Elvis/jackhandle

[guido4x4]

Can someone give me directions to elvis would like to wheel it next weekend. Then on to jackhandle Thanks

[azcharlie]

You will have better luck asking for a trail leader. What are the spec's of your rig?

[kemolewis]

You will have better luck asking for a trail leader. What are the spec's of your rig?

x2

Asking for directions to a trail in the desert is like asking directions to the big tree in the woods. Better off having someone show you.

[Number 7]

Can someone give me directions to elvis would like to wheel it next weekend. Then on to jackhandle Thanks


No, because then I'd have to kill you and I don't relish life in prison. j/k :p

But post it up that you need a leader. Maybe we'll get to go, we've never done Jackhandle.

[lancetkenyon]

X3, you need a leader. No directions given here. Post up rig specs. Here is a teaser of Elvis.........

yes, this is an optional line.......

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=14957&stc=1&d=1193837475

[xjstocker]

hey lance thats the fun line. shouldnt be optional:D

[SHNIPE]

If youre not running all the options... youre not runnign the trail!

[xjstocker]

ill tell ya how to get there. drive down a dirt road and turn off onto another road then drive down that trail there and get some on the way. what are your rigs specs? you will get more hits from those who know how to get there.

[desertdawg]

Here's another fun line.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b208/ddawg_/IMG_3298.jpg

[xjstocker]

wow mike thats a "old" shot. not time wise but mod wise. you up for runnin with us small guys again?

[desertdawg]

wow mike thats a "old" shot. not time wise but mod wise. you up for runnin with us small guys again?

That's Dan Sherman two Sundays ago.:)

I'm always up to running with you all. I want to get my son out there in the next week or two. I'll post it up.

[xjstocker]

ya it is white. doh tube doors, the bfgs, and hilift on the frt bumper got me all confused.

[desertdawg]

ya it is white. doh tube doors, the bfgs, and hilift on the frt bumper got me all confused.

Yeah I guess it has something to do with getting hit in the head with a flying spare tire too many times.:D

[SHNIPE]

If youre not running all the options... youre not runnign the trail!

actually according to this i think the only trail ive actually run then is Raw deal :D

[Miles2go1979]

Here's another preview of Elvis.... you may not want to take this option :)


http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/Miles2go1979/Elvis7.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l253/Miles2go1979/Elvis9.jpg


Sorry Steve... I had to :D

[xjstocker]

hey thats my bent shaft:D

[Allen]

It's easy to find!

Ya just go out that road that leads to ELVIS and take a left at the turn! Then ya go until yer supposed to leave the road and turn right! Then you go up the trail until you see these bigazz rocks!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvis/websize/Elvis%20008.jpg

and these!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvis/websize/Elvis%20035.jpg

and this big rock!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvisagain/websize/elvis2%20019.jpg

and them rocks there!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvis/websize/Elvis%20045.jpg

and this skeeeeeery spot!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvisagain/websize/elvis2%20028.jpg

and this little hill!

http://photos.imageevent.com/frag_o_matic/main/elvis/websize/Elvis%20051.jpg


Then yer there!


.....ps


If ya want me to lead a trip Saturday 3 Nov

POST UP SPECS of your rig and I'll see if yer big'nuf

[TheJeepGuy]

I may be down for a Sat run if I'm feeling better.

To the original poster for this thread: I've got the GPS coord. for this trail. I'll try to have them posted on my website this weekend.

[azcharlie]

I don't want to start a debate but please don't post the gps coord on ANY website. Elvis has enough stacking going on, that goes for all the FJ trails. If you have the gps coords then keep them to PM's. BTW nice looking rig.

[lancetkenyon]

I may be down for a Sat run if I'm feeling better.

To the original poster for this thread: I've got the GPS coord. for this trail. I'll try to have them posted on my website this weekend.

I don't want to start a debate but please don't post the gps coord on ANY website. Elvis has enough stacking going on, that goes for all the FJ trails. If you have the gps coords then keep them to PM's. BTW nice looking rig.

X2, please don't post them where anyone can get them. PM the coords if you want though.

[Allen]

I've posted up a run if anyone wants to go!

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=27374

sign up!!

[TheJeepGuy]

<In Lumburg's voice from Office Space> "Yeah...I'm going to have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with you there."

The root of the "irresponsible wheeling" problem in AZ is lack of education and clear-cut trail designation. When people don't know what is and is not an official trail, they trail-blaze and go where they shouldn't, which in turn gives Francisco more ammo for closing areas/trails. Personally, I think there should be signs at each and every trail-head and a kiosk at the staging area stating so. Then, if people knew that the only trails they should be on were marked and that trail blazing could jeopardize access to the entire area, they "might" think twice before doing so. But, this takes a lot of time and money. In the mean-time, GPS coordinates are the best alternative, IMO.

I am against restricting access to people. If they are stupid enough to take their rig out there w/o any hard wheelin' experience or go out there by themselves, then it's their own fault.

And all this talk about "what are the specs of your rig" are irrelevant if the driver is inexperienced. You can the baddest rock buggy in the world, but you put Paris Hilton behind the wheel and that buggy doesn't add up for sh*t! I've seen a stock YJ open front & rear on 31" street tires make it through Elvis...and he didn't stack one single rock!

I haven't posted the coordinates yet, but I do intend to. No one should need a secret decoder ring or be in the right "click" crowd to enjoy some of the great trails AZ has to offer...while they're still open. If I were going to wheel someplace new, I'd want to know about all the good trails in an area, and I would love to be able to find a site that had recommendations and GPS coordinates freely available. It sure would be a lot easer to plan my trip and I wouldn't piss off the locals and wheel where I shouldn't :)

[xjstocker]

i doubt the powers that be will allow you to willy nilly post gps cords here. i for one beleive that if you think you can run it post for a leader who knows the trail and have them show you. it took me time to learn where the trails are that i run on. and the first run on a trail should be with some one that knows the trails. so being from california how would you feel if we went and stacked the hammers so my ifs explorer can say it ran them?

[TheJeepGuy]

You've never led a trail you've never been on before :confused: It's a great experience, you should try it sometime. It's very rewarding, especially if you did it clean and didn't have to winch, stack, or take any bypasses. I know I can run H2H (which I've never done) and I'll gladly lead it...in fact I offered last week!!!!!! I don't need someone to "show me the way". I can do it.

If you can get your IFS exploder through the hammers WITH stacking rocks...oh wait, you can't :D

How hard is it to move stacked rocks...really. Not that I approve of that method, but sometimes it needs to be done, i.e. when you break BAD and now you're in 2WD and no one can go around you and your only way out is to stack rocks. You've never had to stack rocks for someone? I guess you haven't wheeled that much then.

Oh, and BTW, I don't need permission from "the powers that be" to put GPS coords on MY website :D

i doubt the powers that be will allow you to willy nilly post gps cords here. i for one beleive that if you think you can run it post for a leader who knows the trail and have them show you. it took me time to learn where the trails are that i run on. and the first run on a trail should be with some one that knows the trails. so being from california how would you feel if we went and stacked the hammers so my ifs explorer can say it ran them?

[xjstocker]

i have stacked and unstacked. the problem becomes when the ill equiped go to a trail they have no business on. the point of having a person lead is to learn the way you should go and if you will make it without damage to you your rig or the enviroment. its hard to justify a stocker on lower woodpecker or axle alley just because they saw it on a sign post. the reason we have the rating system is so people dont get in over their head. blazing down a path just to see where it goes in fj is a monumental bad idea. we are currently trying to keep what we have not lose any of it. az doesnt have places like the johnson valley that are fairly well protected. everything we have is fought for tooth and nail and hangs on by a thread. you dont want to be the new guy that screwed it up for the rest of us. btw if you have gps cords and havent run the trails does the person you got them from approve of your use in this manner? not trying to be a jerk but fj tm and the wt are not parks they are public lands controlled govt agencies.

[TheJeepGuy]

First of all, a stock rig CAN do woodpecker. I've seen it and WP is an easy trail anyway. Second, this rating system that is exclusive to VJC is retarded. No one outside AZ uses it, that I know of, and when you've wheeled long enough a number for a trail rating has very little meaning. I know because I have been wheeling long enough. As an analogy, I am a veteran rock climber and when I started climbing in different countries that had different rating systems, I realized that the "number" looses much value. Some day when you have wheeled more then 2 or 3 areas and in more then 1 state, you will realize this. There are 4 universal ratings for trails that you can use anywhere: easy, moderate, difficult, and extreme.

blazing down a path just to see where it goes in fj is a monumental bad idea.

...no duh! Did you not read my post?! Here, let me make sure you got it:

When people don't know what is and is not an official trail, they trail-blaze and go where they shouldn't, which in turn gives Francisco more ammo for closing areas/trails.

If you want to "keep what you have" then don't send the message "I won't tell you unless I deem you worthy"! Not only will that make you look like an arse and push people away from your "click", but that just encourages trail-blazing behavior...WHICH IS WHY THERE'S SUCH A PROBLEM IN FJ :mad:

The only reason Johnson Valley is "protected" is because people actually care A LOT about keeping their trails open out there and don't have the "it's a secret" attitude. Did you ever think that making these trails known to everyone might actually HELP keep the riff raff off the trails they shouldn't be on?

The GPS coordinates are MY coordinates that I marked when I ran that trail for my first time at night.

And finally, I'm not a new guy to FJ, just VJC. I've wheeled there for many years and help clean up every time I'm out there. Don't assume you know me, where I've been, or how much experience I have based on my brief sig...because you'd be wrong!

i have stacked and unstacked. the problem becomes when the ill equiped go to a trail they have no business on. the point of having a person lead is to learn the way you should go and if you will make it without damage to you your rig or the enviroment. its hard to justify a stocker on lower woodpecker or axle alley just because they saw it on a sign post. the reason we have the rating system is so people dont get in over their head. blazing down a path just to see where it goes in fj is a monumental bad idea. we are currently trying to keep what we have not lose any of it. az doesnt have places like the johnson valley that are fairly well protected. everything we have is fought for tooth and nail and hangs on by a thread. you dont want to be the new guy that screwed it up for the rest of us. btw if you have gps cords and havent run the trails does the person you got them from approve of your use in this manner? not trying to be a jerk but fj tm and the wt are not parks they are public lands controlled govt agencies.

[jeff krause]

elvis is fun.... Jackhandle is fun .. be sure to take the jackass bypass

[Fire Ball]

Well here we go with the hostilities again. :(

I personally am fundamentally against the "no tell where it is till we know you" idea but like many things in life we don't like there is a reason.

The person who is going to cut trails, leave stacks of rocks, leave garbage, or not pick up spills is going to exhibit that behavior no matter where they go. The problem is we would rather they don't do it on the trails. It is sad to see how much crap goes on out there as I'm sure you are aware. If the masses, a lot of whom are idiots, are turned loose on all the "secret trails", it won't be long before they are destroyed. It is coming, mark my words, we are losing trails at an alarming rate with more under pressure all the time. I saw it happen in my home state, and I hate to see it happen here.

It's not about a clique as you allude to, it is about preservation.

Yes education, or a lack of education is a big problem but until that changes we are trying to prevent all the trails we love from becoming like Table Mesa, Sycamore and some of the others. The trails are a mess and trash is every where.

As I said, I don't like the idea but I live by it for the good of the sport. I can see you disagree and that is fine. I really think letting trail info out to the whole world and all the idiots in on it is a big mistake. Be careful what you wish for, you might get it.

In the mean time chill out folks :)

[azcharlie]

Oh great.........I knew this would turn for the worst. All I said is please keep GPS coord to pm's. I personally believe that IT'S A BAD IDEA TO POST GPS TO TRAILS. You don't have to be in the "click" or whatever you said to know where the trail's are. Post the GPS coord to your website then maybe when those trails are stacked to the point that there not fun anymore or when by-passes get cut everywhere and the trail gets closed maybe then you'll get it.

[xjstocker]

shawn, you are on the ttora board. i get that. but you call this "cliquey" please, ive seen how that works. mike and eric and bob come here sporadicly. you say i dont know you but when you get a drunk azz yahoo in a rhino splayed across your hood because he thinks he has the right of way and wont wait till you can pull out and allow him to pass safely. then you will know what we deal with. enviromentalists who destroy property to get an area closed to all. you wernt around to see the firehole cemented in. that is what we have delt with(by we i mean the off road community in this state). your right we have to stand up for what we want and maybe we dont do it enough. but to come on this board and say im going to do it and you cant stop me is not how you make friends. btw upper woody is doable stock lower is not. unless you refer to the bypass or the miller equation.(he is not the norm you see wheeling a stockish jeep. and he has upgraded himself to move onto the next level) as some one on here has said 1006 times if your taking the bypass your not running the trail. im not trying to argue, doing horribly i know:D, but hey sometimes its hard to get the point across nicely. im an equal opertunity wheeler no matter the problems on this board. that being said when im ready to run h2h i know who to ask if they want to go. good night all

[Allen]

I've canceled my trip for tomorrow! Not looking to run with a bunch of yahoos that spent all day calling each other names!!:mad:


Maybe I'll run solo somewhere instead!;)

Hey Jeepguy! Thanks for calling us retarded! We really have no idea what we are doing here in AZ. Were just a bunch of dumb rednecks with jeeps!


Oh, and you got a great site! 16 members and 89 posts! 55 of them are you! It's great to see that you wheel so responsibly and dont hassle guys about minimums on your site!


from your site:

Re: What did you break in AZ?


JeepGuy Posted on: Apr 18 2007, 03:34 AM


I broke A LOT!

lower control arm mount
front axle
2 knocked out fender flares
2 broken upper control arm mounts
damaged rear driveshaft
random minor body damage
1 lower control arm

Yeah, let's meet up on Saturday morning. I was originally thinking of leaving Ridgecrest at 0800, but with as many people on the trail I'm thinking we should leave at 0700.

What all does the other Jeep have?...lockers, tire size, etc. You're definitely going to want at least a rear locker and 33" tires. It can be done open-open, but it may be a bit of a struggle.

Glad to see your not one of these hypocrites that talk a bunch of smack about what others do, but then do the same buIIshlT everyone else does when they think nobodys looking!


I'm pretty sure we've had more posts here every single day than you posted on your site since it started last April!

It's a good thing we got someone that knows SOOOOO much about wheelin here now!

Why dont you go back and wheel your ROCK STACKED Doran Canyon that any stock jeep can do..... even with Paris Hilton driving!



.......do I sound upset???:eek:

[guido4x4]

Hey guys sorry to start such a heated debate Just wanted to wheel a different trail with my buddys. We as 4wheelers cant get into name calling or verbal sparing we are all in this sport because of the outdoors and commaradery. We all have a passion for this everyones point is well taken next time a trail leader will be nice. Hope they show up . Let this topic rest . No ammo for trail closers. Thanks Guido 4X4

[Ryan]

hey Allen me and my girl would really like to go on a run tommorw, if you r going any where. i tried see if any one wanted to go to syamore creek. but no response. whouldn't mind tagging along, if its cool. thanks Ryan and Lauren

[lancetkenyon]

i have stacked and unstacked. the problem becomes when the ill equiped go to a trail they have no business on. the point of having a person lead is to learn the way you should go and if you will make it without damage to you your rig or the enviroment. its hard to justify a stocker on lower woodpecker or axle alley just because they saw it on a sign post. the reason we have the rating system is so people dont get in over their head. blazing down a path just to see where it goes in fj is a monumental bad idea. we are currently trying to keep what we have not lose any of it. az doesnt have places like the johnson valley that are fairly well protected. everything we have is fought for tooth and nail and hangs on by a thread. you dont want to be the new guy that screwed it up for the rest of us. btw if you have gps cords and havent run the trails does the person you got them from approve of your use in this manner? not trying to be a jerk but fj tm and the wt are not parks they are public lands controlled govt agencies.

Hey Steve, it doesn't sound like YOU are the one being a jerk.......:rolleyes:

[TheJeepGuy]

Alright, I'm done with this web wheeling. I tried to make a point and help a brother out by giving him some info on a great trail, but apparently I can't have an opinion that's different over here. If anyone wants to actually "wheel" some hard sh*t, send me a PM.

And BTW...I haven't touched my website in a very long time and I know there's nobody on it...that's exactly why it's been so long since I've touched it and why I haven't posted on my own site in months. And for the record, I never called anyone retarded. I was referring to numbers, not people.

[lancetkenyon]

Alright, I'm done with this web wheeling. I tried to make a point and help a brother out by giving him some info on a great trail, but apparently I can't have an opinion that's different over here. If anyone wants to actually "wheel" some hard sh*t, send me a PM.

And BTW...I haven't touched my website in a very long time and I know there's nobody on it...that's exactly why it's been so long since I've touched it and why I haven't posted on my own site in months. And for the record, I never called anyone retarded. I was referring to numbers, not people.

Don't hold your breath.......

[Allen]

Don't hold your breath.......


x2,000,000,000






was I too harsh??

[lancetkenyon]

x2,000,000,000






was I too harsh??

Let the punishment fit the crime......no, you were not to harsh.

[SHNIPE]

Boo hoo more pissing and moaning. When will it end. you guys ruined perfectly great newb question

[RokNRich]

Hey guys sorry to start such a heated debate Just wanted to wheel a different trail with my buddys. We as 4wheelers cant get into name calling or verbal sparing we are all in this sport because of the outdoors and commaradery. We all have a passion for this everyones point is well taken next time a trail leader will be nice. Hope they show up . Let this topic rest . No ammo for trail closers. Thanks Guido 4X4


Seems like you are taking it the right way. :cool:

It is too easy for "anyone" to register an account here and then try and dig up ammo for those that don't want us enjoying what we do. Asking GPS coordinates, finding unacceptable pictures, etc, and then using that info against us is what people are afraid of.

Several people offered to join you for a quick jaunt out there, that really is a great way to meet some people and learn the trail. Elvis can be easy or hard, depending on how the rock (Elvis) gods are feeling that day. ;)

Regardless of some of the other stuff posted, there is a good reason to run a "new to you" trail with someone who has ran it before. Most of the trails have optional lines that unless you are shown them, or have a good eye for finding them, you'll miss. Also pointing out potential hazards (tie rod rock on Elvis is a great example), as well as some of the other landmarks, escape routes, etc.

HAND

[T.C.'S TOY]

Would like to come down this winter and wheel some of these trails...T.C.

[Allen]

I'd be glad to wheel with ya TC

[kemolewis]

Allen can I wheel with you I now have 33's but still no locker but your such a great spotter I shouldnt have a problem, and I want to RUN THE TRAIL.

[Allen]

I'll look and see if I got the 16-17 off. If I do I'll set up another run!