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63187 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:47am
Subject: RE: Re: ASTL whine.....
Did someone forget their medication, again?
j/k desertjeep, please don't call me out too! ;P
94xjoe
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63188 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:55am
Subject: [FS] Chrome Bumpers w/sidesteps
Price: $400.00 obo
Contact: Jason jcarey@wacoscaf.com
3" Chrome Tubular Bumpers with the chrome side steps, all in very good condition.
cell number if more convienent 602-725-5766
Jason Carey
63189 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
I want everyone to love one another now. just wanted to break the ice a bit, too much tention in here. we have a great weekend comming up.
63190 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
Gary,
You did more than just post your opinion. You told everyone to "shut
up" and you expressed disregard for not only the law but also for the
concerns of other club members to actively fight to improve the image
of OHV'ers.
-Roger
otohereyj wrote:
> What? You don't like it when I post my opinion? Bad attitude, vote me
> off the island, can't go wheelin' with Joey, and Barry why did you
> wait 10 years to buy a permit? Some of you are taking yourselves a
> tiny bit too serious.
> If I signed my e-mail what...? I'll see ya all in CK.
> Sincerely,
> OTOHEREYJ
63191 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Jon,
If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
have received a proper education from other club members.
But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail preference
that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
-Roger
sinclare_jon wrote:
> You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most irrelavant
> and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first, for a
> few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to death
> with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the point
> of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> longer.
>
> Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd ****.
> Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> usually informative to read and those individuals only post once, get
> there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all are,
> we won't get into that.)
>
> I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and viewed
> favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're opinion,
> (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character etc.,
> the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your best bet
> if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
>
> For example, this individual who has done CK for "years" without a
> permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> explaining to him why it is now more important than ever, to "get the
> permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason to
> ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and let's
> stop beating dead horses too!
>
> J.s.
63192 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: ASTL whine.....
Jayke,
If legality was the only factor, then I can agree with your
statement. However, it's more than just a legality. It's
an image. A reputation. A perception by the public and
by the government agencies.
It's also an insult to those who spend their time and effort
fighting for the cause.
-Roger
Jayke Thorpe wrote:
> Yes THE LAW IS THE LAW!!! If he doesn't get a
> permit....WHO CARES!?!?!?!?! If he gets caught, he
> will be paying the government alot more than it would
> cost for a permit. It is fine to deliver your concern
> to the individual. Here's what I am saying.....If you
> have an issue with this, and I am not saying that I
> don't, send it to him off list. Lately, this seems to
> be the majority of our posts.
63193 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:29pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
What's up with that?
-Roger
Roger Tomas wrote:
> Jon,
>
> If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
> need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> have received a proper education from other club members.
> But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
>
> I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
> the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail preference
> that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
>
> -Roger
>
> sinclare_jon wrote:
>
> > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most irrelavant
> > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first, for a
> > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to death
> > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the point
> > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > longer.
> >
> > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd ****.
> > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > usually informative to read and those individuals only post once, get
> > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all are,
> > we won't get into that.)
> >
> > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and viewed
> > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're opinion,
> > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character etc.,
> > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your best bet
> > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
> >
> > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years" without a
> > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever, to "get the
> > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason to
> > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and let's
> > stop beating dead horses too!
> >
> > J.s.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63194 From: Janice Allison <jallison@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
I agree absolutely. I'm a relatively new member and looking forward to
CK. This bickering is taking some of the thrill out of it already. :(
Jan
At 03:15 PM 8/14/02 -0400, chaton602@a... wrote:
>I want everyone to love one another now. just wanted to break the ice a
>bit, too much tention in here. we have a great weekend comming up.
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.
63195 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:51pm
Subject: FW: United rec. fee survey deadline extended
AZVJC......
Below is a web site with a survey put together by the United Four Wheel
Drive attorney........ she is 100% on OUR side and has spent countless
dedicated hours fighting for our cause. Please take a minute or two to
answer this survey.
This survey reflects on the nationwide push to make all/some recreational
areas a "fee" area. By hearing what you all feel will help Carla in her
directions when facing the legislature in Washington. When doing this
survey please do not simply say "no fee anywhere, anytime" just for the
principal of it. We will have, and actually do, a number of "fee areas"
across the country. At this time many of them are not directed at motorized
other than ATV's but this "idea" is on the forefront and Carla is looking at
some direction of how to head it off or at the least turn these areas
towards our benefit.
THANKS, Sandee
Subject: United rec. fee survey deadline extended
The deadline listed in the Voice for the survey for recreation fees has =
been extended from July 31, 2002 to September 13, 2002. Please =
encourage your friends and fellow wheelers to complete the survey if =
they haven't already, either on-line at the United website www.ufwda.org =
or in writing using the survey printed in the Voice.
Thanks
Carla
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63196 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: ASTL PERMIT Sandee Please Read
I will not be debating this on the forum any longer, I intend to
persue my points with the SLD and if necessary the State Leg. One
last time, I don't have a problem with paying for a permit, I don't
have a problem getting a permit, in fact I have strongly advised
everyone in my club to get one. I have a problem with the restrictive
nature of who is covered. If my position offends some, so be it. It
is my opinion, and I am entitled to air said opinion. If any one
wants to discuss this with me, feel free to do so by E-mail.
Gary Mac Laren
63197 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
Any suggestions for Lunch this Friday on the \/\/est side?
I'm an easy going guy... Really I am. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
63198 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: RE: \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
OH and permits not required. Libations optional.
And Gary you're invited too!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
Any suggestions for Lunch this Friday on the \/\/est side?
I'm an easy going guy... Really I am. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63199 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Sing along with me...
If Ya'll can stop fighting long enough... sing along with me:
(If you do not own a guitar, play your air-guitar)
Joe West
number = left hand finger X = string not played O = play open string thin string chord grid right
Left palm
2
1 | 3
| | | 4
T | | | |
| | | | |
\| | | | G
_ _O_O_ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_1_|_|_|_|
2_|_|_|_3_4
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| C
X_ _ _O_ _O
|_|_|_|_1_|
|_|_2_|_|_|
|_3_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| D
X_X_O_ _ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_1_|_2
|_|_|_|_3_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| Start
singing:
_ _ _ _ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
*_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
[ G ] Kumbya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ G ] ya
Kumbya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ D ] ya
Kumby [ G ] ya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ G ] ya
[ C ] Oh [ G ] Lord [ D ] Kumby [ G ] ya
2. Someone's crying Lord Kumbya... 3. Someone's praying Lord Kumbya...
63200 From: Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:23pm
Subject: 4 Wheelers Supply out of STL permits
Hello all
If you have waited until the last minute to renew or obtain your STL Permit (like me) and were planning to get one from 4 Wheelers Supply, I recommend calling them before you make the trip to make sure they have some. As of 12:30 today they were out. They are expecting more to be delivered "some time soon" but there is no set time for the delivery.
Len
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63201 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:25pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheelers Supply out of STL permits
I called last week and they didn't have any and they didn't know
when they were going to get some. I found they had 5 left at Driven
Auto Parts when I went and got mine Monday
Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> If you have waited until the last minute to renew or obtain your
STL Permit (like me) and were planning to get one from 4 Wheelers
Supply, I recommend calling them before you make the trip to make
sure they have some. As of 12:30 today they were out. They are
expecting more to be delivered "some time soon" but there is no set
time for the delivery.
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
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63202 From: sinclare_jon <sinclare_jon@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Not sure there Roger...
I don't really want to get into a debate about drinking beer and
trailing. Just because he drinks doesn't necessarily mean he
litters. Furthermore, we all know the dangers associated with
drinking and driving. I go with people that drink and it really
doesn't bother me, if they ruin anything, 9 out of 10 times it'll be
they're stuff. Plus as slow as we go...I choose to live with that
and not preach over and over.
You have to be patient with people that don't have a firm grasp of
the whole picture, weather it be law or whatnot. If you can show
them, explain to them in a way they'd understand, rather than butt
heads you'll go further. There's nothing more dangerous than someone
with misconstrued ideas sticking to their "guns" because they believe
they are right. You trying to "change" them only complicates the
situation and reaffirms in their mind that they are indeed right.
I read his response to meeting y'all at CK. That's cool. I'm not
implying he is not smart or anything like that so don't anyone go
getting aggrevated in that regard.
js
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
> stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
>
> What's up with that?
>
> -Roger
>
> Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
> > need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> > have received a proper education from other club members.
> > But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> > the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
> >
> > I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
> > the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail
preference
> > that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> > well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > sinclare_jon wrote:
> >
> > > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most
irrelavant
> > > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first,
for a
> > > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to
death
> > > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the
point
> > > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > > longer.
> > >
> > > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> > > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd
****.
> > > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > > usually informative to read and those individuals only post
once, get
> > > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all
are,
> > > we won't get into that.)
> > >
> > > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> > > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and
viewed
> > > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're
opinion,
> > > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> > > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character
etc.,
> > > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your
best bet
> > > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
> > >
> > > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years"
without a
> > > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> > > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever,
to "get the
> > > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> > > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason
to
> > > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and
let's
> > > stop beating dead horses too!
> > >
> > > J.s.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63203 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:52pm
Subject: brakes
Well I just got back from Just Brakes and he right up front wanted me to do the 98.99 because of the squeak. The soonest he could look at it would be tomarrow. I don't want to fork over the money if thats not what I need. Is there anyone near 115th and Indian School with any brake knowledge, that could at least take an educated guess?
TIA
94xjoe
63204 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:09am
Subject: conversions
Here is a cool site for converting almost anything...
www.onlinecoversions.com
63205 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:29am
Subject: Re: conversions
Oops. Try this one...
www.onlineconversion.com
63206 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: Pirctures of Martinez Canyon from 08/03/02
I took some pictures of some of the rigs, you can find them at
http://members.cox.net/off-road . - Jose
PS. web page is not much, I know so don't remind me :)
63207 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:47pm
Subject: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
63208 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: Re: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
I am bringing my Brother(12)...
Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
> about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
> them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling
might
> make it worth their while.
>
> If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant
ask
> them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
63209 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:57pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Ok Guys, Ive wheeled with Gary a few times before and he really is a
good guy. Yes he drinks, but he doesnt litter and he doesnt get
stupid drunk or anything. He is also a little "older"(no offense Gary)
LOL and set in his ways I am guessing. His post came off crass, but
Im sure when all is said and done he'll have a permit and be welcome
to run with Joey again;P
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "sinclare_jon" <sinclare_jon@y...> wrote:
> Not sure there Roger...
>
> I don't really want to get into a debate about drinking beer and
> trailing. Just because he drinks doesn't necessarily mean he
> litters. Furthermore, we all know the dangers associated with
> drinking and driving. I go with people that drink and it really
> doesn't bother me, if they ruin anything, 9 out of 10 times it'll
be
> they're stuff. Plus as slow as we go...I choose to live with that
> and not preach over and over.
>
> You have to be patient with people that don't have a firm grasp of
> the whole picture, weather it be law or whatnot. If you can show
> them, explain to them in a way they'd understand, rather than butt
> heads you'll go further. There's nothing more dangerous than
someone
> with misconstrued ideas sticking to their "guns" because they
believe
> they are right. You trying to "change" them only complicates the
> situation and reaffirms in their mind that they are indeed right.
>
> I read his response to meeting y'all at CK. That's cool. I'm not
> implying he is not smart or anything like that so don't anyone go
> getting aggrevated in that regard.
>
>
> js
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
> > stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Roger Tomas wrote:
> >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > If said individual would have indicated they don't understand
the
> > > need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> > > have received a proper education from other club members.
> > > But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> > > the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
> > >
> > > I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual.
By
> > > the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail
> preference
> > > that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> > > well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the
trail.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > sinclare_jon wrote:
> > >
> > > > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most
> irrelavant
> > > > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at
first,
> for a
> > > > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > > > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to
> death
> > > > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and
the
> point
> > > > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > > > longer.
> > > >
> > > > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly
researched
> > > > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various
odd
> ****.
> > > > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > > > usually informative to read and those individuals only post
> once, get
> > > > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they
all
> are,
> > > > we won't get into that.)
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right
to
> > > > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and
> viewed
> > > > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're
> opinion,
> > > > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a
direct
> > > > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character
> etc.,
> > > > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your
> best bet
> > > > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just
inconsequential.
> > > >
> > > > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years"
> without a
> > > > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe
someone,
> > > > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever,
> to "get the
> > > > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board
than
> > > > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no
reason
> to
> > > > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and
> let's
> > > > stop beating dead horses too!
> > > >
> > > > J.s.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63210 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:59pm
Subject: RE: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
I've been going up the back way to Crown King w/ my family as long as I can
remember (3 to 4 yo). I always loved the trip and getting in the pines and
seeing the old town, especially when I was younger. I say bring 'em.
I'll be bringing Dace(8) and Jaime(4).
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:48 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63211 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: RE: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
My son will be joining us he will be 6 on Sunday.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:48 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63187 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:47am
Subject: RE: Re: ASTL whine.....
Did someone forget their medication, again?
j/k desertjeep, please don't call me out too! ;P
94xjoe
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63188 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:55am
Subject: [FS] Chrome Bumpers w/sidesteps
Price: $400.00 obo
Contact: Jason jcarey@wacoscaf.com
3" Chrome Tubular Bumpers with the chrome side steps, all in very good condition.
cell number if more convienent 602-725-5766
Jason Carey
63189 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
I want everyone to love one another now. just wanted to break the ice a bit, too much tention in here. we have a great weekend comming up.
63190 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
Gary,
You did more than just post your opinion. You told everyone to "shut
up" and you expressed disregard for not only the law but also for the
concerns of other club members to actively fight to improve the image
of OHV'ers.
-Roger
otohereyj wrote:
> What? You don't like it when I post my opinion? Bad attitude, vote me
> off the island, can't go wheelin' with Joey, and Barry why did you
> wait 10 years to buy a permit? Some of you are taking yourselves a
> tiny bit too serious.
> If I signed my e-mail what...? I'll see ya all in CK.
> Sincerely,
> OTOHEREYJ
63191 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:22pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Jon,
If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
have received a proper education from other club members.
But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail preference
that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
-Roger
sinclare_jon wrote:
> You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most irrelavant
> and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first, for a
> few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to death
> with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the point
> of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> longer.
>
> Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd ****.
> Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> usually informative to read and those individuals only post once, get
> there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all are,
> we won't get into that.)
>
> I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and viewed
> favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're opinion,
> (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character etc.,
> the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your best bet
> if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
>
> For example, this individual who has done CK for "years" without a
> permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> explaining to him why it is now more important than ever, to "get the
> permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason to
> ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and let's
> stop beating dead horses too!
>
> J.s.
63192 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: ASTL whine.....
Jayke,
If legality was the only factor, then I can agree with your
statement. However, it's more than just a legality. It's
an image. A reputation. A perception by the public and
by the government agencies.
It's also an insult to those who spend their time and effort
fighting for the cause.
-Roger
Jayke Thorpe wrote:
> Yes THE LAW IS THE LAW!!! If he doesn't get a
> permit....WHO CARES!?!?!?!?! If he gets caught, he
> will be paying the government alot more than it would
> cost for a permit. It is fine to deliver your concern
> to the individual. Here's what I am saying.....If you
> have an issue with this, and I am not saying that I
> don't, send it to him off list. Lately, this seems to
> be the majority of our posts.
63193 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:29pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
What's up with that?
-Roger
Roger Tomas wrote:
> Jon,
>
> If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
> need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> have received a proper education from other club members.
> But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
>
> I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
> the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail preference
> that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
>
> -Roger
>
> sinclare_jon wrote:
>
> > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most irrelavant
> > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first, for a
> > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to death
> > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the point
> > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > longer.
> >
> > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd ****.
> > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > usually informative to read and those individuals only post once, get
> > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all are,
> > we won't get into that.)
> >
> > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and viewed
> > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're opinion,
> > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character etc.,
> > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your best bet
> > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
> >
> > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years" without a
> > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever, to "get the
> > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason to
> > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and let's
> > stop beating dead horses too!
> >
> > J.s.
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63194 From: Janice Allison <jallison@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Wa-a-a W-a-a-a
I agree absolutely. I'm a relatively new member and looking forward to
CK. This bickering is taking some of the thrill out of it already. :(
Jan
At 03:15 PM 8/14/02 -0400, chaton602@a... wrote:
>I want everyone to love one another now. just wanted to break the ice a
>bit, too much tention in here. we have a great weekend comming up.
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the
><http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>Yahoo! Terms of Service.
63195 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 0:51pm
Subject: FW: United rec. fee survey deadline extended
AZVJC......
Below is a web site with a survey put together by the United Four Wheel
Drive attorney........ she is 100% on OUR side and has spent countless
dedicated hours fighting for our cause. Please take a minute or two to
answer this survey.
This survey reflects on the nationwide push to make all/some recreational
areas a "fee" area. By hearing what you all feel will help Carla in her
directions when facing the legislature in Washington. When doing this
survey please do not simply say "no fee anywhere, anytime" just for the
principal of it. We will have, and actually do, a number of "fee areas"
across the country. At this time many of them are not directed at motorized
other than ATV's but this "idea" is on the forefront and Carla is looking at
some direction of how to head it off or at the least turn these areas
towards our benefit.
THANKS, Sandee
Subject: United rec. fee survey deadline extended
The deadline listed in the Voice for the survey for recreation fees has =
been extended from July 31, 2002 to September 13, 2002. Please =
encourage your friends and fellow wheelers to complete the survey if =
they haven't already, either on-line at the United website www.ufwda.org =
or in writing using the survey printed in the Voice.
Thanks
Carla
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63196 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: ASTL PERMIT Sandee Please Read
I will not be debating this on the forum any longer, I intend to
persue my points with the SLD and if necessary the State Leg. One
last time, I don't have a problem with paying for a permit, I don't
have a problem getting a permit, in fact I have strongly advised
everyone in my club to get one. I have a problem with the restrictive
nature of who is covered. If my position offends some, so be it. It
is my opinion, and I am entitled to air said opinion. If any one
wants to discuss this with me, feel free to do so by E-mail.
Gary Mac Laren
63197 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
Any suggestions for Lunch this Friday on the \/\/est side?
I'm an easy going guy... Really I am. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
63198 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: RE: \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
OH and permits not required. Libations optional.
And Gary you're invited too!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 1:12 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] \/\/est Side Lunch Friday?
Any suggestions for Lunch this Friday on the \/\/est side?
I'm an easy going guy... Really I am. ;)
Joey K
93YJ
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63199 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Sing along with me...
If Ya'll can stop fighting long enough... sing along with me:
(If you do not own a guitar, play your air-guitar)
Joe West
number = left hand finger X = string not played O = play open string thin string chord grid right
Left palm
2
1 | 3
| | | 4
T | | | |
| | | | |
\| | | | G
_ _O_O_ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_1_|_|_|_|
2_|_|_|_3_4
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| C
X_ _ _O_ _O
|_|_|_|_1_|
|_|_2_|_|_|
|_3_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| D
X_X_O_ _ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_1_|_2
|_|_|_|_3_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_| Start
singing:
_ _ _ _ _
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
*_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
|_|_|_|_|_|
[ G ] Kumbya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ G ] ya
Kumbya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ D ] ya
Kumby [ G ] ya my Lord [ C ] Kumby [ G ] ya
[ C ] Oh [ G ] Lord [ D ] Kumby [ G ] ya
2. Someone's crying Lord Kumbya... 3. Someone's praying Lord Kumbya...
63200 From: Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:23pm
Subject: 4 Wheelers Supply out of STL permits
Hello all
If you have waited until the last minute to renew or obtain your STL Permit (like me) and were planning to get one from 4 Wheelers Supply, I recommend calling them before you make the trip to make sure they have some. As of 12:30 today they were out. They are expecting more to be delivered "some time soon" but there is no set time for the delivery.
Len
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63201 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:25pm
Subject: Re: 4 Wheelers Supply out of STL permits
I called last week and they didn't have any and they didn't know
when they were going to get some. I found they had 5 left at Driven
Auto Parts when I went and got mine Monday
Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., Len Sullivan <kermitj10@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello all
> If you have waited until the last minute to renew or obtain your
STL Permit (like me) and were planning to get one from 4 Wheelers
Supply, I recommend calling them before you make the trip to make
sure they have some. As of 12:30 today they were out. They are
expecting more to be delivered "some time soon" but there is no set
time for the delivery.
> Len
>
>
>
>
>
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63202 From: sinclare_jon <sinclare_jon@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Not sure there Roger...
I don't really want to get into a debate about drinking beer and
trailing. Just because he drinks doesn't necessarily mean he
litters. Furthermore, we all know the dangers associated with
drinking and driving. I go with people that drink and it really
doesn't bother me, if they ruin anything, 9 out of 10 times it'll be
they're stuff. Plus as slow as we go...I choose to live with that
and not preach over and over.
You have to be patient with people that don't have a firm grasp of
the whole picture, weather it be law or whatnot. If you can show
them, explain to them in a way they'd understand, rather than butt
heads you'll go further. There's nothing more dangerous than someone
with misconstrued ideas sticking to their "guns" because they believe
they are right. You trying to "change" them only complicates the
situation and reaffirms in their mind that they are indeed right.
I read his response to meeting y'all at CK. That's cool. I'm not
implying he is not smart or anything like that so don't anyone go
getting aggrevated in that regard.
js
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
> stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
>
> What's up with that?
>
> -Roger
>
> Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> > Jon,
> >
> > If said individual would have indicated they don't understand the
> > need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> > have received a proper education from other club members.
> > But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> > the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
> >
> > I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual. By
> > the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail
preference
> > that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> > well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the trail.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > sinclare_jon wrote:
> >
> > > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most
irrelavant
> > > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at first,
for a
> > > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to
death
> > > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and the
point
> > > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > > longer.
> > >
> > > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly researched
> > > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various odd
****.
> > > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > > usually informative to read and those individuals only post
once, get
> > > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they all
are,
> > > we won't get into that.)
> > >
> > > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right to
> > > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and
viewed
> > > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're
opinion,
> > > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a direct
> > > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character
etc.,
> > > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your
best bet
> > > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just inconsequential.
> > >
> > > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years"
without a
> > > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe someone,
> > > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever,
to "get the
> > > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board than
> > > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no reason
to
> > > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and
let's
> > > stop beating dead horses too!
> > >
> > > J.s.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63203 From: Joey Martinez <joey@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 1:52pm
Subject: brakes
Well I just got back from Just Brakes and he right up front wanted me to do the 98.99 because of the squeak. The soonest he could look at it would be tomarrow. I don't want to fork over the money if thats not what I need. Is there anyone near 115th and Indian School with any brake knowledge, that could at least take an educated guess?
TIA
94xjoe
63204 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:09am
Subject: conversions
Here is a cool site for converting almost anything...
www.onlinecoversions.com
63205 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 10:29am
Subject: Re: conversions
Oops. Try this one...
www.onlineconversion.com
63206 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:34pm
Subject: Pirctures of Martinez Canyon from 08/03/02
I took some pictures of some of the rigs, you can find them at
http://members.cox.net/off-road . - Jose
PS. web page is not much, I know so don't remind me :)
63207 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:47pm
Subject: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
63208 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: Re: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
I am bringing my Brother(12)...
Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
> about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
> them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling
might
> make it worth their while.
>
> If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant
ask
> them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
63209 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:57pm
Subject: Re: YOU'RE ALL A BUNCH OF...........
Ok Guys, Ive wheeled with Gary a few times before and he really is a
good guy. Yes he drinks, but he doesnt litter and he doesnt get
stupid drunk or anything. He is also a little "older"(no offense Gary)
LOL and set in his ways I am guessing. His post came off crass, but
Im sure when all is said and done he'll have a permit and be welcome
to run with Joey again;P
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "sinclare_jon" <sinclare_jon@y...> wrote:
> Not sure there Roger...
>
> I don't really want to get into a debate about drinking beer and
> trailing. Just because he drinks doesn't necessarily mean he
> litters. Furthermore, we all know the dangers associated with
> drinking and driving. I go with people that drink and it really
> doesn't bother me, if they ruin anything, 9 out of 10 times it'll
be
> they're stuff. Plus as slow as we go...I choose to live with that
> and not preach over and over.
>
> You have to be patient with people that don't have a firm grasp of
> the whole picture, weather it be law or whatnot. If you can show
> them, explain to them in a way they'd understand, rather than butt
> heads you'll go further. There's nothing more dangerous than
someone
> with misconstrued ideas sticking to their "guns" because they
believe
> they are right. You trying to "change" them only complicates the
> situation and reaffirms in their mind that they are indeed right.
>
> I read his response to meeting y'all at CK. That's cool. I'm not
> implying he is not smart or anything like that so don't anyone go
> getting aggrevated in that regard.
>
>
> js
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > Interesting. My reply to "sinclare_jon" bounced with an error
> > stating the account has been disabled or discontinued.
> >
> > What's up with that?
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > Roger Tomas wrote:
> >
> > > Jon,
> > >
> > > If said individual would have indicated they don't understand
the
> > > need for the STL permit, then I am highly confident they would
> > > have received a proper education from other club members.
> > > But this individual was offensive and expressed disregard for
> > > the law and the concerns of those who fight for our sport.
> > >
> > > I think people have been plenty sensible with this individual.
By
> > > the way, this individual's member profile includes a trail
> preference
> > > that says "One that doesn't spill my beer". I'm thinking I very
> > > well may have picked up one or more of his empties off the
trail.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > sinclare_jon wrote:
> > >
> > > > You all cry, ***** and belly-ache about some of the most
> irrelavant
> > > > and petty things. They may be relavant or non petty at
first,
> for a
> > > > few posts, but after you all get done belaboring the topic and
> > > > interjecting non-sense remarks and litterally beating it to
> death
> > > > with poorly thought out comments, it is utterly useless and
the
> point
> > > > of the post, which very well could have been important, is no
> > > > longer.
> > > >
> > > > Few of you on here post well thought out, thoroughly
researched
> > > > responses or just happen to be knowledgeable about various
odd
> ****.
> > > > Some sort of Savant, that is great, it's fun to read. They are
> > > > usually informative to read and those individuals only post
> once, get
> > > > there point across and are done with it. (We know who they
all
> are,
> > > > we won't get into that.)
> > > >
> > > > I'm not saying opinions do not matter, everyone's has a right
to
> > > > their opinion. Of course, everyone want's to be liked and
> viewed
> > > > favorably yadda, yadda, yadda. Becareful when voicing you're
> opinion,
> > > > (which consequently, is done quite often here) that is a
direct
> > > > portrait of your knowledge, personality, eduction, character
> etc.,
> > > > the type of person you are. Silence could end up being your
> best bet
> > > > if what you have to say is bone-headed or just
inconsequential.
> > > >
> > > > For example, this individual who has done CK for "years"
> without a
> > > > permit. Instead of "voting him off the island" maybe
someone,
> > > > explaining to him why it is now more important than ever,
> to "get the
> > > > permit" would be more conducive to the masses on this board
than
> > > > making him out to be an "***" Old school mind set is no
reason
> to
> > > > ostracize someone from the run. Let's be sensible here, and
> let's
> > > > stop beating dead horses too!
> > > >
> > > > J.s.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63210 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 2:59pm
Subject: RE: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
I've been going up the back way to Crown King w/ my family as long as I can
remember (3 to 4 yo). I always loved the trip and getting in the pines and
seeing the old town, especially when I was younger. I say bring 'em.
I'll be bringing Dace(8) and Jaime(4).
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:48 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
63211 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 14, 2002 3:00pm
Subject: RE: Kids on the CK run on Saturday
My son will be joining us he will be 6 on Sunday.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 2:48 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Kids on the CK run on Saturday
Is anyone bringing their kids to this run?. I have mixed emotions
about it, mine are good troopers but it seems like a long day for
them, yet the memory of seeing about a houndred Jeeps wheeling might
make it worth their while.
If any of you are taking their kids, please let me know so I cant ask
them (my kids) what they want to do. Thanks.- Jose
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