Mobius broke on Crown King 12/30/07

[Hardline]

At 10:00 today I received a call from Wayco that Mobius (Eric) passenger side D35 broke on the Crown King Run.

Ted (Ted) is coming back into town for parts. Help is not requested at this time

There is limited cell coverage but Wayco can be reached at his cell:

six zero two - nine zero eight - zero nine zero zero

Will post up more information as I receive it.

[lancetkenyon]

Another D Turdy five casualty. Jeep really screwed the pooch when they decided to install these.

[AZLugz]

I have a truck and trailer and am available today if they need it

[Papa Mo]

Hope all goes well and they get the parts and get er going again..

[Hardline]

I have a truck and trailer and am available today if they need it

I will pass that info on when I call Wayco at 11:00

Everybody appreciates the offer!

[probable cause]

this month has been unforgiving on the axles

[mingoglia]

Was Wayco wheeling with them (him)?

[Hardline]

Was Wayco wheeling with them (him)?

Yes, Wayco went on this run.

I just spoke to him again (11:30 am) and the situation is as follows:

The broken axle stub is out and the jeep is ready for a replacement to be installed

Mobius (Eric) girlfriend stayed with the jeep on the trail

Ted and Eric have gone to Ted's house at I-17 and Deer Valley Road where Ted has a replacement axle (one would think that with a D35 he'd have it in the jeep.....)

The rest of the group of some 5-6 jeeps is continuing with Wayco up to Crown King.

Neither Wayco nor I have a cell number for Ted, Mobius, or Mobius's girlfriend so they are effectively out of touch at this point (don't shoot me, I'm just the messenger!)

Wayco is to contact me in another hour for an update.

[fatbob309]

If you are wheeling with a D35 you need to keep extra shafts with you at all times... even at the mall:mickey:

[Number 7]

I question the wisdom of leaving the girlfriend with the Jeep. I hope she's okay out there & no un-savory types happen along.

John (Junky) found a girl in a stuck FJ Cruiser while we were at the Sycamore Clean Up. Like he said, if he'd been the girl's father, she wouldn't be dating 'Mr. Leave the Girl with The Stuck Truck' anymore after that.

[Hardline]

I question the wisdom of leaving the girlfriend with the Jeep. I hope she's okay out there & no un-savory types happen along.

John (Junky) found a girl in a stuck FJ Cruiser while we were at the Sycamore Clean Up. Like he said, if he'd been the girl's father, she wouldn't be dating 'Mr. Leave the Girl with The Stuck Truck' anymore after that.

On the one hand, I agree with you and on the other hand there are plenty of ladies out there that are perfectly capable of shooting the nuts off of any un-savory types that need to be...uh..."de-nutted".

[Crawldad]

I just talked to Eric, and he just picked up an axle and some gear oil.
He's headed back up there now.

[Symon623]

Timing is everything, there was complete 35 rear (Drum to Drum) from a TJ up there just ripe for the picking about ¾ the way up the L shaped play area. A guy was there right before us in a cherokee to pick it up.

Good luck with teh repairs.

[Number 7]

On the one hand, I agree with you and on the other hand there are plenty of ladies out there that are perfectly capable of shooting the nuts off of any un-savory types that need to be...uh..."de-nutted".

Yes, you're right, there are girls like us around. Hopefully they had the wherewithall to leave her armed. If you can believe it, the girl Junky found didn't even have water.

[RokNRich]

I just talked to Eric, and he just picked up an axle and some gear oil.
He's headed back up there now.

I knew the name sounded familiar, looks like we missed the fun by a week.
:aagh:

Hope you are able to get it back together Eric. :skull:

Then buy these:
http://phoenix.craigslist.org/pts/481027857.html

[My Green Jeep]

Update???

[katvans]

On the one hand, I agree with you and on the other hand there are plenty of ladies out there that are perfectly capable of shooting the nuts off of any un-savory types that need to be...uh..."de-nutted".

HUH Me & TC are sittin here wonderin what the H you are talkin about...............DE-nutted What???????????? :fashizzle::aagh::aagh::aagh:

Donna, where's your 44 mag with the snake shot?????????:aagh:

[Hardline]

Update???

Spoke with Wayco around 4:15 and he was going by Cleator and had been out of touch with the other group. I just touched base with him again just now (5:20 ) and he is at I-17 and Carefree and turning back West to go and find Eric and Ted since Wayco thought they might not be all that.....familiar.....with putting in the axle. He had to stop and fix a flat tire.

[My Green Jeep]

Spoke with Wayco around 4:15 and he was going by Cleator and had been out of touch with the other group. I just touched base with him again just now (5:20 ) and he is at I-17 and Carefree and turning back West to go and find Eric and Ted since Wayco thought they might not be all that.....familiar.....with putting in the axle. He had to stop and fix a flat tire.

Wow... sounds like he wont be home for a few more hours... if he needs
help holler at us...

[Duality]

so does this mean if I start the run now I might see someone?

[Hardline]

Just got a call from Wayco and he's made the decision to return. We've both left messages on Eric's cell phone voice mail, but have not been able to contact him directly. If someone has Ted's cell or voice phone number I'd appreciate it PM'd to me or to Wayco.

[1eagle]

Any more news on if they need a trailer? Hopefully thy was able to get it fixed.

[Clay]

I question the wisdom of leaving the girlfriend with the Jeep. I hope she's okay out there & no un-savory types happen along.

John (Junky) found a girl in a stuck FJ Cruiser while we were at the Sycamore Clean Up. Like he said, if he'd been the girl's father, she wouldn't be dating 'Mr. Leave the Girl with The Stuck Truck' anymore after that.

I was in the group with WAYCO. Mobius had two passengers with him today. Mobius left his girlfriend and other passenger with the jeep while he and Ted went to get another axle.

It was the right axle that broke. Billy 4 hp and Mobius took the differential apart to make sure that all it needed was the axle. It also needed a brake shoe. Brake shoe just broke. Ted had spare axles at his house.

The two who stayed to watch the jeep plenty of food and water and I left them with a few beers to drink when they were waiting for Ted and Mobius to return.

They were talking about maybe going up to Crown King after the repair.

[mingoglia]

I can't count how many times we've had threads specifically about crown king runs where someone broke a d35 axle shaft while on the trail. I for one refuse to wheel with anyone with a d35 that does not carry axle shafts and as a club I think all of us should refuse to wheel with anyone that doesn't carry spare axle shafts for their d35. If we refuse to wheel with them, perhaps they'll finally get the hint? Come on guys, this is like a woman going back to an abusive boyfriend. How many more threads are we going to have like this before people learn? Crown King is one of the worst trails I know of to break down on. It's an easy trail, but it's long as heck and you're very far away from help/parts.

Joe/moderators... why don't you put up a sticky on the top of the runs section stating if you have a d35 and don't carry spares don't bother signing up or showing up for a run. There's many people on here that would lend you their spares if you just ask... borrowing spares before you break down will make everyone's run a lot more enjoyable.... especially on this trail. I rather have someone show up to Asylum with a d35 without spares than Crown King due to the logistics of getting help while you're up there.

[Wayco]

Just got back, still no call from Eric. It's been a long day for me, don't think I would be much help now. I guess we will just have to wait to find out how this turned out. Thought I was prepared for almost everything, Hyjak was full of spare parts, but I don't carry extra axles anymore. Wouldn't have one for a Turdy-five anyway.
Without rubbing salt into the wound, I would encourage anyone that wheels a D-35 to carry spare axles. This would have been an easy trail repair if the proper parts would have been there.

[Clay]

I too, need to either get a 44 or a couple 0 spares for my 35

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I hope they got through ok??? Its mighty cold to be stuck out there....Esp with no blankets

Jason

[04jeeptj]

Where can I get spares? And how much? I guess I should start stocking up.

[Billy 4 hp]

Well, since Mobius was with Ted (with a running vehicle) I am pretty sure they could get everyone out if the repairs couldn't be made today...

We left them in pretty good shape (I hope) Mobius popped off the rear cover and I removed the odd ball inspection plug that his limited slip had (TruTrac I think). We were then able to get to the c-clip and remove the broken stub.

I then gave Mobius a crash course of reinstallation and he seemed fairly mechanically inclined... Honestly it was going to be more of a pain in the butt to replace his broken brake shoe then to put the replacement axle in....

So as others have stated, I am in the same boat, I can't believe how bad these newer D35 axles are... I remember wheeling the crud out of a YJ with the no c-clip version and it tooks years and I mean years of abuse with an ARB....

Mobius and Ted, please post up your end results...

[Wayco]

Just got a call from Eric, they are out and OK. Made it out around 5:30 pm. First thing he said was "I think I'm gonna look for an 8.8". I told him to post up, but they won't be back home in Mesa 'til after dinner. I bet he is plenty tired too.

[Manvil]

Great! glad they are all safe

[Billy 4 hp]

Just got a call from Eric, they are out and OK. Made it out around 5:30 pm. First thing he said was "I think I'm gonna look for an 8.8". I told him to post up, but they won't be back home in Mesa 'til after dinner. I bet he is plenty tired too.


Yeah....


I honestly can't believe how fragile that axle assembly is....


Good job Chrysler / Jeep..... :kenny:

[Billy 4 hp]

I hope they got through ok??? Its mighty cold to be stuck out there....Esp with no blankets

Jason

Well the ice was a few inches thick in spots, but I was still sporting my year round denim shorts...

[lancetkenyon]

EVERYONE, and I mean EVERYONE who wheels should carry spare axleshafts. Not just the Turdy five guys. I carry a spare full set of D44 fronts, and D44 Alloy USA spares for the rear. Even a D60 can snap a shaft. Usually it is fatigue that breaks a shaft in an axle other than a D35. They just suck. Wayne, throw your stocks back in your rig for spares, someday you might thank me. If not, someday someone else might need it, and you can be the hero on the trail with the spare part. I have loaned out WAY more parts than I have needed myself, but it makes for a much nicer day. Beats running back into town for parts. There is no way to carry everything that might break, but a good selection of spares is invaluable. Others will pipe in on what they have needed, but here is a good list to start with:

axle shafts
u-joints(axles and DSs)
u-joint straps/u bolts
yokes
pitman arm
unit bearing
tie rod/TREs
misc nuts/bolts
tire plug kit
air source
all fluids
peatsorb
simple green
jacks(hi-lift and bottle)
fire extinguisher
bailing wire/tie wire
DUCT TAPE
RTV
tons of tools
ratchet straps
water!!!
food

[Bilt4Comfort]

Glad to hear they aren't spending the night out there...mighty cold.
Good to hear also that people are willing to help out a fellow Jeeper, and I'm sure the beneficiary will remember the help and "pass it forward" if the situation presents itself. Lesson learned about the D35 I'm sure.

Good going guys and gals.

[Bilt4Comfort]

axle shafts
u-joints(axles and DSs)
u-joint straps/u bolts
yokes
pitman arm
unit bearing
tie rod/TREs
misc nuts/bolts
tire plug kit
air source
all fluids
peatsorb
simple green
jacks(hi-lift and bottle)
fire extinguisher
bailing wire/tie wire
DUCT TAPE
RTV
tons of tools
ratchet straps
water!!!
food

You need an F-250 to carry all that...but if that's what it takes.

[Manvil]

ya Billy year round shorts and a heater,..:) I was cold

[Billy 4 hp]

axle shafts
u-joints(axles and DSs)
u-joint straps/u bolts
yokes
pitman arm
unit bearing (CJ's don't have them)
tie rod/TREs
misc nuts/bolts
tire plug kit
air source
all fluids
peatsorb
simple green
jacks(hi-lift and bottle)
fire extinguisher
bailing wire/tie wire
DUCT TAPE
RTV
tons of tools
ratchet straps
water!!!
food

You need an F-250 to carry all that...but if that's what it takes.

Nope, I got all of that and more in my CJ7....

And it also helps to have ALL the tools to change said axle's with or any other trail repair (within reason)... That's the best thing about traveling with the same group time and again, you get to know what each other carry's for parts and tools... If your buddy has something you may need, bingo, and vise versa....

That being said, I would like to add this... Sure it nice to have others work on your rigs (shops, a buddy, etc), but you NEED to know what it takes to make the repairs YOURSELF...

Now please, please don't think I am harping on anyone from today (everyone was extremely capable and the whole group pitched in to get the problem solved and quickly)...

I have been doing this for awhile, I have been broke myself and I have fixed the broken. But knowledge is golden when your out in the middle of nowhere...

[RokNRich]

II left them with a few beers to drink.

Above and beyond !


:patriot:

Glad to hear things are OK. I posted a link to some spares earlier, bet they're sold by tomorrow :)

[lancetkenyon]

You need an F-250 to carry all that...but if that's what it takes.

Not really. I carry all that and more. Most of it fits behind my back seat. Also throw in an ice chest, jumper cables, air hose, and a family of 4. I have a decent set of tools that are in a flat case that fits under the rear seat, and the shafts sit on top of the rear wheel wells and are strapped down. A bunch more tools, with pitman arm puller, screwdrivers, a bunch of pliers, snips, sockets, wrenches, etc are in an ammo can. Almost all of the small spare parts are in another ammo can. All the fluids and misc larger parts/tools are in a plastic bucket(which doubles as a fluid catcher). Tie rod usually resides across the rear cargo area. Hi lift is secured on the passenger side right above the axle shafts. OBA box is in the back too.

Here is a pic. ALL the parts listed are in the Jeep, just packed very well.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=17097&stc=1&d=1199071256

[Bilt4Comfort]

That's awesome Lance. I guess with the stretch limo we got...we ought to get started on the list. Plenty of room in ours. But geezus...my pockets are almost mt and we haven't got the lift or tires and wheels yet.

I'm gonna need a second job.

[TanTJJim]

I was in such a hurry to lift my junk and put bigger tires on it. Then I started breaking stuff. Since then I haven't spent a dime on any more mods, it's all been in recovery gear and spare parts. Just remember that you need the tools and know how to go with it....time for a 101 wrenching class????

[lancetkenyon]

I think some of that will be discussed in the wheeling 101 class.

[drroadie]

Lance, looks like you got all that list in, but I didn't see a spare tire on the list or on the Jeep... Who's jeep is that on?:whistling:

[Bilt4Comfort]

Lance, looks like you got all that list in, but I didn't see a spare tire on the list or on the Jeep... Who's jeep is that on?:whistling:

Good point. Even we have one of those and we've only been doing this 3 weeks. He's probably got all the compounds to build a tire if needed.

J/K dude...nice packing job, seriously.

[lancetkenyon]

Lance, looks like you got all that list in, but I didn't see a spare tire on the list or on the Jeep... Who's jeep is that on?:whistling:

I actually don't carry a spare tire. I run the Maxxis Creepy Crawlers, I have never, nor heard of anyone else, cutting one. I do carry a plug kit, with about 70 plugs left in it. I have put in 16 plugs in a 4" sidewall gash on my old BFG MTs. I went through 5 tires in a year with those. I have wheeled for 11 months on the new tires, with well over 100 trails on them. 85% have been over 4.0 trails. No cuts yet. The guys I wheel with mostly run these or MT Baja Comp Claws. There are 2 people in our group with the same size spares, and would not hesitate to loan them out if needed. So far, no need though. I probably just jinxed myself though.:skull:

[RokNRich]

So far, no need though. I probably just jinxed myself though.:skull:

Yup - You're done for ! Might as well buy a new one now !!!!
:aagh:

[lancetkenyon]

I know someone who has 4 37-12.50-15 Maxxis Creepies for sale. $1K with only 500 miles and 4-5 trails. Guess you could get those Rich, and sell your 35s.

[azcharlie]

Don't forget to pack a GOOD first aid kit.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

All the D35's breaking lately has been strange. Good that Jeep decided to move on and offer D44's in the rear standard even on the 2wd JK's:mickey:

There were a small amount of JK's produced in 2007 with D35's...Don't worry..



They were next Generation :smilielol5::smilielol5::smilielol5:

Jason

[AZXJ]

On the one hand, I agree with you and on the other hand there are plenty of ladies out there that are perfectly capable of shooting the nuts off of any un-savory types that need to be...uh..."de-nutted".



PRICELESS!!! :laugh2:

[Bilt4Comfort]

Don't forget to pack a GOOD first aid kit.

Yeah...I got to use one today. I was stacking a couple rocks for Camp Crocker, and somehow forget to let go of one before it landed on the previous one...right hand ring finger crushed and bloody:aagh:. We turned the Air-Evac around once I realized an anticeptic wipe and band-aid would suffice until we could reach the Mayo clinic.:baby:

[Mike McCarville]

Just a thought, how about we put together a spare parts depot. This way when a trip is organized, an assortment of spare parts could be picked up before the trip for the benenfit of the group in case breakage occurs on the trail. After the trip, the unused parts could be returned to the depot and stored for another day. If parts break on the trail, the person who uses the parts has to replace them to the depot.

I have a complete brake drum to brake drum D35, tie rod and drag link from a 94 YJ I could throw in. An inventory could be be keep on this forum for all to view and utilize.

[AZXJ]

hope the finger heals.. Also hope you unstacked..

[AZXJ]

Just a thought, how about we put together a spare parts depot. This way when a trip is organized, an assortment of spare parts could be picked up before the trip for the benenfit of the group in case breakage occurs on the trail. After the trip, the unused parts could be returned to the depot and stored for another day. If parts break on the trail, the person who uses the parts has to replace them to the depot.

I have a complete brake drum to brake drum D35, tie rod and drag link from a 94 YJ I could throw in. An inventory could be be keep on this forum for all to view and utilize.

Great idea.. good luck..

My idea is how about people go prepared.. ;)

[camp crocker]

Yeah...I got to use one today. I was stacking a couple rocks for Camp Crocker, and somehow forget to let go of one before it landed on the previous one...right hand ring finger crushed and bloody:aagh:. We turned the Air-Evac around once I realized an anticeptic wipe and band-aid would suffice until we could reach the Mayo clinic.:baby:

And i do appreciate it your pain, but was it not you that told me to climb that rock pile in the first place? Enjoyed hanging with you guys today.

[Markos]

You guys need to start searching for 8.8's. How about this explorer? Keep the 8.8, sell the rest. See link below:

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/car/511482416.html

[Bilt4Comfort]

And i do appreciate it your pain, but was it not you that told me to climb that rock pile in the first place? Enjoyed hanging with you guys today.

I may not have been hurt as badly as I lead everyone to believe...just attention starved.

Who the hell was that dumbass that enticed you over that pile-o-rocks anyhow?:lipsrsealed2:

[Allen]

This is a list of what I carry!

d30 shafts
d35 shafts
springs and pins for lockright
2 sets spider gears
u-joints
tre's
full set SAE tools
full set metric tools
small electrical kit
bottle jack
high lift
all fluids
peatsorb kit
compressor
recovery strap
2 fire extinguishers
first aid kit
3 day survival kit for 2
rain gear
gps
shovel
spare tire
ice chest with sodas and water


...and I keep it all inside the jeep all the time!

[Billy 4 hp]

Yeah...I got to use one today. I was stacking a couple rocks for Camp Crocker, and somehow forget to let go of one before it landed on the previous one...right hand ring finger crushed and bloody:aagh:. We turned the Air-Evac around once I realized an anticeptic wipe and band-aid would suffice until we could reach the Mayo clinic.:baby:

:worthless:

You mean that thing doesn't have a hover craft mode???

J/K :D

[Billy 4 hp]

hope the finger heals.. Also hope you unstacked..


Don't worry, I think I found the small pile in question and popped them out the way with my antique Jeep... :D

[GRNMachine]

I have a new 8.8 that I don't need any more now that I got my new Jeep. I have all the parts to fit it on a TJ. If you are interested PM me.
Frank

[Mobius]

Hey guys, thanks for all your help. I'm late to work, so I'll post up more later. The short version is that we finished up about 5:30, and made it home safely.

[Billy 4 hp]

Hey guys, thanks for all your help. I'm late to work, so I'll post up more later. The short version is that we finished up about 5:30, and made it home safely.

I was extremely glad to hear you made it out alright (Wayco posted up last night)....

Happy New Year

[katvans]

I know someone who has 4 37-12.50-15 Maxxis Creepies for sale. $1K with only 500 miles and 4-5 trails. Guess you could get those Rich, and sell your 35s.

Lance

Do these come with wheels and why is he selling them???????

[YJunk]

I actually don't carry a spare tire. I run the Maxxis Creepy Crawlers, I have never, nor heard of anyone else, cutting one. I do carry a plug kit, with about 70 plugs left in it. I have put in 16 plugs in a 4" sidewall gash on my old BFG MTs. I went through 5 tires in a year with those. I have wheeled for 11 months on the new tires, with well over 100 trails on them. 85% have been over 4.0 trails. No cuts yet. The guys I wheel with mostly run these or MT Baja Comp Claws. There are 2 people in our group with the same size spares, and would not hesitate to loan them out if needed. So far, no need though. I probably just jinxed myself though.:skull:


I've actually watched Lance spin the crap out of these tires on some of the jagged stuff out at TM... for like twenty minutes in the same spot. If I didn't drive my junk on the road so much I'd definately be running a set of these... as it is I do carry a spare cause my time is a comin' (again)...

[lancetkenyon]

Lance

Do these come with wheels and why is he selling them???????

No wheels included. He is getting rid of them because he drives his Jeep to and from the trail, and missed a lot of the northern summer runs because he didn't want to drive it up there. These tires are, in all honesty, brand new. But NOT for a DD. I don't think it is a problem running them on the street for 50 miles or so, but a run to Payson is more than he wanted to run them. He is going back to 35" BFG MTs.:aagh: Want contact info?

[lancetkenyon]

I've actually watched Lance spin the crap out of these tires on some of the jagged stuff out at TM... for like twenty minutes in the same spot. If I didn't drive my junk on the road so much I'd definately be running a set of these... as it is I do carry a spare cause my time is a comin' (again)...

That is just because we were waiting for others, and I had nothing better to do.

[DesertX04]

axle shafts
u-joints(axles and DSs)
u-joint straps/u bolts
yokes
pitman arm
unit bearing
tie rod/TREs
misc nuts/bolts
tire plug kit
air source
all fluids
peatsorb
simple green
jacks(hi-lift and bottle)
fire extinguisher
bailing wire/tie wire
DUCT TAPE
RTV
tons of tools
ratchet straps
water!!!
food

A dirty Jeep is the last thing you want on the trail!!

Seriously, I'm sure there's a use, but I haven't seen the need...???

[Billy 4 hp]

A dirty Jeep is the last thing you want on the trail!!

Seriously, I'm sure there's a use, but I haven't seen the need...???

Well Simple Green makes a wipe that I use to clean my greazy hands...

[lancetkenyon]

A dirty Jeep is the last thing you want on the trail!!

Seriously, I'm sure there's a use, but I haven't seen the need...???

Breaks up oil. I spray a ton on any spills, wipe it up, then put peatsorb on it. I saw a front axleshaft break, and cleaned up the gear oil off the rocks with it. Put it in your rig.

[YJunk]

That is just because we were waiting for others, and I had nothing better to do.

haha... doing some instigating of my own.

[lancetkenyon]

Get your leak fixed yet John? We gotta wheel!

[YJunk]

nope but I'm hopin to have things fixed up by the end of Jan... In addition to the tranny there are a bunch of little things I've got to get on before I head out for anything serious but I'm really itchen... Watching you run those lines out at H2H really gave me the feaver. Looks like the rig is really handeling well...