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69750 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Ohh, I see!!
Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
egging me on, so I will reply:
Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel "unqualified"
to teach?
Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off
his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
(Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI fuel
pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
strap!
What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his dad
does all that because it never breaks....
HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Mish,
The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense of
> humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with you.
His
> work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
shot
> towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
> azredrocker wrote:
>
> > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> >
> > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > :~)
> >
> > neal
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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69751 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:46pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Hehehe!
And I hear he's building a KIA to tackle the trails!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Jake Wagner
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Yup...he's a keeper....
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Wagner
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69752 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: [FS] tan tj plastic wanted
Price: will pay dearly
Contact: bernie van Benthem 480 585-1688 cell 602 320 -8792
I am changing the color of my jeeps (tj) interior and am looking for any tan plastic (dashboard, glove box, consoul,sun visors etc.)I curently have light grey if anyone may want that or want to swap.
Bernie Van Benthem
69753 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Maaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn Bill! I think you GOTTA teach the class!!! And maybe
somewhere in there we might actually get to welding! ;-)
So.............are you volunteering???!!! ;))
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
69754 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
No way!
My luck I'll get sued when someone booger welds their Jeep together and it
kills somebody.
Besides, learning to weld is not something you can pick up in one or two
classes.
There are those who go to college for it for a whole semester only to find a
Pigeon with the runs can weld better with it's Butt than they can.
No Neal, I'm not referring to you.....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> Maaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn Bill! I think you GOTTA teach the class!!! And
maybe
> somewhere in there we might actually get to welding! ;-)
>
> So.............are you volunteering???!!! ;))
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69755 From: vb2000.az <vb2000.az@n...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: This has not been eating at me
When I was in the Army they were getting rid of the Gamma Goat because it flipped easily. When we got our hummers in 1986, they were much more powerful than any of our other vehicles, except for the deuce and a half. When we went to Korea in 1987 for Team Spirit, we used the hummer to pull up our trucks with communications vans and generator trailers up to the top of the mountain in the snow. I don't know about the commercial hummer, but the military hummer (H.M.M.W.V.) was great!
Valerie Alvarez
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe W
To: 'Ray B.' ; 'James Towle'
Cc: 'AZ_VJC'
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] This has not been eating at me
Except for my 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser&
Could kick a Hummers butt coming and going&.
Now& I was in the Army BEFORE Hummers even existed& anyone here ever heard of a Gamma Goat?
Now theres a REAL soldiers offroad vehicle (after the M151A1, the current Jeep during my tour of duty).
Joe
Arizona Aviator (Real Men Fly Tail Draggers)
There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer.
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69756 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Thats alright Bill, envy will get you know where. BTW I see how it is know. You know that KIA thing on Barry's grill, I didn't rat that out did I. Oh ****! Barry is on the VJC!!! I got some bolt to go tighten Ill see you later ol Buddy.
:~)
>
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Date: 2002/11/05 Tue PM 08:41:22 EST
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>,
> "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> CC: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
>
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
> egging me on, so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel "unqualified"
> to teach?
> Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off
> his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
> guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI fuel
> pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
> strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his dad
> does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense of
> > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
69757 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Sounds like my welding...or so I was once told
Sharky
69758 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:55pm
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it& your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself& consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the drivers side? Heres why& when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the drivers side. Check the measurements and I think youll find that your axle is shifted towards the drivers side.
Second thing& it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run& finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with REs best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered& I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get REs hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and youll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks& and you probably dont need one yet& but you will.
One last thing& make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight& they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69759 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Hehehe!
That's what I like about you Neal, you are soo Sensitive!
Don't forget your nuts.........
Tighten your nuts......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: <gotrox@c...>
To: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>; "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> Thats alright Bill, envy will get you know where. BTW I see how it is
know. You know that KIA thing on Barry's grill, I didn't rat that out did I.
Oh ****! Barry is on the VJC!!! I got some bolt to go tighten Ill see you
later ol Buddy.
>
> :~)
> >
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > Date: 2002/11/05 Tue PM 08:41:22 EST
> > To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>,
> > "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> > CC: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> >
> > Ohh, I see!!
> > Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> > Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> > Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
> > egging me on, so I will reply:
> >
> > Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
"unqualified"
> > to teach?
> > Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> > Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall
off
> > his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the
only
> > guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is
"Optional"(Jamboree)
> > Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> > (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI
fuel
> > pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
> > strap!
> >
> > What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his
dad
> > does all that because it never breaks....
> > HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Bill Mish,
> > The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> > To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> > Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> >
> >
> > > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> > > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense
of
> > > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with
you.
> > His
> > > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
> > shot
> > > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > > --
> > > ----------------------------
> > > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> > >
> > > azredrocker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > > >
> > > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > > :~)
> > > >
> > > > neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69760 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:09pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69761 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
That sounds just like Scott Kruize! Scott is a pretty good spotter but his walking backwards while spotting routine needs some work! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Peck [mailto:rlpii@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:10 PM
To: Jake Wagner
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69762 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: [FS] Four 33x12.50 M/T
Price: $100.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
Four 33x12.50 Trail Buster M/T tires, tread is about 20% in the center and more on the outer tread. Good tires for someone who wants a cheap set till they can afford better.
Rio Harbour
69763 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:46pm
Subject: [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
Price: $75.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
This is Tuffy's overhead console that mounts between the rollbar and the windshield. It has two lockable compartments for a radio or CB or whatever else. Go to Joe's kill switch clinic so they can't steal your Jeep and lock your CB up tight with this so they can't steal it.
Rio Harbour
69764 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Lift and 4-wheelers/Rick Bier
W00t!
Well finally, 1 month after I got the new (to me) TJ, it has the RE LA lift on.
Big thanks to Barry and Dave down @ 4-wheelers, they rock! but you all knew that ;)
Big thanks to Rick for hooking me up with the tires and wheels.
It rides so nice, like it was stock, now I just need to save my pennies for those new gears ;)
Pics are poor cuz it was dark by the time I got it home:
http://www.madbask.com/gallery/New-Jeep
I have the RE sway bar discos leftover (went with a currie AR), brand new if anyone is interested in them,
6-pack of hops and barley and they are yours ;)
-Mike
00 TJ
69765 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: [FS] Car Dolly
Price: $250.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
Car Dolly with Ramps, hand winch, and Hydroulic brakes.
Rio Harbour
69766 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Anthony
Hey Anthony could you give me a call when you get a minute...I have a
question RE: a drive line and was told to talk to you :)
Sharky
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69767 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
A 20 minute lesson from Bill M a couple years ago and I'm dangerous! So
far none of my welds have failed. I welded up my rear axle brackets and
fabricated the 4 link rear recently with a 220V wirefeed.
I second the recommendation that Bill give a lesson. Of course only if
he is willing....
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:41 PM
To: azredrocker; Jay Eller
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Ohh, I see!!
Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy! Wassa
matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool? Jay, you are
forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and egging me on,
so I will reply:
Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
"unqualified" to teach? Ok, I'll spare you and inform them. Neal forgets
minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off his rig
like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only guy I
know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
(Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI
fuel pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
Booper's tow strap!
What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his
dad does all that because it never breaks....
HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Mish,
The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense
> of humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with
> you.
His
> work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
shot
> towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
> azredrocker wrote:
>
> > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> >
> > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > :~)
> >
> > neal
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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69768 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Joe,
That was my old RE standard duty trackbar. It's seen alot of abuse prior to the installation on Jakes Jeep. Like Joe, I run an RE Extreme Duty front trackbar.
Jake - it may be fatigued.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:55 PM
To: 'Jake Wagner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it& your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself& consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the drivers side? Heres why& when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the drivers side. Check the measurements and I think youll find that your axle is shifted towards the drivers side.
Second thing& it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run& finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with REs best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered& I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get REs hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and youll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks& and you probably dont need one yet& but you will.
One last thing& make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight& they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69769 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:56pm
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
I've got a system with the wife figured out. She drives while I'm spotting. When I turn around and concentrate on walking she stops. Then I turn around (or pick myself up) and she continues to move forward.
It seems to cut down on 50% of my stumbles, LOL.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:17 PM
To: 'Robert Peck'; 'Jake Wagner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
That sounds just like Scott Kruize! Scott is a pretty good spotter but his walking backwards while spotting routine needs some work! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Peck [mailto:rlpii@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:10 PM
To: Jake Wagner
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69770 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
I'd be interested in going to that class!! I've never met Bill M
before but I have seen what Scott can do!
thanks again for the motor mount lift
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> A 20 minute lesson from Bill M a couple years ago and I'm
dangerous! So
> far none of my welds have failed. I welded up my rear axle
brackets and
> fabricated the 4 link rear recently with a 220V wirefeed.
>
> I second the recommendation that Bill give a lesson. Of course
only if
> he is willing....
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:41 PM
> To: azredrocker; Jay Eller
> Cc: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy! Wassa
> matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool? Jay, you
are
> forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and egging
me on,
> so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
> "unqualified" to teach? Ok, I'll spare you and inform them. Neal
forgets
> minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off his
rig
> like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
guy I
> know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box
is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring
bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the
high PSI
> fuel pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
> Booper's tow strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I
think his
> dad does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS
excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good
sense
>
> > of humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely
agree with
>
> > you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that
seem as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His
selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
>
>
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69771 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: [TR] Highway to Hell - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
Chris Jean is leading a Highway to Hell trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: 10:00am
Where: FJ Texaco
Rating: 4.5+
Length:
CB Channel:
Now that its nice and cool i would like to run this trail. Would like to see some people out that arent afraid to run a trail like this
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
69772 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Ok, here are my two cents worth, my insurance company would cover it, I am sure most will you were at fault. Now if you would have run if off a cliff, that might be another story but thank heaven we dont have to or would ever have to cross that bridge. Your g/f's insurance should have to pay for it as she was the "driver" at the time. As for the cost, I think that is total BS, you could buy a new door for that. As to the comment you could have the whole think painted, yeah, maybe at Earl Sheib's or MAACO but a quality paint job would run over $2000 alone, I can attest to that. Sounds like the other damage might be included in that figure. If you turn it over to your or your g/f insurance company, they will have their own adjuster look at it. If the other driver has given you the choice to have it repaired at a reputable shop that you pick, then at least get a 2nd estimate and make sure you are there when the estimate is done so you can see what they are talking about. I had a BAD dent fixed on one of my doors and body work, paint and labor from one of the higher priced but quality shops in my area only charged me $380. Now the flare you can get at most 4x4 shops and installed for I would think less than $75. Most of the bone yards I know of want to sell the entire set of flares, not just one. I wish you the best of luck but in any case another member said it right when he stated "you need to do the right thing" and the right thing is to take care of one of your fellow wheelers.
Mike
69773 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
IMHO the parts price seems high but the labor price seems about
right. Have you looked at the invoice to make sure the it's an
actual estimate??? For paint and body work I'm sure it can add up
real fast. Here's a question, will the insurance company cover a
claim like this without having a police officer report?? Maybe for
insurance reasons it might be better to pay out on this rather than
report it....
just a thought
69774 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 0:56am
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
Aaron Nelson is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: Saturday November 9th
Where: Meet at Bartlett paystation 7 P.M.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3
CB Channel: 22
Bartlett night run from Bartlett to Indian Bend Wash. Run expected to last till approx. 11 P.M. pot luck dinner. Planned dinner stop at river, BBQ,Please bring side dishes this will not work unless everyone participates. Please be smart, if you can't stand late nights DON'T GO! we don't want anyone falling asleep on the way home.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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69750 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Ohh, I see!!
Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
egging me on, so I will reply:
Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel "unqualified"
to teach?
Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off
his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
(Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI fuel
pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
strap!
What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his dad
does all that because it never breaks....
HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Mish,
The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense of
> humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with you.
His
> work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
shot
> towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
> azredrocker wrote:
>
> > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> >
> > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > :~)
> >
> > neal
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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69751 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:46pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Hehehe!
And I hear he's building a KIA to tackle the trails!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: DougB
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Jake Wagner
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Yup...he's a keeper....
----- Original Message -----
From: Jake Wagner
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69752 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: [FS] tan tj plastic wanted
Price: will pay dearly
Contact: bernie van Benthem 480 585-1688 cell 602 320 -8792
I am changing the color of my jeeps (tj) interior and am looking for any tan plastic (dashboard, glove box, consoul,sun visors etc.)I curently have light grey if anyone may want that or want to swap.
Bernie Van Benthem
69753 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Maaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn Bill! I think you GOTTA teach the class!!! And maybe
somewhere in there we might actually get to welding! ;-)
So.............are you volunteering???!!! ;))
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
69754 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
No way!
My luck I'll get sued when someone booger welds their Jeep together and it
kills somebody.
Besides, learning to weld is not something you can pick up in one or two
classes.
There are those who go to college for it for a whole semester only to find a
Pigeon with the runs can weld better with it's Butt than they can.
No Neal, I'm not referring to you.....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> Maaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnn Bill! I think you GOTTA teach the class!!! And
maybe
> somewhere in there we might actually get to welding! ;-)
>
> So.............are you volunteering???!!! ;))
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69755 From: vb2000.az <vb2000.az@n...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: This has not been eating at me
When I was in the Army they were getting rid of the Gamma Goat because it flipped easily. When we got our hummers in 1986, they were much more powerful than any of our other vehicles, except for the deuce and a half. When we went to Korea in 1987 for Team Spirit, we used the hummer to pull up our trucks with communications vans and generator trailers up to the top of the mountain in the snow. I don't know about the commercial hummer, but the military hummer (H.M.M.W.V.) was great!
Valerie Alvarez
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe W
To: 'Ray B.' ; 'James Towle'
Cc: 'AZ_VJC'
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:32 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] This has not been eating at me
Except for my 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser&
Could kick a Hummers butt coming and going&.
Now& I was in the Army BEFORE Hummers even existed& anyone here ever heard of a Gamma Goat?
Now theres a REAL soldiers offroad vehicle (after the M151A1, the current Jeep during my tour of duty).
Joe
Arizona Aviator (Real Men Fly Tail Draggers)
There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer.
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69756 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Thats alright Bill, envy will get you know where. BTW I see how it is know. You know that KIA thing on Barry's grill, I didn't rat that out did I. Oh ****! Barry is on the VJC!!! I got some bolt to go tighten Ill see you later ol Buddy.
:~)
>
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Date: 2002/11/05 Tue PM 08:41:22 EST
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>,
> "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> CC: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
>
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
> egging me on, so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel "unqualified"
> to teach?
> Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off
> his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
> guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI fuel
> pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
> strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his dad
> does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense of
> > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
>
69757 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 1:47pm
Subject: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Sounds like my welding...or so I was once told
Sharky
69758 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 6:55pm
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it& your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself& consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the drivers side? Heres why& when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the drivers side. Check the measurements and I think youll find that your axle is shifted towards the drivers side.
Second thing& it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run& finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with REs best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered& I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get REs hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and youll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks& and you probably dont need one yet& but you will.
One last thing& make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight& they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69759 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Hehehe!
That's what I like about you Neal, you are soo Sensitive!
Don't forget your nuts.........
Tighten your nuts......
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: <gotrox@c...>
To: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>; "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> Thats alright Bill, envy will get you know where. BTW I see how it is
know. You know that KIA thing on Barry's grill, I didn't rat that out did I.
Oh ****! Barry is on the VJC!!! I got some bolt to go tighten Ill see you
later ol Buddy.
>
> :~)
> >
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > Date: 2002/11/05 Tue PM 08:41:22 EST
> > To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>,
> > "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> > CC: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> >
> > Ohh, I see!!
> > Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy!
> > Wassa matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool?
> > Jay, you are forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and
> > egging me on, so I will reply:
> >
> > Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
"unqualified"
> > to teach?
> > Ok, I'll spare you and inform them.
> > Neal forgets minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall
off
> > his rig like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the
only
> > guy I know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is
"Optional"(Jamboree)
> > Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
> > (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI
fuel
> > pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of Booper's tow
> > strap!
> >
> > What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his
dad
> > does all that because it never breaks....
> > HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Bill Mish,
> > The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> > To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> > Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> >
> >
> > > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> > > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense
of
> > > humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with
you.
> > His
> > > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
> > shot
> > > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > > --
> > > ----------------------------
> > > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> > >
> > > azredrocker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > > >
> > > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > > :~)
> > > >
> > > > neal
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69760 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:09pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69761 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
That sounds just like Scott Kruize! Scott is a pretty good spotter but his walking backwards while spotting routine needs some work! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Peck [mailto:rlpii@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:10 PM
To: Jake Wagner
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69762 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: [FS] Four 33x12.50 M/T
Price: $100.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
Four 33x12.50 Trail Buster M/T tires, tread is about 20% in the center and more on the outer tread. Good tires for someone who wants a cheap set till they can afford better.
Rio Harbour
69763 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:46pm
Subject: [FS] Tuffy Overhead Console
Price: $75.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
This is Tuffy's overhead console that mounts between the rollbar and the windshield. It has two lockable compartments for a radio or CB or whatever else. Go to Joe's kill switch clinic so they can't steal your Jeep and lock your CB up tight with this so they can't steal it.
Rio Harbour
69764 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Lift and 4-wheelers/Rick Bier
W00t!
Well finally, 1 month after I got the new (to me) TJ, it has the RE LA lift on.
Big thanks to Barry and Dave down @ 4-wheelers, they rock! but you all knew that ;)
Big thanks to Rick for hooking me up with the tires and wheels.
It rides so nice, like it was stock, now I just need to save my pennies for those new gears ;)
Pics are poor cuz it was dark by the time I got it home:
http://www.madbask.com/gallery/New-Jeep
I have the RE sway bar discos leftover (went with a currie AR), brand new if anyone is interested in them,
6-pack of hops and barley and they are yours ;)
-Mike
00 TJ
69765 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:07pm
Subject: [FS] Car Dolly
Price: $250.00
Contact: Rio 623 815-2691
Car Dolly with Ramps, hand winch, and Hydroulic brakes.
Rio Harbour
69766 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 3:21pm
Subject: Anthony
Hey Anthony could you give me a call when you get a minute...I have a
question RE: a drive line and was told to talk to you :)
Sharky
623-869-6030 or 602-708-8544
69767 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
A 20 minute lesson from Bill M a couple years ago and I'm dangerous! So
far none of my welds have failed. I welded up my rear axle brackets and
fabricated the 4 link rear recently with a 220V wirefeed.
I second the recommendation that Bill give a lesson. Of course only if
he is willing....
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:41 PM
To: azredrocker; Jay Eller
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
Ohh, I see!!
Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy! Wassa
matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool? Jay, you are
forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and egging me on,
so I will reply:
Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
"unqualified" to teach? Ok, I'll spare you and inform them. Neal forgets
minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off his rig
like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only guy I
know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box is "Optional"(Jamboree)
Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring bolt
(Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the high PSI
fuel pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
Booper's tow strap!
What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I think his
dad does all that because it never breaks....
HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bill Mish,
The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
> No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS excellent! I
> happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good sense
> of humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely agree with
> you.
His
> work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that seem as a
shot
> towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
>
> azredrocker wrote:
>
> > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His selfless
> > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> >
> > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > :~)
> >
> > neal
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
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69768 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
Joe,
That was my old RE standard duty trackbar. It's seen alot of abuse prior to the installation on Jakes Jeep. Like Joe, I run an RE Extreme Duty front trackbar.
Jake - it may be fatigued.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 7:55 PM
To: 'Jake Wagner'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Your Trackbar *IS* bending... was RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Even though you cannot see it& your trackbar *is* bending. If you want to prove it to yourself& consider which way your axle is shifted. Notice how it is ALWAYS shifted towards the drivers side? Heres why& when your trackbar bends if effectively becomes shorter. When your trackbar becomes shorter it pulls the axle towards the frame on the drivers side. Check the measurements and I think youll find that your axle is shifted towards the drivers side.
Second thing& it is not a TJ thing for this to happen. It does however, happen on TJs who have their front track bars beginning to pretzel. There was a time when I ALWAYS had the same thing happen after a difficult run& finally, my front trackbar bent enough where it was obvious and I replaced it with REs best extreme duty, excessive duty, hyper-sparc duty (or whatever stupid name they are calling their latest product). Now? Even after I ran axle alley the steering is centered& I have yet to have the problem since upgrading my front track bar.
When you get tired of adjusting your drag link to re-center your steering wheel, go out and get REs hyper-extra-special-duty front track bar and youll likely not have to re-center your steering wheel nearly so often. Barry is being nice by trying to save you some bucks& and you probably dont need one yet& but you will.
One last thing& make sure that you keep your frame-side front track bar mount tight& they seem to have a way of working loose on a regular basis.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69769 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 8:56pm
Subject: RE: 4 Wheeler's Supply
I've got a system with the wife figured out. She drives while I'm spotting. When I turn around and concentrate on walking she stops. Then I turn around (or pick myself up) and she continues to move forward.
It seems to cut down on 50% of my stumbles, LOL.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:17 PM
To: 'Robert Peck'; 'Jake Wagner'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
That sounds just like Scott Kruize! Scott is a pretty good spotter but his walking backwards while spotting routine needs some work! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Peck [mailto:rlpii@qwest.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 8:10 PM
To: Jake Wagner
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 4 Wheeler's Supply
Jake,
Thanks for the kind words about your spotters. But is was more challenging spotting Jason, while he spotted you.
"Jason, watch out for that big rock behind you . . . . . . . oh never mind, just pick yourself up and hope that Jake didn't hit anything too hard while you were on the ground" hehehe
Still waiting for Jason's Trip ("trip") Report on Turkey Creek.
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Jake Wagner wrote:
A big thanks to Barry!
Everytime I seem to be hard on my TJ on the rocks lately I seem to experience my steering wheel being off when I get back on the road after being aired up. In the spring I bent my front adjustable track bar and Chris Krieg helped me get everything dialed back in. We couldn't see where I had bent it, but after measuring we had determined the axle had shifted.
This past weekend I ran in the rock garden (optional) on Turkey Creek and it was probably the most challenging stuff I've done in my TJ. I ran it with open diffs, got through it just fine with some excellent spotting from Jason LaLiberty and Bob Peck. After airing up in Black Canyon I cranked along on the freeway and noticed that the wheel was off again (steering wheel).
My neighbor helped me measure my Toe, was OK. I measured to see if my front axle was centered, was all ok. Tie Rod, Track bar and Drag link all looked out. I checked all bolts, etc were tight.
I called Barry Monday morning and asked if I should purchase a new track bar thinking perhaps I may have bent it again. Barry said to stop by and we'll take a look at it. He not only took a look at it, but went to the trouble of going back into the warehouse to pull out a brand new track bar and we put it up against the existing one I have on my Jeep and all the bends look the same. He said that it's a CJ/YJ/TJ thing for the steering wheel to be off after being hard on the rocks.
Thought I'd pass this info on. Thanks again Barry! It's great to have an honest person to deal with and not have to worry about someone selling you parts you don't need.
Jake
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69770 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding 101
I'd be interested in going to that class!! I've never met Bill M
before but I have seen what Scott can do!
thanks again for the motor mount lift
Chris
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> A 20 minute lesson from Bill M a couple years ago and I'm
dangerous! So
> far none of my welds have failed. I welded up my rear axle
brackets and
> fabricated the 4 link rear recently with a 220V wirefeed.
>
> I second the recommendation that Bill give a lesson. Of course
only if
> he is willing....
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Mish [mailto:yldkat55@h...]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 6:41 PM
> To: azredrocker; Jay Eller
> Cc: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> Ohh, I see!!
> Gang up on the poor defenseless Tequila drinkin' drunk guy! Wassa
> matter, can't pick on some poor unsuspecting sober fool? Jay, you
are
> forgiven. Neal on the other hand, was being facetious, and egging
me on,
> so I will reply:
>
> Neal, perhaps you'd like to explain to the group why you feel
> "unqualified" to teach? Ok, I'll spare you and inform them. Neal
forgets
> minor details like tightening nuts and bolts, so they fall off his
rig
> like limbs off a leper on a stagecoach ride. Shoot, he's the only
guy I
> know who thinks the 4th bolt in a Saginaw box
is "Optional"(Jamboree)
> Ohh, yeah, and his stuff breaks running the Spook Rally. Spring
bolt
> (Probably Grade 2). Let's not forget the drill shavings in the
high PSI
> fuel pump that bought him a free ride back to camp at the end of
> Booper's tow strap!
>
> What's this got to do with his welding? Nothing. Personally, I
think his
> dad does all that because it never breaks....
> HEHEHEHEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Bill Mish,
> The Undisputed KING of Booty Fab!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jay Eller" <jay@t...>
> To: "azredrocker" <gotrox@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 3:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tech Workshop Suggestion: Newbee Welding
101
>
>
> > No..........I totally agree with you!!! Bill's work IS
excellent! I
> > happened to think of him right at the end. And knowing his good
sense
>
> > of humor I thought I would poke some fun. But I completely
agree with
>
> > you.
> His
> > work and rig are EXCELLENT!!! I did not intend to make that
seem as a
> shot
> > towards Bill. And I doubt Bill took it that way.
> > --
> > ----------------------------
> > Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> > http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
> >
> > azredrocker wrote:
> >
> > > Jay, Bill Mish is an artist, just look at his rig. His
selfless
> > > intent to share his vision of what a crawler should look like
> > > shouldn't be taken lightly.
> > >
> > > Here, Here Bill, my hat off to ya!!
> > > Just stay away from my bootyfab stuff, I don't need any help!
> > > :~)
> > >
> > > neal
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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69771 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: [TR] Highway to Hell - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
Chris Jean is leading a Highway to Hell trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: 10:00am
Where: FJ Texaco
Rating: 4.5+
Length:
CB Channel:
Now that its nice and cool i would like to run this trail. Would like to see some people out that arent afraid to run a trail like this
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
69772 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: RE: Off-road accident & body work cost
Ok, here are my two cents worth, my insurance company would cover it, I am sure most will you were at fault. Now if you would have run if off a cliff, that might be another story but thank heaven we dont have to or would ever have to cross that bridge. Your g/f's insurance should have to pay for it as she was the "driver" at the time. As for the cost, I think that is total BS, you could buy a new door for that. As to the comment you could have the whole think painted, yeah, maybe at Earl Sheib's or MAACO but a quality paint job would run over $2000 alone, I can attest to that. Sounds like the other damage might be included in that figure. If you turn it over to your or your g/f insurance company, they will have their own adjuster look at it. If the other driver has given you the choice to have it repaired at a reputable shop that you pick, then at least get a 2nd estimate and make sure you are there when the estimate is done so you can see what they are talking about. I had a BAD dent fixed on one of my doors and body work, paint and labor from one of the higher priced but quality shops in my area only charged me $380. Now the flare you can get at most 4x4 shops and installed for I would think less than $75. Most of the bone yards I know of want to sell the entire set of flares, not just one. I wish you the best of luck but in any case another member said it right when he stated "you need to do the right thing" and the right thing is to take care of one of your fellow wheelers.
Mike
69773 From: chrisboettge <cheesit@c...>
Date: Tue Nov 5, 2002 9:58pm
Subject: Re: Off-road accident & body work cost
IMHO the parts price seems high but the labor price seems about
right. Have you looked at the invoice to make sure the it's an
actual estimate??? For paint and body work I'm sure it can add up
real fast. Here's a question, will the insurance company cover a
claim like this without having a police officer report?? Maybe for
insurance reasons it might be better to pay out on this rather than
report it....
just a thought
69774 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Nov 6, 2002 0:56am
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
Aaron Nelson is leading a FR-42 trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: Saturday November 9th
Where: Meet at Bartlett paystation 7 P.M.
Rating: 3.0+
Length: 3
CB Channel: 22
Bartlett night run from Bartlett to Indian Bend Wash. Run expected to last till approx. 11 P.M. pot luck dinner. Planned dinner stop at river, BBQ,Please bring side dishes this will not work unless everyone participates. Please be smart, if you can't stand late nights DON'T GO! we don't want anyone falling asleep on the way home.
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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