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63537 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Fw: jeep pic
----- Original Message -----
From: Kon, Kristie
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:47 PM
To: 'riknaz@msn.com'
Subject: Picture # 2
<>
Kristi Kon
Site Manager FM
Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
Phone: (602) 366-8099
Fax: (602) 366-7329
E-Mail: kkon@phelpsdodge.com
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~Aristotle
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63538 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:58pm
Subject: RE: Rick Beers in Accident
We're with you Rick and family. Let me/us know what we can do.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:15 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club; Arizona XJ
> Subject: [az_vjc] Rick Beers in Accident
>
>
> On his way to the CK run today, Rick Beers was in a head on
> accident. A
> drunk driver came into his lane and hit them head on. Everyone is ok
> other than the normal bruises and pains from an accident of this
> magnitude. The Jeep is totaled and they had to cut his son
> out of the
> passenger seat as the majority of the impact was to the
> passenger side.
>
> Rick is extemely lucky that it was not worse than it was.
>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or
> failure, find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
>
>
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63539 From: robert mcneeley <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Glad to hear you and your family is ok. Let any of know if you need anything and it will get done.My prayers are with you.
Bob
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63540 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:05pm
Subject: Fw: Jeep
----- Original Message -----
From: Kon, Kristie
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:18 PM
To: 'riknaz@msn.com'
Subject: Jeep
<>
Kristi Kon
Site Manager FM
Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
Phone: (602) 366-8099
Fax: (602) 366-7329
E-Mail: kkon@phelpsdodge.com
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63541 From: keithberkshire <keithberkshire@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Jeep
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your kids are really lucky to be OK!! I just hope that you
have the uninsured motorist coverage.
63542 From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Jeep
Rick,
Although I am a newbie and we have never met, My thoughts are with
you and yours. This easily could have been a lot worse situation. I
am glad that you guys were not hurt worse. I hope they take care of
that guy good.
Gary Pugsley
--- In az_vjc@y..., "RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kon, Kristie
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:18 PM
> To: 'riknaz@m...'
> Subject: Jeep
>
> <<Jeep (Accident Scene).jpg>>
>
> Kristi Kon
> Site Manager FM
> Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
> Phone: (602) 366-8099
> Fax: (602) 366-7329
> E-Mail: kkon@p...
>
> An un-examined life is not worth living
> ~AristotleGet
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63543 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: RE: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Oh man& That is really bad.
My thoughts and prayers are with you. Thank God everyone is ok.
- Mike
63544 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:51pm
Subject: RE: [FS] Tuffy Series 2 security console
Hi Andrew,
Can you email me a picture of it? What color is it?
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:24 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Tuffy Series 2 security console
Price: $125 obo
Contact: Andrew jpcrawleram@aol.com
Perfect condition 10'' wide. Fits cj's, and 87-90 Yj's. drink holders, storage tray, rubber floor mat, lockable weather resistant lid, and armrest.
Andrew
jpcrawleram@aol.com
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63545 From: <Kilr650@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Uninsured Motorist coverage Was:Re: Re: Fw: Jeep
Uninsured motorist coverage is a bodily injury coverage. The Jeep cannot be repaired or replaced with that coverage. Now if Rick and his family were injured and the other driver had no insurance then uninsured motorist coverage could apply up to the limits purchased. Health insurance obviously would cover any injuries as well. To cover physical damage to the Jeep in the event the at fault party had no insurance one would need Comprehensive and/or Collision coverage.
Disclaimer: This is a basic explanation and you should contact your insurance agent regarding specifics to your own policy.
This is also not meant to flame the original poster. The way I interpreted the message was that the statement was incorrect since Rick and his family were not injured.
Eddie Nordstrom
Licensed Insurance Agent
63546 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
I've been told by several knowledgeable folks that a) GL-5 will damage the
syncros; and, b) DC has acknowledged that it speced GL-5 in either the
owner's manual or the FSM in error. You might need to do some research on
this. If the fluid had been changed at a dealer, they should have known
about this.
Not sure if you are subscribed to the Strokers List, but this was an
extended thread about three months ago; you might want to search through the
archives.
Hope this helps.
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'FredTJ'" <fredtj@c...>; <joe.west@s...>; "'Azvjc
(E-mail)'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 17 August, 2002 17:27
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Hi Fred,
>
> The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's manual for
my
> TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot, I'll be
> headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't want to
> replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the money to
> purchase an NV4500.
>
> I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500... thanks
for
> your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution... email
> arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > in the tranny,
> > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > are running a
> > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > cause the same
> > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > can fill you in
> > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > I think the DC
> > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > can't remember
> > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > sign that I
> > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > the syncros.
> > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong lube, and
> > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > lot of grinding,
> > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > when/if you find
> > out what it is for sure.
> > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > cost to repair
> > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > that's available
> > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> > > interesting problem.
> > >
> > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
> > second,
> > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > taken so long
> > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > wouldn't go into
> > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > built up a
> > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > try after try it
> > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > first and second
> > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > into first. I
> > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > difficulty... third and
> > > fourth are smooth.
> > >
> > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
> > difficulty
> > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > gear work fine.
> > >
> > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > something is wrong...
> > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > shift. I've never
> > had
> > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > happened virtually
> > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > I can't get it
> > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > work but roughly.
> > >
> > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > new... and I
> > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > AX-15 because
> > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > like a syncro
> > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > I would expect
> > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > smoothness into
> > a
> > > particular gear.
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > or perhaps we
> > have
> > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > some thoughts
> > as
> > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > my syncros
> > using
> > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
63547 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the
problem is as soon as you find out.
A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
manual for my
> TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
I'll be
> headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
want to
> replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
money to
> purchase an NV4500.
>
> I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
thanks for
> your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
email
> arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > in the tranny,
> > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > are running a
> > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > cause the same
> > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > can fill you in
> > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > I think the DC
> > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > can't remember
> > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > sign that I
> > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > the syncros.
> > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
lube, and
> > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > lot of grinding,
> > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > when/if you find
> > out what it is for sure.
> > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > cost to repair
> > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > that's available
> > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
an
> > > interesting problem.
> > >
> > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
into
> > second,
> > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > taken so long
> > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > wouldn't go into
> > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > built up a
> > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > try after try it
> > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > first and second
> > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > into first. I
> > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > difficulty... third and
> > > fourth are smooth.
> > >
> > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
some
> > difficulty
> > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > gear work fine.
> > >
> > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > something is wrong...
> > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > shift. I've never
> > had
> > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > happened virtually
> > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > I can't get it
> > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > work but roughly.
> > >
> > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > new... and I
> > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > AX-15 because
> > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > like a syncro
> > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > I would expect
> > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > smoothness into
> > a
> > > particular gear.
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > or perhaps we
> > have
> > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > some thoughts
> > as
> > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > my syncros
> > using
> > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
63548 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
I just thought of one more thing. Could it be a problem with something in
the shifter itself? Maybe something broke (or wore beyond a tolerance) and
now the throw is not enough to get over enough for first gear and second.
Just a thought. I don't think the shifter itself is too hard to pull out.
Chris
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> Reply-To: <joe.west@s...>
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0700
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> interesting problem.
>
> I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into second,
> it would not go into second for anything.
> I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so long
> that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try it
> would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and second
> and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> fourth are smooth.
>
> All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some difficulty
> and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
>
> Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is wrong...
> things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never had
> any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get it
> into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but roughly.
>
> I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would expect
> that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness into a
> particular gear.
>
> I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we have
> some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some thoughts as
> to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros using
> synthetic transmission fluid.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63549 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Fw: jeep pic
WOW!!! I am so glad all are OK after that.
Chris
63550 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the
> problem is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> email
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > > in the tranny,
> > > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a
> > > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > > cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > > lot of grinding,
> > > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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63551 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:29pm
Subject: I really needed a beer!
My donation for the month. Guess my quarter panel and cheezy bumper kept me from flopping. Diane tried to tell me it was a stupid line to pick,
By the way we got home to Heber safe and sound, and thanks to a great group again. Diane and I enjoyed it, Great job of tail gunning by Roy and Cricket in Stu's group. Stu, finally nice to met you. Your even better in person.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
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63552 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Re: CK Run Sad in SC
Joe, It was great fun! The trail was worse than last year, which makes for great fun, and a cold beer on the other end! Sorry you had to miss it.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Kearney
To: Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] CK Run Sad in SC
I hope you all have fun and are safe. I am jealous because I am stuck here in South Carolina and I was going to be on the run but work gets in the way again.
Again, be safe and have fun. Oh take plenty of picture so I can see.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney
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63553 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Rick Beers in Accident
Rick, Glad to hear you guys are ok. Sorry about your ride, and may God bless
and keep your family again.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; Arizona XJ
<arizonaXJ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Rick Beers in Accident
> On his way to the CK run today, Rick Beers was in a head on accident. A
> drunk driver came into his lane and hit them head on. Everyone is ok
> other than the normal bruises and pains from an accident of this
> magnitude. The Jeep is totaled and they had to cut his son out of the
> passenger seat as the majority of the impact was to the passenger side.
>
> Rick is extemely lucky that it was not worse than it was.
>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
>
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63554 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe, I have had this problem... It could be a couple things... First thing
that comes to mind are indeed syncro's. It COULD also be your shift fork.
I dont run tranny fluid in my standard tranny... I run gear oil. Gear oil
is a lot thicker than tranny fluid... So there could have been a lot more
friction between the gears causing the syncro's to go out from warping. I
hope this helps you, cause I know youve helped me numerous times!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Hi Gang,
>
> On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> interesting problem.
>
> I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
second,
> it would not go into second for anything.
> I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so long
> that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try it
> would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and second
> and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> fourth are smooth.
>
> All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
difficulty
> and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
>
> Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is wrong...
> things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never
had
> any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get it
> into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but roughly.
>
> I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would expect
> that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness into
a
> particular gear.
>
> I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we
have
> some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some thoughts
as
> to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros
using
> synthetic transmission fluid.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63555 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Fw: Jeep
Rick,
Whoa! Thats nasty. I heard that your family is ok. Is that correct?
I'd say the turquiose bus held up pretty well.
God Bless,
Scott K
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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:05 PM
To: JEEP
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Jeep
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63556 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:52pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
All you have to do is remove all those little bolts on the shift plate,
release the shifter boot, and pull up on the stick... should slide right
out. Is the tranny leaking at all? Is it full? If you take the plug out
of the filler hole, you should be able to stick your finger in and feel the
fluid.... Also, you can drain your fluid and look for chunks of metal to
see if maybe there was some gear damage.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: <joe.west@s...>; "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> I just thought of one more thing. Could it be a problem with something in
> the shifter itself? Maybe something broke (or wore beyond a tolerance) and
> now the throw is not enough to get over enough for first gear and second.
>
> Just a thought. I don't think the shifter itself is too hard to pull out.
>
> Chris
>
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > Reply-To: <joe.west@s...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0700
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> > Hi Gang,
> >
> > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> > interesting problem.
> >
> > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
second,
> > it would not go into second for anything.
> > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so
long
> > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try
it
> > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and
second
> > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> > started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> > fourth are smooth.
> >
> > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
difficulty
> > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
> >
> > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is
wrong...
> > things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never
had
> > any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get
it
> > into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but
roughly.
> >
> > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would
expect
> > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness
into a
> > particular gear.
> >
> > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we
have
> > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some
thoughts as
> > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros
using
> > synthetic transmission fluid.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
>
63557 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
This issue has come up on JU and AZVJC quite a few times since you have
owned your TJ. It's not well known except on these forums that there is
a typo in the owners manual. If you go down to the dealer they will tell
you to use GL3. I know you have a factory service manual and I'm almost
positive that the factory service manual says to use GL3 lube. I
believe you and I have discussed this in person a year and a half ago
and I'm pretty sure I warned you about it. I know Stu and I have
discussed this too.
Anyway, I wish you luck in your pursuits. I don't think it would be fair
for you to pursue your lawsuit since you frequent these forums and
should have known better. But that's just my opinion. You weren't
trolling for a freebie were you? You and I joked about that in your
driveway one day quite awhile back.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:31 PM
To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the problem
> is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> email
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything in the
> > > tranny, no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a
> > > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > > cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a lot of
> > > grinding, going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
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63558 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:07pm
Subject: Re: I really needed a beer!
-Bill it was good to see you and Diane again. Cricket and I had a
good time, we are looking forward to coming up there this fall to see
you two.
Don't let John - "Hunter offroad" see that decal that you damaged.
Take care
see you later
Roy
-- In az_vjc@y..., "K7ANT" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> My donation for the month. Guess my quarter panel and cheezy bumper
kept me from flopping. Diane tried to tell me it was a stupid line to
pick,
> By the way we got home to Heber safe and sound, and thanks to a
great group again. Diane and I enjoyed it, Great job of tail gunning
by Roy and Cricket in Stu's group. Stu, finally nice to met you. Your
even better in person.
> Bill W
> "Antman"
> K7ANT
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
>
> (In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
63559 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
Please accept my apologies for the comments below. I crossed the line
between joking around and sounding serious. I never should have made
those last comments much less posted them to the group.
Regards,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
This issue has come up on JU and AZVJC quite a few times since you have
owned your TJ. It's not well known except on these forums that there is
a typo in the owners manual. If you go down to the dealer they will tell
you to use GL3. I know you have a factory service manual and I'm almost
positive that the factory service manual says to use GL3 lube. I
believe you and I have discussed this in person a year and a half ago
and I'm pretty sure I warned you about it. I know Stu and I have
discussed this too.
Anyway, I wish you luck in your pursuits. I don't think it would be fair
for you to pursue your lawsuit since you frequent these forums and
should have known better. But that's just my opinion. You weren't
trolling for a freebie were you? You and I joked about that in your
driveway one day quite awhile back.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:31 PM
To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the problem
> is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> email
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything in the
> > > tranny, no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic
> > > will cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a lot of
> > > grinding, going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
>
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63560 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Anniversary run today
Well friends, I just wanted to say that I had a great time up in CK today and the lunch was a success. Although I only had 50 people participate, it was a lot better than having zero and let me add, I want to thank all participants. I have very few photos posted of the run only because we really didn't have much time to take PICS, we didn't want to hold up the pack. It was a pleasure meeting many of the early birds today and I'm looking forward to next year. the only problem I ran into today was both my right rear and right front leaf springs collapsed, now I'm sittin at a lean. And Barry, if your reading this, you think you could help me get a couple of replacement 2 1/2 inch rancho leafs : ) ? TIA if you could. So, other than that, it was fun. Here is the link to the photos we did take. AZVJC Anniversary run pics
63561 From: Mike Hoyt <mike@v...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:17pm
Subject: Re: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Rick,
Sorry to hear about the accident, but pleased to hear you and yours were not seriously injured.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: JEEP
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Nightmare on Deer Valley
Just wanted to start off saying everyone is just fine & thanks for the prayers & the support
well what can I say the AZVJC lost a jeep but not a member or loved one
this morning @ 5 am or so me & my to boys Rj & Cj with their friend Tj was involved in a head on accident just east of 7th street & Deer Valley were the whoops are a drunk driver in my lane hit us as we crested the hill never had time to do or say anything just seen lights the lights out
My youngest son was pinned for awhile until rescue used the jaws of life to free his legs
no one suffered serious injury's just a few stitch's to the front & back off head
the other driver works in the states but is not a legal resident he was not wearing his seat belt
so he had some windshield for breakfast along with all the beer the cops also found some drugs in his car
the jeep is a total loss pics. soon to follow
THANKS RICK BEER
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63537 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:53pm
Subject: Fw: jeep pic
----- Original Message -----
From: Kon, Kristie
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:47 PM
To: 'riknaz@msn.com'
Subject: Picture # 2
<>
Kristi Kon
Site Manager FM
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63538 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 4:58pm
Subject: RE: Rick Beers in Accident
We're with you Rick and family. Let me/us know what we can do.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Leonard K. Pennock [mailto:leonardpennock@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:15 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club; Arizona XJ
> Subject: [az_vjc] Rick Beers in Accident
>
>
> On his way to the CK run today, Rick Beers was in a head on
> accident. A
> drunk driver came into his lane and hit them head on. Everyone is ok
> other than the normal bruises and pains from an accident of this
> magnitude. The Jeep is totaled and they had to cut his son
> out of the
> passenger seat as the majority of the impact was to the
> passenger side.
>
> Rick is extemely lucky that it was not worse than it was.
>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or
> failure, find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
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63539 From: robert mcneeley <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Glad to hear you and your family is ok. Let any of know if you need anything and it will get done.My prayers are with you.
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63540 From: RICK BEER <RIKNAZ@M...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:05pm
Subject: Fw: Jeep
----- Original Message -----
From: Kon, Kristie
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:18 PM
To: 'riknaz@msn.com'
Subject: Jeep
<>
Kristi Kon
Site Manager FM
Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
Phone: (602) 366-8099
Fax: (602) 366-7329
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63541 From: keithberkshire <keithberkshire@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Jeep
Damn!!!!!!!!!!!
You and your kids are really lucky to be OK!! I just hope that you
have the uninsured motorist coverage.
63542 From: Gary_Pugsley <gary_pugsley@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Jeep
Rick,
Although I am a newbie and we have never met, My thoughts are with
you and yours. This easily could have been a lot worse situation. I
am glad that you guys were not hurt worse. I hope they take care of
that guy good.
Gary Pugsley
--- In az_vjc@y..., "RICK BEER" <RIKNAZ@M...> wrote:
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kon, Kristie
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 4:18 PM
> To: 'riknaz@m...'
> Subject: Jeep
>
> <<Jeep (Accident Scene).jpg>>
>
> Kristi Kon
> Site Manager FM
> Phelps Dodge Mining Co.
> Phone: (602) 366-8099
> Fax: (602) 366-7329
> E-Mail: kkon@p...
>
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63543 From: Mike Chatfield <Mike@A...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: RE: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Oh man& That is really bad.
My thoughts and prayers are with you. Thank God everyone is ok.
- Mike
63544 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:51pm
Subject: RE: [FS] Tuffy Series 2 security console
Hi Andrew,
Can you email me a picture of it? What color is it?
Thanks,
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 11:24 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Tuffy Series 2 security console
Price: $125 obo
Contact: Andrew jpcrawleram@aol.com
Perfect condition 10'' wide. Fits cj's, and 87-90 Yj's. drink holders, storage tray, rubber floor mat, lockable weather resistant lid, and armrest.
Andrew
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63545 From: <Kilr650@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Uninsured Motorist coverage Was:Re: Re: Fw: Jeep
Uninsured motorist coverage is a bodily injury coverage. The Jeep cannot be repaired or replaced with that coverage. Now if Rick and his family were injured and the other driver had no insurance then uninsured motorist coverage could apply up to the limits purchased. Health insurance obviously would cover any injuries as well. To cover physical damage to the Jeep in the event the at fault party had no insurance one would need Comprehensive and/or Collision coverage.
Disclaimer: This is a basic explanation and you should contact your insurance agent regarding specifics to your own policy.
This is also not meant to flame the original poster. The way I interpreted the message was that the statement was incorrect since Rick and his family were not injured.
Eddie Nordstrom
Licensed Insurance Agent
63546 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
I've been told by several knowledgeable folks that a) GL-5 will damage the
syncros; and, b) DC has acknowledged that it speced GL-5 in either the
owner's manual or the FSM in error. You might need to do some research on
this. If the fluid had been changed at a dealer, they should have known
about this.
Not sure if you are subscribed to the Strokers List, but this was an
extended thread about three months ago; you might want to search through the
archives.
Hope this helps.
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'FredTJ'" <fredtj@c...>; <joe.west@s...>; "'Azvjc
(E-mail)'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 17 August, 2002 17:27
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Hi Fred,
>
> The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's manual for
my
> TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot, I'll be
> headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't want to
> replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the money to
> purchase an NV4500.
>
> I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500... thanks
for
> your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution... email
> arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > in the tranny,
> > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > are running a
> > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > cause the same
> > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > can fill you in
> > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > I think the DC
> > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > can't remember
> > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > sign that I
> > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > the syncros.
> > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong lube, and
> > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > lot of grinding,
> > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > when/if you find
> > out what it is for sure.
> > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > cost to repair
> > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > that's available
> > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> > > interesting problem.
> > >
> > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
> > second,
> > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > taken so long
> > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > wouldn't go into
> > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > built up a
> > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > try after try it
> > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > first and second
> > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > into first. I
> > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > difficulty... third and
> > > fourth are smooth.
> > >
> > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
> > difficulty
> > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > gear work fine.
> > >
> > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > something is wrong...
> > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > shift. I've never
> > had
> > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > happened virtually
> > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > I can't get it
> > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > work but roughly.
> > >
> > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > new... and I
> > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > AX-15 because
> > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > like a syncro
> > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > I would expect
> > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > smoothness into
> > a
> > > particular gear.
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > or perhaps we
> > have
> > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > some thoughts
> > as
> > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > my syncros
> > using
> > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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>
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63547 From: paparoach85251 <lespaparoach@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:01pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the
problem is as soon as you find out.
A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
Les
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> Hi Fred,
>
> The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
manual for my
> TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
I'll be
> headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
want to
> replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
money to
> purchase an NV4500.
>
> I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
thanks for
> your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > in the tranny,
> > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > are running a
> > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > cause the same
> > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > can fill you in
> > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > I think the DC
> > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > can't remember
> > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > sign that I
> > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > the syncros.
> > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
lube, and
> > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > lot of grinding,
> > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > when/if you find
> > out what it is for sure.
> > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > cost to repair
> > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > that's available
> > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> >
> >
> > Best,
> > Fred
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> >
> > > Hi Gang,
> > >
> > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
an
> > > interesting problem.
> > >
> > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
into
> > second,
> > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > taken so long
> > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > wouldn't go into
> > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > built up a
> > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > try after try it
> > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > first and second
> > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > into first. I
> > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > difficulty... third and
> > > fourth are smooth.
> > >
> > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
some
> > difficulty
> > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > gear work fine.
> > >
> > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > something is wrong...
> > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > shift. I've never
> > had
> > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > happened virtually
> > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > I can't get it
> > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > work but roughly.
> > >
> > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > new... and I
> > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > AX-15 because
> > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > like a syncro
> > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > I would expect
> > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > smoothness into
> > a
> > > particular gear.
> > >
> > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > or perhaps we
> > have
> > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > some thoughts
> > as
> > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > my syncros
> > using
> > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
63548 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:02pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
I just thought of one more thing. Could it be a problem with something in
the shifter itself? Maybe something broke (or wore beyond a tolerance) and
now the throw is not enough to get over enough for first gear and second.
Just a thought. I don't think the shifter itself is too hard to pull out.
Chris
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> Reply-To: <joe.west@s...>
> Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0700
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> interesting problem.
>
> I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into second,
> it would not go into second for anything.
> I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so long
> that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try it
> would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and second
> and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> fourth are smooth.
>
> All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some difficulty
> and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
>
> Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is wrong...
> things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never had
> any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get it
> into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but roughly.
>
> I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would expect
> that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness into a
> particular gear.
>
> I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we have
> some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some thoughts as
> to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros using
> synthetic transmission fluid.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
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>
>
63549 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:10pm
Subject: Re: Fw: jeep pic
WOW!!! I am so glad all are OK after that.
Chris
63550 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the
> problem is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything
> > > in the tranny,
> > > no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a
> > > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > > cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a
> > > lot of grinding,
> > > going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63551 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:29pm
Subject: I really needed a beer!
My donation for the month. Guess my quarter panel and cheezy bumper kept me from flopping. Diane tried to tell me it was a stupid line to pick,
By the way we got home to Heber safe and sound, and thanks to a great group again. Diane and I enjoyed it, Great job of tail gunning by Roy and Cricket in Stu's group. Stu, finally nice to met you. Your even better in person.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
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63552 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: Re: CK Run Sad in SC
Joe, It was great fun! The trail was worse than last year, which makes for great fun, and a cold beer on the other end! Sorry you had to miss it.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Kearney
To: Jeep Club
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 3:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] CK Run Sad in SC
I hope you all have fun and are safe. I am jealous because I am stuck here in South Carolina and I was going to be on the run but work gets in the way again.
Again, be safe and have fun. Oh take plenty of picture so I can see.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@JRKearney
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63553 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 7:46pm
Subject: Re: Rick Beers in Accident
Rick, Glad to hear you guys are ok. Sorry about your ride, and may God bless
and keep your family again.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.
----- Original Message -----
From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; Arizona XJ
<arizonaXJ@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:14 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Rick Beers in Accident
> On his way to the CK run today, Rick Beers was in a head on accident. A
> drunk driver came into his lane and hit them head on. Everyone is ok
> other than the normal bruises and pains from an accident of this
> magnitude. The Jeep is totaled and they had to cut his son out of the
> passenger seat as the majority of the impact was to the passenger side.
>
> Rick is extemely lucky that it was not worse than it was.
>
>
> --
> Leonard K. Pennock
>
> Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
> find that they very rarely lose or fail.
>
>
>
>
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>
>
63554 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe, I have had this problem... It could be a couple things... First thing
that comes to mind are indeed syncro's. It COULD also be your shift fork.
I dont run tranny fluid in my standard tranny... I run gear oil. Gear oil
is a lot thicker than tranny fluid... So there could have been a lot more
friction between the gears causing the syncro's to go out from warping. I
hope this helps you, cause I know youve helped me numerous times!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Hi Gang,
>
> On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> interesting problem.
>
> I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
second,
> it would not go into second for anything.
> I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so long
> that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try it
> would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and second
> and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> fourth are smooth.
>
> All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
difficulty
> and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
>
> Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is wrong...
> things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never
had
> any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get it
> into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but roughly.
>
> I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would expect
> that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness into
a
> particular gear.
>
> I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we
have
> some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some thoughts
as
> to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros
using
> synthetic transmission fluid.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63555 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: Fw: Jeep
Rick,
Whoa! Thats nasty. I heard that your family is ok. Is that correct?
I'd say the turquiose bus held up pretty well.
God Bless,
Scott K
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Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 5:05 PM
To: JEEP
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Jeep
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To: 'riknaz@msn.com'
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63556 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 8:52pm
Subject: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
All you have to do is remove all those little bolts on the shift plate,
release the shifter boot, and pull up on the stick... should slide right
out. Is the tranny leaking at all? Is it full? If you take the plug out
of the filler hole, you should be able to stick your finger in and feel the
fluid.... Also, you can drain your fluid and look for chunks of metal to
see if maybe there was some gear damage.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: <joe.west@s...>; "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> I just thought of one more thing. Could it be a problem with something in
> the shifter itself? Maybe something broke (or wore beyond a tolerance) and
> now the throw is not enough to get over enough for first gear and second.
>
> Just a thought. I don't think the shifter itself is too hard to pull out.
>
> Chris
>
> > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > Reply-To: <joe.west@s...>
> > Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2002 12:14:40 -0700
> > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> >
> > Hi Gang,
> >
> > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had an
> > interesting problem.
> >
> > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift into
second,
> > it would not go into second for anything.
> > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had taken so
long
> > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it wouldn't go into
> > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I built up a
> > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again... try after try
it
> > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into first and
second
> > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went into first. I
> > started out and it shifted into second with some difficulty... third and
> > fourth are smooth.
> >
> > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with some
difficulty
> > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth gear work fine.
> >
> > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that something is
wrong...
> > things just don't feel normal in the first and second shift. I've never
had
> > any indication of a problem before and this problem happened virtually
> > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next I can't get
it
> > into first or second... and now first and second seem to work but
roughly.
> >
> > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since new... and I
> > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an AX-15 because
> > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just like a syncro
> > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly... I would
expect
> > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift smoothness
into a
> > particular gear.
> >
> > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience or perhaps we
have
> > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer some
thoughts as
> > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed my syncros
using
> > synthetic transmission fluid.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
63557 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
This issue has come up on JU and AZVJC quite a few times since you have
owned your TJ. It's not well known except on these forums that there is
a typo in the owners manual. If you go down to the dealer they will tell
you to use GL3. I know you have a factory service manual and I'm almost
positive that the factory service manual says to use GL3 lube. I
believe you and I have discussed this in person a year and a half ago
and I'm pretty sure I warned you about it. I know Stu and I have
discussed this too.
Anyway, I wish you luck in your pursuits. I don't think it would be fair
for you to pursue your lawsuit since you frequent these forums and
should have known better. But that's just my opinion. You weren't
trolling for a freebie were you? You and I joked about that in your
driveway one day quite awhile back.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:31 PM
To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the problem
> is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything in the
> > > tranny, no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a
> > > GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic will
> > > cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a lot of
> > > grinding, going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
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63558 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 9:07pm
Subject: Re: I really needed a beer!
-Bill it was good to see you and Diane again. Cricket and I had a
good time, we are looking forward to coming up there this fall to see
you two.
Don't let John - "Hunter offroad" see that decal that you damaged.
Take care
see you later
Roy
-- In az_vjc@y..., "K7ANT" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> My donation for the month. Guess my quarter panel and cheezy bumper
kept me from flopping. Diane tried to tell me it was a stupid line to
pick,
> By the way we got home to Heber safe and sound, and thanks to a
great group again. Diane and I enjoyed it, Great job of tail gunning
by Roy and Cricket in Stu's group. Stu, finally nice to met you. Your
even better in person.
> Bill W
> "Antman"
> K7ANT
> Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
>
> (In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
63559 From: Scott Kruize <skruize@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 10:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
Please accept my apologies for the comments below. I crossed the line
between joking around and sounding serious. I never should have made
those last comments much less posted them to the group.
Regards,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 9:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Joe,
This issue has come up on JU and AZVJC quite a few times since you have
owned your TJ. It's not well known except on these forums that there is
a typo in the owners manual. If you go down to the dealer they will tell
you to use GL3. I know you have a factory service manual and I'm almost
positive that the factory service manual says to use GL3 lube. I
believe you and I have discussed this in person a year and a half ago
and I'm pretty sure I warned you about it. I know Stu and I have
discussed this too.
Anyway, I wish you luck in your pursuits. I don't think it would be fair
for you to pursue your lawsuit since you frequent these forums and
should have known better. But that's just my opinion. You weren't
trolling for a freebie were you? You and I joked about that in your
driveway one day quite awhile back.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:31 PM
To: paparoach85251; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
Mobile 1 ATF is either Dexron or Dexron II and is not what the TF999
requires. The TF999 (32RH), requires an ATF +3... If you want to run a
synthetic, Redline makes a ATF+3 spec synthetic.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "paparoach85251" <lespaparoach@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 7:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> Joe,
> Sorry to hear about your tranny problems. Let us know what the problem
> is as soon as you find out.
>
> A question for all you lube gurus out there...does this mean that I
> shouldnt be running Mobil 1 ATF in my TF999 auto?
>
> Les
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> >
> > The Mobile 1 synthetic I am using is GL-5 rated. The owner's
> manual for my
> > TJ says to use GL-5 lubricant so if indeed my syncros are shot,
> I'll be
> > headed off to Darner Chrysler next week to protest. If DC doesn't
> want to
> > replace my transmission, then I'll take them to court and use the
> money to
> > purchase an NV4500.
> >
> > I'm looking at a 5.61:1 first gear Dodge 23 spline 4wd NV4500...
> thanks for
> > your offer... I may take you up on it as a temporary solution...
> > arizonajeep@c... with your asking price.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 2:28 PM
> > > To: joe.west@s...; Azvjc (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > Joe, the use of synthetic, in itself, won't damage anything in the
> > > tranny, no more than running dino juice. This is assuming that you
> > > are running a GL-3 or GL-4 rated synthetic. A GL-5 rated synthetic
> > > will cause the same
> > > damage as a GL-5 dino juice lube will. The people at Redline
> > > can fill you in
> > > on exactly whats needed for the '98 AX-15 (and I believe '97.
> > > I think the DC
> > > fixed the problem with the syncros in '99 or '00 for sure). I
> > > can't remember
> > > for sure, but way back in a near dead brain cell, is a dusty
> > > sign that I
> > > think says that Mobil 1 is a GL-5.
> > > It's interesting that it happened so sudden, if in fact it is
> > > the syncros.
> > > They normally will just wear abnormally fast, with the wrong
> lube, and
> > > you'll know that they are going, as you'll start getting a lot of
> > > grinding, going into gear, that gets worse as time goes on.
> > > Anyway, I truely sorry to hear of your problem. Let me know
> > > when/if you find
> > > out what it is for sure.
> > > Bad timing, to try and push something, but, depending on the
> > > cost to repair
> > > yours, keep in mind that I do have a AX-15 out of my '98 TJ
> > > that's available
> > > for a small handful of loose coins ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > Fred
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> > > To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 12:14 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] AX-15 problems on my 98 TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Gang,
> > > >
> > > > On my way back from a meeting with Doug Ballard today... I had
> an
> > > > interesting problem.
> > > >
> > > > I started out in first gear as normal and when I went to shift
> into
> > > second,
> > > > it would not go into second for anything.
> > > > I tried to go back into first since the shift to second had
> > > taken so long
> > > > that I was plenty slow to go back into first... but it
> > > wouldn't go into
> > > > first either... so I went into third which worked. After I
> > > built up a
> > > > little speed, I tried to go into second and once again...
> > > try after try it
> > > > would not go into second. I stopped and tried to go into
> > > first and second
> > > > and finally, after playing with it for 30 seconds it went
> > > into first. I
> > > > started out and it shifted into second with some
> > > difficulty... third and
> > > > fourth are smooth.
> > > >
> > > > All the way home, I could get it into first and second with
> some
> > > difficulty
> > > > and sometimes multiple tries... third, fourth, and fifth
> > > gear work fine.
> > > >
> > > > Shifting into first and second... I can "feel" that
> > > something is wrong...
> > > > things just don't feel normal in the first and second
> > > shift. I've never
> > > had
> > > > any indication of a problem before and this problem
> > > happened virtually
> > > > instantly... one minute everything works fine and the next
> > > I can't get it
> > > > into first or second... and now first and second seem to
> > > work but roughly.
> > > >
> > > > I have used Synthetic mobile 1 in the transmission since
> > > new... and I
> > > > believe that there may be a problem using Synthetic in an
> > > AX-15 because
> > > > additives may ruin the syncros... this problem feels just
> > > like a syncro
> > > > problem, but I wouldn't expect syncros to fail instantly...
> > > I would expect
> > > > that a syncro failure would be a slow degradation in shift
> > > smoothness into
> > > a
> > > > particular gear.
> > > >
> > > > I'm curious if anyone has either had a similar experience
> > > or perhaps we
> > > have
> > > > some manual transmission experts who might be able to offer
> > > some thoughts
> > > as
> > > > to my problem. For now, I'll assume that I have destroyed
> > > my syncros
> > > using
> > > > synthetic transmission fluid.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Joe West
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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63560 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 6:44pm
Subject: Anniversary run today
Well friends, I just wanted to say that I had a great time up in CK today and the lunch was a success. Although I only had 50 people participate, it was a lot better than having zero and let me add, I want to thank all participants. I have very few photos posted of the run only because we really didn't have much time to take PICS, we didn't want to hold up the pack. It was a pleasure meeting many of the early birds today and I'm looking forward to next year. the only problem I ran into today was both my right rear and right front leaf springs collapsed, now I'm sittin at a lean. And Barry, if your reading this, you think you could help me get a couple of replacement 2 1/2 inch rancho leafs : ) ? TIA if you could. So, other than that, it was fun. Here is the link to the photos we did take. AZVJC Anniversary run pics
63561 From: Mike Hoyt <mike@v...>
Date: Sat Aug 17, 2002 11:17pm
Subject: Re: Nightmare on Deer Valley
Rick,
Sorry to hear about the accident, but pleased to hear you and yours were not seriously injured.
-Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: RICK BEER
To: JEEP
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2002 1:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Nightmare on Deer Valley
Just wanted to start off saying everyone is just fine & thanks for the prayers & the support
well what can I say the AZVJC lost a jeep but not a member or loved one
this morning @ 5 am or so me & my to boys Rj & Cj with their friend Tj was involved in a head on accident just east of 7th street & Deer Valley were the whoops are a drunk driver in my lane hit us as we crested the hill never had time to do or say anything just seen lights the lights out
My youngest son was pinned for awhile until rescue used the jaws of life to free his legs
no one suffered serious injury's just a few stitch's to the front & back off head
the other driver works in the states but is not a legal resident he was not wearing his seat belt
so he had some windshield for breakfast along with all the beer the cops also found some drugs in his car
the jeep is a total loss pics. soon to follow
THANKS RICK BEER
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