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68914 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 3:49am
Subject: Re: I am glad I own a YJ!!!!
Well, I was just pointing out the fact that Yjs can flex better than
1/2 of TJs(your original comment;P), I never said they were better.
But in fact I did outflex 90% of the Tj's there. Believe it or not, I
too have other bills to pay, not as many as you and some others but
enough:) And Hackle never gets into these as he has a Stock YJ;P (ok
Nearly Stock) Well Im off to work to get money for more Jeep Mods:)
Its been fun.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> The conrol arms arent the question at hand...but if you want to go
> there...with shocks that were too short and the short arms that you
want to
> point out it still out ramps you. Some of us have other bills than
our Jeeps
> so when the time comes that Im ready to have long arms built than I
will. Now
> if youd like to say that it cost more to build a TJ than a YJ...I
will give
> you that...but you always want to point out how much better YJs are
than TJs
> yet havent made any valid points to back that up.
> Easy on the Jeep God thing...its not very becoming of you :)
and it will
> pass with age.
> Concidering that Hackle ramps way over a 1000 he should be doing
the YJ
> bragging but he has age on his side. :)
> Well its been fun...these TJ vs. YJ convo are always sooo much
fun. hehehe
> Later
> Sharky(and his short arm TJ)
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68915 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:16am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Scott,
This is way cool.
There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
the torque convertor from locking up.
I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
some splicing that prevents this?
Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
drive shaft?
Where the heck is that write up? LOL
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
were
> happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
>
> http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
>
> So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
high
> 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
been a
> Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
every
> day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
will
> be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
post
> a link.
>
> I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
whenever he
> could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
TJ
> and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
the TJ
> PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
I had
> everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
THANKS
> STU!!!
>
>
> Scott K
68916 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:18am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Oh yeah, one more question, where is the breather located on the AW4?
I hope it has a tube that you can locate high, unlike the TF999.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
68917 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:07am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
That is so cool! Cangrats!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: AZ_VJC
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We were happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4 transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a high 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's been a Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time every day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I will be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and post a link.
I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by whenever he could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the TJ and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into the TJ PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that I had everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%. THANKS STU!!!
Scott K
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68918 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:13am
Subject: YJ out of Surgery
Today I get my YJ back from Desert Fab(Thanks Todd) New custom Long arm, changed from 4cyl to built 6cyl new axel all high pinion (thanks Barry at 4wheelers) I now have anti rock and other goodies ready to tear it up now looks to nice. I am looking to break it out Nov 3 maybe Annilatior, highway to hell mmmmmmmm anybody up to it need new dings now
Rick Logan 92 YJ
68919 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:15am
Subject: RE: lube points on a 94 YJ
They could have been replaced with U-Joints that do not have grease
zerks. I have two that do and four that don't. One on an end of each
drive shaft have the fittings and the rest including the front axel do
not have them.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] lube points on a 94 YJ
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know the total number of lube points
> on a 94 YJ? I count 5 total, all toward or at
> the front of the jeep. But I have a jeep manual
> that shows a grease nipple on a u joint. I took
> a good look at my u joints and I don't see any
> grease nipples.
>
> Tony
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
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68920 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:16am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, October 26, 2002
Hello All,
Mark Longfield lead a trail run Saturday, October 26, 2002 across Unspecified
Hey!
It was good wheelin' with ya all!
We had a total of 8 vehicles, 6 Toy's and 2 Jeeps. BajaTaco (Taco), Fourbychef (SAS'd Doublecab), Heatstroke (Taco), Steve S (THE 'RUNNER), Captain Kirk (Taco), ParaJeeper (TJ) and Bob Carney (ASA4WDC, Scrambler) made up the group.
Every one made it thru w/ no major damage- Fourbychef who was tailgunner and had to fight thru all our slop, tossed tire due to the really slick mud. I had an already damaged T'case mount finish failing on the exit road to Mayer. (What's that knockin' noise? Just the C/V tappin on the cross member) Weather wise, we were really lucky- it had hailed and snowed in Prescott and Chino Valley, all we got was light rain early in the trail, and some heavier showers on the last couple of hills.
I ended up doing the majority of the trail without being locked on the right hub! My wife had locked ot in for me, and I walked around and un-locked it again
Chris (BajaTaco) and I have another local trail to take ya on- IF ya don't mind gettin' some pin stripping. It's the Maverick Ridge Trail due south of Prescott. It's more hill climbs, a few rocks, no bad off-camber stuff and some very nice scenery. The lower section near Waggoner is almost Sedona like. We could make a full day of it from Waggoner up Pole Camp Canyon some time. It's open till the first heavy snow flies- the trail is literaly on TOP of the mountains, a narrow ridge two track.
Squinko- we just missed ya! We pulled out at 9:40- I should have provided directions to everyone just for that reason. We were movin' SLOW enough all day (due to Steve's pal ) for anyone to have caught up.
Chris- DOH!! sorry about the pic's. Guess I'm a digital camera challenged individual
K-ton, glad to have been able to assist- that was actually the nuttiest part of the trail for me! I didn't tell my wife, but the truck actually started to go over, it rocked pretty good- but the bottom side tires in the ditch stopped it- Nasty, slimy stuff-
ParaJeeper- your welcome anytime! Nice TJ!
Later!!
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68921 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Raw Deal
Nope I would not be upset at all. I know it happens (leaving trash on
the trail) and I make efforts to clean up after the misguided ignorant
runts of the OHV community.
I have no problem asking the target shooter(s) that use the public to
help clean up after their comrades.
As a matter of fact, as soon as a flier becomes available I will print a
bunch off and deliver them to the shops that sell ammo and fire arms.
All in hopes of getting these people out there to the Table Mesa area.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric [mailto:parajeeper02@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:43 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal
>
>
> Again I was not defending anyone just asking all of you to stop
> passing blame to other groups and start working with them, If I had
> made a comment on a shooting or Dirt-bike board about Jeepers similar
> to the ones that were made about Shooters then you would be upset as
> well.........
> -- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Eric,
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > Hold on a second.....please slow down.
> >
> > #1. I've no idea how long you have been involved with the AZVJC.
> From
> > your comments, it does not sound like you have been on the cleanups
> we
> > have helped on at Table Mesa. If so, your comments don't seem to
> stack
> > up to what you would have experienced out there while on a cleanup.
> >
> > #2. We have helped clean up the Table Mesa primary shooting areas
> > several times (at least I have) and frankly, it is very much like
> > pissing into the wind. A month after you did it, it looks the same
> > again.
> >
> > #3. I am very glad to hear you pick up your brass....thank you (I
> too
> > shoot and reload, etc.)
> >
> > #4. A LOT of people that shoot at Table Mesa DO NOT pick up their
> > brass, targets, back stops, etc. If you doubt this, please drive
> out
> > there on a nice weekend, park your butt up on a nice
> overlook (being
> > careful not to get shot) and watch them with a good pair of
> binoculars.
> > I accompanied a large group (about 50) of state and federal land
> > management agency people out there just this past weekend. I feel
> > confident they can back up my claim that the place looked like a
> ****
> > hole.
> >
> > #5. It is too bad you were offended by the previous
> comment....however,
> > you can check last year's participant list....the list that you
> sign in
> > on when they give you the trash bags so you can clean up (Table
> Mesa).
> > You will find that vast majority of those signing up are off-
> roaders of
> > some type (and they are not the wants making that mess). Please
> do not
> > stand on a soap box and preach about how the shooters at Table Mesa
> take
> > care of their own mess! THEY DO NOT!
> >
> > #6. Last year's cleanup saw people posting notices of the cleanup
> at
> > shooting stores, etc. I was told that gun clubs were invited,
> etc. See
> > #5 above as to how many shooters participated. (ie., people who
> ONLY
> > shoot and do NOT also off-road)
> >
> > #7. Please do NOT tell me that it is just illegal dumpers that
> leave
> > everything out there and it is the innocent shooters that come
> along and
> > pump it full of bullet holes. Bull****! Let me tell you of a
> > conversation that was related to me just last
> night.....some friends
> > were over and off-roading, shooting, camping, etc. came up during
> > conversation. The person said "You should have seen what my cousin
> did
> > a while ago. They had a bunch of computer equipment that they
> didn't
> > want. They took all of it and a portable generator out to the
> desert.
> > They got all of the equipment up and running and then proceeded to
> shoot
> > it all up." Sorry....that was not simply a case of illegal
> > dumping....that was people wanting to see arcs and sparks when they
> shot
> > video terminals, etc.
> >
> > I love to shoot....I own more guns than I have time to use.
> However,
> > just like irresponsible OHV users......stupid shooters give the
> > responsible ones a black eye too. It is time to stop
> defending them
> > (and being offended when someone points them out) and time to start
> > getting them shut down (ie., arrested, fined, ticketed, guns
> > confiscated, etc.)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric [mailto:parajeeper02@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:42 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal
> >
> > That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> > because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> > know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
> >
> > Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> > community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
> shoot.
> > I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
> > so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
> >
> >
> > First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
> have
> > no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> > albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
> in
> > every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> > times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
> >
> > There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
> hikers,
> > campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
> > ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> > OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
> taking
> > care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> > areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> > the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> > different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
> > want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work
> as
> > seperate entities.
> >
> > -- Eric
> > - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> > Recreationist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> > happen, only
> > > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than
> a
> > range,
> > > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
> them
> > (as far
> > > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
> and
> > brass is
> > > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
> > shooters are
> > > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
> is
> > just my
> > > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
> places
> > we should
> > > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning
> up
> > these
> > > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
> and
> > brass
> > > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> > maintain the
> > > grounds that they stand on....
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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68922 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:40am
Subject: RE: [Tech] 99 Jeep Wrangler Sport - Items to cover when steam cleaning engine?
Maybe the computer connectors too.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:52 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 99 Jeep Wrangler Sport - Items to cover when steam cleaning engine?
This may sound simple to you veterans, but I have only steam cleaned OLDER engines... on a fuel injected, inline 6, 4.0L Wrangler, other than battery, alternator & air intake, what other items should be covered before steam cleaning engine? Thank you for all responses. Any tips, hints, etc?
Leonard Garcia
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68923 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:04am
Subject: Re: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
James (et al),
I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first gear ratio
is on the AW4.
You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one, remember,
this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder or worry
about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio", etc.
With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1 that I
removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I had the
manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of the TF999
is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can, literally, go as
slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop and just
sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving at all. I
can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let of the
gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs and 4 arms
to work everything ;)
Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now develop some
wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off camber
spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it. With the 4:1
(especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any wheel
speed. Now I can ;)
I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to rock crawl
;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
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>
>
68924 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:04am
Subject: RE: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
James,
Since Scott is still sleeping, (grin) I'll take a stab at a couple of
those questions.
Scott and I discussed the switch options you indicated. At this point,
they are not installed, but can be added quite easily (in comparison to
the rest of the wiring that has already been done). Scott wanted to see
how it performed on the trail in LO range (as it is currently
configured) before making any other changes.
The harness was made up ahead of time.....Scott was working on getting
the pilot bearing out while I was soldering and heat shrinking the
harness extensions. There are about 8 connections to be made to the
existing TJ wire harness. The other dozen or so connections run from
the TCM (tranny control module) to the tranny itself. While you could
certainly open the TJ wire loom and prep those wires for connection to
the AW-4 harness, there is currently no way to "plug and play" this into
the TJ.
As for Scott's SYE, yes, it is done and installed. The new CV rear
shaft is 2" longer than the one it replaced when he was running the
AX-15 and RE SYE with the 8.8" rear. That one was a bit over extended,
IMO, for that setup. I'm just glad that Scott had not spent the money
on a new drive shaft and then decided to do the AW-4 swap.
Needless to say, Scott was quite happy when he rowed the tranny selector
through the positions and the AW-4 responded. He was holding his breath
as we started down the street from his house.....hoping that the wiring
was all correct and that the TCM would cause the tranny to shift
automatically.....AND IT DID! (as for me, I was just glad the thing was
working! LOL)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:17 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Scott,
This is way cool.
There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
the torque convertor from locking up.
I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
some splicing that prevents this?
Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
drive shaft?
Where the heck is that write up? LOL
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
were
> happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
>
> http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
>
> So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
high
> 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
been a
> Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
every
> day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
will
> be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
post
> a link.
>
> I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
whenever he
> could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
TJ
> and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
the TJ
> PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
I had
> everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
THANKS
> STU!!!
>
>
> Scott K
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68925 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:05am
Subject: RE: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Yes, the breather lends itself well to being extended, unlike the TF999.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Oh yeah, one more question, where is the breather located on the AW4?
I hope it has a tube that you can locate high, unlike the TF999.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
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68926 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:29am
Subject: RE: Is Flex Over-Rated?
Owning and driving one of those stiff CJs and wheeling relatively difficult trails myself; I can tell you that the stiffer the Jeep the faster it will roll over in certain situations.
Take for instance driving up the ramp (yea, I know there are no ramps off road, but there are big rocks that will do the same thing&) A flexy rig will drive a considerable distance up the ramp. If you take your non-flexy rig and try to drive the same distance up the ramp youll flop on your side.
However you can go too far the other way, really flexy generally means a really soft suspension on side hills this introduces A LOT of body roll. And can tip you over sooner than a stiff suspension would. The ultimate goal is to find a balance between the two worlds that YOU are comfortable with.
Currently I am building a rock-ready rig. My plan is to use ¼ elliptical leafs so that I can add or remove leafs to get the balance that I want. Im also planning on using something like the Currie Off-Road sway bar and I plan on using that to fine-tune my suspension so that it performs how I want it to off-road. The advantage of any leaf system over coils is that in order to change the stiffness of the suspension it is just a matter of adding or removing leafs. To really change the stiffness of a coil suspension you have to swap out the entire coil.
- Mike
68927 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:46am
Subject: IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Attention Everyone! I just got off the phone with Detective Michael Evans of the Tempe Police Department. It seems that a thief posted some items on our classifieds section. If you've ever bought or traded for anything from a MARK SPEER please contact the Detective at the number listed below. The following items were listed:
94 YJ Parting Out (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54632
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54633
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) -- Apparently a double-post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54634
YJ Hard-top (May 28, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54847
4.0 HO 6 Cyl (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55205
4 Speed Automatic Transmission (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55206
New Process 231 Transfer-case (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55207
Trade 2000 dollar laptop 3 months old for 35 inch mud terrains (Jun 23, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/57005
Trade Laptop 900mhz for New Winch (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59034
Trade Laptop for Jet Stage 3 or Venom 400 (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59035
Note that not all of these items may have been stolen, but at this point I wouldn't take a chance. Also don't worry, if you did purchase one of these items, you're not in trouble, but you will be able to help the detective. If you did any business with MARK SPEER it is important that you contact:
Detective Michael Evans 11813
Tempe Police Department
Criminal Investigations Bureau
480-350-8063
Thank you,
- Mike Chatfield
AzVJC Webmaster.
68928 From: Janice Allison <jallison@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:49am
Subject: Spook Rally & TJ question
Hi,
Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a few beers
with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who was very
helpful in helping me find the Rally.
Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed the
rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone with
them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut; probably by my
suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel pump. Two
weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it was probably
due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-1/2
months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
* Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in working on my
Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due to my
suspension)?
* Is it possible that the lift installation is actually causing these
problems?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for another
$225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
Jan
Janice Allison, Business Manager
University of Arizona
Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
(602) 470-8086, ext. 362
68929 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:02am
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Please be aware that I ccd the detective on this message, so if you reply to it, be sure to remove his e-mail address from the reply, unless you want the reply to go to him as well,
Thanks,
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:46 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Cc: 'Evans, Michael'
Subject: [az_vjc] IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Attention Everyone! I just got off the phone with Detective Michael Evans of the Tempe Police Department. It seems that a thief posted some items on our classifieds section. If you've ever bought or traded for anything from a MARK SPEER please contact the Detective at the number listed below. The following items were listed:
94 YJ Parting Out (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54632
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54633
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) -- Apparently a double-post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54634
YJ Hard-top (May 28, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54847
4.0 HO 6 Cyl (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55205
4 Speed Automatic Transmission (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55206
New Process 231 Transfer-case (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55207
Trade 2000 dollar laptop 3 months old for 35 inch mud terrains (Jun 23, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/57005
Trade Laptop 900mhz for New Winch (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59034
Trade Laptop for Jet Stage 3 or Venom 400 (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59035
Note that not all of these items may have been stolen, but at this point I wouldn't take a chance. Also don't worry, if you did purchase one of these items, you're not in trouble, but you will be able to help the detective. If you did any business with MARK SPEER it is important that you contact:
Detective Michael Evans 11813
Tempe Police Department
Criminal Investigations Bureau
480-350-8063
Thank you,
- Mike Chatfield
AzVJC Webmaster.
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68930 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:05am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Fred,
I have an auto (tf999).... I was wondering the difference for street
performance. Not having to have low gears to get off the line at a
light would be nice. Kind of like a switch between a th400 and a
700r4, the 700r4 not only has more pickup from a stop it has the
overdrive.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> James (et al),
> I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first
gear ratio
> is on the AW4.
> You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one,
remember,
> this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder
or worry
> about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio",
etc.
> With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1
that I
> removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I
had the
> manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of
the TF999
> is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can,
literally, go as
> slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop
and just
> sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving
at all. I
> can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let
of the
> gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs
and 4 arms
> to work everything ;)
> Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now
develop some
> wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off
camber
> spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it.
With the 4:1
> (especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any
wheel
> speed. Now I can ;)
> I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to
rock crawl
> ;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
>
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > This is way cool.
> > There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4
and I
> > was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> > kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> > the torque convertor from locking up.
> > I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually
had
> > to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> > you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time?
In
> > other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is
there
> > some splicing that prevents this?
> >
> > Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is
compared
> > to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
> >
> > Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> > drive shaft?
> >
> > Where the heck is that write up? LOL
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive.
(We
> > were
> > > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> > >
> > > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> > >
> > > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went
for a
> > > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each
other a
> > high
> > > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> > been a
> > > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free
time
> > every
> > > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the
place. I
> > will
> > > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> > post
> > > a link.
> > >
> > > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> > whenever he
> > > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> > TJ
> > > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> > the TJ
> > > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in
a
> > > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> > I had
> > > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> > THANKS
> > > STU!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
68931 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:06am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Thanks.... can't wait to see the write up.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> James,
>
> Since Scott is still sleeping, (grin) I'll take a stab at a couple
of
> those questions.
>
> Scott and I discussed the switch options you indicated. At this
point,
> they are not installed, but can be added quite easily (in
comparison to
> the rest of the wiring that has already been done). Scott wanted
to see
> how it performed on the trail in LO range (as it is currently
> configured) before making any other changes.
>
> The harness was made up ahead of time.....Scott was working on
getting
> the pilot bearing out while I was soldering and heat shrinking the
> harness extensions. There are about 8 connections to be made to the
> existing TJ wire harness. The other dozen or so connections run
from
> the TCM (tranny control module) to the tranny itself. While you
could
> certainly open the TJ wire loom and prep those wires for connection
to
> the AW-4 harness, there is currently no way to "plug and play" this
into
> the TJ.
>
> As for Scott's SYE, yes, it is done and installed. The new CV rear
> shaft is 2" longer than the one it replaced when he was running the
> AX-15 and RE SYE with the 8.8" rear. That one was a bit over
extended,
> IMO, for that setup. I'm just glad that Scott had not spent the
money
> on a new drive shaft and then decided to do the AW-4 swap.
>
> Needless to say, Scott was quite happy when he rowed the tranny
selector
> through the positions and the AW-4 responded. He was holding his
breath
> as we started down the street from his house.....hoping that the
wiring
> was all correct and that the TCM would cause the tranny to shift
> automatically.....AND IT DID! (as for me, I was just glad the
thing was
> working! LOL)
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:17 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
>
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
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68932 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:10am
Subject: Kevin"s rock sliderz.
I know someone in the club is using these. Are they as good as
advertised and do they bend down when stood on?
68933 From: Steve Adams <stevepadams@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:40am
Subject: test
68934 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:47am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally & TJ question
Why would the suspension cut the fuel line? If I recall, it doesn't
touch the fuel line in any location. Sounds like a load of buill to me.
Go to them and have them physically show you how it happened and what
part of the suspension caused it.
Chris
On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Janice Allison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a few
> beers
> with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who was
> very
> helpful in helping me find the Rally.
>
> Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed the
> rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
> working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone with
> them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut; probably
> by my
> suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel pump.
> Two
> weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it was
> probably
> due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-1/2
> months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
> * Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in working on
> my
> Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due to my
> suspension)?
> * Is it possible that the lift installation is actually causing
> these
> problems?
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for another
> $225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
>
> Jan
>
>
> Janice Allison, Business Manager
> University of Arizona
> Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
> (602) 470-8086, ext. 362
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68935 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:56am
Subject: [FS] Hard Top w/metal doors for 1984 Wrangler
Price: negotiable
Contact: Shannon Trimpro@cox.net
Looking for hard top with metal doors for my brother-in-law's 84 Wrangler.........
Shannon Grenz
68936 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:02am
Subject: Re: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Mmmmm, I get around town every bit as fast after I swapped in the TF999 as
when I had the A-15. Actually I get around town *faster*.. The TF999 is so
much easier on the driveline, I, *literally* don't know that the Detroit is
in the rear. I'ld let anyone drive the Jeep now. Before, with the manual, I
wouldn't, because of the Detroit.
Anyway, I just as "fast off the line" with the TF999 (actually I'm sometimes
faster), then I was with the AX-15.
Note that I'm not a fast driver at any rate. My Jeep is setup for the rocks
and on road driving. If I had wanted something fast around town and on the
highway, I would have bought a '65 Cobra or something. The Jeeps are about
as aerodynamic as a brick. If someone is looking for a drag off the line,
they can win. I'm waaaaay past that 16 year old stage ;) The kid in the
Camero can take me at the stop lights, I'll take him in the rocks ;)
Anyway all kidding aside, mine (with the TF999) is not slow or sluggish off
the line. It's quite crisp. As I said, I'm not an aggressive driver. The
auto actually shifts at a higher RPM (around town) than I used to with the
manual. I was in 5th gear with the A-15 at 45 mph.
If your tranny is acting sluggish or like it's slipping, it may (depending
on year, miles, how hot you've let it get, and how often you've changed the
fluid) be time for a band adjustment and a look at the clutch packs.
Mine shifts crispy and I don't even notice it most the time.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> Fred,
>
> I have an auto (tf999).... I was wondering the difference for street
> performance. Not having to have low gears to get off the line at a
> light would be nice. Kind of like a switch between a th400 and a
> 700r4, the 700r4 not only has more pickup from a stop it has the
> overdrive.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > James (et al),
> > I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first
> gear ratio
> > is on the AW4.
> > You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one,
> remember,
> > this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder
> or worry
> > about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio",
> etc.
> > With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1
> that I
> > removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I
> had the
> > manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of
> the TF999
> > is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can,
> literally, go as
> > slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop
> and just
> > sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving
> at all. I
> > can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let
> of the
> > gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs
> and 4 arms
> > to work everything ;)
> > Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now
> develop some
> > wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off
> camber
> > spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it.
> With the 4:1
> > (especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any
> wheel
> > speed. Now I can ;)
> > I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to
> rock crawl
> > ;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> >
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > This is way cool.
> > > There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4
> and I
> > > was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> > > kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> > > the torque convertor from locking up.
> > > I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually
> had
> > > to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
> that
> > > you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time?
> In
> > > other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is
> there
> > > some splicing that prevents this?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is
> compared
> > > to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
> > >
> > > Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
> rear
> > > drive shaft?
> > >
> > > Where the heck is that write up? LOL
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > > > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive.
> (We
> > > were
> > > > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> > > >
> > > > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> > > >
> > > > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went
> for a
> > > > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
> AW4
> > > > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each
> other a
> > > high
> > > > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> > > been a
> > > > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free
> time
> > > every
> > > > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the
> place. I
> > > will
> > > > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
> and
> > > post
> > > > a link.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> > > whenever he
> > > > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
> the
> > > TJ
> > > > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> > > the TJ
> > > > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in
> a
> > > > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
> that
> > > I had
> > > > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> > > THANKS
> > > > STU!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68937 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:02am
Subject: Re: Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Allison,
I have to agree... Load of bull****.. 2 reasons comes to mind... One, I can not for thelife of me figure out how the suspension would cut the fuel line. 2, the fuel pump is in the tank, so if the line was cut, the in theroy, you would have been shoting gas al over the ground when we were trying to start it before I pulled you out. There was no gas, we would have smelled it for sure... DO what Chris says..... "Show me the damage.."
Good luck
John k
68938 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:03am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally & TJ question
I agree with Chris K., I don't know of anywhere the fuel line
crosses close enough to the suspension to cut the line. I think
this is one of those (sorry to say it, but it is true) where they
see you as a female and are telling you a fish story thinking you
won't question it. I have seen this with both my wife when taking
in her vehicle on occasion and my mother-in-law has called me to ask
me similar questions, they sure change their tune when they here a
different voice asking them the questions.
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Why would the suspension cut the fuel line? If I recall, it
doesn't
> touch the fuel line in any location. Sounds like a load of buill
to me.
>
> Go to them and have them physically show you how it happened and
what
> part of the suspension caused it.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Janice Allison wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a
few
> > beers
> > with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who
was
> > very
> > helpful in helping me find the Rally.
> >
> > Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed
the
> > rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
> > working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone
with
> > them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut;
probably
> > by my
> > suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel
pump.
> > Two
> > weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it
was
> > probably
> > due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-
1/2
> > months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
> > * Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in
working on
> > my
> > Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due
to my
> > suspension)?
> > * Is it possible that the lift installation is actually
causing
> > these
> > problems?
> > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for
another
> > $225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> > Janice Allison, Business Manager
> > University of Arizona
> > Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
> > (602) 470-8086, ext. 362
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
68914 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 3:49am
Subject: Re: I am glad I own a YJ!!!!
Well, I was just pointing out the fact that Yjs can flex better than
1/2 of TJs(your original comment;P), I never said they were better.
But in fact I did outflex 90% of the Tj's there. Believe it or not, I
too have other bills to pay, not as many as you and some others but
enough:) And Hackle never gets into these as he has a Stock YJ;P (ok
Nearly Stock) Well Im off to work to get money for more Jeep Mods:)
Its been fun.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> The conrol arms arent the question at hand...but if you want to go
> there...with shocks that were too short and the short arms that you
want to
> point out it still out ramps you. Some of us have other bills than
our Jeeps
> so when the time comes that Im ready to have long arms built than I
will. Now
> if youd like to say that it cost more to build a TJ than a YJ...I
will give
> you that...but you always want to point out how much better YJs are
than TJs
> yet havent made any valid points to back that up.
> Easy on the Jeep God thing...its not very becoming of you :)
and it will
> pass with age.
> Concidering that Hackle ramps way over a 1000 he should be doing
the YJ
> bragging but he has age on his side. :)
> Well its been fun...these TJ vs. YJ convo are always sooo much
fun. hehehe
> Later
> Sharky(and his short arm TJ)
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68915 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:16am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Scott,
This is way cool.
There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
the torque convertor from locking up.
I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
some splicing that prevents this?
Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
drive shaft?
Where the heck is that write up? LOL
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
were
> happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
>
> http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
>
> So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
high
> 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
been a
> Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
every
> day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
will
> be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
post
> a link.
>
> I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
whenever he
> could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
TJ
> and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
the TJ
> PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
I had
> everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
THANKS
> STU!!!
>
>
> Scott K
68916 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 5:18am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Oh yeah, one more question, where is the breather located on the AW4?
I hope it has a tube that you can locate high, unlike the TF999.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
68917 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:07am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
That is so cool! Cangrats!
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: AZ_VJC
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:52 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We were happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4 transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a high 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's been a Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time every day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I will be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and post a link.
I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by whenever he could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the TJ and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into the TJ PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that I had everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%. THANKS STU!!!
Scott K
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68918 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:13am
Subject: YJ out of Surgery
Today I get my YJ back from Desert Fab(Thanks Todd) New custom Long arm, changed from 4cyl to built 6cyl new axel all high pinion (thanks Barry at 4wheelers) I now have anti rock and other goodies ready to tear it up now looks to nice. I am looking to break it out Nov 3 maybe Annilatior, highway to hell mmmmmmmm anybody up to it need new dings now
Rick Logan 92 YJ
68919 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:15am
Subject: RE: lube points on a 94 YJ
They could have been replaced with U-Joints that do not have grease
zerks. I have two that do and four that don't. One on an end of each
drive shaft have the fittings and the rest including the front axel do
not have them.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 11:09 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] lube points on a 94 YJ
>
>
>
>
> Does anyone know the total number of lube points
> on a 94 YJ? I count 5 total, all toward or at
> the front of the jeep. But I have a jeep manual
> that shows a grease nipple on a u joint. I took
> a good look at my u joints and I don't see any
> grease nipples.
>
> Tony
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68920 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:16am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, October 26, 2002
Hello All,
Mark Longfield lead a trail run Saturday, October 26, 2002 across Unspecified
Hey!
It was good wheelin' with ya all!
We had a total of 8 vehicles, 6 Toy's and 2 Jeeps. BajaTaco (Taco), Fourbychef (SAS'd Doublecab), Heatstroke (Taco), Steve S (THE 'RUNNER), Captain Kirk (Taco), ParaJeeper (TJ) and Bob Carney (ASA4WDC, Scrambler) made up the group.
Every one made it thru w/ no major damage- Fourbychef who was tailgunner and had to fight thru all our slop, tossed tire due to the really slick mud. I had an already damaged T'case mount finish failing on the exit road to Mayer. (What's that knockin' noise? Just the C/V tappin on the cross member) Weather wise, we were really lucky- it had hailed and snowed in Prescott and Chino Valley, all we got was light rain early in the trail, and some heavier showers on the last couple of hills.
I ended up doing the majority of the trail without being locked on the right hub! My wife had locked ot in for me, and I walked around and un-locked it again
Chris (BajaTaco) and I have another local trail to take ya on- IF ya don't mind gettin' some pin stripping. It's the Maverick Ridge Trail due south of Prescott. It's more hill climbs, a few rocks, no bad off-camber stuff and some very nice scenery. The lower section near Waggoner is almost Sedona like. We could make a full day of it from Waggoner up Pole Camp Canyon some time. It's open till the first heavy snow flies- the trail is literaly on TOP of the mountains, a narrow ridge two track.
Squinko- we just missed ya! We pulled out at 9:40- I should have provided directions to everyone just for that reason. We were movin' SLOW enough all day (due to Steve's pal ) for anyone to have caught up.
Chris- DOH!! sorry about the pic's. Guess I'm a digital camera challenged individual
K-ton, glad to have been able to assist- that was actually the nuttiest part of the trail for me! I didn't tell my wife, but the truck actually started to go over, it rocked pretty good- but the bottom side tires in the ditch stopped it- Nasty, slimy stuff-
ParaJeeper- your welcome anytime! Nice TJ!
Later!!
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68921 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:33am
Subject: RE: Re: Raw Deal
Nope I would not be upset at all. I know it happens (leaving trash on
the trail) and I make efforts to clean up after the misguided ignorant
runts of the OHV community.
I have no problem asking the target shooter(s) that use the public to
help clean up after their comrades.
As a matter of fact, as soon as a flier becomes available I will print a
bunch off and deliver them to the shops that sell ammo and fire arms.
All in hopes of getting these people out there to the Table Mesa area.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric [mailto:parajeeper02@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 5:43 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal
>
>
> Again I was not defending anyone just asking all of you to stop
> passing blame to other groups and start working with them, If I had
> made a comment on a shooting or Dirt-bike board about Jeepers similar
> to the ones that were made about Shooters then you would be upset as
> well.........
> -- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > Eric,
> >
> > Eric,
> >
> > Hold on a second.....please slow down.
> >
> > #1. I've no idea how long you have been involved with the AZVJC.
> From
> > your comments, it does not sound like you have been on the cleanups
> we
> > have helped on at Table Mesa. If so, your comments don't seem to
> stack
> > up to what you would have experienced out there while on a cleanup.
> >
> > #2. We have helped clean up the Table Mesa primary shooting areas
> > several times (at least I have) and frankly, it is very much like
> > pissing into the wind. A month after you did it, it looks the same
> > again.
> >
> > #3. I am very glad to hear you pick up your brass....thank you (I
> too
> > shoot and reload, etc.)
> >
> > #4. A LOT of people that shoot at Table Mesa DO NOT pick up their
> > brass, targets, back stops, etc. If you doubt this, please drive
> out
> > there on a nice weekend, park your butt up on a nice
> overlook (being
> > careful not to get shot) and watch them with a good pair of
> binoculars.
> > I accompanied a large group (about 50) of state and federal land
> > management agency people out there just this past weekend. I feel
> > confident they can back up my claim that the place looked like a
> ****
> > hole.
> >
> > #5. It is too bad you were offended by the previous
> comment....however,
> > you can check last year's participant list....the list that you
> sign in
> > on when they give you the trash bags so you can clean up (Table
> Mesa).
> > You will find that vast majority of those signing up are off-
> roaders of
> > some type (and they are not the wants making that mess). Please
> do not
> > stand on a soap box and preach about how the shooters at Table Mesa
> take
> > care of their own mess! THEY DO NOT!
> >
> > #6. Last year's cleanup saw people posting notices of the cleanup
> at
> > shooting stores, etc. I was told that gun clubs were invited,
> etc. See
> > #5 above as to how many shooters participated. (ie., people who
> ONLY
> > shoot and do NOT also off-road)
> >
> > #7. Please do NOT tell me that it is just illegal dumpers that
> leave
> > everything out there and it is the innocent shooters that come
> along and
> > pump it full of bullet holes. Bull****! Let me tell you of a
> > conversation that was related to me just last
> night.....some friends
> > were over and off-roading, shooting, camping, etc. came up during
> > conversation. The person said "You should have seen what my cousin
> did
> > a while ago. They had a bunch of computer equipment that they
> didn't
> > want. They took all of it and a portable generator out to the
> desert.
> > They got all of the equipment up and running and then proceeded to
> shoot
> > it all up." Sorry....that was not simply a case of illegal
> > dumping....that was people wanting to see arcs and sparks when they
> shot
> > video terminals, etc.
> >
> > I love to shoot....I own more guns than I have time to use.
> However,
> > just like irresponsible OHV users......stupid shooters give the
> > responsible ones a black eye too. It is time to stop
> defending them
> > (and being offended when someone points them out) and time to start
> > getting them shut down (ie., arrested, fined, ticketed, guns
> > confiscated, etc.)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Eric [mailto:parajeeper02@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:42 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Raw Deal
> >
> > That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> > because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> > know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
> >
> > Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> > community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
> shoot.
> > I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
> > so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
> >
> >
> > First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
> have
> > no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> > albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
> in
> > every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> > times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
> >
> > There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
> hikers,
> > campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
> > ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> > OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
> taking
> > care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> > areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> > the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> > different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
> > want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work
> as
> > seperate entities.
> >
> > -- Eric
> > - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> > Recreationist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> > happen, only
> > > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than
> a
> > range,
> > > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
> them
> > (as far
> > > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
> and
> > brass is
> > > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
> > shooters are
> > > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
> is
> > just my
> > > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
> places
> > we should
> > > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning
> up
> > these
> > > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
> and
> > brass
> > > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> > maintain the
> > > grounds that they stand on....
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68922 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 6:40am
Subject: RE: [Tech] 99 Jeep Wrangler Sport - Items to cover when steam cleaning engine?
Maybe the computer connectors too.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 9:52 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Tech] 99 Jeep Wrangler Sport - Items to cover when steam cleaning engine?
This may sound simple to you veterans, but I have only steam cleaned OLDER engines... on a fuel injected, inline 6, 4.0L Wrangler, other than battery, alternator & air intake, what other items should be covered before steam cleaning engine? Thank you for all responses. Any tips, hints, etc?
Leonard Garcia
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68923 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:04am
Subject: Re: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
James (et al),
I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first gear ratio
is on the AW4.
You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one, remember,
this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder or worry
about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio", etc.
With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1 that I
removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I had the
manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of the TF999
is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can, literally, go as
slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop and just
sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving at all. I
can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let of the
gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs and 4 arms
to work everything ;)
Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now develop some
wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off camber
spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it. With the 4:1
(especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any wheel
speed. Now I can ;)
I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to rock crawl
;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68924 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:04am
Subject: RE: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
James,
Since Scott is still sleeping, (grin) I'll take a stab at a couple of
those questions.
Scott and I discussed the switch options you indicated. At this point,
they are not installed, but can be added quite easily (in comparison to
the rest of the wiring that has already been done). Scott wanted to see
how it performed on the trail in LO range (as it is currently
configured) before making any other changes.
The harness was made up ahead of time.....Scott was working on getting
the pilot bearing out while I was soldering and heat shrinking the
harness extensions. There are about 8 connections to be made to the
existing TJ wire harness. The other dozen or so connections run from
the TCM (tranny control module) to the tranny itself. While you could
certainly open the TJ wire loom and prep those wires for connection to
the AW-4 harness, there is currently no way to "plug and play" this into
the TJ.
As for Scott's SYE, yes, it is done and installed. The new CV rear
shaft is 2" longer than the one it replaced when he was running the
AX-15 and RE SYE with the 8.8" rear. That one was a bit over extended,
IMO, for that setup. I'm just glad that Scott had not spent the money
on a new drive shaft and then decided to do the AW-4 swap.
Needless to say, Scott was quite happy when he rowed the tranny selector
through the positions and the AW-4 responded. He was holding his breath
as we started down the street from his house.....hoping that the wiring
was all correct and that the TCM would cause the tranny to shift
automatically.....AND IT DID! (as for me, I was just glad the thing was
working! LOL)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:17 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Scott,
This is way cool.
There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and I
was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
the torque convertor from locking up.
I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now that
you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
some splicing that prevents this?
Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the rear
drive shaft?
Where the heck is that write up? LOL
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
were
> happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
>
> http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
>
> So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee AW4
> transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other a
high
> 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
been a
> Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
every
> day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place. I
will
> be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon and
post
> a link.
>
> I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
whenever he
> could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying the
TJ
> and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
the TJ
> PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine that
I had
> everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
THANKS
> STU!!!
>
>
> Scott K
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68925 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:05am
Subject: RE: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Yes, the breather lends itself well to being extended, unlike the TF999.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Oh yeah, one more question, where is the breather located on the AW4?
I hope it has a tube that you can locate high, unlike the TF999.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
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68926 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:29am
Subject: RE: Is Flex Over-Rated?
Owning and driving one of those stiff CJs and wheeling relatively difficult trails myself; I can tell you that the stiffer the Jeep the faster it will roll over in certain situations.
Take for instance driving up the ramp (yea, I know there are no ramps off road, but there are big rocks that will do the same thing&) A flexy rig will drive a considerable distance up the ramp. If you take your non-flexy rig and try to drive the same distance up the ramp youll flop on your side.
However you can go too far the other way, really flexy generally means a really soft suspension on side hills this introduces A LOT of body roll. And can tip you over sooner than a stiff suspension would. The ultimate goal is to find a balance between the two worlds that YOU are comfortable with.
Currently I am building a rock-ready rig. My plan is to use ¼ elliptical leafs so that I can add or remove leafs to get the balance that I want. Im also planning on using something like the Currie Off-Road sway bar and I plan on using that to fine-tune my suspension so that it performs how I want it to off-road. The advantage of any leaf system over coils is that in order to change the stiffness of the suspension it is just a matter of adding or removing leafs. To really change the stiffness of a coil suspension you have to swap out the entire coil.
- Mike
68927 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:46am
Subject: IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Attention Everyone! I just got off the phone with Detective Michael Evans of the Tempe Police Department. It seems that a thief posted some items on our classifieds section. If you've ever bought or traded for anything from a MARK SPEER please contact the Detective at the number listed below. The following items were listed:
94 YJ Parting Out (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54632
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54633
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) -- Apparently a double-post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54634
YJ Hard-top (May 28, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54847
4.0 HO 6 Cyl (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55205
4 Speed Automatic Transmission (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55206
New Process 231 Transfer-case (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55207
Trade 2000 dollar laptop 3 months old for 35 inch mud terrains (Jun 23, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/57005
Trade Laptop 900mhz for New Winch (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59034
Trade Laptop for Jet Stage 3 or Venom 400 (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59035
Note that not all of these items may have been stolen, but at this point I wouldn't take a chance. Also don't worry, if you did purchase one of these items, you're not in trouble, but you will be able to help the detective. If you did any business with MARK SPEER it is important that you contact:
Detective Michael Evans 11813
Tempe Police Department
Criminal Investigations Bureau
480-350-8063
Thank you,
- Mike Chatfield
AzVJC Webmaster.
68928 From: Janice Allison <jallison@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 7:49am
Subject: Spook Rally & TJ question
Hi,
Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a few beers
with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who was very
helpful in helping me find the Rally.
Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed the
rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone with
them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut; probably by my
suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel pump. Two
weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it was probably
due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-1/2
months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
* Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in working on my
Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due to my
suspension)?
* Is it possible that the lift installation is actually causing these
problems?
Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for another
$225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
Jan
Janice Allison, Business Manager
University of Arizona
Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
(602) 470-8086, ext. 362
68929 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:02am
Subject: RE: IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Please be aware that I ccd the detective on this message, so if you reply to it, be sure to remove his e-mail address from the reply, unless you want the reply to go to him as well,
Thanks,
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 8:46 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Cc: 'Evans, Michael'
Subject: [az_vjc] IMPORTANT! -- Stolen Items were listed on Az_VJC Classifieds
Attention Everyone! I just got off the phone with Detective Michael Evans of the Tempe Police Department. It seems that a thief posted some items on our classifieds section. If you've ever bought or traded for anything from a MARK SPEER please contact the Detective at the number listed below. The following items were listed:
94 YJ Parting Out (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54632
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54633
YJ Black Soft-top (May 24, 2002) -- Apparently a double-post. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54634
YJ Hard-top (May 28, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/54847
4.0 HO 6 Cyl (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55205
4 Speed Automatic Transmission (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55206
New Process 231 Transfer-case (Jun 1, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/55207
Trade 2000 dollar laptop 3 months old for 35 inch mud terrains (Jun 23, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/57005
Trade Laptop 900mhz for New Winch (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59034
Trade Laptop for Jet Stage 3 or Venom 400 (Jul 9, 2002) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/message/59035
Note that not all of these items may have been stolen, but at this point I wouldn't take a chance. Also don't worry, if you did purchase one of these items, you're not in trouble, but you will be able to help the detective. If you did any business with MARK SPEER it is important that you contact:
Detective Michael Evans 11813
Tempe Police Department
Criminal Investigations Bureau
480-350-8063
Thank you,
- Mike Chatfield
AzVJC Webmaster.
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68930 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:05am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Fred,
I have an auto (tf999).... I was wondering the difference for street
performance. Not having to have low gears to get off the line at a
light would be nice. Kind of like a switch between a th400 and a
700r4, the 700r4 not only has more pickup from a stop it has the
overdrive.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> James (et al),
> I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first
gear ratio
> is on the AW4.
> You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one,
remember,
> this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder
or worry
> about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio",
etc.
> With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1
that I
> removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I
had the
> manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of
the TF999
> is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can,
literally, go as
> slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop
and just
> sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving
at all. I
> can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let
of the
> gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs
and 4 arms
> to work everything ;)
> Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now
develop some
> wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off
camber
> spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it.
With the 4:1
> (especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any
wheel
> speed. Now I can ;)
> I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to
rock crawl
> ;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
>
>
> Best,
> Fred
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
>
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > This is way cool.
> > There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4
and I
> > was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> > kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> > the torque convertor from locking up.
> > I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually
had
> > to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> > you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time?
In
> > other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is
there
> > some splicing that prevents this?
> >
> > Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is
compared
> > to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
> >
> > Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> > drive shaft?
> >
> > Where the heck is that write up? LOL
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive.
(We
> > were
> > > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> > >
> > > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> > >
> > > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went
for a
> > > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each
other a
> > high
> > > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> > been a
> > > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free
time
> > every
> > > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the
place. I
> > will
> > > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> > post
> > > a link.
> > >
> > > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> > whenever he
> > > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> > TJ
> > > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> > the TJ
> > > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in
a
> > > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> > I had
> > > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> > THANKS
> > > STU!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
68931 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:06am
Subject: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Thanks.... can't wait to see the write up.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> James,
>
> Since Scott is still sleeping, (grin) I'll take a stab at a couple
of
> those questions.
>
> Scott and I discussed the switch options you indicated. At this
point,
> they are not installed, but can be added quite easily (in
comparison to
> the rest of the wiring that has already been done). Scott wanted
to see
> how it performed on the trail in LO range (as it is currently
> configured) before making any other changes.
>
> The harness was made up ahead of time.....Scott was working on
getting
> the pilot bearing out while I was soldering and heat shrinking the
> harness extensions. There are about 8 connections to be made to the
> existing TJ wire harness. The other dozen or so connections run
from
> the TCM (tranny control module) to the tranny itself. While you
could
> certainly open the TJ wire loom and prep those wires for connection
to
> the AW-4 harness, there is currently no way to "plug and play" this
into
> the TJ.
>
> As for Scott's SYE, yes, it is done and installed. The new CV rear
> shaft is 2" longer than the one it replaced when he was running the
> AX-15 and RE SYE with the 8.8" rear. That one was a bit over
extended,
> IMO, for that setup. I'm just glad that Scott had not spent the
money
> on a new drive shaft and then decided to do the AW-4 swap.
>
> Needless to say, Scott was quite happy when he rowed the tranny
selector
> through the positions and the AW-4 responded. He was holding his
breath
> as we started down the street from his house.....hoping that the
wiring
> was all correct and that the TCM would cause the tranny to shift
> automatically.....AND IT DID! (as for me, I was just glad the
thing was
> working! LOL)
>
> Stu
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:17 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
>
> Scott,
>
> This is way cool.
> There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4 and
I
> was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> the torque convertor from locking up.
> I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually had
> to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
that
> you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time? In
> other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is there
> some splicing that prevents this?
>
> Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is compared
> to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
>
> Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
rear
> drive shaft?
>
> Where the heck is that write up? LOL
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive. (We
> were
> > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> >
> > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> >
> > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went for a
> > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
AW4
> > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each other
a
> high
> > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> been a
> > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free time
> every
> > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the place.
I
> will
> > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
and
> post
> > a link.
> >
> > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> whenever he
> > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
the
> TJ
> > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> the TJ
> > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in a
> > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
that
> I had
> > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> THANKS
> > STU!!!
> >
> >
> > Scott K
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
68932 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:10am
Subject: Kevin"s rock sliderz.
I know someone in the club is using these. Are they as good as
advertised and do they bend down when stood on?
68933 From: Steve Adams <stevepadams@d...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:40am
Subject: test
68934 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:47am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally & TJ question
Why would the suspension cut the fuel line? If I recall, it doesn't
touch the fuel line in any location. Sounds like a load of buill to me.
Go to them and have them physically show you how it happened and what
part of the suspension caused it.
Chris
On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Janice Allison wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a few
> beers
> with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who was
> very
> helpful in helping me find the Rally.
>
> Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed the
> rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
> working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone with
> them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut; probably
> by my
> suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel pump.
> Two
> weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it was
> probably
> due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-1/2
> months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
> * Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in working on
> my
> Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due to my
> suspension)?
> * Is it possible that the lift installation is actually causing
> these
> problems?
> Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for another
> $225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
>
> Jan
>
>
> Janice Allison, Business Manager
> University of Arizona
> Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
> (602) 470-8086, ext. 362
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68935 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 8:56am
Subject: [FS] Hard Top w/metal doors for 1984 Wrangler
Price: negotiable
Contact: Shannon Trimpro@cox.net
Looking for hard top with metal doors for my brother-in-law's 84 Wrangler.........
Shannon Grenz
68936 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:02am
Subject: Re: Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
Mmmmm, I get around town every bit as fast after I swapped in the TF999 as
when I had the A-15. Actually I get around town *faster*.. The TF999 is so
much easier on the driveline, I, *literally* don't know that the Detroit is
in the rear. I'ld let anyone drive the Jeep now. Before, with the manual, I
wouldn't, because of the Detroit.
Anyway, I just as "fast off the line" with the TF999 (actually I'm sometimes
faster), then I was with the AX-15.
Note that I'm not a fast driver at any rate. My Jeep is setup for the rocks
and on road driving. If I had wanted something fast around town and on the
highway, I would have bought a '65 Cobra or something. The Jeeps are about
as aerodynamic as a brick. If someone is looking for a drag off the line,
they can win. I'm waaaaay past that 16 year old stage ;) The kid in the
Camero can take me at the stop lights, I'll take him in the rocks ;)
Anyway all kidding aside, mine (with the TF999) is not slow or sluggish off
the line. It's quite crisp. As I said, I'm not an aggressive driver. The
auto actually shifts at a higher RPM (around town) than I used to with the
manual. I was in 5th gear with the A-15 at 45 mph.
If your tranny is acting sluggish or like it's slipping, it may (depending
on year, miles, how hot you've let it get, and how often you've changed the
fluid) be time for a band adjustment and a look at the clutch packs.
Mine shifts crispy and I don't even notice it most the time.
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 9:05 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> Fred,
>
> I have an auto (tf999).... I was wondering the difference for street
> performance. Not having to have low gears to get off the line at a
> light would be nice. Kind of like a switch between a th400 and a
> 700r4, the 700r4 not only has more pickup from a stop it has the
> overdrive.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "FredTJ" <fredtj@c...> wrote:
> > James (et al),
> > I'ld have to look it up, but I don't remember what the first
> gear ratio
> > is on the AW4.
> > You "manual people" ;) ;) are soooo funny (I use to be one,
> remember,
> > this is in fun).... Once you do the auto swap, you no longer wonder
> or worry
> > about things like "crawl ratio" and "what is the first gear ratio",
> etc.
> > With the TF999 that I recently swapped in and *without* the 4:1
> that I
> > removed, I have a much, much better "crawl ratio" than I did when I
> had the
> > manul tranny and the 4:1. (and rembemer that the 1st gear ratio of
> the TF999
> > is taller than the 1st gear ratio of the AX-15)... I can,
> literally, go as
> > slow as I want. I can go up a steep rock face, and literally, stop
> and just
> > sit there, at the limits of the adhesion of the tires, not moving
> at all. I
> > can lightly press on the gas and creep up, as slow as I want. Let
> of the
> > gas, and just sit there. No more stalling, no more needing 6 legs
> and 4 arms
> > to work everything ;)
> > Another nice thing, about ditching the 4:1, is that I can now
> develop some
> > wheel speed if I need to (when in 4wd or 2wd low).. In a very off
> camber
> > spot, if you start to go over, the manuver is to drive into it.
> With the 4:1
> > (especially in 1st gear), it was impossible to quickly develop any
> wheel
> > speed. Now I can ;)
> > I'm sure that Scott, in a couple of months as he re-learns how to
> rock crawl
> > ;), will join in with the "who cares what the 1st gear ratio is" ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 6:16 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: First drive in my TJ with the XJ 4 spd auto!
> >
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > This is way cool.
> > > There have been a couple of write ups circulating about the AW4
> and I
> > > was wondering if you guys incorporated them; one was a switch that
> > > kept the tranny in first gear and the other was a switch that kept
> > > the torque convertor from locking up.
> > > I would be very interested to know how much wiring you actually
> had
> > > to do and where with regards to the TJ PCM. Is this wiring, now
> that
> > > you know what it is, something that could be done ahead of time?
> In
> > > other words, could this whole operation be a "bolt on"? or is
> there
> > > some splicing that prevents this?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any numbers of what the AW4 first gear is
> compared
> > > to the TF999? Maybe Fred.
> > >
> > > Did you get your SYE done on your transfer case? How long is the
> rear
> > > drive shaft?
> > >
> > > Where the heck is that write up? LOL
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> > > > Here's Stu and I getting ready to go on the first test drive.
> (We
> > > were
> > > > happy just to be able to back it out of the garage.)
> > > >
> > > > http://members.cox.net/~skruize/pics/firstdrive.jpg
> > > >
> > > > So after Stu got done hamming it up for this picture we went
> for a
> > > > drive. I was immediately impressed with how smooth the Cherokee
> AW4
> > > > transmission shifts. Stu and I came to stop and gave each
> other a
> > > high
> > > > 5. All the hard work has paid off. (My wife is happy too. She's
> > > been a
> > > > Jeep widow for the past week while I worked on it in my free
> time
> > > every
> > > > day.) I spent the rest of the day driving it all over the
> place. I
> > > will
> > > > be doing a full writeup with wiring diagrams and pictures soon
> and
> > > post
> > > > a link.
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to take a chance to thank Stu Olson for stopping by
> > > whenever he
> > > > could. Especially with the wiring. We spent many hours studying
> the
> > > TJ
> > > > and XJ wiring diagrams and had 95% of how to tie the XJ TCM into
> > > the TJ
> > > > PCM figured out in advance. He made sure the wiring was done in
> a
> > > > correct manner and was very instrumental helping to determine
> that
> > > I had
> > > > everything correct and together we worked through that other 5%.
> > > THANKS
> > > > STU!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Scott K
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68937 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 4:02am
Subject: Re: Was spook rally now Fuel & TJ question
Allison,
I have to agree... Load of bull****.. 2 reasons comes to mind... One, I can not for thelife of me figure out how the suspension would cut the fuel line. 2, the fuel pump is in the tank, so if the line was cut, the in theroy, you would have been shoting gas al over the ground when we were trying to start it before I pulled you out. There was no gas, we would have smelled it for sure... DO what Chris says..... "Show me the damage.."
Good luck
John k
68938 From: Chris <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Mon Oct 28, 2002 9:03am
Subject: Re: Spook Rally & TJ question
I agree with Chris K., I don't know of anywhere the fuel line
crosses close enough to the suspension to cut the line. I think
this is one of those (sorry to say it, but it is true) where they
see you as a female and are telling you a fish story thinking you
won't question it. I have seen this with both my wife when taking
in her vehicle on occasion and my mother-in-law has called me to ask
me similar questions, they sure change their tune when they here a
different voice asking them the questions.
Chris
---------------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...> wrote:
> Why would the suspension cut the fuel line? If I recall, it
doesn't
> touch the fuel line in any location. Sounds like a load of buill
to me.
>
> Go to them and have them physically show you how it happened and
what
> part of the suspension caused it.
>
> Chris
>
> On Monday, October 28, 2002, at 08:49 AM, Janice Allison wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > Enjoyed meeting Zilla, Bill & Neal at the spook rally & having a
few
> > beers
> > with them & John H. Also got a quick "hello" into Nassar, who
was
> > very
> > helpful in helping me find the Rally.
> >
> > Well, the long & short of it is I was at the Rally, but missed
the
> > rally. Saturday morning on my way to the games, my Jeep stopped
> > working. I got it towed into Darner & just got off the phone
with
> > them. I was told that the lines to the fuel pump were cut;
probably
> > by my
> > suspension. About 3 months ago, they had installed a new fuel
pump.
> > Two
> > weeks ago, my muffler was busted at the weld & Darner said it
was
> > probably
> > due to my suspension. I've had the lift on my Jeep for about 1-
1/2
> > months. What I'm beginning to wonder is:
> > * Once I have a lift, is Darner no longer interested in
working on
> > my
> > Jeep & providing warrantee on their work (thereby, it's all due
to my
> > suspension)?
> > * Is it possible that the lift installation is actually
causing
> > these
> > problems?
> > Any thoughts on this would be appreciated. I'm getting hit for
another
> > $225 @ Darner, and I didn't even do any wheeling this weekend.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> >
> > Janice Allison, Business Manager
> > University of Arizona
> > Maricopa County Cooperative Extension
> > (602) 470-8086, ext. 362
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >