3/4 elliptical lift

[Monkey4X4]

Thats right, I said 3/4 elliptical lift. I am doing one and I need all the advice insturctions and especially pictures. I love pictures they are easier to read.
So show me some love. Ready, set, go baby, I said go.:elvis::smiley2::yes::stupid:

[Oc1paddler]

Why? There are a better options!

[Monkey4X4]

I will tell you..... Cheaper... drastic...... articulation......... I have the parts already... I am gun ho for the confusion I guess.

[Wayco]

I didn't know you could use an exercise machine to lift a Jeep.....

[Hardline]

I didn't know you could use an exercise machine to lift a Jeep.....

Anything can happen! Some people can use a shovel to lift a tire, too.

Archimedes used to say, in the Doric speech of Syracuse : "Give me a place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world."

[ROKBITR]

I didn't know you could use an exercise machine to lift a Jeep.....

:smilielol5:

[chopped7]

If you're going to go that route, why not just buy some revolvers? They will unload on you just as easily, and give you the mad ramp flex you're after. Buggy springs were a novelty when guys started doing them in the 90's and it kind of caught on for a while (I even saw an article about them in a mag). There's a reason they're not that popular anymore. Good luck and be safe. You may want to figure out a system to strap down your suspension for hillclimbs and descents.

[AZXJ]

We have two sitting at the shop with this suspension.. come by and look..

[pennstater]

Here is a link for you
http://longhornoffroad.com/pages/writeups/tech/yjbuggysprings/yjbuggysprings.htm

Are you SOA or SUA?
The author noted that there was not that much of a benefit from doing this with a SUA. If you have a SOA, the author noted there was more wheel hopping.

[SHNIPE]

I say run it and be different. If you hate it youve already got the links done and just swap in some coilovers :D

[terron gregg]

i was confused before the pic .ive never even seen that would this be any better than revolving shackle like the teraflex ones

[SHNIPE]

EDIT: I was thinkint 1/4 :D im too hardcore for my own mind :(

[lancetkenyon]

i was confused before the pic .ive never even seen that would this be any better than revolving shackle like the teraflex ones

No.

[JamesT]

I know someone that did this and said, for the work it wasn't worth it, there are better options.

Just FYI

[WalterD]

Aren't Revolver Shackles just a glorified hinge? The 3/4 elliptical still has spring tension, so it shouldn't unload the same?????? Maybe, or am I full ofs hit???

[desertfabmotors]

We have two sitting at the shop with this suspension.. come by and look..


Dave,

they are 1/4 eliptical not 3/4:smug:

[Heinz57]

The only revolver worth a hoot usually holds six bullets:laugh2:

[GRUNT]

Per the author of the article....
"My conclusion with this modification is that if you still run SUA, then this mod may benifit you a LITTLE BIT. When I went SOA, I noticed that the buggy springs made some obstacles MORE DIFFICULT to climb, because the 3/4 elliptical caused wheel-hop, and gave a false sense of traction. Also, this mod INDUCED spring wrap like crazy. Granted, I was running stock YJ rear springs while SOA, hence they were extremely flexy, but the amount of springs I went through in a given period of time was just ridiculous. I have now since removed the buggy springs and I am glad I did it. The only real advantage that the 3/4 elliptical suspension gave was a little higher score on the RTI ramp. I now run 2.5" OME springs, SOA, and flex more and better than I ever did with the buggy springs. Some people claim they are great, but they really do make you lose traction while crawling. This has just been my experience -- JJ"

I would take his word. He has done the trial and error for you bro!

[Monkey4X4]

I saw Todd today and I cant say that I am not more in the middle of confusion. Todd says just do the axle flip, which it already has since it is on K5 Blazer. any higher, don't you risk a much harder ride. He suggested air shocks or bags as well. So What do you all really think bfeore i go spend more money I dont have or want to spend.
By the way, I did not realize how much comedy talent most of you had. I almost busted a rib

[sctur601]

So you want to do 3/4s on a blazer? If so dont do it! There are much better ways to get flex out of it that wont make it scary to drive. I have driven a blazer with 3/4s and It was pretty scary on the road, and he kept breaking axle shafts in the 10bolt from wheel hop.

[sctur601]

So you want to do 3/4s on a blazer? If so dont do it! There are much better ways to get flex out of it that wont make it scary to drive. I have driven a blazer with 3/4s and It was pretty scary on the road, and he kept breaking axle shafts in the 10bolt from wheel hop.

[Monkey4X4]

what are your thoughts? It is a K5 with the Jeep body going on top.

[sctur601]

Well it depends on how much money you want to spend. but the best way to get flex is to, take the rear springs off and put them on the front, this will require longer front shackles Relocating front sping perches a. as for the Rear get som 56" long springs from a 3/4 ton and add them to the rear. to do this you will want to buy a rear shackle flip, from ORD, or skye manufacturing. what this does is aims the shackle down instead of up like factory. this will give you 2.5 or 4" of lift depending on which kit you buy. If you need any more info on this kind of stuff, let me know.

[Monkey4X4]

Bump. Any other ideas out there? Need more cow bell.

[chopped7]

I saw Todd today and I cant say that I am not more in the middle of confusion. Todd says just do the axle flip, which it already has since it is on K5 Blazer. any higher, don't you risk a much harder ride. He suggested air shocks or bags as well. So What do you all really think bfeore i go spend more money I dont have or want to spend.
By the way, I did not realize how much comedy talent most of you had. I almost busted a rib

Was it axle flip, or shackle flip. I'm not a Chevy expert (or even remotely knowledgable) but I believe they have suspension type shackles. There is a way to flip them to be compression type like a leaf sprung Jeep. I think those are the correct terms but what do I know? I drive Jeeps. The shackle flip is supposed to give you several inches of lift by using the same springs. I guess the idea is to be able to run bigger tires with a flatter, softer spring. I can't even begin to speculate on the performance of either configuration. It's probably the same, you just get some lift by flipping the shackles.

Of course, the axle flip may have been suggested so you would have a high pinion 3rd member. This is a great solution for a short drive shaft with steep angles. The only real drawback to the axle flip is having to drive everywhere backwards. I wouldn't recommend it but it's still probably better than buggy springs. :drummer:

edit: shackle flip was covered already. I missed it. This post is pretty much meaningless.

[Monkey4X4]

It means something to me. Thanks for the hit I will keep monitoring the ideas and put something together. The more suggestions that are cost effective and useful and as on the more average suggested might be the winner.
Thanks

Still need more thoughts:aagh:

[chopped7]

What are your goals for this build? I have 2 talents. #1 is the ablity to consume a large amount of beer. #2 is the ability to use a search engine. I have no problem throwing down a google search to help you find info (unlike guys on PBB). I can use both of my talents at the same time and it makes me feel like a productive member of society. To me it's like.... giving to charity. It always feels good to give to charity around the holidays. I'll help you out with finding info whenever I can. I'm a budget builder and love to see others make cool stuff out of junkyard parts.

Just make sure you have a plan before you start so you don't wind up wasting a bunch of money. I, personally, think the big Chevy frame is going to look dumb under a SWB Jeep. It will stick out. My buddy dropped a Cj5 tub on a shortened J-10 frame and it didn't really look right. It sounds good in theory but the engineers design the frame, sheetmetal, and everything else to fit together. When you start messing with that, it just doesn't look right. I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your final product but i wouldn't try to make it look like a stock Jeep. Chop the hell out of it, throw a couple hundred feet of tube at it, and try to "buggy it out" as much as you can. I'm talking about boatsides, tubed back half, cage, and tube work up front as well to detract from the look of the frame that is under the Jeep that wasn't designed to be under the Jeep.

You might consider just swapping the Blazer axles and drivetrain into your Jeep. It sounds like less work to me. Without a lift ( read: shop lift), I think the body mounts would be hard to figure out, unless somebody makes a kit for that application. Axle swaps, motor mounts, and crossmembers are easy.

Whatever you decide to do, post it up. I'll help you find a recipe. :innocent:

[Monkey4X4]

Thanks. I am going to keep pushing with the idea with used parts and what I have. I will see how it works and I guess change if needed. I think I have a lot of work a head.
Any other thoughts?

[GRUNT]

I agree with chopped, you should put the Chevy drivetrain into the Jeep. Shannon Campbell, from Campbell Ent. can set the engine/etc. in with custom mounts and frame reinforcements. It costs some money but will be bomb proof, great looking and last for ever.

IMHO, you are looking at to many conflicts trying to get the jeep tub onto the balzer frame. You can ask Hunter from Hunter Offroad. That vehicle (MCSO Buggy) of his is a CHevy frame. It looks too big for a jeep tub to me...

[Oc1paddler]

Thanks. I am going to keep pushing with the idea with used parts and what I have. I will see how it works and I guess change if needed. I think I have a lot of work a head.
Any other thoughts?

What ever you think it will take time and money wise........ triple and that should get you in the ballpark. This is coming from someone with a jeep bodied, cadillac powered, ford axled thing.

[Monkey4X4]

Thank you pierre. I am so close too with all the parts I need to be a cj bodied K5. it is more minmal than the drive train swapp with a shop doing it. Its not that I cant do it myself, I just dont have all the tools I need or the lift to make it easier when I wrench on it. If I had the money, I would let Desert Fab just do it. They come highly reccommended and seem to be very generous guys. So until I find money in my walls inexpensive is the way. I need to go wheeling I have an itch to scratch.