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62811 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:14pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
WellI would think they would encourage and cleanup and/or education of their areas. But you never know.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Kyle,
Sounds interesting. It may be difficult to get the “site stewards” to divulge which cache locations are also ruin sites. That seems to be the biggest problem, from what I could gather. But I would certainly be willing to provide a lift for a land management official or a media person if it will help give people a more accurate understanding of what is happening. I’ve never gone caching so I’ll follow someone that has.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:48 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Since this effects both Geocaching and 4x4 groups I thought I would also put this on AZVJC list for your Ideas.
Ok, How about instead of fingerpointing and bashing. Why dont we schedule a
meeting and trip
to meet with the accusers and the media to view the trash they say is caused
by geocaching. And
I would volunteer to help with a cleanup of the areas affected. I a Member
of the Jeep club and
I also enjoy Geocaching. I personally would hate for either group to be
blamed for causing this
kind of damage.
I just moved to the Phoenix area in April and have yet to go Caching. My
twins love to go out
and 'Treasure Hunt' as they call it. We have hit several sites where we
moved from in Central
Florida. We always took garbage bag with us to clean up the mess in the
area. While in
Florida I placed a cache in an area that looked like a small garbage dump.
When I placed the
cache I took out several bags of garbage., and put a note on the web site
that the area had alot
of trash. Every time I went back to check on the cache the trash was quickly
being cleaned up.
When I left Florida I checked the cache area and It was almost like there
had never been trash
there at all. One reason I put the cache in that place was to help clean out
the area. And it worked
very well. It not only provided a good time for poeple searching it also
cleaned up the area dramatically.
I think we could better our image if we were to meet with the officials in
the area and help clean up
the area. It would NOT be a sign that we were guilty of the mess but a sign
that we really care about
this problem and dont want to have a bad picture of our Hobby.
I am not fimiliar with indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs area. I
probabally wouldnt know one
if I was standing in one. I would love to visit one and I definatelly would
not want to destroy and areas
of this type, and I think most others feel the same. I could be a good idea
to know for our group to
know what to look form so we stay away from them. We could schedule this
tripand have a BBQ to
promote the Hobby and help Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department
to educate others
about these types of areas.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it….not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now…the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So….my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes….both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element….the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws…..and as she said…the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want….divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, “United we stand, divided we fall”. I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
roadrunners
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62812 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: Meteor Shower this weekend.
I just realized this weekend would have been the best weekend for a camping trip.
Saturday night and Sunday night and a little tonight, is a meteor shower. I was just
outside smoking and saw a few. I might have to take a trip away from the city tomorrow
night or sunday night with the kids to watch. And one interested in meeting somewhere?
Kyle
62813 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:31pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted-35" TSL's
Price: Neg.
Contact: backroad@commspeed.net
I'm looking for at least 2 TSL Super Swampers with reasonable tread (I tore up 2). Must be TSL's 15-35X15.
Dennis Webster
62814 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:23am
Subject: [Tech] 1999 TJ - - 4" lift -
99 tj
if installing a 4" lift kit on do i NEED to get the lower swiveling adjustable control (radius) arms? or will the stock ones work?
also, if the 4" lift comes with a trans lower kit will there be any vibrations on a stock 99 tj? i can live with a little bit but if it is bad is there anyhting i can do besides buy a sye and cv driveshaft?
lastly, if there turns out to be some vibrations and i put bigger tires on w/o new gears will it enhance the vibrations?
i would greatly appreciate your advice,
BRYAN BERKLAND
Bryan Berkland
62815 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:43am
Subject: Re: 1" body lift
It's best to use that linkage adjustment plate. It'll prevent binding. Most all of the better kits include it. I've done two bl's, a 1" and a 2" and did them myself with no real problems. Both of them were the PA brand lifts (and they included the xfer linkage plate, along with radiator drop brackets, etc.).
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: mrbuckner@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 1" body lift
Has anyone installed a Teraflex 1" body lift on a 2001TJ? Teraflex includes an adjustment plate for the transfer case shifter. I have not seen this piece of hardware with any of the other body lifts. Is it necessary to install? Also, can one person install the body lift or is it a two person installation. Any information and/or tips will be appreciated.
Mike
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62816 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:28am
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Stu Olson is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: 6:30 AM
Where: Meet at the end of Castle hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
This is the NOT QUITE AS EARLY AS THE 6:00 AM CROWD trip.
Bring plenty of liquids, etc. Please, no alchohol while we are on the trail/enroute to Crown King (save it for there). If you can't live with that, pick a different time slot.
We'll do all of the options (except for the spot where Sparky likes to end-over his TJ). Of course, you can bypass the options if you wish.
Do everyone a favor....do a good check up on your vehicle BEFORE you get to the trail head. Break downs can certainly happen but don't start the trail with something you are already worried about, a problem you are aware of, etc.
Looking forward to a fun day with everyone!
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
62817 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:44am
Subject: FW: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
I noticed that some people signed up for the 6:30 AM slot are also signed up for other times as well. Now that we are a week off of the run, maybe you can make a decision as to which group you plan on running with, so we have a better idea of the real group sizes.
Since we (6:30) are about the same size as the early bird group, our two groups will be leaving at the posted times so that we dont bog down the groups behind us. It will probably happen anyways, but Hackle and I shall try to minimize the impact as little as possible.
PLEASE GET TO THE MEETING SPOT EARLY ENOUGH TO ALLOW YOURSELF SUFFICIENT TIME TO AIR DOWN, DISCO,.....WHAT EVER YOU ARE INCLINED TO DO. We will have a short drivers meeting before we start.
There is always the possibility of popping a radiator hose on these trips so be sure your hoses and ALL fluid levels are in good repair and topped off. There is no reason for everyone to bring 5 gallons of extra water for the radiator. (we could fill a small spa!) Given the number of folks signed up, we will do well if you just bring a gallon (or two) of DISTILLED water from the grocery store. If we dont need it for the radiator, youll have good drinking water for later. Concerning other fluids (motor oil, ATF, gear oil, brake, etc.), the same logic applies. If everyone carries a little bit, well have enough if one or two members should have a major failure and require a fresh fill (share and share alike on the trail).
The group will be using the CB to stay in touch. If you have a FRS radio, feel free to bring it along. If you want to chat to others on the trail with it, thats cool and works great too. Ill have an FRS radio along but dont anticipate simul-casting trail messages.
I think that is about it for now. Looking forward to the run and seeing new faces (and even some of the old ones too!) LOL
Timber Chucker!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:28 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Stu Olson is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: 6:30 AM
Where: Meet at the end of Castle hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
This is the NOT QUITE AS EARLY AS THE 6:00 AM CROWD trip.
Bring plenty of liquids, etc. Please, no alchohol while we are on the trail/enroute to Crown King (save it for there). If you can't live with that, pick a different time slot.
We'll do all of the options (except for the spot where Sparky likes to end-over his TJ). Of course, you can bypass the options if you wish.
Do everyone a favor....do a good check up on your vehicle BEFORE you get to the trail head. Break downs can certainly happen but don't start the trail with something you are already worried about, a problem you are aware of, etc.
Looking forward to a fun day with everyone!
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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62818 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:29am
Subject: Re: SYE
Olsen is the name he has his "other" set of credit cards under.
Stu, we just got through with the Vid. AWESOME! Gonna watch again
tonight. Thanks again.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
To: 'Mike Hoyt' <mike@v...>; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] SYE
> Not a problem, Mike....I had to drop the web master at
> www.trailquest.com an e-mail the other day for the same thing. She had
> a link to my site and spelled my name wrong. :( It ended up starting a
> series of e-mails with a stranger that turned out to be a pretty cool
> person. :)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Hoyt [mailto:mike@v...]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:53 PM
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club; my2001tj; Mike Hoyt
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SYE
>
> Gah and I butchered Stu's last name, meant to type Olson, sorry Stu :(
>
> -Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Hoyt" <mike@v...>
> To: "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "my2001tj"
> <my2001tj@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SYE
>
>
> > Dean,
> >
> > I asked the same thing when I went to do mine and James Towle kindly
> sent
> me
> > the link to his write-up on Stu Olsen's website:
> > http://www.stu-offroad.com/otherwriteups/sye/sye-1.htm
> >
> > I did mine on the bench and I think it was easier than if I had
> attempted
> to
> > lay on my back the entire time, IMO.
> >
> > Taking my time and doing it by myself it took ~2.5 hours. I cannot
> stress
> > enough to get a GOOD pair of snap ring pliers, if you have a cheap
> pair
> you
> > will get frustrated quickly. Just ask me how I know ;)
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "my2001tj" <my2001tj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:24 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SYE
> >
> >
> > > Doing a SYE tomarrow is ther any thing I might need besides the SYE
> > > and Drive shaft?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Dean
> > >
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62819 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:37am
Subject: [FS] complete yj fender flares
Price: best offer
Contact: Bret 480-231-4703
I have a set of fender flares off my 89yj. They are in pretty good shape. They are the style that came on the sahara. Please call me if interested. Fist decent offer can have.
Bret Holly
62820 From: santiphx <santi98tj@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:50am
Subject: Just a howdy
Just a wave from the Illinois side of the world. Hope the anniv run
is a blast, even if it rains/hails/etc again. Ok, off to pout about
not being able to run this one.
happy trails
felix
62821 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:26am
Subject: Re: CB Arrived- Need help with Tuning
A little out of the way. I am in the North west valley. 83rd and
deervalley... Maybe Bronco One?
Thanks, Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> Bring it up to CB Exchange on Main Street in Mesa and they will
tune
> it for you for 6 or 8 dollars (can't remember)
>
> - Eric
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...> wrote:
> > Allan,
> >
> > Close the adjustment all the way, then open it 4 & 3/4 turns.
That
> will be
> > very close until someone call help you tune it more precisely.
> >
> > John Visic
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:18 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] CB Arrived- Need help with Tuning
> >
> >
> > > I just received my Cobra 18WXSTII and my 4' Firestik II
antenna
> from
> > > Valco Electronics. www.valcoelectronics.com
> > > After I get it installed, Can someone help me Tune it???
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
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62822 From: cottage5360 <W3VET@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:07am
Subject: TJ Gearshift knob
I Have a '98 5-speed.
Does the gearshift knob unscrew?
I can't get it off.
TIA Sharyl
62823 From: cottage5360 <W3VET@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:10am
Subject: Air Bag fuses
What happens if I remove the airbag fuses on a 98 TJ?
Sharyl
62824 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 0:59pm
Subject: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Hehehe!
You all missed a pretty good time!
Saw allot of super cool cars.
Damn tag game!!
Stu tagged Withers, Withers tagged Anderson, Anderson (Squirrelly little
Sh@#$t bucket tagged me! Sharky was in there somewhere too I believe.....
Ohh well, we all more than made up for it by teasing Mike relentlessly, then
we unloaded it on an unsuspecting XJ.
The guy came up and introduced himself later, we questioned him about his
Jeep, then congratulated him on being "It"!!
(Sorry, as bad as I am with names, I can't remember his, I'm sure he'll
speak up though.)
The Jeeps get allot of attention at these shows. Seems the hot rod cruiser
crowd has allot of respect for modifying and building up something that you
can do more than cruise the boulevard with.
Had a lengthy conversation with Stu, while the "Kids" drank their "Silver
Sodas"...... They finally offered Stu one, I couldn't believe they tortured
him by making him wait that much. (Younger Generation, Baahh!)
Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me we
had no kids for the evening.
(Those of you with children can feel me on this).
The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after her
call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess that's
fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
62825 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Predator this morning
Right AWWNN!!
I've done this trail allot, but thanks to Scott McMillan for leading it.
It was good to get to wheel with him some more.
Had a buncha guys there, Rick Norman in his XJ making me wish I hadn't sold
mine, and playing Limp Bizkit on his stereo, a man after my own heart!
Scott Maiden was there in his YJ, I couldn't believe he took my line through
the squeeze. What an ANIMAL!
Hehehe.
Mike Chatfield showed us how to unload unnecessary weight on the first rock
ledge.
Of everyone, it was his day for bad luck. Later in the trail he blew a bead.
One of the guys in a YJ tore a sidewall and Scott McMillan patched it for
him. Damn TSL Radials!
This same guy was just gonna spectate, but he ended up running the trail
with us and did well!
I don't remember his name
There was also a guy there in a blue Jeep with "Big" fender flares....
(Don't remember his name either). Are we starting to see a trend here?
Too much tequila will do this to you.......
Anyway, thanks allot for a good run guys.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
62826 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: HELP! wrong oil pan rear seal????
I have been to Checker, Auto Zone, and Napa. From all of them the oil pan gasket set is not quite right. The cork side gaskets and front rubber seal are right but the rear rubber pan seal isn't. The front seal is flat on both sides like it should be but the rear seal is pointed on the bottom like it is supposed to go into a V shaped groove in the rear of the pan. My pan is flat where this seal goes. The seal that came out is flat. Am I missing something here or does everyone have the wrong seal in the pan gasket kits?
Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT
360 .030 over,TH400, part time kit,
A/C, 3" lift, 33x12.5 AT'S
Gilbert, Arizona
62827 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
You only get to do it every couple weeks? No wonder you bolted so quick.
:-)
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
>
> Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me we
> had no kids for the evening.
> (Those of you with children can feel me on this).
> The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after her
> call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess that's
> fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
> Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
>
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> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
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62828 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Predator this morning
Yeah, I had a great time. It was good meeting some new people (and
Jeeps, Scotts Tonka Jeep is Sweet:P) Oh, and I couldnt believe I
went through your line either;P I just figured, "What more can I hurt
on that side?"
By the way, the guy with the Blue Jeep with big flares is Russel
Gevarter, and that is what remains of a Jeep Renegade.
Lookin' forward to wheelin' with you again Bill.
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Right AWWNN!!
> I've done this trail allot, but thanks to Scott McMillan for
leading it.
> It was good to get to wheel with him some more.
> Had a buncha guys there, Rick Norman in his XJ making me wish I
hadn't sold
> mine, and playing Limp Bizkit on his stereo, a man after my own
heart!
> Scott Maiden was there in his YJ, I couldn't believe he took my
line through
> the squeeze. What an ANIMAL!
>
> Hehehe.
> Mike Chatfield showed us how to unload unnecessary weight on the
first rock
> ledge.
> Of everyone, it was his day for bad luck. Later in the trail he
blew a bead.
>
> One of the guys in a YJ tore a sidewall and Scott McMillan patched
it for
> him. Damn TSL Radials!
> This same guy was just gonna spectate, but he ended up running the
trail
> with us and did well!
> I don't remember his name
> There was also a guy there in a blue Jeep with "Big" fender
flares....
> (Don't remember his name either). Are we starting to see a trend
here?
> Too much tequila will do this to you.......
>
> Anyway, thanks allot for a good run guys.
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
62829 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Nice catch!
It never dawned on me.....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
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To: "1" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
> You only get to do it every couple weeks? No wonder you bolted so quick.
>
> :-)
>
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
> >
> > Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me
we
> > had no kids for the evening.
> > (Those of you with children can feel me on this).
> > The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after
her
> > call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess
that's
> > fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
> > Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
> >
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62830 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: Re: [AZ_FSJA] HELP! wrong oil pan rear seal????
I don't understand how they can not get it right. I just went through
two sets (one from Auto Zone and the other from NAPA) and they were both
correct except the NAPA one split during installation and was leaking so
we redid it with the Auto Zone set. BTW, NAPA was a Victor set and Auto
Zone was Felpro.
Sorry I can't be of more help Tom. I just haven't ran into this before.
Gary Holmes
TRobertsRN wrote:
>I have been to Checker, Auto Zone, and Napa. From all of them the oil pan gasket set is not quite right. The cork side gaskets and front rubber seal are right but the rear rubber pan seal isn't. The front seal is flat on both sides like it should be but the rear seal is pointed on the bottom like it is supposed to go into a V shaped groove in the rear of the pan. My pan is flat where this seal goes. The seal that came out is flat. Am I missing something here or does everyone have the wrong seal in the pan gasket kits?
>
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>Thomas Roberts
>78 Cherokee WT
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62831 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:05pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jim Florence is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: Many trip wiil be scheduled
Where: Meet at the end of Castle Hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: All day
CB Channel: 4
This is the AZVCJ annual anniversary run to Crown King come join the fun. Last year we had about 100 Jeeps go on the trip. I will set things up with Crown King so they are prepared.
Anthony Celaya will be doing Lunch "The final decision for lunch is: (WARM) BBQ beef sandwich , coleslaw, pasta and soda for the price of $5.50. The half price for the collection is now $2.75, the remaining $2.75 will be collected at the register of the Switchback when we eat. Anthony made a mistake by saying the price was $5.00, and I'm sorry for the change, but I promise the $5.50 price will be the set price. so for those who want to participate in this lunch that Camille is putting together for us, all she's asking is for half of the cost per plate, per person so she could begin preparing and getting supplies. Anthony will be taking the collection to Crown King on the 11th of August but will start collecting on the 9th and 10th.
on the 9th, Anthony will be at the chilies parking lot on the s/e corner of Mill and University from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m..
on the 10th, He will also be on the s/w corner of Thomas and 75th Ave behind Olive Garden (Desert Sky Mall area) at 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m..
if you would like to mail it to Anthony Celaya, his address is on the VJC website under members (be sure to write your name and your guest name so Anthony can put you on the list). if you have any questions, feel free to contact Anthony at 602-438-0468. TIA
.
Sign up on this run if you plan to attend the AzVJC Anniversary Party in Crown King.
Then sign up on one of the trips to Crown King!
We need several more trip leaders at different times. I need everyone to sign up on this page so we have a count. Each trip leader should post the trip and the time they plan on running it please sign up on this page and the trip leaders page you plan on making. Thanks Hackle.
PLEASE have your State Recreation Permit. I know there are a large number
of AZVJC that already have permits but with the Land Dept "bending to your
requests to reopen STL's early......... please respect that by "wheel'n
legally".
Sandee has State Rec Permits (east valley)
4-Wheeler Supply on 35th street &; Washington
Driven Auto Parts on 35th Avenue, south of Van Buren
State Land Dept. at 1616 W. Adams
Public Lands Information Center at 222 N. Central, Phx
$15.00 per year for an individual (cannot be transfered and is for purchaser
ONLY)
$20.00 per year for a family (IMMEDIATE FAMILY ONLY..... purchaser, spouse &;
minor children)
This allows acces to 9.8 million acres of State Trust Land in
Arizona........ make that 9.7....... there are a few small pieces of STL
closed due to urban sprawl and/or EPA directives.
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
62832 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:36pm
Subject: RE: TJ Gearshift knob
Pry the plastic cover (with the shift pattern on it) off and underneath you
will find a bolt.
Joe West
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> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Gearshift knob
>
>
> I Have a '98 5-speed.
> Does the gearshift knob unscrew?
> I can't get it off.
> TIA Sharyl
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62833 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:43pm
Subject: [OT] Concealed Carry (CCW) Class at my house on August 24th and 25th.
Hi Gang,
Tom LaFrance, one of our members and a licensed Concealed Carry Instructor will be teaching a concealed carry class at my home on August 24th and 25th.
The class will be 8 hours on Saturday and 8 hours on Sunday. If you are interested in taking the class, the cost is $90.
Joyce (my wife) is taking the class and I figured that since I already have a classroom in my house (for SCUBA) that we might as well hold the class at my house.
We have 3 slots left... if you are interested, please email me OFF LIST.
Joe West
62834 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:19pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Bill,
That's great! As long as you can get it every few weeks, you're
doing well!!! LOL! Ha ha ha ha ha....
In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and
reminded me we had no kids for the evening. Anyway, I'll probably do
it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
62835 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:21pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Woodpecker (Upper) - Saturday, August 10, 2002
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Saturday, August 10, 2002 across Woodpecker (Upper)
ok- it was HOT so that's my excuse for the lack of names on the report, although the little ****er spaniel belonging to larry- that's BUTTERSCOTCH! one cool wheelin dog.
we all hooked up and hit woodpecker. i got wedged in the first obstacle and had to hi-lift out. what a way to start out. thanks to all for the help- good teamwork. only two of us attempted and beat the firehole- larry greene and jeff franz. good job guys and good spotting by others. we hit all the other tough spots with little or none of the easier bypasses. everyone was "in-tune". there were no breakdowns. good driving and equiptment.
there were about 8 of us started out and 2 CJ's hooked up at the beginning of woodpecker. they both made it.
did i mention it was HOT? we bailed after woodpecker. all but scott grigsby and eddie nordstrom called it a day. they headed for more wheelin- something about axle alley.......
did you guys make it out ok?
another fine run of ROCK CRAWLIN
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
62811 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:14pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
WellI would think they would encourage and cleanup and/or education of their areas. But you never know.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:41 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Kyle,
Sounds interesting. It may be difficult to get the “site stewards” to divulge which cache locations are also ruin sites. That seems to be the biggest problem, from what I could gather. But I would certainly be willing to provide a lift for a land management official or a media person if it will help give people a more accurate understanding of what is happening. I’ve never gone caching so I’ll follow someone that has.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 10:48 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Since this effects both Geocaching and 4x4 groups I thought I would also put this on AZVJC list for your Ideas.
Ok, How about instead of fingerpointing and bashing. Why dont we schedule a
meeting and trip
to meet with the accusers and the media to view the trash they say is caused
by geocaching. And
I would volunteer to help with a cleanup of the areas affected. I a Member
of the Jeep club and
I also enjoy Geocaching. I personally would hate for either group to be
blamed for causing this
kind of damage.
I just moved to the Phoenix area in April and have yet to go Caching. My
twins love to go out
and 'Treasure Hunt' as they call it. We have hit several sites where we
moved from in Central
Florida. We always took garbage bag with us to clean up the mess in the
area. While in
Florida I placed a cache in an area that looked like a small garbage dump.
When I placed the
cache I took out several bags of garbage., and put a note on the web site
that the area had alot
of trash. Every time I went back to check on the cache the trash was quickly
being cleaned up.
When I left Florida I checked the cache area and It was almost like there
had never been trash
there at all. One reason I put the cache in that place was to help clean out
the area. And it worked
very well. It not only provided a good time for poeple searching it also
cleaned up the area dramatically.
I think we could better our image if we were to meet with the officials in
the area and help clean up
the area. It would NOT be a sign that we were guilty of the mess but a sign
that we really care about
this problem and dont want to have a bad picture of our Hobby.
I am not fimiliar with indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs area. I
probabally wouldnt know one
if I was standing in one. I would love to visit one and I definatelly would
not want to destroy and areas
of this type, and I think most others feel the same. I could be a good idea
to know for our group to
know what to look form so we stay away from them. We could schedule this
tripand have a BBQ to
promote the Hobby and help Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department
to educate others
about these types of areas.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it….not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now…the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So….my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes….both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element….the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws…..and as she said…the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want….divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, “United we stand, divided we fall”. I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
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62812 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: Meteor Shower this weekend.
I just realized this weekend would have been the best weekend for a camping trip.
Saturday night and Sunday night and a little tonight, is a meteor shower. I was just
outside smoking and saw a few. I might have to take a trip away from the city tomorrow
night or sunday night with the kids to watch. And one interested in meeting somewhere?
Kyle
62813 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:31pm
Subject: [FS] Wanted-35" TSL's
Price: Neg.
Contact: backroad@commspeed.net
I'm looking for at least 2 TSL Super Swampers with reasonable tread (I tore up 2). Must be TSL's 15-35X15.
Dennis Webster
62814 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:23am
Subject: [Tech] 1999 TJ - - 4" lift -
99 tj
if installing a 4" lift kit on do i NEED to get the lower swiveling adjustable control (radius) arms? or will the stock ones work?
also, if the 4" lift comes with a trans lower kit will there be any vibrations on a stock 99 tj? i can live with a little bit but if it is bad is there anyhting i can do besides buy a sye and cv driveshaft?
lastly, if there turns out to be some vibrations and i put bigger tires on w/o new gears will it enhance the vibrations?
i would greatly appreciate your advice,
BRYAN BERKLAND
Bryan Berkland
62815 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 6:43am
Subject: Re: 1" body lift
It's best to use that linkage adjustment plate. It'll prevent binding. Most all of the better kits include it. I've done two bl's, a 1" and a 2" and did them myself with no real problems. Both of them were the PA brand lifts (and they included the xfer linkage plate, along with radiator drop brackets, etc.).
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: mrbuckner@aol.com
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 6:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 1" body lift
Has anyone installed a Teraflex 1" body lift on a 2001TJ? Teraflex includes an adjustment plate for the transfer case shifter. I have not seen this piece of hardware with any of the other body lifts. Is it necessary to install? Also, can one person install the body lift or is it a two person installation. Any information and/or tips will be appreciated.
Mike
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62816 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:28am
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Stu Olson is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: 6:30 AM
Where: Meet at the end of Castle hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
This is the NOT QUITE AS EARLY AS THE 6:00 AM CROWD trip.
Bring plenty of liquids, etc. Please, no alchohol while we are on the trail/enroute to Crown King (save it for there). If you can't live with that, pick a different time slot.
We'll do all of the options (except for the spot where Sparky likes to end-over his TJ). Of course, you can bypass the options if you wish.
Do everyone a favor....do a good check up on your vehicle BEFORE you get to the trail head. Break downs can certainly happen but don't start the trail with something you are already worried about, a problem you are aware of, etc.
Looking forward to a fun day with everyone!
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
62817 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 7:44am
Subject: FW: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
I noticed that some people signed up for the 6:30 AM slot are also signed up for other times as well. Now that we are a week off of the run, maybe you can make a decision as to which group you plan on running with, so we have a better idea of the real group sizes.
Since we (6:30) are about the same size as the early bird group, our two groups will be leaving at the posted times so that we dont bog down the groups behind us. It will probably happen anyways, but Hackle and I shall try to minimize the impact as little as possible.
PLEASE GET TO THE MEETING SPOT EARLY ENOUGH TO ALLOW YOURSELF SUFFICIENT TIME TO AIR DOWN, DISCO,.....WHAT EVER YOU ARE INCLINED TO DO. We will have a short drivers meeting before we start.
There is always the possibility of popping a radiator hose on these trips so be sure your hoses and ALL fluid levels are in good repair and topped off. There is no reason for everyone to bring 5 gallons of extra water for the radiator. (we could fill a small spa!) Given the number of folks signed up, we will do well if you just bring a gallon (or two) of DISTILLED water from the grocery store. If we dont need it for the radiator, youll have good drinking water for later. Concerning other fluids (motor oil, ATF, gear oil, brake, etc.), the same logic applies. If everyone carries a little bit, well have enough if one or two members should have a major failure and require a fresh fill (share and share alike on the trail).
The group will be using the CB to stay in touch. If you have a FRS radio, feel free to bring it along. If you want to chat to others on the trail with it, thats cool and works great too. Ill have an FRS radio along but dont anticipate simul-casting trail messages.
I think that is about it for now. Looking forward to the run and seeing new faces (and even some of the old ones too!) LOL
Timber Chucker!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
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Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 2:28 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Stu Olson is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: 6:30 AM
Where: Meet at the end of Castle hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: all day
CB Channel: 4
This is the NOT QUITE AS EARLY AS THE 6:00 AM CROWD trip.
Bring plenty of liquids, etc. Please, no alchohol while we are on the trail/enroute to Crown King (save it for there). If you can't live with that, pick a different time slot.
We'll do all of the options (except for the spot where Sparky likes to end-over his TJ). Of course, you can bypass the options if you wish.
Do everyone a favor....do a good check up on your vehicle BEFORE you get to the trail head. Break downs can certainly happen but don't start the trail with something you are already worried about, a problem you are aware of, etc.
Looking forward to a fun day with everyone!
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
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62818 From: K7ANT <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:29am
Subject: Re: SYE
Olsen is the name he has his "other" set of credit cards under.
Stu, we just got through with the Vid. AWESOME! Gonna watch again
tonight. Thanks again.
Bill W
"Antman"
K7ANT
Up on the Mogollon Rim in God and Four Wheelers' Country.
(In Heber/Overgaard with the Crispy Critters.)
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
To: 'Mike Hoyt' <mike@v...>; 'Arizona Virtual Jeep Club'
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:07 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] SYE
> Not a problem, Mike....I had to drop the web master at
> www.trailquest.com an e-mail the other day for the same thing. She had
> a link to my site and spelled my name wrong. :( It ended up starting a
> series of e-mails with a stranger that turned out to be a pretty cool
> person. :)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Hoyt [mailto:mike@v...]
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:53 PM
> To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club; my2001tj; Mike Hoyt
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SYE
>
> Gah and I butchered Stu's last name, meant to type Olson, sorry Stu :(
>
> -Mike
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Hoyt" <mike@v...>
> To: "Arizona Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "my2001tj"
> <my2001tj@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] SYE
>
>
> > Dean,
> >
> > I asked the same thing when I went to do mine and James Towle kindly
> sent
> me
> > the link to his write-up on Stu Olsen's website:
> > http://www.stu-offroad.com/otherwriteups/sye/sye-1.htm
> >
> > I did mine on the bench and I think it was easier than if I had
> attempted
> to
> > lay on my back the entire time, IMO.
> >
> > Taking my time and doing it by myself it took ~2.5 hours. I cannot
> stress
> > enough to get a GOOD pair of snap ring pliers, if you have a cheap
> pair
> you
> > will get frustrated quickly. Just ask me how I know ;)
> >
> > -Mike
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "my2001tj" <my2001tj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 10:24 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] SYE
> >
> >
> > > Doing a SYE tomarrow is ther any thing I might need besides the SYE
> > > and Drive shaft?
> > >
> > >
> > > Thank you Dean
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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62819 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:37am
Subject: [FS] complete yj fender flares
Price: best offer
Contact: Bret 480-231-4703
I have a set of fender flares off my 89yj. They are in pretty good shape. They are the style that came on the sahara. Please call me if interested. Fist decent offer can have.
Bret Holly
62820 From: santiphx <santi98tj@i...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 8:50am
Subject: Just a howdy
Just a wave from the Illinois side of the world. Hope the anniv run
is a blast, even if it rains/hails/etc again. Ok, off to pout about
not being able to run this one.
happy trails
felix
62821 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 9:26am
Subject: Re: CB Arrived- Need help with Tuning
A little out of the way. I am in the North west valley. 83rd and
deervalley... Maybe Bronco One?
Thanks, Allan
--- In az_vjc@y..., "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...> wrote:
> Bring it up to CB Exchange on Main Street in Mesa and they will
tune
> it for you for 6 or 8 dollars (can't remember)
>
> - Eric
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "J & P Visic" <jpvisic@n...> wrote:
> > Allan,
> >
> > Close the adjustment all the way, then open it 4 & 3/4 turns.
That
> will be
> > very close until someone call help you tune it more precisely.
> >
> > John Visic
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 8:18 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] CB Arrived- Need help with Tuning
> >
> >
> > > I just received my Cobra 18WXSTII and my 4' Firestik II
antenna
> from
> > > Valco Electronics. www.valcoelectronics.com
> > > After I get it installed, Can someone help me Tune it???
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Allan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> > >
62822 From: cottage5360 <W3VET@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:07am
Subject: TJ Gearshift knob
I Have a '98 5-speed.
Does the gearshift knob unscrew?
I can't get it off.
TIA Sharyl
62823 From: cottage5360 <W3VET@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 11:10am
Subject: Air Bag fuses
What happens if I remove the airbag fuses on a 98 TJ?
Sharyl
62824 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 0:59pm
Subject: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Hehehe!
You all missed a pretty good time!
Saw allot of super cool cars.
Damn tag game!!
Stu tagged Withers, Withers tagged Anderson, Anderson (Squirrelly little
Sh@#$t bucket tagged me! Sharky was in there somewhere too I believe.....
Ohh well, we all more than made up for it by teasing Mike relentlessly, then
we unloaded it on an unsuspecting XJ.
The guy came up and introduced himself later, we questioned him about his
Jeep, then congratulated him on being "It"!!
(Sorry, as bad as I am with names, I can't remember his, I'm sure he'll
speak up though.)
The Jeeps get allot of attention at these shows. Seems the hot rod cruiser
crowd has allot of respect for modifying and building up something that you
can do more than cruise the boulevard with.
Had a lengthy conversation with Stu, while the "Kids" drank their "Silver
Sodas"...... They finally offered Stu one, I couldn't believe they tortured
him by making him wait that much. (Younger Generation, Baahh!)
Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me we
had no kids for the evening.
(Those of you with children can feel me on this).
The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after her
call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess that's
fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
62825 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Predator this morning
Right AWWNN!!
I've done this trail allot, but thanks to Scott McMillan for leading it.
It was good to get to wheel with him some more.
Had a buncha guys there, Rick Norman in his XJ making me wish I hadn't sold
mine, and playing Limp Bizkit on his stereo, a man after my own heart!
Scott Maiden was there in his YJ, I couldn't believe he took my line through
the squeeze. What an ANIMAL!
Hehehe.
Mike Chatfield showed us how to unload unnecessary weight on the first rock
ledge.
Of everyone, it was his day for bad luck. Later in the trail he blew a bead.
One of the guys in a YJ tore a sidewall and Scott McMillan patched it for
him. Damn TSL Radials!
This same guy was just gonna spectate, but he ended up running the trail
with us and did well!
I don't remember his name
There was also a guy there in a blue Jeep with "Big" fender flares....
(Don't remember his name either). Are we starting to see a trend here?
Too much tequila will do this to you.......
Anyway, thanks allot for a good run guys.
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
62826 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:10pm
Subject: HELP! wrong oil pan rear seal????
I have been to Checker, Auto Zone, and Napa. From all of them the oil pan gasket set is not quite right. The cork side gaskets and front rubber seal are right but the rear rubber pan seal isn't. The front seal is flat on both sides like it should be but the rear seal is pointed on the bottom like it is supposed to go into a V shaped groove in the rear of the pan. My pan is flat where this seal goes. The seal that came out is flat. Am I missing something here or does everyone have the wrong seal in the pan gasket kits?
Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT
360 .030 over,TH400, part time kit,
A/C, 3" lift, 33x12.5 AT'S
Gilbert, Arizona
62827 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:20pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
You only get to do it every couple weeks? No wonder you bolted so quick.
:-)
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> Subject: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
>
> Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me we
> had no kids for the evening.
> (Those of you with children can feel me on this).
> The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after her
> call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess that's
> fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
> Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
>
>
>
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62828 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Re: Predator this morning
Yeah, I had a great time. It was good meeting some new people (and
Jeeps, Scotts Tonka Jeep is Sweet:P) Oh, and I couldnt believe I
went through your line either;P I just figured, "What more can I hurt
on that side?"
By the way, the guy with the Blue Jeep with big flares is Russel
Gevarter, and that is what remains of a Jeep Renegade.
Lookin' forward to wheelin' with you again Bill.
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Right AWWNN!!
> I've done this trail allot, but thanks to Scott McMillan for
leading it.
> It was good to get to wheel with him some more.
> Had a buncha guys there, Rick Norman in his XJ making me wish I
hadn't sold
> mine, and playing Limp Bizkit on his stereo, a man after my own
heart!
> Scott Maiden was there in his YJ, I couldn't believe he took my
line through
> the squeeze. What an ANIMAL!
>
> Hehehe.
> Mike Chatfield showed us how to unload unnecessary weight on the
first rock
> ledge.
> Of everyone, it was his day for bad luck. Later in the trail he
blew a bead.
>
> One of the guys in a YJ tore a sidewall and Scott McMillan patched
it for
> him. Damn TSL Radials!
> This same guy was just gonna spectate, but he ended up running the
trail
> with us and did well!
> I don't remember his name
> There was also a guy there in a blue Jeep with "Big" fender
flares....
> (Don't remember his name either). Are we starting to see a trend
here?
> Too much tequila will do this to you.......
>
> Anyway, thanks allot for a good run guys.
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
62829 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:43pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Nice catch!
It never dawned on me.....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: "1" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
> You only get to do it every couple weeks? No wonder you bolted so quick.
>
> :-)
>
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Friday night Car/Jeep show
> >
> > Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and reminded me
we
> > had no kids for the evening.
> > (Those of you with children can feel me on this).
> > The guys thought it was pretty big funny that I bolted outta there after
her
> > call......as far as they are concerned, I'm super Whooped.... I guess
that's
> > fine by me, I know what's REALLY important in life!
> > Anyway, I'll probably do it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> >
> >
> >
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62830 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: Re: [AZ_FSJA] HELP! wrong oil pan rear seal????
I don't understand how they can not get it right. I just went through
two sets (one from Auto Zone and the other from NAPA) and they were both
correct except the NAPA one split during installation and was leaking so
we redid it with the Auto Zone set. BTW, NAPA was a Victor set and Auto
Zone was Felpro.
Sorry I can't be of more help Tom. I just haven't ran into this before.
Gary Holmes
TRobertsRN wrote:
>I have been to Checker, Auto Zone, and Napa. From all of them the oil pan gasket set is not quite right. The cork side gaskets and front rubber seal are right but the rear rubber pan seal isn't. The front seal is flat on both sides like it should be but the rear seal is pointed on the bottom like it is supposed to go into a V shaped groove in the rear of the pan. My pan is flat where this seal goes. The seal that came out is flat. Am I missing something here or does everyone have the wrong seal in the pan gasket kits?
>
>
>Thomas Roberts
>78 Cherokee WT
>360 .030 over,TH400, part time kit,
>A/C, 3" lift, 33x12.5 AT'S
>Gilbert, Arizona
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62831 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:05pm
Subject: [TR] Crown King from Lake Pleasant - Saturday, August 17, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
Jim Florence is leading a Crown King from Lake Pleasant trail run on Saturday, August 17, 2002.
When: Many trip wiil be scheduled
Where: Meet at the end of Castle Hot springs road where it changes to dirt.
Rating: 3.0-
Length: All day
CB Channel: 4
This is the AZVCJ annual anniversary run to Crown King come join the fun. Last year we had about 100 Jeeps go on the trip. I will set things up with Crown King so they are prepared.
Anthony Celaya will be doing Lunch "The final decision for lunch is: (WARM) BBQ beef sandwich , coleslaw, pasta and soda for the price of $5.50. The half price for the collection is now $2.75, the remaining $2.75 will be collected at the register of the Switchback when we eat. Anthony made a mistake by saying the price was $5.00, and I'm sorry for the change, but I promise the $5.50 price will be the set price. so for those who want to participate in this lunch that Camille is putting together for us, all she's asking is for half of the cost per plate, per person so she could begin preparing and getting supplies. Anthony will be taking the collection to Crown King on the 11th of August but will start collecting on the 9th and 10th.
on the 9th, Anthony will be at the chilies parking lot on the s/e corner of Mill and University from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m..
on the 10th, He will also be on the s/w corner of Thomas and 75th Ave behind Olive Garden (Desert Sky Mall area) at 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m..
if you would like to mail it to Anthony Celaya, his address is on the VJC website under members (be sure to write your name and your guest name so Anthony can put you on the list). if you have any questions, feel free to contact Anthony at 602-438-0468. TIA
.
Sign up on this run if you plan to attend the AzVJC Anniversary Party in Crown King.
Then sign up on one of the trips to Crown King!
We need several more trip leaders at different times. I need everyone to sign up on this page so we have a count. Each trip leader should post the trip and the time they plan on running it please sign up on this page and the trip leaders page you plan on making. Thanks Hackle.
PLEASE have your State Recreation Permit. I know there are a large number
of AZVJC that already have permits but with the Land Dept "bending to your
requests to reopen STL's early......... please respect that by "wheel'n
legally".
Sandee has State Rec Permits (east valley)
4-Wheeler Supply on 35th street &; Washington
Driven Auto Parts on 35th Avenue, south of Van Buren
State Land Dept. at 1616 W. Adams
Public Lands Information Center at 222 N. Central, Phx
$15.00 per year for an individual (cannot be transfered and is for purchaser
ONLY)
$20.00 per year for a family (IMMEDIATE FAMILY ONLY..... purchaser, spouse &;
minor children)
This allows acces to 9.8 million acres of State Trust Land in
Arizona........ make that 9.7....... there are a few small pieces of STL
closed due to urban sprawl and/or EPA directives.
The Lake Pleasang to Crown King trail is a local favorite. On any given weekend, there will be numerous groups of four wheelers, ATV's and motorcycles heading to and from Crown King. It is a fun and scenic trail into the cooler pines of the Bradshaws. This trail was the first trip ever done by AzVJC.
The trail takes off from the Castle Hotsprings Rd and travels through the foot hills and up the side of the mountain, giving nice views of Lake Pleasant and the Valley. There are some tougher optional sections that can make it interesting.
The trail goes through the old ghost towns of Fort Misery and Oro Belle, both of which are remnants of the Mining era of the Bradshaw Mountains. All that remains now, are foundations and a few crumbling walls. Fort Misery makes a nice place to stop and eat lunch as the small creek usually has running water and there are trees to provide shade.
In the winter months, the trail from Fort Misery through Oro Belle to Crown King will often have snow and/or ice. In the summer, an early start is necessary to stay ahead of the rising temperatures.
Once on top of the mountain, the trail runs through the cool pines and into Crown King. In Crown King there are places to eat and have a drink, and a general store that sells some excellent fudge. The old Crown King Saloon was actually built in Oro Belle, and later hauled up (many years ago) to Crown King and rebuilt. In Oro Belle, the saloon was built into the side of the hill, so the upstairs were mainly accessable from the rear of the building (at ground level). The upstairs served as a place repose for women of ill fame.
There are campgrounds on top of the mountain near Crown King for those wishing to stay overnight. The fastest way down is via the main road which leads through Cleator and toward Bumble Bee. You can split off and go through Cordes Junction, which will get you to the Freeway quicker, or keep going strait and go through the little town of Bumble Bee.
Alternatively, you can take the Senator Highway toward Prescott or Mayer, this can be a very interesting trail during snow season. If you have the time, follow Towers Mountain rd through Crown King and up to the top of Towers Mountain, there are some excellent views and you can join back up with the Senator Highway afterward.
Have fun, remember to bring water and your camera.
Enjoy, and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
62832 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:36pm
Subject: RE: TJ Gearshift knob
Pry the plastic cover (with the shift pattern on it) off and underneath you
will find a bolt.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cottage5360 [mailto:W3VET@a...]
> Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 11:08 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Gearshift knob
>
>
> I Have a '98 5-speed.
> Does the gearshift knob unscrew?
> I can't get it off.
> TIA Sharyl
>
>
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62833 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 2:43pm
Subject: [OT] Concealed Carry (CCW) Class at my house on August 24th and 25th.
Hi Gang,
Tom LaFrance, one of our members and a licensed Concealed Carry Instructor will be teaching a concealed carry class at my home on August 24th and 25th.
The class will be 8 hours on Saturday and 8 hours on Sunday. If you are interested in taking the class, the cost is $90.
Joyce (my wife) is taking the class and I figured that since I already have a classroom in my house (for SCUBA) that we might as well hold the class at my house.
We have 3 slots left... if you are interested, please email me OFF LIST.
Joe West
62834 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:19pm
Subject: Re: Friday night Car/Jeep show
Bill,
That's great! As long as you can get it every few weeks, you're
doing well!!! LOL! Ha ha ha ha ha....
In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...> wrote:
> Just as we were really starting to have fun, Mama called and
reminded me we had no kids for the evening. Anyway, I'll probably do
it again in a couple weeks. We'll have to see.
>
>
>
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
62835 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat Aug 10, 2002 4:21pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Woodpecker (Upper) - Saturday, August 10, 2002
Hello All,
steve sample lead a trail run Saturday, August 10, 2002 across Woodpecker (Upper)
ok- it was HOT so that's my excuse for the lack of names on the report, although the little ****er spaniel belonging to larry- that's BUTTERSCOTCH! one cool wheelin dog.
we all hooked up and hit woodpecker. i got wedged in the first obstacle and had to hi-lift out. what a way to start out. thanks to all for the help- good teamwork. only two of us attempted and beat the firehole- larry greene and jeff franz. good job guys and good spotting by others. we hit all the other tough spots with little or none of the easier bypasses. everyone was "in-tune". there were no breakdowns. good driving and equiptment.
there were about 8 of us started out and 2 CJ's hooked up at the beginning of woodpecker. they both made it.
did i mention it was HOT? we bailed after woodpecker. all but scott grigsby and eddie nordstrom called it a day. they headed for more wheelin- something about axle alley.......
did you guys make it out ok?
another fine run of ROCK CRAWLIN
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website