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62686 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:36am
Subject: RE: Something to Think About
Donations taken by trip leader before the run. That way we get it before they spend it at the bar(s). ;)
This is if we decide to do this.
I think you could set up a poll. (but I think it will be easy to say that it is a done deal) Who would be the delegates? That could be determined later with another poll of people that nominate themselves.
Just some ideas.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:28 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
I was thinking the same thing...
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:15 AM
To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
To raise the money for such an affiliation a club run like the one next week would be perfect!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as an association.
United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized any more than we already are.
Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of the typical $10/person/year.
United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The funds to join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This would also give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
- Mike
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62687 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Rubicon Bound
Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-mail directly to h8pvmnt@hotmail.com
Take Care
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62688 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:50am
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
I like that idea, Mike. That would be great to be affiliated with
USA4WDC.
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
62689 From: awiajeepin <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: radiator.com problems
Hello all, yesterday my radiator blew. Pretty horrific experience, I
barely got off the 101 before it blew. For those of you that may
have purchased a radiator from radiator.com, you might want to check
the SIDES of the radiator, the seems on the side of mine split open
resulting in fluid loss and the infamous "white smoke" pouring out.
I figured I would let everyone that bought a radiator from them to
check theirs for potentional problems. I bought mine in november of
2001. They did replace it for free, but my question is since it was
their faulty radiator, should they pay for the labor ($170) I had to
pay to get the new one back in? Just a thought, some of my friends
say they (radiator.com) should pay for it? Suggestions...anything?
(yes I know, I or some other members could have done it for free but
I was on 24th st and the 101, stuck)
TIA
94xjoe
62690 From: Mark Mesalam <mesalam@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: Something to Think About
If you join ASA4WDC, for $25, you get membership in United. (Included)
-----Original Message-----
From: ccgaiser [mailto:ccgaiser@h...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:50 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Something to Think About
I like that idea, Mike. That would be great to be affiliated with
USA4WDC.
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
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62691 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:03pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Old Style 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's
Robert,
Are these still available?
I will gladly take one of them off your hands as I need a spare. What is your beverage of choice?
Let me know!
Thanks,
Smitty
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: 12 pack of my favorite Adult beverage
Contact: Robert Cole 480-837-0603
I have two 33x12.50 old style MTR's both with 60 to 70% tread left. I need these gone before my wife puts them around my neck. I'll take a twelve pack per tire. Come and get and save a fellow wheelers neck.
ROBERT COLE
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62692 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:02pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
What exactly are all of the benefits to this?
Also, some of us (like me) are already United members either directly or
indirectly via an ASA4WDC membership. I have no problem with donating
to the club's United membership in addition to paying for my ASA4WDC
membership. But I'd sure hate to discourage people from joining the
ASA4WDC. (I'm not sure this would happen but I don't really know.)
-Roger
"Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as an association.United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized any more than we already are.Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of the typical $10/person/year.United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The funds to join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This would also give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.- Mike
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62693 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:05pm
Subject: Re: radiator.com problems
Was that you? Red XJ? I live in the apartments off 24th st.
I was going to come out and help you out but I had to run the kids to school
and when I got back you were gone. I thought it was on fire.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: "awiajeepin" <joey@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] radiator.com problems
> Hello all, yesterday my radiator blew. Pretty horrific experience, I
> barely got off the 101 before it blew. For those of you that may
> have purchased a radiator from radiator.com, you might want to check
> the SIDES of the radiator, the seems on the side of mine split open
> resulting in fluid loss and the infamous "white smoke" pouring out.
> I figured I would let everyone that bought a radiator from them to
> check theirs for potentional problems. I bought mine in november of
> 2001. They did replace it for free, but my question is since it was
> their faulty radiator, should they pay for the labor ($170) I had to
> pay to get the new one back in? Just a thought, some of my friends
> say they (radiator.com) should pay for it? Suggestions...anything?
> (yes I know, I or some other members could have done it for free but
> I was on 24th st and the 101, stuck)
>
>
> TIA
> 94xjoe
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62694 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon Bound
Mike,
If you haven't shut off your email yet or if you are still accessing
the Yahoo Groups board, then I'd suggest that when you're out there
try to take in the Fordice Creek trail also (its where they do the
Sierra Trek). I did it for the first time after doing the usual
Rubicon run when I was out there last month and it's awsome. It's
Rubiconish and the scenery is better in my opinion. And there are
lots of swimming places in the creek, but the water is cold. Just go
north of Tahoe to Truckee, then west on I-80 about 30 miles or so to
Cisco Grove, then turn off onto the trail going north.
Have fun,
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon
Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking
until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK
Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to
make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain
as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-
mail directly to h8pvmnt@h...
>
> Take Care
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
62695 From: awiajeepin <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Re: radiator.com problems?
Yep that was me. I didn't know what to do. It died at the light
under the freeway, then it started and right as I was going down
24th st, boom. Its all fine now except for the money, I could have
bought a High-Lift Jack or some tow hooks <grin>
94xjoe
62696 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:34pm
Subject: Sharky's safety tip!
Hey Sharky,
Give us your safety tip for drilling holes in your bumper and breaking your
hand!
He just got the pins out today, and he invited us all over for
Sharky-ke-bobs!
Seriously, I'm seeing more and more people getting hurt working on their
Jeeps.
Be safe, people! No shortcuts on safety!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fw: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
> Thanks JC.
>
> It is a good point to remind ourselves about safety. We all work on our
> rigs and other things like yard work (yeah I know it takes time away from
> our Jeeps) but even then I wear safety classes when I mow and trim.
>
> Everyone be safe.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:37 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
>
>
> > Its never an exageration when it comes to protect ourselves, you guys
take
> > care and have a good weekend,
> >
> > JC
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Bronco Fix" <mail@b...>; "EBeast list"
<EBeast@b...>;
> > "EBML List" <ebml@b...>; "SEB list"
> <S-EEarlyBroncos@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
> >
> >
> > > I am sitting here with my eyballs dialated to the size of saucers
> because
> > I didnt wear my safety glasses when blowing away some welding debris. I
> > didnt think anything of it when I picked up the blower nozzle and went
to
> > town on the dust but I guess hindsight is 20/20. Please wear your safety
> > glasses when you do any grinding ,sanding or just blowing off debris so
> you
> > dont end up like me.
> > > It took 2 trips to the doctor as my primary care doctor couldnt get t
he
> > piece of steel out so I had to go to a specialist and now I am wearing
> > sunglasses inside the house with all the lights out and it still burns
> like
> > hell.If just 1 person takes this advice it is worth it,
> > >
> > > Be safe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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62697 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:40pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
I just don't look good in a skirt....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training Officer
> and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
>
> Joe K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > Doug Ballard for President
> > Sharky for Vice President
> > Bill Mish for secretary
> > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > JW for BBS sysop
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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62698 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:32pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom
lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> I just don't look good in a skirt....
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training Officer
> > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> >
> > Joe K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > JW for BBS sysop
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62699 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:44am
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
OK, you don't have to twist my arm, I'll be sergeant of Arms. J/K
Anthony C
62700 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:46pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
No. It's a skirt. Ask Sharky. And believe me, he doesn't look good
in it at all! :) (see you tonight Bill!) :)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "The Acuna Family" <mkacuna@c...> wrote:
> It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "tom
> lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> > I just don't look good in a skirt....
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training
Officer
> > > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> > >
> > > Joe K.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > >
> > >
> > > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > > JW for BBS sysop
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
> >
62701 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:00pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
Mike you keep this up with Bill and Sharky will get jealous... :o)
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., "msa12171" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> No. It's a skirt. Ask Sharky. And believe me, he doesn't look
good
> in it at all! :) (see you tonight Bill!) :)
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "The Acuna Family" <mkacuna@c...> wrote:
> > It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "tom
> > lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> > > I just don't look good in a skirt....
> > >
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > >
> > >
> > > > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training
> Officer
> > > > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> > > >
> > > > Joe K.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > > > JW for BBS sysop
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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62702 From: Fleg . <fleigle@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
Well I think you should setup a paypal account and see what happens. The
extra moneys could be used for website maintanence and donations for the
next relief run.
Michael
NMVJC
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:36:26 -0700
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
Subject: RE: Something to Think About
Donations taken by trip leader before the run. That way we get
it before
they spend it at the bar(s). ;)
This is if we decide to do this.
I think you could set up a poll. (but I think it will be easy to
say
that it is a done deal) Who would be the delegates? That could
be
determined later with another poll of people that nominate
themselves.
Just some ideas.
Joey K
93YJ
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62703 From: drshieldsut <drshieldsut@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
Joining UFWDA? Not that I think it is a bad thing, but I am a member
of ASA4WDC and as part of their fee it covers membership in UFWDA.
As a matter of fact I happen to be a member of the CA4WDC and SWFWDA
both of which are members of UFWDA. So I belong to three
organizations that already give a portion of my membership fee to
UFWDA. UFWDA publishes the United Voice quarterly newsletter. Want
to guess how many copies of United Voice per issue I receive?
Three! I'll bet there are others in AZVJC that may be in a similar
position. Well, I have never looked into paying for UFWDA three
times a year through these three associations as I just figured that
UFWDA was a good thing. However, I am not sure that I want to pay
them four times a year.
I would like to purpose that the Blue Ribbon Coalition (BRC) might be
another organization worthy of donations. Since there may be a
number of AZVJC members who already contribute to UFWDA through other
avenues. It seems to me that from being a member of UFWDA for the
last 15 years that the organization is all about keeping lands open.
Carla Boucher has done some tremendous work the last couple of years
and I know we all appreciate that. Believe me I don't want to lose
my access to public lands after all that I have invested in my
lifestyle which is dependent on those lands. However, it is going to
take just more that the 4 wheel drive community to keep the lands
open to recreationists such as us. The BRC seems fairly board based
in its membership (check out this link)
http://www.sharetrails.org/Organization/index.cfm
Yes, I know about Tread Lightly. However I think Phil Howell's
editorial summed up my feelings pretty well about that organization.
http://www.extreme4x4.com/departments/extreme_view/tread_lightly.html
The main benefit, as I see it, as Mike points out is the two
delegates to the UFWDA convention. How would AZVJC select
delegates? In many cases the association-level members substantially
assist in paying for delegates to attend the annual convention.
Would a candidate for a delegate position have to be willing to self-
fund his or her participation in the annual convention? Is AZVJC
willing to fund the delegates' vacations to the annual conference and
wheeling? I think there are number of issues for a non-organization
organization trying to behave like an organization.
Just my $0.0005 or less.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
62704 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon Bound
I thought you had to call and check on the flow level in the creek
to make sure it's low enough. (The flow is controlled via a dam.)
Otherwise, you won't be able to make the crossings and I believe
there are multiple crossings.
But I've never been there - this is just from what I've read.
-Roger
highjeeps wrote:
> Mike,
> If you haven't shut off your email yet or if you are still accessing
> the Yahoo Groups board, then I'd suggest that when you're out there
> try to take in the Fordice Creek trail also (its where they do the
> Sierra Trek). I did it for the first time after doing the usual
> Rubicon run when I was out there last month and it's awsome. It's
> Rubiconish and the scenery is better in my opinion. And there are
> lots of swimming places in the creek, but the water is cold. Just go
> north of Tahoe to Truckee, then west on I-80 about 30 miles or so to
> Cisco Grove, then turn off onto the trail going north.
>
> Have fun,
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> > Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon
> Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking
> until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK
> Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to
> make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain
> as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-
> mail directly to h8pvmnt@h...
> >
> > Take Care
> > Mike Wixom
> > 85 CJ-7
>
>
>
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62705 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:31pm
Subject: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
90YJ
2.5L
4" susp. Lift
2" Body Lift
33" AT's
NO SYE
Thanks Allan
62706 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Something to Think About
?????,
Just because you are donating 3 times, or what would be a fourth,
doesn't mean everyone is. It's only a hundred bucks and I am not sure
anyone would get anything from it. Be it a newsletter or what. I know we
have tried to be associated with several organizations but have been
denied because of our unorganization. Tread Lightly, AZA4WDC to name a
couple.
You or anyone could organize a drive to donate whatever to any worthy
cause. I think the idea Mike is suggesting that the club become
affiliated with UFWDA.
Am I right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: drshieldsut [mailto:drshieldsut@y...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:09 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Something to Think About
Joining UFWDA? Not that I think it is a bad thing, but I am a member
of ASA4WDC and as part of their fee it covers membership in UFWDA.
As a matter of fact I happen to be a member of the CA4WDC and SWFWDA
both of which are members of UFWDA. So I belong to three
organizations that already give a portion of my membership fee to
UFWDA. UFWDA publishes the United Voice quarterly newsletter. Want
to guess how many copies of United Voice per issue I receive?
Three! I'll bet there are others in AZVJC that may be in a similar
position. Well, I have never looked into paying for UFWDA three
times a year through these three associations as I just figured that
UFWDA was a good thing. However, I am not sure that I want to pay
them four times a year.
I would like to purpose that the Blue Ribbon Coalition (BRC) might be
another organization worthy of donations. Since there may be a
number of AZVJC members who already contribute to UFWDA through other
avenues. It seems to me that from being a member of UFWDA for the
last 15 years that the organization is all about keeping lands open.
Carla Boucher has done some tremendous work the last couple of years
and I know we all appreciate that. Believe me I don't want to lose
my access to public lands after all that I have invested in my
lifestyle which is dependent on those lands. However, it is going to
take just more that the 4 wheel drive community to keep the lands
open to recreationists such as us. The BRC seems fairly board based
in its membership (check out this link)
http://www.sharetrails.org/Organization/index.cfm
Yes, I know about Tread Lightly. However I think Phil Howell's
editorial summed up my feelings pretty well about that organization.
http://www.extreme4x4.com/departments/extreme_view/tread_lightly.html
The main benefit, as I see it, as Mike points out is the two
delegates to the UFWDA convention. How would AZVJC select
delegates? In many cases the association-level members substantially
assist in paying for delegates to attend the annual convention.
Would a candidate for a delegate position have to be willing to self-
fund his or her participation in the annual convention? Is AZVJC
willing to fund the delegates' vacations to the annual conference and
wheeling? I think there are number of issues for a non-organization
organization trying to behave like an organization.
Just my $0.0005 or less.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
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62707 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
What part of the valley are you in?
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
> Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
> go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
> 90YJ
> 2.5L
> 4" susp. Lift
> 2" Body Lift
> 33" AT's
> NO SYE
>
> Thanks Allan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62708 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
But then again you have square headlights so maybe a parking lot curb would
be best for you.
<BIG GRIN>
flame suit on.
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
> Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
> go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
> 90YJ
> 2.5L
> 4" susp. Lift
> 2" Body Lift
> 33" AT's
> NO SYE
>
> Thanks Allan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62709 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
North West
Peoria - Near 83rd and Deer Valley
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
> What part of the valley are you in?
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
>
>
> > Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like
to
> > go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for
beginners?
> > 90YJ
> > 2.5L
> > 4" susp. Lift
> > 2" Body Lift
> > 33" AT's
> > NO SYE
> >
> > Thanks Allan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
62710 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: RE: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Allan,
Check out the club website. Any run 3 will be doable. With some
experience you will quickly move to 3.5 and some 4 rated trails.
www.azvjc.org
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: allanalxndr [mailto:ajalex15@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
90YJ 2.5L 4" susp. Lift 2" Body Lift 33" AT's NO SYE
Thanks Allan
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62686 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:36am
Subject: RE: Something to Think About
Donations taken by trip leader before the run. That way we get it before they spend it at the bar(s). ;)
This is if we decide to do this.
I think you could set up a poll. (but I think it will be easy to say that it is a done deal) Who would be the delegates? That could be determined later with another poll of people that nominate themselves.
Just some ideas.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:28 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
I was thinking the same thing...
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@desertjeep.com]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:15 AM
To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
To raise the money for such an affiliation a club run like the one next week would be perfect!
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:10 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Something to Think About
How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as an association.
United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized any more than we already are.
Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of the typical $10/person/year.
United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The funds to join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This would also give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
- Mike
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62687 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Rubicon Bound
Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-mail directly to h8pvmnt@hotmail.com
Take Care
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62688 From: ccgaiser <ccgaiser@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 11:50am
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
I like that idea, Mike. That would be great to be affiliated with
USA4WDC.
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
62689 From: awiajeepin <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: radiator.com problems
Hello all, yesterday my radiator blew. Pretty horrific experience, I
barely got off the 101 before it blew. For those of you that may
have purchased a radiator from radiator.com, you might want to check
the SIDES of the radiator, the seems on the side of mine split open
resulting in fluid loss and the infamous "white smoke" pouring out.
I figured I would let everyone that bought a radiator from them to
check theirs for potentional problems. I bought mine in november of
2001. They did replace it for free, but my question is since it was
their faulty radiator, should they pay for the labor ($170) I had to
pay to get the new one back in? Just a thought, some of my friends
say they (radiator.com) should pay for it? Suggestions...anything?
(yes I know, I or some other members could have done it for free but
I was on 24th st and the 101, stuck)
TIA
94xjoe
62690 From: Mark Mesalam <mesalam@m...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: Something to Think About
If you join ASA4WDC, for $25, you get membership in United. (Included)
-----Original Message-----
From: ccgaiser [mailto:ccgaiser@h...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:50 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Something to Think About
I like that idea, Mike. That would be great to be affiliated with
USA4WDC.
Chris
66 CJ-5
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
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62691 From: James Smith <jeepinsmitty@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:03pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Old Style 33x12.50 Goodyear MTR's
Robert,
Are these still available?
I will gladly take one of them off your hands as I need a spare. What is your beverage of choice?
Let me know!
Thanks,
Smitty
AzVJC Website wrote:
Price: 12 pack of my favorite Adult beverage
Contact: Robert Cole 480-837-0603
I have two 33x12.50 old style MTR's both with 60 to 70% tread left. I need these gone before my wife puts them around my neck. I'll take a twelve pack per tire. Come and get and save a fellow wheelers neck.
ROBERT COLE
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62692 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:02pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
What exactly are all of the benefits to this?
Also, some of us (like me) are already United members either directly or
indirectly via an ASA4WDC membership. I have no problem with donating
to the club's United membership in addition to paying for my ASA4WDC
membership. But I'd sure hate to discourage people from joining the
ASA4WDC. (I'm not sure this would happen but I don't really know.)
-Roger
"Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as an association.United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized any more than we already are.Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of the typical $10/person/year.United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The funds to join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This would also give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.- Mike
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62693 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:05pm
Subject: Re: radiator.com problems
Was that you? Red XJ? I live in the apartments off 24th st.
I was going to come out and help you out but I had to run the kids to school
and when I got back you were gone. I thought it was on fire.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: "awiajeepin" <joey@w...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] radiator.com problems
> Hello all, yesterday my radiator blew. Pretty horrific experience, I
> barely got off the 101 before it blew. For those of you that may
> have purchased a radiator from radiator.com, you might want to check
> the SIDES of the radiator, the seems on the side of mine split open
> resulting in fluid loss and the infamous "white smoke" pouring out.
> I figured I would let everyone that bought a radiator from them to
> check theirs for potentional problems. I bought mine in november of
> 2001. They did replace it for free, but my question is since it was
> their faulty radiator, should they pay for the labor ($170) I had to
> pay to get the new one back in? Just a thought, some of my friends
> say they (radiator.com) should pay for it? Suggestions...anything?
> (yes I know, I or some other members could have done it for free but
> I was on 24th st and the 101, stuck)
>
>
> TIA
> 94xjoe
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62694 From: highjeeps <highupjeep@q...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:07pm
Subject: Re: Rubicon Bound
Mike,
If you haven't shut off your email yet or if you are still accessing
the Yahoo Groups board, then I'd suggest that when you're out there
try to take in the Fordice Creek trail also (its where they do the
Sierra Trek). I did it for the first time after doing the usual
Rubicon run when I was out there last month and it's awsome. It's
Rubiconish and the scenery is better in my opinion. And there are
lots of swimming places in the creek, but the water is cold. Just go
north of Tahoe to Truckee, then west on I-80 about 30 miles or so to
Cisco Grove, then turn off onto the trail going north.
Have fun,
Larry
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon
Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking
until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK
Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to
make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain
as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-
mail directly to h8pvmnt@h...
>
> Take Care
> Mike Wixom
> 85 CJ-7
62695 From: awiajeepin <joey@w...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:15pm
Subject: Re: radiator.com problems?
Yep that was me. I didn't know what to do. It died at the light
under the freeway, then it started and right as I was going down
24th st, boom. Its all fine now except for the money, I could have
bought a High-Lift Jack or some tow hooks <grin>
94xjoe
62696 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:34pm
Subject: Sharky's safety tip!
Hey Sharky,
Give us your safety tip for drilling holes in your bumper and breaking your
hand!
He just got the pins out today, and he invited us all over for
Sharky-ke-bobs!
Seriously, I'm seeing more and more people getting hurt working on their
Jeeps.
Be safe, people! No shortcuts on safety!
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Fw: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
> Thanks JC.
>
> It is a good point to remind ourselves about safety. We all work on our
> rigs and other things like yard work (yeah I know it takes time away from
> our Jeeps) but even then I wear safety classes when I mow and trim.
>
> Everyone be safe.
>
> Joe Kearney
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jesus Chio" <jchio@a...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:37 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
>
>
> > Its never an exageration when it comes to protect ourselves, you guys
take
> > care and have a good weekend,
> >
> > JC
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > To: "Bronco Fix" <mail@b...>; "EBeast list"
<EBeast@b...>;
> > "EBML List" <ebml@b...>; "SEB list"
> <S-EEarlyBroncos@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 11:30 AM
> > Subject: Thought of the Day "Safety Glasses "
> >
> >
> > > I am sitting here with my eyballs dialated to the size of saucers
> because
> > I didnt wear my safety glasses when blowing away some welding debris. I
> > didnt think anything of it when I picked up the blower nozzle and went
to
> > town on the dust but I guess hindsight is 20/20. Please wear your safety
> > glasses when you do any grinding ,sanding or just blowing off debris so
> you
> > dont end up like me.
> > > It took 2 trips to the doctor as my primary care doctor couldnt get t
he
> > piece of steel out so I had to go to a specialist and now I am wearing
> > sunglasses inside the house with all the lights out and it still burns
> like
> > hell.If just 1 person takes this advice it is worth it,
> > >
> > > Be safe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62697 From: Bill Mish <yldkat55@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:40pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
I just don't look good in a skirt....
Bill Mish
1955 Willys CJ3B
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training Officer
> and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
>
> Joe K.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > Doug Ballard for President
> > Sharky for Vice President
> > Bill Mish for secretary
> > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > JW for BBS sysop
> >
> > :-)
> >
> > Tom
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62698 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:32pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom
lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> I just don't look good in a skirt....
>
> Bill Mish
> 1955 Willys CJ3B
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training Officer
> > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> >
> > Joe K.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > JW for BBS sysop
> > >
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > Tom
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> >
> >
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>
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>
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62699 From: <chaton602@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 8:44am
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
OK, you don't have to twist my arm, I'll be sergeant of Arms. J/K
Anthony C
62700 From: msa12171 <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 0:46pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
No. It's a skirt. Ask Sharky. And believe me, he doesn't look good
in it at all! :) (see you tonight Bill!) :)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "The Acuna Family" <mkacuna@c...> wrote:
> It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
>
> Mike
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "tom
> lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
>
>
> > I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> > I just don't look good in a skirt....
> >
> > Bill Mish
> > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training
Officer
> > > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> > >
> > > Joe K.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > >
> > >
> > > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > > JW for BBS sysop
> > > >
> > > > :-)
> > > >
> > > > Tom
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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62701 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:00pm
Subject: Re: BBS and the big "O"
Mike you keep this up with Bill and Sharky will get jealous... :o)
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., "msa12171" <msa12171@a...> wrote:
> No. It's a skirt. Ask Sharky. And believe me, he doesn't look
good
> in it at all! :) (see you tonight Bill!) :)
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "The Acuna Family" <mkacuna@c...> wrote:
> > It's not a skirt, it's a kilt8>)
> >
> > Mike
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bill Mish" <yldkat55@h...>
> > To: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@J...>; <az_vjc@y...>; "tom
> > lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> >
> >
> > > I forfeit my nomination for Secretary.
> > > I just don't look good in a skirt....
> > >
> > > Bill Mish
> > > 1955 Willys CJ3B
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>; "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:50 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > >
> > >
> > > > And we can not forget Tom LaFrance as the CTO Chief Training
> Officer
> > > > and Stu Olson as the CJTO Chief Jeep Technical Office.
> > > >
> > > > Joe K.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "tom lafrance" <tlafrance@j...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 9:46 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] BBS and the big "O"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Doug Ballard for President
> > > > > Sharky for Vice President
> > > > > Bill Mish for secretary
> > > > > Davis Withers for public relations specialist
> > > > > JW for BBS sysop
> > > > >
> > > > > :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Tom
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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62702 From: Fleg . <fleigle@h...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
Well I think you should setup a paypal account and see what happens. The
extra moneys could be used for website maintanence and donations for the
next relief run.
Michael
NMVJC
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:36:26 -0700
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
Subject: RE: Something to Think About
Donations taken by trip leader before the run. That way we get
it before
they spend it at the bar(s). ;)
This is if we decide to do this.
I think you could set up a poll. (but I think it will be easy to
say
that it is a done deal) Who would be the delegates? That could
be
determined later with another poll of people that nominate
themselves.
Just some ideas.
Joey K
93YJ
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62703 From: drshieldsut <drshieldsut@y...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:08pm
Subject: Re: Something to Think About
Joining UFWDA? Not that I think it is a bad thing, but I am a member
of ASA4WDC and as part of their fee it covers membership in UFWDA.
As a matter of fact I happen to be a member of the CA4WDC and SWFWDA
both of which are members of UFWDA. So I belong to three
organizations that already give a portion of my membership fee to
UFWDA. UFWDA publishes the United Voice quarterly newsletter. Want
to guess how many copies of United Voice per issue I receive?
Three! I'll bet there are others in AZVJC that may be in a similar
position. Well, I have never looked into paying for UFWDA three
times a year through these three associations as I just figured that
UFWDA was a good thing. However, I am not sure that I want to pay
them four times a year.
I would like to purpose that the Blue Ribbon Coalition (BRC) might be
another organization worthy of donations. Since there may be a
number of AZVJC members who already contribute to UFWDA through other
avenues. It seems to me that from being a member of UFWDA for the
last 15 years that the organization is all about keeping lands open.
Carla Boucher has done some tremendous work the last couple of years
and I know we all appreciate that. Believe me I don't want to lose
my access to public lands after all that I have invested in my
lifestyle which is dependent on those lands. However, it is going to
take just more that the 4 wheel drive community to keep the lands
open to recreationists such as us. The BRC seems fairly board based
in its membership (check out this link)
http://www.sharetrails.org/Organization/index.cfm
Yes, I know about Tread Lightly. However I think Phil Howell's
editorial summed up my feelings pretty well about that organization.
http://www.extreme4x4.com/departments/extreme_view/tread_lightly.html
The main benefit, as I see it, as Mike points out is the two
delegates to the UFWDA convention. How would AZVJC select
delegates? In many cases the association-level members substantially
assist in paying for delegates to attend the annual convention.
Would a candidate for a delegate position have to be willing to self-
fund his or her participation in the annual convention? Is AZVJC
willing to fund the delegates' vacations to the annual conference and
wheeling? I think there are number of issues for a non-organization
organization trying to behave like an organization.
Just my $0.0005 or less.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
62704 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Re: Rubicon Bound
I thought you had to call and check on the flow level in the creek
to make sure it's low enough. (The flow is controlled via a dam.)
Otherwise, you won't be able to make the crossings and I believe
there are multiple crossings.
But I've never been there - this is just from what I've read.
-Roger
highjeeps wrote:
> Mike,
> If you haven't shut off your email yet or if you are still accessing
> the Yahoo Groups board, then I'd suggest that when you're out there
> try to take in the Fordice Creek trail also (its where they do the
> Sierra Trek). I did it for the first time after doing the usual
> Rubicon run when I was out there last month and it's awsome. It's
> Rubiconish and the scenery is better in my opinion. And there are
> lots of swimming places in the creek, but the water is cold. Just go
> north of Tahoe to Truckee, then west on I-80 about 30 miles or so to
> Cisco Grove, then turn off onto the trail going north.
>
> Have fun,
> Larry
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Michael Wixom" <h8pvmnt@h...> wrote:
> > Just a note to inform the group that I will be gone to the Rubicon
> Trail all next week. I have stopped e-mails and won't be checking
> until I return. I am disappointed that my trip conflicted with the CK
> Anniversary run. I am returning the day of it and won't be able to
> make it. I hope everyone has a great time and that it does not rain
> as much as it did last year. If anyone needs to get ahold of me e-
> mail directly to h8pvmnt@h...
> >
> > Take Care
> > Mike Wixom
> > 85 CJ-7
>
>
>
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62705 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:31pm
Subject: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
90YJ
2.5L
4" susp. Lift
2" Body Lift
33" AT's
NO SYE
Thanks Allan
62706 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: RE: Re: Something to Think About
?????,
Just because you are donating 3 times, or what would be a fourth,
doesn't mean everyone is. It's only a hundred bucks and I am not sure
anyone would get anything from it. Be it a newsletter or what. I know we
have tried to be associated with several organizations but have been
denied because of our unorganization. Tread Lightly, AZA4WDC to name a
couple.
You or anyone could organize a drive to donate whatever to any worthy
cause. I think the idea Mike is suggesting that the club become
affiliated with UFWDA.
Am I right?
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: drshieldsut [mailto:drshieldsut@y...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:09 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Something to Think About
Joining UFWDA? Not that I think it is a bad thing, but I am a member
of ASA4WDC and as part of their fee it covers membership in UFWDA.
As a matter of fact I happen to be a member of the CA4WDC and SWFWDA
both of which are members of UFWDA. So I belong to three
organizations that already give a portion of my membership fee to
UFWDA. UFWDA publishes the United Voice quarterly newsletter. Want
to guess how many copies of United Voice per issue I receive?
Three! I'll bet there are others in AZVJC that may be in a similar
position. Well, I have never looked into paying for UFWDA three
times a year through these three associations as I just figured that
UFWDA was a good thing. However, I am not sure that I want to pay
them four times a year.
I would like to purpose that the Blue Ribbon Coalition (BRC) might be
another organization worthy of donations. Since there may be a
number of AZVJC members who already contribute to UFWDA through other
avenues. It seems to me that from being a member of UFWDA for the
last 15 years that the organization is all about keeping lands open.
Carla Boucher has done some tremendous work the last couple of years
and I know we all appreciate that. Believe me I don't want to lose
my access to public lands after all that I have invested in my
lifestyle which is dependent on those lands. However, it is going to
take just more that the 4 wheel drive community to keep the lands
open to recreationists such as us. The BRC seems fairly board based
in its membership (check out this link)
http://www.sharetrails.org/Organization/index.cfm
Yes, I know about Tread Lightly. However I think Phil Howell's
editorial summed up my feelings pretty well about that organization.
http://www.extreme4x4.com/departments/extreme_view/tread_lightly.html
The main benefit, as I see it, as Mike points out is the two
delegates to the UFWDA convention. How would AZVJC select
delegates? In many cases the association-level members substantially
assist in paying for delegates to attend the annual convention.
Would a candidate for a delegate position have to be willing to self-
fund his or her participation in the annual convention? Is AZVJC
willing to fund the delegates' vacations to the annual conference and
wheeling? I think there are number of issues for a non-organization
organization trying to behave like an organization.
Just my $0.0005 or less.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> How much interest would there be in having the AzVJC join United as
an
> association.
>
> United's rules don't require us to be incorporated, or organized
any more
> than we already are.
> Rumor has it that we may be able to join for $100/year instead of
the
> typical $10/person/year.
>
> United has been fighting land closures pretty successfully. The
funds to
> join would be completely gathered by voluntary donations. This
would also
> give us a voice (2 delegates?) in United.
>
> Food for thought, if this is possible -- details to come.
>
> - Mike
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62707 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:34pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
What part of the valley are you in?
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
> Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
> go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
> 90YJ
> 2.5L
> 4" susp. Lift
> 2" Body Lift
> 33" AT's
> NO SYE
>
> Thanks Allan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62708 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:35pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
But then again you have square headlights so maybe a parking lot curb would
be best for you.
<BIG GRIN>
flame suit on.
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
> Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
> go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
> 90YJ
> 2.5L
> 4" susp. Lift
> 2" Body Lift
> 33" AT's
> NO SYE
>
> Thanks Allan
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62709 From: allanalxndr <ajalex15@c...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: Re: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
North West
Peoria - Near 83rd and Deer Valley
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe Kearney" <Joe-CJ7@j...> wrote:
> What part of the valley are you in?
>
> Joe Kearney
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "allanalxndr" <ajalex15@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:31 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
>
>
> > Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like
to
> > go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for
beginners?
> > 90YJ
> > 2.5L
> > 4" susp. Lift
> > 2" Body Lift
> > 33" AT's
> > NO SYE
> >
> > Thanks Allan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
62710 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Aug 9, 2002 1:37pm
Subject: RE: Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Allan,
Check out the club website. Any run 3 will be doable. With some
experience you will quickly move to 3.5 and some 4 rated trails.
www.azvjc.org
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: allanalxndr [mailto:ajalex15@c...]
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 1:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Easy(ier) AZ trails for beginner
Hey Guys. Not sure of all of the trails around yet. I would like to
go and wheel more, just not sure what trails are more for beginners?
90YJ 2.5L 4" susp. Lift 2" Body Lift 33" AT's NO SYE
Thanks Allan
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