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57352 From: Mike Hoyt <mike@v...>
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:54pm
Subject: NOVA Fire program on KAET 6/25 11:30PM
For those night owls...
There is a NOVA fire program on KAET from 11:30pm to 1:30am
So far they have been talking about many of the topics of discussion lately, including natural fires, thinning etc...
-Mike
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57353 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 1:36am
Subject: Re: Greens Screaming Foul
I see your point. He speaks of the only trees that should be thinned is the ones near homes. That logging or thinning the larger trees does not help prevent fuel for a harsh fire (in my own words). And that it is all about the money (timber workers) but that door swings both ways. The timber workers make their money off the trees, a lot of houses are built from wood, the table you set the remote on, the patio deck in back, or your kids tree house in back yard, it wasn't made with a blanket and a couple of kitchen chairs. But yet in a recent fire I heard a Fire Fighter was injured when a large tree fell on him while fighting the blaze. If the timber workers were allowed to thin that area the tree would not have been there to fall on him. And how much of a financial impact does a big fire that cannot be contained cost, in lives, heart ship, loss of valuables, people getting together to fork over what they have worked for to help in the fighting of blazes. If the big trees were removed than the fire would be easier to control, IMO. He states (Fred) to eliminate the fuel by removing the little trees and under bush, I can see how this helps (NOT). Cut down the little trees and they are gone. Leave the big trees and they die. So all the big trees are gone and the little trees that could have grown up to be big trees are gone and now there is no forest to burn, good thinking.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hackle
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:16 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
Who is FredTJ he does not sign his messages and he spends his time
explaining things about how great the greenie's are? Has anyone ever met him
on a run does he have a TJ?
He avoids explaining how stopping roads and adding wilderness area stops
fires. (this is a greenie tool correct)
If someone knows him and I am off base let me know. But for someone that
has not been involved with many e-mails in the past he seems to be trying to
make up for it on this subject. Jim Florence
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:28 PM
To: Roger Tomas; Judith Raya
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
But the only areas that need "management" is the forest-urban boundaries. No
other parts of the forest need management. I taped an interesting thing last
night ( on the news ). One of the FS people were saying how the public icon,
Smokey the Bear, you know "only you can prevent forest fires" has actually
contributed to the problem, by instilling in people the thought that all
forest fires are bad.
They are NOT.... The forest needs fire. The only thing that is bad, or has
the potential to be bad, is fire on the forest-urban boundaries where
property and/or life is risked. This problem needs to be addressed,
certainly, and I'm sure that it will now. Thinning is require on the
boundaries, and I'm sure that soon, we'll see that happen. Logging
wilderness does not need to happen.
The primary reason that the forest are in the shape that they are today
(overgrown, too much fuel, etc), is a near century old policy of putting out
every little fire that starts.
If you look back at the Yellowstone fire, and how, "awful" everyone thought
it was. Well the Park is now healther (by virtually everyones vision) than
it's probably ever been in remembered history. The Park was really fire
starved. The FS is learning, and we are learning the hard way.
Why do you think that fire is bad ??
Regarding thinning. Logging, IMHO, is not the answer. The parts that need
thinning, again, on the forest-urban boudaries, are the trees that are way
over grown and way too thick. These are the smaller trees, not the larger
trees. The FS person last night, said the same thing, which surprised me
somewhat, as the timber industry is one of the main sources of income for
the FS and the timber industry is the one that wants into the deeper
wilderness areas and they want the big trees. So, logging won't remove the
fuel (which is the small trees, thick underbrush, etc). Logging will simply
remove the larger trees. It's all about money, and really nothing else. The
logging companies want me (through my taxes) to pay for the roads (that the
FS would build) so they can get to my (the National Forest belongs to us
all, right) forest, so that they can cut down my trees and make money for
themselves, not paying me a penny in return. To further all insult, much of
the timber would be sold overseas (Japan is on of the primary consumers of
American raw timber) and therefore the resource, or much of it, doesn't even
stay here.
The fires doesn't hurt the forest, even the really, really, bad ones, the
crown fires where old trees are killed, like the current fire. The forest
will recover and it will be healther because of it. The ideal thing is not
to have crown fires, as then there is nothing for the forest to recover
from. Regular burning doesn't hurt the trees at all, and it keeps everything
cleaned out. Crown fires do kill mature trees (as does logging), and in
those cases the forest does have to recover and that does take time. But
recover it will. Again, simply look a Yellowstone. Now, if we don't continue
to screw up, that forest will remain healthy on it's own, but it must be
allowed to burn when fires happen, except on the forest-urban boundaries.
Go back 150 years ago, or 200 years ago, before there was massive logging,
before every fire was being attacked. The forest were exteremely healty.
We've screwed it up. The FS service says the same thing. The forest has been
screwed up only during the last 100 years (almost) of us trying to "protect"
it. Smokey the Bear did more than anyone every thought that he would ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas"
To: "Judith Raya"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
> All these discussions center around treatment of the wildland-urban
> interface. They say nothing about the rest of the forest where the
> environmentalists continually push for more wilderness and roadless
> designations.
>
> Speak out both sides of their mouths, the environmentalists do. (yoda)
>
> Someone tell me - am I off base here or am I seeing through their
> smoke screen?
>
> -Roger
>
> Judith Raya wrote:
> >
> > Good day from the PCCFMU,
> > > The Center for Biological Diversity is wildly flailing about blaming
> > > everyone including the state of Arizona for the fires in the White
> > > Mountains. These people are so fanatical in their "love" of mother
> > earth
> > > that they will see her burn rather than admit to their mistakes and
> > > allow responsible land and forest management to take place. It is my
> > > belief that most of the leaders in the green groups are mentally ill
> > and
> > > in serious need of deprograming and therapy. Their "love" of the earth
> >
> > > is not love but an unhealthy obsession. What they essentially do is
> > > stalk their earth love and anyone who may have divergent interests or
> > > uses for it other than their own. Burning, terrorizing, intimidation,
> > > obstruction and litigation are their means to "protect" her ( in
> > their
> > > sick minds) from those they state would rape and misuse her.
> > > It is time to clearly draw the line between good land management
> > > practices and science, and the druidic, earth worshiping fanaticism
> > that
> > > is being foisted upon the people of North America by the green
> > > organizations across the country.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Glynn Burkhardt
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > Arizona Fire Update
> > > Date:
> > > 24 Jun 2002 23:39:09 -0000
> > > From:
> > > "Center for Biological Diveristy"
> > >
> > > Reply-To:
> > > notice-reply-i8gkwb4r78xmbm@actionnetwork.org
> > > To:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NEWS ADVISORY: Monday, June 24
> > > CONTACT: Brian Segee, (520) 623-5252 x308
> > > More Information:
> > > http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/Programs/fire/index.html
> > >
> > > STATE PRESSURED FOREST SERVICE TO HALT FUELS REDUCTION
> > > PROJECT IN RODEO BURN AREA
> > >
> > > GOVERNOR HULL SCAPEGOATS ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR LARGEST
> > > FIRES IN ARIZONA HISTORY
> > >
> > > As Arizona faces its largest wildfire in history with
> > > hundreds of homes destroyed and thousands of people
> > > evacuated from their homes, Governor Jane Hull has
> > > seized upon the tragedy to advance her own anti-environmental
> > > agenda: On Sunday, June 23rd, Hull appeared on television
> > > to blame environmentalists for the fire.
> > >
> > > The Governor predictably failed to explain how environmentalists
> > > were to blame for the fires. Additionally, the Governor
> > > failed to mention 1) that a prescribed fire set by
> > > the U.S. Forest Service to reduce fuel loads within
> > > the burned area was stopped by state intervention,
> > > 2) the vast majority of the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forests have been previously logged by the U.S. Forest
> > > Service, 3) a recent report by the Government Accounting
> > > Office (GAO) found that only 1% of Forest Service fuel
> > > reduction projects were challenged with appeals or
> > > lawsuits, and 4) a second recent report by the GAO
> > > found that the Forest Service has misdirected funds
> > > from its massive fuels reduction budget away from the
> > > protection of rural communities threatened by fire.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Los Angeles Times recently reported that a prescribed
> > > fire set by the U.S. Forest Service to reduce fuels
> > > in what is now the Rodeo-Chediski fire was stopped
> > > by unwarranted intervention by state agencies:
> > >
> > > "When controlled burns were set recently in the Apache
> > > Sitgreaves National Forest, where the Rodeo fire now
> > > rages, nearby residents complained to state air quality
> > > officials about the smoke. The state pressured Forest
> > > Service officials to extinguish the blazes prematurely,
> > > Anderson (planner on the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forest) said. "Other plans to start controlled burns
> > > have been blocked by litigation, he said." (17 Blazes
> > > Charring the West, Los Angeles Times, 6-23-02).
> > >
> > > The Governor's scapegoating of environmentalists is
> > > fundamentally inaccurate. The Center for Biological
> > > Diversity (CBD), Sierra Club, Southwest Forest Alliance
> > > and other environmental organizations have long supported
> > > the use of both prescribed fire and thinning of small-diameter
> > > trees as the most effective methods to reduce fire
> > > danger within Southwestern ponderosa pine forests.
> > > Ironically, CBD sits on Governor's Forest Health/Fire
> > > Plan Advisory Committee, a group appointed by Jane
> > > Hull to advise governor on community protection and
> > > forest restoration issues and to make recommendations
> > > on where to spend National Fire Plan funds. We also
> > > are on Senator Bingaman's (D-NM) Community Forest Restoration
> > > Program Advisory Committee, which is charged with distribution
> > > of $ 5 million annually to rural communities for forest
> > > restoration and community protection.
> > >
> > > "The Governor is opportunistically and cynically using
> > > this on-going tragedy to further an anti-environmental
> > > agenda," stated Brian Segee with CBD. "Not only do
> > > we strongly support community protection efforts such
> > > as wildland-urban interface treatments, prescribed
> > > burning and small-diameter thinning, we are deeply
> > > involved in on-going collaborative and governmental
> > > efforts to make such goals a reality."
> > >
> > > Independent studies conducted by the federal government
> > > also directly contradict charges that environmental
> > > organizations are preventing needed fuels reduction
> > > projects from being completed. As stated in an August
> > > 2001 report by the Government Accounting Office (GAO),
> > > an independent investigative branch of Congress:
> > >
> > > "In summary, as of July 18, 2001, the Forest Service
> > > has completed the necessary environmental analysis
> > > and had decided to implement 1,671 hazardous fuel reduction
> > > projects in fiscal year 2001. Of these projects, 20
> > > (about 1 percent) had been appealed and none had been
> > > litigated. Appellants included environmental groups,
> > > recreation groups, private industry interests, and
> > > individuals."
> > >
> > > Under the National Fire Plan, passed in the wake of
> > > 2000's intense fire season, the Forest Service and
> > > other federal agencies were given over $2 billion
> > > to thin brush and small-diameter trees, with an emphasis
> > > on community protection. GAO research has concluded
> > > that the Forest Service could not account for how this
> > > money was being spent. In a January 2002 GAO report
> > > entitled "Severe Wildland Fires: Leadership and Accountability
> > > Needed to Reduce Risks to Communities and Resources,"
> > > it is stated:
> > >
> > > "Over a year after the Congress substantially increased
> > > funds to reduce hazardous fuels, the federal effort
> > > still lacks clearly defined and effective leadership
> > > . . .it is not possible to determine if the $796 million
> > > appropriated for hazardous fuels reduction in fiscal
> > > years 2001 and 2002 is targeted to the communities
> > > and other areas at highest risk of severe wildland
> > > fires."
> > >
> > > Finally, forgotten in the Governor's continued and
> > > escalating attack against environmentalists is the
> > > fact that almost all of the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forests where the two fires are burning has been intensively
> > > logged. Almost no area along the relatively flat and
> > > easily accessible Mogollon Rim has been spared from
> > > logging.
> > >
> > > For more information,
> > > http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/Programs/fire/index.html
> > >
> > > (end)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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57354 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:47am
Subject: Re: Into Scrolling
For some of us that get messages and think they are no concern and delete them, we don't get a chance to read them and when something later comes up and has a different topic and we read, "That is a great idea but check you bump stops", it makes it easier to understand what they are talking about and be able to offer some insight.
----- Original Message -----
From: iamskybum
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Into Scrolling
Hi guys and Ladies
This is my 1st post here and I hope that I am not offending anyone
right out of the gate.
I feel that a little more attention to the way you reply to messages
might be of concern to everyone. If you could stop sending the
entire set of previous messages in your reply it would make it alot
easier to scan thru all the new ideas and thoughts of everyone here.
This site is great for info on what is going on and the tech tips
everyone has to offer. LEts keep it as great as it is just a little
simpler to read.
A small help of info for all. I have found Nevada Speedometer knows
just about everything you would want to know about setting your
gearing up right. They are in Sparks, NV 775-358-7422.
Scott
Love to 4By
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57355 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 3:03am
Subject: Volunteer Fire Fighters
Would any one be interested, me being in bad shape it would kill me but maybe others would be interested. It would be another way to help.
Michael!
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57356 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:08am
Subject: Re: possible fire run decal?????
Put me in for 4... in yellow if possible
Thanks
Roy
57357 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:10am
Subject: RE: Heating Problem
Mike,
Your gauges are computer controlled and filtered... the gauge may say 210
but trust me, it is anything BUT. My TJ did the same thing and after I
replaced the gauge with an aftermarket one, it varies from 200 all the way
up to 240 depending on idle, A/C, Cruise, etc.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:55 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Williams
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
>
>
> My 98 runs at 210 all the time, a/c on or off idleing or cruising.
>
57358 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:37am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Check to insure that the AUX/AC electric fan is coming on. It should
be on all the time the AC is on. If not could be sensor, relay or fan.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
slate,
> this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree thermostat,
> bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test, I
> drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with the
> gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
and
> it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
to
> boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the car
> twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Jose
57359 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:41am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
the AC, as someone suggested.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
slate,
> this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree thermostat,
> bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test, I
> drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with the
> gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
and
> it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
to
> boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the car
> twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Jose
57360 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:09am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
95 ZJ 5.2L, no electric fan just the mechanical, water pump does not
leak and when I ran it without a thermostat, to see if it was stuck
closed, coolant circulated fine in the system. Believe me guys/gals
I'm really lost on this one. I've been thinking of installing an
electric "push" type fan to augment cooling capacity but it seems
like a patch to me, not the real solution. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
> pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
> the AC, as someone suggested.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> > My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> > Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
> slate,
> > this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree
thermostat,
> > bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> > problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test,
I
> > drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with
the
> > gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
> and
> > it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
> to
> > boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the
car
> > twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> > miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jose
57361 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:20am
Subject: RE: re: forest fire help
Mike I think I helped people find the page. Check it out.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:05 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
I,m still trying to get a hold of Mike Chatfield and Rob Williams regarding Saturdays run. So far, KDKB, KNIX, KUPD,KKLT,KMXP all have or will mention our run. People are having problems finding the info on our website.
Mike
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57362 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:17am
Subject: RE: re: Payson run
Hi Mike, I don't pay as much attention to the VJC anymore...to much BS to read through with my business stuff. We moved to Payson June 1st. What is going on with this Payson run?
Thx
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57363 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:32am
Subject: Rocky Point trip
I just wanted to share a few thing from my Rocky Point trip.
First, you aren't allowed to wheel on the beech anymore. Two years ago when
I was down there it was okay. This time, well let's just say I bought the
Polica a lunch/dinner to get out of the fine. There were no signs posted and
there were other vehicles on the beach, they just happened to be locals.
Second, I managed to find a few spots to go wheeling, even a few rocks to
crawl over.
Third, what is so hard about "Competition Hill"? I never got stuck the whole
time I was down there and I tried a few times.
Lastly, that salt water/air was really hard on all my under painted mods. I
need to go out sand and repaint a couple of things.
--James
(The story about my encounter with the Polica is too long to type it out.
Let's just say it ended up being hilarious.)
57364 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: thick or thin ring gear
That sounds strange. The 5.38:1 should have a small pinion and a thick ring
gear. The best way to find out what you have is mark the ring gear, rotate
the pinion and count how many times it goes around to make the mark on the
ring gear rotate once. Then you know for sure what you have.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fourwhlcrzy@a... [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:31 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] thick or thin ring gear
I have aquired two dana44 gearsets with carriers ,5:38. carriers are same,
tooth count is same, but one ring is thicker with a smaller pinionhead. any
difference?
thanks
daren
52 M-38
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57365 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:51am
Subject: Asked + Answered
Yes, you are way off base and No, I don't know FredTJ either. But then
again, you don't know me, therefore per your logic, I should not be posting
here ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but, this forum is for all members of
AZVJC. I have made my living in the lumber business for the past 20+ years
so it should be obvious which side of the debate I am on. That being said, I
have seen many posts signed by FredTJ. In fact, his first post on this
subject stated something to the effect that he was trying to analyze the
debate from an objective standpoint. Being willing to invest the time and
effort to research the facts, and not pass along emotional commentary, I for
one look forward to hearing what his research has determined. Then, I will
decide if what has been stated makes sense to me! Either way, it is his
right to state it !
So, let me know if you think I'm wrong and we will simply have a "healthy
difference of opinion"
Bob Jacques.
57366 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:11am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Ouch. Thats mucho caliente and no bueno for engine life. Are you using
Water Wetter?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'The Acuna Family'" <mkacuna@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
"'Ralph Williams'" <ralphbw@q...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
> Mike,
>
> Your gauges are computer controlled and filtered... the gauge may say 210
> but trust me, it is anything BUT. My TJ did the same thing and after I
> replaced the gauge with an aftermarket one, it varies from 200 all the way
> up to 240 depending on idle, A/C, Cruise, etc.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:55 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Williams
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
> >
> >
> > My 98 runs at 210 all the time, a/c on or off idleing or cruising.
> >
>
>
57367 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:13am
Subject: Re: re: forest fire help
Great job Joey! It appears to have worked, because some folks that contacted me yesterday are signed up.
Thanks again,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'The Acuna Family' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Cc: 'Chatfield, Mike'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
Mike I think I helped people find the page. Check it out.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:05 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
I,m still trying to get a hold of Mike Chatfield and Rob Williams regarding Saturdays run. So far, KDKB, KNIX, KUPD,KKLT,KMXP all have or will mention our run. People are having problems finding the info on our website.
Mike
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57368 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:17am
Subject: RE: Re: Heating Problem
Let me start by saying that I am not an engineer (OK...some of you can stop
clapping now) and I've never had a course in thermodynamics. But....as I
understand it, just because you have water circulating through your
radiator, it does not mean you are getting complete heat transfer between
the water and the radiator. Case in point....old electric hot water heaters
that have mineral content plated onto the heating elements are not nearly as
efficient as those with clean heating elements. Common sense says this same
issue could exist in ones radiator too.
I'm sure a mechanical engineer can explain it better, but I know that here
at the plant, the engineering department works quite hard to improve the
heat transfering abilities of the numerous systems.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Heating Problem
95 ZJ 5.2L, no electric fan just the mechanical, water pump does not
leak and when I ran it without a thermostat, to see if it was stuck
closed, coolant circulated fine in the system. Believe me guys/gals
I'm really lost on this one. I've been thinking of installing an
electric "push" type fan to augment cooling capacity but it seems
like a patch to me, not the real solution. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
> pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
> the AC, as someone suggested.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> > My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> > Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
> slate,
> > this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree
thermostat,
> > bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> > problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test,
I
> > drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with
the
> > gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
> and
> > it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
> to
> > boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the
car
> > twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> > miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jose
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57369 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Hi Everyone,
With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I think it
would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on the Payson
Rodeo Fire Support run.
If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
http://www.azvjc.org/
Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified - Saturday June
29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words Donation
and Payson in the text for the run.
I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact that TV and
radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting infrastructure and the
animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers in
general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an incredible
opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of four
wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a BBQ... I
have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not larger) for
this support run.
My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on the run to
Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a single bottle
of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you bring.
I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the opportunity of a
lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often... please... step up.
All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now you can.
PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we get TV
coverage, please send me your suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
“Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and
weigh only 1-1/2 tons.” -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
57370 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:36am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Wow this is going to be big!
I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things for the
Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to New Mexico
@ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson. Is there
anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near University
and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods for the
run.
Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to
Payson; please sign up.
> Hi Everyone,
>
> With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I think it
> would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on the Payson
> Rodeo Fire Support run.
> If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/
>
> Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified - Saturday
June
> 29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words Donation
> and Payson in the text for the run.
>
> I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact that TV
and
> radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting infrastructure and the
> animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers in
> general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an incredible
> opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of four
> wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
>
> I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a BBQ... I
> have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not larger)
for
> this support run.
> My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on the run
to
> Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a single
bottle
> of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you bring.
>
> I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the opportunity of a
> lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often... please... step
up.
> All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now you can.
>
> PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we get TV
> coverage, please send me your suggestions.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
> weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes
and
> weigh only 1-1/2 tons." -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
>
>
> Joe West
> Synopsys Applications Consultant
> 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> Tempe, Arizona 85282
>
> Office: (480) 921-3732
> Cell: (602) 524-7632
> Fax: (480) 921-8883
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57371 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:35am
Subject: RE: re: Payson run
Done. Big Red Letters! :)
Sorry I didn't see this until this morning!
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57372 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:38am
Subject: FW: Into Scrolling
Leave the first message, delete the others... especially after the topic has
changed.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:59 PM
To: 'iamskybum'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Into Scrolling
Welcome Scott. No offence taken here but I do like to see the history of
a post sometimes. I find some people (SHARKEY) don't add the previous
post and it is kind of hard to figure out what they are replying too. :)
No worries.
Are you from Nevada?
Joey K
93YJ
57373 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:40am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> Wow this is going to be big!
> I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
for the
> Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
New Mexico
> @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson.
Is there
> anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
University
> and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods
for the
> run.
> Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> Robert
>
Hey Robert,
I work at 58th and university. America West Airline..
I can take some things if you would like.
Roy
480-693-2346 Work #
57374 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:43am
Subject: Re: re: Payson run
Thanks Mike. People can contact me directly at my e-mail. We still need to come up with a good meeting place and time.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'The Acuna Family' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Done. Big Red Letters! :)
Sorry I didn't see this until this morning!
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57375 From: azcj <azcj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:44am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Bob,
I can take your donations up for you. I work at Kyrene & Elliot and
my girlfriend lives at Alma School & Queen Creek. I'll be in both
areas today if you want to meet up sometime.
-Scott E.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> Wow this is going to be big!
> I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
for the
> Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
New Mexico
> @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson.
Is there
> anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
University
> and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods
for the
> run.
> Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:15 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Almost half way there gang... if you're making
the run to
> Payson; please sign up.
>
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I
think it
> > would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on
the Payson
> > Rodeo Fire Support run.
> > If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
> >
> > http://www.azvjc.org/
> >
> > Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified -
Saturday
> June
> > 29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words
Donation
> > and Payson in the text for the run.
> >
> > I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact
that TV
> and
> > radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting
infrastructure and the
> > animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers
in
> > general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an
incredible
> > opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of
four
> > wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
> >
> > I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a
BBQ... I
> > have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not
larger)
> for
> > this support run.
> > My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on
the run
> to
> > Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a
single
> bottle
> > of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you
bring.
> >
> > I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the
opportunity of a
> > lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often...
please... step
> up.
> > All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now
you can.
> >
> > PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we
get TV
> > coverage, please send me your suggestions.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum
tubes and
> > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000
vacuum tubes
> and
> > weigh only 1-1/2 tons." -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Synopsys Applications Consultant
> > 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> > Tempe, Arizona 85282
> >
> > Office: (480) 921-3732
> > Cell: (602) 524-7632
> > Fax: (480) 921-8883
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57376 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:45am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
I still haven't seen a meeting place or time posted....... Any ideas?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "roy95yj" <roy95yj@a...> wrote:
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> > Wow this is going to be big!
> > I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
> for the
> > Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
> New Mexico
> > @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to
Payson.
> Is there
> > anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
> University
> > and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> > Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some
goods
> for the
> > run.
> > Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> > Robert
> >
> Hey Robert,
> I work at 58th and university. America West Airline..
> I can take some things if you would like.
>
> Roy
> 480-693-2346 Work #
57352 From: Mike Hoyt <mike@v...>
Date: Tue Jun 25, 2002 11:54pm
Subject: NOVA Fire program on KAET 6/25 11:30PM
For those night owls...
There is a NOVA fire program on KAET from 11:30pm to 1:30am
So far they have been talking about many of the topics of discussion lately, including natural fires, thinning etc...
-Mike
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57353 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 1:36am
Subject: Re: Greens Screaming Foul
I see your point. He speaks of the only trees that should be thinned is the ones near homes. That logging or thinning the larger trees does not help prevent fuel for a harsh fire (in my own words). And that it is all about the money (timber workers) but that door swings both ways. The timber workers make their money off the trees, a lot of houses are built from wood, the table you set the remote on, the patio deck in back, or your kids tree house in back yard, it wasn't made with a blanket and a couple of kitchen chairs. But yet in a recent fire I heard a Fire Fighter was injured when a large tree fell on him while fighting the blaze. If the timber workers were allowed to thin that area the tree would not have been there to fall on him. And how much of a financial impact does a big fire that cannot be contained cost, in lives, heart ship, loss of valuables, people getting together to fork over what they have worked for to help in the fighting of blazes. If the big trees were removed than the fire would be easier to control, IMO. He states (Fred) to eliminate the fuel by removing the little trees and under bush, I can see how this helps (NOT). Cut down the little trees and they are gone. Leave the big trees and they die. So all the big trees are gone and the little trees that could have grown up to be big trees are gone and now there is no forest to burn, good thinking.
----- Original Message -----
From: Hackle
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 3:16 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
Who is FredTJ he does not sign his messages and he spends his time
explaining things about how great the greenie's are? Has anyone ever met him
on a run does he have a TJ?
He avoids explaining how stopping roads and adding wilderness area stops
fires. (this is a greenie tool correct)
If someone knows him and I am off base let me know. But for someone that
has not been involved with many e-mails in the past he seems to be trying to
make up for it on this subject. Jim Florence
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 2:28 PM
To: Roger Tomas; Judith Raya
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
But the only areas that need "management" is the forest-urban boundaries. No
other parts of the forest need management. I taped an interesting thing last
night ( on the news ). One of the FS people were saying how the public icon,
Smokey the Bear, you know "only you can prevent forest fires" has actually
contributed to the problem, by instilling in people the thought that all
forest fires are bad.
They are NOT.... The forest needs fire. The only thing that is bad, or has
the potential to be bad, is fire on the forest-urban boundaries where
property and/or life is risked. This problem needs to be addressed,
certainly, and I'm sure that it will now. Thinning is require on the
boundaries, and I'm sure that soon, we'll see that happen. Logging
wilderness does not need to happen.
The primary reason that the forest are in the shape that they are today
(overgrown, too much fuel, etc), is a near century old policy of putting out
every little fire that starts.
If you look back at the Yellowstone fire, and how, "awful" everyone thought
it was. Well the Park is now healther (by virtually everyones vision) than
it's probably ever been in remembered history. The Park was really fire
starved. The FS is learning, and we are learning the hard way.
Why do you think that fire is bad ??
Regarding thinning. Logging, IMHO, is not the answer. The parts that need
thinning, again, on the forest-urban boudaries, are the trees that are way
over grown and way too thick. These are the smaller trees, not the larger
trees. The FS person last night, said the same thing, which surprised me
somewhat, as the timber industry is one of the main sources of income for
the FS and the timber industry is the one that wants into the deeper
wilderness areas and they want the big trees. So, logging won't remove the
fuel (which is the small trees, thick underbrush, etc). Logging will simply
remove the larger trees. It's all about money, and really nothing else. The
logging companies want me (through my taxes) to pay for the roads (that the
FS would build) so they can get to my (the National Forest belongs to us
all, right) forest, so that they can cut down my trees and make money for
themselves, not paying me a penny in return. To further all insult, much of
the timber would be sold overseas (Japan is on of the primary consumers of
American raw timber) and therefore the resource, or much of it, doesn't even
stay here.
The fires doesn't hurt the forest, even the really, really, bad ones, the
crown fires where old trees are killed, like the current fire. The forest
will recover and it will be healther because of it. The ideal thing is not
to have crown fires, as then there is nothing for the forest to recover
from. Regular burning doesn't hurt the trees at all, and it keeps everything
cleaned out. Crown fires do kill mature trees (as does logging), and in
those cases the forest does have to recover and that does take time. But
recover it will. Again, simply look a Yellowstone. Now, if we don't continue
to screw up, that forest will remain healthy on it's own, but it must be
allowed to burn when fires happen, except on the forest-urban boundaries.
Go back 150 years ago, or 200 years ago, before there was massive logging,
before every fire was being attacked. The forest were exteremely healty.
We've screwed it up. The FS service says the same thing. The forest has been
screwed up only during the last 100 years (almost) of us trying to "protect"
it. Smokey the Bear did more than anyone every thought that he would ;)
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Tomas"
To: "Judith Raya"
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 11:00 AM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Greens Screaming Foul
> All these discussions center around treatment of the wildland-urban
> interface. They say nothing about the rest of the forest where the
> environmentalists continually push for more wilderness and roadless
> designations.
>
> Speak out both sides of their mouths, the environmentalists do. (yoda)
>
> Someone tell me - am I off base here or am I seeing through their
> smoke screen?
>
> -Roger
>
> Judith Raya wrote:
> >
> > Good day from the PCCFMU,
> > > The Center for Biological Diversity is wildly flailing about blaming
> > > everyone including the state of Arizona for the fires in the White
> > > Mountains. These people are so fanatical in their "love" of mother
> > earth
> > > that they will see her burn rather than admit to their mistakes and
> > > allow responsible land and forest management to take place. It is my
> > > belief that most of the leaders in the green groups are mentally ill
> > and
> > > in serious need of deprograming and therapy. Their "love" of the earth
> >
> > > is not love but an unhealthy obsession. What they essentially do is
> > > stalk their earth love and anyone who may have divergent interests or
> > > uses for it other than their own. Burning, terrorizing, intimidation,
> > > obstruction and litigation are their means to "protect" her ( in
> > their
> > > sick minds) from those they state would rape and misuse her.
> > > It is time to clearly draw the line between good land management
> > > practices and science, and the druidic, earth worshiping fanaticism
> > that
> > > is being foisted upon the people of North America by the green
> > > organizations across the country.
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Glynn Burkhardt
> > >
> > > Subject:
> > > Arizona Fire Update
> > > Date:
> > > 24 Jun 2002 23:39:09 -0000
> > > From:
> > > "Center for Biological Diveristy"
> > >
> > > Reply-To:
> > > notice-reply-i8gkwb4r78xmbm@actionnetwork.org
> > > To:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > NEWS ADVISORY: Monday, June 24
> > > CONTACT: Brian Segee, (520) 623-5252 x308
> > > More Information:
> > > http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/Programs/fire/index.html
> > >
> > > STATE PRESSURED FOREST SERVICE TO HALT FUELS REDUCTION
> > > PROJECT IN RODEO BURN AREA
> > >
> > > GOVERNOR HULL SCAPEGOATS ENVIRONMENTALISTS FOR LARGEST
> > > FIRES IN ARIZONA HISTORY
> > >
> > > As Arizona faces its largest wildfire in history with
> > > hundreds of homes destroyed and thousands of people
> > > evacuated from their homes, Governor Jane Hull has
> > > seized upon the tragedy to advance her own anti-environmental
> > > agenda: On Sunday, June 23rd, Hull appeared on television
> > > to blame environmentalists for the fire.
> > >
> > > The Governor predictably failed to explain how environmentalists
> > > were to blame for the fires. Additionally, the Governor
> > > failed to mention 1) that a prescribed fire set by
> > > the U.S. Forest Service to reduce fuel loads within
> > > the burned area was stopped by state intervention,
> > > 2) the vast majority of the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forests have been previously logged by the U.S. Forest
> > > Service, 3) a recent report by the Government Accounting
> > > Office (GAO) found that only 1% of Forest Service fuel
> > > reduction projects were challenged with appeals or
> > > lawsuits, and 4) a second recent report by the GAO
> > > found that the Forest Service has misdirected funds
> > > from its massive fuels reduction budget away from the
> > > protection of rural communities threatened by fire.
> > >
> > >
> > > The Los Angeles Times recently reported that a prescribed
> > > fire set by the U.S. Forest Service to reduce fuels
> > > in what is now the Rodeo-Chediski fire was stopped
> > > by unwarranted intervention by state agencies:
> > >
> > > "When controlled burns were set recently in the Apache
> > > Sitgreaves National Forest, where the Rodeo fire now
> > > rages, nearby residents complained to state air quality
> > > officials about the smoke. The state pressured Forest
> > > Service officials to extinguish the blazes prematurely,
> > > Anderson (planner on the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forest) said. "Other plans to start controlled burns
> > > have been blocked by litigation, he said." (17 Blazes
> > > Charring the West, Los Angeles Times, 6-23-02).
> > >
> > > The Governor's scapegoating of environmentalists is
> > > fundamentally inaccurate. The Center for Biological
> > > Diversity (CBD), Sierra Club, Southwest Forest Alliance
> > > and other environmental organizations have long supported
> > > the use of both prescribed fire and thinning of small-diameter
> > > trees as the most effective methods to reduce fire
> > > danger within Southwestern ponderosa pine forests.
> > > Ironically, CBD sits on Governor's Forest Health/Fire
> > > Plan Advisory Committee, a group appointed by Jane
> > > Hull to advise governor on community protection and
> > > forest restoration issues and to make recommendations
> > > on where to spend National Fire Plan funds. We also
> > > are on Senator Bingaman's (D-NM) Community Forest Restoration
> > > Program Advisory Committee, which is charged with distribution
> > > of $ 5 million annually to rural communities for forest
> > > restoration and community protection.
> > >
> > > "The Governor is opportunistically and cynically using
> > > this on-going tragedy to further an anti-environmental
> > > agenda," stated Brian Segee with CBD. "Not only do
> > > we strongly support community protection efforts such
> > > as wildland-urban interface treatments, prescribed
> > > burning and small-diameter thinning, we are deeply
> > > involved in on-going collaborative and governmental
> > > efforts to make such goals a reality."
> > >
> > > Independent studies conducted by the federal government
> > > also directly contradict charges that environmental
> > > organizations are preventing needed fuels reduction
> > > projects from being completed. As stated in an August
> > > 2001 report by the Government Accounting Office (GAO),
> > > an independent investigative branch of Congress:
> > >
> > > "In summary, as of July 18, 2001, the Forest Service
> > > has completed the necessary environmental analysis
> > > and had decided to implement 1,671 hazardous fuel reduction
> > > projects in fiscal year 2001. Of these projects, 20
> > > (about 1 percent) had been appealed and none had been
> > > litigated. Appellants included environmental groups,
> > > recreation groups, private industry interests, and
> > > individuals."
> > >
> > > Under the National Fire Plan, passed in the wake of
> > > 2000's intense fire season, the Forest Service and
> > > other federal agencies were given over $2 billion
> > > to thin brush and small-diameter trees, with an emphasis
> > > on community protection. GAO research has concluded
> > > that the Forest Service could not account for how this
> > > money was being spent. In a January 2002 GAO report
> > > entitled "Severe Wildland Fires: Leadership and Accountability
> > > Needed to Reduce Risks to Communities and Resources,"
> > > it is stated:
> > >
> > > "Over a year after the Congress substantially increased
> > > funds to reduce hazardous fuels, the federal effort
> > > still lacks clearly defined and effective leadership
> > > . . .it is not possible to determine if the $796 million
> > > appropriated for hazardous fuels reduction in fiscal
> > > years 2001 and 2002 is targeted to the communities
> > > and other areas at highest risk of severe wildland
> > > fires."
> > >
> > > Finally, forgotten in the Governor's continued and
> > > escalating attack against environmentalists is the
> > > fact that almost all of the Apache-Sitgreaves National
> > > Forests where the two fires are burning has been intensively
> > > logged. Almost no area along the relatively flat and
> > > easily accessible Mogollon Rim has been spared from
> > > logging.
> > >
> > > For more information,
> > > http://www.biologicaldiversity.org/swcbd/Programs/fire/index.html
> > >
> > > (end)
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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57354 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 2:47am
Subject: Re: Into Scrolling
For some of us that get messages and think they are no concern and delete them, we don't get a chance to read them and when something later comes up and has a different topic and we read, "That is a great idea but check you bump stops", it makes it easier to understand what they are talking about and be able to offer some insight.
----- Original Message -----
From: iamskybum
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Into Scrolling
Hi guys and Ladies
This is my 1st post here and I hope that I am not offending anyone
right out of the gate.
I feel that a little more attention to the way you reply to messages
might be of concern to everyone. If you could stop sending the
entire set of previous messages in your reply it would make it alot
easier to scan thru all the new ideas and thoughts of everyone here.
This site is great for info on what is going on and the tech tips
everyone has to offer. LEts keep it as great as it is just a little
simpler to read.
A small help of info for all. I have found Nevada Speedometer knows
just about everything you would want to know about setting your
gearing up right. They are in Sparks, NV 775-358-7422.
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57355 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 3:03am
Subject: Volunteer Fire Fighters
Would any one be interested, me being in bad shape it would kill me but maybe others would be interested. It would be another way to help.
Michael!
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57356 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:08am
Subject: Re: possible fire run decal?????
Put me in for 4... in yellow if possible
Thanks
Roy
57357 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:10am
Subject: RE: Heating Problem
Mike,
Your gauges are computer controlled and filtered... the gauge may say 210
but trust me, it is anything BUT. My TJ did the same thing and after I
replaced the gauge with an aftermarket one, it varies from 200 all the way
up to 240 depending on idle, A/C, Cruise, etc.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:55 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Williams
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
>
>
> My 98 runs at 210 all the time, a/c on or off idleing or cruising.
>
57358 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:37am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Check to insure that the AUX/AC electric fan is coming on. It should
be on all the time the AC is on. If not could be sensor, relay or fan.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
slate,
> this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree thermostat,
> bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test, I
> drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with the
> gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
and
> it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
to
> boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the car
> twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Jose
57359 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 6:41am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
the AC, as someone suggested.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
slate,
> this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree thermostat,
> bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test, I
> drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with the
> gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
and
> it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
to
> boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the car
> twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Jose
57360 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:09am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
95 ZJ 5.2L, no electric fan just the mechanical, water pump does not
leak and when I ran it without a thermostat, to see if it was stuck
closed, coolant circulated fine in the system. Believe me guys/gals
I'm really lost on this one. I've been thinking of installing an
electric "push" type fan to augment cooling capacity but it seems
like a patch to me, not the real solution. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
> pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
> the AC, as someone suggested.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> > My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> > Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
> slate,
> > this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree
thermostat,
> > bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> > problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test,
I
> > drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with
the
> > gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
> and
> > it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
> to
> > boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the
car
> > twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> > miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jose
57361 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:20am
Subject: RE: re: forest fire help
Mike I think I helped people find the page. Check it out.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:05 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
I,m still trying to get a hold of Mike Chatfield and Rob Williams regarding Saturdays run. So far, KDKB, KNIX, KUPD,KKLT,KMXP all have or will mention our run. People are having problems finding the info on our website.
Mike
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57362 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:17am
Subject: RE: re: Payson run
Hi Mike, I don't pay as much attention to the VJC anymore...to much BS to read through with my business stuff. We moved to Payson June 1st. What is going on with this Payson run?
Thx
Ross Skinner
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57363 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:32am
Subject: Rocky Point trip
I just wanted to share a few thing from my Rocky Point trip.
First, you aren't allowed to wheel on the beech anymore. Two years ago when
I was down there it was okay. This time, well let's just say I bought the
Polica a lunch/dinner to get out of the fine. There were no signs posted and
there were other vehicles on the beach, they just happened to be locals.
Second, I managed to find a few spots to go wheeling, even a few rocks to
crawl over.
Third, what is so hard about "Competition Hill"? I never got stuck the whole
time I was down there and I tried a few times.
Lastly, that salt water/air was really hard on all my under painted mods. I
need to go out sand and repaint a couple of things.
--James
(The story about my encounter with the Polica is too long to type it out.
Let's just say it ended up being hilarious.)
57364 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: thick or thin ring gear
That sounds strange. The 5.38:1 should have a small pinion and a thick ring
gear. The best way to find out what you have is mark the ring gear, rotate
the pinion and count how many times it goes around to make the mark on the
ring gear rotate once. Then you know for sure what you have.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fourwhlcrzy@a... [mailto:Fourwhlcrzy@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:31 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] thick or thin ring gear
I have aquired two dana44 gearsets with carriers ,5:38. carriers are same,
tooth count is same, but one ring is thicker with a smaller pinionhead. any
difference?
thanks
daren
52 M-38
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57365 From: Bob Jacques <bjacques@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 7:51am
Subject: Asked + Answered
Yes, you are way off base and No, I don't know FredTJ either. But then
again, you don't know me, therefore per your logic, I should not be posting
here ? Correct me if I'm wrong, but, this forum is for all members of
AZVJC. I have made my living in the lumber business for the past 20+ years
so it should be obvious which side of the debate I am on. That being said, I
have seen many posts signed by FredTJ. In fact, his first post on this
subject stated something to the effect that he was trying to analyze the
debate from an objective standpoint. Being willing to invest the time and
effort to research the facts, and not pass along emotional commentary, I for
one look forward to hearing what his research has determined. Then, I will
decide if what has been stated makes sense to me! Either way, it is his
right to state it !
So, let me know if you think I'm wrong and we will simply have a "healthy
difference of opinion"
Bob Jacques.
57366 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:11am
Subject: Re: Heating Problem
Ouch. Thats mucho caliente and no bueno for engine life. Are you using
Water Wetter?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@c...>
To: "'The Acuna Family'" <mkacuna@c...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>;
"'Ralph Williams'" <ralphbw@q...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
> Mike,
>
> Your gauges are computer controlled and filtered... the gauge may say 210
> but trust me, it is anything BUT. My TJ did the same thing and after I
> replaced the gauge with an aftermarket one, it varies from 200 all the way
> up to 240 depending on idle, A/C, Cruise, etc.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@c...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 9:55 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Ralph Williams
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Heating Problem
> >
> >
> > My 98 runs at 210 all the time, a/c on or off idleing or cruising.
> >
>
>
57367 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:13am
Subject: Re: re: forest fire help
Great job Joey! It appears to have worked, because some folks that contacted me yesterday are signed up.
Thanks again,
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: 'The Acuna Family' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Cc: 'Chatfield, Mike'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:20 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
Mike I think I helped people find the page. Check it out.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 10:05 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forest fire help
I,m still trying to get a hold of Mike Chatfield and Rob Williams regarding Saturdays run. So far, KDKB, KNIX, KUPD,KKLT,KMXP all have or will mention our run. People are having problems finding the info on our website.
Mike
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57368 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:17am
Subject: RE: Re: Heating Problem
Let me start by saying that I am not an engineer (OK...some of you can stop
clapping now) and I've never had a course in thermodynamics. But....as I
understand it, just because you have water circulating through your
radiator, it does not mean you are getting complete heat transfer between
the water and the radiator. Case in point....old electric hot water heaters
that have mineral content plated onto the heating elements are not nearly as
efficient as those with clean heating elements. Common sense says this same
issue could exist in ones radiator too.
I'm sure a mechanical engineer can explain it better, but I know that here
at the plant, the engineering department works quite hard to improve the
heat transfering abilities of the numerous systems.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 7:09 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Heating Problem
95 ZJ 5.2L, no electric fan just the mechanical, water pump does not
leak and when I ran it without a thermostat, to see if it was stuck
closed, coolant circulated fine in the system. Believe me guys/gals
I'm really lost on this one. I've been thinking of installing an
electric "push" type fan to augment cooling capacity but it seems
like a patch to me, not the real solution. - Jose
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> Did you replace the radiator cap? If you did, is it the correct
> pressure cap? I would also check that the aux fan is coming on with
> the AC, as someone suggested.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...> wrote:
> > My ZJ has developed a heating problem I'm a bit at a lost at.
> > Because I purchased it last January I decided to give it clean
> slate,
> > this meant new fan clutch, serpentine belt, 180 degree
thermostat,
> > bypass hose and coolant, I flushed the system myself. Anyway the
> > problem presents itself only when I run the AC. Today, as a test,
I
> > drove back home, in 110 heat, 28 miles on surface streets with
the
> > gauge only moving up 1/3 the scale. The last 2 miles I ran the AC
> and
> > it jumped up to 210 and as soon as I tuned the car off it started
> to
> > boil out of the reservoir. Now, during my commute I stopped the
car
> > twice with out the problem, only after I ran the AC in the last 2
> > miles it heated up. Any ideas/suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Jose
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57369 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:15am
Subject: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Hi Everyone,
With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I think it
would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on the Payson
Rodeo Fire Support run.
If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
http://www.azvjc.org/
Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified - Saturday June
29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words Donation
and Payson in the text for the run.
I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact that TV and
radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting infrastructure and the
animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers in
general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an incredible
opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of four
wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a BBQ... I
have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not larger) for
this support run.
My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on the run to
Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a single bottle
of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you bring.
I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the opportunity of a
lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often... please... step up.
All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now you can.
PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we get TV
coverage, please send me your suggestions.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
“Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and
weigh only 1-1/2 tons.” -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
57370 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:36am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Wow this is going to be big!
I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things for the
Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to New Mexico
@ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson. Is there
anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near University
and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods for the
run.
Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
Robert
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:15 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to
Payson; please sign up.
> Hi Everyone,
>
> With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I think it
> would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on the Payson
> Rodeo Fire Support run.
> If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
>
> http://www.azvjc.org/
>
> Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified - Saturday
June
> 29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words Donation
> and Payson in the text for the run.
>
> I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact that TV
and
> radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting infrastructure and the
> animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers in
> general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an incredible
> opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of four
> wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
>
> I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a BBQ... I
> have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not larger)
for
> this support run.
> My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on the run
to
> Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a single
bottle
> of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you bring.
>
> I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the opportunity of a
> lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often... please... step
up.
> All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now you can.
>
> PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we get TV
> coverage, please send me your suggestions.
>
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
> "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and
> weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes
and
> weigh only 1-1/2 tons." -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
>
>
> Joe West
> Synopsys Applications Consultant
> 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> Tempe, Arizona 85282
>
> Office: (480) 921-3732
> Cell: (602) 524-7632
> Fax: (480) 921-8883
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57371 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:35am
Subject: RE: re: Payson run
Done. Big Red Letters! :)
Sorry I didn't see this until this morning!
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57372 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:38am
Subject: FW: Into Scrolling
Leave the first message, delete the others... especially after the topic has
changed.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesertJeep [mailto:joey@d...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:59 PM
To: 'iamskybum'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Into Scrolling
Welcome Scott. No offence taken here but I do like to see the history of
a post sometimes. I find some people (SHARKEY) don't add the previous
post and it is kind of hard to figure out what they are replying too. :)
No worries.
Are you from Nevada?
Joey K
93YJ
57373 From: roy95yj <roy95yj@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:40am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> Wow this is going to be big!
> I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
for the
> Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
New Mexico
> @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson.
Is there
> anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
University
> and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods
for the
> run.
> Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> Robert
>
Hey Robert,
I work at 58th and university. America West Airline..
I can take some things if you would like.
Roy
480-693-2346 Work #
57374 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:43am
Subject: Re: re: Payson run
Thanks Mike. People can contact me directly at my e-mail. We still need to come up with a good meeting place and time.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'The Acuna Family' ; 'AzVJC Website'
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:35 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Done. Big Red Letters! :)
Sorry I didn't see this until this morning!
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 7:20 PM
To: AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: Payson run
Does anyone know a quick way to get a hold of Mike Chatfield? The local radio stations are mentioning our run and people are not able to find the info on the home page. I was hoping he could put a little link on the home page to the run information.
Mike
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57375 From: azcj <azcj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:44am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
Bob,
I can take your donations up for you. I work at Kyrene & Elliot and
my girlfriend lives at Alma School & Queen Creek. I'll be in both
areas today if you want to meet up sometime.
-Scott E.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> Wow this is going to be big!
> I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
for the
> Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
New Mexico
> @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to Payson.
Is there
> anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
University
> and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some goods
for the
> run.
> Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> Robert
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe West" <joe.west@s...>
> To: "Azvjc (E-mail)" <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:15 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Almost half way there gang... if you're making
the run to
> Payson; please sign up.
>
>
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> > With all the airplay that this event is getting over the radio, I
think it
> > would be great if we could really string together 100 Jeeps on
the Payson
> > Rodeo Fire Support run.
> > If you haven't signed up yet... please do so here:
> >
> > http://www.azvjc.org/
> >
> > Click on trips and then choose the one entitled "unspecified -
Saturday
> June
> > 29th" You'll know you have the right one when you see the words
Donation
> > and Payson in the text for the run.
> >
> > I don't think that anyone can overestimate the positive impact
that TV
> and
> > radio coverage of our support for the fire-fighting
infrastructure and the
> > animal shelters can have on both the image of local four wheelers
in
> > general, and on the future of our sport. Once again, we have an
incredible
> > opportunity to make a real impact on the public's perception of
four
> > wheelers... let's take advantage of it.
> >
> > I am again reminded that we can produce an incredible crowd for a
BBQ... I
> > have no doubt that we can produce just as large a crowd (if not
larger)
> for
> > this support run.
> > My goal is to see a string of Jeeps as far as the eye can see on
the run
> to
> > Payson. Even if you only bring a single can of cat food or a
single
> bottle
> > of water... it's your participation which counts and not what you
bring.
> >
> > I promise you... if you miss this, you'll be missing the
opportunity of a
> > lifetime. Chances like this don't come up very often...
please... step
> up.
> > All too often we think that we can't have an impact... well now
you can.
> >
> > PS. If anyone has TV connections or ideas on how to make sure we
get TV
> > coverage, please send me your suggestions.
> >
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum
tubes and
> > weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000
vacuum tubes
> and
> > weigh only 1-1/2 tons." -Popular Mechanics, March, 1949
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Synopsys Applications Consultant
> > 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> > Tempe, Arizona 85282
> >
> > Office: (480) 921-3732
> > Cell: (602) 524-7632
> > Fax: (480) 921-8883
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57376 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 26, 2002 8:45am
Subject: Re: Almost half way there gang... if you're making the run to Payson; please sign up.
I still haven't seen a meeting place or time posted....... Any ideas?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "roy95yj" <roy95yj@a...> wrote:
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Robert McNeeley" <fatbob309@e...> wrote:
> > Wow this is going to be big!
> > I am going to make a run to the store tonight to get a few things
> for the
> > Payson run. I have one problem.... I am going to be on my way to
> New Mexico
> > @ noon on Thursday so there is no way I can make the run to
Payson.
> Is there
> > anyone that lives near Chandler Heights and McQueen or works near
> University
> > and I-10, that is going to be going on the run?
> > Please shoot me an email and I will be happy to deliver some
goods
> for the
> > run.
> > Oh ya, can I get a sticker if I cant make the run?
> > Robert
> >
> Hey Robert,
> I work at 58th and university. America West Airline..
> I can take some things if you would like.
>
> Roy
> 480-693-2346 Work #