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62236 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
description to include the requirement.
I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Jose,
IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
the mail, as I type.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
very strict in that area about the permits.
> You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
> Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> that your hunting license is also good for access to State
Land.
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62237 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:46pm
Subject: RE: OT: Puppies Going up For Sale
To make it Jeep related...
These would make trail companions when Jeepin'!!
:)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepthang87yj [mailto:jeep_thang@h...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Puppies Going up For Sale
These puppies are not up for sale yet as they are still weening, but
will be going up soon (1st week of Sept). I am just wandering if
anybody in the club would like a first chance of getting one or two.
I don't know much about the puppies as they are my mothers, but they
are very cute. There are 6 Golden and 3 Black Labs for sale, all
puppies are Pure Bread and Papered, AKC Registered both Male and
Female on site, do not know how many of each.
The asking price is between $375.00 and $450.00 each Very Negotiable.
If you are Seriously interested send me an e-mail off list at
larry@d...
I do think that they will reserve puppies for those interested.
The puppies are located in Central Tucson Az.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
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62238 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: State Land Permits West Side sort of
Driven Auto Parts
225 S 35 Ave
Has State Land Permits available
They build mostly Broncos.
62239 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Need a Good reputable Machine Shop
Hey all I need a good reputable Machine shop to repair my Crank out
of my 350 Big block. Spun a bearing and messed up a rod. Will need it
welded and turned and then re-ballanced(and I havn't even gotten the
entire thing tore down). Anyone have a good shop they would
recommend?
BTW This happned while I was evacuating my DAD from Pinetop during
the fires.:(
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Mike H.
62240 From: Brad Gailey <dunefever1@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: 33" Good year MTR's
Jim,
This all depends on what type of rim you have. The
backspacing is very important. Base on the research I
did prior to buying my rims a 4" backspacing works
about the best. 4wheelers supply will also recommend
4" backspacing.
Brad
--- roadrunner4x4 <jishby@m...> wrote:
> Hi All, Does anyone know if 33x12.50 Goodyear
MTR's
> will fit a TJ
> with a 3" lift without rubbing. I have
32x11.50
> BFG's and they
> don't. I have to replace them and am wondering
if
> the 33's will fit
> without a body lift ect. Thanks for any help you
> can give.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
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62241 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
Joey,
If the purpose of what you suggest is for general education about our
trails, then I think that is a good idea. If the purpose is to allow
people without permits to avoid trails that require permits, then I
think I disagree with that.
Maybe people don't realize this but most of the major trail areas around
Phoenix Table Mesa, Forence Junction, Lake Pleasant, White Tanks, etc.
(can't speak for the other areas in the state) include STL. Sooner or
later most wheelers will need a STL permit. Therefore, it makes sense
to me that everyone should just go get one. Besides, I certainly wouldn't
trust our website to tell me if I needed a permit. Why take the risk when
it's so easy to just get the permit and be covered?
However, I think it would be good for more of us to know what land(s) our
trails are on. In fact, it would be highly appropriate. A good general
awareness of this would make us more intelligent at land use meetings and
in other situations where showing our intelligence would benefit us (which
is all of the time).
-Roger
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
> or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
> description to include the requirement.
> I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
> listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJc
62242 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
Good points Roger. In retrospect it is probably a good idea that the web
site not indicate what is STL or not. That way someone would not be able
to say "but my club said it wasn't STL land".
Maybe all the trails should just say something like "You may cross STL
either accessing the trail or on the trail. Check with current maps. If
it does you are required to carry a STL permit for every non family
member or for you immediate family." Or something like that.
Just a thought.
What does everyone else think?
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:46 PM
To: DesertJeep
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Joey,
If the purpose of what you suggest is for general education about our
trails, then I think that is a good idea. If the purpose is to allow
people without permits to avoid trails that require permits, then I
think I disagree with that.
Maybe people don't realize this but most of the major trail areas around
Phoenix Table Mesa, Forence Junction, Lake Pleasant, White Tanks, etc.
(can't speak for the other areas in the state) include STL. Sooner or
later most wheelers will need a STL permit. Therefore, it makes sense
to me that everyone should just go get one. Besides, I certainly
wouldn't trust our website to tell me if I needed a permit. Why take
the risk when it's so easy to just get the permit and be covered?
However, I think it would be good for more of us to know what land(s)
our trails are on. In fact, it would be highly appropriate. A good
general awareness of this would make us more intelligent at land use
meetings and in other situations where showing our intelligence would
benefit us (which is all of the time).
-Roger
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross
> STL or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the
> website description to include the requirement. I think this would
> dramatically increase the quality of our trail listings. Plus it would
> possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJc
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62243 From: tcoble <tcoble@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:48pm
Subject: Re: SURPRISE CANYON NEEDS YOUR HELP
If you ever get the chance to go out there, take it. I took a road
trip out that way a couple of winters back. Man, is that a beautiful
area. I hiked back into the canyon after driving into a 'parking
area'. It's pretty incredible, but I wouldn't even attempt to drive
it. 4.5 miles of narrow and steep, big rocks, at least a 10'
waterfall, and lots of water. Too crazy for me. There is a ghost
town on the way in, Ballarat, thats being kept up and at the top is
Pinamint City, first a bandit hideout in 1873 and then an off and on
mining camp up 'til 1984 when the road was completely washed out.
Pretty cool place. Personally, I think that it should stay the way
it was with a local club organizing a trip once a year under the NPS
guidance. Keep the yahoos who aren't prepared out and keep the place
clean. Probably not a popular opinion but it's mine.
Tim Coble
Tucson
88XJ
62244 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
This is an excellent idea. I never knew anything about STL or permits that
were required until I joined the AZVJC. Listing the required info on each
trail would help insure that AZVJC members wheel responsibly.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Scott Kruize'" <skruize@c...>; "'Stu Olson'" <solson8@q...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
> or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
> description to include the requirement.
> I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
> listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
>
> This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
> responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
> closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
> newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
> them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
>
> Jose,
>
> IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
> no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
> 520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
> application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
> time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
> However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
> across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
> permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
> the mail, as I type.
>
> TC!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
> Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
> their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
> trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
> wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
> to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> > Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
> they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
> Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
> very strict in that area about the permits.
> > You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
>
> > Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
> office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> > The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> > that your hunting license is also good for access to State
> Land.
>
>
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62245 From: Ray Backstrom <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
Come on! It's 20 bucks....If you cant afford 20 bucks, you probably
cant afford to go on the run anyway!! Cheap insurance IMO. We just
picked up our new one today!! (drove to downtown phx to get
it....4-wheel supply (east side) was out of them.
Our 2 cents
Ray and Amanda
ZJ, XJ....whats next!?
stinger75ih wrote:
>Exactly right, the hunting/fishing license grants you access to STL
>for that explicit purpose (hunting/fishing); not running trails. If
>you want to go four wheeling or camping then get the STL permit.
>Family is exactly what it says... immediate family (spouse and
>underage children), not uncles, aunts or blood relatives, and by no
>means everyone in your vehicle.
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62246 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
>> Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
It just might, and so would every AZVJC member buying a STL permit,
period. :)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:45 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
description to include the requirement.
I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Jose,
IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
the mail, as I type.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
very strict in that area about the permits.
> You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
> Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> that your hunting license is also good for access to State
Land.
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62247 From: vtboy73 <vtboy73@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Member sighting!!!
Black Cherokee with Snorkel,lifted.roof rack.Albertsons parking lot
on Scottsdale and Thomas around 5 pm .Wish I had a tag because you
would have been it.
Here's your wave,
92yj 4cyl SOA
Scott
62248 From: Keith E. Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Fw: OT----puter question
Hi Mike
My hard drive is about to take a dump big time, I think. It started locking
up last week to the point I had to power off the computer to reboot it. it
now test with several bad sectors. I know I'm going to have to replace the
drive but don't know that much about what kind to look for. It has a 30gig
in it now. Also what do I need to do to load win98 and save my emails? I
know how to export the fivs and address book. I also have ZoneAlert but
guess I can re-download it. And while I have you, I only use the thing for
Internet now but will be doing my books with it in the coming months. Is
there a way to isolate that part from the internet?
Thanks
Keith
62249 From: Keith E. Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Fw: OT----puter question
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Scott Kruize
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
Hi Scott
I don't know if it's running or not, haven't fired it up sense I got home. Did pick up a 60gig drive to replace it with. How do you go about "ghosting" it over? I only have the one display so I can't run them both at once.
Thanks
Keith
62250 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:03pm
Subject: [FS] CJ-7 Fastback soft top w/doors
Price: make offer!
Contact: Bill@ 928-774-6024
I really don't want to mess with shipping this thing out of state. Make me an offer on this. It's black, in decent shape w/no holes, and the doors are REALLY nice! All hardware included; you'd just need to buy snaps for the tub.
Bill Ragan
62251 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: [FS] Xfer case, axles & rims
Price: See Ad
Contact: James.Towle@asu.edu
I have a D20 from a J20, $100 OBO.
Set of wide track axles from a '84 CJ7, AMC20 &; D30. The AMC20 needs a pinion seal, for sure. The D30 has SuperWinch hubs. I am not sure what gears are in these axles, no lockers and no upgraded axle shafts. $300 for the set.
5 CJ rims with tires $200. See my web page for pictures and descriptions http://members.cox.net/rockncj/
James Towle
62252 From: rabenius2001 <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: The Difference between HREW and DOM tubing
HREW tubing is Hot Rolled Electronically Welded. It starts out as a
flat sheet of mild steel, and is pulled, pushed, or rolled through a
die that forms it into a tube. It is then run across a metal wheel
that fuses (welds) the seam together. This is where the seam on the
inside of the tube comes from. It is usually made from 1018 steel,
although if the customer does not specify, the vendor (where you buy
the tubing from) may substitute 1020 mild steel, which is a little
better grade than 1018. It is just a different alloy steel.
DOM is Drawn Over Mandrel. It is made the same way as the HREW, where
it is formed from a flat sheet, except that after it is welded, it is
forced through a sizing die. The sizing die does several things to
the tube. First, it "irons out" the seam in the tube, making the tube
virtually seamless. It "cold forges" the seam into the tube, adding
some additional strength. It also makes the thickness of the walls of
the tube more consistent, and makes the tube more round. By making
the tube out of 1026 alloy steel, DOM is stronger than the HREW.
Steel is steel, and there is no difference in weight for the same
size and wall thickness of tube. It is (mostly) all in the alloy of
steel used to make the tube. This is true even for chrome moly steel.
Given the same outside diameter and wall thickness, Chrome moly steel
will weigh the same as mild steel of the same size. Chrome moly has a
yield strength of 80,000 PSI, because of its chromium alloy content.
People sometimes get confused and say chrome moly steel is lighter,
but it is not the case. Because it is so much stronger than 1018 or
1020 mild steel, you can use a thinner wall or smaller diameter
tubing of chrome moly steel and not sacrifice any strength when
compared to the mild steel tubing.
John Rabenius
62253 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:23pm
Subject: Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Andrew,
Please drop me an e-mail when you get a chance.
Thanks&&&.Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
62254 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:24pm
Subject: Tag! I'm not it anymore!
I just tagged my first jeep! It's a bone stock white XJ (keepin' it in the
family) with an "AZVJC Rodeo Fire Relief Run " sticker and a Hunter Offroad
sticker. I think the owner also has a nearly stock TJ with "noodles" all
over it ;)
Rick
XTRM XJ
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
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62255 From: nnotes <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:50pm
Subject: Nice cj 4sale at rogers and longmore
There's a nice Yellow lifted CJ for sale at Rogers and Longmore (just
south of the 60). Is this a member Jeep? Nice ride!
Nick
62256 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:24pm
Subject: RE: Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Here you go Stu:
Sign Xpressions [sales@signxpressions.com]
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Andrew,
Please drop me an e-mail when you get a chance.
Thanks&&&.Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
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62257 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: [FS] Misc Jeep Parts
Price: Varies
Contact: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net
I'm selling several items that I don't need after my buildup on my 84 CJ8.
Stock Front Bumper... surface rust but solid. $50
Full Hard Doors... Blue, good shape. Still has used sale tag on them for $495. Asking $400
Hard Scrambler Half Cab... Grey, good shape. Asking $350
Stock Dana 300 gears... Make offer
Under hood wiring harness for lights... Make offer
YJ Mirrors... Black, great shape $40
CJ Front Flares... good shape $30/pair
YJ Rear Flares... great shape $30/pair
15 x 8 Aluminum American Racing Rims. 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern w/ 4 inches of backspacing. I'm not sure on the model number, but can provide pictures upon request... Excellent shape... $200/4 rims
Stock 3 point harness w/ recoils... missing female ends, but should work with stock lap belt buckles... $50/pair
Stock AMC 20 and Dana 30 carriers for 2.73 gears w/ gears. AMC 20 w/ track loc.... Make offer
Tow Bar pieces for ZJ, XJ and 1st Gen S10... These are NOT tow bars, but they are brackets that attach to the frame and stick out in front of the bumper to mount a tow bar to. I am keeping the towbar to use on my CJ, but am selling the brackets that I purchased to use the bar w/ the above vehicles.
NON Jeep Stuff:
Tow hitch from a 76 Fullsize Blazer... $25
4 stock steel rims for s-10 15 x 7, 5 on 4.75 (I think)
6 inches of backspacing... $100
2 Goodyear Wrangler 235 75R15 tires. Like new.... $70
All items OBO. Pics available upon request.
Kyle Sweet
62258 From: <falconfan2@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: (no subject)
please remove me from receiving e-mail from this group
62259 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: OT----puter question
You can use Norton Ghost... Did you set the 30 gig to master drive, and the new 60 gig to slave? Did you add the new hard drive to the bios?
E-Mail me if you need more help, nickg@4x4jeep.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Az_VJC
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Scott Kruize
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
Hi Scott
I don't know if it's running or not, haven't fired it up sense I got home. Did pick up a 60gig drive to replace it with. How do you go about "ghosting" it over? I only have the one display so I can't run them both at once.
Thanks
Keith
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62260 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:53pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Misc Jeep Parts
Hi do you have any pics or a web page of your scrambler? I am
thinking of a scrambler build up & would like to see some finished
products. Are the YJ mirrors off of 1/2 doors? if so I am interested.
thanks
John
62236 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
description to include the requirement.
I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Jose,
IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
the mail, as I type.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
very strict in that area about the permits.
> You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
> Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> that your hunting license is also good for access to State
Land.
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62237 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 3:46pm
Subject: RE: OT: Puppies Going up For Sale
To make it Jeep related...
These would make trail companions when Jeepin'!!
:)
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepthang87yj [mailto:jeep_thang@h...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:19 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Puppies Going up For Sale
These puppies are not up for sale yet as they are still weening, but
will be going up soon (1st week of Sept). I am just wandering if
anybody in the club would like a first chance of getting one or two.
I don't know much about the puppies as they are my mothers, but they
are very cute. There are 6 Golden and 3 Black Labs for sale, all
puppies are Pure Bread and Papered, AKC Registered both Male and
Female on site, do not know how many of each.
The asking price is between $375.00 and $450.00 each Very Negotiable.
If you are Seriously interested send me an e-mail off list at
larry@d...
I do think that they will reserve puppies for those interested.
The puppies are located in Central Tucson Az.
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
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62238 From: Donald Whitehead <donjodie@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:07pm
Subject: State Land Permits West Side sort of
Driven Auto Parts
225 S 35 Ave
Has State Land Permits available
They build mostly Broncos.
62239 From: hiett710 <hiett710@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:18pm
Subject: Need a Good reputable Machine Shop
Hey all I need a good reputable Machine shop to repair my Crank out
of my 350 Big block. Spun a bearing and messed up a rod. Will need it
welded and turned and then re-ballanced(and I havn't even gotten the
entire thing tore down). Anyone have a good shop they would
recommend?
BTW This happned while I was evacuating my DAD from Pinetop during
the fires.:(
Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Mike H.
62240 From: Brad Gailey <dunefever1@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:29pm
Subject: Re: 33" Good year MTR's
Jim,
This all depends on what type of rim you have. The
backspacing is very important. Base on the research I
did prior to buying my rims a 4" backspacing works
about the best. 4wheelers supply will also recommend
4" backspacing.
Brad
--- roadrunner4x4 <jishby@m...> wrote:
> Hi All, Does anyone know if 33x12.50 Goodyear
MTR's
> will fit a TJ
> with a 3" lift without rubbing. I have
32x11.50
> BFG's and they
> don't. I have to replace them and am wondering
if
> the 33's will fit
> without a body lift ect. Thanks for any help you
> can give.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
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62241 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
Joey,
If the purpose of what you suggest is for general education about our
trails, then I think that is a good idea. If the purpose is to allow
people without permits to avoid trails that require permits, then I
think I disagree with that.
Maybe people don't realize this but most of the major trail areas around
Phoenix Table Mesa, Forence Junction, Lake Pleasant, White Tanks, etc.
(can't speak for the other areas in the state) include STL. Sooner or
later most wheelers will need a STL permit. Therefore, it makes sense
to me that everyone should just go get one. Besides, I certainly wouldn't
trust our website to tell me if I needed a permit. Why take the risk when
it's so easy to just get the permit and be covered?
However, I think it would be good for more of us to know what land(s) our
trails are on. In fact, it would be highly appropriate. A good general
awareness of this would make us more intelligent at land use meetings and
in other situations where showing our intelligence would benefit us (which
is all of the time).
-Roger
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
> or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
> description to include the requirement.
> I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
> listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJc
62242 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
Good points Roger. In retrospect it is probably a good idea that the web
site not indicate what is STL or not. That way someone would not be able
to say "but my club said it wasn't STL land".
Maybe all the trails should just say something like "You may cross STL
either accessing the trail or on the trail. Check with current maps. If
it does you are required to carry a STL permit for every non family
member or for you immediate family." Or something like that.
Just a thought.
What does everyone else think?
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:46 PM
To: DesertJeep
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Joey,
If the purpose of what you suggest is for general education about our
trails, then I think that is a good idea. If the purpose is to allow
people without permits to avoid trails that require permits, then I
think I disagree with that.
Maybe people don't realize this but most of the major trail areas around
Phoenix Table Mesa, Forence Junction, Lake Pleasant, White Tanks, etc.
(can't speak for the other areas in the state) include STL. Sooner or
later most wheelers will need a STL permit. Therefore, it makes sense
to me that everyone should just go get one. Besides, I certainly
wouldn't trust our website to tell me if I needed a permit. Why take
the risk when it's so easy to just get the permit and be covered?
However, I think it would be good for more of us to know what land(s)
our trails are on. In fact, it would be highly appropriate. A good
general awareness of this would make us more intelligent at land use
meetings and in other situations where showing our intelligence would
benefit us (which is all of the time).
-Roger
DesertJeep wrote:
>
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross
> STL or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the
> website description to include the requirement. I think this would
> dramatically increase the quality of our trail listings. Plus it would
> possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJc
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62243 From: tcoble <tcoble@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:48pm
Subject: Re: SURPRISE CANYON NEEDS YOUR HELP
If you ever get the chance to go out there, take it. I took a road
trip out that way a couple of winters back. Man, is that a beautiful
area. I hiked back into the canyon after driving into a 'parking
area'. It's pretty incredible, but I wouldn't even attempt to drive
it. 4.5 miles of narrow and steep, big rocks, at least a 10'
waterfall, and lots of water. Too crazy for me. There is a ghost
town on the way in, Ballarat, thats being kept up and at the top is
Pinamint City, first a bandit hideout in 1873 and then an off and on
mining camp up 'til 1984 when the road was completely washed out.
Pretty cool place. Personally, I think that it should stay the way
it was with a local club organizing a trip once a year under the NPS
guidance. Keep the yahoos who aren't prepared out and keep the place
clean. Probably not a popular opinion but it's mine.
Tim Coble
Tucson
88XJ
62244 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
This is an excellent idea. I never knew anything about STL or permits that
were required until I joined the AZVJC. Listing the required info on each
trail would help insure that AZVJC members wheel responsibly.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "DesertJeep" <joey@d...>
To: "'Scott Kruize'" <skruize@c...>; "'Stu Olson'" <solson8@q...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:44 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
> How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
> or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
> description to include the requirement.
> I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
> listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
> To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
>
> This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
> responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
> closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
> newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
> them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
>
> Jose,
>
> IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
> no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
> 520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
> application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
> time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
> However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
> across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
> permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
> the mail, as I type.
>
> TC!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
>
> Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
> their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
> trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
> wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
> to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> > Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
> they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
> Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
> very strict in that area about the permits.
> > You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
>
> > Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
> office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> > The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> > that your hunting license is also good for access to State
> Land.
>
>
>
>
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62245 From: Ray Backstrom <KB7SKV@C...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:06pm
Subject: Re: Re: State Land Permits
Come on! It's 20 bucks....If you cant afford 20 bucks, you probably
cant afford to go on the run anyway!! Cheap insurance IMO. We just
picked up our new one today!! (drove to downtown phx to get
it....4-wheel supply (east side) was out of them.
Our 2 cents
Ray and Amanda
ZJ, XJ....whats next!?
stinger75ih wrote:
>Exactly right, the hunting/fishing license grants you access to STL
>for that explicit purpose (hunting/fishing); not running trails. If
>you want to go four wheeling or camping then get the STL permit.
>Family is exactly what it says... immediate family (spouse and
>underage children), not uncles, aunts or blood relatives, and by no
>means everyone in your vehicle.
>
>
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62246 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: State Land Permits
>> Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
It just might, and so would every AZVJC member buying a STL permit,
period. :)
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:45 PM
To: 'Scott Kruize'; 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
How about this... We identify which trails on the club website cross STL
or you need to cross STL to get to the trail. Then we update the website
description to include the requirement.
I think this would dramatically increase the quality of our trail
listings. Plus it would possibly increase the respect from the STLD.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:skruize@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 3:04 PM
To: 'Stu Olson'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
This topic comes up a lot on this list. I don't feel it's the
responsibility of the trip leader to check for permits. I know that my
closest friends and I all carry valid permits. I will recommend that any
newbies I meet get a STL permit. But for most people I leave it up to
them. It's not my job to enforce these rules.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Jose,
IMO, anyone that wheels in Arizona needs to have a STL permit. It is a
no-brainer decision to get one. Call 602-542-4631 (Phoenix) or
520-628-5480 (Tucson) or 520-774-1425 (Flagstaff) and have an
application sent to your house. Most folks (including me half of the
time) don't know if they are on or off STL when running a trail.
However...we all know that many of our favorite trails are on or cut
across STL. Not having one is silly, given the $20 cost for a family
permit. Mine expires in approximately two weeks and my renewal is in
the mail, as I type.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:20 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: State Land Permits
Has it ever been suggested that trip leaders ask if everyone has
their permits in order at the meeting point?, or a day before the
trip even. I know we are supposed to be a responsible group of
wheelers but sometimes people just don't know they need them, forgot
to check the expiration date, etc. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "LONNIE PAUGH" <lpaughjr1@m...> wrote:
> Steve Sample mentioned that they got stopped by the sheriff when
they were up at Florence Junction area for not having State Land Use
Permits. When I picked mine up here in Tucson they said they were
very strict in that area about the permits.
> You can get one at the State Land Office here in Tucson at: 233 N Main
> Ave (just north of down town) Phone #628-5480. The
office is in one of the houses on the west side of Main.
> The cost is $20 for a family and a little less for a single. I think
> that your hunting license is also good for access to State
Land.
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62247 From: vtboy73 <vtboy73@y...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:43pm
Subject: Member sighting!!!
Black Cherokee with Snorkel,lifted.roof rack.Albertsons parking lot
on Scottsdale and Thomas around 5 pm .Wish I had a tag because you
would have been it.
Here's your wave,
92yj 4cyl SOA
Scott
62248 From: Keith E. Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Fw: OT----puter question
Hi Mike
My hard drive is about to take a dump big time, I think. It started locking
up last week to the point I had to power off the computer to reboot it. it
now test with several bad sectors. I know I'm going to have to replace the
drive but don't know that much about what kind to look for. It has a 30gig
in it now. Also what do I need to do to load win98 and save my emails? I
know how to export the fivs and address book. I also have ZoneAlert but
guess I can re-download it. And while I have you, I only use the thing for
Internet now but will be doing my books with it in the coming months. Is
there a way to isolate that part from the internet?
Thanks
Keith
62249 From: Keith E. Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Fw: OT----puter question
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Scott Kruize
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
Hi Scott
I don't know if it's running or not, haven't fired it up sense I got home. Did pick up a 60gig drive to replace it with. How do you go about "ghosting" it over? I only have the one display so I can't run them both at once.
Thanks
Keith
62250 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:03pm
Subject: [FS] CJ-7 Fastback soft top w/doors
Price: make offer!
Contact: Bill@ 928-774-6024
I really don't want to mess with shipping this thing out of state. Make me an offer on this. It's black, in decent shape w/no holes, and the doors are REALLY nice! All hardware included; you'd just need to buy snaps for the tub.
Bill Ragan
62251 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: [FS] Xfer case, axles & rims
Price: See Ad
Contact: James.Towle@asu.edu
I have a D20 from a J20, $100 OBO.
Set of wide track axles from a '84 CJ7, AMC20 &; D30. The AMC20 needs a pinion seal, for sure. The D30 has SuperWinch hubs. I am not sure what gears are in these axles, no lockers and no upgraded axle shafts. $300 for the set.
5 CJ rims with tires $200. See my web page for pictures and descriptions http://members.cox.net/rockncj/
James Towle
62252 From: rabenius2001 <jrabenius@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:12pm
Subject: The Difference between HREW and DOM tubing
HREW tubing is Hot Rolled Electronically Welded. It starts out as a
flat sheet of mild steel, and is pulled, pushed, or rolled through a
die that forms it into a tube. It is then run across a metal wheel
that fuses (welds) the seam together. This is where the seam on the
inside of the tube comes from. It is usually made from 1018 steel,
although if the customer does not specify, the vendor (where you buy
the tubing from) may substitute 1020 mild steel, which is a little
better grade than 1018. It is just a different alloy steel.
DOM is Drawn Over Mandrel. It is made the same way as the HREW, where
it is formed from a flat sheet, except that after it is welded, it is
forced through a sizing die. The sizing die does several things to
the tube. First, it "irons out" the seam in the tube, making the tube
virtually seamless. It "cold forges" the seam into the tube, adding
some additional strength. It also makes the thickness of the walls of
the tube more consistent, and makes the tube more round. By making
the tube out of 1026 alloy steel, DOM is stronger than the HREW.
Steel is steel, and there is no difference in weight for the same
size and wall thickness of tube. It is (mostly) all in the alloy of
steel used to make the tube. This is true even for chrome moly steel.
Given the same outside diameter and wall thickness, Chrome moly steel
will weigh the same as mild steel of the same size. Chrome moly has a
yield strength of 80,000 PSI, because of its chromium alloy content.
People sometimes get confused and say chrome moly steel is lighter,
but it is not the case. Because it is so much stronger than 1018 or
1020 mild steel, you can use a thinner wall or smaller diameter
tubing of chrome moly steel and not sacrifice any strength when
compared to the mild steel tubing.
John Rabenius
62253 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:23pm
Subject: Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Andrew,
Please drop me an e-mail when you get a chance.
Thanks&&&.Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
62254 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:24pm
Subject: Tag! I'm not it anymore!
I just tagged my first jeep! It's a bone stock white XJ (keepin' it in the
family) with an "AZVJC Rodeo Fire Relief Run " sticker and a Hunter Offroad
sticker. I think the owner also has a nearly stock TJ with "noodles" all
over it ;)
Rick
XTRM XJ
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
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62255 From: nnotes <nnote@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 6:50pm
Subject: Nice cj 4sale at rogers and longmore
There's a nice Yellow lifted CJ for sale at Rogers and Longmore (just
south of the 60). Is this a member Jeep? Nice ride!
Nick
62256 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 7:24pm
Subject: RE: Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Here you go Stu:
Sign Xpressions [sales@signxpressions.com]
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 6:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Attn: Andrew the sign guy
Andrew,
Please drop me an e-mail when you get a chance.
Thanks&&&.Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
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62257 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:03pm
Subject: [FS] Misc Jeep Parts
Price: Varies
Contact: cj8rockcrawler@cox.net
I'm selling several items that I don't need after my buildup on my 84 CJ8.
Stock Front Bumper... surface rust but solid. $50
Full Hard Doors... Blue, good shape. Still has used sale tag on them for $495. Asking $400
Hard Scrambler Half Cab... Grey, good shape. Asking $350
Stock Dana 300 gears... Make offer
Under hood wiring harness for lights... Make offer
YJ Mirrors... Black, great shape $40
CJ Front Flares... good shape $30/pair
YJ Rear Flares... great shape $30/pair
15 x 8 Aluminum American Racing Rims. 5 on 5.5 bolt pattern w/ 4 inches of backspacing. I'm not sure on the model number, but can provide pictures upon request... Excellent shape... $200/4 rims
Stock 3 point harness w/ recoils... missing female ends, but should work with stock lap belt buckles... $50/pair
Stock AMC 20 and Dana 30 carriers for 2.73 gears w/ gears. AMC 20 w/ track loc.... Make offer
Tow Bar pieces for ZJ, XJ and 1st Gen S10... These are NOT tow bars, but they are brackets that attach to the frame and stick out in front of the bumper to mount a tow bar to. I am keeping the towbar to use on my CJ, but am selling the brackets that I purchased to use the bar w/ the above vehicles.
NON Jeep Stuff:
Tow hitch from a 76 Fullsize Blazer... $25
4 stock steel rims for s-10 15 x 7, 5 on 4.75 (I think)
6 inches of backspacing... $100
2 Goodyear Wrangler 235 75R15 tires. Like new.... $70
All items OBO. Pics available upon request.
Kyle Sweet
62258 From: <falconfan2@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 4:22pm
Subject: (no subject)
please remove me from receiving e-mail from this group
62259 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:46pm
Subject: Re: OT----puter question
You can use Norton Ghost... Did you set the 30 gig to master drive, and the new 60 gig to slave? Did you add the new hard drive to the bios?
E-Mail me if you need more help, nickg@4x4jeep.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Az_VJC
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 5:36 PM
Subject: Fw: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
----- Original Message -----
From: Keith E. Haw
To: Scott Kruize
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] OT----puter question
Hi Scott
I don't know if it's running or not, haven't fired it up sense I got home. Did pick up a 60gig drive to replace it with. How do you go about "ghosting" it over? I only have the one display so I can't run them both at once.
Thanks
Keith
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62260 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Mon Aug 5, 2002 8:53pm
Subject: Re: [FS] Misc Jeep Parts
Hi do you have any pics or a web page of your scrambler? I am
thinking of a scrambler build up & would like to see some finished
products. Are the YJ mirrors off of 1/2 doors? if so I am interested.
thanks
John