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1526 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 2:38am
Subject: "FF99" reservations
Hello All,
If anyone is planning on going to the "FF 99" XJ outing in Silverton Colorado, now is the time to be making the reservations for your stay. I just got off the phone with Ouray KOA (Headquarters for NAXJA), and the tent sites are going fast. There is also RV sites open. If this location fills up, there is room in Silverton Lakes campgrounds, but it is about 35 minutes from Ouray. (Very beautiful place though). The Headquarters were in Amphitheater CG, but had to be changed, so now they will be in Ouray. I hope this information helps.
If you need any more info. the web site is http://naxja.org/FF'99/candlinf.htm
Hope to see you there!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
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1527 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 2:47am
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Hello George,
My name is Keith Orr (Casper), I live in Safford, AZ. I noticed your e-mail posting and see that you are vacationing in Colorado. By chance are you going to the "FF 99" with NAXJA? That would be great!! I know that Dave Oboyle, Myself, and a few others are going. Let us know, it is possible that we might arrange a convoy of AZ_VJC XJer's to CO. That would be impressive!!!! Hope to see you there!
Thanks,
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
Hey George... you never did say much about the photo's from the white tank run...
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: George Andrews
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
I installed a Jacob's on my '89 XJ. It did not make much noticeable difference. I'll sell the setup for $100 if anyone is interested. As I recall, it cost about $250-300.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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1528 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:07pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
So where are you going in CO?
James
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
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1529 From: Allen Jakob <allenjakob@w...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:13pm
Subject: Re: MSD
Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at the
bottom of the lake. good luck.
Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>
> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> What can I do to increase performance there?
>
> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> else experienced this problem?
>
> Tony
>
> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s,
> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original Message-----
> >From: <yldkat@m...>
> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
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1530 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:19pm
Subject: Re: MSD
At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at the
>bottom of the lake. good luck.
>
Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
>
>> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>>
>> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
>> What can I do to increase performance there?
>>
>> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
>> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
>> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
>> else experienced this problem?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s,
>> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original Message-----
>> >From: <yldkat@m...>
>> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
>> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
>> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
>> >
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1531 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 7:03pm
Subject: Re: MSD
HEY DUDE, 4 CYL ARE OK, JUST CUZ' YOU ARE INTO BIG V8 POWER DON'T KNOCK
EVERYONE ELSE.NUTHIN' PERSONAL, BUT 4 CYL CAME IN JEEPS SINCE 1941, THEY
ONLY HAD 60 HP.
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
> At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at
the
> >bottom of the lake. good luck.
> >
>
> Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>
> >Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
> >
> >> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
> >>
> >> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> >> What can I do to increase performance there?
> >>
> >> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> >> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> >> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> >> else experienced this problem?
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
> >> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT,
D44s,
> >> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original
Message-----
> >> >From: <yldkat@m...>
> >> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
> >> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
> >> >
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1532 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:12pm
Subject: Re: MSD
At 07:03 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>HEY DUDE, 4 CYL ARE OK, JUST CUZ' YOU ARE INTO BIG V8 POWER DON'T KNOCK
>EVERYONE ELSE.NUTHIN' PERSONAL, BUT 4 CYL CAME IN JEEPS SINCE 1941, THEY
>ONLY HAD 60 HP.
Many thanks for that show of support for all of us jeep 4-bangers!
Tony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:19 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
>
>
>> At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at
>the
>> >bottom of the lake. good luck.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>>
>> >Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
>> >
>> >> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>> >>
>> >> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
>> >> What can I do to increase performance there?
>> >>
>> >> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
>> >> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
>> >> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
>> >> else experienced this problem?
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT,
>D44s,
>> >> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original
>Message-----
>> >> >From: <yldkat@m...>
>> >> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
>> >> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
>> >> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
>> >> >
>> >> > <Pvnuc@a...><az_vjc@egroups.com>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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1533 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:08pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 engine
The 4.0 in your model Jeep is a damn good powerplant stock. Don't waste your
money on power goodies with this motor. Your best bang for buck will come
from a ring and pinion swap. What ratio ring and pinion do you have in your
axles? What size tires are you running? And is it a 5 speed or automatic?
Add up the cost of the ignition upgrade (300), Borla header (300), Borla
high flow catback exhaust(289), high flow catalytic converter, and of course
there's the TC power kit that's available. These power goodies will not
begin to improve your seat of the pants acceleration, power for pulling the
trailer and climbing grades like having the proper gearing will. And this
would be the perfect time to upgrade your diffs with lockers or limited
slips if you use it for offroading.
I've done some of these mods on my 95 YJ and they are nothing in comparison
to regearing. I've only added a K&N air filter to my new TJ and that will be
it. I'm only spending my money on the gears this time around.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
OSMTJ@p...
Bone stock TJ ;)
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=28170&a=172110&p=10535704
(at least it was on the day I bought it)
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Sent: Saturday, June 26, 1999 9:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 engine
> Hi, I am new to this group and look forward to jeeping with folks that
love
> to do the same.
> I have a 94 wrangler with the 4.0 engine and would like to know if anyone
has
> upgrades for the engine to get a little more horse power? I have a small
> trailer that I have all my camping stuff in and it drags it down going up
the
> hills.
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1534 From: Jeffrey Walter <TPDC105@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:11pm
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
When is this outing? It didn't show any dates, or I just over looked it one of the two..Thanks Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Orr <korr@zekes.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] "FF99" reservations
Hello All,
If anyone is planning on going to the "FF 99" XJ outing in Silverton Colorado, now is the time to be making the reservations for your stay. I just got off the phone with Ouray KOA (Headquarters for NAXJA), and the tent sites are going fast. There is also RV sites open. If this location fills up, there is room in Silverton Lakes campgrounds, but it is about 35 minutes from Ouray. (Very beautiful place though). The Headquarters were in Amphitheater CG, but had to be changed, so now they will be in Ouray. I hope this information helps.
If you need any more info. the web site is http://naxja.org/FF'99/candlinf.htm
Hope to see you there!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
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1535 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:17pm
Subject: Re: MSD
I'd go for a ring and pinion swap to 4.56. The 4 banger is a good little
offroad motor, but does lack on the highway. Not enough added performance is
gained from ignition and exhaust upgrades on the later model Jeeps to make
it worth the money IMO. On older Jeeps ignition upgrades as well as fuel
injection and exhaust mods can have more dramatic effects.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
OSMTJ@p...
Bone stock TJ ;)
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=28170&a=172110&p=10535704
(at least it was on the day I bought it)
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>
> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> What can I do to increase performance there?
>
> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> else experienced this problem?
>
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1536 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:42am
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
Jeff,
Future Fest 99 is being held in Silverton CO. The dates are the 26th through the 1st of Aug. If by chance I gave you the wrong address this is it:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
On this web page you will find many heading you can click on to get the rest of the information concerning lodging/travel/events/trails/members/signup/what you need/etc. It is for XJ's only, but I believe there are other organizations going that accept other 4x4's. Also after the week of the NAXJA event they are staying on for more off-roading which I believe anyone can participate in . Let me know if I can help you out in any way. Be glad to!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
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1537 From: Jeffrey Walter <TPDC105@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:50pm
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
Keith,
Thank for the information !!
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Orr <korr@zekes.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: "FF99" reservations
Jeff,
Future Fest 99 is being held in Silverton CO. The dates are the 26th through the 1st of Aug. If by chance I gave you the wrong address this is it:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
On this web page you will find many heading you can click on to get the rest of the information concerning lodging/travel/events/trails/members/signup/what you need/etc. It is for XJ's only, but I believe there are other organizations going that accept other 4x4's. Also after the week of the NAXJA event they are staying on for more off-roading which I believe anyone can participate in . Let me know if I can help you out in any way. Be glad to!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
NAXJA member
AZ_VJC member
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1538 From: Michael Dirilo <mike@n...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 7:59pm
Subject: newbie
Hi. there my name is mike and I'm new here. just starting to try and build
up my '87 XJ.
Looking forward to wheelin with the group. Any help on what to do your not
to do on my XJ greatly appreciated. thx.
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1539 From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:25pm
Subject: Re: newbie
Welcome Mike! It's amazing how quickly this group is growing. With the
large number of members we now have, there's always something going on.
Many weekends we even have more than one run planned. We have people
with all types of Jeeps, from basically stock models like mine to super
modified rock crawlers. People with all levels of experience, too. And
everyone I've met has been very helpful and patient with the less
experienced. I'm looking forward to meeting you, and all the other new
members, very soon.
Dan McFarlane
Peoria, AZ.
97TJ
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:27 -0700 "Michael Dirilo" <mike@n...>
writes:
>Hi. there my name is mike and I'm new here. just starting to try and
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>Looking forward to wheelin with the group. Any help on what to do your
>not
>to do on my XJ greatly appreciated. thx.
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1540 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:46am
Subject: Re: newbie
Hello Mike,
Welcome aboard! I am the owner of an 87 XJ myself. I have begun to reach
the point where I am satisfied with my rig for now. Not really, I am sure
there will more that I want to do as time goes. By the way, do you know
about the "FF 99" event in Colorado. It is for XJ owners. I believe there is
still room for signup. I am trying to let everyone know in our Club
(AZ_VJC). It will be held from the 26th of July to the 1st of Aug. There
will be trails for all levels of experience. Here is the address for the web
page incase you are interested:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
Anyways, welcome aboard! The people in AZ_VJC are great people, and are
allot of help in the areas of fixing up your rig. They have given me allot
of good advice. Looking forward to meeting you. Maybe in Colorado?
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
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1541 From: <Pvnuc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 4:45pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 engine
Scott, already have ARB front and rear, with 4.10s for ring and pinion. I am
running 35 for tires. I have a three speed 727 auto trans. I like the gas
mileage and the RPM running down the highway, 2800 at 65 mph. If I gear down
further both of these will suffer. I am looking for a little added power on
the hills. Unfortunately I have to drive the jeep to work and a lot of
highway miles, so any lower gear and I would have to race the engine. Need a
new exhaust, so that will be a start and I will see how it does. Hate the way
the factory runs the stock exhaust bent it up many times.
Thanks for the info.,
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1542 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:58pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Keith,
Nope, not going to the FF99 gig. My wife Marcia and myself are cruising the microbrews across the state of Colorado. Silverton, Ouray, Grand Junction, then into Utah...Moab..then home. No real plans to 4WD...but one never knows.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'88 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Orr <korr@zekes.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:44 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Hello George,
My name is Keith Orr (Casper), I live in Safford, AZ. I noticed your e-mail posting and see that you are vacationing in Colorado. By chance are you going to the "FF 99" with NAXJA? That would be great!! I know that Dave Oboyle, Myself, and a few others are going. Let us know, it is possible that we might arrange a convoy of AZ_VJC XJer's to CO. That would be impressive!!!! Hope to see you there!
Thanks,
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
Hey George... you never did say much about the photo's from the white tank run...
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: George Andrews
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
I installed a Jacob's on my '89 XJ. It did not make much noticeable difference. I'll sell the setup for $100 if anyone is interested. As I recall, it cost about $250-300.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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1543 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:59pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Silverton, Ouray, Grand Junction...Moab Utah
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: James Junkin <jjunkin@petrotek.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
So where are you going in CO?
James
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
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1544 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 9:22am
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
I am not sure when you are going, but if you are in the area the same time (Ouray-26th through Aug. 1st) as we are, look us up at the Ouray KOA. Sounds like you and your wife will have a great time.
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
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1545 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 11:02pm
Subject: Re: ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
I am thinking of going on this run.. I am at 32nd st and indian school. I may have to work the night of the 2nd and get off at 700am. so an early start would be good. I ;ll keep you guys posted on my schedule.
so we can head up together. that is if you head up on the 3rd...
Dave (azxj) 93xj sport
-----Original Message-----
From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s2bsi.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 6:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
Hey , is there anyone else from AZVJC going to the Rim on the 2nd or 3rd? If so maybe we can hookup into one group up there. Doug, we are at Norther and Sqauw Peak, we may go up I17, it is much quiker from there for us. We could meet up at H87 and Shea at one of the gas stations there.
DougB wrote:
Sounds great. Count me in. I can meet you either in Phoenix or up on the Rim. There's a Mobil station at Chandler Blvd (east) and I-10, if you want to meet there..or anywhere else for that matter. Let me know what works best for you. Doug-----Original Message-----
From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@mmsi.com>
To: AZ_vjc@makelist.com <AZ_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 8:56 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
LOCATION NEAR CLINTS WELL, TAKE BEELINE HWY. (SR87) NORTH THROUGH
PAYSON,
>PINE & STRAWBERRY. ON TOP OF THE RIM, APPROX 3 MILES BEFORE CLINTS WELL
>(JUST PAST MILE MARKER 287), TAKE THE RIGHT TURN ONTO FOREST ROAD # 147.
>GO ABOUT 2 MILES ON THE DIRT ROAD AND TAKE THE LEFT ONTO FOREST ROAD #
>612. CAMP WILL BE APPROX. 1/4 MILE ON THE LEFT (SAME AS LAST YEAR FOR
>THOSE WHO ATTENDED). IF YOU MISS FOREST ROAD # 147 CONTINUE ON APPROX. 2
>MILES TO FOREST ROAD # AND TURN RIGHT. GO APPROX. 2 MILES AND TURN RIGHT
>ONTO FOREST ROAD # 612. CAMP APPROX. 3/4 MILE ON THE RIGHT.
>
>THIS IS A BRING YOU OWN FOOD EVENT. THERE WILL BE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE GAMES,
>HORSESHOES, FRISBEES, KIDS GAMES, ETC., AND ICE CREAM ON SATURDAY. CASUAL
>RUN ON SUNDAY. SAME ARE STAYING UNTIL MONDAY. JOIN US FOR THE FUN.
The group from Tucson will be swinging through the Phoenix
area Friday night (we are meeting at 5PM in Tucson
and will try to leave promptly) If anyone is interested,
we can hook up in Phoenix when we stop for gas.
Leah "SHE J" 94YJ ~Tucson~
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1526 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 2:38am
Subject: "FF99" reservations
Hello All,
If anyone is planning on going to the "FF 99" XJ outing in Silverton Colorado, now is the time to be making the reservations for your stay. I just got off the phone with Ouray KOA (Headquarters for NAXJA), and the tent sites are going fast. There is also RV sites open. If this location fills up, there is room in Silverton Lakes campgrounds, but it is about 35 minutes from Ouray. (Very beautiful place though). The Headquarters were in Amphitheater CG, but had to be changed, so now they will be in Ouray. I hope this information helps.
If you need any more info. the web site is http://naxja.org/FF'99/candlinf.htm
Hope to see you there!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
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1527 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 2:47am
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Hello George,
My name is Keith Orr (Casper), I live in Safford, AZ. I noticed your e-mail posting and see that you are vacationing in Colorado. By chance are you going to the "FF 99" with NAXJA? That would be great!! I know that Dave Oboyle, Myself, and a few others are going. Let us know, it is possible that we might arrange a convoy of AZ_VJC XJer's to CO. That would be impressive!!!! Hope to see you there!
Thanks,
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
Hey George... you never did say much about the photo's from the white tank run...
Troy
----- Original Message -----
From: George Andrews
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
I installed a Jacob's on my '89 XJ. It did not make much noticeable difference. I'll sell the setup for $100 if anyone is interested. As I recall, it cost about $250-300.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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1528 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:07pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
So where are you going in CO?
James
-----Original Message-----
From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
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1529 From: Allen Jakob <allenjakob@w...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:13pm
Subject: Re: MSD
Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at the
bottom of the lake. good luck.
Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>
> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> What can I do to increase performance there?
>
> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> else experienced this problem?
>
> Tony
>
> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s,
> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original Message-----
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> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
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1530 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 3:19pm
Subject: Re: MSD
At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at the
>bottom of the lake. good luck.
>
Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
>
>> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>>
>> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
>> What can I do to increase performance there?
>>
>> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
>> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
>> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
>> else experienced this problem?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s,
>> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original Message-----
>> >From: <yldkat@m...>
>> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
>> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
>> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ [ 4.0 engine]]
>> >
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1531 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 7:03pm
Subject: Re: MSD
HEY DUDE, 4 CYL ARE OK, JUST CUZ' YOU ARE INTO BIG V8 POWER DON'T KNOCK
EVERYONE ELSE.NUTHIN' PERSONAL, BUT 4 CYL CAME IN JEEPS SINCE 1941, THEY
ONLY HAD 60 HP.
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:19 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
> At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at
the
> >bottom of the lake. good luck.
> >
>
> Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>
> >Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
> >
> >> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> >> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
> >>
> >> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> >> What can I do to increase performance there?
> >>
> >> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> >> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> >> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> >> else experienced this problem?
> >>
> >> Tony
> >>
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> >> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original
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1532 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:12pm
Subject: Re: MSD
At 07:03 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>HEY DUDE, 4 CYL ARE OK, JUST CUZ' YOU ARE INTO BIG V8 POWER DON'T KNOCK
>EVERYONE ELSE.NUTHIN' PERSONAL, BUT 4 CYL CAME IN JEEPS SINCE 1941, THEY
>ONLY HAD 60 HP.
Many thanks for that show of support for all of us jeep 4-bangers!
Tony
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
>To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
>Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:19 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
>
>
>> At 03:13 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >Best performance for a boat anchor iv'e found is on the downhill, or at
>the
>> >bottom of the lake. good luck.
>> >
>>
>> Yeah, I should yank out that boat anchor and drop in a V-6 =P
>>
>> >Anthony R. Nemmer wrote:
>> >
>> >> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
>> >> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>> >>
>> >> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
>> >> What can I do to increase performance there?
>> >>
>> >> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
>> >> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
>> >> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
>> >> else experienced this problem?
>> >>
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT,
>D44s,
>> >> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original
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1533 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:08pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 engine
The 4.0 in your model Jeep is a damn good powerplant stock. Don't waste your
money on power goodies with this motor. Your best bang for buck will come
from a ring and pinion swap. What ratio ring and pinion do you have in your
axles? What size tires are you running? And is it a 5 speed or automatic?
Add up the cost of the ignition upgrade (300), Borla header (300), Borla
high flow catback exhaust(289), high flow catalytic converter, and of course
there's the TC power kit that's available. These power goodies will not
begin to improve your seat of the pants acceleration, power for pulling the
trailer and climbing grades like having the proper gearing will. And this
would be the perfect time to upgrade your diffs with lockers or limited
slips if you use it for offroading.
I've done some of these mods on my 95 YJ and they are nothing in comparison
to regearing. I've only added a K&N air filter to my new TJ and that will be
it. I'm only spending my money on the gears this time around.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
OSMTJ@p...
Bone stock TJ ;)
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Subject: [az_vjc] 4.0 engine
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> I have a 94 wrangler with the 4.0 engine and would like to know if anyone
has
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> trailer that I have all my camping stuff in and it drags it down going up
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1534 From: Jeffrey Walter <TPDC105@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:11pm
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
When is this outing? It didn't show any dates, or I just over looked it one of the two..Thanks Jeff
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From: Keith Orr <korr@zekes.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:34 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] "FF99" reservations
Hello All,
If anyone is planning on going to the "FF 99" XJ outing in Silverton Colorado, now is the time to be making the reservations for your stay. I just got off the phone with Ouray KOA (Headquarters for NAXJA), and the tent sites are going fast. There is also RV sites open. If this location fills up, there is room in Silverton Lakes campgrounds, but it is about 35 minutes from Ouray. (Very beautiful place though). The Headquarters were in Amphitheater CG, but had to be changed, so now they will be in Ouray. I hope this information helps.
If you need any more info. the web site is http://naxja.org/FF'99/candlinf.htm
Hope to see you there!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
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1535 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:17pm
Subject: Re: MSD
I'd go for a ring and pinion swap to 4.56. The 4 banger is a good little
offroad motor, but does lack on the highway. Not enough added performance is
gained from ignition and exhaust upgrades on the later model Jeeps to make
it worth the money IMO. On older Jeeps ignition upgrades as well as fuel
injection and exhaust mods can have more dramatic effects.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
OSMTJ@p...
Bone stock TJ ;)
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=28170&a=172110&p=10535704
(at least it was on the day I bought it)
----- Original Message -----
From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:30 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: MSD
> At 02:16 PM 6/27/99 -0700, you wrote:
> > I have the MSD offroad 6 in my SJ.....now it makes a noticable
>
> OK you guys, what about my itty bitty '94 YJ 4 cylinder boat anchor?
> What can I do to increase performance there?
>
> Also, it seems like my computer is acting up. After about a 45 min
> drive, I'll stop. When I turn the engine back on, it's either idling
> high (2.5) or it idles so low that it almost shuts off. Has anyone
> else experienced this problem?
>
> Tony
>
> >improvement! George Andrews '82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s,
> >35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD '88 XJ Avondale Arizona -----Original Message-----
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> >To: az_vjc@egroups.com<az_vjc@egroups.com>
> >Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 12:43 PM
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1536 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:42am
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
Jeff,
Future Fest 99 is being held in Silverton CO. The dates are the 26th through the 1st of Aug. If by chance I gave you the wrong address this is it:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
On this web page you will find many heading you can click on to get the rest of the information concerning lodging/travel/events/trails/members/signup/what you need/etc. It is for XJ's only, but I believe there are other organizations going that accept other 4x4's. Also after the week of the NAXJA event they are staying on for more off-roading which I believe anyone can participate in . Let me know if I can help you out in any way. Be glad to!!!!!
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87 XJ
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1537 From: Jeffrey Walter <TPDC105@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 6:50pm
Subject: Re: "FF99" reservations
Keith,
Thank for the information !!
Jeff
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Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 6:37 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: "FF99" reservations
Jeff,
Future Fest 99 is being held in Silverton CO. The dates are the 26th through the 1st of Aug. If by chance I gave you the wrong address this is it:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
On this web page you will find many heading you can click on to get the rest of the information concerning lodging/travel/events/trails/members/signup/what you need/etc. It is for XJ's only, but I believe there are other organizations going that accept other 4x4's. Also after the week of the NAXJA event they are staying on for more off-roading which I believe anyone can participate in . Let me know if I can help you out in any way. Be glad to!!!!!
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
NAXJA member
AZ_VJC member
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1538 From: Michael Dirilo <mike@n...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 7:59pm
Subject: newbie
Hi. there my name is mike and I'm new here. just starting to try and build
up my '87 XJ.
Looking forward to wheelin with the group. Any help on what to do your not
to do on my XJ greatly appreciated. thx.
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1539 From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:25pm
Subject: Re: newbie
Welcome Mike! It's amazing how quickly this group is growing. With the
large number of members we now have, there's always something going on.
Many weekends we even have more than one run planned. We have people
with all types of Jeeps, from basically stock models like mine to super
modified rock crawlers. People with all levels of experience, too. And
everyone I've met has been very helpful and patient with the less
experienced. I'm looking forward to meeting you, and all the other new
members, very soon.
Dan McFarlane
Peoria, AZ.
97TJ
On Sun, 27 Jun 1999 19:59:27 -0700 "Michael Dirilo" <mike@n...>
writes:
>Hi. there my name is mike and I'm new here. just starting to try and
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1540 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:46am
Subject: Re: newbie
Hello Mike,
Welcome aboard! I am the owner of an 87 XJ myself. I have begun to reach
the point where I am satisfied with my rig for now. Not really, I am sure
there will more that I want to do as time goes. By the way, do you know
about the "FF 99" event in Colorado. It is for XJ owners. I believe there is
still room for signup. I am trying to let everyone know in our Club
(AZ_VJC). It will be held from the 26th of July to the 1st of Aug. There
will be trails for all levels of experience. Here is the address for the web
page incase you are interested:
http://naxja.org/FF99/xjforum.htm
Anyways, welcome aboard! The people in AZ_VJC are great people, and are
allot of help in the areas of fixing up your rig. They have given me allot
of good advice. Looking forward to meeting you. Maybe in Colorado?
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
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1541 From: <Pvnuc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 4:45pm
Subject: Re: 4.0 engine
Scott, already have ARB front and rear, with 4.10s for ring and pinion. I am
running 35 for tires. I have a three speed 727 auto trans. I like the gas
mileage and the RPM running down the highway, 2800 at 65 mph. If I gear down
further both of these will suffer. I am looking for a little added power on
the hills. Unfortunately I have to drive the jeep to work and a lot of
highway miles, so any lower gear and I would have to race the engine. Need a
new exhaust, so that will be a start and I will see how it does. Hate the way
the factory runs the stock exhaust bent it up many times.
Thanks for the info.,
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1542 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:58pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Keith,
Nope, not going to the FF99 gig. My wife Marcia and myself are cruising the microbrews across the state of Colorado. Silverton, Ouray, Grand Junction, then into Utah...Moab..then home. No real plans to 4WD...but one never knows.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'88 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:44 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Hello George,
My name is Keith Orr (Casper), I live in Safford, AZ. I noticed your e-mail posting and see that you are vacationing in Colorado. By chance are you going to the "FF 99" with NAXJA? That would be great!! I know that Dave Oboyle, Myself, and a few others are going. Let us know, it is possible that we might arrange a convoy of AZ_VJC XJer's to CO. That would be impressive!!!! Hope to see you there!
Thanks,
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
Safford, AZ
AZ_VJC member
NAXJA member
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From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 2:09 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
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From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 10:37 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
Hey George... you never did say much about the photo's from the white tank run...
Troy
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From: George Andrews
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 1999 8:54 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [ 4.0 engine]
I installed a Jacob's on my '89 XJ. It did not make much noticeable difference. I'll sell the setup for $100 if anyone is interested. As I recall, it cost about $250-300.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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1543 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 8:59pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
Silverton, Ouray, Grand Junction...Moab Utah
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
'888 XJ, stock
Avondale Arizona
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From: James Junkin <jjunkin@petrotek.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:07 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
So where are you going in CO?
James
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From: George Andrews <gandre01@email.msn.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 27, 1999 3:01 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks photos and misc.
Pictures of the White Tanks came out pretty well....a few good ones of Shannon and her XJ. I've been extremely busy with work and haven't had much time to JEEP. I need to get the photos to someone who can scan them in. My schedule doesn't see much slack. Work 5 days this week (I usually work only 4-10s), then vacation in Colorado the following week (looking forward to the cool)...taking Marcia's XJ. Then back to work!
George
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1544 From: Keith Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 9:22am
Subject: Re: White Tanks photos and misc.
George,
I am not sure when you are going, but if you are in the area the same time (Ouray-26th through Aug. 1st) as we are, look us up at the Ouray KOA. Sounds like you and your wife will have a great time.
Keith (Casper)
87 XJ
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1545 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 27, 1999 11:02pm
Subject: Re: ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
I am thinking of going on this run.. I am at 32nd st and indian school. I may have to work the night of the 2nd and get off at 700am. so an early start would be good. I ;ll keep you guys posted on my schedule.
so we can head up together. that is if you head up on the 3rd...
Dave (azxj) 93xj sport
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From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s2bsi.com>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 26, 1999 6:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
Hey , is there anyone else from AZVJC going to the Rim on the 2nd or 3rd? If so maybe we can hookup into one group up there. Doug, we are at Norther and Sqauw Peak, we may go up I17, it is much quiker from there for us. We could meet up at H87 and Shea at one of the gas stations there.
DougB wrote:
Sounds great. Count me in. I can meet you either in Phoenix or up on the Rim. There's a Mobil station at Chandler Blvd (east) and I-10, if you want to meet there..or anywhere else for that matter. Let me know what works best for you. Doug-----Original Message-----
From: Leah Eliscu <eliscu@mmsi.com>
To: AZ_vjc@makelist.com <AZ_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 8:56 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] ATT: DougB! 4th of July on the rim
LOCATION NEAR CLINTS WELL, TAKE BEELINE HWY. (SR87) NORTH THROUGH
PAYSON,
>PINE & STRAWBERRY. ON TOP OF THE RIM, APPROX 3 MILES BEFORE CLINTS WELL
>(JUST PAST MILE MARKER 287), TAKE THE RIGHT TURN ONTO FOREST ROAD # 147.
>GO ABOUT 2 MILES ON THE DIRT ROAD AND TAKE THE LEFT ONTO FOREST ROAD #
>612. CAMP WILL BE APPROX. 1/4 MILE ON THE LEFT (SAME AS LAST YEAR FOR
>THOSE WHO ATTENDED). IF YOU MISS FOREST ROAD # 147 CONTINUE ON APPROX. 2
>MILES TO FOREST ROAD # AND TURN RIGHT. GO APPROX. 2 MILES AND TURN RIGHT
>ONTO FOREST ROAD # 612. CAMP APPROX. 3/4 MILE ON THE RIGHT.
>
>THIS IS A BRING YOU OWN FOOD EVENT. THERE WILL BE FOUR WHEEL DRIVE GAMES,
>HORSESHOES, FRISBEES, KIDS GAMES, ETC., AND ICE CREAM ON SATURDAY. CASUAL
>RUN ON SUNDAY. SAME ARE STAYING UNTIL MONDAY. JOIN US FOR THE FUN.
The group from Tucson will be swinging through the Phoenix
area Friday night (we are meeting at 5PM in Tucson
and will try to leave promptly) If anyone is interested,
we can hook up in Phoenix when we stop for gas.
Leah "SHE J" 94YJ ~Tucson~
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