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63887 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:26am
Subject: Re: Extreme rock crawling on TV
sheeesh They are really milking this lead in its still coming up a segment out on the trail
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From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
TUNE IN to channel 12 they are at driven auto parts NOW!!!
"Coyotes roam where they please and thrive on their own terms"
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63888 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
"an automatic is bad going down hill for exactly the same reason; the torque
converter causes an effective decrease in crawl ratio with a subsequent
decrease in compression (engine) braking"
Now that really depends on your set up.
I had a CJ-5 with a 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, MANUAL tranny with a
4.6:1 first gear. I was following (at the time my dad's Jeep) my current
Jeep w/ 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, and AUTO tranny with a 3.06:1
first gear.
Guess which one went down hill slower?
The auto tranny equipped Jeep did. I can come down that long hill on FR-42,
or the Knife edge on Spare Tire Canyon in 1st gear without having to touch
the brakes at all with my 4L60E equipped Jeep. The reason being, the
computer that controls the tranny also controls the engine. The computer
sees that there is 0% throttle, RPM is above normal, Tranny is in 1st gear
so it either (I haven't figured out which) increases pressure to the torque
converter or locks it up AND then it also shuts down fuel and spark,
essentially turning the engine into a big air compressor.
I don't know about Jeep tranny's, but I'm hooked on the GM electronic ones.
- Mike
63889 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:46am
Subject: Re: Extreme rock crawling on TV
I tuned in and got "Cooking with Beer". I thought I heard a Coyote howling.... :o)
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
sheeesh They are really milking this lead in its still coming up a segment out on the trail
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
TUNE IN to channel 12 they are at driven auto parts NOW!!!
"Coyotes roam where they please and thrive on their own terms"
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63890 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:41am
Subject: RE: Cautionary Tale
The incident Linda is referring to took the life of one of my best friends
and two twelve year olds whose families we are very close to... A very ugly
situation! It was a Ford Explorer. It nosed down into the Sycamore Creek
after watching a 2 wheel drive Toyota pulling a trailer go right thru...
Because the air intake on the Explorer is so low, it stalled out in
mid-stream. Then while numerous agencies argued about who should do what,
2-3 hours. The water finally flipped the Ford and 6 people were thrown in,
three survived, a mom and two other twelve year olds. This was a case of a
bad decision gone worse ! Bottom line... Don't Cross Turbulent Water !
Bob J
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:36 PM
To: Garrison St.Clair
Cc: List-Auto, jeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cautionary Tale
A similar incident happened with a Boy Scout troop here in Arizona a few
years ago. I think the vehicle was a mini-van. This sort of tragedy is
preventable will a little common sense.
Linda
"Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
>
> Below the break-line is a story from a South African newspaper. The short
> version is that the driver attempted to drive his 4WD across a rapidly
> flowing river. Two of his children died as a result.
>
> Remember, if you can't walk across, you can't drive across. If you are
> hesitant to try walking across, don't even think about trying to drive
> across.
>
> 4WD vehicles are not invincible. And as pilots like to note: "There are
old
> pilots and there are bold pilots; there are few old, bold pilots."
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
> *******
>
> Ski holiday ends in death
>
> Annelie Muller and Deon van der Merwe
>
> Tiffendell (Die Burger/Sapa 20AUG02) - A Pretoria family's skiing holiday
> has ended tragically
> with their 4x4 vehicle being swept away in the icy Crocodile River in
> the Eastern Cape. Four of the vehicles occupants are safe, the body of a
> fifth has been found and a sixth is still missing.
>
> A couple, their three children and a friend were in the 4x4, which was
> swept off a low-level bridge by a flash flood near here. They were on
> their way home when the tragedy happened.
>
> Viljee Joubert, his wife, Tersia, their daughter Stephanie and the
> children's friend, a boy, were rescued, but the other two Joubert
> children, Mia (5) and Agné (7), were still missing on Sunday evening.
>
> The body of one of the girls was found on Sunday evening and on Monday
> morning police divers were searching for the body of the second girl.
>
> Inspector Stephen Maree said the rescue team comprised two police divers
> and two divers of the East London fire department.
>
> Tiffendell ski resort staff member Mark Shaw, who was on the scene when
> the Jouberts' vehicle was swept away, said the road had already been
> closed by then. He said Joubert was warned not to cross the river.
>
> River levels were rising
>
> Shaw and a colleague, Johan Smit, rushed to the family's aid. The boy
> was rescued about 300m downstream, where he was clinging to the branches
> of a tree.
>
> Shaw said on Sunday night: "I am still in shock and trying to process
> the events. I do not want to say too much about the incident at this
> stage."
>
> He is a seasonal worker at the resort and comes from Cape Town.
>
> Madelyn Wolmarans, of the full-time staff at Tiffendell, said the resort
> management had sent two vehicles down the mountain earlier that day to
> ascertain the levels of the rivers through which visitors had to travel
> on their way to Barkly East.
>
> Wolmarans said the level of the river had risen by 1.5m already at that
> stage.
>
> Provincial disaster management co-ordinator Captain John Fobian said
> four other bodies were recovered in the Duncan Village area in East
> London at the weekend. Six others were still missing.
>
> Four bodies were recovered on Friday and Saturday. A four-year-old girl,
> a 30-year-old man and a 55-year-old woman were among those who died.
>
> Searches for the six people missing in the East London area would
> continue on Monday, said Skwatsha
>
>
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63891 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Re: shop press
I too have one at my house and one at our shop.
My house is located just west of 67th avenue and just north of loop 101
roughly. Email me off list for directions for those that want to use it this
weekend. We can set up a time too.
Shop is at 23rd avenue and Deer Valley road. Pop in and use it whenever you
want during the day.
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63892 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
(just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
(again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
put the old lady in traction! ;-)
(Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
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63893 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:32am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Here is what I see as the pros and cons of the Manual. Of course the auto
will have just the opposite in pros and cons.
Con:
Less control when going slow over rocks (This goes away when you have an
effect crawl ratio and a hand throttle)
Manual shifting in traffic
Loss of torque when in mud, sand or snow when you shift
Pro:
No heat for your cooling system to deal with
down hill engine braking is better
fewer internal parts to go bad
I run a 4 speed manual with hand throttle and 133:1 crawl. My Jeep is not my
daily driver so I have not found a good reason to need an auto.
-----Original Message-----
From: JimSerio [mailto:jim@r...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Hi Folks,
I realize this topic has been beaten to death in this and other
forums. I'm not looking for what is the best tranny, but for those
of us in AZ, I was wondering what the most common tranny is? Do the
majority of you use the manual or auto? I ordered a Rubicon
primarily because (after exhaustive reading) it seems that the auto
is preferred for rock crawling. Since this will be my first
Wrangler, I would like to do some rock crawling but I'm not sure how
I will like it. I currently drive a 5 speed Mazda P/U and I love the
manual tranny and I wouldn't mind having it on the Jeep, but from
experience I am under the impression that it may be more difficult
to rock craw with one, especially if you need to stop and go, stop
and go. Other than that, it seems the manual is pretty much equal to
the auto in abilities.
Sorry for the winded post and I'm not trying to start a flame. I'm
just curious what the breakdown is among you VJCers.
Thanks for reading!
Jim
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63894 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:43am
Subject: Lockers, Motor, axels, tranny FOR SALE
I have a 92 YJ 4 cyl getting complete make over putting 9 in high pinon rear d44 high pinon front a 4.0 250 hp etc will have follow items for sale after labor day
4 cyl motor good shape, harness all electricial, radiator cowling etc
rebuilt ax 5 speed tranny
d30 with 297 arb lockers 4.56 gears front spare axel
d35 blown ring and pinion was 4.56 detroit lockers, spare axel
misc parts call during day Rick Logan @ 480-733-2436 ext 115
Rick 92 YJ in surgery
63895 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:41am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test it.
:-P
Chris
(see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> From: sharxjeep@c...
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63896 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:46am
Subject: Re: Crown King Aniv Run.
-Kyle,
That was great, but I think it lasted a lot longer.
Cricket and I had a great time. we we on Stu run 6:30 am.
Roy
-- In az_vjc@y..., "Kyle Hagan" <Kyle@s...> wrote:
> I have to say I had a great time on my 1st ride with the group.
But when I
> got home my
> head was hurting from all the bouncing around. But I think It was
worth it.
>
> Hope to reide with you all again soon.
>
> If you didnt make it on the trip click here to see what it was
like:
>
> http://www.usa4x4.org/index.asp?Page=shake.asp
>
> Kyle
> www.usa4x4.org
63897 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:49am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on gas, I
Swear it hahahaha
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test
it.
>
> :-P
>
> Chris
> (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
>
> > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> >
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> > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63898 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:52am
Subject: ch 12 extreme rock
The jeep they showed this am had square headlights on the ramp coooool
Rick 92 YJ
63899 From: Thom Campbell <trailertrash217@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:59am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
I have a 2000 t j up here in the rim country and have lockers in both ends with the manual shift, alot of guys i run with up here have the automatics and they alot of time seem to have an easier time of it on this loose gravel Arizona has to offer on the high enclines,ive seen these auto's hang right in there with the best of them,sure hope i didn't make a mistake in the manual......Thom Campbell
Mike Chatfield wrote:
"an automatic is bad going down hill for exactly the same reason; the torque
converter causes an effective decrease in crawl ratio with a subsequent
decrease in compression (engine) braking"
Now that really depends on your set up.
I had a CJ-5 with a 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, MANUAL tranny with a
4.6:1 first gear. I was following (at the time my dad's Jeep) my current
Jeep w/ 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, and AUTO tranny with a 3.06:1
first gear.
Guess which one went down hill slower?
The auto tranny equipped Jeep did. I can come down that long hill on FR-42,
or the Knife edge on Spare Tire Canyon in 1st gear without having to touch
the brakes at all with my 4L60E equipped Jeep. The reason being, the
computer that controls the tranny also controls the engine. The computer
sees that there is 0% throttle, RPM is above normal, Tranny is in 1st gear
so it either (I haven't figured out which) increases pressure to the torque
converter or locks it up AND then it also shuts down fuel and spark,
essentially turning the engine into a big air compressor.
I don't know about Jeep tranny's, but I'm hooked on the GM electronic ones.
- Mike
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63900 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:03am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
I think the main concern about the Alumaflex is that over time, with enough
flexing, they can experience sudden failure (breakage)...where as a steal
t/r will just bend.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on gas,
I
> Swear it hahahaha
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> > That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test
> it.
> >
> > :-P
> >
> > Chris
> > (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> >
> > > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> > >
> > >
> > > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63901 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:07am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
We had the stock rod on the XJ and changed it for the Challenger one (we
thought it would be better.
Next day in the morning after 2 stages on a rallye, a little jump of 1'
while going up, landed on the left front tire and it pretzelizeeeed the rod.
We installed the 2nd alum rod and while going down on the next obstacle,
passenger tire was forced against a ledge and it bent again.
I think the problem on these rods is, that once it starts bending, its easy
to keep going.
We installed the stock and made it trough the day with no further problems.
Jesus Chio
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----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>;
"Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> I think the main concern about the Alumaflex is that over time, with
enough
> flexing, they can experience sudden failure (breakage)...where as a steal
> t/r will just bend.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
> To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> > We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on
gas,
> I
> > Swear it hahahaha
> >
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> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> >
> >
> > > That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really
test
> > it.
> > >
> > > :-P
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> > >
> > > > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > > > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
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> > > > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63902 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:32am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
Hi Sharky,
I only respond to keep people from making a mistake...
If memory serves me correctly, you experienced a failure of your
Alumi-Fracture tierod.... yes?
And... if memory also serves me correctly, it failed just the way I said it
would... nice linear break, grainy surfaces at the fracture site indicative of
fatigue failure.
EXACTLY what you would expect of aluminum which is subjected to damage caused
by rocks and then cycled repeatedly.
I am playing fair... and I don't mind being vocal when people's lives depend
on faulty engineering. Just think where you may be had your tierod failed
while you were on the freeway moving at 70mph...
Rocks and aluminum don't mix when it comes to critical suspension components
such as tierods.
And for those of you who think that race cars use aluminum suspension parts...
remember that race car suspension systems are not subject to the damage which
is inevitable when rock crawling. The aluminum tierod itself isn't such a bad
idea were your Jeep never to see a rocky trail where it might be damaged. The
problem is the way aluminum fails when subjected to damage...
As long as people on this list don't recommend these crappy things... I'll be
quiet. I have to share a freeway with these vehicles and I don't want to be
around when one fails on the highway.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. If the manufacturer (whoever it is) wants to contact me... I'd be more
than happy to explain to them why Aluminum is a bad choice for a tierod on
offroad vehicles. Isn't the manufacturer on this list?
If so... why is it that they have not responded to my comments?
I can tell you why... the reason is that they have not done any appropriate
analysis and they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to debating me.
They stand more to loose by getting in a debate with me than they do by just
being quiet. This product will die Sharky, and you will someday replace it on
your rig... hopefully it won't be because you crash at high speed.
e even gone to the complete steering system. I love the thing, and Ive
> been using the Alumi-flex for a few years now and Im still here. Instead of
> telling everyone else your opinion about it and what trash it is, why not
> discuss your concerns with Troy from Toys by Troy and get all of the info
> about it first. Every time they mention the Alumi-Flex you go off on this
> same old bash. There are some immitations out there that have had problems
> but I know for a fact that when Troy had a concern about a possible problem
> he revamped the thing. At least give him the courtesy of defending the
> product. Geeze Joe be fair :)
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63903 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:38am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
<grin>
Yes indeed... your Chevy 350 with your slushbox transmission *might* be able to whup
my 4.0l with a manual transmission.
For those of you who didn't purchase the Chevrolet 350 V-8 option when you purchased
your TJ... stick with the manual transmission...
<grin>
Thanks Jay... as always, I enjoy your comments.
Joe
Jay Eller wrote:
> Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
> responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
>
> First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
> care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
> like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
> cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
> absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
> a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
> to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
> (just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
> so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
> (again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
> manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
> appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
> automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
> loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
> cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
>
> So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
> with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
> the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
> in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
>
> So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
> put the old lady in traction! ;-)
>
> (Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
> absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
> discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
> Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut)
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
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63904 From: Jim Serio <jim@r...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:44am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Joe,
Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks down,
I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very little
maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have to
replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years. I've
done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is this
a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood it.
Does the manual have the same problems?
For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock crawling,
how often do you need to replace the clutch?
Jim
63905 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
Hey Joe
I do appreciate your concern however I would not consider what happened to
my tie rod a failure. The tie rod broke on skull crusher due to a rock
forcing the tie rod against the spring perch bracket. It was a one in a
million shot and I could probably never repeat that scenario.I probably test
this thing harder than anyone I know who runs one.The alumi-Flex has been
around long enough and there are enough out there being run that if the
fatigue factor was that great we surely would have heard about the problems.
I know of other companies that build an all aluminum tie rod and they have
had problems however I stand behind Toys by Troy's Alumi- Flex tie rod that I
am running. Anyone whos wheeled with me knows the system on my Jeep has been
tested thoroughly. This is just one of those times when we agree to disagree.
Damn this is fun!
Sharky
63906 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:58am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
My CJ does not have a hydraulic clutch so I do not have the master cylinder
to contend with. No manual trainy that I know of has rotors???
As far as reliability a manual is way more reliable then an Auto. I have
about 150K on my CJ and I have replaced my clutch ones and it cost me about
$200. I just had the auto in my wife's F350 rebuilt at 120K miles and it
cost me $2000.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Serio [mailto:jim@r...]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:44 AM
To: arizonajeep@c...; 'JimSerio'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Joe,
Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks down,
I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very little
maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have to
replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years. I've
done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is this
a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood it.
Does the manual have the same problems?
For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock crawling,
how often do you need to replace the clutch?
Jim
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63907 From: azcj <azcj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:58am
Subject: Re: Flyin' Hi
If you are referring to the controversy about the ring gear bolts
backing out and breaking off 6 months after they installed the gears
and carrier, that was me. No, Fly-N-Hi never took any responsibility
for the problem. After going back and forth through the BBB, the BBB
finally suggested that I take legal action. Every response from F-N-
Hi said that they did everything correctly and I caused the problem
through various means, ranging from powder coating the housing, which
was never done, to using the vehicle in a manner that exceeds its
original engineering specs (off-road with a lift and big tires). One
of the letters from the president of the company, who was never at
the store or met me in person, even went as far as to say that I left
their store a happy, satisfied customer! It has been quite a learning
experience and one that I will do my best to avoid repeating. The
only person at F-N-Hi that tried to help was Torrey at FST. He is the
one that received everyone's emails. I talked with him a few times
and he said that he was sorry that there was nothing he could do to
get my money back from the store I went to but that he would get me
the best price on any parts in the future to try to help me out. I
haven't tested that and I'm not sure that I will because just going
into a store that is run by Mike Dye (Fly-N-Hi, FST, Phoenix Welding
Supply, Dye Carbonic, Consolidated Welding and Paint) goes against
what I learned from my experience with the way he runs a business and
treats his customers when they experience a problem. I know others in
the AZVJC have had great experiences with him, most likely at Phoenix
Welding Supply, but my experience has been that he doesn't stand
behind the work done by his employees and is very willing to lie in
writing to protect the "good name" of one of his companies. Just my
opinion from my experience.
-Scott Edwards
--- In az_vjc@y..., "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...> wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to the whole Flyin' Hi
> controversy? Did the person who was having
> the problem with him get it resolved?
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
63908 From: Jim Serio <jim@r...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:00am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Oops. Had a brain fart there. For some reason I was thinking about
breaks.
Jim
> My CJ does not have a hydraulic clutch so I do not have the master
cylinder
> to contend with. No manual trainy that I know of has rotors???
>
> As far as reliability a manual is way more reliable then an Auto. I
have
> about 150K on my CJ and I have replaced my clutch ones and it cost
me about
> $200. I just had the auto in my wife's F350 rebuilt at 120K miles
and it
> cost me $2000.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Serio [mailto:jim@r...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:44 AM
> To: arizonajeep@c...; 'JimSerio'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
>
> 1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks
down,
> I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very
little
> maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have
to
> replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years.
I've
> done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is
this
> a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
>
> 2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
> littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood
it.
> Does the manual have the same problems?
>
> For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock
crawling,
> how often do you need to replace the clutch?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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63909 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:12am
Subject: [FS] FS: Dana 60 front axle Passenger side drop
Price: $1100 Negotiable
Contact: Sean King Email: blt4rox@earthlink.net Home Phone:480-807-0341.
Dodge D60 front axle 67" wide from Wheel Mount Flange to WMF. 4.10 gears. Diff on passenger side.
63910 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:12am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
maybe they should make your roll cage out of alumi-flex sharky =P
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----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <arizonajeep@c...>; <mkacuna@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> You keep talking about hese things...Im still running the Alumi-Flex and
> have even gone to the complete steering system. I love the thing, and Ive
> been using the Alumi-flex for a few years now and Im still here. Instead
of
> telling everyone else your opinion about it and what trash it is, why not
> discuss your concerns with Troy from Toys by Troy and get all of the info
> about it first. Every time they mention the Alumi-Flex you go off on this
> same old bash. There are some immitations out there that have had problems
> but I know for a fact that when Troy had a concern about a possible
problem
> he revamped the thing. At least give him the courtesy of defending the
> product. Geeze Joe be fair :)
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
>
>
>
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>
>
63911 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:25am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
Jay and all:
I have a '78 Cherokee W/T with the 360 and TH400. Since I have
installed the fuel injection (which shuts off the flow of fuel at 0
throttle above certain rpm) and the 4.56 gears (w/35x12.50x15" tires) I
am amazed at the improvement in engine braking going down hills. I
seldom touch the brakes at all when in low/low and I tested it by
running FR42 the first time out. Most impressed and pleasantly
surprised. Considering the weight of the rig (which I am sure is
heavier then most of yours) it does a great job. And all this without
the lock-up converter which, I am sure, would only make it better.
Gary Holmes
Jay Eller wrote:
>Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
>responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
>
>First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
>care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
>like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
>cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
>absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
>a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
>to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
>(just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
>so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
>(again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
>manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
>appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
>automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
>loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
>cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
>
>So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
>with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
>the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
>in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
>
>So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
>put the old lady in traction! ;-)
>
>(Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
>absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
>discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
>Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
>--
>----------------------------
>Jay Eller (http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut)
>http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
63887 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:26am
Subject: Re: Extreme rock crawling on TV
sheeesh They are really milking this lead in its still coming up a segment out on the trail
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
TUNE IN to channel 12 they are at driven auto parts NOW!!!
"Coyotes roam where they please and thrive on their own terms"
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63888 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
"an automatic is bad going down hill for exactly the same reason; the torque
converter causes an effective decrease in crawl ratio with a subsequent
decrease in compression (engine) braking"
Now that really depends on your set up.
I had a CJ-5 with a 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, MANUAL tranny with a
4.6:1 first gear. I was following (at the time my dad's Jeep) my current
Jeep w/ 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, and AUTO tranny with a 3.06:1
first gear.
Guess which one went down hill slower?
The auto tranny equipped Jeep did. I can come down that long hill on FR-42,
or the Knife edge on Spare Tire Canyon in 1st gear without having to touch
the brakes at all with my 4L60E equipped Jeep. The reason being, the
computer that controls the tranny also controls the engine. The computer
sees that there is 0% throttle, RPM is above normal, Tranny is in 1st gear
so it either (I haven't figured out which) increases pressure to the torque
converter or locks it up AND then it also shuts down fuel and spark,
essentially turning the engine into a big air compressor.
I don't know about Jeep tranny's, but I'm hooked on the GM electronic ones.
- Mike
63889 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:46am
Subject: Re: Extreme rock crawling on TV
I tuned in and got "Cooking with Beer". I thought I heard a Coyote howling.... :o)
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
sheeesh They are really milking this lead in its still coming up a segment out on the trail
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:42 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Extreme rock crawling on TV
TUNE IN to channel 12 they are at driven auto parts NOW!!!
"Coyotes roam where they please and thrive on their own terms"
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63890 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 6:41am
Subject: RE: Cautionary Tale
The incident Linda is referring to took the life of one of my best friends
and two twelve year olds whose families we are very close to... A very ugly
situation! It was a Ford Explorer. It nosed down into the Sycamore Creek
after watching a 2 wheel drive Toyota pulling a trailer go right thru...
Because the air intake on the Explorer is so low, it stalled out in
mid-stream. Then while numerous agencies argued about who should do what,
2-3 hours. The water finally flipped the Ford and 6 people were thrown in,
three survived, a mom and two other twelve year olds. This was a case of a
bad decision gone worse ! Bottom line... Don't Cross Turbulent Water !
Bob J
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 6:36 PM
To: Garrison St.Clair
Cc: List-Auto, jeep; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Cautionary Tale
A similar incident happened with a Boy Scout troop here in Arizona a few
years ago. I think the vehicle was a mini-van. This sort of tragedy is
preventable will a little common sense.
Linda
"Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
>
> Below the break-line is a story from a South African newspaper. The short
> version is that the driver attempted to drive his 4WD across a rapidly
> flowing river. Two of his children died as a result.
>
> Remember, if you can't walk across, you can't drive across. If you are
> hesitant to try walking across, don't even think about trying to drive
> across.
>
> 4WD vehicles are not invincible. And as pilots like to note: "There are
old
> pilots and there are bold pilots; there are few old, bold pilots."
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
> *******
>
> Ski holiday ends in death
>
> Annelie Muller and Deon van der Merwe
>
> Tiffendell (Die Burger/Sapa 20AUG02) - A Pretoria family's skiing holiday
> has ended tragically
> with their 4x4 vehicle being swept away in the icy Crocodile River in
> the Eastern Cape. Four of the vehicles occupants are safe, the body of a
> fifth has been found and a sixth is still missing.
>
> A couple, their three children and a friend were in the 4x4, which was
> swept off a low-level bridge by a flash flood near here. They were on
> their way home when the tragedy happened.
>
> Viljee Joubert, his wife, Tersia, their daughter Stephanie and the
> children's friend, a boy, were rescued, but the other two Joubert
> children, Mia (5) and Agné (7), were still missing on Sunday evening.
>
> The body of one of the girls was found on Sunday evening and on Monday
> morning police divers were searching for the body of the second girl.
>
> Inspector Stephen Maree said the rescue team comprised two police divers
> and two divers of the East London fire department.
>
> Tiffendell ski resort staff member Mark Shaw, who was on the scene when
> the Jouberts' vehicle was swept away, said the road had already been
> closed by then. He said Joubert was warned not to cross the river.
>
> River levels were rising
>
> Shaw and a colleague, Johan Smit, rushed to the family's aid. The boy
> was rescued about 300m downstream, where he was clinging to the branches
> of a tree.
>
> Shaw said on Sunday night: "I am still in shock and trying to process
> the events. I do not want to say too much about the incident at this
> stage."
>
> He is a seasonal worker at the resort and comes from Cape Town.
>
> Madelyn Wolmarans, of the full-time staff at Tiffendell, said the resort
> management had sent two vehicles down the mountain earlier that day to
> ascertain the levels of the rivers through which visitors had to travel
> on their way to Barkly East.
>
> Wolmarans said the level of the river had risen by 1.5m already at that
> stage.
>
> Provincial disaster management co-ordinator Captain John Fobian said
> four other bodies were recovered in the Duncan Village area in East
> London at the weekend. Six others were still missing.
>
> Four bodies were recovered on Friday and Saturday. A four-year-old girl,
> a 30-year-old man and a 55-year-old woman were among those who died.
>
> Searches for the six people missing in the East London area would
> continue on Monday, said Skwatsha
>
>
>
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63891 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Re: shop press
I too have one at my house and one at our shop.
My house is located just west of 67th avenue and just north of loop 101
roughly. Email me off list for directions for those that want to use it this
weekend. We can set up a time too.
Shop is at 23rd avenue and Deer Valley road. Pop in and use it whenever you
want during the day.
--
----------------------------
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
63892 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:29am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
(just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
(again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
put the old lady in traction! ;-)
(Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
63893 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:32am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Here is what I see as the pros and cons of the Manual. Of course the auto
will have just the opposite in pros and cons.
Con:
Less control when going slow over rocks (This goes away when you have an
effect crawl ratio and a hand throttle)
Manual shifting in traffic
Loss of torque when in mud, sand or snow when you shift
Pro:
No heat for your cooling system to deal with
down hill engine braking is better
fewer internal parts to go bad
I run a 4 speed manual with hand throttle and 133:1 crawl. My Jeep is not my
daily driver so I have not found a good reason to need an auto.
-----Original Message-----
From: JimSerio [mailto:jim@r...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2002 8:45 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Hi Folks,
I realize this topic has been beaten to death in this and other
forums. I'm not looking for what is the best tranny, but for those
of us in AZ, I was wondering what the most common tranny is? Do the
majority of you use the manual or auto? I ordered a Rubicon
primarily because (after exhaustive reading) it seems that the auto
is preferred for rock crawling. Since this will be my first
Wrangler, I would like to do some rock crawling but I'm not sure how
I will like it. I currently drive a 5 speed Mazda P/U and I love the
manual tranny and I wouldn't mind having it on the Jeep, but from
experience I am under the impression that it may be more difficult
to rock craw with one, especially if you need to stop and go, stop
and go. Other than that, it seems the manual is pretty much equal to
the auto in abilities.
Sorry for the winded post and I'm not trying to start a flame. I'm
just curious what the breakdown is among you VJCers.
Thanks for reading!
Jim
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63894 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:43am
Subject: Lockers, Motor, axels, tranny FOR SALE
I have a 92 YJ 4 cyl getting complete make over putting 9 in high pinon rear d44 high pinon front a 4.0 250 hp etc will have follow items for sale after labor day
4 cyl motor good shape, harness all electricial, radiator cowling etc
rebuilt ax 5 speed tranny
d30 with 297 arb lockers 4.56 gears front spare axel
d35 blown ring and pinion was 4.56 detroit lockers, spare axel
misc parts call during day Rick Logan @ 480-733-2436 ext 115
Rick 92 YJ in surgery
63895 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:41am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test it.
:-P
Chris
(see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> From: sharxjeep@c...
> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
>
>
>
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>
>
63896 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:46am
Subject: Re: Crown King Aniv Run.
-Kyle,
That was great, but I think it lasted a lot longer.
Cricket and I had a great time. we we on Stu run 6:30 am.
Roy
-- In az_vjc@y..., "Kyle Hagan" <Kyle@s...> wrote:
> I have to say I had a great time on my 1st ride with the group.
But when I
> got home my
> head was hurting from all the bouncing around. But I think It was
worth it.
>
> Hope to reide with you all again soon.
>
> If you didnt make it on the trip click here to see what it was
like:
>
> http://www.usa4x4.org/index.asp?Page=shake.asp
>
> Kyle
> www.usa4x4.org
63897 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:49am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on gas, I
Swear it hahahaha
Jesus Chio
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To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test
it.
>
> :-P
>
> Chris
> (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
>
> > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> >
> >
> > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63898 From: richard logan <rlogan@d...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:52am
Subject: ch 12 extreme rock
The jeep they showed this am had square headlights on the ramp coooool
Rick 92 YJ
63899 From: Thom Campbell <trailertrash217@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 7:59am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
I have a 2000 t j up here in the rim country and have lockers in both ends with the manual shift, alot of guys i run with up here have the automatics and they alot of time seem to have an easier time of it on this loose gravel Arizona has to offer on the high enclines,ive seen these auto's hang right in there with the best of them,sure hope i didn't make a mistake in the manual......Thom Campbell
Mike Chatfield wrote:
"an automatic is bad going down hill for exactly the same reason; the torque
converter causes an effective decrease in crawl ratio with a subsequent
decrease in compression (engine) braking"
Now that really depends on your set up.
I had a CJ-5 with a 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, MANUAL tranny with a
4.6:1 first gear. I was following (at the time my dad's Jeep) my current
Jeep w/ 350 Chevy, 4.10 gears, 33" tires, and AUTO tranny with a 3.06:1
first gear.
Guess which one went down hill slower?
The auto tranny equipped Jeep did. I can come down that long hill on FR-42,
or the Knife edge on Spare Tire Canyon in 1st gear without having to touch
the brakes at all with my 4L60E equipped Jeep. The reason being, the
computer that controls the tranny also controls the engine. The computer
sees that there is 0% throttle, RPM is above normal, Tranny is in 1st gear
so it either (I haven't figured out which) increases pressure to the torque
converter or locks it up AND then it also shuts down fuel and spark,
essentially turning the engine into a big air compressor.
I don't know about Jeep tranny's, but I'm hooked on the GM electronic ones.
- Mike
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63900 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:03am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
I think the main concern about the Alumaflex is that over time, with enough
flexing, they can experience sudden failure (breakage)...where as a steal
t/r will just bend.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
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To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on gas,
I
> Swear it hahahaha
>
>
>
>
> Jesus Chio
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> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> > That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really test
> it.
> >
> > :-P
> >
> > Chris
> > (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> >
> > > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> > >
> > >
> > > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
> > >
> > >
> > >
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63901 From: Jesus Chio <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:07am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
We had the stock rod on the XJ and changed it for the Challenger one (we
thought it would be better.
Next day in the morning after 2 stages on a rallye, a little jump of 1'
while going up, landed on the left front tire and it pretzelizeeeed the rod.
We installed the 2nd alum rod and while going down on the next obstacle,
passenger tire was forced against a ledge and it bent again.
I think the problem on these rods is, that once it starts bending, its easy
to keep going.
We installed the stock and made it trough the day with no further problems.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>;
"Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> I think the main concern about the Alumaflex is that over time, with
enough
> flexing, they can experience sudden failure (breakage)...where as a steal
> t/r will just bend.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
> To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>; "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 7:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
>
>
> > We bent two of those in less than 6 hours, 33" tires and not hard on
gas,
> I
> > Swear it hahahaha
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> > To: <sharxjeep@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
> > Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 9:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> >
> >
> > > That's because you never spend enough time right side up to really
test
> > it.
> > >
> > > :-P
> > >
> > > Chris
> > > (see, I'm not saying anything bad about the tie-rod)
> > >
> > > > From: sharxjeep@c...
> > > > Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2002 08:31:52 EDT
> > > > To: arizonajeep@c..., mkacuna@c..., azvjc@a...
> > > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
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63902 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:32am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
Hi Sharky,
I only respond to keep people from making a mistake...
If memory serves me correctly, you experienced a failure of your
Alumi-Fracture tierod.... yes?
And... if memory also serves me correctly, it failed just the way I said it
would... nice linear break, grainy surfaces at the fracture site indicative of
fatigue failure.
EXACTLY what you would expect of aluminum which is subjected to damage caused
by rocks and then cycled repeatedly.
I am playing fair... and I don't mind being vocal when people's lives depend
on faulty engineering. Just think where you may be had your tierod failed
while you were on the freeway moving at 70mph...
Rocks and aluminum don't mix when it comes to critical suspension components
such as tierods.
And for those of you who think that race cars use aluminum suspension parts...
remember that race car suspension systems are not subject to the damage which
is inevitable when rock crawling. The aluminum tierod itself isn't such a bad
idea were your Jeep never to see a rocky trail where it might be damaged. The
problem is the way aluminum fails when subjected to damage...
As long as people on this list don't recommend these crappy things... I'll be
quiet. I have to share a freeway with these vehicles and I don't want to be
around when one fails on the highway.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
PS. If the manufacturer (whoever it is) wants to contact me... I'd be more
than happy to explain to them why Aluminum is a bad choice for a tierod on
offroad vehicles. Isn't the manufacturer on this list?
If so... why is it that they have not responded to my comments?
I can tell you why... the reason is that they have not done any appropriate
analysis and they don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to debating me.
They stand more to loose by getting in a debate with me than they do by just
being quiet. This product will die Sharky, and you will someday replace it on
your rig... hopefully it won't be because you crash at high speed.
e even gone to the complete steering system. I love the thing, and Ive
> been using the Alumi-flex for a few years now and Im still here. Instead of
> telling everyone else your opinion about it and what trash it is, why not
> discuss your concerns with Troy from Toys by Troy and get all of the info
> about it first. Every time they mention the Alumi-Flex you go off on this
> same old bash. There are some immitations out there that have had problems
> but I know for a fact that when Troy had a concern about a possible problem
> he revamped the thing. At least give him the courtesy of defending the
> product. Geeze Joe be fair :)
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
>
>
>
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63903 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:38am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
<grin>
Yes indeed... your Chevy 350 with your slushbox transmission *might* be able to whup
my 4.0l with a manual transmission.
For those of you who didn't purchase the Chevrolet 350 V-8 option when you purchased
your TJ... stick with the manual transmission...
<grin>
Thanks Jay... as always, I enjoy your comments.
Joe
Jay Eller wrote:
> Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
> responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
>
> First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
> care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
> like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
> cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
> absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
> a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
> to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
> (just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
> so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
> (again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
> manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
> appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
> automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
> loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
> cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
>
> So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
> with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
> the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
> in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
>
> So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
> put the old lady in traction! ;-)
>
> (Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
> absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
> discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
> Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller (http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut)
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
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63904 From: Jim Serio <jim@r...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:44am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Joe,
Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks down,
I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very little
maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have to
replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years. I've
done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is this
a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood it.
Does the manual have the same problems?
For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock crawling,
how often do you need to replace the clutch?
Jim
63905 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 4:56am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
Hey Joe
I do appreciate your concern however I would not consider what happened to
my tie rod a failure. The tie rod broke on skull crusher due to a rock
forcing the tie rod against the spring perch bracket. It was a one in a
million shot and I could probably never repeat that scenario.I probably test
this thing harder than anyone I know who runs one.The alumi-Flex has been
around long enough and there are enough out there being run that if the
fatigue factor was that great we surely would have heard about the problems.
I know of other companies that build an all aluminum tie rod and they have
had problems however I stand behind Toys by Troy's Alumi- Flex tie rod that I
am running. Anyone whos wheeled with me knows the system on my Jeep has been
tested thoroughly. This is just one of those times when we agree to disagree.
Damn this is fun!
Sharky
63906 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:58am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
My CJ does not have a hydraulic clutch so I do not have the master cylinder
to contend with. No manual trainy that I know of has rotors???
As far as reliability a manual is way more reliable then an Auto. I have
about 150K on my CJ and I have replaced my clutch ones and it cost me about
$200. I just had the auto in my wife's F350 rebuilt at 120K miles and it
cost me $2000.
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Serio [mailto:jim@r...]
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:44 AM
To: arizonajeep@c...; 'JimSerio'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Joe,
Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks down,
I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very little
maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have to
replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years. I've
done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is this
a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood it.
Does the manual have the same problems?
For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock crawling,
how often do you need to replace the clutch?
Jim
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63907 From: azcj <azcj@y...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 8:58am
Subject: Re: Flyin' Hi
If you are referring to the controversy about the ring gear bolts
backing out and breaking off 6 months after they installed the gears
and carrier, that was me. No, Fly-N-Hi never took any responsibility
for the problem. After going back and forth through the BBB, the BBB
finally suggested that I take legal action. Every response from F-N-
Hi said that they did everything correctly and I caused the problem
through various means, ranging from powder coating the housing, which
was never done, to using the vehicle in a manner that exceeds its
original engineering specs (off-road with a lift and big tires). One
of the letters from the president of the company, who was never at
the store or met me in person, even went as far as to say that I left
their store a happy, satisfied customer! It has been quite a learning
experience and one that I will do my best to avoid repeating. The
only person at F-N-Hi that tried to help was Torrey at FST. He is the
one that received everyone's emails. I talked with him a few times
and he said that he was sorry that there was nothing he could do to
get my money back from the store I went to but that he would get me
the best price on any parts in the future to try to help me out. I
haven't tested that and I'm not sure that I will because just going
into a store that is run by Mike Dye (Fly-N-Hi, FST, Phoenix Welding
Supply, Dye Carbonic, Consolidated Welding and Paint) goes against
what I learned from my experience with the way he runs a business and
treats his customers when they experience a problem. I know others in
the AZVJC have had great experiences with him, most likely at Phoenix
Welding Supply, but my experience has been that he doesn't stand
behind the work done by his employees and is very willing to lie in
writing to protect the "good name" of one of his companies. Just my
opinion from my experience.
-Scott Edwards
--- In az_vjc@y..., "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...> wrote:
>
> Whatever happened to the whole Flyin' Hi
> controversy? Did the person who was having
> the problem with him get it resolved?
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
63908 From: Jim Serio <jim@r...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:00am
Subject: RE: Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
Oops. Had a brain fart there. For some reason I was thinking about
breaks.
Jim
> My CJ does not have a hydraulic clutch so I do not have the master
cylinder
> to contend with. No manual trainy that I know of has rotors???
>
> As far as reliability a manual is way more reliable then an Auto. I
have
> about 150K on my CJ and I have replaced my clutch ones and it cost
me about
> $200. I just had the auto in my wife's F350 rebuilt at 120K miles
and it
> cost me $2000.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Serio [mailto:jim@r...]
> Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 8:44 AM
> To: arizonajeep@c...; 'JimSerio'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Rubicon - Auto or Manual?
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Thanks for the great response. I have 2 questions:
>
> 1.) Although an auto is more expensive to maintain if it breaks
down,
> I've read (I think on JU) that an auto can go forever with very
little
> maintenence (just replace the fluid) whereas with a manual we have
to
> replace the clutch, master cylinder, rotors, etc every few years.
I've
> done this 3 times with my current vehicle (160K miles on it). Is
this
> a reasonable description of the maintence of the two?
>
> 2.) I've read that an auto tranny is not sealed so if you go just a
> littler deeper than you should in a water crossing, you can flood
it.
> Does the manual have the same problems?
>
> For those of you with a manual who do a good amount of rock
crawling,
> how often do you need to replace the clutch?
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:12am
Subject: [FS] FS: Dana 60 front axle Passenger side drop
Price: $1100 Negotiable
Contact: Sean King Email: blt4rox@earthlink.net Home Phone:480-807-0341.
Dodge D60 front axle 67" wide from Wheel Mount Flange to WMF. 4.10 gears. Diff on passenger side.
63910 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:12am
Subject: Re: alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
maybe they should make your roll cage out of alumi-flex sharky =P
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To: <arizonajeep@c...>; <mkacuna@c...>; <azvjc@a...>
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2002 5:31 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] alumi-flex tierods for $89 new
> You keep talking about hese things...Im still running the Alumi-Flex and
> have even gone to the complete steering system. I love the thing, and Ive
> been using the Alumi-flex for a few years now and Im still here. Instead
of
> telling everyone else your opinion about it and what trash it is, why not
> discuss your concerns with Troy from Toys by Troy and get all of the info
> about it first. Every time they mention the Alumi-Flex you go off on this
> same old bash. There are some immitations out there that have had problems
> but I know for a fact that when Troy had a concern about a possible
problem
> he revamped the thing. At least give him the courtesy of defending the
> product. Geeze Joe be fair :)
>
> Sharky ( running Alumi-Flex and still not dead) :)
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63911 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Thu Aug 22, 2002 9:25am
Subject: Re: Auto vs Manual
Jay and all:
I have a '78 Cherokee W/T with the 360 and TH400. Since I have
installed the fuel injection (which shuts off the flow of fuel at 0
throttle above certain rpm) and the 4.56 gears (w/35x12.50x15" tires) I
am amazed at the improvement in engine braking going down hills. I
seldom touch the brakes at all when in low/low and I tested it by
running FR42 the first time out. Most impressed and pleasantly
surprised. Considering the weight of the rig (which I am sure is
heavier then most of yours) it does a great job. And all this without
the lock-up converter which, I am sure, would only make it better.
Gary Holmes
Jay Eller wrote:
>Joe is SO good at stirring the pot!! ;-) You phrase stuff just right to illicit
>responses. So..............I must respond ;-)
>
>First, I don't feel my 38.5" tire'd Jeep is a sports car. Therefore, I don't
>care to rap through the gears like a Porsche. I don't care to try to drive it
>like it has a supercharged race motor. I drive it like it IS my Cadillac. I
>cruise in it with absolutely NO hurry to get anywhere. So you might guess that I
>absolutely LOVE my automatic. I DO run a mild Chevy 350. So power really isn't
>a concern. I also built my Jeep knowing that I don't drive it 30 miles one way
>to work every day. I only live 4-5 miles from nearly every place I need to be
>(just coincedence). And I do drive it EVERY day, just not very far. So I'm not
>so concerned about eeking out 1 more mile per gallon. The auto is absolutely
>(again, in my opinion) the easiest way to go in the rocks. I will conceed that a
>manual is just as good as an auto in the rocks if you gear everything
>appropriately. But you need REALLY good gearing. Also, you will find that an
>automatic is WAY more friendly to your drivetrain. You don't have the shock
>loads like can be applied by a manual due to the converter acting as a big
>cushion. Your drivetrain will thank you.
>
>So..........in my opinion...........I'll keep my "Granspa's old Cadillac" ride
>with my auto. I went from manual to auto and love it. So I am on that side of
>the fence now. This will always be discussed. I just love it when people bring
>in the "soft and cushy" arguements rather than the factual arguements.
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>So Joe.............wanna race????? Naaaaaaaahhhhhh, I might spill my coffee and
>put the old lady in traction! ;-)
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>(Just a note, I'm sending this email with a lot of "tongue and cheek". I am
>absolutely NOT offended by Joe's post. Only following along with the age old
>discussions about autos versus manuals and how the conversations usually go.
>Nothing personal meant at all! All in good fun.)
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>Jay Eller (http://community.webshots.com/user/four_by_nut)
>http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
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