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68563 From: Dan Schwartz <azdanimal@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 10:51am
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Joe,
Aunt Suzie is a real looker in her robe, with her teeth out.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Dan Schwartz
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
So Dan,
What do the Aunt Suzie's knitting club women look like?
I will take one in my Jeep.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Schwartz"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> I have been watching this conversation for several days now. All I have
to
> say is, I will have an extra seat in my jeep that is available to anyone
who
> wants to help clean the coves. I don't care if they are with the sierra
> club or aunt suzies knitting club. I care for the environment and want to
> clean it up. Invite the everyone you can think of and lets clean the
coves.
>
> Remember the old saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
>
> Dan Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@millerwholesalelumber.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: 'Joe West'; 'scramzilla'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
>
> Just a small caveat here, IF the SC folks do attend, as I think they will.
> And IF they honestly join in, work, and enjoy the newfound camaraderie of
> the AzVJC, as I hope they will. And IF both groups can leave the politics
> and sidewalk psychology out of the equation, at least for the day, then we
> must make sure that we collectively control ourselves to make sure this is
a
> win-win situation and the Coves get cleaned up ! And possibly... just
> possibly... both groups can come away with a little better understanding
of
> all viewpoints...
>
> Bob Jacques
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> To: 'scramzilla'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
>
> Steven,
>
> Unfortunately, this situation isn't quite as black and white as your
> email below might lead one to believe you think it is. Since we live in
> a free society, the Sierra Club is completely free to come out and watch
> us work.
> If they choose to try and point out something that we may do wrong (such
> as accidentally run over an endangered rock) during the cleanup, it will
> be a relatively easy task to show where our hearts were at and that we
> were indeed trying to do the right thing.
>
> I suspect that the Sierra Club is smart enough to know that pointing
> fingers at a group that is trying to do good things will result in their
> ultimate demise. While there are radicals on both sides (your comments
> below might lead one to believe that you are one of these) of the
> issues, I believe them to be in the minority, and I am thankful that
> they are.
>
> It takes a wise person to understand that ultimately, those who's goals
> are just will triumph. No matter what happens by bringing in the Sierra
> Club (albeit perhaps only one or two members) and showing them how we
> work together during the coves cleanup; the result will be positive.
>
> It is easy for narrow minds on both sides of the issue to not trust the
> other side. It is much more difficult to do the right thing always...
> regardless of the potential consequences. In this case Steven, the
> right thing is to clean up the coves and allow everyone who wants to
> watch or participate, to do so. Consider this; even if we did not want
> to include them, we cannot stop them. So why not invite them to
> participate in the hopes that they will see how earnestly we are trying
> to make amends for the ignorant slobs among our community who made the
> mess at the coves in the first place?
>
> I'll step down now... and allow you to comment if you wish. You stand
> on a platform that is indefensible, and right next to you stand the
> extremists from the other side. You fail to recognize that ultimately,
> the plank you stand on will fail, and you will find yourself crumpled at
> the bottom of a chasm with others of your kind while the rest of us
> standing together above find a solution which good for everyone.
>
> I look forward to your comments.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scramzilla [mailto:steven.c.forrester@lmco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
> I don't care if the tree huggers comes to the cleanup or not. I still
> believe she is a Trojan Horse and you naive wheelers will probably
> end up with SC crap on your face. Hey! If I'm wrong, I'm wrong! But I
> would not trust one of those whacked out suck heads as far as I could
> kick them!
>
>
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68564 From: <f968190@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:02am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
I have an XJ and the light always says "part time hi" when engaged in 4 hi-
or "part time low" when engaged in 4 Low. When in 2 wheel drive, no light is
on. I have the np231 transfer case. I always assumed that this refers to the
fact that the diffs where open on this jeep originally (locked front and rear
now). Maybe I am wrong.
Frank
In a message dated 10/24/02 10:42:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
joey@d... writes:
<< Subj: RE: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
Date: 10/24/02 10:42:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: joey@d... (DesertJeep)
To: fredtj@c... ('FredTJ'), az_vjc@YahooGroups.com ('AzVJC')
True, but the light should be on all the time and go off or change to
full time when shifted to 4hi or 4lo.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:36 AM
To: DesertJeep; 'AzVJC'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
All TJ's are "part time 4 wheel drive"... The only time that they are in
4 wheel drive, is when the xfer case is shifted into 4hi or 4lo.
The "dealer" (person) that he talked to, doesn't know what they are
talking about.
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep <mailto:joey@d...>
To: 'AzVJC' <mailto:az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past weekend
went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L automatic.
When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light came
on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a TJ? He
went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have full time
4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
Joey K
93YJ
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68565 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:06am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
weekend
> went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
automatic.
> When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
came
> on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
TJ? He
> went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
full time
> 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
68566 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:07am
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
I did the full width swap in mine using Chevy axles. I'm using stock
Wrangler leaves with one or two added. I patterned my setup after Ross
Skinner's setup. It has proven good in Ross's Jeep and now in mine. If you
want pictures or to swing by my place to take a look at it, just let me know.
Just FYI, the front setup was a little interesting with reguards to keeping
caster in a usable range. I drive mine DAILY to and from work with 38's and
full width axles. Drives great with no issues.
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68567 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:11am
Subject: Another donation just came to my desk....
Just wanted to say thanks to Cludge Sypinski at Chrysler Family Jeep in
PA!!! He heard about the clean up and sent out 2 boxes of stuff for the
raffle, shirts, cleaning kits, hat, and other stuff!!!
Check them out www.familyparts.com
They offer a 20% discount for clubs, and free shipping for orders over
$200.
Have a good day all!
Mike Baney
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68568 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:36am
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
68569 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:15am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
"Part Time 4WD" really means that you're not supposed to have it in 4WD all the time (on pavement) since there's a hard link between front and rear axles, and that would cause a lot of undue stress on drivetrain components. To my knowledge, TJ's don't have "full time 4WD", but I might be wrong. I know that Grand Cherokees have both a "part time 4wd" and a "full time 4wd" setting. The "full-time 4WD" is meant for on-pavement driving.
-darren
DesertJeep wrote:
A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past weekend went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L automatic. When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light came on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a TJ? He went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have full time 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?Joey K93YJ
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68570 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
Sorry Charlie (as the tuna ad says). No so with a TJ and a 231 xfer case.
When you shift the xfer case into 4hi or 4lo, the front *IS* engaged. Jack
up the front end, shifht into 4hi or 4lo, then try to turn the front
tire(s), or, with the front still jacked up and the xfer case in 4hi or 4lo,
slide under the Jeep and turn the driveshaft by hand (or try ;) ).
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
> 2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
> not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
> only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
> weekend
> > went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
> automatic.
> > When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
> came
> > on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
> TJ? He
> > went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
> full time
> > 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
>
>
>
>
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68571 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
Further thoughts, the is *NO* diff. action through the xfer case (231 in a
TJ) and there would have to be for the scenario that you describe to occur.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
> 2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
> not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
> only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
> weekend
> > went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
> automatic.
> > When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
> came
> > on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
> TJ? He
> > went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
> full time
> > 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
>
>
>
>
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>
>
68572 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:33am
Subject: [FS] Rubicon TJ 4.5" Lift
Price: $1150.00
Contact: mikeg407@cox.net
I thought I had this thing sold on eBay but it fell through so I am putting it back on here at an even lower price. It is brand new still sitting in the box waiting for a jeeper who wants an awesome lift kit. This is a big savings to locals since you dont have to pay shipping. I am still moving in the next few weeks so I need to sell it. Price is pretty firm. Thanks
Mike Garcia
68573 From: Tim Coble <tcoble@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:47am
Subject: Re: poll - rear track bars
Tony,
I removed the one in my now MIA 92 YJ and in my
current 88 XJ. I didn't/haven't noticed any
difference in street handling but a huge difference in
on trail manners. Removing that bad boy really helps
keep the rear rubber on the ground, IMHO.
Tim
Tucson
88XJ
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:36:08 -0700
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
--
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68574 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:52am
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Thank you. I could stick to monosyllabic words but is much less fun for
me to do so. As for the opinion part, indeed; most everything I write
is my opinion unless I use the word fact in my pontifications.
I think that this is a healthy discussion, and don't find it in the
least bit destructive. I like hearing your opinion, and even more, I
enjoy disagreeing with you and the resulting debate which occurs.
I look forward to seeing you on the Coves cleanup.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Zilla wrote:
You need to read all my threads....I have never said that they
(whoever) should not be included in any cleanup. The
"find yourself crumpled at the bottom of a chasm with others of your
kind while the rest of us standing together above find a solution
which good for everyone." part of your email is grandiose at the very
least. All this "stuff", for lack of a better word, is
opinion....nothing more.
68575 From: jimmy lambertus <jeepnazus@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:52am
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Are you?
Jim Lambertus
--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> Are you reading for comprehension?
>
> At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> had
> > > planned to go out
> > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> now.
> > > I'll do it
> > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> way.
> > >
> > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> been
> > > a more direct
> > > way of getting your point across.
> > >
> > > And I say to you:
> > >
> > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> won't
> > > even talk to the
> > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> Your
> > > attitude will
> > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > >
> > > Grow Up a Little,
> > >
> > > Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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68576 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I asked you first.
At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
>Are you?
> Jim Lambertus
>--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > Are you reading for comprehension?
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > Jim Lambertus
> > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > had
> > > > planned to go out
> > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > now.
> > > > I'll do it
> > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > way.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > been
> > > > a more direct
> > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > >
> > > > And I say to you:
> > > >
> > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > won't
> > > > even talk to the
> > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > Your
> > > > attitude will
> > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > >
> > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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68577 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: does anyone know the website for buying vjc shirts?
Thanks to all that answered. I am trying to find a decent shopping cart
program that we can use here at work. It is for and NT Server.
94xjoe
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...>
To: "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: does anyone know the website for buying vjc shirts?
> hi Joe,
>
> If you are looking for the standard VJC shirt, goto www.azvjc.org,
> and it is right there on the front page.
>
> If you are looking for the Coves cleanup shirt, e-mail me your name,
> size of shirt(s) you want and your e-mail address. I will have a
> price in a few days, ~$12.00
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...> wrote:
> > TIA
> >
> > 94xjoe
>
68578 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I like the part where they discribe us as off-roading mobs!! Yeah,
thats kinda working together.
Neal Han****,
ARC
"say what you mean, mean what you say, the people that matter won't
mind and the people that mind DON'T MATTER!"
Dr. Seuss
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BLM's draft plan preferred alternative proposes to re-open all of
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Comments on the draft will be accepted by BLM until June 28: BLM-El
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Please attend one of the BLM public hearings on this plan and speak
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ml and http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
Contact Daniel Patterson, CBD Desert Ecologist, for more information:
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Page updated: 04/10/02
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> I asked you first.
>
> At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > > Are you reading for comprehension?
> > >
> > > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > > Jim Lambertus
> > > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > > had
> > > > > planned to go out
> > > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > > now.
> > > > > I'll do it
> > > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > > been
> > > > > a more direct
> > > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I say to you:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > > won't
> > > > > even talk to the
> > > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > > Your
> > > > > attitude will
> > > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
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68579 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
Did you keep the 6 bolt Chevy pattern? Did you do a shackle reversal
up front?
Thanks,
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> I did the full width swap in mine using Chevy axles. I'm using
stock
> Wrangler leaves with one or two added. I patterned my setup after
Ross
> Skinner's setup. It has proven good in Ross's Jeep and now in
mine. If you
> want pictures or to swing by my place to take a look at it, just
let me know.
>
> Just FYI, the front setup was a little interesting with reguards to
keeping
> caster in a usable range. I drive mine DAILY to and from work with
38's and
> full width axles. Drives great with no issues.
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
68580 From: Forrester, Steven C <steven.c.forrester@l...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:11pm
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
That's cool. I'll try to post more tonight when I can spend more time on the
board. I have very strong opinions on this subject and would love nothing
more than to keep this thread alive for days.....even at the risk of turning
it into soporific drivel. ;-) I'll be at the Spook Rally if anyone wants to
continue this discussion on and uninterrupted basis. But be warned, I like
the open spaces that "this" chasm provides. :-)
Zilla
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:52 PM
To: 'scramzilla'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Thank you. I could stick to monosyllabic words but is much less fun for
me to do so. As for the opinion part, indeed; most everything I write
is my opinion unless I use the word fact in my pontifications.
I think that this is a healthy discussion, and don't find it in the
least bit destructive. I like hearing your opinion, and even more, I
enjoy disagreeing with you and the resulting debate which occurs.
I look forward to seeing you on the Coves cleanup.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Zilla wrote:
You need to read all my threads....I have never said that they
(whoever) should not be included in any cleanup. The
"find yourself crumpled at the bottom of a chasm with others of your
kind while the rest of us standing together above find a solution
which good for everyone." part of your email is grandiose at the very
least. All this "stuff", for lack of a better word, is
opinion....nothing more.
68581 From: jimmy lambertus <jeepnazus@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I just wanted to know if this was the same person who
posted yesterday that they have a sierra club sticker
on their vehicle.
This is just my opinion but I believe it would
be a bad idea to involve them (sc) at all.Bottom line
is it wont make one iotta if this person sees us in a
different light, the Sc dosent want us on our land
with anything that has wheels.
I would rather be crumpled at the bottom of
the chasm standing up for what I believe in than on
top holding hands with the enemy singing Kumbyah (sp).
Jim Lambertus
--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> I asked you first.
>
> At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > > Are you reading for comprehension?
> > >
> > > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus
> wrote:
> > > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > > Jim Lambertus
> > > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year
> and
> > > had
> > > > > planned to go out
> > > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But
> not
> > > now.
> > > > > I'll do it
> > > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the
> same
> > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would
> have
> > > been
> > > > > a more direct
> > > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I say to you:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded
> "I
> > > won't
> > > > > even talk to the
> > > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the
> adults.
> > > Your
> > > > > attitude will
> > > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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68582 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
At 07:06 PM 10/24/2002 +0000, azredrocker wrote:
>I like the part where they discribe us as off-roading mobs!! Yeah,
>thats kinda working together.
I can't believe that those tree-huggers would call us off-roading mobs!
The nerve of them?!
BTW- wasn't Imperial Dunes the place where the Ranger was assaulted by
off-roaders? I heard they mobbed him...
68583 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
At 12:14 PM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
>I just wanted to know if this was the same person who
>posted yesterday that they have a sierra club sticker
>on their vehicle.
> This is just my opinion but I believe it would
>be a bad idea to involve them (sc) at all.Bottom line
>is it wont make one iotta if this person sees us in a
>different light, the Sc dosent want us on our land
>with anything that has wheels.
> I would rather be crumpled at the bottom of
>the chasm standing up for what I believe in than on
>top holding hands with the enemy singing Kumbyah (sp).
> Jim Lambertus
I have nothing to do with the Sierra Club. I have been involved in the
fight for OHV access in AZ for over 20 years. I am 28 years old, my first
brush with access being cut off in AZ was as a 5 year old riding a dirt
bike (motorcycle) up on the Mogollon Rim. That first fight was WITH A
SIERRA CLUBBER in the 1970s. This isn't anything new to me.
Standing up for what you believe in is not the same as cutting off yer nose
to spite your face, which is more like what you are actually accomplishing.
Standing up for what you believe in is using all methods and processes
available to you in order to keep our land open. If a SC asks to come on a
cleanup, will it do us any good? Maybe, maybe not. If we refuse them, and
tell them to go jump off a cliff does that do us any good in our fight?
Definitely not. So I choose maybe. *shrug*
68584 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: YJ Track Bar Poll
Rear Track bar is useless on a YJ, IMO. In fact, if you've lifted the Jeep, left the bar on, and do not have a relocating bracket...the bar may remove itself after a little hard wheeling.
Removal of the front trackbar and swaybar is more of a personal choice. It's possible, but leaves your on-road handling compromised. FWIW, I don't run either of those bars either.
Tom
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:36:08 -0700
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
68585 From: blt4rox <blt4rox@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: Jeep blinders
Take off the Jeep blinders, buddy. Most of the vehicles on extreme
trails give merely the appearance of being a Jeep. Damn near
everything in them is off some other vehicle. It's not what you buy,
it's what you build.
Sean
--- In az_vjc@y..., cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> Well I might as well give my two cents worth here. The key word
of the club
> is JEEP. Not that I have anything against Fords, Chevys, Dodges
or the
> multitude of yuppie rice burners out there (hell yeah I do), but
there is a
> just more than the love of the sport/recreation of wheeling that
has brought
> all of us together, we must not forget that we belong to a
brotherhood, we
> are Jeep owners. Jeep, the 1st, the one the only. If it were not
for the
> proud heritage of the iron horses that we ride into the great
outdoors I
> would hate to think that we would all be riding mules and horses
with the
> Sierra Club on our beloved trails. I personally belong to 4
clubs and am
> proud to say that ALL 4 are JEEP ONLY clubs and I own more than a
half dozen
> Jeeps and nothing else. There is something to be said about a
line of
> 50-100 Jeeps going down the road together and people will look and
probably
> envy. Would it really be the same with non-Jeeps in the convoy?
Being
> part of a large Jeep convoy on several occaisions, I think not.
Now having
> said that, I absolutely LOVED my first "run" with the AZVJC this
past weekend
> in Sedona! The run was organised and led by a Toyota owner and I
kept
> ribbing him all day about it but he and his other Toyota buddy were
a great
> bunch of wheelers and I appreciated the opportunity to make my 1st
run with
> the club with them. I also appreciated the opportunity to meet
several Jeep
> members and got some great ideas for some of my rigs back home
here. When
> I arrived with my gal in Sedona and introduced myself as Mike, one
of the
> members said "Mike from PA, I emailed you". It made me feel good
that
> someone remembered and didnt hold it against me that I didnt live
in AZ, yet.
> I wish I could remember all the names of the people I met last
weekend, but
> the only ones that really come to mind are Scott and John, who both
were
> refreshingly enthusiastic on the trails, especially Scott......I
think the
> funniest quote early in the day was for Scott to go home as they
had already
> used 4 rolls of film on him alone and were running
low......LOL.......hint,
> buy a digital camera, I took over 400 pics, probably 200 of Scott
and
> John......way to go guys ! And by the way, that 2003 ZJ had 562
miles on
> it when I was done Sunday, and the only damage was minor on the
underneath
> :-) .....The VJC is a GREAT club, there seems to be a great
degree of
> comradery and a genuine love of the marque and the sport. I am so
impressed
> with the willingness to help other members work on their rigs for a
few cold
> ones and some grub. None of the other clubs I am in have such a
commitment
> towards the sport or the members. I am one of the few people in
my clubs
> here at home that will help someone install a lift kit or help out
with
> mechanical problems.........hell I have even helped the guys in the
Toyota
> club install lift kits (and you thought your XJ was a pain in the
*** to
> lift, try one of them Toys sometime). Keep on doing what you are
doing as
> you do it best. I cannot wait to find a job in my field in the
Phoenix area
> so I can bring my Jeeps to spend more time with the club and of
course my gal
> who lives there. Keep on fighting for your rights, take the SC
on the
> clean ups and by all means, join them and infiltrate them, support
the groups
> that lobby for your rights or you will be stuck as I am out here
with having
> to pay $40 a day to go play in an ORV park like Paragon and be
guided around
> by trail guides that have no sense of humor or adventure.
>
> Mike
>
> P.S. to Jason LaLiberty - thanks for the great by on the SYE
kit, you were
> so right about those snap ring pliers.....dang them rings were a
bear to get
> off but I got a set to put the new ones on......now if only I can
get someone
> to help me get that darn 231 hooked back up I would be in
business! Oh and
> BTW, you have a great looking TJ !
68586 From: <simbosi@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:42pm
Subject: Engagement at Sedona a success!!!!!
I want to thank everyone for the help and suggestions. The Mystic view area provided an excellent location for a little wheeling, a fine picnic, and poppin' the question. Fantastic views and no damn pink Jeeps.
and yes, she did say YES!
No for the wedding......does anyone have any tranquilizers for a mother-in-law???
thanks,
David Simpso
'02 TJ
68587 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Engagement at Sedona a success!!!!!
At 03:42 PM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I want to thank everyone for the help and suggestions. The Mystic view
area provided an excellent location for a little wheeling, a fine picnic,
and poppin' the question. Fantastic views and no damn pink Jeeps.
>
>and yes, she did say YES!
>
>No for the wedding......does anyone have any tranquilizers for a
mother-in-law???
>
>thanks,
>David Simpso
>'02 TJ
>
>
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>
>
Speaking of Sedona, I just got back from a shunpiking trip to Los Alamos
to pick up a couple of microvaxxen that a friend there was throwing out
because "he didn't have enough room.". Heh. Geeks. =) Anyway, I am
now a proud owner of a microvax 3500 and a microvax/II rack-mount.
I took the back way out of Los Alamos down off the mesa through a
place called Jemez Springs. It's like Sedona/Oak Creek Canyon, but
about a thousand times prettier. =)
If anyone wants a report of the entire shunpike (I had a wild fun
time, no four-wheeling, though, except for one stretch north of
Bingham), I can write it up.
Tony
--
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68563 From: Dan Schwartz <azdanimal@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 10:51am
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Joe,
Aunt Suzie is a real looker in her robe, with her teeth out.
Dan
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Kearney [mailto:Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Dan Schwartz
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
So Dan,
What do the Aunt Suzie's knitting club women look like?
I will take one in my Jeep.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Schwartz"
To:
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:04 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> I have been watching this conversation for several days now. All I have
to
> say is, I will have an extra seat in my jeep that is available to anyone
who
> wants to help clean the coves. I don't care if they are with the sierra
> club or aunt suzies knitting club. I care for the environment and want to
> clean it up. Invite the everyone you can think of and lets clean the
coves.
>
> Remember the old saying "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer"
>
> Dan Schwartz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Jacques [mailto:bjacques@millerwholesalelumber.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:44 AM
> To: 'Joe West'; 'scramzilla'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
>
> Just a small caveat here, IF the SC folks do attend, as I think they will.
> And IF they honestly join in, work, and enjoy the newfound camaraderie of
> the AzVJC, as I hope they will. And IF both groups can leave the politics
> and sidewalk psychology out of the equation, at least for the day, then we
> must make sure that we collectively control ourselves to make sure this is
a
> win-win situation and the Coves get cleaned up ! And possibly... just
> possibly... both groups can come away with a little better understanding
of
> all viewpoints...
>
> Bob Jacques
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 9:16 AM
> To: 'scramzilla'
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
>
> Steven,
>
> Unfortunately, this situation isn't quite as black and white as your
> email below might lead one to believe you think it is. Since we live in
> a free society, the Sierra Club is completely free to come out and watch
> us work.
> If they choose to try and point out something that we may do wrong (such
> as accidentally run over an endangered rock) during the cleanup, it will
> be a relatively easy task to show where our hearts were at and that we
> were indeed trying to do the right thing.
>
> I suspect that the Sierra Club is smart enough to know that pointing
> fingers at a group that is trying to do good things will result in their
> ultimate demise. While there are radicals on both sides (your comments
> below might lead one to believe that you are one of these) of the
> issues, I believe them to be in the minority, and I am thankful that
> they are.
>
> It takes a wise person to understand that ultimately, those who's goals
> are just will triumph. No matter what happens by bringing in the Sierra
> Club (albeit perhaps only one or two members) and showing them how we
> work together during the coves cleanup; the result will be positive.
>
> It is easy for narrow minds on both sides of the issue to not trust the
> other side. It is much more difficult to do the right thing always...
> regardless of the potential consequences. In this case Steven, the
> right thing is to clean up the coves and allow everyone who wants to
> watch or participate, to do so. Consider this; even if we did not want
> to include them, we cannot stop them. So why not invite them to
> participate in the hopes that they will see how earnestly we are trying
> to make amends for the ignorant slobs among our community who made the
> mess at the coves in the first place?
>
> I'll step down now... and allow you to comment if you wish. You stand
> on a platform that is indefensible, and right next to you stand the
> extremists from the other side. You fail to recognize that ultimately,
> the plank you stand on will fail, and you will find yourself crumpled at
> the bottom of a chasm with others of your kind while the rest of us
> standing together above find a solution which good for everyone.
>
> I look forward to your comments.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scramzilla [mailto:steven.c.forrester@lmco.com]
> Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 7:52 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
>
> I don't care if the tree huggers comes to the cleanup or not. I still
> believe she is a Trojan Horse and you naive wheelers will probably
> end up with SC crap on your face. Hey! If I'm wrong, I'm wrong! But I
> would not trust one of those whacked out suck heads as far as I could
> kick them!
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68564 From: <f968190@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 7:02am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
I have an XJ and the light always says "part time hi" when engaged in 4 hi-
or "part time low" when engaged in 4 Low. When in 2 wheel drive, no light is
on. I have the np231 transfer case. I always assumed that this refers to the
fact that the diffs where open on this jeep originally (locked front and rear
now). Maybe I am wrong.
Frank
In a message dated 10/24/02 10:42:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
joey@d... writes:
<< Subj: RE: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
Date: 10/24/02 10:42:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time
From: joey@d... (DesertJeep)
To: fredtj@c... ('FredTJ'), az_vjc@YahooGroups.com ('AzVJC')
True, but the light should be on all the time and go off or change to
full time when shifted to 4hi or 4lo.
Joey K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:36 AM
To: DesertJeep; 'AzVJC'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
All TJ's are "part time 4 wheel drive"... The only time that they are in
4 wheel drive, is when the xfer case is shifted into 4hi or 4lo.
The "dealer" (person) that he talked to, doesn't know what they are
talking about.
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep <mailto:joey@d...>
To: 'AzVJC' <mailto:az_vjc@YahooGroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 10:16 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Part time 4WD TJ question
A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past weekend
went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L automatic.
When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light came
on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a TJ? He
went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have full time
4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
Joey K
93YJ
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68565 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:06am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
weekend
> went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
automatic.
> When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
came
> on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
TJ? He
> went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
full time
> 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
68566 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:07am
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
I did the full width swap in mine using Chevy axles. I'm using stock
Wrangler leaves with one or two added. I patterned my setup after Ross
Skinner's setup. It has proven good in Ross's Jeep and now in mine. If you
want pictures or to swing by my place to take a look at it, just let me know.
Just FYI, the front setup was a little interesting with reguards to keeping
caster in a usable range. I drive mine DAILY to and from work with 38's and
full width axles. Drives great with no issues.
--
----------------------------
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http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
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68567 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:11am
Subject: Another donation just came to my desk....
Just wanted to say thanks to Cludge Sypinski at Chrysler Family Jeep in
PA!!! He heard about the clean up and sent out 2 boxes of stuff for the
raffle, shirts, cleaning kits, hat, and other stuff!!!
Check them out www.familyparts.com
They offer a 20% discount for clubs, and free shipping for orders over
$200.
Have a good day all!
Mike Baney
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68568 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:36am
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
68569 From: Darren Richards <r50880@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:15am
Subject: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
"Part Time 4WD" really means that you're not supposed to have it in 4WD all the time (on pavement) since there's a hard link between front and rear axles, and that would cause a lot of undue stress on drivetrain components. To my knowledge, TJ's don't have "full time 4WD", but I might be wrong. I know that Grand Cherokees have both a "part time 4wd" and a "full time 4wd" setting. The "full-time 4WD" is meant for on-pavement driving.
-darren
DesertJeep wrote:
A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past weekend went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L automatic. When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light came on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a TJ? He went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have full time 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?Joey K93YJ
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68570 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:19am
Subject: Re: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
Sorry Charlie (as the tuna ad says). No so with a TJ and a 231 xfer case.
When you shift the xfer case into 4hi or 4lo, the front *IS* engaged. Jack
up the front end, shifht into 4hi or 4lo, then try to turn the front
tire(s), or, with the front still jacked up and the xfer case in 4hi or 4lo,
slide under the Jeep and turn the driveshaft by hand (or try ;) ).
:)
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
> 2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
> not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
> only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
> weekend
> > went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
> automatic.
> > When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
> came
> > on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
> TJ? He
> > went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
> full time
> > 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68571 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:20am
Subject: Re: Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
Further thoughts, the is *NO* diff. action through the xfer case (231 in a
TJ) and there would have to be for the scenario that you describe to occur.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Part time 4WD TJ question
> 2WD is 2WD not Part time 4WD. 4Hi is "part time 4WD" believe it or
> not the front tires are not in 4WD until your rear tires slip. You
> only are in full time 4WD when you are in 4LOW. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > A friend I work with bought a used 2001 (or 2002) and this past
> weekend
> > went up to Four Peaks to test the 4 wheel drive. It is a 4.0L
> automatic.
> > When he engaged the transfer case into 4Hi the Part Time 4WD light
> came
> > on. The question is: Is there such a thing as part time 4wd in a
> TJ? He
> > went to the dealer and they said that only TJ's back east have
> full time
> > 4WD. Is this a load of crap or what?
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
68572 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:33am
Subject: [FS] Rubicon TJ 4.5" Lift
Price: $1150.00
Contact: mikeg407@cox.net
I thought I had this thing sold on eBay but it fell through so I am putting it back on here at an even lower price. It is brand new still sitting in the box waiting for a jeeper who wants an awesome lift kit. This is a big savings to locals since you dont have to pay shipping. I am still moving in the next few weeks so I need to sell it. Price is pretty firm. Thanks
Mike Garcia
68573 From: Tim Coble <tcoble@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:47am
Subject: Re: poll - rear track bars
Tony,
I removed the one in my now MIA 92 YJ and in my
current 88 XJ. I didn't/haven't noticed any
difference in street handling but a huge difference in
on trail manners. Removing that bad boy really helps
keep the rear rubber on the ground, IMHO.
Tim
Tucson
88XJ
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:36:08 -0700
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
--
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68574 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:52am
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Thank you. I could stick to monosyllabic words but is much less fun for
me to do so. As for the opinion part, indeed; most everything I write
is my opinion unless I use the word fact in my pontifications.
I think that this is a healthy discussion, and don't find it in the
least bit destructive. I like hearing your opinion, and even more, I
enjoy disagreeing with you and the resulting debate which occurs.
I look forward to seeing you on the Coves cleanup.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Zilla wrote:
You need to read all my threads....I have never said that they
(whoever) should not be included in any cleanup. The
"find yourself crumpled at the bottom of a chasm with others of your
kind while the rest of us standing together above find a solution
which good for everyone." part of your email is grandiose at the very
least. All this "stuff", for lack of a better word, is
opinion....nothing more.
68575 From: jimmy lambertus <jeepnazus@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:52am
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Are you?
Jim Lambertus
--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> Are you reading for comprehension?
>
> At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> had
> > > planned to go out
> > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> now.
> > > I'll do it
> > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> way.
> > >
> > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> been
> > > a more direct
> > > way of getting your point across.
> > >
> > > And I say to you:
> > >
> > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> won't
> > > even talk to the
> > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> Your
> > > attitude will
> > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > >
> > > Grow Up a Little,
> > >
> > > Jim
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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68576 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 11:54am
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I asked you first.
At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
>Are you?
> Jim Lambertus
>--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > Are you reading for comprehension?
> >
> > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > Jim Lambertus
> > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > had
> > > > planned to go out
> > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > now.
> > > > I'll do it
> > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > way.
> > > >
> > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > been
> > > > a more direct
> > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > >
> > > > And I say to you:
> > > >
> > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > won't
> > > > even talk to the
> > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > Your
> > > > attitude will
> > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > >
> > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
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68577 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:04pm
Subject: Re: does anyone know the website for buying vjc shirts?
Thanks to all that answered. I am trying to find a decent shopping cart
program that we can use here at work. It is for and NT Server.
94xjoe
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...>
To: "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...>
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 11:32 AM
Subject: Re: does anyone know the website for buying vjc shirts?
> hi Joe,
>
> If you are looking for the standard VJC shirt, goto www.azvjc.org,
> and it is right there on the front page.
>
> If you are looking for the Coves cleanup shirt, e-mail me your name,
> size of shirt(s) you want and your e-mail address. I will have a
> price in a few days, ~$12.00
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joey Martinez" <joey@w...> wrote:
> > TIA
> >
> > 94xjoe
>
68578 From: azredrocker <gotrox@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:06pm
Subject: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I like the part where they discribe us as off-roading mobs!! Yeah,
thats kinda working together.
Neal Han****,
ARC
"say what you mean, mean what you say, the people that matter won't
mind and the people that mind DON'T MATTER!"
Dr. Seuss
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Grand Canyon Sierra Club Alert!
by Daniel Patterson, Center for Biological Diversity Desert Ecologist,
PLEASE HELP KEEP IMPORTANT DESERT PROTECTIONS - ATTEND PUBLIC HEARINGS
KEEP ORV LIMITS IN PLACE
The Bureau of Land Management has released a draft management plan
for the scenic and fragile Algodones Sand Dunes - a.k.a. Imperial
Dunes - within the Sonoran Desert of Southeastern California. To
protect the threatened Peirson's milkvetch and other rare wildlife,
since Nov. 2000, 49,310 acres of the dunes have been protected from
off-roading mobs by a legal settlement between the Center, Sierra
Club, Public Employees for Environmental Responsibility, BLM and 5
off-road groups.
BLM's draft plan preferred alternative proposes to re-open all of
these protected areas to destructive off-roading. BLM also fails
monitor air quality and to set limits on unmanageable crowds which
have grown to 200,000 on some weekends. To get a free copy of the
draft dunes plan (RAMP) and environmental impact statement (DEIS)
mailed to you, contact Jim Komatinsky of BLM, 760.337.4427; e-mail:
rtrost@c...; or visit www.ca.blm.gov.
Comments on the draft will be accepted by BLM until June 28: BLM-El
Centro Field Office, 1661 S. 4th St., El Centro CA 92243,
760.337.4490 fax; e-mail comments to: caisd@c...
Please attend one of the BLM public hearings on this plan and speak
for dunes conservation through BLM at least maintaining all currently
closed areas, and setting visitor limits based on what BLM can handle
without draining Rangers from other agencies and wild places. for
more information on the amazing Algodones Dunes:
http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/goldenstate/cdca/algodones.ht
ml and http://www.dpcinc.org/theplacenooneknew.htm
Contact Daniel Patterson, CBD Desert Ecologist, for more information:
dpatterson@b..., or call 520.623.5252 x 306
All meetings are 7-10pm.
4/15/02, Phoenix, AZ
Phoenix College
1202 West Thomas Rd.
Phoenix, AZ 85013
4/23/02, Yuma, AZ
Yuma Civic and Convention Center
1440 W Desert Hills Dr.
Yuma, AZ 85365
Transportation available to Phoenix from Tucson starting from the
Center for Biological Diversity, Tucson office, at 5pm. Please
contact AJ Schneller at 520.623.5252 x 314 or ajschneller@h...
if you can make it.
The wild desert needs your support now.
Thanks, Daniel Patterson
___________________________________
Sandy Bahr
Conservation Outreach Director
Sierra Club - Grand Canyon Chapter
202 E. McDowell Rd, Suite 277
Phoenix, AZ 85004
Phone (602) 253-8633 Fax (602) 258-6533
grand.canyon.chapter@s...
Page updated: 04/10/02
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> I asked you first.
>
> At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > > Are you reading for comprehension?
> > >
> > > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> > > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > > Jim Lambertus
> > > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year and
> > > had
> > > > > planned to go out
> > > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not
> > > now.
> > > > > I'll do it
> > > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the same
> > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have
> > > been
> > > > > a more direct
> > > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I say to you:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded "I
> > > won't
> > > > > even talk to the
> > > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults.
> > > Your
> > > > > attitude will
> > > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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68579 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
Did you keep the 6 bolt Chevy pattern? Did you do a shackle reversal
up front?
Thanks,
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., Jay Eller <jay@t...> wrote:
> I did the full width swap in mine using Chevy axles. I'm using
stock
> Wrangler leaves with one or two added. I patterned my setup after
Ross
> Skinner's setup. It has proven good in Ross's Jeep and now in
mine. If you
> want pictures or to swing by my place to take a look at it, just
let me know.
>
> Just FYI, the front setup was a little interesting with reguards to
keeping
> caster in a usable range. I drive mine DAILY to and from work with
38's and
> full width axles. Drives great with no issues.
>
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://www.toyboxoffroad.com)
> http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut
> http://community.webshots.com/user/jay_at_toybox)
68580 From: Forrester, Steven C <steven.c.forrester@l...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:11pm
Subject: RE: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
That's cool. I'll try to post more tonight when I can spend more time on the
board. I have very strong opinions on this subject and would love nothing
more than to keep this thread alive for days.....even at the risk of turning
it into soporific drivel. ;-) I'll be at the Spook Rally if anyone wants to
continue this discussion on and uninterrupted basis. But be warned, I like
the open spaces that "this" chasm provides. :-)
Zilla
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 2:52 PM
To: 'scramzilla'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Thank you. I could stick to monosyllabic words but is much less fun for
me to do so. As for the opinion part, indeed; most everything I write
is my opinion unless I use the word fact in my pontifications.
I think that this is a healthy discussion, and don't find it in the
least bit destructive. I like hearing your opinion, and even more, I
enjoy disagreeing with you and the resulting debate which occurs.
I look forward to seeing you on the Coves cleanup.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
Zilla wrote:
You need to read all my threads....I have never said that they
(whoever) should not be included in any cleanup. The
"find yourself crumpled at the bottom of a chasm with others of your
kind while the rest of us standing together above find a solution
which good for everyone." part of your email is grandiose at the very
least. All this "stuff", for lack of a better word, is
opinion....nothing more.
68581 From: jimmy lambertus <jeepnazus@y...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
I just wanted to know if this was the same person who
posted yesterday that they have a sierra club sticker
on their vehicle.
This is just my opinion but I believe it would
be a bad idea to involve them (sc) at all.Bottom line
is it wont make one iotta if this person sees us in a
different light, the Sc dosent want us on our land
with anything that has wheels.
I would rather be crumpled at the bottom of
the chasm standing up for what I believe in than on
top holding hands with the enemy singing Kumbyah (sp).
Jim Lambertus
--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> I asked you first.
>
> At 11:52 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
> >Are you?
> > Jim Lambertus
> >--- Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> > > Are you reading for comprehension?
> > >
> > > At 09:03 AM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus
> wrote:
> > > >Are you a member of the Sierra Club ?
> > > > Jim Lambertus
> > > >--- wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I am not going to Parker Splash this year
> and
> > > had
> > > > > planned to go out
> > > > > > with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But
> not
> > > now.
> > > > > I'll do it
> > > > > > somewhere else with others that feel the
> same
> > > way.
> > > > >
> > > > > "I'm taking my toys and going home." Would
> have
> > > been
> > > > > a more direct
> > > > > way of getting your point across.
> > > > >
> > > > > And I say to you:
> > > > >
> > > > > Good, take your toys and your close minded
> "I
> > > won't
> > > > > even talk to the
> > > > > enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the
> adults.
> > > Your
> > > > > attitude will
> > > > > only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
> > > > >
> > > > > Grow Up a Little,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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68582 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
At 07:06 PM 10/24/2002 +0000, azredrocker wrote:
>I like the part where they discribe us as off-roading mobs!! Yeah,
>thats kinda working together.
I can't believe that those tree-huggers would call us off-roading mobs!
The nerve of them?!
BTW- wasn't Imperial Dunes the place where the Ranger was assaulted by
off-roaders? I heard they mobbed him...
68583 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
At 12:14 PM 10/24/2002 -0700, jimmy lambertus wrote:
>I just wanted to know if this was the same person who
>posted yesterday that they have a sierra club sticker
>on their vehicle.
> This is just my opinion but I believe it would
>be a bad idea to involve them (sc) at all.Bottom line
>is it wont make one iotta if this person sees us in a
>different light, the Sc dosent want us on our land
>with anything that has wheels.
> I would rather be crumpled at the bottom of
>the chasm standing up for what I believe in than on
>top holding hands with the enemy singing Kumbyah (sp).
> Jim Lambertus
I have nothing to do with the Sierra Club. I have been involved in the
fight for OHV access in AZ for over 20 years. I am 28 years old, my first
brush with access being cut off in AZ was as a 5 year old riding a dirt
bike (motorcycle) up on the Mogollon Rim. That first fight was WITH A
SIERRA CLUBBER in the 1970s. This isn't anything new to me.
Standing up for what you believe in is not the same as cutting off yer nose
to spite your face, which is more like what you are actually accomplishing.
Standing up for what you believe in is using all methods and processes
available to you in order to keep our land open. If a SC asks to come on a
cleanup, will it do us any good? Maybe, maybe not. If we refuse them, and
tell them to go jump off a cliff does that do us any good in our fight?
Definitely not. So I choose maybe. *shrug*
68584 From: Tom Jacobson <tjacobson@t...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: YJ Track Bar Poll
Rear Track bar is useless on a YJ, IMO. In fact, if you've lifted the Jeep, left the bar on, and do not have a relocating bracket...the bar may remove itself after a little hard wheeling.
Removal of the front trackbar and swaybar is more of a personal choice. It's possible, but leaves your on-road handling compromised. FWIW, I don't run either of those bars either.
Tom
Message: 25
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 11:36:08 -0700
From: "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...>
Subject: poll
To the club at large:
Just wondering... How many YJ owners (and similar)
have removed the rear track bar from his/her jeep?
Thanks,
Tony
68585 From: blt4rox <blt4rox@e...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:35pm
Subject: Jeep blinders
Take off the Jeep blinders, buddy. Most of the vehicles on extreme
trails give merely the appearance of being a Jeep. Damn near
everything in them is off some other vehicle. It's not what you buy,
it's what you build.
Sean
--- In az_vjc@y..., cowboy7575@a... wrote:
> Well I might as well give my two cents worth here. The key word
of the club
> is JEEP. Not that I have anything against Fords, Chevys, Dodges
or the
> multitude of yuppie rice burners out there (hell yeah I do), but
there is a
> just more than the love of the sport/recreation of wheeling that
has brought
> all of us together, we must not forget that we belong to a
brotherhood, we
> are Jeep owners. Jeep, the 1st, the one the only. If it were not
for the
> proud heritage of the iron horses that we ride into the great
outdoors I
> would hate to think that we would all be riding mules and horses
with the
> Sierra Club on our beloved trails. I personally belong to 4
clubs and am
> proud to say that ALL 4 are JEEP ONLY clubs and I own more than a
half dozen
> Jeeps and nothing else. There is something to be said about a
line of
> 50-100 Jeeps going down the road together and people will look and
probably
> envy. Would it really be the same with non-Jeeps in the convoy?
Being
> part of a large Jeep convoy on several occaisions, I think not.
Now having
> said that, I absolutely LOVED my first "run" with the AZVJC this
past weekend
> in Sedona! The run was organised and led by a Toyota owner and I
kept
> ribbing him all day about it but he and his other Toyota buddy were
a great
> bunch of wheelers and I appreciated the opportunity to make my 1st
run with
> the club with them. I also appreciated the opportunity to meet
several Jeep
> members and got some great ideas for some of my rigs back home
here. When
> I arrived with my gal in Sedona and introduced myself as Mike, one
of the
> members said "Mike from PA, I emailed you". It made me feel good
that
> someone remembered and didnt hold it against me that I didnt live
in AZ, yet.
> I wish I could remember all the names of the people I met last
weekend, but
> the only ones that really come to mind are Scott and John, who both
were
> refreshingly enthusiastic on the trails, especially Scott......I
think the
> funniest quote early in the day was for Scott to go home as they
had already
> used 4 rolls of film on him alone and were running
low......LOL.......hint,
> buy a digital camera, I took over 400 pics, probably 200 of Scott
and
> John......way to go guys ! And by the way, that 2003 ZJ had 562
miles on
> it when I was done Sunday, and the only damage was minor on the
underneath
> :-) .....The VJC is a GREAT club, there seems to be a great
degree of
> comradery and a genuine love of the marque and the sport. I am so
impressed
> with the willingness to help other members work on their rigs for a
few cold
> ones and some grub. None of the other clubs I am in have such a
commitment
> towards the sport or the members. I am one of the few people in
my clubs
> here at home that will help someone install a lift kit or help out
with
> mechanical problems.........hell I have even helped the guys in the
Toyota
> club install lift kits (and you thought your XJ was a pain in the
*** to
> lift, try one of them Toys sometime). Keep on doing what you are
doing as
> you do it best. I cannot wait to find a job in my field in the
Phoenix area
> so I can bring my Jeeps to spend more time with the club and of
course my gal
> who lives there. Keep on fighting for your rights, take the SC
on the
> clean ups and by all means, join them and infiltrate them, support
the groups
> that lobby for your rights or you will be stuck as I am out here
with having
> to pay $40 a day to go play in an ORV park like Paragon and be
guided around
> by trail guides that have no sense of humor or adventure.
>
> Mike
>
> P.S. to Jason LaLiberty - thanks for the great by on the SYE
kit, you were
> so right about those snap ring pliers.....dang them rings were a
bear to get
> off but I got a set to put the new ones on......now if only I can
get someone
> to help me get that darn 231 hooked back up I would be in
business! Oh and
> BTW, you have a great looking TJ !
68586 From: <simbosi@a...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 0:42pm
Subject: Engagement at Sedona a success!!!!!
I want to thank everyone for the help and suggestions. The Mystic view area provided an excellent location for a little wheeling, a fine picnic, and poppin' the question. Fantastic views and no damn pink Jeeps.
and yes, she did say YES!
No for the wedding......does anyone have any tranquilizers for a mother-in-law???
thanks,
David Simpso
'02 TJ
68587 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Thu Oct 24, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: Re: Engagement at Sedona a success!!!!!
At 03:42 PM 10/24/02 -0400, you wrote:
>I want to thank everyone for the help and suggestions. The Mystic view
area provided an excellent location for a little wheeling, a fine picnic,
and poppin' the question. Fantastic views and no damn pink Jeeps.
>
>and yes, she did say YES!
>
>No for the wedding......does anyone have any tranquilizers for a
mother-in-law???
>
>thanks,
>David Simpso
>'02 TJ
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
Speaking of Sedona, I just got back from a shunpiking trip to Los Alamos
to pick up a couple of microvaxxen that a friend there was throwing out
because "he didn't have enough room.". Heh. Geeks. =) Anyway, I am
now a proud owner of a microvax 3500 and a microvax/II rack-mount.
I took the back way out of Los Alamos down off the mesa through a
place called Jemez Springs. It's like Sedona/Oak Creek Canyon, but
about a thousand times prettier. =)
If anyone wants a report of the entire shunpike (I had a wild fun
time, no four-wheeling, though, except for one stretch north of
Bingham), I can write it up.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril