That's it, I hate my TJ...I'm selling it...

[CaptainMorgan]

IT BROKE AGAIN!!! I am so pissed. My Tj breaks more than anyone else on this board and I wheel very carefully. Anyone who has done a run can testify that I wheel with extreme caution...

...Along side with the fan flying off, the trans needing to be rebuilt at 15,000, door looks not working, reverse not working, the crap dana35 breaking, and now this...

...I am going down the street into 3rd gear when all of a sudden everything is in neutral and it wont go into any gear...and no the t-case isn't in Nuetral. If Chrysler wont fix it since it is the clutch, I am selling it and getting a CJ-7 or CJ-8...imagine the CJ I could get with the money from the TJ...

...Our beat up old '77 has not broken down once in 6 months, the TJ has broken ON-ROAD twice and needed to be towed. Mopar SUCKS!

[CooL_DaD]

Sorry for your problems..................:(

[CaptainMorgan]

It is ok, I am seriously considering a sale and then a purchase of a restomodded CJ or early Bronco...and I will never sell the '5.


The good thing is that the TJ is paid for and I can get a lot for it.

[SHNIPE]

wanna buy a slightly dented but perfectly running tj :D

[Fire Ball]

Since you just got done telling us much of a POS it is, you might not get much from one of us :D

[CaptainMorgan]

Dont worry, I am gonna have it all fixed and inspected if I sell it...and I am going to be honest with whomever buys it...I could never rip someone off. Besides I think this is the nature of the new 6-speed to break, but mant people seem to love it...

[Allen]

get an auto! Better crawlers!!

[Wayco]

I also have a low opinion of Chrysler products overall, but when my Jeep breaks, I usually just think UPGRADE! I know you probably don't want to hear this, but my 6 speed manual tranny has given me no problems, and I can't say that I have played nicely with it. Maybe you just need to slap it around a little..... :D

[ROKCRLR]

Wayne might be right. I've had my 6 speed for almost 2 years now and I've been anything but nice to it and it's still chugging along...

[CaptainMorgan]

X2 on the Chrysler thing...I always think upgrade too, hence all the alloy shafts and the dana44, but swapping to an auto right now wont work too well because I dont have that kind of cash, whereas if I sold my Jeep I would have lots and lots of cash.

I know lots of people with 6-speeds and no trouble, but I have also talked to a few with simmilar gripes...such as the reverse going out, thewre was a TSB but I didnt hear about it till last week and my reverse has been almost unusable for over a year, my girlfriend cant get it into reverse and she drives a CJ-5 w/t-18 every day.

I would like a CJ-7 or 8 in great shape with a v8, fuel injection, auto and nice axles...but we will see, most likely I will keep the TJ if it gets all fixed up...but I have been looking at all the Cj's for sale in the southwest for an hour or so. We'll see.

[My Green Jeep]

IT BROKE AGAIN!!! I am so pissed. My Tj breaks more than anyone else on this board and I wheel very carefully. Anyone who has done a run can testify that I wheel with extreme caution...

...Along side with the fan flying off, the trans needing to be rebuilt at 15,000, door looks not working, reverse not working, the crap dana35 breaking, and now this...

...I am going down the street into 3rd gear when all of a sudden everything is in neutral and it wont go into any gear...and no the t-case isn't in Nuetral. If Chrysler wont fix it since it is the clutch, I am selling it and getting a CJ-7 or CJ-8...imagine the CJ I could get with the money from the TJ...

...Our beat up old '77 has not broken down once in 6 months, the TJ has broken ON-ROAD twice and needed to be towed. Mopar SUCKS!



You should check into the "Lemon Law"... I hired a lawyer because
of all the issues my 2000 Chevy S10 Blazer 4x4 had.... I won...

:)

[GLEN REAMS]

IT BROKE AGAIN!!! I am so pissed. My Tj breaks more than anyone else on this board and I wheel very carefully. Anyone who has done a run can testify that I wheel with extreme caution...

...Along side with the fan flying off, the trans needing to be rebuilt at 15,000, door looks not working, reverse not working, the crap dana35 breaking, and now this...

...I am going down the street into 3rd gear when all of a sudden everything is in neutral and it wont go into any gear...and no the t-case isn't in Nuetral. If Chrysler wont fix it since it is the clutch, I am selling it and getting a CJ-7 or CJ-8...imagine the CJ I could get with the money from the TJ...

...Our beat up old '77 has not broken down once in 6 months, the TJ has broken ON-ROAD twice and needed to be towed. Mopar SUCKS!

i Bet DJ'S jeep breaks more!

[CaptainMorgan]

You should check into the "Lemon Law"... I hired a lawyer because
of all the issues my 2000 Chevy S10 Blazer 4x4 had.... I won...

:)

What would I stand to gain by doing that? Just curious as I have very little knowlege on the subject.

[My Green Jeep]

What would I stand to gain by doing that? Just curious as I have very little knowlege on the subject.

Well... I gained lots of $$$$ :D

You need to say "Lemon Law" to the service advisor,
tell them to pull up all your records of the issues your jeep
has or had. The service advisor should give you the number
for customer service to get the ball rolling.

[CaptainMorgan]

hmmm....I have had it taken in twice for major surgery before this(trans rebuild and fan flying off engine) and once about the dana35 which they didn't fix...(I dont care about that one though) and this will be the third time it needs something major done and the second for the trans...but there are 2 things wrong witht he trans right now that are unrealated....perhaps I will start squawking about lemon laws...My tranny has had 3 major problems, I would love the money to buy and install a 700r4 or another real nice slushbox.

[GRUNT]

Well... I gained lots of $$$$ :D

You need to say "Lemon Law" to the service advisor,
tell them to pull up all your records of the issues your jeep
has or had. The service advisor should give you the number
for customer service to get the ball rolling.

x2, did this with my pickup and the service advisor about "laid an egg!"

[Desmo_Pilot]

Glad this post has come up, as I'm having issues with my '05 6spd tranny as well. The jeep has been pampered with very little offroading(unfortunately :( ) I just turned 14k on the clock and the tranny issue has been around for at least the last 5k. It has finally gotten to the point that it just makes me so grumpy to drive it anymore that I am considering selling as well. But, I'm going to try and get it all resolved first.

I dropped the jeep off at the dealer yesterday and I really hope they resolve the issue. I'm guessing a rebuild or replacement tranny.

I haven't heard from the dealer yet today, but once I do I will let everyone know what the status is.

[daniel]

i Bet DJ'S jeep breaks more!

thanks for bring my crap up:D But am glad to hear that someone is have the some problems with braking all the time:eek: But that does suck man i feel yuour pain

[CaptainMorgan]

It has finally gotten to the point that it just makes me so grumpy to drive it anymore that I am considering selling as well. But, I'm going to try and get it all resolved first.


You hit the nail on the head right there for me!

[Miles2go1979]

I was told that Arizona doesn't have a lemon law, but most dealerships are still carefull because they don't want negative publicity

[ROKCRLR]

Glad this post has come up, as I'm having issues with my '05 6spd tranny as well. The jeep has been pampered with very little offroading(unfortunately :( ) I just turned 14k on the clock and the tranny issue has been around for at least the last 5k. It has finally gotten to the point that it just makes me so grumpy to drive it anymore that I am considering selling as well. But, I'm going to try and get it all resolved first.

I dropped the jeep off at the dealer yesterday and I really hope they resolve the issue. I'm guessing a rebuild or replacement tranny.

I haven't heard from the dealer yet today, but once I do I will let everyone know what the status is.

What kind of problems are you having with yours?

[ROKCRLR]

I was told that Arizona doesn't have a lemon law, but most dealerships are still carefull because they don't want negative publicity

A buddy of mine in Prescott started the ball rolling to get his Chevy HHR declared a lemon. The dealership bent over backwards to take care of him once they knew he was doing that. So there most be some kind of law....

[Miles2go1979]

Guess the guy who told me was wrong... he even works at the dealership

Exclusions to the Arizona Lemon Law

The Arizona lemon law does not apply to:

a sale of a vehicle to a purchaser for the purpose of resale for profit, or
to a vehicle with a declared gross weight over 10,000 pounds, or
to a vehicle that is sold at a public auction.


http://www.keytlaw.com/az/lemonlaw.htm

But it only applies to new cars, not used cars.

[Joneser]

I worked at several dealerships before. In Florida they take it very serious and even hand out Lemon Law booklets when you purchase a new vehicle. If your dealership will not help you cry to Jeep directly. It will KILL their CSI.( Customer service index. ) They WILL take care you but you must act quickly. I will try to find a Lemon Law booklet...if I do I will report back. You paid good money for your Jeep...this stuff does happen but should be handled responsibly.

[terron gregg]

looks like you got a bad apple

[Texas]

That's why I love my 1997. Anything that was going to break as already done so.

[My Green Jeep]

hmmm....I have had it taken in twice for major surgery before this(trans rebuild and fan flying off engine) and once about the dana35 which they didn't fix...(I dont care about that one though) and this will be the third time it needs something major done and the second for the trans...but there are 2 things wrong witht he trans right now that are unrealated....perhaps I will start squawking about lemon laws...My tranny has had 3 major problems, I would love the money to buy and install a 700r4 or another real nice slushbox.

First of all ask your service advisor to print you out a copy of
all the repairs your jeep had done, after you get that in your
hand... mention the Lemon Law to him/her... do not let that
person BS you into thinking it does not apply to your jeep.

I was told that Arizona doesn't have a lemon law, but most dealerships are still carefull because they don't want negative publicity

WRONG...

Guess the guy who told me was wrong... he even works at the dealership

http://www.keytlaw.com/az/lemonlaw.htm

But it only applies to new cars, not used cars.

That is wrong also... my blazer was used when I purchased it,
I got moooocho denero $$$$

looks like you got a bad apple

Yep... hate to say it but you got a bad jeep :o

[Desmo_Pilot]

Well, dealer just called me and they are trying to tell me there is no issue. I had it in before to them a month ago and I had the tech with me in the vehicle and he could clearly hear and feel the problem. And even informed me after lengthy conversation that they are seeing many issues with the 6spd tranny.

The issue I'm having with mine is an absolutely insane amount of slop. Can hear it clank hard every shift, even when shifting very smoothly and lightly. And the issue is really really bad when on a slight incline, such as a driveway. If you ease the clutch out to ease forward a few feet and then push the clutch back in the entire driveline shockloads back and forth a few times(clank clank clank clank). Now, put this scenario into an offroad environment and it is not even remotely tolerable. Hence why I don't take it offroad at all.

I'm going to investigate the Lemon Law and I'm going to take it to another dealer, as the one I took it too truly does not seem interested or committed to fixing the issue.

[Joneser]

Yo Mr. Morgan, this came out of my Florida Lemon Law book but I cant believe that the laws could be that different here...want more info...let me know. Says you have up to 24 months after the delivery date for repeated repairs also it says you must send written notification to the manufacturer...not the dealership.

[rubicontrail]

How much to swap in an auto transmission? Probably, expensive huh?

[CaptainMorgan]

I know it costs more than I have, especially since the NSG370 of mine clearly isn't worth much.

[dirtgrip]

Sorry you're having so many problems. Someone makes a sticker that says"it used to be a Jeep thing but all that stuff broke" or something like that.:D

[Desmo_Pilot]

How much to swap in an auto transmission? Probably, expensive huh?

I'm extremely curious about swapping in the 42RLE auto tranny as well. I'm assuming it should be straight forward, however I'm curious if a special wiring harness is needed.

[SHNIPE]

Sorry you're having so many problems. Someone makes a sticker that says"it used to be a Jeep thing but all that stuff broke" or something like that.:D

X2 thats the best one. We dont upgrade to more jeep parts :D

[azshtr]

Jason?

[Antman]

Well, dealer just called me and they are trying to tell me there is no issue. I had it in before to them a month ago and I had the tech with me in the vehicle and he could clearly hear and feel the problem. And even informed me after lengthy conversation that they are seeing many issues with the 6spd tranny.

The issue I'm having with mine is an absolutely insane amount of slop. Can hear it clank hard every shift, even when shifting very smoothly and lightly. And the issue is really really bad when on a slight incline, such as a driveway. If you ease the clutch out to ease forward a few feet and then push the clutch back in the entire driveline shockloads back and forth a few times(clank clank clank clank). Now, put this scenario into an offroad environment and it is not even remotely tolerable. Hence why I don't take it offroad at all.

I'm going to investigate the Lemon Law and I'm going to take it to another dealer, as the one I took it too truly does not seem interested or committed to fixing the issue.

This "slop" could very well be in the transfer case
or rear end and not have anything to do with the tranny. Unless maybe a broken transmission mount or engine mount.

[Desmo_Pilot]

This "slop" could very well be in the transfer case
or rear end and not have anything to do with the tranny. Unless maybe a broken transmission mount or engine mount.


My first hunch was the transfer case, but I removed it from the vehicle and could still duplicate the same amount of back and forth free play on the transmission shaft. So, I guess it leaves two options. It's either the tranny or possibly the spring hub of the clutch disk could be broken.

[danno]

Captain... For the Lemon Law, they usually just give you your money back for what you paid for it... And then you take that money and go and buy another vehicle.

[tywilson88]

thats funny.. i havent had any trouble with my d35. everyone says its weak. i got 35's a v-8 and no lockers(heavy foot) on a stock 35...

KNOCK KNOCK

[CaptainMorgan]

thats funny.. i havent had any trouble with my d35. everyone says its weak. i got 35's a v-8 and no lockers(heavy foot) on a stock 35...

KNOCK KNOCK

I have heard many stories like yours...but 9 months after buying my Jeep the dana35 broke coming home from work on 31's with a 6 cylinder and no locker...good luck.

[CaptainMorgan]

My first hunch was the transfer case, but I removed it from the vehicle and could still duplicate the same amount of back and forth free play on the transmission shaft. So, I guess it leaves two options. It's either the tranny or possibly the spring hub of the clutch disk could be broken.



Mine has the same slop, it feel like the drivetrain in tweaked out or something when it does it...not normal. This is not my first manual but it is my last...sad that a Mercedes transmission is the reason I will never own another manual.

[drroadie]

Captain, after driving a TJ (when it works) for a while, you may find you are spoiled. I doubt you would be happy with a CJ. Not that I have anything against them,,,,those ARE "Jeeps".:D My YJ comes close, but still is no CJ5. But it is hard to beat the comfort of a TJ on road.

[BBP]

I read a newspaper article about a man who bought some kind of car that was a lemon. The dealer wouldn't make it right. He either found a whole pile of lemon decals, or had them painted on his car... he covered it with them. Then he parked the car in front of the dealership with a sign in a window, "I bought this lemon Here". He got another car.

[CaptainMorgan]

Captain, after driving a TJ (when it works) for a while, you may find you are spoiled. I doubt you would be happy with a CJ. Not that I have anything against them,,,,those ARE "Jeeps".:D My YJ comes close, but still is no CJ5. But it is hard to beat the comfort of a TJ on road.

Notice in the sig I already ahve a CJ-5...and I would be looking for a 7 or an 8. I understand the ride difference...I doubt I am spoiled, all my vehicles besides the TJ have been classics and I like that more, aside from a Tacoma but I wasn't impressed with it either. To be honest I like the feel of classic vehicles more, I am young I can handle the bumping and jarring:)

[Easyover]

To be honest I like the feel of classic vehicles more, I am young I can handle the bumping and jarring:)

Sounds like you need a YJ. New enough to have fuel injection, old enough to have a bumping and jarring ride!;) Plus, the newest ones are almost 13 yrs old, so not far from being a classic!

[CaptainMorgan]

Sounds like you need a YJ. New enough to have fuel injection, old enough to have a bumping and jarring ride!;) Plus, the newest ones are almost 13 yrs old, so not far from being a classic!

But where's the good looks? If I am gonna be in an old ride, I want it to be at least older than I am...

[Easyover]

But where's the good looks? If I am gonna be in an old ride, I want it to be at least older than I am...

Are you sayin' this don't look good?

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/jeep_in_sierra1.JPG

Here's my classic. We're about the same age

http://www.fullsizejeeps.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10026/ties2.jpg

[CaptainMorgan]

Are you sayin' this don't look good?

No fair you didn't take that pic from the front:D




...J/K man, that is an awesome looking rig. Same goes for the J-truck.

[Easyover]

No fair you didn't take that pic from the front:D

.

I had a feeling you would come back with that :D

[Duality]

buy a honda...

seriously... I drove a Honda for 100K HARD miles pretty much redlining it in every gear every day and it never broke, not one ****ing time.

[CaptainMorgan]

buy a honda...

seriously... I drove a Honda for 100K HARD miles pretty much redlining it in every gear every day and it never broke, not one ****ing time.

But then I would be in a Honda...just not my thing. They are great little cars though for what they are for.

[joedokes28]

How many miles do you guys have on your 6spds?

My 05 has 22K and runs and drives flawlessly. I actually would say that I love this transmission. It's not as smooth as say, a toyota, but it's a great match for the TJ.

[CaptainMorgan]

15,000 when the 4th and 6th gear synchros went out on the way to California.
17,000 started making a wierd swirling/whoosing sound when hot.
20,000 reverse started going out.
20,000 Third ALWAYS grinds. No matter how slow or carefully it is shifted. I now skip from 2nd to 4th.
30,000 every gear went out completely on the way home here in town.

I have to say of the three manuals I own or have owned this is bay far the cheesiest one. I have a T-18a in the CJ that kicks ***, 6.32 first gear and bulletproof. Before that I had an NV4500 with granny 1st...I guess this tranny had no hope of living up to the others but I didn't realize how much of a mistake it was when buying the Jeep...I wish for so many reasons I had gotten an Auto...at the time I just didn't realize what would happen to me because I wanted to shift my Jeep.

Lets not forget there have also been 2 service anouncements for this tranny during the two years they used it. One for the '06 clutch linkage and the second for the reverse issue mine has, apperently something is made of plastic inside there and that piece fails...

[ActualReverend]

Sue.... I sued over my '05 TJ and settled for enough to pay for part of a down payment on a house... plus they fixed the problems.
For the first year of it's life, it spent 8 months in the shop.
--bryan

[GRUNT]

Sue.... I sued over my '05 TJ and settled for enough to pay for part of a down payment on a house... plus they fixed the problems.
For the first year of it's life, it spent 8 months in the shop.
--bryan


WOW!

Oh and Easyover... I think your YJ rocks!

[Easyover]

WOW!

Oh and Easyover... I think your YJ rocks!


Thanks!!

[CaptainMorgan]

Still not fixed...I finally flipped out at them.