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69625 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:10pm
Subject: [FS] Wrangler Windshield frame
Price: 40.00 / obo
Contact: Ray
Used Wrangler W/S frame. No glass or rubber. Has wiper motor and wipers but pigtail has been removed from the wiring harness. 480-236-0022 or e mail me
Ray Panuccio
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69626 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
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69627 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:23pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
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69628 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cleaning up after a trail ride !?!?!#@$!#
I just leave the top off and let the rain clean everything off, if it doesn't rain I assume it doesnt need to be cleaned.
Scott R
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69629 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:51pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Stu,
Yep, the AW4 was the very first all computer controlled transmission.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:23 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
-----------------------
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69630 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Re: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Listen to this smart *** :) Thanks.. Ill check on it and get back to yall.
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
-----------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: 'Stu Olson' ; 'Nick Gasmena' ; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Stu,
Yep, the AW4 was the very first all computer controlled transmission.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:23 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
~~~~ Have an EXCEL-ent Day!! ~~~~
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
Http://www.excelir.com/greatrates - Your gateway to Financial Freedom!
Home Office: 602-595-7734 Cell: 602-400-8896
-----------------------
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69631 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
69632 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
Yea...the plan is to fill the tires with Helium, to make it more agile on the rocks.
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69633 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Problems changing Ball Joint.
Ok After last weekends Fiasco I decide to change the other ball
joints before they call it quits. Therein lies my problem, they were
pretty easy to change when they came apart on their own, but now I am
trying to take the bottom nut off and it just spins with the stud and
I cant see anywhere to hold it to keep it from spinning, Ive tried
some heat and PB blaster to no avail so Im up for any suggestions.
Thanks!!
Scott Maiden
69634 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
wheres the chain steering wheel to match the rims?
DougB wrote:
Yea...the plan is to fill the tires with Helium, to make it more agile on the rocks.
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69635 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:36pm
Subject: RE: Jeep Liberty Willy's
I like MY Willys Edition MUCH better:
http://members.cox.net/arizonajeep/
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69636 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:46am
Subject: re: Random thoughts on Joe's new stickers (KJ slam)
Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a sudden. I got so frustrated with mine I went back to drums (the 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
Mike
Original Message:
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
From: Damon Gentile
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
-d
69637 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: RE: If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you don't really love it.
Randy,
That's why we kill the fuel pump and not the starter... they can jump the
starter all they want and they ain't goin no where when the fuel pump is
dead.
<grin>
Of course... on the older vehicles with mechanical fuel pumps you can kill
the starter OR kill the power to the coil... either of these, combined with
a hood lock will keep the bad guy from running off with your rig.
On CJ/YJ/TJ and pre CJ vehicles, I recommend the hood lock variety kill
switch; a bit longer to install but it keeps everything under your hood
where it should be.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:25 AM
To: 'Bill - Jeeps Only'; Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you
don't really love it.
I use to use kill switches a long time ago. Now I use a parameter sensor
that sets off my alarm and cuts out the ignition. I have it set up so that
it not only interrupts the power to the starter solenoid but it also cuts
out the power to the coil. I did this incase the would be thief tries to
short across the started solenoid. If you have a kill switch and no alarm
the would be thief has time to search for a way to start you jeep. They most
likely will not stick around if your alarm is blazing away and there is no
quick way of starting your jeep.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill - Jeeps Only [mailto:bill@j...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you
don't really love it.
Hey everyone, I went to the last clinic and I'll tell you it was easy, Joe
and the other guys there are a HUGE help and I'm SOOO happy with my switch.
It's easy to activate and well hidden (I did the non-hood lock one).
Thanks again Joe and I'm going to sign up as a "tentative" and try to drop
by to help out now that I kind of know what I'm doing ;-).
---------------
Bill Hooven
Jeeps Only
http://www.jeepsonly.com
A Yahoo-style directory of Jeep links
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you don't
really love it.
> <grin>
>
> Just a quick note to remind people that on January 11th I'll be hosting
> another kill switch clinic at my home. I'd like to remind everyone that
> installing a kill switch is really very simple, and it significantly
> decreases the odds that your jeep will be stolen; and if you don't think
> your Jeep will be stolen, think back on all the posts from club members
who
> had their rigs stolen.
>
> The install is easy and absolutely ANYONE can do it. Don't think you are
> not technical enough or that it will be hard... you are and it isn't.
>
> The workshop is posted on http://www.azvjc.org under the trips section.
The
> workshop date is currently January 11th, but could vary by a week +-
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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69638 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:55am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a sudden. I got so frustrated with mine I went back to drums (the 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
Mike
Original Message:
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
From: Damon Gentile
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
-d
69639 From: Ray B. <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:12pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other' vehicles...it's not very productive.
My .02
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69640 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: RE: This has not been eating at me
Except for my 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser&
Could kick a Hummers butt coming and going&.
Now& I was in the Army BEFORE Hummers even existed& anyone here ever heard of a Gamma Goat?
Now theres a REAL soldiers offroad vehicle (after the M151A1, the current Jeep during my tour of duty).
Joe
Arizona Aviator (Real Men Fly Tail Draggers)
There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer.
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69641 From: flatfenderman2000 <cnd4ever@g...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:40pm
Subject: Re: Archeologists On Lower Woodpecker
I have to wonder how all the petroglyphs in the area have managed to
survive for the last 800 yeas with out the intervention of groups
like those encountered on LWP. Oh my GOD, what if it rains and that
canyon turns into a raging river? All the evidence against you nasty
poluting rock crawlers will be washed away!
I'll I can say is pray for rain folks, but it may already be too late.
Chris L.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "BradP Kilgore" <brad.kilgore@p...> wrote:
> Actually the Archeologists were of the senior variety as opposed to
> students and a little hypocritical. They were pleasant for the most
> part, but one moment were telling us were should not drive on the
rocks
> and the next second were gathered around, running across the rocks
and
> vegetation to take pictures of the jeeps climbing. Everybody should
> clean up after themselves, but we shouldn't all be punished for the
> failings of a few. Unfortunately, there will always be those who
don't
> care, and have no concern for anyone but themselves. All we can do
is
> set the best example we can, do things the right way, pickup up
after
> ourselves and always tread lightly. Hopefully, someday these groups
> will come to realize we are not the enemy.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sedonacowgirl [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:28 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Archeologists On Lower Woodpecker
>
>
> Howdy! Nothing like being falsely accused to ruin an otherwise
> lovely day, huh? Probably once, that archeologist saw one Jeeper
do
> something dumb, if they ever saw anything at all. Just like
> everything else, sometimes it is just one idiot in a group who
ruins
> it for everyone.
>
> What aggravates me is what you saw: they were tramping all over
the
> rocks and vegetation, but looking down their noses at you. I am
> willing to bet that those were student archeologists, full of self-
> righteousness. It sounds like they were the uninformed hypocrits.
> Next time ask them if they know what microbiotic crust is, or the
> TREAD Lightly rules...
>
> I guess this fires me up because I had my own unpleasant encounter
> this weekend, the first of its kind that I have ever had. I was
> doing a Broken Arrow tour. I had just gotten to the trailhead,
when
> a group of mountain bikers came flying by us. One of the women
> shouted right into the Jeep as she flew by: "polluters!" I was
> stunned, and uncharacteristically speechless.
>
> First, I have never had any unpleasant brushes with the public
while
> in a yellow Jeep (Pink Jeeps, yes, but not regular people).
Second,
> my retrofitted 2002 Sahara produces less emissions that her
digestive
> system. Third, I doubt that she arrived in Sedona in a solar
powered
> car, or that her high-tech bike and clothing was produced in an
> emission-free factory. In fact, she probably drove a volkswagon
that
> smokes.
>
> In reflection, she probably just had an unpleasant interlude with a
> Pink Jeep on the trail, and I was there to receive HER
frustration.
>
> My point is, people seem very quick to judge and jump to
> conclusions. Everyone is very touchy about public land these days,
> and rightfully so...archeologists, bikers, and Jeepers, alike, are
> all worried about losing access to their beloved trails and lands.
>
> The challenge I want to put to the group is: How can we bring
mutual
> understanding to all of these different groups that we all want the
> same thing: to protect and enjoy our public lands. We all are so
> busy fighting each other that we lose sight of the fact that it is
> the policies of the Forest Service and BLM that we should be
worried
> about. I can't count how many Jeep trails have been shut down by
the
> Sedona Ranger District in the last two years. Meanwhile, they are
> building another golf course...
>
> I know that this is a little heavy for Monday morning, but...
>
> Happy trails!
>
> Nena
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <crawlintj@y...> wrote:
> > Halfway through Lower Woodpecker (at the first major crack) today
> > there are about a dozen people with clipboards climbing around
the
> > canyon walls, doing mappings of the paintings on the rocks.
> Needless
> > to say I got a bit of lip from them about us "driving on the
> > paintings" and them wanting to get them mapped before the area is
> > closed because of four wheelers.
> >
> > The fact that there was quite a bit of oil on the rocks (for
quite
> a
> > few yards) from someone that "lost their oil pan" (according to
one
> > of them) and didn't clean up their mess really didn't help
either.
> I
> > personally picked up some trash off the trail though (although I
> tend
> > to do that anyways).
> >
> > I tried to explain that a majority of us are responsible
wheelers,
> do
> > not destroy vegetation, and are not out to ruin the land.
Somehow
> I
> > got the impression that they think our jeep bodies are stronger
> than
> > the rocks we rub against, and are destroying them.
> >
> > I'm not saying either party was right, we both have the legal
right
> > to be where we were, it's just that they hiked up to where they
> > where, and witnessed what could be perceived as us "damaging" the
> > land, in their eyes.
> >
> > Now I didn't start an argument, but the truth is they were
actually
> > climbing and walking around on the rocks and walls, actually
where
> > there was existing vegetation....
> >
> > However, I am thankful that they weren't out there on the Friday
> > night of the Jamboree to witness all the drunken idiots throwing
> > their beer cans all around.
> >
> > I've only been wheeling those trails regularly for a year or so
> now,
> > and have never seen them out there before.
> >
> > Dan
>
>
>
>
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69642 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
I don't think a Hummer would even fit through Box Canyon...........would it?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B.
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] This has been eating at me
I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other' vehicles...it's not very productive.
My .02
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69643 From: jcsxj <dffataz@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: Any pics ?
Does any one have pics they plan on posting
of FR42 from 11/3/02 ?
69644 From: Mike Elrod <odashee1@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
WELL SAID RAY...........Let's just worry about our rigs. Who cares what the
other guy drives?
Mike Elrod
'97 TJ
>I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to
>make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a
>Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was
>in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I
>felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs
>VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the
>out-of-the-box _ALL AROUND_ capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont
>fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen
>anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the
>Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
>
>Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other'
>vehicles...it's not very productive.
>
>My .02
>
>Ray
>AZAV8ER
>
>
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69645 From: Chris benner <jeeperinaz@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Any pics ?
Actually I posted 48 pictures on my site. I should have a couple videos up
sometime this week..
www.thejeepfiles.com
Click on trips..
----- Original Message -----
From: "jcsxj" <dffataz@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Any pics ?
> Does any one have pics they plan on posting
> of FR42 from 11/3/02 ?
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
69646 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Onboard air
I need to get set up with some on board air, and I have checked
out Kilby's site. My question is kind of vague, but has anyone
bought stuff from Kilby and gotten everything they needed from him,
or should I buy just the mounting bracket, compressor and pulley from
him and get all of my fittings and tank, pressure switch, guage, etc.
from a local shop? It seems like a bracket for $20 and a compressor
(new) for $190, and pulley/clutch for $110 makes the rest of the set-
up get kind of spendy by the time it's all added up. It's time to
get rigged up with air, but how should I do it in my '98 2.5L TJ?
Thanks for any help or advice.
Lachlan
69647 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:47pm
Subject: RE: Onboard air
Lachlan,
I purchased the bracket and pulley setup from Brad (Kilby) and put the rest
of the stuff together myself locally. You can find new Compressors less
expensive than Brad sells them for here locally and you won't have the
shipping charges (but you will have to pay tax). I would absolutely not
recommend that you purchase the tanks, fittings, pressure switches through
Brad because they are very simple to put together from Home Depot (except
for the pressure switch, and I don't like the one Brad sells.
Go for the mounting kit and leave the rest behind. If you are interested
where I purchased the compressor and clutch assembly, let me know and I'll
look it up.
BTW... Brad is a GREAT standup kind of guy and I'd highly recommend his
products; especially the onboard air and gas tank skid.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Onboard air
I need to get set up with some on board air, and I have checked
out Kilby's site. My question is kind of vague, but has anyone
bought stuff from Kilby and gotten everything they needed from him,
or should I buy just the mounting bracket, compressor and pulley from
him and get all of my fittings and tank, pressure switch, guage, etc.
from a local shop? It seems like a bracket for $20 and a compressor
(new) for $190, and pulley/clutch for $110 makes the rest of the set-
up get kind of spendy by the time it's all added up. It's time to
get rigged up with air, but how should I do it in my '98 2.5L TJ?
Thanks for any help or advice.
Lachlan
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69648 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
whitewalls are for lowriders
69649 From: oveson2 <oveson_l@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:54pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wrangler 1/2 Doors
YJ or TJ ??
LO
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
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69625 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:10pm
Subject: [FS] Wrangler Windshield frame
Price: 40.00 / obo
Contact: Ray
Used Wrangler W/S frame. No glass or rubber. Has wiper motor and wipers but pigtail has been removed from the wiring harness. 480-236-0022 or e mail me
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69626 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:17pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
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69627 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:23pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
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69628 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: Cleaning up after a trail ride !?!?!#@$!#
I just leave the top off and let the rain clean everything off, if it doesn't rain I assume it doesnt need to be cleaned.
Scott R
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69629 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:51pm
Subject: RE: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Stu,
Yep, the AW4 was the very first all computer controlled transmission.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:23 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
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69630 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 3:49pm
Subject: Re: 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Listen to this smart *** :) Thanks.. Ill check on it and get back to yall.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: 'Stu Olson' ; 'Nick Gasmena' ; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:51 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Stu,
Yep, the AW4 was the very first all computer controlled transmission.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:23 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Did an 88 XJ even have a tranny computer way back then?
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:17 PM
To: 'Nick Gasmena'; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
Here is a short list of things to check that can be wrong.
1) Check the fuse to the TCM. If the tranny computer doesn't have any power then it can't turn the shift solenoids on or off can it?
2) Make sure the TCM is plugged into the harness.
3) There are two 8 way plugs that run from the top of the transmision and tie into the XJ harness. The black one is the solenoid control wires, the gray one is the TRS wires. If either of these is disconnected or not fully connected it won't shift.
4) There could be a faulty TRS (transmision range sensor)
5) There could be a faulty TCM.
6) The solenoids are dead and not shifting the transmission.
Those are the first 6 things I would check.
It's kind of cool being a TJ owner helping XJ owners with their tranny problems.
If you want any help let me know.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4x4Jeep.Net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 3:56 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 88 XJ Tranny shifting problem
My buddy has an 88 XJ, and the jeep dosnt start in 1st and shift thru to D4... He has to manually shift it through all the gears... Any ideas as to why it would be doing this? TPS? Harness? Shift linkage?
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-----------------------
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69631 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
69632 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
Yea...the plan is to fill the tires with Helium, to make it more agile on the rocks.
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69633 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Problems changing Ball Joint.
Ok After last weekends Fiasco I decide to change the other ball
joints before they call it quits. Therein lies my problem, they were
pretty easy to change when they came apart on their own, but now I am
trying to take the bottom nut off and it just spins with the stud and
I cant see anywhere to hold it to keep it from spinning, Ive tried
some heat and PB blaster to no avail so Im up for any suggestions.
Thanks!!
Scott Maiden
69634 From: Scott Rafferty <like2drivemycj5@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
wheres the chain steering wheel to match the rims?
DougB wrote:
Yea...the plan is to fill the tires with Helium, to make it more agile on the rocks.
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69635 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:36pm
Subject: RE: Jeep Liberty Willy's
I like MY Willys Edition MUCH better:
http://members.cox.net/arizonajeep/
Joe West
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From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 5:01 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Liberty Willy's
Your Son's will be driving these some day-The Future of Jeep
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69636 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:46am
Subject: re: Random thoughts on Joe's new stickers (KJ slam)
Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a sudden. I got so frustrated with mine I went back to drums (the 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
Mike
Original Message:
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
From: Damon Gentile
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
-d
69637 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 4:54pm
Subject: RE: If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you don't really love it.
Randy,
That's why we kill the fuel pump and not the starter... they can jump the
starter all they want and they ain't goin no where when the fuel pump is
dead.
<grin>
Of course... on the older vehicles with mechanical fuel pumps you can kill
the starter OR kill the power to the coil... either of these, combined with
a hood lock will keep the bad guy from running off with your rig.
On CJ/YJ/TJ and pre CJ vehicles, I recommend the hood lock variety kill
switch; a bit longer to install but it keeps everything under your hood
where it should be.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Siade, Randy [mailto:randy.siade@u...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:25 AM
To: 'Bill - Jeeps Only'; Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you
don't really love it.
I use to use kill switches a long time ago. Now I use a parameter sensor
that sets off my alarm and cuts out the ignition. I have it set up so that
it not only interrupts the power to the starter solenoid but it also cuts
out the power to the coil. I did this incase the would be thief tries to
short across the started solenoid. If you have a kill switch and no alarm
the would be thief has time to search for a way to start you jeep. They most
likely will not stick around if your alarm is blazing away and there is no
quick way of starting your jeep.
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill - Jeeps Only [mailto:bill@j...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:21 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you
don't really love it.
Hey everyone, I went to the last clinic and I'll tell you it was easy, Joe
and the other guys there are a HUGE help and I'm SOOO happy with my switch.
It's easy to activate and well hidden (I did the non-hood lock one).
Thanks again Joe and I'm going to sign up as a "tentative" and try to drop
by to help out now that I kind of know what I'm doing ;-).
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From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:43 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] If you don't have a kill switch in your Jeep, you don't
really love it.
> <grin>
>
> Just a quick note to remind people that on January 11th I'll be hosting
> another kill switch clinic at my home. I'd like to remind everyone that
> installing a kill switch is really very simple, and it significantly
> decreases the odds that your jeep will be stolen; and if you don't think
> your Jeep will be stolen, think back on all the posts from club members
who
> had their rigs stolen.
>
> The install is easy and absolutely ANYONE can do it. Don't think you are
> not technical enough or that it will be hard... you are and it isn't.
>
> The workshop is posted on http://www.azvjc.org under the trips section.
The
> workshop date is currently January 11th, but could vary by a week +-
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
>
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69638 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 11:55am
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Did you use the Eldo calipers from the rear of an Eldo with 4 wheel discs? The ones with the parking brake lever that turns a worm gear to actuate the piston for your parking brake? I hope you have better luck than me and a few other guys I know that did the Warn conversion. Those calipers if they are the same ones that we used (Warn gave us a choice, Caddy if you wanted or needed and ebrake and S-10 if you didnt), are trouble. I went thru 3 sets in 3 years. I spoke with several mechanics and two brake shops and they said that the Caddy brakes were a problem in the late 70's early 80's when they were 1st introduced and remain a problem, one of the reasons GM went to a different design. It seems the worm gear gets f'd up and your braking power and efficiency deteriorate rapidly if not all of a sudden. I got so frustrated with mine I went back to drums (the 10' ones from a ZJ) and havent had such good brakes since before I did the Warn conversion to my YJ and I have excellent stopping power with 35's. I guess if me or someone figures out the spacer problem (where to get) and I can figure out what kind of rotor to use with my 5x5.5 bolt pattern and full floater with rear locking hubs, I might go back to disc's again using the ZJ set up.
Mike
Original Message:
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2002 14:33:04 -0500
From: Damon Gentile
Subject: Re: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I did a swap like this last week on an XJ D44 . Pulled the drum
backing plates and placed spacers behind the flange & seal retainer
to keep the seal in the same area. Used TJ discs on the outside
of the flange with Eldo calipers & pads. GM pattern brackets from
Lou Feger's hold the calipers in place. An absolute breeze of a swap.
-d
69639 From: Ray B. <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:12pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other' vehicles...it's not very productive.
My .02
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69640 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:32pm
Subject: RE: This has not been eating at me
Except for my 2002 Toyota Land Cruiser&
Could kick a Hummers butt coming and going&.
Now& I was in the Army BEFORE Hummers even existed& anyone here ever heard of a Gamma Goat?
Now theres a REAL soldiers offroad vehicle (after the M151A1, the current Jeep during my tour of duty).
Joe
Arizona Aviator (Real Men Fly Tail Draggers)
There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer.
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69641 From: flatfenderman2000 <cnd4ever@g...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 5:40pm
Subject: Re: Archeologists On Lower Woodpecker
I have to wonder how all the petroglyphs in the area have managed to
survive for the last 800 yeas with out the intervention of groups
like those encountered on LWP. Oh my GOD, what if it rains and that
canyon turns into a raging river? All the evidence against you nasty
poluting rock crawlers will be washed away!
I'll I can say is pray for rain folks, but it may already be too late.
Chris L.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "BradP Kilgore" <brad.kilgore@p...> wrote:
> Actually the Archeologists were of the senior variety as opposed to
> students and a little hypocritical. They were pleasant for the most
> part, but one moment were telling us were should not drive on the
rocks
> and the next second were gathered around, running across the rocks
and
> vegetation to take pictures of the jeeps climbing. Everybody should
> clean up after themselves, but we shouldn't all be punished for the
> failings of a few. Unfortunately, there will always be those who
don't
> care, and have no concern for anyone but themselves. All we can do
is
> set the best example we can, do things the right way, pickup up
after
> ourselves and always tread lightly. Hopefully, someday these groups
> will come to realize we are not the enemy.
>
> My two cents.
>
> Brad
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sedonacowgirl [mailto:cowgirl@s...]
> Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:28 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Archeologists On Lower Woodpecker
>
>
> Howdy! Nothing like being falsely accused to ruin an otherwise
> lovely day, huh? Probably once, that archeologist saw one Jeeper
do
> something dumb, if they ever saw anything at all. Just like
> everything else, sometimes it is just one idiot in a group who
ruins
> it for everyone.
>
> What aggravates me is what you saw: they were tramping all over
the
> rocks and vegetation, but looking down their noses at you. I am
> willing to bet that those were student archeologists, full of self-
> righteousness. It sounds like they were the uninformed hypocrits.
> Next time ask them if they know what microbiotic crust is, or the
> TREAD Lightly rules...
>
> I guess this fires me up because I had my own unpleasant encounter
> this weekend, the first of its kind that I have ever had. I was
> doing a Broken Arrow tour. I had just gotten to the trailhead,
when
> a group of mountain bikers came flying by us. One of the women
> shouted right into the Jeep as she flew by: "polluters!" I was
> stunned, and uncharacteristically speechless.
>
> First, I have never had any unpleasant brushes with the public
while
> in a yellow Jeep (Pink Jeeps, yes, but not regular people).
Second,
> my retrofitted 2002 Sahara produces less emissions that her
digestive
> system. Third, I doubt that she arrived in Sedona in a solar
powered
> car, or that her high-tech bike and clothing was produced in an
> emission-free factory. In fact, she probably drove a volkswagon
that
> smokes.
>
> In reflection, she probably just had an unpleasant interlude with a
> Pink Jeep on the trail, and I was there to receive HER
frustration.
>
> My point is, people seem very quick to judge and jump to
> conclusions. Everyone is very touchy about public land these days,
> and rightfully so...archeologists, bikers, and Jeepers, alike, are
> all worried about losing access to their beloved trails and lands.
>
> The challenge I want to put to the group is: How can we bring
mutual
> understanding to all of these different groups that we all want the
> same thing: to protect and enjoy our public lands. We all are so
> busy fighting each other that we lose sight of the fact that it is
> the policies of the Forest Service and BLM that we should be
worried
> about. I can't count how many Jeep trails have been shut down by
the
> Sedona Ranger District in the last two years. Meanwhile, they are
> building another golf course...
>
> I know that this is a little heavy for Monday morning, but...
>
> Happy trails!
>
> Nena
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <crawlintj@y...> wrote:
> > Halfway through Lower Woodpecker (at the first major crack) today
> > there are about a dozen people with clipboards climbing around
the
> > canyon walls, doing mappings of the paintings on the rocks.
> Needless
> > to say I got a bit of lip from them about us "driving on the
> > paintings" and them wanting to get them mapped before the area is
> > closed because of four wheelers.
> >
> > The fact that there was quite a bit of oil on the rocks (for
quite
> a
> > few yards) from someone that "lost their oil pan" (according to
one
> > of them) and didn't clean up their mess really didn't help
either.
> I
> > personally picked up some trash off the trail though (although I
> tend
> > to do that anyways).
> >
> > I tried to explain that a majority of us are responsible
wheelers,
> do
> > not destroy vegetation, and are not out to ruin the land.
Somehow
> I
> > got the impression that they think our jeep bodies are stronger
> than
> > the rocks we rub against, and are destroying them.
> >
> > I'm not saying either party was right, we both have the legal
right
> > to be where we were, it's just that they hiked up to where they
> > where, and witnessed what could be perceived as us "damaging" the
> > land, in their eyes.
> >
> > Now I didn't start an argument, but the truth is they were
actually
> > climbing and walking around on the rocks and walls, actually
where
> > there was existing vegetation....
> >
> > However, I am thankful that they weren't out there on the Friday
> > night of the Jamboree to witness all the drunken idiots throwing
> > their beer cans all around.
> >
> > I've only been wheeling those trails regularly for a year or so
> now,
> > and have never seen them out there before.
> >
> > Dan
>
>
>
>
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69642 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
I don't think a Hummer would even fit through Box Canyon...........would it?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Ray B.
To: James Towle
Cc: AZ_VJC
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] This has been eating at me
I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the out-of-the-box ALL AROUND capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other' vehicles...it's not very productive.
My .02
Ray
AZAV8ER
James Towle wrote:
Yesterday and today on Car & Driver, that is aired on TNN, they had a test
drive of the new H2. The report went on about how great these things were
and how they were "the 2nd best production 4x4 by any company, the first
best being the full size Hummer." WTF???? They should pictures of the thing
going over two foot bumps and a wheel lifting off the ground. All this for
$50,000, wow.... Are they even paying attention to what they are doing?
I watched the repeat, from yesterday, of the show to make sure I heard
everything correct and sure enough, I did. I wonder if these people have
driven a Rubicon or tried to get the lanky thing through a canyon? I used to
give Car & Driver some credibility, that's gone.
Just wondering if anyone else saw it. I might drop them a note.
--James
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69643 From: jcsxj <dffataz@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:11pm
Subject: Any pics ?
Does any one have pics they plan on posting
of FR42 from 11/3/02 ?
69644 From: Mike Elrod <odashee1@h...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: This has been eating at me
WELL SAID RAY...........Let's just worry about our rigs. Who cares what the
other guy drives?
Mike Elrod
'97 TJ
>I've been keeping fairly quiet on this for a while, but it's time for me to
>make a comment. I was in the US army, and had the fortune to drive a
>Hummer all over the place! Looking back, I can not think of one time I was
>in a position that in retrospect any of my jeeps would have done better. I
>felt VERY safe in the Hummer, though a bit heavy, and wide, it performs
>VERY well. There is NOTHING on the market that comes close to the
>out-of-the-box _ALL AROUND_ capabilities of the Hummer. Granted, it wont
>fit in some of the places that the Jeeps will, but so far, I haven't seen
>anyplace in FJ that I wouldn't take one, and there are places I'd bet the
>Hummer would shine that would give a Jeep fits if not actually stop it.
>
>Why don't we just worry about our Jeeps, and quit bashing all the 'other'
>vehicles...it's not very productive.
>
>My .02
>
>Ray
>AZAV8ER
>
>
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69645 From: Chris benner <jeeperinaz@t...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:18pm
Subject: Re: Any pics ?
Actually I posted 48 pictures on my site. I should have a couple videos up
sometime this week..
www.thejeepfiles.com
Click on trips..
----- Original Message -----
From: "jcsxj" <dffataz@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Any pics ?
> Does any one have pics they plan on posting
> of FR42 from 11/3/02 ?
>
>
>
>
>
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69646 From: Lachlan <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: Onboard air
I need to get set up with some on board air, and I have checked
out Kilby's site. My question is kind of vague, but has anyone
bought stuff from Kilby and gotten everything they needed from him,
or should I buy just the mounting bracket, compressor and pulley from
him and get all of my fittings and tank, pressure switch, guage, etc.
from a local shop? It seems like a bracket for $20 and a compressor
(new) for $190, and pulley/clutch for $110 makes the rest of the set-
up get kind of spendy by the time it's all added up. It's time to
get rigged up with air, but how should I do it in my '98 2.5L TJ?
Thanks for any help or advice.
Lachlan
69647 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:47pm
Subject: RE: Onboard air
Lachlan,
I purchased the bracket and pulley setup from Brad (Kilby) and put the rest
of the stuff together myself locally. You can find new Compressors less
expensive than Brad sells them for here locally and you won't have the
shipping charges (but you will have to pay tax). I would absolutely not
recommend that you purchase the tanks, fittings, pressure switches through
Brad because they are very simple to put together from Home Depot (except
for the pressure switch, and I don't like the one Brad sells.
Go for the mounting kit and leave the rest behind. If you are interested
where I purchased the compressor and clutch assembly, let me know and I'll
look it up.
BTW... Brad is a GREAT standup kind of guy and I'd highly recommend his
products; especially the onboard air and gas tank skid.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Lachlan [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 7:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Onboard air
I need to get set up with some on board air, and I have checked
out Kilby's site. My question is kind of vague, but has anyone
bought stuff from Kilby and gotten everything they needed from him,
or should I buy just the mounting bracket, compressor and pulley from
him and get all of my fittings and tank, pressure switch, guage, etc.
from a local shop? It seems like a bracket for $20 and a compressor
(new) for $190, and pulley/clutch for $110 makes the rest of the set-
up get kind of spendy by the time it's all added up. It's time to
get rigged up with air, but how should I do it in my '98 2.5L TJ?
Thanks for any help or advice.
Lachlan
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69648 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 1:45pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Liberty Willy's
whitewalls are for lowriders
69649 From: oveson2 <oveson_l@m...>
Date: Mon Nov 4, 2002 6:54pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wrangler 1/2 Doors
YJ or TJ ??
LO
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
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