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68814 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:41am
Subject: Re: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Mike Baney wrote:
> Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
>
> I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a dealer
> item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Baney
>
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68815 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:05am
Subject: Re: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I think
certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
Mike
--- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
> I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
> CANT W8
>
> Mike Baney wrote:
>
> > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> >
> > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> dealer
> > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
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68816 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:41am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Rice Peak - Saturday, October 26, 2002
Hello All,
John Shotts lead a trail run Saturday, October 26, 2002 across Rice Peak
Another beautiful day was provided for us for this run. Actually, only 3 SUV's ran this run. Scott and St
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68817 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:43am
Subject: RE: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
Pep Boys at Southern and Country Club in Mesa has a hardware cabinet with
all sorts of loose odds and ends parts which include studs. If you went to
the parts counter, forget getting a good answer. Go over to the hardware
isle and dig through their hardware cabinet and you will likely find what
you need. Just take a lugnut and measure the length of the stud you need
before you go. I'll bet you find what you need.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:05 AM
To: Robert Peck
Cc: Jeep List
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I think
certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
Mike
--- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
> I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
> CANT W8
>
> Mike Baney wrote:
>
> > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> >
> > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> dealer
> > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
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68818 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:09am
Subject: RE: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Maybe NAPA? (not sure, just thinking of other auto parts places)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:23 AM
To: Jeep List
Subject: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
dealer
item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
Thanks,
Mike Baney
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68819 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:30am
Subject: [FS] 4INCH SPRING FOR YJ TRADE FOR 2INCH YJ SPRING
Price: TRADE
Contact: DAN PARKER 602 538 6793
THE SPRINGS ARE NEW MY JEEP IS SOA AND THEY ARE TO BIG
Dan Parker
68820 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:35am
Subject: OT: Snow Bowl Snow Making
Hi All:
Please send a letter to the forest service supporting Snow Bowl making artifical snow to: r3_coconino_snowbowl_upgrade@fs.fed.us
The native americans are trying to put a stop to this, we have until November 15th to write e-mails to the Coconino Forest Ranger. Below is the letter I sent to them supporting Snow Bowl to make snow so that they can be a profitable business.
Jake
Jake Wagner wrote:
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:29:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Jake Wagner
Subject: Snow Bowl Snow Making
To: r3_coconino_snowbowl_upgrade@fs.fed.us
To Whom It May Concern:
I am an Arizona resident from the Metro Phoenix area and I strongly support Snow Bowl making artifical snow. The past few years Snow Bowl has been unable to make a profit due to the weather conditions in the state. I would like to see that the ski resort is open for a full season so that I can enjoy one of our state's winter sports.
Thank you for your time.
Yours Truly:
Jacob M. Wagner
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68821 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:42am
Subject: Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68822 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:49am
Subject: OT: SnowBowl Ski Trip
Hi All:
I know it's still early, but I was thinking about getting a group of Jeep Club Members and we could get a group rate! I was thinking of sometime in mid-late January. If anyone is interested please e-mail me off the list at: jakewagner@yahoo.com
Jake
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68823 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:50am
Subject: RE: Raw Deal
Jake,
A cleanup is already scheduled for the Table Mesa area. If memory serves me correctly, it is Saturday, January 25th. Once this is officially published, we can schedule an event on the web site to help remind everyone.
Everyone is welcomed to participate.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:43 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68824 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:20am
Subject: [FS] 33x12.50x15 Tires and Rims
Price: $600 O.B.O.
Contact: Brett Hawkins 602-363-3322
33x12.50x15 BFG All Terrains on Centerline Hellcat rims. Tires and rims range from fair to excellent shape. i.e. my spare has never been used. I have 5 to sell and would like to sell them all as a package. The lug pattern will fit 4.5 on 5 OR 5.5 on 5.
Brett Hawkins
68825 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:29am
Subject: RE: Raw Deal
I think you should concentrate on asking gun/rifle clubs for this clean up, not OHV clubs.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:43 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68826 From: Mike <mike@v...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:18am
Subject: Fw: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
The NAPA on Gilbert, between Houston and Guadalupe is open, I just called
them on something else.
-Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Baney" <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: "Robert Peck" <rlpii@q...>
> Cc: "Jeep List" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
>
>
> > Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I
think
> > certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > > I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or
not?
> > > Bob
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > > CANT W8
> > >
> > > Mike Baney wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> > > >
> > > > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> > > dealer
> > > > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different
year
> > > > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
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68827 From: Mike <mike@v...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:18am
Subject: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Can someone confirm what the auto parts stores (checker/auto zone/napa) are saying about the transmission mount on my 00 TJ (5pd/4.0L) being a dealer item?
I know there are poly aftermarket ones available, but I have heard those give off some vibes, opinions?
-Mike
68828 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:25am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to happen, only because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than a range, don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for them (as far as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice and brass is what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field shooters are going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this is just my opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only places we should shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning up these areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs and brass bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to maintain the grounds that they stand on....
68829 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:28am
Subject: [FS] 1977 WAGONEER 4x4 (RUNS GREAT)$1200.00 FIRM / MAY TRADE
Price: $1200.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
1977 JEEP WAGONEER,new 360 motor 30,000 miles,has edelbrock carb &; intake,new radiator,all new smog equipment(passes emissions),alum. wheels &; new tires,good glass,good tags,th400 auto trans,PS,PB,A/C,TILT, RUNS GREAT! FIRST $1200/MAY TRADE. CALL 602-579-5132
Bruce Boc
68830 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:32am
Subject: RE: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
I've got a 99 TJ. I replaced the rubber tranny mount 3 times in 2.5 years. I now have a Prothane poly mount thats been on there for well over a year and its rock solid. I even reused it with my AW4 tranny swap. I highly recommend it.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:mike@viffer.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:18 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Can someone confirm what the auto parts stores (checker/auto zone/napa) are saying about the transmission mount on my 00 TJ (5pd/4.0L) being a dealer item?
I know there are poly aftermarket ones available, but I have heard those give off some vibes, opinions?
-Mike
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68831 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:36am
Subject: Re: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Mike,
I switched to a poly mount a year ago and did'nt notice any appreciable vibes at all. The drive train felt tighter, which was a welcome side effect.
John Butler
68832 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:35am
Subject: Fw: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
John and Scott,
Thanks for the input, I guess I will try and locate one of the poly mounts.
-Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
> To: ""Mike"" <mike@v...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I switched to a poly mount a year ago and did'nt notice any appreciable
> vibes at all. The drive train felt tighter, which was a welcome side
> effect.
> >
> > John Butler
> >
>
>
68833 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:42am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to shoot.
I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who have
no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes in
every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers, hikers,
campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about taking
care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work as
seperate entities.
-- Eric
- Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
Recreationist.
--- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
happen, only
> because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than a
range,
> don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for them
(as far
> as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice and
brass is
> what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
shooters are
> going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this is
just my
> opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only places
we should
> shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning up
these
> areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs and
brass
> bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
maintain the
> grounds that they stand on....
68834 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:09am
Subject: lube points on a 94 YJ
Does anyone know the total number of lube points
on a 94 YJ? I count 5 total, all toward or at
the front of the jeep. But I have a jeep manual
that shows a grease nipple on a u joint. I took
a good look at my u joints and I don't see any
grease nipples.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
68835 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:11am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
Ok, I hereby nominate Eric to contact all of the redneck
shooters who are leaving their brass and other trash at these
shooting sites to join us for a cleanup of their shooting areas.
That would really help with trail use and the good image of Jeepers.
Because cleaning up other people's garbage is fun. Good clean fun.
I can't wait to do it some more. I do it for the glory. I do it for
the souvenirs. I just do it. Sometimes I think about throwing stuff
on the ground just so I can bend over and pick it up for that
refreshing "I just saved the whole damned planet" feeling! I love to
recycle: I take perfectly good stuff and turn it into garbage, which
can then be shot at (maybe) and then used as an excuse for a good day
of sitting on the dirt picking up all of the little pieces that Mr.
Shotgun turned MY original product into. Good times, good times!
Gimme a Hefty Cinchsack and a big floppy hat and I am set for an
afternoon of elation! Do I even have a point? I doubt it...
Lachlan "I'm white trash, but I love *all* trash" MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
>
> Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
shoot.
> I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
> so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
>
>
> First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
have
> no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
in
> every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
>
> There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
hikers,
> campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
> ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
taking
> care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
> want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work
as
> seperate entities.
>
> -- Eric
> - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> Recreationist.
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> happen, only
> > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than
a
> range,
> > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
them
> (as far
> > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
and
> brass is
> > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
> shooters are
> > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
is
> just my
> > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
places
> we should
> > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning
up
> these
> > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
and
> brass
> > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> maintain the
> > grounds that they stand on....
68836 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:22am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
You are right...... all shooters are Redneck and all Jeepers are
heroes........ what's the point of cleaning up others people's trash
(the coves) let's just ignore the problem or pass blame on other
groups and it will go away.......... I give up with this club
sometimes.............. moving on now
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Ok, I hereby nominate Eric to contact all of the redneck
> shooters who are leaving their brass and other trash at these
> shooting sites to join us for a cleanup of their shooting areas.
> That would really help with trail use and the good image of
Jeepers.
> Because cleaning up other people's garbage is fun. Good clean
fun.
> I can't wait to do it some more. I do it for the glory. I do it
for
> the souvenirs. I just do it. Sometimes I think about throwing
stuff
> on the ground just so I can bend over and pick it up for that
> refreshing "I just saved the whole damned planet" feeling! I love
to
> recycle: I take perfectly good stuff and turn it into garbage,
which
> can then be shot at (maybe) and then used as an excuse for a good
day
> of sitting on the dirt picking up all of the little pieces that Mr.
> Shotgun turned MY original product into. Good times, good times!
> Gimme a Hefty Cinchsack and a big floppy hat and I am set for an
> afternoon of elation! Do I even have a point? I doubt it...
>
> Lachlan "I'm white trash, but I love *all* trash" MacLean
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> > That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> > because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> > know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
> >
> > Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> > community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
> shoot.
> > I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough
in
> > so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
> >
> >
> > First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
> have
> > no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> > albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
> in
> > every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> > times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
> >
> > There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
> hikers,
> > campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like
the
> > ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> > OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
> taking
> > care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> > areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> > the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> > different groups all together which is what the Ant-
recreationists
> > want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we
work
> as
> > seperate entities.
> >
> > -- Eric
> > - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> > Recreationist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> > happen, only
> > > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other
than
> a
> > range,
> > > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
> them
> > (as far
> > > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
> and
> > brass is
> > > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of
field
> > shooters are
> > > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
> is
> > just my
> > > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
> places
> > we should
> > > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all,
cleaning
> up
> > these
> > > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
> and
> > brass
> > > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> > maintain the
> > > grounds that they stand on....
68837 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:44am
Subject: Re: lube points on a 94 YJ
I looked right now and mine dont have any either.
68838 From: <ZLZJEEP1@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:45am
Subject: jeep lift
Need a 4in lift for 80 CJ 7 or one 4in spring .One off my springs broke .
call 605 548 5829 or e-mail.
Thanks ZANE.
68814 From: Robert Peck <rlpii@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:41am
Subject: Re: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
Bob
74 CJ-5
CANT W8
Mike Baney wrote:
> Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
>
> I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a dealer
> item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mike Baney
>
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68815 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:05am
Subject: Re: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I think
certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
Mike
--- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
> I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
> CANT W8
>
> Mike Baney wrote:
>
> > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> >
> > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> dealer
> > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
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68816 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:41am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Rice Peak - Saturday, October 26, 2002
Hello All,
John Shotts lead a trail run Saturday, October 26, 2002 across Rice Peak
Another beautiful day was provided for us for this run. Actually, only 3 SUV's ran this run. Scott and St
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68817 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 7:43am
Subject: RE: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
Pep Boys at Southern and Country Club in Mesa has a hardware cabinet with
all sorts of loose odds and ends parts which include studs. If you went to
the parts counter, forget getting a good answer. Go over to the hardware
isle and dig through their hardware cabinet and you will likely find what
you need. Just take a lugnut and measure the length of the stud you need
before you go. I'll bet you find what you need.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:05 AM
To: Robert Peck
Cc: Jeep List
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I think
certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
Mike
--- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> Mike,
> I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or not?
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
> CANT W8
>
> Mike Baney wrote:
>
> > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> >
> > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> dealer
> > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
> > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
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68818 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:09am
Subject: RE: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Maybe NAPA? (not sure, just thinking of other auto parts places)
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 6:23 AM
To: Jeep List
Subject: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
dealer
item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different year
Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
Thanks,
Mike Baney
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68819 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:30am
Subject: [FS] 4INCH SPRING FOR YJ TRADE FOR 2INCH YJ SPRING
Price: TRADE
Contact: DAN PARKER 602 538 6793
THE SPRINGS ARE NEW MY JEEP IS SOA AND THEY ARE TO BIG
Dan Parker
68820 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:35am
Subject: OT: Snow Bowl Snow Making
Hi All:
Please send a letter to the forest service supporting Snow Bowl making artifical snow to: r3_coconino_snowbowl_upgrade@fs.fed.us
The native americans are trying to put a stop to this, we have until November 15th to write e-mails to the Coconino Forest Ranger. Below is the letter I sent to them supporting Snow Bowl to make snow so that they can be a profitable business.
Jake
Jake Wagner wrote:
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 07:29:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Jake Wagner
Subject: Snow Bowl Snow Making
To: r3_coconino_snowbowl_upgrade@fs.fed.us
To Whom It May Concern:
I am an Arizona resident from the Metro Phoenix area and I strongly support Snow Bowl making artifical snow. The past few years Snow Bowl has been unable to make a profit due to the weather conditions in the state. I would like to see that the ski resort is open for a full season so that I can enjoy one of our state's winter sports.
Thank you for your time.
Yours Truly:
Jacob M. Wagner
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68821 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:42am
Subject: Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68822 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:49am
Subject: OT: SnowBowl Ski Trip
Hi All:
I know it's still early, but I was thinking about getting a group of Jeep Club Members and we could get a group rate! I was thinking of sometime in mid-late January. If anyone is interested please e-mail me off the list at: jakewagner@yahoo.com
Jake
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68823 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 8:50am
Subject: RE: Raw Deal
Jake,
A cleanup is already scheduled for the Table Mesa area. If memory serves me correctly, it is Saturday, January 25th. Once this is officially published, we can schedule an event on the web site to help remind everyone.
Everyone is welcomed to participate.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:43 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68824 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:20am
Subject: [FS] 33x12.50x15 Tires and Rims
Price: $600 O.B.O.
Contact: Brett Hawkins 602-363-3322
33x12.50x15 BFG All Terrains on Centerline Hellcat rims. Tires and rims range from fair to excellent shape. i.e. my spare has never been used. I have 5 to sell and would like to sell them all as a package. The lug pattern will fit 4.5 on 5 OR 5.5 on 5.
Brett Hawkins
68825 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:29am
Subject: RE: Raw Deal
I think you should concentrate on asking gun/rifle clubs for this clean up, not OHV clubs.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 8:43 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Raw Deal
Hi All:
Yesterday a few of us ran Raw Deal until we got caught in a down pour and exited at the split where Upper starts.
Please remember "Pack In, Pack Out." I have not run this trail since the Spring time and I was disgusted at the amount of trash on the trail, especially near the "air down spot/parking lot." I'm a target shooter myself, but my friends and I always pick up our shells and even make the place look cleaner than when we arrived to the spot.
I know we have a Cove's Clean-Up coming up in a few weekends, I think we should pick a date and organize a clean-up of the Table Mesa Area. I know a few club members cleaned up the Terminator's recently, but we need to keep up on keeping the areas clean. Unfortunately due to my work schedule I have not been able to attend any of the last land use meetings, but I'm going to try my best to attend in the future.
What would be a good date for a Table Mesa Road Clean-up Run? Please any input would be grateful. We can always set-up a poll and go from there.
Jake
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68826 From: Mike <mike@v...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:18am
Subject: Fw: Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
Mike,
The NAPA on Gilbert, between Houston and Guadalupe is open, I just called
them on something else.
-Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Baney" <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> To: "Robert Peck" <rlpii@q...>
> Cc: "Jeep List" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 7:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Wheel studs..where to buy besides dealer
>
>
> > Thanks Bob, they closed yesterday at 5:00, so I was SOL then too! I
think
> > certain ones are open, so I will start calling around.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Robert Peck <rlpii@q...> wrote:
> > > Mike,
> > > I got mine at Napa, but I don't know if they are open on Sunday or
not?
> > > Bob
> > > 74 CJ-5
> > > CANT W8
> > >
> > > Mike Baney wrote:
> > >
> > > > Where can I pick up a wheel stud for a Dana 44 on a Sunday?
> > > >
> > > > I have tried Autozone, Pep Boys, and Checker. They all say it is a
> > > dealer
> > > > item, but I don't believe them. I tried cross reffing different
year
> > > > Wranglers, and Cherokee's, but they all say the same thing.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
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68827 From: Mike <mike@v...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:18am
Subject: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Can someone confirm what the auto parts stores (checker/auto zone/napa) are saying about the transmission mount on my 00 TJ (5pd/4.0L) being a dealer item?
I know there are poly aftermarket ones available, but I have heard those give off some vibes, opinions?
-Mike
68828 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 5:25am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to happen, only because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than a range, don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for them (as far as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice and brass is what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field shooters are going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this is just my opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only places we should shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning up these areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs and brass bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to maintain the grounds that they stand on....
68829 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:28am
Subject: [FS] 1977 WAGONEER 4x4 (RUNS GREAT)$1200.00 FIRM / MAY TRADE
Price: $1200.00
Contact: 602-579-5132
1977 JEEP WAGONEER,new 360 motor 30,000 miles,has edelbrock carb &; intake,new radiator,all new smog equipment(passes emissions),alum. wheels &; new tires,good glass,good tags,th400 auto trans,PS,PB,A/C,TILT, RUNS GREAT! FIRST $1200/MAY TRADE. CALL 602-579-5132
Bruce Boc
68830 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:32am
Subject: RE: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
I've got a 99 TJ. I replaced the rubber tranny mount 3 times in 2.5 years. I now have a Prothane poly mount thats been on there for well over a year and its rock solid. I even reused it with my AW4 tranny swap. I highly recommend it.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike [mailto:mike@viffer.com]
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:18 AM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Can someone confirm what the auto parts stores (checker/auto zone/napa) are saying about the transmission mount on my 00 TJ (5pd/4.0L) being a dealer item?
I know there are poly aftermarket ones available, but I have heard those give off some vibes, opinions?
-Mike
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68831 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:36am
Subject: Re: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
Mike,
I switched to a poly mount a year ago and did'nt notice any appreciable vibes at all. The drive train felt tighter, which was a welcome side effect.
John Butler
68832 From: Mike <mike@m...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:35am
Subject: Fw: 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
John and Scott,
Thanks for the input, I guess I will try and locate one of the poly mounts.
-Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
> To: ""Mike"" <mike@v...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2002 10:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 00 TJ Tansmission Mount - Dealer item?
>
>
> > Mike,
> >
> > I switched to a poly mount a year ago and did'nt notice any appreciable
> vibes at all. The drive train felt tighter, which was a welcome side
> effect.
> >
> > John Butler
> >
>
>
68833 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 9:42am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to shoot.
I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who have
no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes in
every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers, hikers,
campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about taking
care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work as
seperate entities.
-- Eric
- Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
Recreationist.
--- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
happen, only
> because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than a
range,
> don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for them
(as far
> as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice and
brass is
> what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
shooters are
> going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this is
just my
> opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only places
we should
> shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning up
these
> areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs and
brass
> bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
maintain the
> grounds that they stand on....
68834 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:09am
Subject: lube points on a 94 YJ
Does anyone know the total number of lube points
on a 94 YJ? I count 5 total, all toward or at
the front of the jeep. But I have a jeep manual
that shows a grease nipple on a u joint. I took
a good look at my u joints and I don't see any
grease nipples.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
68835 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:11am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
Ok, I hereby nominate Eric to contact all of the redneck
shooters who are leaving their brass and other trash at these
shooting sites to join us for a cleanup of their shooting areas.
That would really help with trail use and the good image of Jeepers.
Because cleaning up other people's garbage is fun. Good clean fun.
I can't wait to do it some more. I do it for the glory. I do it for
the souvenirs. I just do it. Sometimes I think about throwing stuff
on the ground just so I can bend over and pick it up for that
refreshing "I just saved the whole damned planet" feeling! I love to
recycle: I take perfectly good stuff and turn it into garbage, which
can then be shot at (maybe) and then used as an excuse for a good day
of sitting on the dirt picking up all of the little pieces that Mr.
Shotgun turned MY original product into. Good times, good times!
Gimme a Hefty Cinchsack and a big floppy hat and I am set for an
afternoon of elation! Do I even have a point? I doubt it...
Lachlan "I'm white trash, but I love *all* trash" MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
>
> Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
shoot.
> I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough in
> so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
>
>
> First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
have
> no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
in
> every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
>
> There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
hikers,
> campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like the
> ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
taking
> care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> different groups all together which is what the Ant-recreationists
> want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we work
as
> seperate entities.
>
> -- Eric
> - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> Recreationist.
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> happen, only
> > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other than
a
> range,
> > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
them
> (as far
> > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
and
> brass is
> > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of field
> shooters are
> > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
is
> just my
> > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
places
> we should
> > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all, cleaning
up
> these
> > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
and
> brass
> > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> maintain the
> > grounds that they stand on....
68836 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 10:22am
Subject: Re: Raw Deal
You are right...... all shooters are Redneck and all Jeepers are
heroes........ what's the point of cleaning up others people's trash
(the coves) let's just ignore the problem or pass blame on other
groups and it will go away.......... I give up with this club
sometimes.............. moving on now
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Ok, I hereby nominate Eric to contact all of the redneck
> shooters who are leaving their brass and other trash at these
> shooting sites to join us for a cleanup of their shooting areas.
> That would really help with trail use and the good image of
Jeepers.
> Because cleaning up other people's garbage is fun. Good clean
fun.
> I can't wait to do it some more. I do it for the glory. I do it
for
> the souvenirs. I just do it. Sometimes I think about throwing
stuff
> on the ground just so I can bend over and pick it up for that
> refreshing "I just saved the whole damned planet" feeling! I love
to
> recycle: I take perfectly good stuff and turn it into garbage,
which
> can then be shot at (maybe) and then used as an excuse for a good
day
> of sitting on the dirt picking up all of the little pieces that Mr.
> Shotgun turned MY original product into. Good times, good times!
> Gimme a Hefty Cinchsack and a big floppy hat and I am set for an
> afternoon of elation! Do I even have a point? I doubt it...
>
> Lachlan "I'm white trash, but I love *all* trash" MacLean
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> > That's like saying that the trails aren't going to be cleaned up
> > because the majority of the people who drive offroad dont' really
> > know or care about our lands....... etc. etc.
> >
> > Your statements are just the kind of statements we as an offroad
> > community loathe. I like to go to places other than a range to
> shoot.
> > I pick up my brass and others brass and I pack out what I brough
in
> > so I am pretty offended by your one-sided statements.
> >
> >
> > First off most of the trash out there is DUMPED by scumbags who
> have
> > no concern for teh enviroment or lae not brought by the shooters
> > albiet it is the irresposible shooters are the ones putting holes
> in
> > every TV, Refrigerator, etc that they find out there but how many
> > times have we driven by this stuff and left it there as well.
> >
> > There are MANY groups that use the desert, shooters, OHV'ers,
> hikers,
> > campers, geocachersm etc. I think before we make commenst like
the
> > ones I am seeing we contact the organized groups of shooters,
> > OHV'ers, Geocachers etc that care JUST AS MUCH AS WE DO about
> taking
> > care of the areas we all SHARE and work WITH them to clean these
> > areas up instead of cleaning them up ourselves so we can garner
> > the "we did it and you didn't" glory which only alienates the
> > different groups all together which is what the Ant-
recreationists
> > want....... if we join forces we are more powerful than if we
work
> as
> > seperate entities.
> >
> > -- Eric
> > - Jeeper, OHVer, Shooter, Mountain Biker, Hiker, Camper,
> > Recreationist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., chaton602@a... wrote:
> > > Well, leaving it for the shooters to clean up isn't going to
> > happen, only
> > > because the majority of people out there who shoot in other
than
> a
> > range,
> > > don't really know or care about our lands and what's ahead for
> them
> > (as far
> > > as usage) in the future. If an area is used for target practice
> and
> > brass is
> > > what seems to be your momentary soil, then the majority of
field
> > shooters are
> > > going to leave their brass where it falls. Personally (and this
> is
> > just my
> > > opinion), I believe designated shooting ranges are the only
> places
> > we should
> > > shoot (unless of course your out hunting). all in all,
cleaning
> up
> > these
> > > areas would be great. Maybe when these irresponsible trash hogs
> and
> > brass
> > > bombers see that these areas are clean, it'll help promote to
> > maintain the
> > > grounds that they stand on....
68837 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:44am
Subject: Re: lube points on a 94 YJ
I looked right now and mine dont have any either.
68838 From: <ZLZJEEP1@a...>
Date: Sun Oct 27, 2002 6:45am
Subject: jeep lift
Need a 4in lift for 80 CJ 7 or one 4in spring .One off my springs broke .
call 605 548 5829 or e-mail.
Thanks ZANE.