Brain Storming Time

[Digger]

WE NEED TO STOP OUR JEEPS FROM GETTING RIPPED OFF.
Throw idea's in here, nothing is to outragous, it might make something click to someone on how to come up with a sure fire anti- thieving device, or spotting device.
here is the idea's that have gone though my head:

why don't cops get bar code reader guns ..and plates have bar code under number, imagine how many plates they can scan while driving.

if a jeep is started without a key a bright neon sign lights up from under paint that says "this jeep has just been ripped off-call the police now"

what you have on your mind? let's hear it!!!! do we need to start a jeep possee?

[TanTJJim]

You never hear about a Jeep getting stolen that has a kill switch. I know they just had one, but maybe it's time for another kill switch workshop? Personally I trust my kill switch much more than I would an alarm.

[Antman]

You never hear about a Jeep getting stolen that has a kill switch. I know they just had one, but maybe it's time for another kill switch workshop? Personally I trust my kill switch much more than I would an alarm.

I agree. If your jeep doesn't have a kill switch of some kind. YOU NEED TO TAKE CARE OF IT NOW!

It could be as simple as a hood lock and pulling the PDA relay.

[Tom Schenk]

I always wanted to wire a Taser to the driver seat. :)

[nrossman]

the quick release steering wheel has worked great for me...knock on wood

[Antman]

I have the plug in security chip and a kill switch, but still worry about someone
with a tow truck taking it.:stunned:

[ohiotj]

I just leave the wife in the Jeep. If they want the Jeep they get her... thats a deal i could live with.

[David C]

I totally agree with the kill switch. I have one built into the alarm.

Now...nothing too outrageous, huh? :devilish:

1) I really want to install not just a kill switch, but an entire kill system. :2guns: That way the scumbag that tried to steal does not get away nor does he ever try to steal again. Most of his scumbag buddies will think long and
hard before attempting to steal again. Then develop a similar system for lawyers/prosecutors/politicians :behead: who try to punish a decent citizen for protecting themselves/their property since the government refuses to do so.

2) Force the local government to give full public access to the thousands of traffic cameras installed on our roads which would most likely show any stolen vehicle, where it went and who was driving it. I know these cameras are not just still cams that snap a shot only when triggered but active video cameras that observe/record 24/7. I have an article saved from the AZ Repugnant...er Repulsive...um... that crap newspaper here that talks about a plain, unmarked office building in Chandler that houses a traffic cam control room and about 2 guys whose job it is to monitor these cams and make traffic signal adjustments where needed. PM me if you want a copy of that article.

3) Force all private companies, retail stores, etc. with cameras watching their parking lots to give full public access to any victim whose property was stolen or damaged anywhere near those cameras. Currently, every company policy is to lie through their teeth and claim the cams show nothing. I hate liars, especially corporate liars who lie for profits. Any company that refuses or worse, tries to hide knowledge of a crime gets immediately shut down forever and all executives imprisoned...or given an honorary law degree and referred to #1 above.

4) Bait cars. Put out so many bait cars to catch scumbags that they give up, totally convinced they'll be caught if they try. Once again, :whip:this will require us to force the govt to do this since they currently refuse to protect us or our property. No, forget the govt and do our own bait cars (refer to #1 above).

5) Remove, by force, every government official and replace them with people that might actually honor their Oath of Office and work FOR the people that elected them...

...ok, I guess I am getting too outrageous now!:willy_nilly:

Someday I'll have to tell you how I really feel about this subject.:D :dots:

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I just leave the wife in the Jeep. If they want the Jeep they get her... thats a deal i could live with.


I have your wifes email.....


BTW...How about a group buy on Lojack??????

Airparks parent co owns them


Jason

[Digger]

I too have a kill switch and use it. Also have a Jeep full of land jaws at any givin time. I (knock on wood) have never had my transport ripped off.

The comments to this post indicate jeeps get ripped off because not enough front line care is applied to prevent such violation from one's personal property. Right??

Hope this helps cause!!! And I feel for those who have been violated, the anger, stress, guilt, sorrow or whatever feeling surface from a lost jeep has to be if down right heart-breaking.

[TwistedXJ]

I have your wifes email.....


BTW...How about a group buy on Lojack??????

Airparks parent co owns them


Jason

I would be interested in something like that!!!!

[jperez]

ok people, im feeling a little like the duck from the aflac commercial....


RAT TRAPS!!!!

BOOBY TRAP THE JEEP WITH

RAT TRAPS!!!!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i182/j0gper/next/aflac_1.jpg

[ltklein]

I have your wifes email.....


BTW...How about a group buy on Lojack??????

Airparks parent co owns them


Jason

EXCELLENT IDEA, JASON...

I guess I've been ignorant cuz I thought there was a monthly fee on Lowjack and I just don't do monthly fees (XM, Sirius, etc)..

Learned from a buddy on Saturday that Lowjack is a one time purchase without an additional fee. Now that's on my list of "must buys"...

I need two...I have Chevy truck as well and I'd like to keep it north of the border....

Roger

[Cave Gimp]

Layered defense is always the best. Don't leave the keys in the ignition, if you have doors, lock them, kill switch, Lo-Jack (or something similar). The first few will keep punks from going on a joy ride, the kill switch will keep the tweaker from starting it, and the Lo-Jack gets it back when its loaded up on a flat bed. The first 2 are free, the kill switch is less than $10. Jason, how much for Lo-Jack? Both install and monitoring?

In the DF jeep that was stolen, sounds like if they had a kill switch it wouldn't have been used, as they just got home and were coming right out to get the meds and other stuff. In that case, only the Lo-Jack would have worked. There is a need for both active and passive systems, because sometimes we forget, or other things on our minds. To all that have lost your jeeps I feel for you.

But a taser in the seat or an entire kill system is also good.

[Antman]

Thanks for starting this thread Digger. I;ve been lax lately on my kill switch.
It's good to have a reminder and not be lazy about throwing a simple switch
when I stop somewhere.:)

[Wayco]

There are legal ramifications with "active security" that can cause harm to the scumbags that steal our Jeeps. I still feel that a kill switch is the simple and best answer for this. Has anyone heard of a Jeep with this mod. getting stolen?
I get requests for info. on this all the time, and I'm always glad to share it. I have time available this Saturday, if anyone is interested in another work shop let me know.

[brian lujan]

i'd be up for it. lets throw it out there.

[neZZr]

One idea I had, is to put a relay on the starter. I work in a BMW dealership, and all the cars come shipped from the factory with a remote disconnect relay for the battery to keep it from going dead while in transit. It's a big honkin relay that can easily handle the current going to the starter, with a single wire going to a switch box that could be hidden under the dash or something. They are removed during the pre-delivery inspection, and thrown away.

I plan to install one along with a switch to shut off the power to the fuel pump relay... mounted in different places of course.

I might be able to get a few for anyone that is interested, or stop by your local BMW dealership and make friends with one of the techs.

[cross_007]

Definitely interested in a group buy on LoJack Jason.

I agree about layering...so, also interested in a group buy on the Revelco systems...so far. they have been 100% effective: http://www.neverstolen.com/

Here is some more info on LoJack:

http://www.allpar.com/ed/security.html

Robert Eckaus wrote:I'm in the automotive security field. The FBI "says" 80% of car thieves are pros, not joyriders. LoJack has found that about 72% of the vehicles recovered with LoJack have another anti-theft device on them. LoJack currently has a 90% plus recovery rate, 96% or more in CA and a typical recovery time of 2 hours with no damage.

The bottom line is, if a thief wants a car, they can take it (including newer - expensive models) or tow it away. The best device recovers the vehicle if its stolen. LoJack is currently in about 20 states and 20 countries.

The only "perceived" competitor to LoJack is a satellite tracking system. Despite being more "accurate" to pinpoint a location they:

1. Are not used directly by the police
2. Are more expensive and have monitoring/membership fees
3. Can be hidden from in an enclosed structure.




I have your wifes email.....


BTW...How about a group buy on Lojack??????

Airparks parent co owns them


Jason

[brian lujan]

if you have an automatic with the brake safety swich you can put THE CLUB for on the brake pedal. i have one for the clutch pedal, but i foregot what is called. EYES WE TAREDED SOFA KING WE TAREDED :confused::stupid:

[cross_007]

This is the system I want:

http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html (Turn down your sound)

I always wanted to wire a Taser to the driver seat. :)

[Duality]

I heard once that in south africa you can get flame throwers mounted to your cars underside to prevent carjackings.

[Henthorn]

"I'm in the automotive security field. The FBI "says" 80% of car thieves are pros, not joyriders. LoJack has found that about 72% of the vehicles recovered with LoJack have another anti-theft device on them. LoJack currently has a 90% plus recovery rate, 96% or more in CA and a typical recovery time of 2 hours with no damage. "

I honestly doubt the recovery claim with no damage.

and... Police have to be equiped and looking for vehicles with lojack, granted they are gaining popularity with Law Enforcement agancies but, only 20 states (as stated) are using them.

I would have to assume though that AZ is right??

[Cave Gimp]

For about $100 Checker has a relay (either fuel pump or starter) that won't switch unless the FOB is within a certain distance. Sort of like the chipped keys. If a theif opens the hood and the power box it is very clear which one is the "special" relay and coudl be easily replaced with the one next to it, but is another option and is passive, as long as you take your keys with you.

Again won't stop a tow truck.

[brian lujan]

One idea I had, is to put a relay on the starter. I work in a BMW dealership, and all the cars come shipped from the factory with a remote disconnect relay for the battery to keep it from going dead while in transit. It's a big honkin relay that can easily handle the current going to the starter, with a single wire going to a switch box that could be hidden under the dash or something. They are removed during the pre-delivery inspection, and thrown away.

I plan to install one along with a switch to shut off the power to the fuel pump relay... mounted in different places of course.

I might be able to get a few for anyone that is interested, or stop by your local BMW dealership and make friends with one of the techs.

THATS A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.

[macinyart]

Digger,
My offer still stands.

[cross_007]

IMHO, these are a waste of money:

http://www.lockpicks.com/browseproducts/The-ClubBuster.HTML

if you have an automatic with the brake safety swich you can put THE CLUB for on the brake pedal. i have one for the clutch pedal, but i foregot what is called. EYES WE TAREDED SOFA KING WE TAREDED :confused::stupid:

[Duality]

Back in high school I used to install alarms and stereos. My boss had 13 sirens in the ****pit of his vehicle. I remember him saying anyone who set his alarm off was going to have bleeding ears if they got in it. That worked pretty well for him.

[macinyart]

IMHO, these are a waste of money:

http://www.lockpicks.com/browseproducts/The-ClubBuster.HTML

This is a quote from the ad for the club buster:
Equip yourself with The Buster™ today!

* "Bust-off" steering wheel and brake locks in 60 Seconds!
* Easy & FUN to use!
* No more picking or drilling!
* No more damage to car interior!
* Pays for itself in one use!
* No power necessary!
* Satisfaction guaranteed!
* Removes the Club®, the Autolock™, & some U-shaped bicycle locks!



An indispensable tool for the following industries:

* LOCKSMITHS
* TOW TRUCK OPERATORS
* AUTOMOBILE REPOSSESSION PROFESSIONALS
* FIREMEN & PUBLIC SAFETY SERVICES ....

It looks like they left out one demographic of customer.

Now isn't this counterproductive?

[brian lujan]

the most extreme measure is to
1 buy an atlas T-case and lock your twin sticks together
2 take off your drive lines
3 buy a EXTREMELY long chain and go PEEWEE HURMAN style on it.

[brian lujan]

This is the system I want:

http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html (Turn down your sound)

:smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5: that was funny and a good idea.

[neZZr]

This is the system I want:

http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html (Turn down your sound)
On that note... don't forget the trunk monkey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avOiTUcD4Y

[neZZr]

THATS A GOOD IDEA AS WELL.
I just went out to the shop to grab a few, and I noticed there are also some that are magnet activated instead of a rocker switch. Those could be mounted behind the dash panel in a spot only you know about... just like the add-on system that's out there but without the cost!

[brian lujan]

On that note... don't forget the trunk monkey!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8avOiTUcD4Y

thats :smilielol5:

[bearlycontained]

I have always had a kill swich in everything I have owned. The main thing is to hide them good. My neighbor down the stree had his TJ stolen last year with a kill switch and Lo Jack and the officer told him that they are using tow trucks now and are also using a stun gun on the vehicle to disable the Lo Jack system. Wether this is true who knows.

[Digger]

Whow Bear, is this true?? HAS ANYONE ELSE HEARD THAT LO-JACK CAN BE DISMANTLED WITH STUN GUN ??

[mingoglia]

This is the system I want:

http://www.stickdeath.com/2002auto.html (Turn down your sound)

Now that's hilarious! The one with the camera in the front seat is the best!

[macinyart]

I have always had a kill swich in everything I have owned. The main thing is to hide them good. My neighbor down the stree had his TJ stolen last year with a kill switch and Lo Jack and the officer told him that they are using tow trucks now and are also using a stun gun on the vehicle to disable the Lo Jack system. Wether this is true who knows.

I have emailed LoJack to see if they will comment on this point. Snopes doesn't know about it. Maybe one of the LEOs on the board will comment? Interesting if true.

[wannabejeeper]

I have the Sentry key, LoJack, and I park in the garage. Granted, when it's in the garage, the keys are in it!:banghead:

I would be curious to see how many people would look at your car if you left the keys in it. I would think that that would be a big indication of a bait car.

[Allen]

I purchased the optional security key, so my jeep has a chipped key. Have any of the stolen jeeps been equiped with these?



If they were I'm assuming it was stolen by a pro and you never seen it again!


Yes, I am interested in one of those BMW starter switches! That and a FOB controlled relay!

What do you guys think of GPS tracking devices? Some companies will sell you the GPS device and the software to track it!

[Henthorn]

I cannot confirm 100% on this, unfortunatley however, I have heard of it happening. Its been in both news and word of mouth now for quite some time.

[FrenchChili]

the most extreme measure is to
1 buy an atlas T-case and lock your twin sticks together
2 take off your drive lines
3 buy a EXTREMELY long chain and go PEEWEE HURMAN style on it.


4 Paint your Jeep pink with plastic barbie dolls in it, I doubt no theif wants to be Ken on a mission:D

[wannabejeeper]

I purchased the optional security key, so my jeep has a chipped key. Have any of the stolen jeeps been equiped with these?



If they were I'm assuming it was stolen by a pro and you never seen it again!


Yes, I am interested in one of those BMW starter switches! That and a FOB controlled relay!

What do you guys think of GPS tracking devices? Some companies will sell you the GPS device and the software to track it!

The Sentry key can be worked around, but they have to be good. If they can get past the key, the relay will be cake.

[Last_Renegade]

Own a CJ like mine thats a pain to start and HAD a radiator (thanks Tom!!) that leaked so bad you can follow the drip......LOLOL

[ArizonaXJ]

Having received a certain amount of training over the years.....I have always thought about a system that blasts the would be thieves off at the legs. An explosive charge launching a flechette type system from underneath.....the other option is about 75,000 volts that pass through the body from the steering wheel and seat......the automotive electric chair.
One final thought, chain an aids infected pit-bull to the steering wheel!

But this is just me...

[neZZr]

Yes, I am interested in one of those BMW starter switches! That and a FOB controlled relay!

Anybody that wants one, PM me your mailing address and which one you want (rocker switch or magnet). Or, since I'm far away, I'll ship a bunch of them to someone and you can pass them out to VJC members.

The Sentry key can be worked around, but they have to be good. If they can get past the key, the relay will be cake.

You're right, but at what point do they just give up and move on?

[HiJinx]

http://wctproducts.com/immobilizer_menu.htm

[neZZr]

Here's a picture of the relay setup I'm talking about. Simple hookup to the battery/starter cable, then just run the wire thru the firewall (it does have a disconnect so it's easy to route thru a small hole) and mount the switch up under the seat or something.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/remote_relay.jpg

[Digger]

THESE SECURITY KEYS, are they the little plug in do hicky from dealer as option? Well I can tell you something very odd about those.
Only thing is I'm not going to type it out here, in case the we have a jeep-creep reading this stuff and using it to know new tricks to get past security.

The way jeeps are vanishing without a trace, is leading me to believe there is a well organize group doing it, with chop shops right under our noses. They can't be driving them very far, they'de be seen, and caught at least once in a while. wouldn't you think ??
And I think we should pm some teams to set up bait jeeps. not to post plan on here.
Example:
Lets say member who's name starts with L, each one of them contact 15 trusted members and form a bait jeep committee with plan. This should produce maybe 20 bait jeep groups.

And I think maybe engraving hidden ID#'s on all mods and expensive parts of our jeeps so they might be identified when bought throught the classifieds or whatever.
I'm just all fired up over jeeps vanishing, AZVJC stands strong, we are somewhat of an army...organized, multi talents in every range of trades, technical, engineering, selling, buying, inventing, creating, destroying, building, wrenching, flying, diving, driving, child raising, dog raising, DARN GUYS, I would be worried about ripping off a jeep and having the like of you to contend with !!!!! LET'S GET EM !!!! Ok, so how many of you did I get to stand up out of your chair ??? any??? gotta tell ya I have a nick name that goes way back, got it because of my persistance and determanation when I have a cause, and I don't like to bring it up, it's just ...well I got fired up here and am tired of having to worry bout stuff I work very hard for takin away and sold never to be seen again, my Jeeps are as dear to me as my doggies!!!!

Mad Dog Dragon

[RandyT]

I saw a post once about a guy who had 4 switches on his console. The rig would only start if they were set in the correct sequence. I thought that was kind of cool.

You guys are making me paranoid. I have a KS and a club, I use them both all the time. The otherday I forgot where I parked and my heart just sank as I thought I was a victim. Glad I found it before I called the cops. Yes, I am a dork. :aagh:

[neZZr]

THESE SECURITY KEYS, are they the little plug in do hicky from dealer as option? Well I can tell you something very odd about those.
Only thing is I'm not going to type it out here, in case the we have a jeep-creep reading this stuff and using it to know new tricks to get past security.

The way jeeps are vanishing without a trace, is leading me to believe there is a well organize group doing it, with chop shops right under our noses. They can't be driving them very far, they'de be seen, and caught at least once in a while. wouldn't you think ??
And I think we should pm some teams to set up bait jeeps. not to post plan on here.
Example:
Lets say member who's name starts with L, each one of them contact 15 trusted members and form a bait jeep committee with plan. This should produce maybe 20 bait jeep groups.

And I think maybe engraving hidden ID#'s on all mods and expensive parts of our jeeps so they might be identified when bought throught the classifieds or whatever.
I'm just all fired up over jeeps vanishing, AZVJC stands strong, we are somewhat of an army...organized, multi talents in every range of trades, technical, engineering, selling, buying, inventing, creating, destroying, building, wrenching, flying, diving, driving, child raising, dog raising, DARN GUYS, I would be worried about ripping off a jeep and having the like of you to contend with !!!!! LET'S GET EM !!!! Ok, so how many of you did I get to stand up out of your chair ??? any??? gotta tell ya I have a nick name that goes way back, got it because of my persistance and determanation when I have a cause, and I don't like to bring it up, it's just ...well I got fired up here and am tired of having to worry bout stuff I work very hard for takin away and sold never to be seen again, my Jeeps are as dear to me as my doggies!!!!

Mad Dog Dragon
The sentry key (or security key) is an option, but it's not a plug in thing... it's part of the key.

There is a plug-in immobilizer chip that can be installed aftermarket, and I remember seeing the manufacturers site claim no cars ever stolen with their system (or some rediculous claim).

The part I posted is really just kill switch relay that's easier to install than wiring up something custom. I think I have a pretty good hiding spot for my switch that is not likely to be found very easily. Still, it's not going to fool everyone, and it would be pretty obvious if someone looked under your hood closely enough, so a hood lock and some other form of protection would be a good idea as well.

I'm just of the opinion that the harder you make it, the more likely they are to move on to something easier. We're not talking about Ferrari's here... just ugly, beat up Jeeps. :D

[Markos]

One idea I had, is to put a relay on the starter. I work in a BMW dealership, and all the cars come shipped from the factory with a remote disconnect relay for the battery to keep it from going dead while in transit. It's a big honkin relay that can easily handle the current going to the starter, with a single wire going to a switch box that could be hidden under the dash or something. They are removed during the pre-delivery inspection, and thrown away.

I plan to install one along with a switch to shut off the power to the fuel pump relay... mounted in different places of course.

I might be able to get a few for anyone that is interested, or stop by your local BMW dealership and make friends with one of the techs.

NeZZr:

Those are sweet! Please count me in! I'll take a magnet operated one if possible. I'll wait to see if anyone else is interested, otherwise I'll just paypal you some shipping money. Thanks!

[Markos]

In addition to a kill switch, I removed my exterior locks. It's one of the most common ways to gain entery to an XJ. Removing the locks does nothing more than force a thief to bust the window, which could cause some attention. Yeah, they could slim jim the jeep, but how many thiefs are using slim jims on jeeps? We had 4 cherokees broken into at my work and one stolen. All using the lock prying method during business hours (same day). This was with a full-time guard patrolling the lot. They obviously didn't spot any broken windows.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=10798

[Digger]

Markos, have a question here. If I decide not to use my key and only use my electric key-bob to unlock my xj. .. What would it take to rig my key locks with a "drop them on their ars zap" if possible? And would I have the on & off option?
Anybody?

[Markos]

Markos, have a question here. If I decide not to use my key and only use my electric key-bob to unlock my xj. .. What would it take to rig my key locks with a "drop them on their ars zap" if possible? And would I have the on & off option?
Anybody?

I think a transformer from a neon sign would do the trick, but I wouldn't recommend it.

[ArizonaXJ]

NeZZr:

Those are sweet! Please count me in! I'll take a magnet operated one if possible. I'll wait to see if anyone else is interested, otherwise I'll just paypal you some shipping money. Thanks!


X2.....I need 3 if possible since I have 3 Jeeps!.....

[TanTJJim]

Here's a picture of the relay setup I'm talking about. Simple hookup to the battery/starter cable, then just run the wire thru the firewall (it does have a disconnect so it's easy to route thru a small hole) and mount the switch up under the seat or something.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/For%20Sale/remote_relay.jpg

I know this seems like a good idea but here's some food for though. If you wire this in line with a battery wire every time you flip the switch you will kill power to EVERYTHING. Yes, this will deter a thief, but it will also reset the memory in your PCM, radio, etc. This will erase all of your adaptives and OBDII readiness monitors which means you will never be able to pass emissions. Also, all your radio station presets will be erased every time.

I know the intentions are good and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just putting that out there so people can make a more informed decision before they start doing things that may have some unintended consequences.

[KennethS]

Has there been any information on exactly how these Jeeps have been taken? I ask because several years ago a co-worker of mine had two of his childrens Jeeps stolen (older XJs), and in both cases the steering column lock was broken. His solution was to install an armored steering column collar to prevent the ignition switch in the column from being accessed. Perhaps this armored steering column collar would be a good idea for a group buy?

[K7AZV]

I know this seems like a good idea but here's some food for though. If you wire this in line with a battery wire every time you flip the switch you will kill power to EVERYTHING. Yes, this will deter a thief, but it will also reset the memory in your PCM, radio, etc. This will erase all of your adaptives and OBDII readiness monitors which means you will never be able to pass emissions. Also, all your radio station presets will be erased every time.

I know the intentions are good and I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, just putting that out there so people can make a more informed decision before they start doing things that may have some unintended consequences.

I think this switch is being connected between the battery and starter, thus leaving the rest of the vehicle with power still. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it.

[neZZr]

I think this switch is being connected between the battery and starter, thus leaving the rest of the vehicle with power still. I could be wrong, but that's the way I read it.
That's exactly right. I plan on installing it tonight after work to see how it works. If all is good, I'll send some out to anyone that PMs me.

[ArizonaSunshine]

Great suggestions - Suppose regardless of what we do the jeep is stolen? Couldn't we also setup an alert to VJC members via text messaging so we are aware ones been stolen immediately instead of hours later when we ck website? Include description, color, lic., location, time. Then we immediately have more people aware right away. ??

[Markos]

I know this seems like a good idea but here's some food for though. If you wire this in line with a battery wire every time you flip the switch you will kill power to EVERYTHING. Yes, this will deter a thief, but it will also reset the memory in your PCM, radio, etc. This will erase all of your adaptives and OBDII readiness monitors which means you will never be able to pass emissions. Also, all your radio station presets will be erased every time.


Yeah that would suck. However, one could use neZZr's switch for anything, be it a starter kill switch, or a fuel pump kill switch.


Note: I offered to accept the switches and pay for shipping if neZZr is able to send some our way.

[TanTJJim]

Yeah that would suck. However, one could use neZZr's switch for anything, be it a starter kill switch, or a fuel pump kill switch.


Note: I offered to accept the switches and pay for shipping if neZZr is able to send some our way.

That's what I was thinking too, those switches could be really useful, I just wanted to make sure someone wasn't going to use it in a way that would cause them grief later on. I was actually looking at them thinking of all the possibilities. I love to tinker and you don't run across something that's built like that that can handle that kind of current for free very often. I can't belive BMW just throws them away.

[neZZr]

One snag I just discovered... and I've been curious how it could work given that there is no ground connection anywhere on this switch. I asked one of the techs, and what I didn't realize is that the two sections of the switch don't connect to eachother when they come in the car, they actually connect to a pre-installed wire that goes from under the rear seat into the trunk where the battery is.

I took the wiring apart and found a pin missing on the relay side, and after taking apart the switch I found the ground wire that I was curious about. I found a pigtail with the correct terminal so it goes together just like it should without any cutting/splicing and tested it, works great!

So there's two options... I can get the pigtail and modify it before I send it, or I can just send the switches over and you can modify it yourself. It's not difficult, but since the pigtails aren't free, you'll have to decide what you want.

I will post pictures later to show exactly what I had to do to get it to work.

[Markos]

NeZZr:

I'll take mine either way. If you want to add the pigtail, just include it in the shipping cost. I'd want to make sure that the pig tail was able to handle the appropriate current. I haven't really visualized what the issue is yet...

[neZZr]

The pig tail is just a ground for the relay trigger... it carries no significant current.

I think $10 shipped for the pre-wired switch, and $5 shipped for the do-it-yourself switch is fair... since shipping is probably $5 from here to AZ anyway.

[Markos]

Sounds good to me. I'll take a non-wired magnetic one if you have it. We'll wait an see what the gentlemen that PM'd us wants. You have my address.

ArizonaXJ, shoot me a PM if you want NeZZr to mail yours to my place.

[neZZr]

I just tried the magnetic one... and it works just as well. :D

It requires you to sort-of wave the magnet past the "on" position to turn it on, and even with a relativelty weak magnet, it seems to work from around ½" so it should work fine thru a piece of plastic like the dash panel or something.

[macinyart]

You can send mine to Markos too. No problem.

[John_P]

Hard top?

[ArizonaSunshine]

You can send mine to Markos too. No problem.

Ditto, Then I can get mine from ArizonaXJ

[neZZr]

Okay... I managed to find the actual terminals as a seperate part, so it's not as expensive as getting the whole connector for just the terminals that I need.

As a result, I'm going to just add the ground wire to all of them for the sake of simplicity. All I need to know from everyone is if you want the rocker switch or the magnetic switch. I do not have the magnets, however. But any magnet will work fine.

So everyone that wants one, PM me again and let me know rocker or magnetic. I'm going to make it $10 for the first one, and $5 for each extra one I can pack in the box. So if a few of you live near each other, work that out and let me know.

Here's the connector, you can see the missing pin on one side, this is because it plugs into a harness pre-wired in the car.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/connector.jpg

Here's the terminals I found

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/terminals.jpg

Fitting the new terminal into the connector

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/terminal_ground.jpg

And the completed kill switch, shown with the magnetic switch... also available as the rocker switch I posted earlier in the thread.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/switch_project.jpg

[amber.hodge]

http://www.atvaonline.com/News/06/images/KillSwitch.jpg
One that kills it at the gas point so any thief will think it is just a POS with a bad engine...
http://www.spyworld.net/AutoTaser2.jpg
The auto taser is probably a good idea for those with no children...might want to post a sticker to prevent being sued.....

And my personal fav........We could create a VJC ministry of defense and post these guys in the front lawn/ parking lot entrances and exits of every jeep owner's home in the club.....membership dues, of course, would have to raise a little to afford this.... :D

http://www.operations.mod.uk/telic/images/sea/wmik_ranges_hr.jpg

[1BLKJP]

Hey Amber, do you have a picture of what ever it was after they got done shooting. :D

[bearlycontained]

Okay... I managed to find the actual terminals as a seperate part, so it's not as expensive as getting the whole connector for just the terminals that I need.

As a result, I'm going to just add the ground wire to all of them for the sake of simplicity. All I need to know from everyone is if you want the rocker switch or the magnetic switch. I do not have the magnets, however. But any magnet will work fine.

So everyone that wants one, PM me again and let me know rocker or magnetic. I'm going to make it $10 for the first one, and $5 for each extra one I can pack in the box. So if a few of you live near each other, work that out and let me know.

Here's the connector, you can see the missing pin on one side, this is because it plugs into a harness pre-wired in the car.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/connector.jpg

Here's the terminals I found

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/terminals.jpg

Fitting the new terminal into the connector

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/terminal_ground.jpg

And the completed kill switch, shown with the magnetic switch... also available as the rocker switch I posted earlier in the thread.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b357/neZZr/Kill%20switch/switch_project.jpg

I am wondering if the magnetic one would wear out faster than the rocker one. How does it work?? Do you swipe a magnet for on and swipe again for off.

[amber.hodge]

OUR ministry of defense would not waste ammo in an effort to keep the dues down to members... :D :D However, I think this may be the scene at attempted jeep jackings had we our own ministry of defense:
http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2007/10/09/blackwater372x192.jpg

[neZZr]

I am wondering if the magnetic one would wear out faster than the rocker one. How does it work?? Do you swipe a magnet for on and swipe again for off.
Yes it is swipe-on, swipe-off. It's most likely a hall-effect switch... so there aren't really any moving parts.

The rocker switch version might be a nice choice because the switch itself can be easily replaced.

[bearlycontained]

Yes it is swipe-on, swipe-off. It's most likely a hall-effect switch... so there aren't really any moving parts.

The rocker switch version might be a nice choice because the switch itself can be easily replaced.

If something did go wrong with the magnet You could just cut it off and add a switch then right...Also if you don't have a plastic dash and had a metal or aluminum one would the magnet still work?

[ActualReverend]

Anyone in Flagstaff interested, we could save on shipping....


PM sent to you neZZr with my addy!
Will paypal work, or a personal check, or what would you like?

--Bryan

[neZZr]

If something did go wrong with the magnet You could just cut it off and add a switch then right...Also if you don't have a plastic dash and had a metal or aluminum one would the magnet still work?
Steel would probably affect it, aluminum should not. Yes, you could put a regular switch in place of the magnetic switch if you wanted.

Anyone in Flagstaff interested, we could save on shipping....


PM sent to you neZZr with my addy!
Will paypal work, or a personal check, or what would you like?
PayPal is probably easier.

Anyone that wants to get them shipped together as a group, I'd prefer that you work that out on your end and contact me as a group... just so it's easier to keep track of on my end.

[RokNRich]

If we're still brainstorming here -

Don't buy stolen parts ! These guys are stealing Jeeps and other custom vehicles because they know there's a market for the goodies. Making sure your purchases are legit will help.

:)

I'd also like one of the relays if there is one left.

Rich

[neZZr]

If we're still brainstorming here -

Don't buy stolen parts ! These guys are stealing Jeeps and other custom vehicles because they know there's a market for the goodies. Making sure your purchases are legit will help.

:)

I'd also like one of the relays if there is one left.

Rich
Very good point!

[neZZr]

I tried to make a separate section in the for sale section so this thread isn't hijacked anymore with the kill switch... and realized I can't because I'm not a forum sponsor. I didn't really realize it until I tried to make that thread, but I remember other people have been yelled at in the past for doing the same. Oops!

I hope I haven't upset anyone over this... and I plan to upgrade my account tomorrow after I get paid at my day job. :D

[Markos]

Edit:

NeZZr:

Thanks for getting back to me. I now have your paypal address, you have my shipping address. Just waiting to hear back from some folks. I have a lot of faith in german engineering. I think these will work out great!

Everyone in Phoenix that's interested. I'm in FH, and work in Tempe. I'll receive the package and handle the payment to save NeZZr the hassle. I sent a PM to those that seemed interested. If you don't have paypal, I can just buy it and you can pay me when we meet up. I'd prefer that you shoot me a PM and I'll give you my paypal address. I don't like to publish my email address online.

[John_P]

Don't know if this matters...but I have been prepping for a big grand canyon hike and have been visiting some remote trailheads...parking the jeep for nights. Anyhow, I was bit worried the last time out so I simply puleld the starter relay in the underhood fuse box.

[Markos]

Don't know if this matters...but I have been prepping for a big grand canyon hike and have been visiting some remote trailheads...parking the jeep for nights. Anyhow, I was bit worried the last time out so I simply puleld the starter relay in the underhood fuse box.

John:

There are a few other quick things you can do also, without spending any money. Perfect for situations like yours.


Unplug the ignition coill wire, but don't make it obvious.
Leave the transfer case in Neutral. Edit: I tried this today and the jeep still started. Don't know what the outcome for a TJ
Remove fuel pump relay.

[John_P]

John:

There are a few other quick things you can do also, without spending any money. Perfect for situations like yours.


Unplug the ignition coill wire, but don't make it obvious.
Leave the transfer case in Neutral.
Remove fuel pump relay.


Nice...I did not think about putting the T-case in neutral...I bet that would throw them for a loop!

The fuel pump relay is a good idea...but for some odd reason it was not as obvious at teh starter relay...is it located in the same box as the starter?

[ROKCRLR]

I'd like one of the relays as well.

[Wayco]

Nice...I did not think about putting the T-case in neutral...I bet that would throw them for a loop!

The fuel pump relay is a good idea...but for some odd reason it was not as obvious at teh starter relay...is it located in the same box as the starter?

Both relays are in that box, (passenger side, under hood) and they are INTERCHANGABLE. Taking them all out would be a hassle in my opinion. The BMW switch looks like a good idea, but a simple kill switch will do it too. Multiple switches are also a good idea, the longer it takes them to get it started, the better chance you have of catching them. This is all a moot point when they have a flat bed wrecker. Then it comes down to finding it fast, LOJAK. Any system can be defeated if they are pro's.....

[neZZr]

I agree about multiple switches, hidden in separate places. I'm going to put the BMW switch in to kill power to the starter, and another DPDT kill switch that cuts off the fuel pump relay and the starter relay. Since both switches would cut off the starter, my hope is that it could fool someone that finds one of the switches and make them give up.

Maybe we should put lock-out hubs on the rear axle too. :D

[Markos]

Sorry to hijack:

I've reached an acceptable limit for the first neZZr kill switch group buy. I'd like to test this modification out before we proceed with more purchases. Hopefully, if they get here soon we can have a writeup in a week or two. If anyone is dying to get one sooner, you might want to start a nother neZZr group buy. If not, I'll probably want another one for my car. Hang tight!

[neZZr]

I have started a separate thread concerning the kill switches here: http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=31352

Any questions and or comments (feedback please!) can be posted there, so now we can focus on coming up with some more ideas in this thread. Let's hear them!

[Sandollar]

WE NEED TO STOP OUR JEEPS FROM GETTING RIPPED OFF.
Throw idea's in here, nothing is to outragous, it might make something click to someone on how to come up with a sure fire anti- thieving device, or spotting device.
here is the idea's that have gone though my head:

why don't cops get bar code reader guns ..and plates have bar code under number, imagine how many plates they can scan while driving.

if a jeep is started without a key a bright neon sign lights up from under paint that says "this jeep has just been ripped off-call the police now"

what you have on your mind? let's hear it!!!! do we need to start a jeep possee?
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I am not a LEO but my guess would be that if everyone put an identifying mark on everything on their Jeep it would be the beginning of being able to pull a sting operation. I do not even know how this could be done but someone with training could think of something, most likely.

[04jeeptj]

Sorry to hijack:

I've reached an acceptable limit for the first neZZr kill switch group buy. I'd like to test this modification out before we proceed with more purchases. Hopefully, if they get here soon we can have a writeup in a week or two. If anyone is dying to get one sooner, you might want to start a nother neZZr group buy. If not, I'll probably want another one for my car. Hang tight!

Have you installed this yet? I got mine a couple days ago and might try installing tomorrow(Er today, sunday).

[Markos]

Have you installed this yet? I got mine a couple days ago and might try installing tomorrow(Er today, sunday).

Nah, I'll probably install it next Sunday. I have other more pressing vehicular issues to deal with, and I already have one kill switch in the jeep.

I know where I'm going to mount the terminals and route the switch. I just need to get to it!

[Wzzl13]

I just leave the wife in the Jeep. If they want the Jeep they get her... thats a deal i could live with.
:smilielol5:
I'm sure she appreciates that. But do know how ya feel.:beta1: