blooddrive
01-06-2004, 06:08 AM
69015-69040
69015 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:24am
Subject: RE: Coves
I have been out of town and just read this. I have over 700 VJC email LOL.
The Sierra Club at the coves clean up thread does seem to be getting out of
hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves
Randy see what you started when you thought about cleaning up the coves.
Let's just go 4 wheeling and clean the cove.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimmy lambertus" <jeepnazus@y...>
To: "Daver" <daver@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> Are you?
> Jim Lambertus
> --- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > Are you reading for comprehension?
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > Jim Lambertus
> > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > had
> > > > planned to go out
> > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > now.
> > > > I'll do it
> > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > way.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > been
> > > > a more direct
> > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > >
> > > > And I say to you:
> > > >
> > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > won't
> > > > even talk to the
> > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > Your
> > > > attitude will
> > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > >
> > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
> http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
69016 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:55am
Subject: Big Thanks to Desert Fab and 4:88 gears
I just want to Thank Todd at Desert Fab for the great job he did converting my 4cyl to a built 4.0 and a custom long arm kit for my YJ and putting in new axels high pinion I runs like a dream Todd thank You. Anybody needing fab work Todd is the man. I am running 4:88 and I scream down the freeway(speed limit of course (lol) Now I need to go off on a wild trail to work it out.
Rick Logan 92 YJ
69017 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:37pm
Subject: Ring and Pinion
Im trying to find whoe has the best prices on R&P sets as well as for a set
up guru who might be willing to teach an old dog how to set them up so I can
have my Jeep ready for the Parker trip.
Any help would be grewatly appreciated
TIA
Sharky
69018 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:21am
Subject: RE: Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Hi David,
I like your signature line. I think you'll like this pic. Even my
Rokrash has rock rash on it.
<Grin>
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave oboyle [mailto:arizonaXj@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:02 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; rv6a@mac.com; jallison@ag.arizona.edu
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Yea, they probablly just replaced a bad fuel filter.. And charged you
for
everything else..
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
>From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
>To: rv6a@mac.com, jallison@ag.arizona.edu
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:02:08 EST
>
>Allison,
> I have to agree... Load of bull****.. 2 reasons comes to mind...
>One,
>I
>can not for thelife of me figure out how the suspension would cut the
fuel
>line. 2, the fuel pump is in the tank, so if the line was cut, the in
>theroy, you would have been shoting gas al over the ground when we were
>trying to start it before I pulled you out. There was no gas, we
would
>have
>smelled it for sure... DO what Chris says..... "Show me the
damage.."
>
> Good luck
>
> John k
__________________________________________________ _______________
Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Attachment: (application/octet-stream) IMG_2904.JPG [not stored]
69019 From: Jason Jolley <jaedon511@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:14am
Subject: Wanted
looking for full soft doors any color and soft top hardware for a 91
YJ for a reasonable price. thanks
69020 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:02am
Subject: Re: for Sandee McCullen
Sandee,
Sorry about your loss. You are in my families prayers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Sandee McCullen
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] for Sandee McCullen
VJCers,
This past Friday, Sandee found that she had lost a very, very close friend.
If you could take a moment or two to keep her, and those she is with, in your thoughts and prayers, I am sure she would appreciate it very much.
Thanks……..Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TODD MCCULLEN [mailto:desertfab@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:25 PM
To: Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ATTN: BRAIN LUSE
She is doing OK, I am flying out wed. for the services, so I will see her then.
Thanks
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'TODD MCCULLEN'
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ATTN: BRAIN LUSE
Todd,
I heard about the loss of your Mom’s friend on Friday. How is your Mom doing?
Please tell her that my family’s prayers are with her and those she is with.
Thanks…….Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69022 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:05am
Subject: Re: Wave! White TJ on Camelback and Dysart.
it is entirely possible that was me. only thing is... my TJ is not all that pretty. well... pretty stock at least. brown top... white door skins. if it was me... here's a wave right back at ya... if not... here's a wave anyway!
----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Olson
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wave! White TJ on Camelback and Dysart.
Hey guys, this is my first time ever posting here. I would like to give a wave to the gentleman in the white TJ I saw this evening. It was about 5 o'clock and at the intersection of Camelback Rd. and Dysart rd. heading east. I would also like to compliment you on your Jeep. Sure does look nice!
Justin Olson
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
69023 From: Leonard Garcia <leonardg@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:03am
Subject: Re: AzVJC membership hits 2,200
From what I hear from other non-Jeep, non-4x4 clubs, on the average
only 10% to 20% of the members are active. Since it is too easy to
sign up to AzVJC (no fees, no meetings), more people sign up than on
other clubs, thus a higher difference between joined and active.
I also think that more members would participate if there were
more "easy" trail runs... look at the coves cleanup where 76 people
signed up. You don't see that turnout on trail runs with 3.0 to 4.5
difficulty. Beginners and many new club members get intimidated when
they just see hardcore or difficult runs posted.
We need more "easy" trail runs for newcomers to get their feet wet.
Leonard
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Other than the anniversary run I can't remember the last time I
went on
> a posted run. Of course I'm still running trails with members, we
just
> like to limit the group size to half a dozen. I think the majority
of
> people are doing this. We've all found our friends that we usually
wheel
> with. Once in a while we cross over and join another run. I think
I'll
> make an effort to try and be more inclusive and post some group runs
> again. It's not done on purpose, just sort of happens.
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:14 PM
> To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Leonard Garcia'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Big difference between Active membership and membership. In my
> experience/observations I think there is maybe just less then 300
active
> members.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: 'Leonard Garcia'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Link doesn't work.
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard Garcia [mailto:leonardg@a...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:55 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Number of people signed in to the AzVJC.org hit 2,200 today.
>
> You can see some interesting membership statistics, Jeep types
(most
> members have TJ, followed by YJ) at this link:
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/Main/Stats.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69024 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:02am
Subject: Hunter plays Spook Rally Strip Poker was Re: Spook Rally
Hehehehe!!
Well, I tried blackmailing Hunter for some fab work, in return, I would not
say anything, but that didn't work, so like a good little criminal, I have
to make good on my threats.
I guess it would help if your copilot was female, two hairy legged dudes
would just creep people out...(Hunter was with a woman.....this time).
You "wager" articles of clothing on whether or not you are making the
correct turn to get to the next checkpoint.
If the 2 people agree on the direction, no clothing is at stake, only if
they disagree. Both persons have to actually go in to the checkpoint in
their current state of dress as they arrived.
I think Hunter was looking for a "Creative" way to get naked with his date.
Of course, it would have helped if he wasn't always wrong about the
direction to turn.
Perhaps now that "The cat is out of the bag" Hunter will elaborate on the
rules.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
To: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> This is a little late but....
>
> I was glad to see you all (Bill, Scott, Neal, John, Janice, Jim
> Lambertus......) at the Spook Rally, and I will pass the praises along to
> the rest of the AZ Rough Riders. Those folks put a lot of their time and
> life into this event and they really appreciate your wonderful comments.
I
> will print the emails and read them out load at the next ARR meeting.
Again
> thanks for your compliments and I am glad that you had a great time.
>
> Oh by the way, are we going to let John get away so easily? Everybody at
> the Rally heard about his innovative trail running approach. He has set a
> new standard at the Spook Rally and I am thinking about adopting his idea
> for the next year's Jeep games or even a Check Point!!
>
> John, I need some details about your adventure. Just the rules, no
personal
> details are necessary of coarse ;)
>
> Nasser P.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
>
> Bwahahaha! You are evil Bill:)
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > I had fun as well.
> > It was good spending time with family and friends.
> > It definitely was an exciting weekend for people named "John"...
> > but I'll let them tell their stories if so inclined.
> >
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> >
> >
> > > I agree, it was a huge blast, this was my first rally as well and
> I
> > > had a great time!! Thanks to Neal for helping me get second in the
> > > Jeep Polo:) It is a bit tough to win though, I was only .157 miles
> > > over what the actual mileage was supposed to be and ended up with
> > > fifth or sixth, the first three actually all had it right on!! I
> am
> > > definitely going again next year.:)
> > >
> > > Thanks to Nasser, Chris V. and all the ARR for their hard work in
> > > putting this event on.
> > >
> > > Scott Maiden
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., <gotrox@c...> wrote:
> > > > Spook was a blast! Thanks to Nasser and his fellow Arizona Rough
> > > Riders. Even with the ominous clouds and torrential down pours we
> > > left at 6:42. It was the most fun I think I have had with my
> family
> > > in one evening. We got scared out of our skin, lost (once) and
> > > trivial challenged with the clue sheets. Good thing my wife has a
> > > Masters and great navigational skills, or we might have ended up
> in
> > > Crown King. <grin>
> > > >
> > > > Also they had jeep games Saturday afternoon. ,
> > > > -Jeep Polo
> > > > -Lab Tech
> > > >
> > > > So if you have never done the rally, you should it is a great
> time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Neal Han****,
> > > > Arizona Rock Crawlers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69025 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: [MS] 40th Street and Cambell
I saw that Jeep on Monday too at the same place.....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill" <bill@j...> wrote:
> Apparently you're there about every day during the week and maybe
> weekends. Red YJ, lifted, cool looking. Do you own Pronto
Ristorante
> perhaps?
69026 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:25am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally
Yeah John, how do those rules go again? I know there was drinking involved, and checkpoints and penalties for answering the questions wrong. I am just glad I wasn't the gooles at that checkpoints, I am sure you scared the sh!t out of them.
hehehehe
<Big Grin>
Neal
69027 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Hunter plays Spook Rally Strip Poker was Re: Spook Rally
Yeah John tell us how you had to stop and put your pants on! Or how
cold it was when you went through checkpoint 4.
Thanks Bill
toooo funny
neal
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Hehehehe!!
> Well, I tried blackmailing Hunter for some fab work, in return, I
would not
> say anything, but that didn't work, so like a good little criminal,
I have
> to make good on my threats.
>
> I guess it would help if your copilot was female, two hairy legged
dudes
> would just creep people out...(Hunter was with a woman.....this
time).
> You "wager" articles of clothing on whether or not you are making
the
> correct turn to get to the next checkpoint.
> If the 2 people agree on the direction, no clothing is at stake,
only if
> they disagree. Both persons have to actually go in to the
checkpoint in
> their current state of dress as they arrived.
>
> I think Hunter was looking for a "Creative" way to get naked with
his date.
> Of course, it would have helped if he wasn't always wrong about the
> direction to turn.
>
> Perhaps now that "The cat is out of the bag" Hunter will elaborate
on the
> rules.
>
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
> To: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
>
>
> > This is a little late but....
> >
> > I was glad to see you all (Bill, Scott, Neal, John, Janice, Jim
> > Lambertus......) at the Spook Rally, and I will pass the praises
along to
> > the rest of the AZ Rough Riders. Those folks put a lot of their
time and
> > life into this event and they really appreciate your wonderful
comments.
> I
> > will print the emails and read them out load at the next ARR
meeting.
> Again
> > thanks for your compliments and I am glad that you had a great
time.
> >
> > Oh by the way, are we going to let John get away so easily?
Everybody at
> > the Rally heard about his innovative trail running approach. He
has set a
> > new standard at the Spook Rally and I am thinking about adopting
his idea
> > for the next year's Jeep games or even a Check Point!!
> >
> > John, I need some details about your adventure. Just the rules,
no
> personal
> > details are necessary of coarse ;)
> >
> > Nasser P.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:45 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> >
> > Bwahahaha! You are evil Bill:)
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > > I had fun as well.
> > > It was good spending time with family and friends.
> > > It definitely was an exciting weekend for people named "John"...
> > > but I'll let them tell their stories if so inclined.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree, it was a huge blast, this was my first rally as well
and
> > I
> > > > had a great time!! Thanks to Neal for helping me get second
in the
> > > > Jeep Polo:) It is a bit tough to win though, I was only .157
miles
> > > > over what the actual mileage was supposed to be and ended up
with
> > > > fifth or sixth, the first three actually all had it right
on!! I
> > am
> > > > definitely going again next year.:)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Nasser, Chris V. and all the ARR for their hard
work in
> > > > putting this event on.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Maiden
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., <gotrox@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Spook was a blast! Thanks to Nasser and his fellow Arizona
Rough
> > > > Riders. Even with the ominous clouds and torrential down
pours we
> > > > left at 6:42. It was the most fun I think I have had with my
> > family
> > > > in one evening. We got scared out of our skin, lost (once) and
> > > > trivial challenged with the clue sheets. Good thing my wife
has a
> > > > Masters and great navigational skills, or we might have ended
up
> > in
> > > > Crown King. <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Also they had jeep games Saturday afternoon. ,
> > > > > -Jeep Polo
> > > > > -Lab Tech
> > > > >
> > > > > So if you have never done the rally, you should it is a
great
> > time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal Han****,
> > > > > Arizona Rock Crawlers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
69028 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:29am
Subject: [FS] 31 10.50 on 15s
Price: $250
Contact: (480)982-8498
I have four 31 10.50 15 bfg at's with near perfect tread. will deliver them any where in the valley.
Justin Ryan
69029 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Is Flex Over-Rated?
Well.....I may as well continue to beat this horse with a "real world" example
of too much flex on a particular trail. I will also say that there are times
when a lot of flex helps. But this is a case where it really hurt!!! Some
guys on this list may have been at this trip when it happened.
Anaconda!!! I ran this with a buddy of mine about 2 years ago. His CJ7 is
REALLY built with Vortec 350, 4L60E, D44 rear, Currie 9" front, 4:1 t-case, SOA
front, and 1/4 elliptic rear. This thing is a flex MONSTER. Here is a link to
some pictures:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22015053/22016377AszSeseNGq
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22015053/22016328laXTbiytCh
These were taken on Anaconda, and YES, that is still functional. What we found
was that the holes were WAY deeper than his suspension could reach. The
massive flex gave a lot of rear steer and would pull him off of the rock face
that he needed to be climbing. Also, the flex broke heims and such. He had
not installed limiting straps which would have helped. He ended up needing a
winch on a few of the falls because of this problem. The guys behind him that
were SOA made it up with much less difficulty. Our tires just floated over the
holes and allowed us to keep traction on the climbing tire.
Now look at this picture:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22047015/22047096gIgUyLUukC
This happened on the way out. Turns out the flex had caused his rear pinion to
push into the upper "A" of his 3 link and bent the arm. We did not notice it
until the climb out when it completely buckled and put him on his side!!!
So this was one situation where the massive flex did not help and actually
hurt. BUT!!! Had he had limiting straps for this particular trail and
situation, he would have made it with flying colors. A lot of flex is
sometimes good, and sometimes bad. Does that help?? ;-)
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
69030 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:46am
Subject: RE: Ring and Pinion
The cheapest price usually will get you soft import gears. The best price I
have seen for good quality gears (Genuine gears) are at 4 Wheel wholesale. I
can set them up for you and teach you how. I charge $150 per axel.
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
Im trying to find whoe has the best prices on R&P sets as well as for a set
up guru who might be willing to teach an old dog how to set them up so I can
have my Jeep ready for the Parker trip.
Any help would be grewatly appreciated
TIA
Sharky
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69031 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:26am
Subject: RE: HOW DO YOU get off of this list???
You have to send a blank e-mail to this address from each email account you want removed.
az_vjc-unsubscibe@yahoogroups.com
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: bbowski66@aol.com [mailto:bbowski66@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:06 AM
To: az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] HOW DO YOU get off of this list???
I am curious as to how I can be taken off of the AZVJC webring?? I have recently changed states and the ring is of no use anymore. It was great while it lasted. Please remove both of my accounts---BBowski66@aol.com and Aliral17@aol.com
thanks BRANDON
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69032 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:57am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the
t-case. If (when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no
doubt that I'd be unhappy with my current gearing. So my
opinion is that you should go to at least 4.88 (assuming
you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that allow
even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level
(5.12 or 5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
69033 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:00am
Subject: HELP-- need parts
I have a friend who is just starting to lift his jeep. I am looking for someone with a set of lift spings or any other parts for lifting a TJ doesn't really matter what dbrand at this time. ( beggers cant be choosers )
please let me know if you have anything floating around.
Eric 480-650-3887
69034 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
Yup, you'll *need* (note: not "want") rear disk with the auto. When I did the auto swap the rear drums (running 35 tires) weren't even tolerable. On the trail they were down right dangerous. The rear disk swap has made a *TON* of difference, and this is running 35's. It will be worse with drums, running 37's.
Regarding the ZJ disk swap, as mentioned you need some custom retainer plates. I've been told by the person who made them original, that he's out and has no plans to produce any more. You can check with Tera. They are coming out with a rear disk conversion "for all TJ's". I had talked to them a few months back and they had told me "in a few months"... You could also see if anyone has a set of the retainers around still, and get some made to match them. I'm sure that there is a market for 'em ;)
BTW, the ZJ and Explorer rear disk are really similiar, but, besides the bolt pattern, the calibers are a little different, and the pads themselves are a little different. You can swap cailbers between them, but the pads have to follow the cailbers.
Another option, for a direct bolt in replacement, assuming you have a D44 in the rear, is to get a set of 9" ends, several places sell them, including Tera. Cut the ends off the D44 and weld the 9" ends in place (this is what Currie does with the D44's that they sell with disk brakes). This allows the Explorer rear disk to bolt right up 100%. It also allows the bigger 9" bearings to be used.
BTW, Scott, you asked me to get back with you regarding the combo valve. Just last night, I swapped in the combo valve from a '98 ZJ and also the master cylinder. The difference is amazing. I'll know this afternoon, when I drive home, or maybe even at lunch, if the combo valve solved the pre-load on the rear calibers. Right now I'm 95% sure it did. The other thing is that the M/C from the ZJ furnishes more volumn to the rear brakes, and the difference in the pedal is great !!!
Interestingly enough, a couple of the parts stores (Autozone, Checker), show the same part number for the M/C for the TJ's and ZJ's. Talking to my friend at the Jeep dealership, she assured me that they aren't the same. I checked the numbers on the M/C itself (they are made by Bendix) and sure enough, they are different, so I went on and purchased it.
Rear drums (or actually the wheel cylinders) require less volumn of brake fluid then calibers. The M/C for a disk/drum setup (like TJ's) are made to supply less volumn to the rear wheel cylinders. M/C for a disk/disk setup (ZJ's) supply more volumn to the rear cailbers.
I'm happy now !!!
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: joey@joekul.com ; 'Halverson'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
Joey K is right. You definitely want discs in the back. My rear drums were tolerable with 35's but damn dangerous with 37's and this was with the 5 speed that I could downshift to slow down. Now that I have 37's and an auto I wouldn't even want to attempt to drive it without some rear discs back there. Please, factor this into the cost of your upgrade.
If you have a Dana 44 talk to Stu about his ZJ disc swap. You'll need some custom retainer plates. If you have a 35 don't bother, swap in an 8.8 with discs. It's amazing how fast my Explorer discs will stop my Jeep with 37's. The ZJ and Explorer discs are damn near identical except for the bolt pattern on the end of the axle housing. Explorer discs can also be swapped onto a 44.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:55 PM
To: 'Halverson'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
With the auto tranny and the larger tire size you might want to consider disc brakes too. Or larger drums.
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
Hi all,
I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build up of my jeep.
This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just skip the 35" stage).
My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an auto and a 6 cyl.
Any insight is appreciated.
(The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69035 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:03am
Subject: RE: Re: 37's and gears
Roger,
He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for that. He'd
be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-case. If
(when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be unhappy
with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that
allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level (5.12 or
5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69036 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:04am
Subject: RE: Re: 37's and gears
BTW,
Though my 4.56 felt a little on the high side with the 5 speed, they
feel great with the 4 speed auto.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:03 AM
To: 'tomas2691'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
Roger,
He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for that. He'd
be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-case. If
(when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be unhappy
with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that
allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level (5.12 or
5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69037 From: Brian Hayes <bhayes@p...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Wanted
I've got full soft doors, top, all windows, the rails that attach the top to
the jeep, and the bars that hold it up. This is all off my '94 YJ that was
totalled back in April. The windows aren't in that great of condition, but
you can see through them, no rips or tears anywhere.
> looking for full soft doors any color and soft top hardware for a 91
> YJ for a reasonable price. thanks
>
69038 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:19am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
I dont know about old ladies passing me on the freeway, because I
can do 90 with 35s and 4.88 gears. I can also do the one wheeled
wheelies around corners and spin my tires if I want. -Rob
PS Nothing is funnier then a big ol Jeep with 35s smoking a riceboy
off the line at a red light! :D LMAO
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> John,
>
> I have 4.56's and 37's.
>
> The 4 speed auto in my TJ (swapped from XJ) turns 2650 RPM at 75
MPH
> when the converter locks up in 4th gear. (.75 OD) This is perfect
for
> where and how I drive.
>
> My old 5 speed manual ran about 150 rpms higher in 5th. (.79 OD) A
> little math explains why. (2650 x .79) / .75 = 2791 RPM.
>
> Of course the standard TJ 3 speed auto that you have is a different
> story. Lets see if I can do some more math to convert to the 1:1
drive
> gear if you had 4.56 gears. (2650 x 1) / .75 = 3533 RPM. If you
slow
> down to 65 MPH on the freeway: (3533x65)/75=3061 RPM.
>
> So there you have it. My experiences with 37's and 4.56's and a
stab at
> what that would net with your 3 speed auto. I think you'd be fine
with
> the 4.56's. Any higher such as 4.10s and you'll have poor
acceleration,
> any lower such as 4.88 and old ladies would be passing you on the
> freeway.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Scott K
> 99 TJ
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
>
>
> Well I run 4.56's with the 5spd and I can still run fifth gear all
> the way to the trail, plenty good for around town too. Scott K
also
> has 4.56's and just went to an auto so he'll have to chime in
about
> that.
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after
a
> while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second
build
> up of my jeep.
> > This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
> skip the 35" stage).
> >
> > My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
> auto and a 6 cyl.
> >
> > Any insight is appreciated.
> >
> > (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69039 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
...mine is a 3 speed auto... I have no problems.... I was redlining
the Jeep when I had 32" tires on there, but now I'm up to 35s they
feel almost right... just a little off. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for
that. He'd
> be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
>
>
> I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-
case. If
> (when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be
unhappy
> with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
> least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles
that
> allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level
(5.12 or
> 5.13?).
>
> For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
> prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
> road.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after
a
> while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second
build
> up of my jeep.
> > This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
> skip the 35" stage).
> >
> > My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
> auto and a 6 cyl.
> >
> > Any insight is appreciated.
> >
> > (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69040 From: <B4141@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:57am
Subject: Tire wear ????
My passenger side rear tire is wearing much, much faster than the other three. It's an '83 CJ5 with a limited slip rear end. 33 12.50 tires ...
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Brent Pace
69015 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:24am
Subject: RE: Coves
I have been out of town and just read this. I have over 700 VJC email LOL.
The Sierra Club at the coves clean up thread does seem to be getting out of
hand.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@j...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 1:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves
Randy see what you started when you thought about cleaning up the coves.
Let's just go 4 wheeling and clean the cove.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
----- Original Message -----
From: "jimmy lambertus" <jeepnazus@y...>
To: "Daver" <daver@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:52 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> Are you?
> Jim Lambertus
> --- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > Are you reading for comprehension?
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > Jim Lambertus
> > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > had
> > > > planned to go out
> > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > now.
> > > > I'll do it
> > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > way.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > been
> > > > a more direct
> > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > >
> > > > And I say to you:
> > > >
> > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > won't
> > > > even talk to the
> > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > Your
> > > > attitude will
> > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > >
> > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
> __________________________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Y! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your web site
> http://webhosting.yahoo.com/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
ADVERTISEMENT
69016 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 5:55am
Subject: Big Thanks to Desert Fab and 4:88 gears
I just want to Thank Todd at Desert Fab for the great job he did converting my 4cyl to a built 4.0 and a custom long arm kit for my YJ and putting in new axels high pinion I runs like a dream Todd thank You. Anybody needing fab work Todd is the man. I am running 4:88 and I scream down the freeway(speed limit of course (lol) Now I need to go off on a wild trail to work it out.
Rick Logan 92 YJ
69017 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 11:37pm
Subject: Ring and Pinion
Im trying to find whoe has the best prices on R&P sets as well as for a set
up guru who might be willing to teach an old dog how to set them up so I can
have my Jeep ready for the Parker trip.
Any help would be grewatly appreciated
TIA
Sharky
69018 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:21am
Subject: RE: Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Hi David,
I like your signature line. I think you'll like this pic. Even my
Rokrash has rock rash on it.
<Grin>
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave oboyle [mailto:arizonaXj@hotmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 11:02 PM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; rv6a@mac.com; jallison@ag.arizona.edu
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Yea, they probablly just replaced a bad fuel filter.. And charged you
for
everything else..
Dave
Rock Rash is better than Road Rash Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
>From: hunteroffroad@aol.com
>To: rv6a@mac.com, jallison@ag.arizona.edu
>CC: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
>Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2002 12:02:08 EST
>
>Allison,
> I have to agree... Load of bull****.. 2 reasons comes to mind...
>One,
>I
>can not for thelife of me figure out how the suspension would cut the
fuel
>line. 2, the fuel pump is in the tank, so if the line was cut, the in
>theroy, you would have been shoting gas al over the ground when we were
>trying to start it before I pulled you out. There was no gas, we
would
>have
>smelled it for sure... DO what Chris says..... "Show me the
damage.."
>
> Good luck
>
> John k
__________________________________________________ _______________
Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN.
http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Attachment: (application/octet-stream) IMG_2904.JPG [not stored]
69019 From: Jason Jolley <jaedon511@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:14am
Subject: Wanted
looking for full soft doors any color and soft top hardware for a 91
YJ for a reasonable price. thanks
69020 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:02am
Subject: Re: for Sandee McCullen
Sandee,
Sorry about your loss. You are in my families prayers!
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Sandee McCullen
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:36 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] for Sandee McCullen
VJCers,
This past Friday, Sandee found that she had lost a very, very close friend.
If you could take a moment or two to keep her, and those she is with, in your thoughts and prayers, I am sure she would appreciate it very much.
Thanks……..Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: TODD MCCULLEN [mailto:desertfab@msn.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 1:25 PM
To: Stu Olson
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] ATTN: BRAIN LUSE
She is doing OK, I am flying out wed. for the services, so I will see her then.
Thanks
Todd
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'TODD MCCULLEN'
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:02 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] ATTN: BRAIN LUSE
Todd,
I heard about the loss of your Mom’s friend on Friday. How is your Mom doing?
Please tell her that my family’s prayers are with her and those she is with.
Thanks…….Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69022 From: Sean Speer <seanspeer@m...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:05am
Subject: Re: Wave! White TJ on Camelback and Dysart.
it is entirely possible that was me. only thing is... my TJ is not all that pretty. well... pretty stock at least. brown top... white door skins. if it was me... here's a wave right back at ya... if not... here's a wave anyway!
----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Olson
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Wave! White TJ on Camelback and Dysart.
Hey guys, this is my first time ever posting here. I would like to give a wave to the gentleman in the white TJ I saw this evening. It was about 5 o'clock and at the intersection of Camelback Rd. and Dysart rd. heading east. I would also like to compliment you on your Jeep. Sure does look nice!
Justin Olson
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
69023 From: Leonard Garcia <leonardg@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:03am
Subject: Re: AzVJC membership hits 2,200
From what I hear from other non-Jeep, non-4x4 clubs, on the average
only 10% to 20% of the members are active. Since it is too easy to
sign up to AzVJC (no fees, no meetings), more people sign up than on
other clubs, thus a higher difference between joined and active.
I also think that more members would participate if there were
more "easy" trail runs... look at the coves cleanup where 76 people
signed up. You don't see that turnout on trail runs with 3.0 to 4.5
difficulty. Beginners and many new club members get intimidated when
they just see hardcore or difficult runs posted.
We need more "easy" trail runs for newcomers to get their feet wet.
Leonard
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Other than the anniversary run I can't remember the last time I
went on
> a posted run. Of course I'm still running trails with members, we
just
> like to limit the group size to half a dozen. I think the majority
of
> people are doing this. We've all found our friends that we usually
wheel
> with. Once in a while we cross over and join another run. I think
I'll
> make an effort to try and be more inclusive and post some group runs
> again. It's not done on purpose, just sort of happens.
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:14 PM
> To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Leonard Garcia'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Big difference between Active membership and membership. In my
> experience/observations I think there is maybe just less then 300
active
> members.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: 'Leonard Garcia'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Link doesn't work.
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard Garcia [mailto:leonardg@a...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 2:55 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] AzVJC membership hits 2,200
>
>
> Number of people signed in to the AzVJC.org hit 2,200 today.
>
> You can see some interesting membership statistics, Jeep types
(most
> members have TJ, followed by YJ) at this link:
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/Main/Stats.asp
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69024 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:02am
Subject: Hunter plays Spook Rally Strip Poker was Re: Spook Rally
Hehehehe!!
Well, I tried blackmailing Hunter for some fab work, in return, I would not
say anything, but that didn't work, so like a good little criminal, I have
to make good on my threats.
I guess it would help if your copilot was female, two hairy legged dudes
would just creep people out...(Hunter was with a woman.....this time).
You "wager" articles of clothing on whether or not you are making the
correct turn to get to the next checkpoint.
If the 2 people agree on the direction, no clothing is at stake, only if
they disagree. Both persons have to actually go in to the checkpoint in
their current state of dress as they arrived.
I think Hunter was looking for a "Creative" way to get naked with his date.
Of course, it would have helped if he wasn't always wrong about the
direction to turn.
Perhaps now that "The cat is out of the bag" Hunter will elaborate on the
rules.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
To: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:52 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> This is a little late but....
>
> I was glad to see you all (Bill, Scott, Neal, John, Janice, Jim
> Lambertus......) at the Spook Rally, and I will pass the praises along to
> the rest of the AZ Rough Riders. Those folks put a lot of their time and
> life into this event and they really appreciate your wonderful comments.
I
> will print the emails and read them out load at the next ARR meeting.
Again
> thanks for your compliments and I am glad that you had a great time.
>
> Oh by the way, are we going to let John get away so easily? Everybody at
> the Rally heard about his innovative trail running approach. He has set a
> new standard at the Spook Rally and I am thinking about adopting his idea
> for the next year's Jeep games or even a Check Point!!
>
> John, I need some details about your adventure. Just the rules, no
personal
> details are necessary of coarse ;)
>
> Nasser P.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
>
> Bwahahaha! You are evil Bill:)
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > I had fun as well.
> > It was good spending time with family and friends.
> > It definitely was an exciting weekend for people named "John"...
> > but I'll let them tell their stories if so inclined.
> >
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> >
> >
> > > I agree, it was a huge blast, this was my first rally as well and
> I
> > > had a great time!! Thanks to Neal for helping me get second in the
> > > Jeep Polo:) It is a bit tough to win though, I was only .157 miles
> > > over what the actual mileage was supposed to be and ended up with
> > > fifth or sixth, the first three actually all had it right on!! I
> am
> > > definitely going again next year.:)
> > >
> > > Thanks to Nasser, Chris V. and all the ARR for their hard work in
> > > putting this event on.
> > >
> > > Scott Maiden
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., <gotrox@c...> wrote:
> > > > Spook was a blast! Thanks to Nasser and his fellow Arizona Rough
> > > Riders. Even with the ominous clouds and torrential down pours we
> > > left at 6:42. It was the most fun I think I have had with my
> family
> > > in one evening. We got scared out of our skin, lost (once) and
> > > trivial challenged with the clue sheets. Good thing my wife has a
> > > Masters and great navigational skills, or we might have ended up
> in
> > > Crown King. <grin>
> > > >
> > > > Also they had jeep games Saturday afternoon. ,
> > > > -Jeep Polo
> > > > -Lab Tech
> > > >
> > > > So if you have never done the rally, you should it is a great
> time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Neal Han****,
> > > > Arizona Rock Crawlers
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
69025 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: [MS] 40th Street and Cambell
I saw that Jeep on Monday too at the same place.....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill" <bill@j...> wrote:
> Apparently you're there about every day during the week and maybe
> weekends. Red YJ, lifted, cool looking. Do you own Pronto
Ristorante
> perhaps?
69026 From: <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:25am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally
Yeah John, how do those rules go again? I know there was drinking involved, and checkpoints and penalties for answering the questions wrong. I am just glad I wasn't the gooles at that checkpoints, I am sure you scared the sh!t out of them.
hehehehe
<Big Grin>
Neal
69027 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Hunter plays Spook Rally Strip Poker was Re: Spook Rally
Yeah John tell us how you had to stop and put your pants on! Or how
cold it was when you went through checkpoint 4.
Thanks Bill
toooo funny
neal
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Hehehehe!!
> Well, I tried blackmailing Hunter for some fab work, in return, I
would not
> say anything, but that didn't work, so like a good little criminal,
I have
> to make good on my threats.
>
> I guess it would help if your copilot was female, two hairy legged
dudes
> would just creep people out...(Hunter was with a woman.....this
time).
> You "wager" articles of clothing on whether or not you are making
the
> correct turn to get to the next checkpoint.
> If the 2 people agree on the direction, no clothing is at stake,
only if
> they disagree. Both persons have to actually go in to the
checkpoint in
> their current state of dress as they arrived.
>
> I think Hunter was looking for a "Creative" way to get naked with
his date.
> Of course, it would have helped if he wasn't always wrong about the
> direction to turn.
>
> Perhaps now that "The cat is out of the bag" Hunter will elaborate
on the
> rules.
>
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Nasser" <nasser88@c...>
> To: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
>
>
> > This is a little late but....
> >
> > I was glad to see you all (Bill, Scott, Neal, John, Janice, Jim
> > Lambertus......) at the Spook Rally, and I will pass the praises
along to
> > the rest of the AZ Rough Riders. Those folks put a lot of their
time and
> > life into this event and they really appreciate your wonderful
comments.
> I
> > will print the emails and read them out load at the next ARR
meeting.
> Again
> > thanks for your compliments and I am glad that you had a great
time.
> >
> > Oh by the way, are we going to let John get away so easily?
Everybody at
> > the Rally heard about his innovative trail running approach. He
has set a
> > new standard at the Spook Rally and I am thinking about adopting
his idea
> > for the next year's Jeep games or even a Check Point!!
> >
> > John, I need some details about your adventure. Just the rules,
no
> personal
> > details are necessary of coarse ;)
> >
> > Nasser P.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:45 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> >
> > Bwahahaha! You are evil Bill:)
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> > > I had fun as well.
> > > It was good spending time with family and friends.
> > > It definitely was an exciting weekend for people named "John"...
> > > but I'll let them tell their stories if so inclined.
> > >
> > >
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Scott Maiden" <bermboy@h...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:46 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Spook Rally
> > >
> > >
> > > > I agree, it was a huge blast, this was my first rally as well
and
> > I
> > > > had a great time!! Thanks to Neal for helping me get second
in the
> > > > Jeep Polo:) It is a bit tough to win though, I was only .157
miles
> > > > over what the actual mileage was supposed to be and ended up
with
> > > > fifth or sixth, the first three actually all had it right
on!! I
> > am
> > > > definitely going again next year.:)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks to Nasser, Chris V. and all the ARR for their hard
work in
> > > > putting this event on.
> > > >
> > > > Scott Maiden
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., <gotrox@c...> wrote:
> > > > > Spook was a blast! Thanks to Nasser and his fellow Arizona
Rough
> > > > Riders. Even with the ominous clouds and torrential down
pours we
> > > > left at 6:42. It was the most fun I think I have had with my
> > family
> > > > in one evening. We got scared out of our skin, lost (once) and
> > > > trivial challenged with the clue sheets. Good thing my wife
has a
> > > > Masters and great navigational skills, or we might have ended
up
> > in
> > > > Crown King. <grin>
> > > > >
> > > > > Also they had jeep games Saturday afternoon. ,
> > > > > -Jeep Polo
> > > > > -Lab Tech
> > > > >
> > > > > So if you have never done the rally, you should it is a
great
> > time.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Neal Han****,
> > > > > Arizona Rock Crawlers
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
69028 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:29am
Subject: [FS] 31 10.50 on 15s
Price: $250
Contact: (480)982-8498
I have four 31 10.50 15 bfg at's with near perfect tread. will deliver them any where in the valley.
Justin Ryan
69029 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Re: Re: Is Flex Over-Rated?
Well.....I may as well continue to beat this horse with a "real world" example
of too much flex on a particular trail. I will also say that there are times
when a lot of flex helps. But this is a case where it really hurt!!! Some
guys on this list may have been at this trip when it happened.
Anaconda!!! I ran this with a buddy of mine about 2 years ago. His CJ7 is
REALLY built with Vortec 350, 4L60E, D44 rear, Currie 9" front, 4:1 t-case, SOA
front, and 1/4 elliptic rear. This thing is a flex MONSTER. Here is a link to
some pictures:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22015053/22016377AszSeseNGq
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22015053/22016328laXTbiytCh
These were taken on Anaconda, and YES, that is still functional. What we found
was that the holes were WAY deeper than his suspension could reach. The
massive flex gave a lot of rear steer and would pull him off of the rock face
that he needed to be climbing. Also, the flex broke heims and such. He had
not installed limiting straps which would have helped. He ended up needing a
winch on a few of the falls because of this problem. The guys behind him that
were SOA made it up with much less difficulty. Our tires just floated over the
holes and allowed us to keep traction on the climbing tire.
Now look at this picture:
http://community.webshots.com/photo/22047015/22047096gIgUyLUukC
This happened on the way out. Turns out the flex had caused his rear pinion to
push into the upper "A" of his 3 link and bent the arm. We did not notice it
until the climb out when it completely buckled and put him on his side!!!
So this was one situation where the massive flex did not help and actually
hurt. BUT!!! Had he had limiting straps for this particular trail and
situation, he would have made it with flying colors. A lot of flex is
sometimes good, and sometimes bad. Does that help?? ;-)
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
69030 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:46am
Subject: RE: Ring and Pinion
The cheapest price usually will get you soft import gears. The best price I
have seen for good quality gears (Genuine gears) are at 4 Wheel wholesale. I
can set them up for you and teach you how. I charge $150 per axel.
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 5:38 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Ring and Pinion
Im trying to find whoe has the best prices on R&P sets as well as for a set
up guru who might be willing to teach an old dog how to set them up so I can
have my Jeep ready for the Parker trip.
Any help would be grewatly appreciated
TIA
Sharky
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69031 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:26am
Subject: RE: HOW DO YOU get off of this list???
You have to send a blank e-mail to this address from each email account you want removed.
az_vjc-unsubscibe@yahoogroups.com
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: bbowski66@aol.com [mailto:bbowski66@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 12:06 AM
To: az_vjc@YahooGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] HOW DO YOU get off of this list???
I am curious as to how I can be taken off of the AZVJC webring?? I have recently changed states and the ring is of no use anymore. It was great while it lasted. Please remove both of my accounts---BBowski66@aol.com and Aliral17@aol.com
thanks BRANDON
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69032 From: tomas2691 <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:57am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the
t-case. If (when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no
doubt that I'd be unhappy with my current gearing. So my
opinion is that you should go to at least 4.88 (assuming
you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that allow
even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level
(5.12 or 5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
69033 From: <AphroDsyak@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 3:00am
Subject: HELP-- need parts
I have a friend who is just starting to lift his jeep. I am looking for someone with a set of lift spings or any other parts for lifting a TJ doesn't really matter what dbrand at this time. ( beggers cant be choosers )
please let me know if you have anything floating around.
Eric 480-650-3887
69034 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
Yup, you'll *need* (note: not "want") rear disk with the auto. When I did the auto swap the rear drums (running 35 tires) weren't even tolerable. On the trail they were down right dangerous. The rear disk swap has made a *TON* of difference, and this is running 35's. It will be worse with drums, running 37's.
Regarding the ZJ disk swap, as mentioned you need some custom retainer plates. I've been told by the person who made them original, that he's out and has no plans to produce any more. You can check with Tera. They are coming out with a rear disk conversion "for all TJ's". I had talked to them a few months back and they had told me "in a few months"... You could also see if anyone has a set of the retainers around still, and get some made to match them. I'm sure that there is a market for 'em ;)
BTW, the ZJ and Explorer rear disk are really similiar, but, besides the bolt pattern, the calibers are a little different, and the pads themselves are a little different. You can swap cailbers between them, but the pads have to follow the cailbers.
Another option, for a direct bolt in replacement, assuming you have a D44 in the rear, is to get a set of 9" ends, several places sell them, including Tera. Cut the ends off the D44 and weld the 9" ends in place (this is what Currie does with the D44's that they sell with disk brakes). This allows the Explorer rear disk to bolt right up 100%. It also allows the bigger 9" bearings to be used.
BTW, Scott, you asked me to get back with you regarding the combo valve. Just last night, I swapped in the combo valve from a '98 ZJ and also the master cylinder. The difference is amazing. I'll know this afternoon, when I drive home, or maybe even at lunch, if the combo valve solved the pre-load on the rear calibers. Right now I'm 95% sure it did. The other thing is that the M/C from the ZJ furnishes more volumn to the rear brakes, and the difference in the pedal is great !!!
Interestingly enough, a couple of the parts stores (Autozone, Checker), show the same part number for the M/C for the TJ's and ZJ's. Talking to my friend at the Jeep dealership, she assured me that they aren't the same. I checked the numbers on the M/C itself (they are made by Bendix) and sure enough, they are different, so I went on and purchased it.
Rear drums (or actually the wheel cylinders) require less volumn of brake fluid then calibers. The M/C for a disk/drum setup (like TJ's) are made to supply less volumn to the rear wheel cylinders. M/C for a disk/disk setup (ZJ's) supply more volumn to the rear cailbers.
I'm happy now !!!
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: joey@joekul.com ; 'Halverson'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 3:17 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
Joey K is right. You definitely want discs in the back. My rear drums were tolerable with 35's but damn dangerous with 37's and this was with the 5 speed that I could downshift to slow down. Now that I have 37's and an auto I wouldn't even want to attempt to drive it without some rear discs back there. Please, factor this into the cost of your upgrade.
If you have a Dana 44 talk to Stu about his ZJ disc swap. You'll need some custom retainer plates. If you have a 35 don't bother, swap in an 8.8 with discs. It's amazing how fast my Explorer discs will stop my Jeep with 37's. The ZJ and Explorer discs are damn near identical except for the bolt pattern on the end of the axle housing. Explorer discs can also be swapped onto a 44.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 10:55 PM
To: 'Halverson'
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
With the auto tranny and the larger tire size you might want to consider disc brakes too. Or larger drums.
-----Original Message-----
From: Halverson [mailto:byrnec@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] 37's and gears
Hi all,
I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build up of my jeep.
This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just skip the 35" stage).
My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an auto and a 6 cyl.
Any insight is appreciated.
(The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
69035 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:03am
Subject: RE: Re: 37's and gears
Roger,
He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for that. He'd
be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-case. If
(when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be unhappy
with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that
allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level (5.12 or
5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69036 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:04am
Subject: RE: Re: 37's and gears
BTW,
Though my 4.56 felt a little on the high side with the 5 speed, they
feel great with the 4 speed auto.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 9:03 AM
To: 'tomas2691'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
Roger,
He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for that. He'd
be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-case. If
(when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be unhappy
with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles that
allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level (5.12 or
5.13?).
For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
road.
-Roger
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after a
while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second build
up of my jeep.
> This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
skip the 35" stage).
>
> My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
auto and a 6 cyl.
>
> Any insight is appreciated.
>
> (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
>
> John Halverson
> '99TJ
> '51CJ3A
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69037 From: Brian Hayes <bhayes@p...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Wanted
I've got full soft doors, top, all windows, the rails that attach the top to
the jeep, and the bars that hold it up. This is all off my '94 YJ that was
totalled back in April. The windows aren't in that great of condition, but
you can see through them, no rips or tears anywhere.
> looking for full soft doors any color and soft top hardware for a 91
> YJ for a reasonable price. thanks
>
69038 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:19am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
I dont know about old ladies passing me on the freeway, because I
can do 90 with 35s and 4.88 gears. I can also do the one wheeled
wheelies around corners and spin my tires if I want. -Rob
PS Nothing is funnier then a big ol Jeep with 35s smoking a riceboy
off the line at a red light! :D LMAO
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> John,
>
> I have 4.56's and 37's.
>
> The 4 speed auto in my TJ (swapped from XJ) turns 2650 RPM at 75
MPH
> when the converter locks up in 4th gear. (.75 OD) This is perfect
for
> where and how I drive.
>
> My old 5 speed manual ran about 150 rpms higher in 5th. (.79 OD) A
> little math explains why. (2650 x .79) / .75 = 2791 RPM.
>
> Of course the standard TJ 3 speed auto that you have is a different
> story. Lets see if I can do some more math to convert to the 1:1
drive
> gear if you had 4.56 gears. (2650 x 1) / .75 = 3533 RPM. If you
slow
> down to 65 MPH on the freeway: (3533x65)/75=3061 RPM.
>
> So there you have it. My experiences with 37's and 4.56's and a
stab at
> what that would net with your 3 speed auto. I think you'd be fine
with
> the 4.56's. Any higher such as 4.10s and you'll have poor
acceleration,
> any lower such as 4.88 and old ladies would be passing you on the
> freeway.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Scott K
> 99 TJ
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@h...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:34 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
>
>
> Well I run 4.56's with the 5spd and I can still run fifth gear all
> the way to the trail, plenty good for around town too. Scott K
also
> has 4.56's and just went to an auto so he'll have to chime in
about
> that.
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after
a
> while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second
build
> up of my jeep.
> > This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
> skip the 35" stage).
> >
> > My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
> auto and a 6 cyl.
> >
> > Any insight is appreciated.
> >
> > (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69039 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Re: 37's and gears
...mine is a 3 speed auto... I have no problems.... I was redlining
the Jeep when I had 32" tires on there, but now I'm up to 35s they
feel almost right... just a little off. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Roger,
>
> He's running a 3 speed auto. 4.88's would be way too deep for
that. He'd
> be redlining it on the freeway. ;D
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tomas2691 [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 29, 2002 8:57 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: 37's and gears
>
>
> I run 4.56 gears with 35" tires. I also have a 4:1 in the t-
case. If
> (when?) I were to go to 37" tires, I have no doubt that I'd be
unhappy
> with my current gearing. So my opinion is that you should go to at
> least 4.88 (assuming you have a 5-speed). If you're running axles
that
> allow even lower gears, I'd suggest considering the next level
(5.12 or
> 5.13?).
>
> For context, I do a lot of rock crawling which is why I
> prefer fairly low gears. But I also drive my Jeep on the
> road.
>
> -Roger
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Halverson" <byrnec@q...> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I'm sure that most of you know how your jeep grows smaller after
a
> while, well, I run 33's and 3.73's and am planning the second
build
> up of my jeep.
> > This includes an RE 5.5 longarm and 37" tires (I think I'll just
> skip the 35" stage).
> >
> > My question is; What gears do you guys run with 37's? I have an
> auto and a 6 cyl.
> >
> > Any insight is appreciated.
> >
> > (The savings account is growing and the day is getting closer)
> >
> > John Halverson
> > '99TJ
> > '51CJ3A
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
69040 From: <B4141@a...>
Date: Tue Oct 29, 2002 2:57am
Subject: Tire wear ????
My passenger side rear tire is wearing much, much faster than the other three. It's an '83 CJ5 with a limited slip rear end. 33 12.50 tires ...
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Brent Pace