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68488 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: RE: top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
LOL, that's a good one Robert.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
To: 'graymatterwj'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
In his case it would be a sap sucker.... ;)
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
To: "'graymatterwj'" <graymatterwj@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
> You forgot the line where it says, "Incorporation would necessitate
> the time and advice of a spineless blood sucker otherwise known as a
> lawyer"
>
>
> LOL - Just kidding Brian.
>
>
> Scott K
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: graymatterwj [mailto:graymatterwj@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
>
>
> Ok folks, its time for the top ten list.
>
> Number 10 - The webpage is already in my favorites folder.
>
> Number 9 - If it ain't broken, what the hell - break it.
>
> Number 8 - The grass is always greener. (no not prop 203!)
>
> Number 7 - I have almost figured out this email list service.
>
> Number 6 - The email flame wars NEVER get out of hand.
>
> Number 5 - I have finally convinced most of you I am not a tree hugger
> incognito.
>
> Number 4 - When you have a group of leaders running a group (i.e.,
> President, VP etc.) the rest of the group gets complacent and assumes
> it will get taken care of and not step up to the plate.
>
> Number 3 - How else are we going to see Stu trip over his own tongue
> on TV (Sorry Stu...I had to do it!).
>
> Number 2 - Where else can I go and read an email about a trip report
> by people I have never met on a trail I have never been on and find it
> quite interesting.
>
> Number 1 - Why can't we just all get along!
>
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
>
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68489 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:38pm
Subject: RE: James Towle
Jake,
Somewhere in the east valley there is a big hole in the ground with a little satellite antenna poking out of the brush. Rumor has it that is where James is.
;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] James Towle
James:
You put a post on here the other day wondering where I am and where your motor mounts are? I replied to your personal e-mail over the weekend and have not gotten a response. I figured I'd try you on here since you've posted quite a bit lately.
Jake
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68490 From: wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
> with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
> somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
68491 From: <rioshilo@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Rio
In a message dated 10/23/2002 5:45:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wheelenx2@yahoo.com writes:
>I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
>with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
>somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
68492 From: ajeepgirlinaz <ajeepgirlinaz@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Hello!
Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
line and say hello. Talk to you later.
68493 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Hmmm, all I'm seeing here is allot of words that may have to be eaten later.
Just as you cautioned Neal, I'll caution you.
None of us but perhaps Len know her.
Personally, I have a neutral stance on this, with hopes for the best outcome possible.
Invite her, and her friends, always put the best foot forward, you can't go wrong.
Just remember, there are 2 sides to every story, and it is possible she may report back to the Sierra Club she's converted the entire AZVJC and got all of you hugging trees like never before.
You and I know it not to be true, but then, we're on this side of the story.....
There's nothing wrong with Neal's view, just because it doesn't agree with yours. If he doesn't want to participate, how's that hurt you? If you ask me, it doesn't and at least in the immediate future it helps you.
I'd have to say I disagree with you on the point that he's just like the extremists from SC.
They wouldn't give you the benefit of knowing where they stand, they'd just show up and crash your little party.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: rioshilo@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Rio
In a message dated 10/23/2002 5:45:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wheelenx2@yahoo.com writes:
>I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
>with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
>somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
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68494 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:33pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Welcome!
Hope to see you around.
Be Good.
Later.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hello!
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
68495 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or Organization!
That is: http://www.mesa4x4.com/led_r_us.html
Good site, lots of good information.
Thanks,
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:10 PM
> To: James Towle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> Organization!
>
>
> Mesa 4x4 or something. go to www.mesa4x4.com-led_r_us.html
> Write up and all there.
> Bill W
> K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> Organization!
>
>
> > LOL
> >
> > It was auto safety house, or something like that. Joey K. knows...
> >
> > I have another place at the end of my LED write up
> > (http://www.dpgoffroad.com/tech/led.htm), you can compare to.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> > > First off... ROFLMAO (makes it hard to type also) What was the name
> > > of the place David Withers flamed for not having good customer
> > > service that sells lights and stuff? I want to pick up some round
> > > LED lights for the back-o-da-rig. Didn't they also have a website
> > > you can order from so I don't have to drive my lazy *** down there?
> > > Sorry I just had to get at least one semi-Jeep related topic on the
> > > board today! LOL :) Besides I can sum up the posts in a couple
> > > seconds...
> > > post: hey lets organize so we can do nifty stuff
> > > most replies: hell no!
> > > other replies: you guys suck
> > > general consensus: yup we suck... nothings changed!
> > >
> > > my opinion.... I love you guys!!! Who needs cable TV when you got
> > > the AZVJC!!! :) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
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68496 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Where has Duffy been? Did he take off with David? LOL
Welcome.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me
a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
68497 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Welcome to the club. What model Jeep do you have?
----- Original Message -----
From: ajeepgirlinaz
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hello!
Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
line and say hello. Talk to you later.
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68498 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:34pm
Subject: Re: James Towle
Scott,
That's about the size of it too.
Every since getting home from the Jamboree I have been dodging flack
from the little, itty bitty scratches I put in my fender flares. LOL
When I get the mud washed off I tried to hide the scratches with I
might post some pictures. ROFLMAO
Anyone know of a good paint guy, East side. The flares, need to be
stripped and repainted, no pounding or bondo. I can remove them. GOD,
I can't wait to get the CJ finished, none of this BS.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Jake,
>
> Somewhere in the east valley there is a big hole in the ground with
a
> little satellite antenna poking out of the brush. Rumor has it that
is
> where James is.
>
> ;D
>
>
> Scott K
>
> <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Scott/My%
20Documents/signature/im
> age001.jpg>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] James Towle
>
>
>
> James:
>
> You put a post on here the other day wondering where I am and where
your
> motor mounts are? I replied to your personal e-mail over the
weekend
> and have not gotten a response. I figured I'd try you on here since
> you've posted quite a bit lately.
>
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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68499 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: This good
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972148818
68500 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or Organization!
Thanks for the correction James....
Bill W
K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
Organization!
>
> That is: http://www.mesa4x4.com/led_r_us.html
>
> Good site, lots of good information.
>
> Thanks,
> --James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:10 PM
> > To: James Towle
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> > Organization!
> >
> >
> > Mesa 4x4 or something. go to www.mesa4x4.com-led_r_us.html
> > Write up and all there.
> > Bill W
> > K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> > 97 TJ with a few mods.
> > http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> > Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:32 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> > Organization!
> >
> >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > It was auto safety house, or something like that. Joey K. knows...
> > >
> > > I have another place at the end of my LED write up
> > > (http://www.dpgoffroad.com/tech/led.htm), you can compare to.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> > > > First off... ROFLMAO (makes it hard to type also) What was the name
> > > > of the place David Withers flamed for not having good customer
> > > > service that sells lights and stuff? I want to pick up some round
> > > > LED lights for the back-o-da-rig. Didn't they also have a website
> > > > you can order from so I don't have to drive my lazy *** down there?
> > > > Sorry I just had to get at least one semi-Jeep related topic on the
> > > > board today! LOL :) Besides I can sum up the posts in a couple
> > > > seconds...
> > > > post: hey lets organize so we can do nifty stuff
> > > > most replies: hell no!
> > > > other replies: you guys suck
> > > > general consensus: yup we suck... nothings changed!
> > > >
> > > > my opinion.... I love you guys!!! Who needs cable TV when you got
> > > > the AZVJC!!! :) -Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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>
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>
>
>
68501 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:10pm
Subject: FC-170 Tire upgrade+Thanks to Beer !
I swapped out the old, bald, bias-plys on my Forward Control truck
for Mrs. Flexy's used 31" Enforcer MT's today, and mucho thanks to
Rick "Beer" Biertempfel at Discount Tire (3rd Ave & Bell) for
supplying the brand new 15x7 Chrome Spoke rims, same-day service
too.
The truck suddenly looks better. I'll post a picture tomorrow.
Russell
68502 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me
a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
Hello and welcome...
Where has Duffy been??
Roy
68503 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:28pm
Subject: [FS] 1" Daystar MM lift for TJ
Price: $70
Contact: Jason LaLiberty 602-999-4516
Brand new in box
Thanks,
Jason
Jason LaLiberty
68504 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:28pm
Subject: [TR] Raw Deal (Lower) - Saturday, October 26, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jason LaLiberty is leading a Raw Deal (Lower) trail run on Saturday, October 26, 2002.
When: 8:00am
Where: I-17 and Carefree Highway
Rating: 3.5+
Length: 4-6 Hours
CB Channel: 4
Hi there,
I would like to run both lower and upper. Also maybe going on to Table Mesa Rd. depending on timing.
I have been on this trail only once. Would like someone else to lead if they are interested. I do have directions on how to get there. Trail is easy to follow once you get to the trailhead.
Thanks,
Jason
Raw Deal is a short trail (1.2 miles) that begins and ends in a wash. It offers a little bit of something for everybody. Many of the obstacles can be taken with varying degrees of difficulty, and a couple can be bypassed. As is the case with many AZ trails, it is best if accompanied by someone who has ran the trail before. There are a few spots were a good spotter will be appreciated. The are several bedrock "cracks" to negotiate, as well as a few rock ledges, varying sized boulders, etc.
Remember to bring your camera and Water.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68505 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Okay, and now for the real question...
Is she cute?
Oh, come on. Somebody had to say it. :-)
Mike
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Bill wrote:
> Overall I agree it will be nice to have an opportunity to show her
> what we're really like as opposed to what she thinks we're like. But
> I suggest we not overestimate the impact that will have on her. For
> instance, it's been my experience that some of these Sierra Club-type
> people view any intrusion into wilderness as evil. If that is the
> case with this lady, what will she think when she sees the first
> vehicle struggling up some hill and spinning tires? What will she
> think when she sees a large rock with black tire skid marks on it or
> even paint from a vehicle that scraped on the way by? I'm not sure
> that showing her a good time offroad will really change her mind, but
> it's worth a shot.
>
> John Muir's (the founder of Sierra Club over 100 years ago)
> philosophy was that he'd rather no one ever get to see certain places
> (like Yosemite) rather than see people visit in great numbers which
> would surely destroy it, he felt. While he compromised some in order
> to get Teddy Roosevelt to declare Yosemite a National Park, for
> example, some in the club still agree with Muir's original
> philosophy.
>
> Now on the other hand, if she's a Sierra Club member but not hardcore
> and just wants to get involved to protect the environment then we
> have a chance with her. After all most Jeepers I've met have the same
> philosophy as Teddy Roosevelt, which was that this land belongs to
> all of us and those to come after us and that we should be allowed to
> see it and use it, albeit it in a way that doesn't destroy it. We use
> it, enjoy it, clean it and preserve it for future generations. The
> last thing I want to do is destroy it.
>
> </end of ramble>
>
> Bill
> www.jeepsonly.com
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again
> >
> > After the BLM meeting last week, a young lady asked me if she could
> be invited to the Coves Cleanup. Her name is Julie Sherman, and she
> is the National Monuments Conservation Organizer for the Southwest
> Office of the Sierra Club. I was a bit surprised by her request and
> I told her so. I also told her that we (the AZVJC) have invited the
> Sierra Club to attend our clean up efforts in the past and gotten
> only the cold shoulder.
> .
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68506 From: <Fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
spicer 18 or dana 20 ? if you need offset rear, go with wagoneer 44's (quadratrac was offset rear) .Worked great in my 52
Daren
52 M-38
01 xj
68507 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: This good
James... Please, just don't wear that while I'm around! ;) LOL -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
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68508 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: [FS] wanted jeep with good title for parts
Price: ???
Contact: STOMPINJML@hotmail.com
i have an almost complete jeep, that had an engine fire, that i recently purchased, but has no title, any non repairable jeeps out there, that still have title?? i only bought it for parts, but kinda a shame to dismantle a practically complete cj7.
BUD LEWIS
68509 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] Set of Chrome Rims; American Eagle Series 146
Price: $350 o.b.o.
Contact: 480-510-1465
5 chrome rims in good condition. They are American Eagle Alloys series 146. Measurements are 15x10 and lug pattern 5x4.5. Must sell. Looking for $350 o.b.o.
Dave Mendenhall
68510 From: Scott Scriver <scott@n...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:33pm
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
I need to unsubscribe for a few weeks....how do I do it?
Thanks,
Scott
68511 From: <azdesertrhino@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894
In a message dated 10/23/2002 20:30:18 US Mountain Standard Time, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the cleanups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
With everything I've read over the past few days regarding the "Plight of.......," getting exposure, etc., I think it would be ridiculous not to take these folks along on the cleanup. A friend or a little positive input in the enemies camp can be "priceless" and if they turn negative, the group would be no further in the hole than when this whole conversation started.
Demanding rights is very seldom productive. I push you, you push back a little harder and it escalates from there. Better to at least try to show not all off-roaders are "beer guzzling, knuckle dragging wrench turning bone heads."
2 cents worth from the new guy in Tucson.
Jim
68512 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:56pm
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Joe
Actually, you got a qustion. Chances are, your bushings are getting dry or are too tight. Grease them up good for a couple of reasons. One, helps keeps from drying out, Two, get rid of the squeaky noise, which can drive ya nucking futs. and, if they are that tight and dry, it will also help to smooth your ride out which can be a real nice perk. Andmake sure you dont crank the shackle bolts back on too tight.. too much and you can actually stiffen the ride quality...
Best Regards
John k
68488 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: RE: top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
LOL, that's a good one Robert.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert McNeeley [mailto:fatbob309@e...]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM
To: 'graymatterwj'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Scott Kruize
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
In his case it would be a sap sucker.... ;)
Robert
"Paranoia is the belief in a hidden order behind the visible."
- Anonymous.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...>
To: "'graymatterwj'" <graymatterwj@y...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:48 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
> You forgot the line where it says, "Incorporation would necessitate
> the time and advice of a spineless blood sucker otherwise known as a
> lawyer"
>
>
> LOL - Just kidding Brian.
>
>
> Scott K
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: graymatterwj [mailto:graymatterwj@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:29 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] top ten reasons why AZVJC should not change
>
>
> Ok folks, its time for the top ten list.
>
> Number 10 - The webpage is already in my favorites folder.
>
> Number 9 - If it ain't broken, what the hell - break it.
>
> Number 8 - The grass is always greener. (no not prop 203!)
>
> Number 7 - I have almost figured out this email list service.
>
> Number 6 - The email flame wars NEVER get out of hand.
>
> Number 5 - I have finally convinced most of you I am not a tree hugger
> incognito.
>
> Number 4 - When you have a group of leaders running a group (i.e.,
> President, VP etc.) the rest of the group gets complacent and assumes
> it will get taken care of and not step up to the plate.
>
> Number 3 - How else are we going to see Stu trip over his own tongue
> on TV (Sorry Stu...I had to do it!).
>
> Number 2 - Where else can I go and read an email about a trip report
> by people I have never met on a trail I have never been on and find it
> quite interesting.
>
> Number 1 - Why can't we just all get along!
>
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
>
>
>
>
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68489 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:38pm
Subject: RE: James Towle
Jake,
Somewhere in the east valley there is a big hole in the ground with a little satellite antenna poking out of the brush. Rumor has it that is where James is.
;D
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] James Towle
James:
You put a post on here the other day wondering where I am and where your motor mounts are? I replied to your personal e-mail over the weekend and have not gotten a response. I figured I'd try you on here since you've posted quite a bit lately.
Jake
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68490 From: wheelenx2 <wheelenx2@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
> I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
> with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
> somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
68491 From: <rioshilo@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Rio
In a message dated 10/23/2002 5:45:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wheelenx2@yahoo.com writes:
>I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
>with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
>somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
68492 From: ajeepgirlinaz <ajeepgirlinaz@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:13pm
Subject: Hello!
Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
line and say hello. Talk to you later.
68493 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Hmmm, all I'm seeing here is allot of words that may have to be eaten later.
Just as you cautioned Neal, I'll caution you.
None of us but perhaps Len know her.
Personally, I have a neutral stance on this, with hopes for the best outcome possible.
Invite her, and her friends, always put the best foot forward, you can't go wrong.
Just remember, there are 2 sides to every story, and it is possible she may report back to the Sierra Club she's converted the entire AZVJC and got all of you hugging trees like never before.
You and I know it not to be true, but then, we're on this side of the story.....
There's nothing wrong with Neal's view, just because it doesn't agree with yours. If he doesn't want to participate, how's that hurt you? If you ask me, it doesn't and at least in the immediate future it helps you.
I'd have to say I disagree with you on the point that he's just like the extremists from SC.
They wouldn't give you the benefit of knowing where they stand, they'd just show up and crash your little party.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: rioshilo@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Couldn't have said it better myself...
Rio
In a message dated 10/23/2002 5:45:10 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wheelenx2@yahoo.com writes:
>I am not going to Parker Splash this year and had planned to go out
>with the VJC to do the Cove clean up. But not now. I'll do it
>somewhere else with others that feel the same way.
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the clean-ups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
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68494 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:33pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Welcome!
Hope to see you around.
Be Good.
Later.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hello!
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
68495 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: RE: Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or Organization!
That is: http://www.mesa4x4.com/led_r_us.html
Good site, lots of good information.
Thanks,
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:10 PM
> To: James Towle
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> Organization!
>
>
> Mesa 4x4 or something. go to www.mesa4x4.com-led_r_us.html
> Write up and all there.
> Bill W
> K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> 97 TJ with a few mods.
> http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:32 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> Organization!
>
>
> > LOL
> >
> > It was auto safety house, or something like that. Joey K. knows...
> >
> > I have another place at the end of my LED write up
> > (http://www.dpgoffroad.com/tech/led.htm), you can compare to.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> > > First off... ROFLMAO (makes it hard to type also) What was the name
> > > of the place David Withers flamed for not having good customer
> > > service that sells lights and stuff? I want to pick up some round
> > > LED lights for the back-o-da-rig. Didn't they also have a website
> > > you can order from so I don't have to drive my lazy *** down there?
> > > Sorry I just had to get at least one semi-Jeep related topic on the
> > > board today! LOL :) Besides I can sum up the posts in a couple
> > > seconds...
> > > post: hey lets organize so we can do nifty stuff
> > > most replies: hell no!
> > > other replies: you guys suck
> > > general consensus: yup we suck... nothings changed!
> > >
> > > my opinion.... I love you guys!!! Who needs cable TV when you got
> > > the AZVJC!!! :) -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
68496 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Where has Duffy been? Did he take off with David? LOL
Welcome.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me
a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
68497 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
Welcome to the club. What model Jeep do you have?
----- Original Message -----
From: ajeepgirlinaz
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Hello!
Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me a
line and say hello. Talk to you later.
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68498 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 6:34pm
Subject: Re: James Towle
Scott,
That's about the size of it too.
Every since getting home from the Jamboree I have been dodging flack
from the little, itty bitty scratches I put in my fender flares. LOL
When I get the mud washed off I tried to hide the scratches with I
might post some pictures. ROFLMAO
Anyone know of a good paint guy, East side. The flares, need to be
stripped and repainted, no pounding or bondo. I can remove them. GOD,
I can't wait to get the CJ finished, none of this BS.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <skruize@c...> wrote:
> Jake,
>
> Somewhere in the east valley there is a big hole in the ground with
a
> little satellite antenna poking out of the brush. Rumor has it that
is
> where James is.
>
> ;D
>
>
> Scott K
>
> <file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Scott/My%
20Documents/signature/im
> age001.jpg>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jake Wagner [mailto:jakewagner@y...]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:27 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] James Towle
>
>
>
> James:
>
> You put a post on here the other day wondering where I am and where
your
> motor mounts are? I replied to your personal e-mail over the
weekend
> and have not gotten a response. I figured I'd try you on here since
> you've posted quite a bit lately.
>
> Jake
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
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68499 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: This good
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972148818
68500 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or Organization!
Thanks for the correction James....
Bill W
K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
97 TJ with a few mods.
http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
----- Original Message -----
From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
To: "AZ_VJC" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:25 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
Organization!
>
> That is: http://www.mesa4x4.com/led_r_us.html
>
> Good site, lots of good information.
>
> Thanks,
> --James
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:10 PM
> > To: James Towle
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> > Organization!
> >
> >
> > Mesa 4x4 or something. go to www.mesa4x4.com-led_r_us.html
> > Write up and all there.
> > Bill W
> > K7ANT a.k.a. "Antman"
> > 97 TJ with a few mods.
> > http://k7ant.rockcrawler.com/
> > Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and 4 wheeler's country.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:32 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: LOOK a post that is NOT about ASA4WDC or
> > Organization!
> >
> >
> > > LOL
> > >
> > > It was auto safety house, or something like that. Joey K. knows...
> > >
> > > I have another place at the end of my LED write up
> > > (http://www.dpgoffroad.com/tech/led.htm), you can compare to.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rob Williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> > > > First off... ROFLMAO (makes it hard to type also) What was the name
> > > > of the place David Withers flamed for not having good customer
> > > > service that sells lights and stuff? I want to pick up some round
> > > > LED lights for the back-o-da-rig. Didn't they also have a website
> > > > you can order from so I don't have to drive my lazy *** down there?
> > > > Sorry I just had to get at least one semi-Jeep related topic on the
> > > > board today! LOL :) Besides I can sum up the posts in a couple
> > > > seconds...
> > > > post: hey lets organize so we can do nifty stuff
> > > > most replies: hell no!
> > > > other replies: you guys suck
> > > > general consensus: yup we suck... nothings changed!
> > > >
> > > > my opinion.... I love you guys!!! Who needs cable TV when you got
> > > > the AZVJC!!! :) -Rob
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
68501 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:10pm
Subject: FC-170 Tire upgrade+Thanks to Beer !
I swapped out the old, bald, bias-plys on my Forward Control truck
for Mrs. Flexy's used 31" Enforcer MT's today, and mucho thanks to
Rick "Beer" Biertempfel at Discount Tire (3rd Ave & Bell) for
supplying the brand new 15x7 Chrome Spoke rims, same-day service
too.
The truck suddenly looks better. I'll post a picture tomorrow.
Russell
68502 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: Re: Hello!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "ajeepgirlinaz" <ajeepgirlinaz@y...> wrote:
> Hi everyone! I'm Teresa. I just joined AZVJC a few days ago. A good
> friend of mine, Duffy Ladd, told me this was a good place to meet
> other 'Jeep people' and have a lot of fun! So far so good! Drop me
a
> line and say hello. Talk to you later.
Hello and welcome...
Where has Duffy been??
Roy
68503 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:28pm
Subject: [FS] 1" Daystar MM lift for TJ
Price: $70
Contact: Jason LaLiberty 602-999-4516
Brand new in box
Thanks,
Jason
Jason LaLiberty
68504 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:28pm
Subject: [TR] Raw Deal (Lower) - Saturday, October 26, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jason LaLiberty is leading a Raw Deal (Lower) trail run on Saturday, October 26, 2002.
When: 8:00am
Where: I-17 and Carefree Highway
Rating: 3.5+
Length: 4-6 Hours
CB Channel: 4
Hi there,
I would like to run both lower and upper. Also maybe going on to Table Mesa Rd. depending on timing.
I have been on this trail only once. Would like someone else to lead if they are interested. I do have directions on how to get there. Trail is easy to follow once you get to the trailhead.
Thanks,
Jason
Raw Deal is a short trail (1.2 miles) that begins and ends in a wash. It offers a little bit of something for everybody. Many of the obstacles can be taken with varying degrees of difficulty, and a couple can be bypassed. As is the case with many AZ trails, it is best if accompanied by someone who has ran the trail before. There are a few spots were a good spotter will be appreciated. The are several bedrock "cracks" to negotiate, as well as a few rock ledges, varying sized boulders, etc.
Remember to bring your camera and Water.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
68505 From: Mike Golden <mgolden@c...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 8:37pm
Subject: Re: Re: Sierra Club at Coves cleanup
Okay, and now for the real question...
Is she cute?
Oh, come on. Somebody had to say it. :-)
Mike
On Wed, 23 Oct 2002, Bill wrote:
> Overall I agree it will be nice to have an opportunity to show her
> what we're really like as opposed to what she thinks we're like. But
> I suggest we not overestimate the impact that will have on her. For
> instance, it's been my experience that some of these Sierra Club-type
> people view any intrusion into wilderness as evil. If that is the
> case with this lady, what will she think when she sees the first
> vehicle struggling up some hill and spinning tires? What will she
> think when she sees a large rock with black tire skid marks on it or
> even paint from a vehicle that scraped on the way by? I'm not sure
> that showing her a good time offroad will really change her mind, but
> it's worth a shot.
>
> John Muir's (the founder of Sierra Club over 100 years ago)
> philosophy was that he'd rather no one ever get to see certain places
> (like Yosemite) rather than see people visit in great numbers which
> would surely destroy it, he felt. While he compromised some in order
> to get Teddy Roosevelt to declare Yosemite a National Park, for
> example, some in the club still agree with Muir's original
> philosophy.
>
> Now on the other hand, if she's a Sierra Club member but not hardcore
> and just wants to get involved to protect the environment then we
> have a chance with her. After all most Jeepers I've met have the same
> philosophy as Teddy Roosevelt, which was that this land belongs to
> all of us and those to come after us and that we should be allowed to
> see it and use it, albeit it in a way that doesn't destroy it. We use
> it, enjoy it, clean it and preserve it for future generations. The
> last thing I want to do is destroy it.
>
> </end of ramble>
>
> Bill
> www.jeepsonly.com
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello again
> >
> > After the BLM meeting last week, a young lady asked me if she could
> be invited to the Coves Cleanup. Her name is Julie Sherman, and she
> is the National Monuments Conservation Organizer for the Southwest
> Office of the Sierra Club. I was a bit surprised by her request and
> I told her so. I also told her that we (the AZVJC) have invited the
> Sierra Club to attend our clean up efforts in the past and gotten
> only the cold shoulder.
> .
> .
> .
> .
>
>
>
>
>
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>
68506 From: <Fourwhlcrzy@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: full size axel install help wanted.
spicer 18 or dana 20 ? if you need offset rear, go with wagoneer 44's (quadratrac was offset rear) .Worked great in my 52
Daren
52 M-38
01 xj
68507 From: Rob Williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: This good
James... Please, just don't wear that while I'm around! ;) LOL -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=972148818
68508 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:21pm
Subject: [FS] wanted jeep with good title for parts
Price: ???
Contact: STOMPINJML@hotmail.com
i have an almost complete jeep, that had an engine fire, that i recently purchased, but has no title, any non repairable jeeps out there, that still have title?? i only bought it for parts, but kinda a shame to dismantle a practically complete cj7.
BUD LEWIS
68509 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:24pm
Subject: [FS] Set of Chrome Rims; American Eagle Series 146
Price: $350 o.b.o.
Contact: 480-510-1465
5 chrome rims in good condition. They are American Eagle Alloys series 146. Measurements are 15x10 and lug pattern 5x4.5. Must sell. Looking for $350 o.b.o.
Dave Mendenhall
68510 From: Scott Scriver <scott@n...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 9:33pm
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE
I need to unsubscribe for a few weeks....how do I do it?
Thanks,
Scott
68511 From: <azdesertrhino@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:33pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2894
In a message dated 10/23/2002 20:30:18 US Mountain Standard Time, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com writes:
"I'm taking my toys and going home." Would have been a more direct
way of getting your point across.
And I say to you:
Good, take your toys and your close minded "I won't even talk to the
enemy" and leave the cleanups to the adults. Your attitude will
only serve to hurt the sport in the end.
Grow Up a Little,
Jim
With everything I've read over the past few days regarding the "Plight of.......," getting exposure, etc., I think it would be ridiculous not to take these folks along on the cleanup. A friend or a little positive input in the enemies camp can be "priceless" and if they turn negative, the group would be no further in the hole than when this whole conversation started.
Demanding rights is very seldom productive. I push you, you push back a little harder and it escalates from there. Better to at least try to show not all off-roaders are "beer guzzling, knuckle dragging wrench turning bone heads."
2 cents worth from the new guy in Tucson.
Jim
68512 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:56pm
Subject: Re: Stupid Questions
Joe
Actually, you got a qustion. Chances are, your bushings are getting dry or are too tight. Grease them up good for a couple of reasons. One, helps keeps from drying out, Two, get rid of the squeaky noise, which can drive ya nucking futs. and, if they are that tight and dry, it will also help to smooth your ride out which can be a real nice perk. Andmake sure you dont crank the shackle bolts back on too tight.. too much and you can actually stiffen the ride quality...
Best Regards
John k