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62461 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: [FS] ARB compressor
Price: $125.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
ARB compressor. only used 2 or 3 times.
Allan Hofer
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62462 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:27pm
Subject: RE: Need an Education on GPS
Ed,
Ive had 3 GPS receivers over the past 8 years (or there abouts). I do NOT claim to be any kind of expert on them. As with most electronic things these days, they revise them and push out models faster than I can keep up with them. LOL
A couple of things I learned over the years that I would want in a basic GPS receiver.
The ability to use vehicle power (usually uses a cigarette lighter cable) so that batteries last MUCH longer.
External antenna. While not always needed, it sucks bad when you do need one and you have no external antenna connector on the receiver.
Enough memory to load a sizeable amount of info. (that is a pretty vague statement since various brands store their data in different ways&.that means 16MB of memory in one brand may not be the same as 16MB in another brand.)
An easy to use button interface (some personal preference is involved here).
Backlit buttons and display for use at night.
What you already said&compatability with your favorite mapping software.
Ive had Garmin receives over the years and am comfortable using them. ScottK and JoeyK both use Magellan and they sure enjoy theirs as well.
Perhaps the best piece of advice I can give you is http://joe.mehaffey.com/ which is probably THE best GPS web site available. Spend some time there&.tons of FAQs, product reviews, etc. After you get an idea about what is available, check back with the VJC folks and see what they are using.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Need an Education on GPS
The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value? all input is welcome.
Garmin
Eagle/Lowrance
Magellan
Thanks in advance
Ed
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62463 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: RE: Need an Education on GPS
Ed how 'bout this... If you're not in too much of a hurry wait till the Annual CK Run, you are signed up for this aren't you, and I'll be happy to show you my GPS, as I am sure other will be, and you can compare brands and models. Drop an Email to Gary Holmes as I think he has a really nice set up and has been using GPS for some time. Unfortunately he is not going to make the CK run.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Need an Education on GPS
The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value? all input is welcome.
Garmin
Eagle/Lowrance
Magellan
Thanks in advance
Ed
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62464 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: RE: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it&.not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now&the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So&.my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes&.both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element&.the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws&..and as she said&the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want&.divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, United we stand, divided we fall . I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
roadrunners
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62465 From: jansonsxj <jansonsxj@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: Re: oooohh...somebody got tagged :)
-
-- In az_vjc@y..., sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> Well..as much as hated to do it...I got rid of my tag that Rick
norman was
> so kind to give me. And in good old Jim and Rick fashion I
delivered it
> straight to the recipients driveway hehehe... so everyone beware
of a Red XJ
> that looks like it should be my tow rig :)
>
> Sharky
Sharky
you wish it was your tow rig. I didnt have it for long,found some
yj owner under his hood and passed it on to him.it was a green yj
with yellow bars. :-)
jason
62466 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: [FS] 1993 Grand Cherokee
Price: $7,400
Contact: Sam Williams 602/578-0600
4 Wheel Drive; New 3" Tuff Country lift &; Doetsch shocks; 32 x 11.50 tires; tow package; 4.0L engine rebuilt in 2002; forest green; new Pioneer stereo system.
Driven to Moab in April '02; did lots of trails, have pictures of this vehicle going up and down Lions Back.
602578-0600 - 602/578-9758
Sam Williams
62467 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: [Tech] 1998 jeep wrangler sport - Tires, rims, lifts and shocks
I am a rookie jeepster fanatic and want to start small and upgrade my wranglers tires and shocks, which are currently P215 75r15 wrangler AT/S and stock shocks. Is there a good all terrain tire in that size that will be better for off roading than what I currently have with out adding lifts and new rims, but still give me a decent hwy ride? Please advise on shocks.
I am eventually interested in adding a 2.5 or 3" lift but know this will incur costs of larger tires &; rims. Maybe I should just suck it up and plan for the cost of larger tires, rims, lift, and shocks all at once?
Also whats the best lift kit for an effective 3.0 offroad ride without sacrificing to much on hwy ride?
To effectively run a 3.0+ trail do I need a lift?
Please advise this offroad jeep rookie.
Heather Moore
62468 From: AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:35pm
Subject: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
Price: $50/pair
Contact: azjeep@cox.net
New, never used OEM TJ rotors. Cost at Darner's with AzVJC discount is $50 each. Will sell for $50/pair.
Doug Ballard
62469 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:40pm
Subject: Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
So what axles did you swap in Doug?
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...> wrote:
>
62470 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: money to burn on jeep stuff
Your not going to get any arguments on stability from me. The thing is,
Josh wants to run 35's and still maintain a comfortable driving environment.
You told him that it was not fun... I think it is (if done right). Given
you can expect to spend more money on gas, there is more wear and tear on
steering components and knuckle ball joints. But as far as cruising on the
freeway at 75mph with 35" tires...no issue. When doing so, it is not a bad
idea to compensate with new gears in the pigs and larger brakes (preferable
larger axles also). All this said, you can make a suitable daily driver if
you spend the cash and do it right. After all, Josh wants to have a
compromise between road and trail.
--Steve (Just from experience of driving my cadillac riding YJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Steve,
Lifts (of any type) and taller tires all raise the center-of-gravity. The
higher the center-of-gravity, without the appropriate increases in track and
wheelbase, make a vehicle (any vehicle) less stable.
Also a wider tire, unless designed for wet surfaces (or, for that matter,
any equal tire), is more likely to aquaplane. Another aspect of less
stability.
Just as most sports cars setup for track racing, or even rallying, are not
ideal for highways - the same is true of Jeeps setup to crawl rocks or play
in the mud.
Its like weapons. A 9 mm is a good all around defensive sidearm. A .44 is
till a sidearm but could be sued for some types of hunting. But it starts
getting very uncomfortable if you had to carry it all day everyday. You
would much rather carry the nine.
Jeeps are no different. You can modify them all you want. But most of the
mods will make the vehicle less suitable for daily driving.
And using the original poster as an example, he's driving about 2.5 times
the US average. That's a lot of hours to which I would hate to add much
discomfort.
As I said, JMO, FWIW, YMMV
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:02
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> I have to disagree with some of this. If done right, 35's and 4.56 gears
> can be just as comfortable to drive as stock. SOA YJ's (like mine) ride
> pretty damn nice.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> Josh,
>
> Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do everything.
> Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
>
> On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list is,
I
> frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road vs.
> the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize the
more
> "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> simultaneously.
>
> One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56 gears,
> Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
>
> Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving) with
> your Jeep that you have failed?"
>
> Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves your
> primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> trails.
>
> That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your present
> setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
roads,
> trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I don't
do
> monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
4.5"
> lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the other
> typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ, but
I
> also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
>
> Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
weight
> the type of mods.
>
> JMO, FWIW.
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > I need to figure out is on what?
> >
> > What I currently have:
> > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > What I would like to end up with:
> > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need as
> > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > the freeway.
> >
> > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> >
> > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> >
> > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Josh Wooten
> > 99 TJ
>
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62471 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: [FS] got free tires?
Price: ???
Contact: jimbobac@msn.com
IM LOOKING FOR SOME 31'S OR 32'S FOR MY 99 T.J AS LONG AS THEY HOLD AIR, I WOULD LIKE THEM. PREFERABLY ON WHEELS BUT IF NOT THATS FINE. I KNOW SOMEONE OUT THERE JUST BOUGHT SOME NEW ONES AND IS LOOKING TO GET RID OF THEIR OLD ONES. E-MAIL ME OR YOU CAN LEAVE A MESSAGE AT (480)354-7464
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME...
JAMES
James Hunt
62472 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
:o)
r/c high pinion D44 up front w/ chromoly 30 spline inners and outers, CTM
joints, and Warn 5 on 5.5 hubs. In the rear I'm doing the 33 spline Super 44
w/ Detroit. I'll be moving my rear ARB up front. Hope to have it all done in
a couple of weeks. Building up the front axle now. The S44 w/ Detroit should
be here next week. TracTech finally got the 33 spline lockers shipped (week
ago) to Superior.
I'll be selling D30 shafts, including Warn D30 chromoly inners, and D44
shafts as soon as my other stuff is here...so stay tuned....
Happy Trails,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
> So what axles did you swap in Doug?
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...> wrote:
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62473 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:08pm
Subject: RE: money to burn on jeep stuff
Josh,
That is a fair amount of mileage for sure. To be honest, I am not sure
I would want to do that much mileage a year in any vehicle.....even a
stock Jeep. LOL
However, if I wanted something that splits the difference between
highway and good off-road performance, I would go with a RE long arm kit
and your 35" tires. 4.56 gears will get the tires down the road better
than factory gearing. Heck, I've pulled 21+ MPG with my '98 4.0, 5
speed (with a friendly tail wind!) pushing 35" MT/Rs with 4.56 gears.
(I don't have a long arm kit, in case you were wondering.)
I am running 3.5" back spaced rims....which push the tires out a bit
more than most folks care for (seems like 4.5" is more popular).
Lots and lots of choices for sure. I'm sure one else will chime in with
some other ideas for you to kick around.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:55 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Your not going to get any arguments on stability from me. The thing is,
Josh wants to run 35's and still maintain a comfortable driving
environment.
You told him that it was not fun... I think it is (if done right).
Given
you can expect to spend more money on gas, there is more wear and tear
on
steering components and knuckle ball joints. But as far as cruising on
the
freeway at 75mph with 35" tires...no issue. When doing so, it is not a
bad
idea to compensate with new gears in the pigs and larger brakes
(preferable
larger axles also). All this said, you can make a suitable daily driver
if
you spend the cash and do it right. After all, Josh wants to have a
compromise between road and trail.
--Steve (Just from experience of driving my cadillac riding YJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Steve,
Lifts (of any type) and taller tires all raise the center-of-gravity.
The
higher the center-of-gravity, without the appropriate increases in track
and
wheelbase, make a vehicle (any vehicle) less stable.
Also a wider tire, unless designed for wet surfaces (or, for that
matter,
any equal tire), is more likely to aquaplane. Another aspect of less
stability.
Just as most sports cars setup for track racing, or even rallying, are
not
ideal for highways - the same is true of Jeeps setup to crawl rocks or
play
in the mud.
Its like weapons. A 9 mm is a good all around defensive sidearm. A .44
is
till a sidearm but could be sued for some types of hunting. But it
starts
getting very uncomfortable if you had to carry it all day everyday. You
would much rather carry the nine.
Jeeps are no different. You can modify them all you want. But most of
the
mods will make the vehicle less suitable for daily driving.
And using the original poster as an example, he's driving about 2.5
times
the US average. That's a lot of hours to which I would hate to add much
discomfort.
As I said, JMO, FWIW, YMMV
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:02
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> I have to disagree with some of this. If done right, 35's and 4.56
gears
> can be just as comfortable to drive as stock. SOA YJ's (like mine)
ride
> pretty damn nice.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> Josh,
>
> Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do
everything.
> Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
>
> On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list
is,
I
> frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road
vs.
> the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize
the
more
> "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> simultaneously.
>
> One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56
gears,
> Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
>
> Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving)
with
> your Jeep that you have failed?"
>
> Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves
your
> primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> trails.
>
> That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your
present
> setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
roads,
> trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I
don't
do
> monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
4.5"
> lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the
other
> typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ,
but
I
> also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
>
> Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
weight
> the type of mods.
>
> JMO, FWIW.
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > I need to figure out is on what?
> >
> > What I currently have:
> > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > What I would like to end up with:
> > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need
as
> > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > the freeway.
> >
> > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> >
> > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> >
> > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Josh Wooten
> > 99 TJ
>
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62474 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Need an Education on GPS
Garmin and Magellan would be my choice, I've found that Magellan's
post sales support is pretty good, I called because someone had
stolen the datalink cable from the unit I purchased and they sent me
a new one with no hastle. I've never dealt with Garmin so they might
be just as good, IMO cust service is only as good as the rep you get
on the phone and that can very a lot within the same company.
I have a Magellan 315, its an entry level model and it serves me
just fine, if you want to use some kind of mapping software, I've
heard that Garmin has better displays that those on Magellans, but
again I don't know first had. I can plug mine into my laptop and
that beats any GPS screen.
I'll be happy to show you how I use mine, I live in the east valley
and will be joining the CK run on the 17th. Let me know if I can
help. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "CoyotEddie" <coyoteddie@e...> wrote:
> The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta
machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not
know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
>
> The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but
have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value?
all input is welcome.
>
> Garmin
> Eagle/Lowrance
> Magellan
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ed
62475 From: <scamp89245@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 5:22pm
Subject: Re: your article in AZRepupblic , 8/7/2002
Good job Stu!
Steven
In a message dated 8/7/02 3:09:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, solson8@qwest.net writes:
Ms. Leonard,
I read your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's newspaper.
Although I am not a "geocacher", I am aware of the popularity it has gained
over the past years. With the improvements in GPS receivers and their drop
in price, it is certainly easy to be the proud owner of one of these little
beauties.
One item was incorrectly reported in your article. You stated (on page A2)
that "Geocaching began in May 2000 when the Clinton administration
unscrambled the electronic signals of the government-owned global
positioning sytem, allowing civilians to use devices to steer cars or find
missing hikers with pinpoint accuracy." While it is true that geocaching
may very well have started in May, 2000, it was not because of any actions
taken by the Clinton Administration. On or about May 1, 2002, then
President Clinton lifted the requirement that caused the intentional
degradation in the accuracy of the GPS signal. Neither he nor his
administration can be given any kind of credit for making the GPS technology
available to the civilian population and its subsequent use for steering
cars or finding lost hikers. I was using a consumer grade GPS receiver long
before May 1, 2000. As to your comment about it being able to steer a
car....no...no...no! Would you feel confident in a car with a "steering
system" that could guide your vehicle to within an accuracy of 6 to 20 feet?
(those are your numbers, not mine) Thank you but no....I prefer to "steer"
my vehicle with more precision than that. I am afraid that a 6 to 20 foot
error would very well put me into the path of dangerous oncoming traffic.
But, enough about the basics of GPS reception. I need to get to the point
of this correspondence.
As an environmentalist that fully enjoys virtually everything our public
lands have to offer, I am saddened to hear that some irresponsible people
are leaving their trash behind, making new trails, and even picking up
native artifacts they find in a geocache area. I wonder how many of these
people are familiar with the laws concerning removing an item from an
archaeological site? I can tell you, from first hand experience, that many
people have no idea that driving across the desert or up a big hill, where
there is no trail, is unlawful in most of Arizona. I can speak to people
leaving their trash behind....any road trip down I-10 or I-17 will yield
supporting evidence that people certainly do litter.
The main point I found quite interesting is the apparent blame that your
article places on those people that are participating in the geocaching
sport (I guess we can call it a sport?)
Let's first look at the facts you stated in the article:
1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that
are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were
actually on a site)
2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa
County.
3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not
including those on Tribal lands.
4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept
secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to
sign a confidentiality agreement.
So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying.
1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an
archaeological site in this state.
2. Virtually no one, except the trusted site stewards and specific land
management officials, no where the archaeological sites are.....and we have
one or two site stewards (that you interviewed) that are upset because three
and one half hundreths of just one percent of the total geocache sites in
Arizona happen to be put on these secret archaeological sites.
It is sad that the geocachers are being held up as those that are ruining
our archaeological sites but yet we won't tell them where the sites are so
they wouldn't accidentally put their cache "at or near" an archaeological
site. I realize this might very well be a damned if you do, damned if you
don't kind of situation, but please apply some common sense here. Your
article indicates that many of the Arizona geocaches are in remote
locations....places that are difficult to get to. So, we then say shame on
the geocachers for picking a challenging location to hide their
cache.....and when it just happens to be on a secret archaeological site
that no one told them about.....and it is their fault? You've got to be
kidding, right?
Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to
look at it is:
1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't
complete high school?
2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a
Phoenix intersection ran the red light?
I do commend you for reporting that Mr. Brian Cluff, a person who helps run
AZgeocaching.com, has not been contacted or notified about the apparent
problem that is occuring at or near the secret archaeological sites.
However, it is sad that the amount of text you devoted to Mr. Cluff is
approximately 0.0357143% of your article. None the less....I am certain
that all reading it will in no way be biased by this.
Now that you have identified this problem, what are the paper's plans to
help correct it? From what was written, it appears that a strong push
towards educating those that enjoy geocaching would certainly go a long way
in correcting this problem. Perhaps some public awareness commercials on
the local TV stations (maybe even radio too) would make more aware of their
inapropriate actions. Remeber, we have people randomly hiding little
tuperware containers of goodies on secret archaeological sites that they
have no knowledge of.
I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be
implemented to help curb this problem.
King Regards,
Stu Olson
Phoenix
62476 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:47pm
Subject: Re: money to burn on jeep stuff
The idea of looking at building a 4x4 from a rational point of view and
mentioning things like "on-road" stability, performance, and comfort is
absolutely asinine and juvenile! I am sick and tired of people bringing
up these useless concepts. It's wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Is that better? <VBG> LOL!!
Linda
"Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> I always like folks who agree with me, but, I didn't say the "best" have (or
> don't have) any mods in particular.
>
> My point was only that beyond a certain point, with certain modifications,
> you begin to seriously degrade the "on-road" stability, performance, and
> comfort.
>
> So I don't mind getting flamed, but let it be for what I meant, not
> something else...<G>
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> To: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:55
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
> > I argee with Garrison. The best 4x4s have moderate lifts (2-3") and 33"
> > tires. After that you start the transition of converting your TJ from a
> > nice 4x4 to a money pit. Sure it looks cool, but you better have a good
> > income to be able to afford its upkeep.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > "Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
> > >
> > > Josh,
> > >
> > > Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do
> everything.
> > > Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> > > Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> > > anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
> > >
> > > On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list
> is, I
> > > frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road
> vs.
> > > the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize the
> more
> > > "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> > > simultaneously.
> > >
> > > One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56
> gears,
> > > Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
> > >
> > > Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving)
> with
> > > your Jeep that you have failed?"
> > >
> > > Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves
> your
> > > primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> > > trails.
> > >
> > > That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your
> present
> > > setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
> roads,
> > > trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I don't
> do
> > > monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
> 4.5"
> > > lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the other
> > > typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ,
> but I
> > > also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
> > >
> > > Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
> weight
> > > the type of mods.
> > >
> > > JMO, FWIW.
> > >
> > > Gunslinger
> > >
> > > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > > > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > > > I need to figure out is on what?
> > > >
> > > > What I currently have:
> > > > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > > > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > > > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > > > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > > > What I would like to end up with:
> > > > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > > > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > > > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need as
> > > > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > > > the freeway.
> > > >
> > > > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> > > >
> > > > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > > > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> > > >
> > > > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Josh Wooten
> > > > 99 TJ
>
>
>
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62477 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: [FS] Tires and Rims
Price: $800 OBO
Contact: Brett Hawkins e-mail gbhawk9@yahoo.com
5 Centerline Hellcat rims (polished) w/ 33x12.50x15 BFG All Terrains. Rims are in good shape. One tire is brand new. Two tires have 60% tread left and two tires have 40% tread left. No sidewall cuts or any kind of repairs have ever been made to the tires. They do have some rock rash. Rims will fit 5 on 4.5 or 5.5.
Brett Hawkins
62478 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:00pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1998 jeep wrangler sport - Tires, rims, lifts and shocks
What Size Motor do you have?
If it's the 4cyl I have some springs
and shocks(stock) from my 6CYl
That will make your ride a little
better. I think all you need are the shocks
but anyhow I'd love to get rid of them.
Let me know.
Mike H. 02 TJ
62479 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:02pm
Subject: Re: [FS] got free tires?
I have 2 well used 31 10.50 all terrains sitting in my back yard.
All you have to do is get them UN-mounted from the rims they are on
and bring the rims back and they are yours for free.
Mike H. 02 Tj Mesa
-
-- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
>
62480 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: [FS] NEED TO SELL YJ HARDTOP
Price: $875.00 obo
Contact: offroadsundevil5@aol.com or 520-296-2966
Great Shape Black Hardtop, tinted windows, with rear windhshield wiper and all bolts and hardware. Call to come check it out, will fit any 87-95 YJ!
Erik Vasquez
62481 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:15pm
Subject: Need 5 on 4.5" Rims ASAP
Anyone have a couple of 5 on 4.5" rims laying around they don't need? I need a couple of spares for my trailer. I am going to the Rubicon Trail Saturday. TIA
602-284-0738
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62482 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: oooohh...somebody got tagged :)
Well it should be easy to see him coming :)
Sharky
62483 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Thanks To Todd McCullen @ Desert Fab
Just wanted to send out a public thanks to Todd M. for all the help and fab work on my SM 420 swap. If you haven't had the chance to meet Todd, you are missing out. He is very customer service oriented and extremely easy to deal with. BTW the SM 420 with it's 7.05/1 low gear is awesome. I doubled my crawl ratio and strengthened a weak point in the drive train.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62484 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:48pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Since this effects both Geocaching and 4x4 groups I thought I would also put this on AZVJC list for your Ideas.
Ok, How about instead of fingerpointing and bashing. Why dont we schedule a
meeting and trip
to meet with the accusers and the media to view the trash they say is caused
by geocaching. And
I would volunteer to help with a cleanup of the areas affected. I a Member
of the Jeep club and
I also enjoy Geocaching. I personally would hate for either group to be
blamed for causing this
kind of damage.
I just moved to the Phoenix area in April and have yet to go Caching. My
twins love to go out
and 'Treasure Hunt' as they call it. We have hit several sites where we
moved from in Central
Florida. We always took garbage bag with us to clean up the mess in the
area. While in
Florida I placed a cache in an area that looked like a small garbage dump.
When I placed the
cache I took out several bags of garbage., and put a note on the web site
that the area had alot
of trash. Every time I went back to check on the cache the trash was quickly
being cleaned up.
When I left Florida I checked the cache area and It was almost like there
had never been trash
there at all. One reason I put the cache in that place was to help clean out
the area. And it worked
very well. It not only provided a good time for poeple searching it also
cleaned up the area dramatically.
I think we could better our image if we were to meet with the officials in
the area and help clean up
the area. It would NOT be a sign that we were guilty of the mess but a sign
that we really care about
this problem and dont want to have a bad picture of our Hobby.
I am not fimiliar with indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs area. I
probabally wouldnt know one
if I was standing in one. I would love to visit one and I definatelly would
not want to destroy and areas
of this type, and I think most others feel the same. I could be a good idea
to know for our group to
know what to look form so we stay away from them. We could schedule this
tripand have a BBQ to
promote the Hobby and help Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department
to educate others
about these types of areas.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it….not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now…the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So….my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes….both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element….the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws…..and as she said…the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want….divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, “United we stand, divided we fall”. I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
roadrunners
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62485 From: robert mcneeley <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:59pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
What is Geocaching?
Robert
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62461 From: AzVJC Website <alhofer@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:12pm
Subject: [FS] ARB compressor
Price: $125.
Contact: Allan 480 969 7910
ARB compressor. only used 2 or 3 times.
Allan Hofer
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62462 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:27pm
Subject: RE: Need an Education on GPS
Ed,
Ive had 3 GPS receivers over the past 8 years (or there abouts). I do NOT claim to be any kind of expert on them. As with most electronic things these days, they revise them and push out models faster than I can keep up with them. LOL
A couple of things I learned over the years that I would want in a basic GPS receiver.
The ability to use vehicle power (usually uses a cigarette lighter cable) so that batteries last MUCH longer.
External antenna. While not always needed, it sucks bad when you do need one and you have no external antenna connector on the receiver.
Enough memory to load a sizeable amount of info. (that is a pretty vague statement since various brands store their data in different ways&.that means 16MB of memory in one brand may not be the same as 16MB in another brand.)
An easy to use button interface (some personal preference is involved here).
Backlit buttons and display for use at night.
What you already said&compatability with your favorite mapping software.
Ive had Garmin receives over the years and am comfortable using them. ScottK and JoeyK both use Magellan and they sure enjoy theirs as well.
Perhaps the best piece of advice I can give you is http://joe.mehaffey.com/ which is probably THE best GPS web site available. Spend some time there&.tons of FAQs, product reviews, etc. After you get an idea about what is available, check back with the VJC folks and see what they are using.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Need an Education on GPS
The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value? all input is welcome.
Garmin
Eagle/Lowrance
Magellan
Thanks in advance
Ed
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62463 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: RE: Need an Education on GPS
Ed how 'bout this... If you're not in too much of a hurry wait till the Annual CK Run, you are signed up for this aren't you, and I'll be happy to show you my GPS, as I am sure other will be, and you can compare brands and models. Drop an Email to Gary Holmes as I think he has a really nice set up and has been using GPS for some time. Unfortunately he is not going to make the CK run.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie [mailto:coyoteddie@earthlink.net]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 6:51 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: [az_vjc] Need an Education on GPS
The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value? all input is welcome.
Garmin
Eagle/Lowrance
Magellan
Thanks in advance
Ed
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62464 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: RE: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it&.not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now&the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So&.my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes&.both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element&.the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws&..and as she said&the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want&.divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, United we stand, divided we fall . I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
roadrunners
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62465 From: jansonsxj <jansonsxj@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: Re: oooohh...somebody got tagged :)
-
-- In az_vjc@y..., sharxjeep@c... wrote:
> Well..as much as hated to do it...I got rid of my tag that Rick
norman was
> so kind to give me. And in good old Jim and Rick fashion I
delivered it
> straight to the recipients driveway hehehe... so everyone beware
of a Red XJ
> that looks like it should be my tow rig :)
>
> Sharky
Sharky
you wish it was your tow rig. I didnt have it for long,found some
yj owner under his hood and passed it on to him.it was a green yj
with yellow bars. :-)
jason
62466 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:01pm
Subject: [FS] 1993 Grand Cherokee
Price: $7,400
Contact: Sam Williams 602/578-0600
4 Wheel Drive; New 3" Tuff Country lift &; Doetsch shocks; 32 x 11.50 tires; tow package; 4.0L engine rebuilt in 2002; forest green; new Pioneer stereo system.
Driven to Moab in April '02; did lots of trails, have pictures of this vehicle going up and down Lions Back.
602578-0600 - 602/578-9758
Sam Williams
62467 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:18pm
Subject: [Tech] 1998 jeep wrangler sport - Tires, rims, lifts and shocks
I am a rookie jeepster fanatic and want to start small and upgrade my wranglers tires and shocks, which are currently P215 75r15 wrangler AT/S and stock shocks. Is there a good all terrain tire in that size that will be better for off roading than what I currently have with out adding lifts and new rims, but still give me a decent hwy ride? Please advise on shocks.
I am eventually interested in adding a 2.5 or 3" lift but know this will incur costs of larger tires &; rims. Maybe I should just suck it up and plan for the cost of larger tires, rims, lift, and shocks all at once?
Also whats the best lift kit for an effective 3.0 offroad ride without sacrificing to much on hwy ride?
To effectively run a 3.0+ trail do I need a lift?
Please advise this offroad jeep rookie.
Heather Moore
62468 From: AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:35pm
Subject: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
Price: $50/pair
Contact: azjeep@cox.net
New, never used OEM TJ rotors. Cost at Darner's with AzVJC discount is $50 each. Will sell for $50/pair.
Doug Ballard
62469 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:40pm
Subject: Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
So what axles did you swap in Doug?
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...> wrote:
>
62470 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 8:54pm
Subject: RE: money to burn on jeep stuff
Your not going to get any arguments on stability from me. The thing is,
Josh wants to run 35's and still maintain a comfortable driving environment.
You told him that it was not fun... I think it is (if done right). Given
you can expect to spend more money on gas, there is more wear and tear on
steering components and knuckle ball joints. But as far as cruising on the
freeway at 75mph with 35" tires...no issue. When doing so, it is not a bad
idea to compensate with new gears in the pigs and larger brakes (preferable
larger axles also). All this said, you can make a suitable daily driver if
you spend the cash and do it right. After all, Josh wants to have a
compromise between road and trail.
--Steve (Just from experience of driving my cadillac riding YJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Steve,
Lifts (of any type) and taller tires all raise the center-of-gravity. The
higher the center-of-gravity, without the appropriate increases in track and
wheelbase, make a vehicle (any vehicle) less stable.
Also a wider tire, unless designed for wet surfaces (or, for that matter,
any equal tire), is more likely to aquaplane. Another aspect of less
stability.
Just as most sports cars setup for track racing, or even rallying, are not
ideal for highways - the same is true of Jeeps setup to crawl rocks or play
in the mud.
Its like weapons. A 9 mm is a good all around defensive sidearm. A .44 is
till a sidearm but could be sued for some types of hunting. But it starts
getting very uncomfortable if you had to carry it all day everyday. You
would much rather carry the nine.
Jeeps are no different. You can modify them all you want. But most of the
mods will make the vehicle less suitable for daily driving.
And using the original poster as an example, he's driving about 2.5 times
the US average. That's a lot of hours to which I would hate to add much
discomfort.
As I said, JMO, FWIW, YMMV
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:02
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> I have to disagree with some of this. If done right, 35's and 4.56 gears
> can be just as comfortable to drive as stock. SOA YJ's (like mine) ride
> pretty damn nice.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> Josh,
>
> Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do everything.
> Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
>
> On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list is,
I
> frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road vs.
> the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize the
more
> "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> simultaneously.
>
> One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56 gears,
> Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
>
> Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving) with
> your Jeep that you have failed?"
>
> Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves your
> primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> trails.
>
> That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your present
> setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
roads,
> trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I don't
do
> monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
4.5"
> lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the other
> typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ, but
I
> also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
>
> Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
weight
> the type of mods.
>
> JMO, FWIW.
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > I need to figure out is on what?
> >
> > What I currently have:
> > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > What I would like to end up with:
> > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need as
> > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > the freeway.
> >
> > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> >
> > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> >
> > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Josh Wooten
> > 99 TJ
>
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62471 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:00pm
Subject: [FS] got free tires?
Price: ???
Contact: jimbobac@msn.com
IM LOOKING FOR SOME 31'S OR 32'S FOR MY 99 T.J AS LONG AS THEY HOLD AIR, I WOULD LIKE THEM. PREFERABLY ON WHEELS BUT IF NOT THATS FINE. I KNOW SOMEONE OUT THERE JUST BOUGHT SOME NEW ONES AND IS LOOKING TO GET RID OF THEIR OLD ONES. E-MAIL ME OR YOU CAN LEAVE A MESSAGE AT (480)354-7464
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME...
JAMES
James Hunt
62472 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
:o)
r/c high pinion D44 up front w/ chromoly 30 spline inners and outers, CTM
joints, and Warn 5 on 5.5 hubs. In the rear I'm doing the 33 spline Super 44
w/ Detroit. I'll be moving my rear ARB up front. Hope to have it all done in
a couple of weeks. Building up the front axle now. The S44 w/ Detroit should
be here next week. TracTech finally got the 33 spline lockers shipped (week
ago) to Superior.
I'll be selling D30 shafts, including Warn D30 chromoly inners, and D44
shafts as soon as my other stuff is here...so stay tuned....
Happy Trails,
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:40 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [FS] OEM TJ Rotors
> So what axles did you swap in Doug?
>
> Scott Maiden
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azjeep@c...> wrote:
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
62473 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:08pm
Subject: RE: money to burn on jeep stuff
Josh,
That is a fair amount of mileage for sure. To be honest, I am not sure
I would want to do that much mileage a year in any vehicle.....even a
stock Jeep. LOL
However, if I wanted something that splits the difference between
highway and good off-road performance, I would go with a RE long arm kit
and your 35" tires. 4.56 gears will get the tires down the road better
than factory gearing. Heck, I've pulled 21+ MPG with my '98 4.0, 5
speed (with a friendly tail wind!) pushing 35" MT/Rs with 4.56 gears.
(I don't have a long arm kit, in case you were wondering.)
I am running 3.5" back spaced rims....which push the tires out a bit
more than most folks care for (seems like 4.5" is more popular).
Lots and lots of choices for sure. I'm sure one else will chime in with
some other ideas for you to kick around.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Meyer [mailto:steve.j.meyer@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 8:55 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Your not going to get any arguments on stability from me. The thing is,
Josh wants to run 35's and still maintain a comfortable driving
environment.
You told him that it was not fun... I think it is (if done right).
Given
you can expect to spend more money on gas, there is more wear and tear
on
steering components and knuckle ball joints. But as far as cruising on
the
freeway at 75mph with 35" tires...no issue. When doing so, it is not a
bad
idea to compensate with new gears in the pigs and larger brakes
(preferable
larger axles also). All this said, you can make a suitable daily driver
if
you spend the cash and do it right. After all, Josh wants to have a
compromise between road and trail.
--Steve (Just from experience of driving my cadillac riding YJ)
-----Original Message-----
From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
Steve,
Lifts (of any type) and taller tires all raise the center-of-gravity.
The
higher the center-of-gravity, without the appropriate increases in track
and
wheelbase, make a vehicle (any vehicle) less stable.
Also a wider tire, unless designed for wet surfaces (or, for that
matter,
any equal tire), is more likely to aquaplane. Another aspect of less
stability.
Just as most sports cars setup for track racing, or even rallying, are
not
ideal for highways - the same is true of Jeeps setup to crawl rocks or
play
in the mud.
Its like weapons. A 9 mm is a good all around defensive sidearm. A .44
is
till a sidearm but could be sued for some types of hunting. But it
starts
getting very uncomfortable if you had to carry it all day everyday. You
would much rather carry the nine.
Jeeps are no different. You can modify them all you want. But most of
the
mods will make the vehicle less suitable for daily driving.
And using the original poster as an example, he's driving about 2.5
times
the US average. That's a lot of hours to which I would hate to add much
discomfort.
As I said, JMO, FWIW, YMMV
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Meyer" <steve.j.meyer@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:02
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> I have to disagree with some of this. If done right, 35's and 4.56
gears
> can be just as comfortable to drive as stock. SOA YJ's (like mine)
ride
> pretty damn nice.
>
> --Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Garrison St.Clair [mailto:gunslinger@i...]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> Josh,
>
> Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do
everything.
> Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
>
> On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list
is,
I
> frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road
vs.
> the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize
the
more
> "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> simultaneously.
>
> One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56
gears,
> Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
>
> Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving)
with
> your Jeep that you have failed?"
>
> Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves
your
> primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> trails.
>
> That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your
present
> setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
roads,
> trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I
don't
do
> monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
4.5"
> lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the
other
> typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ,
but
I
> also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
>
> Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
weight
> the type of mods.
>
> JMO, FWIW.
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
>
> > Hello everyone,
> > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > I need to figure out is on what?
> >
> > What I currently have:
> > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > What I would like to end up with:
> > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need
as
> > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > the freeway.
> >
> > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> >
> > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> >
> > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Josh Wooten
> > 99 TJ
>
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62474 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:11pm
Subject: Re: Need an Education on GPS
Garmin and Magellan would be my choice, I've found that Magellan's
post sales support is pretty good, I called because someone had
stolen the datalink cable from the unit I purchased and they sent me
a new one with no hastle. I've never dealt with Garmin so they might
be just as good, IMO cust service is only as good as the rep you get
on the phone and that can very a lot within the same company.
I have a Magellan 315, its an entry level model and it serves me
just fine, if you want to use some kind of mapping software, I've
heard that Garmin has better displays that those on Magellans, but
again I don't know first had. I can plug mine into my laptop and
that beats any GPS screen.
I'll be happy to show you how I use mine, I live in the east valley
and will be joining the CK run on the 17th. Let me know if I can
help. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "CoyotEddie" <coyoteddie@e...> wrote:
> The older crowd (at least me) know about 8 tracks and beta
machines, but nothing about GPS. I understand the basics but do not
know which receiver is better. So any opinions would be helpful.
>
> The 3 brands listed below are compatible with my topo map set but
have many models. What model is the easiest to use? The best value?
all input is welcome.
>
> Garmin
> Eagle/Lowrance
> Magellan
>
> Thanks in advance
> Ed
62475 From: <scamp89245@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 5:22pm
Subject: Re: your article in AZRepupblic , 8/7/2002
Good job Stu!
Steven
In a message dated 8/7/02 3:09:02 PM US Mountain Standard Time, solson8@qwest.net writes:
Ms. Leonard,
I read your "A high-tech scavenger hunt" article in today's newspaper.
Although I am not a "geocacher", I am aware of the popularity it has gained
over the past years. With the improvements in GPS receivers and their drop
in price, it is certainly easy to be the proud owner of one of these little
beauties.
One item was incorrectly reported in your article. You stated (on page A2)
that "Geocaching began in May 2000 when the Clinton administration
unscrambled the electronic signals of the government-owned global
positioning sytem, allowing civilians to use devices to steer cars or find
missing hikers with pinpoint accuracy." While it is true that geocaching
may very well have started in May, 2000, it was not because of any actions
taken by the Clinton Administration. On or about May 1, 2002, then
President Clinton lifted the requirement that caused the intentional
degradation in the accuracy of the GPS signal. Neither he nor his
administration can be given any kind of credit for making the GPS technology
available to the civilian population and its subsequent use for steering
cars or finding lost hikers. I was using a consumer grade GPS receiver long
before May 1, 2000. As to your comment about it being able to steer a
car....no...no...no! Would you feel confident in a car with a "steering
system" that could guide your vehicle to within an accuracy of 6 to 20 feet?
(those are your numbers, not mine) Thank you but no....I prefer to "steer"
my vehicle with more precision than that. I am afraid that a 6 to 20 foot
error would very well put me into the path of dangerous oncoming traffic.
But, enough about the basics of GPS reception. I need to get to the point
of this correspondence.
As an environmentalist that fully enjoys virtually everything our public
lands have to offer, I am saddened to hear that some irresponsible people
are leaving their trash behind, making new trails, and even picking up
native artifacts they find in a geocache area. I wonder how many of these
people are familiar with the laws concerning removing an item from an
archaeological site? I can tell you, from first hand experience, that many
people have no idea that driving across the desert or up a big hill, where
there is no trail, is unlawful in most of Arizona. I can speak to people
leaving their trash behind....any road trip down I-10 or I-17 will yield
supporting evidence that people certainly do litter.
The main point I found quite interesting is the apparent blame that your
article places on those people that are participating in the geocaching
sport (I guess we can call it a sport?)
Let's first look at the facts you stated in the article:
1. There are at least 18 known Arizona caches listed on the Internet that
are on or near archaeological sites. (you didn't mention how many were
actually on a site)
2. There are more than 10,900 known archaeological sites in Maricopa
County.
3. There are more than 50,400 archaeological sites in Arizona, not
including those on Tribal lands.
4. You stated that most of the archaeological locations have been kept
secret for years, and officials have even required a new site steward to
sign a confidentiality agreement.
So...let me see if I understand what you are really saying.
1. 0.0357143% of the geocache sites are located on or near an
archaeological site in this state.
2. Virtually no one, except the trusted site stewards and specific land
management officials, no where the archaeological sites are.....and we have
one or two site stewards (that you interviewed) that are upset because three
and one half hundreths of just one percent of the total geocache sites in
Arizona happen to be put on these secret archaeological sites.
It is sad that the geocachers are being held up as those that are ruining
our archaeological sites but yet we won't tell them where the sites are so
they wouldn't accidentally put their cache "at or near" an archaeological
site. I realize this might very well be a damned if you do, damned if you
don't kind of situation, but please apply some common sense here. Your
article indicates that many of the Arizona geocaches are in remote
locations....places that are difficult to get to. So, we then say shame on
the geocachers for picking a challenging location to hide their
cache.....and when it just happens to be on a secret archaeological site
that no one told them about.....and it is their fault? You've got to be
kidding, right?
Maybe it is not quite as bad as I am led to believe? Perhaps another way to
look at it is:
1. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of our teenage population didn't
complete high school?
2. Wouldn't it be great if only 0.0357143% of the people driving through a
Phoenix intersection ran the red light?
I do commend you for reporting that Mr. Brian Cluff, a person who helps run
AZgeocaching.com, has not been contacted or notified about the apparent
problem that is occuring at or near the secret archaeological sites.
However, it is sad that the amount of text you devoted to Mr. Cluff is
approximately 0.0357143% of your article. None the less....I am certain
that all reading it will in no way be biased by this.
Now that you have identified this problem, what are the paper's plans to
help correct it? From what was written, it appears that a strong push
towards educating those that enjoy geocaching would certainly go a long way
in correcting this problem. Perhaps some public awareness commercials on
the local TV stations (maybe even radio too) would make more aware of their
inapropriate actions. Remeber, we have people randomly hiding little
tuperware containers of goodies on secret archaeological sites that they
have no knowledge of.
I look forward to your next article that outlines the plans that will be
implemented to help curb this problem.
King Regards,
Stu Olson
Phoenix
62476 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:47pm
Subject: Re: money to burn on jeep stuff
The idea of looking at building a 4x4 from a rational point of view and
mentioning things like "on-road" stability, performance, and comfort is
absolutely asinine and juvenile! I am sick and tired of people bringing
up these useless concepts. It's wrong! Wrong! Wrong!
Is that better? <VBG> LOL!!
Linda
"Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
>
> Linda,
>
> I always like folks who agree with me, but, I didn't say the "best" have (or
> don't have) any mods in particular.
>
> My point was only that beyond a certain point, with certain modifications,
> you begin to seriously degrade the "on-road" stability, performance, and
> comfort.
>
> So I don't mind getting flamed, but let it be for what I meant, not
> something else...<G>
>
> Gunslinger
>
> Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
> To: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 20:55
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
>
> > I argee with Garrison. The best 4x4s have moderate lifts (2-3") and 33"
> > tires. After that you start the transition of converting your TJ from a
> > nice 4x4 to a money pit. Sure it looks cool, but you better have a good
> > income to be able to afford its upkeep.
> >
> > Linda
> >
> >
> > "Garrison St.Clair" wrote:
> > >
> > > Josh,
> > >
> > > Its an interesting conundrum; you really want your Jeep to do
> everything.
> > > Smooth, comfy, and nice top end on the road; and big boulders as well.
> > > Complicated by the fact that you are doing high on-road mileage, by
> > > anybody's reckoning - 30K per year.
> > >
> > > On the Jeep list, which is not as "rock crawling" focused as this list
> is, I
> > > frequently ask folks "what percentage of your driving will be on-road
> vs.
> > > the percentage off-road?" Oft times it is that folks don't realize the
> more
> > > "purpose-built" a vehicle becomes, the less "roadable" it becomes
> > > simultaneously.
> > >
> > > One question would be: "Have you driven a 35" tire, 4"+ lift, 4.56
> gears,
> > > Detroit locked Jeep on the highway?" Not fun at all.
> > >
> > > Next question would be: "What have you tried to accomplish (driving)
> with
> > > your Jeep that you have failed?"
> > >
> > > Where you don't want to end up is with a Jeep that know longer serves
> your
> > > primary purpose - daily driver - and doesn't gain you much more on the
> > > trails.
> > >
> > > That said, here is an opinion. My YJ is set up similarly to your
> present
> > > setup. Its quite comfortable on the road and handles most of the bad
> roads,
> > > trails, rocks, mud, sand etc. without many problems. Of course, I don't
> do
> > > monster rocks nor mud bogs. I have driven some well set-up Jeeps with
> 4.5"
> > > lifts, 35" tires, 4.56 gears, lockers front and rear, and all the other
> > > typical mods. They sure do climb over objects more easily than my YJ,
> but I
> > > also never want to drive one in traffic, especially on a wet road.
> > >
> > > Not trying to start a flame war, but I think usage percentages should
> weight
> > > the type of mods.
> > >
> > > JMO, FWIW.
> > >
> > > Gunslinger
> > >
> > > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "pebble007" <jawooten@c...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, 07 August, 2002 14:57
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] money to burn on jeep stuff
> > >
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > > Well hopefully in the next month or so I should come
> > > > across about 2500.00 bucks to put into my jeep (thanks honey). What
> > > > I need to figure out is on what?
> > > >
> > > > What I currently have:
> > > > 3in Procomp spring lift (stock control arms)
> > > > 31x10.50 on ar767 with 4" backspacing
> > > > SYE (putting it in hopefully by end of august)
> > > > 3.73:1 gears in a d30 (f) and D35c (r)
> > > > What I would like to end up with:
> > > > 33-35in tires (prefer 35")
> > > > Enough lift to effectivly run up to 35in tires
> > > > I drive up to 2500 miles per month mostly on the highway so I need as
> > > > smooth of a ride that is possible and be able to maintain 75mph on
> > > > the freeway.
> > > >
> > > > I have a 99TJ auto 6cyl. 55,000 miles
> > > >
> > > > The idea here is to make a good dual purpose vehicle that I can
> > > > depend on both on the trail and the highway.
> > > >
> > > > Any input is appreciated and thanks in advance.
> > > >
> > > > Kind Regards,
> > > > Josh Wooten
> > > > 99 TJ
>
>
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62477 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 9:57pm
Subject: [FS] Tires and Rims
Price: $800 OBO
Contact: Brett Hawkins e-mail gbhawk9@yahoo.com
5 Centerline Hellcat rims (polished) w/ 33x12.50x15 BFG All Terrains. Rims are in good shape. One tire is brand new. Two tires have 60% tread left and two tires have 40% tread left. No sidewall cuts or any kind of repairs have ever been made to the tires. They do have some rock rash. Rims will fit 5 on 4.5 or 5.5.
Brett Hawkins
62478 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:00pm
Subject: Re: [Tech] 1998 jeep wrangler sport - Tires, rims, lifts and shocks
What Size Motor do you have?
If it's the 4cyl I have some springs
and shocks(stock) from my 6CYl
That will make your ride a little
better. I think all you need are the shocks
but anyhow I'd love to get rid of them.
Let me know.
Mike H. 02 TJ
62479 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:02pm
Subject: Re: [FS] got free tires?
I have 2 well used 31 10.50 all terrains sitting in my back yard.
All you have to do is get them UN-mounted from the rims they are on
and bring the rims back and they are yours for free.
Mike H. 02 Tj Mesa
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62480 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: [FS] NEED TO SELL YJ HARDTOP
Price: $875.00 obo
Contact: offroadsundevil5@aol.com or 520-296-2966
Great Shape Black Hardtop, tinted windows, with rear windhshield wiper and all bolts and hardware. Call to come check it out, will fit any 87-95 YJ!
Erik Vasquez
62481 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:15pm
Subject: Need 5 on 4.5" Rims ASAP
Anyone have a couple of 5 on 4.5" rims laying around they don't need? I need a couple of spares for my trailer. I am going to the Rubicon Trail Saturday. TIA
602-284-0738
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62482 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 6:26pm
Subject: Re: Re: oooohh...somebody got tagged :)
Well it should be easy to see him coming :)
Sharky
62483 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Thanks To Todd McCullen @ Desert Fab
Just wanted to send out a public thanks to Todd M. for all the help and fab work on my SM 420 swap. If you haven't had the chance to meet Todd, you are missing out. He is very customer service oriented and extremely easy to deal with. BTW the SM 420 with it's 7.05/1 low gear is awesome. I doubled my crawl ratio and strengthened a weak point in the drive train.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
62484 From: Kyle Hagan <Kyle@s...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:48pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
Since this effects both Geocaching and 4x4 groups I thought I would also put this on AZVJC list for your Ideas.
Ok, How about instead of fingerpointing and bashing. Why dont we schedule a
meeting and trip
to meet with the accusers and the media to view the trash they say is caused
by geocaching. And
I would volunteer to help with a cleanup of the areas affected. I a Member
of the Jeep club and
I also enjoy Geocaching. I personally would hate for either group to be
blamed for causing this
kind of damage.
I just moved to the Phoenix area in April and have yet to go Caching. My
twins love to go out
and 'Treasure Hunt' as they call it. We have hit several sites where we
moved from in Central
Florida. We always took garbage bag with us to clean up the mess in the
area. While in
Florida I placed a cache in an area that looked like a small garbage dump.
When I placed the
cache I took out several bags of garbage., and put a note on the web site
that the area had alot
of trash. Every time I went back to check on the cache the trash was quickly
being cleaned up.
When I left Florida I checked the cache area and It was almost like there
had never been trash
there at all. One reason I put the cache in that place was to help clean out
the area. And it worked
very well. It not only provided a good time for poeple searching it also
cleaned up the area dramatically.
I think we could better our image if we were to meet with the officials in
the area and help clean up
the area. It would NOT be a sign that we were guilty of the mess but a sign
that we really care about
this problem and dont want to have a bad picture of our Hobby.
I am not fimiliar with indian ruins, artifacts and petroglyphs area. I
probabally wouldnt know one
if I was standing in one. I would love to visit one and I definatelly would
not want to destroy and areas
of this type, and I think most others feel the same. I could be a good idea
to know for our group to
know what to look form so we stay away from them. We could schedule this
tripand have a BBQ to
promote the Hobby and help Maricopa County Parks and Recreation Department
to educate others
about these types of areas.
Kyle
----- Original Message -----
From: Stu Olson
To: 'Kyle Hagan' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
While I think I understand what Jean (roadrunners?) may be trying to say, she does, IMHO, need to be careful about how she states her complaint.
While I am certainly an off-road enthusiast, I am not a geocacher. As such, if people are driving quads and 4x4s to geoache locations and causing problems, then it is the geocachers that are doing it….not the off-road enthusiast. (DUH!)
Now…the above statement is about as stupid as the one that Jean (roadrunners?) wrote, IMO. She is, in my opinion, a dangerous element when it comes to these types of discussions. Finger pointing is NOT the way to solve the problem. Off-road enthusiasts AND geocachers BOTH depend on public access to public land. Without it, we are both without a place to recreate (unless you want to geocache or ramp ricers in the city).
So….my advice to dear Jean (roadrunners?) would be to chill out a bit and stop trying to alienate those that may very well be her best ally in this fight to keep our public lands open and accessible.
Yes….both off-road enthusiasts and geocachers share a common element….the moron that drives around on public land with complete disregard for the land or the laws…..and as she said…the ones that toss fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 (at least she got one thing correct). Once Jean (roadrunners?) figures that out, she will, IMO, not come off as the finger-pointing idiot she appears to be now.
She has yet to figure out that what she is doing is exactly what the greenie folks want….divide the opposition into small in-fighting fractured segments and then pick them off, one at a time. As the old saying goes, “United we stand, divided we fall”. I wish someone would explain this to Jean (roadrunners?) before she helps us all to death.
Timber Chucker!
p.s. Kyle, if you want to filter this back towards the source of your original post, please feel free to do so. It will take a ton of talking to convince me that I am wrong on this subject.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Kyle Hagan [mailto:Kyle@spiderfirewall.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 3:38 PM
To: 'AzVJC Website'
Subject: [az_vjc] High Tech scavenger hunt article.
I thought the list might be interested in what some of the people on AzGeocaching.com is responding about this article:
Perhaps the article should have been written about ATVs and 4x4s. We have noticed that there is a definite correlation in the amount of trash and the vehicle access. When you are in areas where you must travel by foot, there is a very small amount of trash. But when you are in areas where vehicles can go, there are always bud light cans by the case and a bunch of other crap one can only wonder why someone took the trouble to haul it way out there, unless it was to use it for target practice and leave it behind. We say TRASHY PEOPLE HAVE TRASHY WAYS. These are the same idiots who throw fast food wrappers out the window on I-17 thinking "someone" else will pick it up. I offer the following rewrite of the article:
An off road vehicle rampage has caused a panic among authorites who say the offroaders are destroying archaelogical sites around the state. Using jeeps and ATVs the slobs can literally drive right to more than 600 sites throughout arizona and vandalize artifacts and throw trash out the window....
Jean
roadrunners
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62485 From: robert mcneeley <rubberside_up309@y...>
Date: Wed Aug 7, 2002 10:59pm
Subject: Re: High Tech scavenger hunt article.
What is Geocaching?
Robert
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