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69475 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:18pm
Subject: [TR] Woodpecker (Lower) - Sunday, November 3, 2002
Hello All,
Nick Smith is leading a Woodpecker (Lower) trail run on Sunday, November 3, 2002.
When: 8:15am
Where: Texaco Florence Junction
Rating: 4.5+
Length: 3 hours
CB Channel: 4
Regretably sold my TJ and am going out with the lucky new owner to break it in. Will do a couple runs on lower and upper Woodpecker. Nothing too tough, just getting to know the rig. Come out and welcome Brad to the group.
Lower Woodpecker is really more a "play" area then a "trail". It is very short in length but BIG on rocks. There are five or so different "paths" to take through this outcropping of rocks, some bigger than others, some more off camber than others. Sometimes there's water, sometimes not. It's different each time you traverse it but it definitely doesn't get easier.
There are full rock walls covered with pictographs. How wonderful it would be to know the story behind all of them.
Your camera is a must. Bring sun lotion and lots of water because you may spend some time watching your fellow wheeler struggle or climb or slide on the rocks. You can continue up through Upper Woodpecker if time permits, but that makes for a long day.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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69476 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I'd have to defer to Stu to answer this so he can check with Blaine to
make sure it is OK. If so, mine are still on the bench.
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 07:56 PM, FredTJ wrote:
> Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
> Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper,
> etc...
> Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in
> Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't
> want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the
> measurements.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Krieg
> To: Stu Olson
> Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
> Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now
> getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I
> got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
>
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
>
> In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc
> brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with
> the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer
> ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is
> virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in
> my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a
> pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
>
>
>
> While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the
> Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with
> it.
>
>
>
> Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so
> similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as
> the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs
> out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind
> of upgrade.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern,
> Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in
> the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ
> rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the
> 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy
> calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my
> Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them
> work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad
> choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums
> (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with
> the calipers.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
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69477 From: steverino1112000 <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
Somebody correct if I am wrong but isn't on the way to Martinez and
turn at the wooden corral? I ahve only run it once myself.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...> wrote:
> Anybody have the coordinates or directions to the trail?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
69478 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
Yup
----- Original Message -----
From: "steverino1112000" <steverino1112000@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
> Somebody correct if I am wrong but isn't on the way to Martinez and
> turn at the wooden corral? I ahve only run it once myself.
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...> wrote:
> > Anybody have the coordinates or directions to the trail?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
69479 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 2:48pm
Subject: Re: Going UP again...spring question
No the only reason you get the lift on an MJ is because you are moving the spring pack above the axle. Since the XJ already has an SOA, you have the 5 1/2" of lift already (OMG, can you image an XJ with an SUA !) Anyway in looking at my XJ and MJ side by side, the springs on the MJ might be a bit longer than the XJ and the spring perches on the MJ are closer to the center of the axle by about an inch on each side. I would think your options for that much lift on an XJ would be an after market 4" or better (if there is a better one) spring pack, lift shackles and maybe blocks. Now if you want to go all out, you can shorten and narrow a Chevy Blazer frame, put 22" of lift on it and drop your XJ body on top and this is what you will get..............the ultimate XJ, check out the attached pictures........
Mike
ORIGINAL MESSAGE
Message: 24
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:47:20 -0700
From: Mike Golden
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
cowboy7575@aol.com wrote:
>
> Yepper, XJ's are SOA but MJ's (Comanche Truck based on the XJ for
> those of you that dont know it) are NOT. The nice thing about
> lifting an MJ is you can easlily get 7-8 inches in the back by doing
> the SOA with an add a leaf and extended shackles :-)
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Interesting. Did not know that. Does that mean you could just use MJ
(SUA) leafs packs on an XJ (SOA) and get 3-4" of lift? Are the leafs a
different length?
--
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69480 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred,
Drop Blaine a note. I know he is out of the business (so he told me).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:22 PM
To: FredTJ
Cc: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I'd have to defer to Stu to answer this so he can check with Blaine to make sure it is OK. If so, mine are still on the bench.
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 07:56 PM, FredTJ wrote:
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
<>smaller><>fontfamily> Maybe you could take measurements and
or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
<>smaller><>fontfamily>Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
<>smaller><>fontfamily>
Thanks,
<>smaller><>fontfamily> Fred
<>smaller><>fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg<>color>
To: Stu Olson<>color>
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club<>color>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
While I have not tried it personally, Ive had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it.
Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.<>bigger>
69481 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:55pm
Subject: RE: Nice Job Quadratech/ cool headlight guards FS
Hi Mike,
I am interested, could you send some pics please.
Thanks Brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: moontweezers [mailto:mikereid2@e...]
Sent: Sat 11/2/2002 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [az_vjc] Nice Job Quadratech/ cool headlight guards FS
Hey all,
I ordered some headlight and front turn signal light guards from
quadratech and they showed up with some paint scratched off from the
shipping process. I called them and they said they'd send a new set
right out. When I asked about arrangments to return the damaged set
they told me to keep them!! These things are about$45 and have one
very light scrape in the paint on one side, and they just gave me
free pair!! Great company to deal with. So, now I'll have an extra
set at the end of the week. Any body want them for say $25? There
four pieces, two for the blinkers and two for the headligts. These
are the black steel ones with just two bars going in front of the
lights (Not the crappy plastic ones or the mesh deals). If
yourviterested I can e-mail you pics.
thanks,
Mike Hudson
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69482 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it. <>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Stu<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Stu Olson<>color><>fontfamily>
www.stu-offroad.com<>color><>fontfamily>
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-----Original Message-----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ<>smaller><>fontfamily>
<>fontfamily>
It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
<>smaller><>fontfamily>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service<>color>.<>smaller><>fontfamily>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service<>color>.<>bigger>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69483 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 8:51pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Broken Arrow - Thursday, October 31, 2002
I was in Sedona today, and I saw about 368 pink Jeeps! Every
other vehicle on the road was a pink Jeep! Talk about owning that
town, they even have Pink Jeep Plaza! Anyway, the yellow Jeeps just
look better... LOL! Glad to hear that your company is doing well
with being able to "share" Broken Arrow.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "sedonacowgirl" <cowgirl@s...> wrote:
>
>
> Howdy! I will find out who that was - thanks, again!
>
> As for Pink Jeep advertising "exclusivity", they had the only
Forest
> Service permits for Broken Arrow until two years ago, when a
federal
> judge ruled that permits were not necessary (it's public land - the
> USFS cannot discriminate who can use it).
>
> Now, Pink is suing the Forest Service and every tour company in
town
> who uses Broken Arrow. I guess I would be irritated if I had had a
> trail all to myself for 15 years, built my whole business around
it,
> and paid obscene amounts of money to the USFS to use it. But the
> USFS never gave them "exclusive" permits, in fact, their (now
> defunct) permit reads "non-exclusive", so the lawsuit is,
> understandably, making them even more unpopular than they already
are.
> Around here, they are viewed as the "evil empire".
>
> I should mention that I have friends who work for them. These are
> good people who are just trying to make a living here.
> Unfortuneately, their owner is a spoiled rich brat who came into
this
> town thinking he was going to own it, and is throwing a fit because
> he is not getting his way. This attitude has trickled down through
> his company.
>
> The owner of our company is a second generation native Sedonan, and
> we just shake our heads at the political games going on here. We
> concentrate on trying to keep things positive, cooperative and
fun.
> Some people just take things WAY too seriously! :D
>
> Well, didn't mean to get up on my soapbox, but you asked! I hope
> that none of this will affect anyone's ability to enjoy our
otherwise
> beautiful town.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> Nena
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., f968190@a... wrote:
> > Do me a favor and thank your driver that would have been on the
> trail around
> > 1:30pm on Thursday. Tell him the guy in the gold XJ owes him a
beer
> (or pop)!
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > P.S. I noticed that the pink jeep tours flyer says that
> they "exclusively"
> > run the broken arrow trail. How can they get away with saying
that?
> You guys
> > are out there too and I think I saw another company as well.
> >
> > In a message dated 11/1/2002 10:13:38 PM US Mountain Standard
Time,
> > cowgirl@s... writes:
> >
> > > Subj: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Trip Report - Broken Arrow - Thursday,
> October 31,
> > > 2002
> > > Date: 11/1/2002 10:13:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> > > From: <A HREF="mailto:cowgirl@s...">cowgirl@s...</A>
> > > To: <A HREF="mailto:azvjc@a...">azvjc@a...</A>
> > > Sent from the Internet
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Howdy! Glad to hear that you think the "yellow Jeep drivers
are
> > > great"! I run the "yellow Jeep" company (A Day in the West).
We
> > > have a lot of fun on Broken Arrow, too. (And if you think the
> Pink
> > > Jeep drivers are unfriendly to you...!)
> > >
> > > Hope to see you up here again soon.
> > >
> > > Happy trails!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
69484 From: Dave oboyle <arizonaXj@h...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
And I thought my XJ was Ugly... Man I almost threw up looking at thoes
pictures...
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash
Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: mgolden@c...
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Going UP again...spring question
>Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:48:09 EST
>
>No the only reason you get the lift on an MJ is because you are moving the
>spring pack above the axle. Since the XJ already has an SOA, you have the
>5
>1/2" of lift already (OMG, can you image an XJ with an SUA !) Anyway in
>looking at my XJ and MJ side by side, the springs on the MJ might be a bit
>longer than the XJ and the spring perches on the MJ are closer to the
>center
>of the axle by about an inch on each side. I would think your options for
>that much lift on an XJ would be an after market 4" or better (if there is
>a
>better one) spring pack, lift shackles and maybe blocks. Now if you want
>to
>go all out, you can shorten and narrow a Chevy Blazer frame, put 22" of
>lift
>on it and drop your XJ body on top and this is what you will
>get..............the ultimate XJ, check out the attached pictures........
>
>Mike
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>
>Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:47:20 -0700
> From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
>
>cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> >
> > Yepper, XJ's are SOA but MJ's (Comanche Truck based on the XJ for
> > those of you that dont know it) are NOT. The nice thing about
> > lifting an MJ is you can easlily get 7-8 inches in the back by doing
> > the SOA with an add a leaf and extended shackles :-)
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>Interesting. Did not know that. Does that mean you could just use MJ
>(SUA) leafs packs on an XJ (SOA) and get 3-4" of lift? Are the leafs a
>different length?
>
>--
>
><< 95MonsterCherokee2.ZIP >>
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69485 From: Ed <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:19pm
Subject: Bouncing
Why has my name been moved to the bouncing list? I am not recieving
emails.
69486 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: [FS] tube side steps
Price: $100.00 or best offer
Contact: joejenant@netzero.net, 6027089159
i have a set of smittybuilt tube side steps came off my tj. color is black call or e-mail with offer
joe pace
69487 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
Yeah but you gotta love that 22" of lift and the 38" boggers :-) Bring on the step ladders if you want a ride ......LOL
69488 From: scott liberty <vtboy73@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 11:07pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wanted - YJ front shackles
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> I have a set make me an offer.
92yj 4cyl SOA Locked
Scott
69489 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 2:45am
Subject: [FS] Free Stuff for TJ
Price: Nada
Contact: dalewhite@aol.com
I have all the stock components remaining after installing a lift kit. Also I have the stock radiator which is in good shape. Moving soon and don't want to throw it all away. Catch is....you take it all.
Dale White
69490 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 3:45am
Subject: [TR] Chivo Falls - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
steve sample is leading a Chivo Falls trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: 8:30am sat
Where: last circle k on tanque verde rd about 4.5 miles before the dirt. 11271 E tanque verde
Rating: 3.5+
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
this would be your basic chivo/italian trap run. play area at three feathers including the shute and keyhole. will take the rockiest path available with bypasses optional. lift/33's/lsd-locker preferred.
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
69491 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:09am
Subject: RE: Bouncing
Your name will be put on the bouncing list automatically by Yahoo when there
is a problem delivering your e-mail.
This can occur because:
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You should be able to correct the situation yourself:
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HTH,
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:coyoteddie@e...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:20 PM
To: azvjc@a...
Subject: [az_vjc] Bouncing
Why has my name been moved to the bouncing list? I am not recieving
emails.
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69492 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:15am
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
FYI&.something to consider.
If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (dont we all?) on the trail, you will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you wont be swapping them out on the trail.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
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Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
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From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
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It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69493 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: Photo's from Upper Ajax Today...
More Ajax pics from another camera.
http://community.webshots.com/album/54107591mKUGrg
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:49 PM
To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups.Com
Subject: [az_vjc] Photo's from Upper Ajax Today...
Here's a link to photo's from my run on Upper Ajax today. It was mostly a "stack and unstack rocks for the Tacoma" run. Today's casualties were one dent in the tacoma bed, a bent jeep leaf spring, and two torn BFG tires.
http://community.webshots.com/album/54090974HQHBIq
--Steve
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69494 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:58am
Subject: Scott Maiden
Hey, when you wake up from your tough night on the trail, shoot me an email
so I can add you to the group.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
69495 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Oh yeah, forgot about those. I might need another set too.
Chris
On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 08:15 AM, Stu Olson wrote:
> FYI….something to consider.
>
>
>
> If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (don’t we all?) on the trail, you
> will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle
> shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you won’t be swapping them out
> on the trail.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
> To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
> Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one.
> Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
>
> John Halverson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:FredTJ
>
> To:Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
>
> Cc:Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Sent:Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
>
> Subject:Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
>
> Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper,
> etc...
>
> Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in
> Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't
> want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the
> measurements.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:Chris Krieg
>
> To:Stu Olson
>
> Cc:Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Sent:Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
>
> Subject:Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now
> getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I
> got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
>
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
>
> In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc
> brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with
> the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer
> ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is
> virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in
> my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a
> pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
>
>
>
> While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the
> Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with
> it.
>
>
>
> Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so
> similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as
> the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs
> out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind
> of upgrade.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern,
> Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in
> the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ
> rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the
> 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy
> calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my
> Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them
> work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad
> choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums
> (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with
> the calipers.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
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>
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69496 From: bobandamanda2001 <dookie78@j...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:55am
Subject: TJ won't idle, part 2
Thanks for all the replies on my idle problem. Now I have a few more
questions. I checked to see what code the computer was showing. It
showed 2.4 on the odo. I assume this means code 24, which is the TPS
code. Does this sound right. Also, where can I get a TPS locally.
NAPA says they don't even have it in their books. Checker, Autozone &
Pep Boys can't help me. Is the dealer my only option? Any suggestions
are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob Kennedy
99 TJ
69497 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:57am
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Stu,
Good point. Thank you.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Halverson' ; 'FredTJ' ; 'Chris Krieg'
Cc: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
FYI&.something to consider.
If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (dont we all?) on the trail, you will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you wont be swapping them out on the trail.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
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While I have not tried it personally, Ive had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it.
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Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
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From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
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It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69498 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 10:12am
Subject: RE: TJ won't idle, part 2
Bob,
I have a brand new TPS I carry as a trail spare. You can come get it if you
want it... the only requirement is that you replace it next week.
(602) 524-7632
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: bobandamanda2001 [mailto:dookie78@j...]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ won't idle, part 2
Thanks for all the replies on my idle problem. Now I have a few more
questions. I checked to see what code the computer was showing. It
showed 2.4 on the odo. I assume this means code 24, which is the TPS
code. Does this sound right. Also, where can I get a TPS locally.
NAPA says they don't even have it in their books. Checker, Autozone &
Pep Boys can't help me. Is the dealer my only option? Any suggestions
are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob Kennedy
99 TJ
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69499 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 10:37am
Subject: RE: Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic Transmission Shakedown Run Went Today?
No kidding! After 2 Jeeps and 9 years of wheeling them both with manuals
I will never look back. I have never enjoyed wheeling as much as I did
yesterday with the auto. There were lots of steep up and down climbs and
the auto provided much better traction and driver control of the Jeep
than possible with the manual. On the steep downgrades I did have to
stand on the brakes but with 4 wheel discs it wasn't a problem
controlling it. The auto keeps the drivetrain wound up while the brakes
are applied and allows you to modulate the pedal pressure without fear
of locking them up. It's definitely a different wheeling experience but
one that I would never trade back.
The AW4 has a very deep overdrive compared to the Ax15 it replaced. When
I do my front axle swap I think I'll swap over from 4.56 to 5.13 gears
to bring the RPM's up for freeway and highway use.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:14 PM
To: arizonajeep@c...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic
Transmission Shakedown Run Went Today?
Hi Joe,
I thought I would let the group know that all went well. We hit a trial
that I had started a year or two ago but was forced to turn back on then
(tires too small that day). It had been a long time since 4x4s were on
the trail and this required us to stop on two different occasions and
build up the washed out areas so we could continue. We ended up back
tracking two times but eventually made it.
Scott???? He said he loved the tranny. Once, he even told me I could
drive it....but I never go to. (I think he was having too much fun!)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:27 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic Transmission
Shakedown Run Went Today?
Hi Gang,
I was supposed to meet Scott at his house to pickup a transmission jack
this afternoon, but so far I have been unable to contact him. He was
taking his rig out on a shakedown run for his new automatic transmission
this morning... anyone know how the run went?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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69475 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:18pm
Subject: [TR] Woodpecker (Lower) - Sunday, November 3, 2002
Hello All,
Nick Smith is leading a Woodpecker (Lower) trail run on Sunday, November 3, 2002.
When: 8:15am
Where: Texaco Florence Junction
Rating: 4.5+
Length: 3 hours
CB Channel: 4
Regretably sold my TJ and am going out with the lucky new owner to break it in. Will do a couple runs on lower and upper Woodpecker. Nothing too tough, just getting to know the rig. Come out and welcome Brad to the group.
Lower Woodpecker is really more a "play" area then a "trail". It is very short in length but BIG on rocks. There are five or so different "paths" to take through this outcropping of rocks, some bigger than others, some more off camber than others. Sometimes there's water, sometimes not. It's different each time you traverse it but it definitely doesn't get easier.
There are full rock walls covered with pictographs. How wonderful it would be to know the story behind all of them.
Your camera is a must. Bring sun lotion and lots of water because you may spend some time watching your fellow wheeler struggle or climb or slide on the rocks. You can continue up through Upper Woodpecker if time permits, but that makes for a long day.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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69476 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I'd have to defer to Stu to answer this so he can check with Blaine to
make sure it is OK. If so, mine are still on the bench.
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 07:56 PM, FredTJ wrote:
> Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
> Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper,
> etc...
> Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in
> Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't
> want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the
> measurements.
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Krieg
> To: Stu Olson
> Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
> Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now
> getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I
> got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
>
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
>
> In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc
> brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with
> the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer
> ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is
> virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in
> my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a
> pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
>
>
>
> While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the
> Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with
> it.
>
>
>
> Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so
> similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as
> the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs
> out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind
> of upgrade.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern,
> Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in
> the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ
> rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the
> 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy
> calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my
> Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them
> work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad
> choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums
> (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with
> the calipers.
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>
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69477 From: steverino1112000 <steverino1112000@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
Somebody correct if I am wrong but isn't on the way to Martinez and
turn at the wooden corral? I ahve only run it once myself.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...> wrote:
> Anybody have the coordinates or directions to the trail?
>
> Thanks,
> Steve
69478 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: Re: Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
Yup
----- Original Message -----
From: "steverino1112000" <steverino1112000@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:25 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: GPS Coordinates for Axle Alley??
> Somebody correct if I am wrong but isn't on the way to Martinez and
> turn at the wooden corral? I ahve only run it once myself.
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...> wrote:
> > Anybody have the coordinates or directions to the trail?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Steve
>
>
>
>
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>
>
69479 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 2:48pm
Subject: Re: Going UP again...spring question
No the only reason you get the lift on an MJ is because you are moving the spring pack above the axle. Since the XJ already has an SOA, you have the 5 1/2" of lift already (OMG, can you image an XJ with an SUA !) Anyway in looking at my XJ and MJ side by side, the springs on the MJ might be a bit longer than the XJ and the spring perches on the MJ are closer to the center of the axle by about an inch on each side. I would think your options for that much lift on an XJ would be an after market 4" or better (if there is a better one) spring pack, lift shackles and maybe blocks. Now if you want to go all out, you can shorten and narrow a Chevy Blazer frame, put 22" of lift on it and drop your XJ body on top and this is what you will get..............the ultimate XJ, check out the attached pictures........
Mike
ORIGINAL MESSAGE
Message: 24
Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:47:20 -0700
From: Mike Golden
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
cowboy7575@aol.com wrote:
>
> Yepper, XJ's are SOA but MJ's (Comanche Truck based on the XJ for
> those of you that dont know it) are NOT. The nice thing about
> lifting an MJ is you can easlily get 7-8 inches in the back by doing
> the SOA with an add a leaf and extended shackles :-)
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Interesting. Did not know that. Does that mean you could just use MJ
(SUA) leafs packs on an XJ (SOA) and get 3-4" of lift? Are the leafs a
different length?
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69480 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred,
Drop Blaine a note. I know he is out of the business (so he told me).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@mac.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 8:22 PM
To: FredTJ
Cc: Stu Olson; Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
I'd have to defer to Stu to answer this so he can check with Blaine to make sure it is OK. If so, mine are still on the bench.
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 07:56 PM, FredTJ wrote:
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
<>smaller><>fontfamily> Maybe you could take measurements and
or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
<>smaller><>fontfamily>Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
<>smaller><>fontfamily>
Thanks,
<>smaller><>fontfamily> Fred
<>smaller><>fontfamily>
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg<>color>
To: Stu Olson<>color>
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club<>color>
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
While I have not tried it personally, Ive had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it.
Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69481 From: BradP Kilgore <brad.kilgore@p...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 7:55pm
Subject: RE: Nice Job Quadratech/ cool headlight guards FS
Hi Mike,
I am interested, could you send some pics please.
Thanks Brad.
-----Original Message-----
From: moontweezers [mailto:mikereid2@e...]
Sent: Sat 11/2/2002 7:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc:
Subject: [az_vjc] Nice Job Quadratech/ cool headlight guards FS
Hey all,
I ordered some headlight and front turn signal light guards from
quadratech and they showed up with some paint scratched off from the
shipping process. I called them and they said they'd send a new set
right out. When I asked about arrangments to return the damaged set
they told me to keep them!! These things are about$45 and have one
very light scrape in the paint on one side, and they just gave me
free pair!! Great company to deal with. So, now I'll have an extra
set at the end of the week. Any body want them for say $25? There
four pieces, two for the blinkers and two for the headligts. These
are the black steel ones with just two bars going in front of the
lights (Not the crappy plastic ones or the mesh deals). If
yourviterested I can e-mail you pics.
thanks,
Mike Hudson
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69482 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
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While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it. <>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Stu<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
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Stu Olson<>color><>fontfamily>
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-----Original Message-----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ<>smaller><>fontfamily>
<>fontfamily>
It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69483 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 8:51pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - Broken Arrow - Thursday, October 31, 2002
I was in Sedona today, and I saw about 368 pink Jeeps! Every
other vehicle on the road was a pink Jeep! Talk about owning that
town, they even have Pink Jeep Plaza! Anyway, the yellow Jeeps just
look better... LOL! Glad to hear that your company is doing well
with being able to "share" Broken Arrow.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "sedonacowgirl" <cowgirl@s...> wrote:
>
>
> Howdy! I will find out who that was - thanks, again!
>
> As for Pink Jeep advertising "exclusivity", they had the only
Forest
> Service permits for Broken Arrow until two years ago, when a
federal
> judge ruled that permits were not necessary (it's public land - the
> USFS cannot discriminate who can use it).
>
> Now, Pink is suing the Forest Service and every tour company in
town
> who uses Broken Arrow. I guess I would be irritated if I had had a
> trail all to myself for 15 years, built my whole business around
it,
> and paid obscene amounts of money to the USFS to use it. But the
> USFS never gave them "exclusive" permits, in fact, their (now
> defunct) permit reads "non-exclusive", so the lawsuit is,
> understandably, making them even more unpopular than they already
are.
> Around here, they are viewed as the "evil empire".
>
> I should mention that I have friends who work for them. These are
> good people who are just trying to make a living here.
> Unfortuneately, their owner is a spoiled rich brat who came into
this
> town thinking he was going to own it, and is throwing a fit because
> he is not getting his way. This attitude has trickled down through
> his company.
>
> The owner of our company is a second generation native Sedonan, and
> we just shake our heads at the political games going on here. We
> concentrate on trying to keep things positive, cooperative and
fun.
> Some people just take things WAY too seriously! :D
>
> Well, didn't mean to get up on my soapbox, but you asked! I hope
> that none of this will affect anyone's ability to enjoy our
otherwise
> beautiful town.
>
> Happy trails,
>
> Nena
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., f968190@a... wrote:
> > Do me a favor and thank your driver that would have been on the
> trail around
> > 1:30pm on Thursday. Tell him the guy in the gold XJ owes him a
beer
> (or pop)!
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > P.S. I noticed that the pink jeep tours flyer says that
> they "exclusively"
> > run the broken arrow trail. How can they get away with saying
that?
> You guys
> > are out there too and I think I saw another company as well.
> >
> > In a message dated 11/1/2002 10:13:38 PM US Mountain Standard
Time,
> > cowgirl@s... writes:
> >
> > > Subj: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] Trip Report - Broken Arrow - Thursday,
> October 31,
> > > 2002
> > > Date: 11/1/2002 10:13:38 PM US Mountain Standard Time
> > > From: <A HREF="mailto:cowgirl@s...">cowgirl@s...</A>
> > > To: <A HREF="mailto:azvjc@a...">azvjc@a...</A>
> > > Sent from the Internet
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Howdy! Glad to hear that you think the "yellow Jeep drivers
are
> > > great"! I run the "yellow Jeep" company (A Day in the West).
We
> > > have a lot of fun on Broken Arrow, too. (And if you think the
> Pink
> > > Jeep drivers are unfriendly to you...!)
> > >
> > > Hope to see you up here again soon.
> > >
> > > Happy trails!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
69484 From: Dave oboyle <arizonaXj@h...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
And I thought my XJ was Ugly... Man I almost threw up looking at thoes
pictures...
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash
Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
>From: cowboy7575@a...
>To: mgolden@c...
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Going UP again...spring question
>Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2002 22:48:09 EST
>
>No the only reason you get the lift on an MJ is because you are moving the
>spring pack above the axle. Since the XJ already has an SOA, you have the
>5
>1/2" of lift already (OMG, can you image an XJ with an SUA !) Anyway in
>looking at my XJ and MJ side by side, the springs on the MJ might be a bit
>longer than the XJ and the spring perches on the MJ are closer to the
>center
>of the axle by about an inch on each side. I would think your options for
>that much lift on an XJ would be an after market 4" or better (if there is
>a
>better one) spring pack, lift shackles and maybe blocks. Now if you want
>to
>go all out, you can shorten and narrow a Chevy Blazer frame, put 22" of
>lift
>on it and drop your XJ body on top and this is what you will
>get..............the ultimate XJ, check out the attached pictures........
>
>Mike
>
>ORIGINAL MESSAGE
>
>Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2002 19:47:20 -0700
> From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
>Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
>
>cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> >
> > Yepper, XJ's are SOA but MJ's (Comanche Truck based on the XJ for
> > those of you that dont know it) are NOT. The nice thing about
> > lifting an MJ is you can easlily get 7-8 inches in the back by doing
> > the SOA with an add a leaf and extended shackles :-)
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
>
>Interesting. Did not know that. Does that mean you could just use MJ
>(SUA) leafs packs on an XJ (SOA) and get 3-4" of lift? Are the leafs a
>different length?
>
>--
>
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69485 From: Ed <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:19pm
Subject: Bouncing
Why has my name been moved to the bouncing list? I am not recieving
emails.
69486 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 9:39pm
Subject: [FS] tube side steps
Price: $100.00 or best offer
Contact: joejenant@netzero.net, 6027089159
i have a set of smittybuilt tube side steps came off my tj. color is black call or e-mail with offer
joe pace
69487 From: <cowboy7575@a...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 4:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: Going UP again...spring question
Yeah but you gotta love that 22" of lift and the 38" boggers :-) Bring on the step ladders if you want a ride ......LOL
69488 From: scott liberty <vtboy73@y...>
Date: Sat Nov 2, 2002 11:07pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Wanted - YJ front shackles
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> I have a set make me an offer.
92yj 4cyl SOA Locked
Scott
69489 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 2:45am
Subject: [FS] Free Stuff for TJ
Price: Nada
Contact: dalewhite@aol.com
I have all the stock components remaining after installing a lift kit. Also I have the stock radiator which is in good shape. Moving soon and don't want to throw it all away. Catch is....you take it all.
Dale White
69490 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 3:45am
Subject: [TR] Chivo Falls - Saturday, November 9, 2002
Hello All,
steve sample is leading a Chivo Falls trail run on Saturday, November 9, 2002.
When: 8:30am sat
Where: last circle k on tanque verde rd about 4.5 miles before the dirt. 11271 E tanque verde
Rating: 3.5+
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
this would be your basic chivo/italian trap run. play area at three feathers including the shute and keyhole. will take the rockiest path available with bypasses optional. lift/33's/lsd-locker preferred.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
69491 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:09am
Subject: RE: Bouncing
Your name will be put on the bouncing list automatically by Yahoo when there
is a problem delivering your e-mail.
This can occur because:
1. Your ISP mail server was off-line.
2. Your E-Mail account is/was full.
3. Your E-Mail account was/is disabled.
4. Anything else that would cause a declined message to be sent back to
Yahoo Groups.
You should be able to correct the situation yourself:
http://groups.yahoo.com/mygroups
HTH,
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Ed [mailto:coyoteddie@e...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 10:20 PM
To: azvjc@a...
Subject: [az_vjc] Bouncing
Why has my name been moved to the bouncing list? I am not recieving
emails.
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69492 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:15am
Subject: RE: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
FYI&.something to consider.
If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (dont we all?) on the trail, you will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you wont be swapping them out on the trail.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
While I have not tried it personally, Ive had a good friend try the Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with it.
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Stu
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
<>smaller><>color><>fontfamily>
Stu Olson
<>color><>fontfamily>
www.stu-offroad.com<>color><>fontfamily>
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-----Original Message-----
From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
<>smaller><>fontfamily>
<>fontfamily>
It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69493 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Tue Dec 3, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: Photo's from Upper Ajax Today...
More Ajax pics from another camera.
http://community.webshots.com/album/54107591mKUGrg
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 6:49 PM
To: Az_Vjc@Yahoogroups.Com
Subject: [az_vjc] Photo's from Upper Ajax Today...
Here's a link to photo's from my run on Upper Ajax today. It was mostly a "stack and unstack rocks for the Tacoma" run. Today's casualties were one dent in the tacoma bed, a bent jeep leaf spring, and two torn BFG tires.
http://community.webshots.com/album/54090974HQHBIq
--Steve
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69494 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 7:58am
Subject: Scott Maiden
Hey, when you wake up from your tough night on the trail, shoot me an email
so I can add you to the group.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
69495 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Oh yeah, forgot about those. I might need another set too.
Chris
On Sunday, November 3, 2002, at 08:15 AM, Stu Olson wrote:
> FYI….something to consider.
>
>
>
> If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (don’t we all?) on the trail, you
> will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle
> shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you won’t be swapping them out
> on the trail.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
> To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
> Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Fred
>
> If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one.
> Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
>
> John Halverson
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:FredTJ
>
> To:Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
>
> Cc:Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Sent:Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
>
> Subject:Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
>
> Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper,
> etc...
>
> Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in
> Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't
> want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the
> measurements.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From:Chris Krieg
>
> To:Stu Olson
>
> Cc:Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
>
> Sent:Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
>
> Subject:Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for
> D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now
> getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I
> got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
>
> Chris
>
> On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
>
> In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc
> brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do….with
> the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer
> ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is
> virtually plug and play. My 35” tires stop like a stock vehicle, in
> my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a
> pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
>
>
>
> While I have not tried it personally, I’ve had a good friend try the
> Stainless disc brake kit on his CJ-7. He was COMPLETELY unhappy with
> it.
>
>
>
> Since the Explorer 8.8” disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so
> similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as
> the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs
> out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind
> of upgrade.
>
>
>
> Stu
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cowboy7575@aol.com [mailto:cowboy7575@aol.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
>
>
>
> It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern,
> Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in
> the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ
> rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the
> 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy
> calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my
> Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them
> work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad
> choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums
> (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with
> the calipers.
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69496 From: bobandamanda2001 <dookie78@j...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:55am
Subject: TJ won't idle, part 2
Thanks for all the replies on my idle problem. Now I have a few more
questions. I checked to see what code the computer was showing. It
showed 2.4 on the odo. I assume this means code 24, which is the TPS
code. Does this sound right. Also, where can I get a TPS locally.
NAPA says they don't even have it in their books. Checker, Autozone &
Pep Boys can't help me. Is the dealer my only option? Any suggestions
are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob Kennedy
99 TJ
69497 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 9:57am
Subject: Re: Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Stu,
Good point. Thank you.
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Halverson' ; 'FredTJ' ; 'Chris Krieg'
Cc: 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
FYI&.something to consider.
If you carry spare D44 axle shafts (dont we all?) on the trail, you will want two sets of them. Since the retainer plate goes on the axle shaft before the bearing is pressed on, you wont be swapping them out on the trail.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 9:19 PM
To: FredTJ; Chris Krieg; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Fred
If you can get a set made I would be very interested in getting one. Please let me know what you come up with. Cell 602-568-5711
John Halverson
----- Original Message -----
From: FredTJ
To: Chris Krieg ; Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Hey Chris (or Stu, if you have a set lying around still),
Maybe you could take measurements and/or trace 'em on some paper, etc...
Hell, maybe I'll go on and have one of the machine shops here in Tucson (I know some people), fab up a run of 'em. I certainly don't want to pull one of my axles and pull it apart, to get the measurements.
Thanks,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Krieg
To: Stu Olson
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:31 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
Yup. I think my next mod after my axle swap (axle is at 4 Wheelers now getting an ARB), I'll be putting the rear disks on my TJ. Luckily, I got some of the last Blaine retainer plates (THANKS STU!!).
Chris
On Saturday, November 2, 2002, at 06:54 PM, Stu Olson wrote:
In contrast to the conversion you mentioned, putting the ZJ disc brakes on a TJ is wonderful. The conversion is so easy to do&.with the exception of the necessary modified retainer plate (or a spacer ring) that compensates for the thickness of the caliper bracket, it is virtually plug and play. My 35 tires stop like a stock vehicle, in my opinion. The ZJ e-brake drum also works just fine. I bought a pair of ZJ e-brake cables and hooked them up to the TJ actuator.
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Since the Explorer 8.8 disc brakes and the ZJ disc brakes are so similar (some of the e-brake components are interchangeable, such as the shoes), they should work well. I hope Tera works ALL of the bugs out and does not do there typical, IMHO, almost fully engineered kind of upgrade.
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Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 1:35 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Subject: RE: [Tech] 2000 TJ - Rear Discs for D44-00TJ
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It looks like your bolt pattern is the smaller Wrangler bolt pattern, Would this conversion work if you had the Warn 5x5.5 full floaters in the rear ? If so, you would need different rotors or have the ZJ rotors re-drilled. Just a thought or observation. I have the 5x5.5 conversion on mine and used the Warn disc conversion with Caddy calipers, I can tell you the Warn disc conversion sucked on my Wrangler, Warn says you may have to bend the brackets to make them work properly, yes you certainly do but the Caddy calipers are a bad choice but necessary if you want an Ebrake. I went back to drums (but the bigger 10" ones from a ZJ) due to continuing problems with the calipers.
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69498 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 10:12am
Subject: RE: TJ won't idle, part 2
Bob,
I have a brand new TPS I carry as a trail spare. You can come get it if you
want it... the only requirement is that you replace it next week.
(602) 524-7632
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: bobandamanda2001 [mailto:dookie78@j...]
Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2002 10:56 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ won't idle, part 2
Thanks for all the replies on my idle problem. Now I have a few more
questions. I checked to see what code the computer was showing. It
showed 2.4 on the odo. I assume this means code 24, which is the TPS
code. Does this sound right. Also, where can I get a TPS locally.
NAPA says they don't even have it in their books. Checker, Autozone &
Pep Boys can't help me. Is the dealer my only option? Any suggestions
are greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Bob Kennedy
99 TJ
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69499 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Nov 3, 2002 10:37am
Subject: RE: Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic Transmission Shakedown Run Went Today?
No kidding! After 2 Jeeps and 9 years of wheeling them both with manuals
I will never look back. I have never enjoyed wheeling as much as I did
yesterday with the auto. There were lots of steep up and down climbs and
the auto provided much better traction and driver control of the Jeep
than possible with the manual. On the steep downgrades I did have to
stand on the brakes but with 4 wheel discs it wasn't a problem
controlling it. The auto keeps the drivetrain wound up while the brakes
are applied and allows you to modulate the pedal pressure without fear
of locking them up. It's definitely a different wheeling experience but
one that I would never trade back.
The AW4 has a very deep overdrive compared to the Ax15 it replaced. When
I do my front axle swap I think I'll swap over from 4.56 to 5.13 gears
to bring the RPM's up for freeway and highway use.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 7:14 PM
To: arizonajeep@c...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic
Transmission Shakedown Run Went Today?
Hi Joe,
I thought I would let the group know that all went well. We hit a trial
that I had started a year or two ago but was forced to turn back on then
(tires too small that day). It had been a long time since 4x4s were on
the trail and this required us to stop on two different occasions and
build up the washed out areas so we could continue. We ended up back
tracking two times but eventually made it.
Scott???? He said he loved the tranny. Once, he even told me I could
drive it....but I never go to. (I think he was having too much fun!)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, November 02, 2002 6:27 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone heard how Scott Kruize's Automatic Transmission
Shakedown Run Went Today?
Hi Gang,
I was supposed to meet Scott at his house to pickup a transmission jack
this afternoon, but so far I have been unable to contact him. He was
taking his rig out on a shakedown run for his new automatic transmission
this morning... anyone know how the run went?
Kind Regards,
Joe West
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