Shooter's World -- unload your firearm

[Stu Olson]

While picking up my gun vault today, I asked the friendly sales person about their BIG signs on the front doors regarding no uncased firearms allowed in the store (LEO exempted). No, a holster does not constitute a case. Did this apply to CCW holders?

Answer...."Yes"

Now I find it somewhat hypocritical that they are more than happy to take your $$ for the CCW courses they teach.....but yet you can't carry in their store.

In my opinion, there is a much higher chance of a ND while someone attempts to comply (unload their handgun and case it). Leaving it parked in one's holster would seem to be the safest place for it.

Am I off base here on my thinking?

[RandyT]

I agree, that is crazy.
There was a firearms dealer I used to give my business to until they did the same thing. Seems kind of two faced.

[06GrnRubi]

Never thought about it before, but I would have to agree.

Did you ask about it?

[AZG23]

Hence why I wont step foot in the place.......

[Joe West]

Caswell's in Mesa asks that you unload your weapon before entering the store and they provide a place out front to do it safely. I always ASSUMED it did not apply to CCW holders, now I will have to ask. Sheesh... I sure hope the answer is not; this does not apply to CCW holders.

I'll let everyone know after I check.

Joe

[mingoglia]

Yeah, Caswell's was that way for years. I was told by the instructor that it also applied to CCW holders. I was told the spirit of this rule has to do with the fact that a large percentage of people that bring a firearm into the retail area of a gun shop are planning on handling the gun while in the store for one reason or another. Because of this greater chance of handling the gun within the store their insurance dictates that the guns be emptied before heading in.

[fatboypup]

im glad i can carry in the scottsdale gun club :)

[Allen]

im glad i can carry in the scottsdale gun club :)


x2

[fatboypup]

sorry for the hijack but i have about 4 guest passes to use by year end for the SGC if anyone wants to check it out

[joedokes28]

While picking up my gun vault today, I asked the friendly sales person about their BIG signs on the front doors regarding no uncased firearms allowed in the store (LEO exempted). No, a holster does not constitute a case. Did this apply to CCW holders?

Answer...."Yes"

Now I find it somewhat hypocritical that they are more than happy to take your $$ for the CCW courses they teach.....but yet you can't carry in their store.

In my opinion, there is a much higher chance of a ND while someone attempts to comply (unload their handgun and case it). Leaving it parked in one's holster would seem to be the safest place for it.

Am I off base here on my thinking?

You make a valid point.

On the other hand, I had a girl friend 10 years ago who's father killed himself in Shooters World. He wasn't their first. These incidents may have something to do with it. JMHO, who knows.

[Hunter]

Wow, off to thump the gun stores.... Geeze..

How about you look at like this...

Since none of you own (I dont think anyway) a business that has to worry about liablity insurance, then it wouldnt be something to think about. I am sure there might be some issues if they keep everyone from walking around with loaded weapons. Belive it or not, not everyone who owns a firearm knows how to use it safely. I am sure it cuts the monthly bill a lot if weapons are empty

But the biggest reason is theft or robbery. It is a gun store owner's worst nightmare. If a guy is walking around with a loaded gun... how in the heck are you suppsed to who know is going to rob you? Hmm.. the last 3 guys in the store.... or the last 2 guys? if the weapon is supposed to be empty, then it will help weed out the ones who are up to no good.

That is a reason why just about everyone who works at a gun store carries. Now that I think about, I dont think I have ever seen an employee of a gun store not packin'.

[Stu Olson]

Now that I think about, I dont think I have ever seen an employee of a gun store not packin'.
Yeah....a lot like a shoe store. I don't believe I've ever seen a barefoot shoe salesman.

The difference there is that I don't recall any shoe stores telling me to unload before I come in to lay money on their counter.

I unloaded this morning at Shooter's World. Unless I overlooked the obvious, they had nothing out front to provide a safe place/method to unload. Granted, I've unloaded thousands of times......however, I don't routinely do it in public/outdoors. One would think a clearing barrel might be a good idea. (we have them at work for that very purpose) Since I'm already on their property at that point, it still seems like a liability issue.

Next question.....how many CCW holders routinely (or even randomly) hold up gun stores? I would gladly show them my permit if that would make them feel any better. If you can't produce one, you can unload before entering.

But the biggest reason is theft or robbery. It is a gun store owner's worst nightmare. If a guy is walking around with a loaded gun... how in the heck are you suppsed to who know is going to rob you? Hmm.. the last 3 guys in the store.... or the last 2 guys? if the weapon is supposed to be empty, then it will help weed out the ones who are up to no good.
Do you honestly think that a person intent on robbing a gun store would change their mind if they saw a sign that says you can't bring a loaded firearm into the building? I really don't think they would. The 10,000 gun laws that are on the books now don't stop the criminals....why would the sign at Shooter's World?

[Hunter]

Yeah....a lot like a shoe store. I don't believe I've ever seen a barefoot shoe salesman.

The difference there is that I don't recall any shoe stores telling me to unload before I come in to lay money on their counter.

Oh, good compairison. :rolleyes: Then again, its been awhile since I have seen a high capicty Nike. I cant even imagine someone trying to triple tap me with a loafer. Heaven knows some could unload a 30 round box of shoelaces and spray the counter

I unloaded this morning at Shooter's World. Unless I overlooked the obvious, they had nothing out front to provide a safe place/method to unload. Granted, I've unloaded thousands of times......however, I don't routinely do it in public/outdoors. One would think a clearing barrel might be a good idea. (we have them at work for that very purpose) Since I'm already on their property at that point, it still seems like a liability issue.

That is a good point. Just about every place that does not allowed loaded weapons has provided a place to safely clear. Barrel full of sand, etc. I'd make a suggestion next time you go in.

Next question.....how many CCW holders routinely (or even randomly) hold up gun stores? I would gladly show them my permit if that would make them feel any better. If you can't produce one, you can unload before entering.

As far I know, none. No doubt that you would have no problem with passing out your paper work. But then you would most likely the guy behind you will get irked because someone is standing outside the door asking for ID and CCW paperwork. He will complain that he feels violated that some 20 year old punk wants to see his papers..

And then you still have the whole insurance liability thing. Accidents still happen. Why risk it?


Do you honestly think that a person intent on robbing a gun store would change their mind if they saw a sign that says you can't bring a loaded firearm into the building?

Not at all. Not for a second. Then again, if I saw you unload your weapon at the door and have it holstered and open chambered, I dont have to worry about you walking up and shooting me either

I really don't think they would. The 10,000 gun laws that are on the books now don't stop the criminals....why would the sign at Shooter's World?


Also a fair argument. I suppose both anti and pro could use that to push forward their case. But if I can do something to help hedge the odds in my favor, you bet I would.

[ecamp55]

I tend to vote with my feet and wallet in places like these. No carry....no spendy, simple as that. I'm glad my 2 local fun stores don't have that policy.

[AZG23]

Just a quick reply....they "used" to have a sand trap and provided cases last time I was there...(the LAST time I was there)

As for not allowing carry for robbery...cmon Hunter...thats about as lame as saying I cant carry in the mall, or anywhere else for that matter...BECAUSE A BAD GUY AINT GONNA UNLOAD AND CASE!

As for the liability..I think you are most correct here...too many have come in for consignment or repair...and pulled a loaded weapon outta their case. OOPS! Sounds more like breaking the 4 rules of gun safety to me...!

And as to the lamo's that have ended their lives there...it was on the live fire range with rented pistols. They are laoded, with purchased ammo...unloading at the door has nothing to do with them.

[sms1688]

First off it is called concealed. WHich means if you are carrying correctly it shouldnt matter.

They should at least have a place to unload safely. On the other handd went to the gun show a couple weeks ago and the had no barrel or anything but you had to unload and zipp tie you gun.

I personally font buy guns from places that make you unload your concealed gun to go into the store. Seems kinda lame to me.

All the gun laws in the world arent going to stop criminals from having guns it is just going to prevent law bidding people from having them.

[JeepPunk]

I guess it would come down to the Store and their policy. If they ask you to unload and you wish to shop there, then unload and follow their policy.
I have been standing at the counter several times to have a customer come up next to me, rack the slide on a loaded handgun, lay it down on the counter and ask what they will give him for it. As the pistol sits there ****ed and not locked... its a liability issue for everyone.

[Wayco]

A lot of good points brought up in this thread, and I'm not gonna argue about anything here. I just didn't want anybody to miss
JeepPunk's little cartoon:
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[Duality]

I have no issues with it, and why should I?

It's their business and it's their choice, and it's their insurance. Can you imagine how much insurance must cost at that place? The blanket liability must be in the hundreds of thousands per year and if someone were to off themselves or someone else, it would just go up. At least they are kind enough to provide a safe place to unload and loan you a bag if you don't have a one.

[Duality]

As for not allowing carry for robbery...cmon Hunter...thats about as lame as saying I cant carry in the mall, or anywhere else for that matter...BECAUSE A BAD GUY AINT GONNA UNLOAD AND CASE!

I'm pretty sure that was Hunter's point.

If they see a guy walk in with a gun on his hip, or even worse, in his hand, it sets up a red flag. That guy could rob you, and there are a dozen armed employees ready to off him. If someone comes in with a cased unloaded gun, you can pretty much assume it is not a threat.

[Joe West]

At Caswell's... you can carry concealed or openly, they just ask that you unload before you go in.

The argument against carrying loaded in a SHOP THAT HAS AN INDOOR RANGE is silly for a number of reasons:

1. The people behind the counter can't tell if your firearm is loaded or not (at Caswell's anyway). If it is concealed well, they can't see it and if it isn't concealed, they can't tell if there is a round in the chamber (well... if they looked close enough at an open carry Glock they could tell). As someone said before; the bad guys aren't going to unload so why in the hell should the good guys. This makes NO SENSE.

2. The people who are firing on the range have loaded weapons and are actually shooting them... what's to stop them from opening the door to the range, going into the lobby of the shop area and start shooting?

Come on people... ANY insurance liability rule asking that customers unload is simply a farce... yes; it may save the shop a few dollars, but logically... how much of a difference will it really make? Do you think for a moment that an insurance company is going to say... "we'll cut your rates in half if you make your patrons unload their weapons before entering". Hell no! There may be a small savings; but I seriously doubt it is very big.

The fact is... it is pure hypocrisy for a gun shop (ESPECIALLY one with an indoor range) to require CCW licenscees to unload their weapons; effectively neutralizing their right to carry concealed.

I'll be having a conversation with Kenny who owns Caswells to see what he has to say about it; and will post it here after I talk to him.

Joe

[Hunter]

I'm pretty sure that was Hunter's point.

If they see a guy walk in with a gun on his hip, or even worse, in his hand, it sets up a red flag. That guy could rob you, and there are a dozen armed employees ready to off him. If someone comes in with a cased unloaded gun, you can pretty much assume it is not a threat.

Thanks Dual. That was my point. Walking in to a gun store is a very, very unique enviroment. Unlike a shoe store or mall, EVERYONE has a weapon. Also, if a crime were to be committed, a gun store is about the safest place to be next a cop's bar cause everyone there is carryin'.

I admit, when I come home last night, I zero paitence as I was at the mall doing the stupid patrol thing with the Posse. Last night was very busy and there was no shortage of bonehead moves and the theme was, well "I am speacial cause it's me". I got that tone from some of the posts and I had enough of that attitude. Made the mistake of posting hot :aagh:under the collar and kickin' up drama.

[TMR37]

Sportsman's Warehouse in Goodyear has a good "compromise" policy. In a nutshell - If you're going to handle your gun in the store, unload it before you come in. If it's not going to be handled, leave it loaded. For example, any holstered sidearm that is not going to be passed around or fitted for a holster can remain loaded and holstered.

This policy protects them from a ND type situation, yet allows the customers to open or concealed carry their sidearm.

[Stu Olson]

Hunter, sorry you had a bad day. Didn't mean to get under your skin.

Best regards and Merry Christmas

[Cave Gimp]

Sportsman's Warehouse in Goodyear has a good "compromise" policy. In a nutshell - If you're going to handle your gun in the store, unload it before you come in. If it's not going to be handled, leave it loaded. For example, any holstered sidearm that is not going to be passed around or fitted for a holster can remain loaded and holstered.

This policy protects them from a ND type situation, yet allows the customers to open or concealed carry their sidearm.

Now that's a policy that makes sense. Sort of like forcing common sense on folks, but some folks need that.

[Stu Olson]

Sportsman's Warehouse in Goodyear has a good "compromise" policy. In a nutshell - If you're going to handle your gun in the store, unload it before you come in. If it's not going to be handled, leave it loaded. For example, any holstered sidearm that is not going to be passed around or fitted for a holster can remain loaded and holstered.

This policy protects them from a ND type situation, yet allows the customers to open or concealed carry their sidearm.
Makes total sense to me.
As I said in my opening post, the chances of there being a ND are MUCH higher just because you have to unload. Leaving it in the holster is much safer.

While I've not shopped at Sportsman's Warehouse, I do believe I'll move my business there. If I need something from Shooter's World, I'll send my wife to get it.....she doesn't carry (yet). :D

JoeW, your observations, as usual, are quite on the mark. It would be a challenge to not have a loaded gun at an indoor range. LOL!

[Duality]

At Caswell's... you can carry concealed or openly, they just ask that you unload before you go in.

The argument against carrying loaded in a SHOP THAT HAS AN INDOOR RANGE is silly for a number of reasons:

1. The people behind the counter can't tell if your firearm is loaded or not (at Caswell's anyway). If it is concealed well, they can't see it and if it isn't concealed, they can't tell if there is a round in the chamber (well... if they looked close enough at an open carry Glock they could tell). As someone said before; the bad guys aren't going to unload so why in the hell should the good guys. This makes NO SENSE.

2. The people who are firing on the range have loaded weapons and are actually shooting them... what's to stop them from opening the door to the range, going into the lobby of the shop area and start shooting?

Come on people... ANY insurance liability rule asking that customers unload is simply a farce... yes; it may save the shop a few dollars, but logically... how much of a difference will it really make? Do you think for a moment that an insurance company is going to say... "we'll cut your rates in half if you make your patrons unload their weapons before entering". Hell no! There may be a small savings; but I seriously doubt it is very big.

The fact is... it is pure hypocrisy for a gun shop (ESPECIALLY one with an indoor range) to require CCW licenscees to unload their weapons; effectively neutralizing their right to carry concealed.

I'll be having a conversation with Kenny who owns Caswells to see what he has to say about it; and will post it here after I talk to him.

Joe

ok Joe, then next time you are in Shooter's World, just let them know that they can tack on that extra insurance cost to all of your purchases/range time to cover it. Thanks for volunteering, as I really enjoy their low prices. Having people like you around to pay frieght is a nice luxury.

:drummer:

[Stu Olson]

ok Joe, then next time you are in Shooter's World, just let them know that they can tack on that extra insurance cost to all of your purchases/range time to cover it. Thanks for volunteering, as I really enjoy their low prices. Having people like you around to pay frieght is a nice luxury.

:drummer:
Why not debate the statements Joe made? They seem quite valid to me.

[Duality]

I can see both sides of what Joe said, but I have my own thoughts on it. As far as I am concerned it is an open and shut case of insurance costs. I used to own a small business and trust me when you run your yearly balance and have the opportunity to save tens of thousands of dollars, you are going to jump through that hoop. Yes, someone could jump out of the enclosed range and start opening fire, but insurance would call that an inherent risk. By requiring all firarms to be unloaded and cased, you are drastically cutting down on the number of inherent risks.

Think of it this way, if 100 people walk through the door with firearms, each one of them cased and unloaded, you are at no risk. If 5 people fail to unload, you are at a 5% risk and to an insurance adjuster, that 5% is going to raise your premium quite a bit so having that sign requiring EVERYONE to unload, will save you bucks.

In addition, I feel if someone wants to open fire in a business, it is not any more dangerous in a gun store/range than it is in a Wal Mart. In both cases it is the same bad guy, with the same intent and chances are insurance is going to look at Wal Mart and Shooter's World as equal at risk businesses.

[TRLR8TDTJ]

All this talking about shoting made me go shoot yeasterday, now I am thinking about going again right now.

Kyle

[06GrnRubi]

All this talking about shoting made me go shoot yeasterday, now I am thinking about going again right now.

Kyle


Ya! Makes me want to go kill some paper.

[Joe West]

Kenny and other owners should simply pass along the insurance cost to customers and allow concealed carry in their facilities. I'll bet the insurance cost in close to nothing since people are already firing weapons in the facility.

The request to unload your weapons on the door of a firearm shop / range equates to nothing more than a "weapons are prohibited in this facility" sign that irritates so many of us in our daily visits to shopping centers, stores, etc.

Before I get too spun up, I'm going to talk to Kenny and make sure that Caswell's really does expect CCW holders to disarm before entering.

I'll let everyone know.

Joe

I can see both sides of what Joe said, but I have my own thoughts on it. As far as I am concerned it is an open and shut case of insurance costs. I used to own a small business and trust me when you run your yearly balance and have the opportunity to save tens of thousands of dollars, you are going to jump through that hoop. Yes, someone could jump out of the enclosed range and start opening fire, but insurance would call that an inherent risk. By requiring all firarms to be unloaded and cased, you are drastically cutting down on the number of inherent risks.

Think of it this way, if 100 people walk through the door with firearms, each one of them cased and unloaded, you are at no risk. If 5 people fail to unload, you are at a 5% risk and to an insurance adjuster, that 5% is going to raise your premium quite a bit so having that sign requiring EVERYONE to unload, will save you bucks.

In addition, I feel if someone wants to open fire in a business, it is not any more dangerous in a gun store/range than it is in a Wal Mart. In both cases it is the same bad guy, with the same intent and chances are insurance is going to look at Wal Mart and Shooter's World as equal at risk businesses.

[TRLR8TDTJ]

Just got back this habbit is getting expensive.

Kyle

[Stu Olson]

In addition, I feel if someone wants to open fire in a business, it is not any more dangerous in a gun store/range than it is in a Wal Mart.

I guess that is where you and I will have to simply disagree.

The way I see it, if someone opens fire at Shooter's World, I'm standing there with my gun empty and nicely packed into a carry case, thanks to their store policy.

If someone opens fire at WalMart, I have my weapon loaded and parked in my holster.

To me, that is quite a big difference.....I suppose others may not see it that way.

I would think that if the sign makes that much of a difference, then one would think all gun stores would be doing it since retail firearms sales is not a high profit margin venture. Since all are not, there must be more to it than insurance liability.

It's OK....it won't be the first time I've shifted my discretionary spending to another retailer. ;)

[Joe West]

So... I talked to Bridger, the GM at Caswell's (Kenny was gone for the day).

The reason Caswell's wants patrons disarmed in the store (CCW holders included) is NOT because of insurance. Bridger said it has nothing to do with insurance at all. He stated that because so many of their members have CCW licenses, they are afraid that some "hero" will try to defend the store in the event of an armed robbery. He said their policy is to let any robber have anything they want, and NOT to fire a weapon simply because of a robbery. Clearly if the situation warranted it, they would fire to defend their lives... but they want employees making that decision and not patrons.

Simply put... they are worried about the John Wayne types who may want to try out their new found CCW freedom inappropriately. They know the training level of their staff and they know that their staff will make the correct decision... they aren't sure about other people.

Bridger also mentioned that it is easier on the staff if they know that every customer in the store who is handling a weapon, is handling an UNLOADED weapon.... which gives them some degree of confidence that they are safe.

Bridger stated that as a customer... there is no safer place to be unarmed than in a gun store that has 6 well armed, trained firearms instructors with loaded weapons all around them. :D

So... I'll need to ponder how I feel about being required to disarm when I go into Caswells... but I thought I'd post up Bridger's comments. Their logic makes sense and if I worked there I would want the same thing; honestly... there are a large number of stupid people in the world and they are simply making life easier on their employees.

Ack....

It was easy to be unhappy about having to unload my weapon because of insurance purposes... it is MUCH more difficult to be unhappy when the reason for unloading is due to people... especially when I myself would prefer not to be in a room full of people handling loaded weapons.

Joe

[TRLR8TDTJ]

I think shooting range is the last place a crook will target.

Kyle

[06GrnRubi]

Anyone remember the last time they heard of a gun store being robbed when it was open for business?

Seriously. I can't remember.

[fatboypup]

Just got back this habbit is getting expensive.

Kyle

yanno i used to think my p22 was the only thing I could afford to shoot everyday but even its adding up 10 bux a day ... i need another hobby :drummer:

[Stu Olson]

Thanks Joe, for posting up that info....that at least makes some sense. :2thumbsup:

[Duality]

I guess I need to go back to logical reasoning class.

Thanks, Joe!

it makes sense.

[UGROWUP]

wow I read all this just to find out that my answer had already been posted?! Wow. I guess I am just slow. But to add to Joe for just a second. As a weapons Instructor who teaches almost 7000 students a year in a number of different weapons, I can say that the average person with a gun is very scary. I agree with the fact that Places like Shooters world and Caswell's don't want you armed inside their store. I don't want people armed while on my range but that I can't avoid. So I for one will be happy to keep my pistol cased and unloaded when going into the stores where I know I will be protected by the Employees. But for places like wall mart? I'll stay armed!!!

[Joe West]

Sometimes I forget that the "average" CCW holder (and or gunshop patron) isn't necessarily the average azvjc member when it comes to intellectual capacity. That being said... and having had time to think about it; I've decided if I were in Caswell's or Shooter World's position... I too would request that patrons do a "Barney Fife" and take the rounds from their chambers.

Joe

[mingoglia]

So... I talked to Bridger, the GM at Caswell's (Kenny was gone for the day).

The reason Caswell's wants patrons disarmed in the store (CCW holders included) is NOT because of insurance. Bridger said it has nothing to do with insurance at all. He stated that because so many of their members have CCW licenses, they are afraid that some "hero" will try to defend the store in the event of an armed robbery. He said their policy is to let any robber have anything they want, and NOT to fire a weapon simply because of a robbery. Clearly if the situation warranted it, they would fire to defend their lives... but they want employees making that decision and not patrons.

Simply put... they are worried about the John Wayne types who may want to try out their new found CCW freedom inappropriately. They know the training level of their staff and they know that their staff will make the correct decision... they aren't sure about other people.

Bridger also mentioned that it is easier on the staff if they know that every customer in the store who is handling a weapon, is handling an UNLOADED weapon.... which gives them some degree of confidence that they are safe.

Bridger stated that as a customer... there is no safer place to be unarmed than in a gun store that has 6 well armed, trained firearms instructors with loaded weapons all around them. :D

So... I'll need to ponder how I feel about being required to disarm when I go into Caswells... but I thought I'd post up Bridger's comments. Their logic makes sense and if I worked there I would want the same thing; honestly... there are a large number of stupid people in the world and they are simply making life easier on their employees.

Ack....

It was easy to be unhappy about having to unload my weapon because of insurance purposes... it is MUCH more difficult to be unhappy when the reason for unloading is due to people... especially when I myself would prefer not to be in a room full of people handling loaded weapons.

Joe

I think Bridger doesn't know what he's talking about even being the GM. I'm sure someone before him made that rule. As I stated earlier (although I did also mention the insurance I believe as well) it has to do with the higher likelihood that someone is going to handle a firearm in the store and therefore have an accident. So yeah, Bridger did mention that... but his other reason about having a shootout in the parking lot is utter BS and I think after he started explaining that I'd question his credibility on the rest of the story. That ridiculous story makes me want to bust his balls the next time I'm in that store.

[Antman]

I think Bridger doesn't know what he's talking about even being the GM. I'm sure someone before him made that rule. As I stated earlier (although I did also mention the insurance I believe as well) it has to do with the higher likelihood that someone is going to handle a firearm in the store and therefore have an accident. So yeah, Bridger did mention that... but his other reason about having a shootout in the parking lot is utter BS and I think after he started explaining that I'd question his credibility on the rest of the story. That ridiculous story makes me want to bust his balls the next time I'm in that store.

I have to agree with this. If I'm there to buy a gun or sell a gun, I have enough common sense to bring it in a case or locked open and not in a concealed or open carry holster on my side. All you need is a sign to explain this as you come in. Anything else is hypocritical. This will not, however, affect my going into the store, if it is THEIR business wishes.

[Stu Olson]

So....am I just missing it because it is so big or is there nothing at the entrance of Shooter's World where one can safely "aim" a handgun while removing the round from the chamber? (I don't believe aiming at the ground is suitable as I've seen too many bullets ricochet at the outdoor range.)

If the store requires one to unload, doesn't it make sense they provide a safe means by which to accomplish the task? :2guns:

[Joe West]

I know Bridger personally, and he isn't the type to blow smoke. Also... remembering that Caswell's trains people how to respond in just such a situation (I've had 6 or so trips to their simulator), I can imagine someone wanting to be a hero and try out their new found skills.

I have first hand experience with both Bridger and Caswell's training and given what I know; I believe him.

Joe


I think Bridger doesn't know what he's talking about even being the GM. I'm sure someone before him made that rule. As I stated earlier (although I did also mention the insurance I believe as well) it has to do with the higher likelihood that someone is going to handle a firearm in the store and therefore have an accident. So yeah, Bridger did mention that... but his other reason about having a shootout in the parking lot is utter BS and I think after he started explaining that I'd question his credibility on the rest of the story. That ridiculous story makes me want to bust his balls the next time I'm in that store.

[AZG23]

So....am I just missing it because it is so big or is there nothing at the entrance of Shooter's World where one can safely "aim" a handgun while removing the round from the chamber? (I don't believe aiming at the ground is suitable as I've seen too many bullets ricochet at the outdoor range.)

If the store requires one to unload, doesn't it make sense they provide a safe means by which to accomplish the task? :2guns:

They "used" to have a large sand trap next to the entrance....havent been there since..so cant tell you

[AZG23]

forgot to add....that they may be armed, and they may be instructors...but they have NO legal obligation to protect you.

I DO know at SGC, that those that are carrying have to QUALIFY to carry in the retail area. However, SGC (at least the last times I went) did NOT require you to unload and case a weapon, unless there for consignment type sales.

[fatboypup]

forgot to add....that they may be armed, and they may be instructors...but they have NO legal obligation to protect you.

I DO know at SGC, that those that are carrying have to QUALIFY to carry in the retail area. However, SGC (at least the last times I went) did NOT require you to unload and case a weapon, unless there for consignment type sales.

Cased or holstered upon entry ......

[AZG23]

Cased or holstered upon entry ......

large difference....

[UGROWUP]

Stu,
Yes shooters world has a very large steel and sand clearing area just to the right of the door. And also to the right of the tower that the gun cases are hanging from.

[Stu Olson]

Stu,
Yes shooters world has a very large steel and sand clearing area just to the right of the door. And also to the right of the tower that the gun cases are hanging from.
Thanks.....that must have been the sandy area where I saw those two feral cats digging around. :)









(did I mention that feral cats are good for...... oops, never mind) :D

[etropic]

what happened to "treat every gun as a loaded gun"?

[AZG23]

what happened to "treat every gun as a loaded gun"?

its still Gun Safety Rule #1

[etropic]

its still Gun Safety Rule #1

exactly!!
so it doesn't make sense from nearly any standpoint that a posted sign to unload makes anyone safer under any condition for any reason.

[AZG23]

exactly!!
so it doesn't make sense from nearly any standpoint that a posted sign to unload makes anyone safer under any condition for any reason.

:fashizzle:

Exactly. Just because it is posted, doesnt mean the badguys will. Doesnt mean they cant watch you unload, etc....Id rather go elsewhere.