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57152 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: RE: OT: Anyone Skydive?
I see you've never flown with *me* before...
<grin>
Joe West
>
> I truly see no sense in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
>
> <Big Grin>
>
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
>
> "Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
>
> > Hey Joe, just to remember to make sure there is someone
> else in the plane
> > that knows how to LAND it before you jump out. MK?
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:48 PM
> > To: 'rubberside_up309'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I'm game for learning to skydive with you... keep me posted
> on what you find
> > out.
> > I just LOVE knocking off all these "before I die I really
> want to..." kinds
> > of issues.
> > Please let me know what you find out.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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57153 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:26pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
That's true, would you be able to change my mind ;o)
Bob
74 CJ-5
Joe W wrote:
> I see you've never flown with *me* before...
> <grin>
> Joe West
>
> >
> > I truly see no sense in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
> >
> > <Big Grin>
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> > "Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Joe, just to remember to make sure there is someone
> > else in the plane
> > > that knows how to LAND it before you jump out. MK?
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:48 PM
> > > To: 'rubberside_up309'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > I'm game for learning to skydive with you... keep me posted
> > on what you find
> > > out.
> > > I just LOVE knocking off all these "before I die I really
> > want to..." kinds
> > > of issues.
> > > Please let me know what you find out.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57154 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:24pm
Subject: driving video
To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
57155 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Where to get Xylene??
Scott,
When I did my tub, with Duraback I got it from Space age paints on Country
Club, in Mesa.
Are you going to spray or roll it on ?
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to get Xylene??
> Ok, I need some xylene as I am going to herc my tub, but I couldnt
> find it at Ace, home depot or Lowes. Where can I get it? Thanks;P
>
> Scott Maiden
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57156 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:57pm
Subject: Re: driving video
Now THAT is funny!!!! :D -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
>
>
> To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
>
>
>
> http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
57157 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Where to get Xylene??
Im gonna spray it on, but I still need to get the gun. I had to order
it online, because harbor frieght doesnt stock it. Thanks all.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Shawn Passmore" <smpassmore@e...> wrote:
> Scott,
> When I did my tub, with Duraback I got it from Space age paints on
Country
> Club, in Mesa.
> Are you going to spray or roll it on ?
>
> Shawn Passmore
> jeepcj5nut
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:48 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Where to get Xylene??
>
>
> > Ok, I need some xylene as I am going to herc my tub, but I couldnt
> > find it at Ace, home depot or Lowes. Where can I get it? Thanks;P
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57158 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:27pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
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57159 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: [FS] utility trail for behind jeep
Price: 450.00
Contact: Don @ jeepnsw@aol.com or 480-839-9096
Trailer for behind your jeep.Box is 5'x3.4'x1.6
ground clearance is 20",wheels are jeep 5x5.5,axle are early spindles with locking hubs no they dont do anything but gives you spares if needed.Prem plates.
450.00 or Obo
Don Munzer
57160 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
That sounds like a great idea...they need all the help they can get right now.
Sharky
57161 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: [FS] Dana 20 transfer case W/ 2.47 gears & black diamond ft spings
Price:
Contact: Don @ jeepnsw@aol.com
Jeep Dana 20 transfer with 2.47 gears helps slows you down off road.
2 sets of warn black diamond front springs 3.5" lift 100.00per set
Don Munzer
57162 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:38pm
Subject: RE: driving video
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 5:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] driving video
To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57163 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:46pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just read the article on azcentral titled "Forestry policy is hampered by politics".
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0624fire-policy24.html
The most alarming statistic in that article was the fact that 40 percent of the Forest Service's annual budget is spent defending itself against environmental groups. That's astounding and absolutely absurd. Just think of all the good that could be done with all that money that is wasted because of frivolous lawsuits filed by the sierra club and other eco-nazis.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57164 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:04pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Are we suggesting that some greenies aren't in favor of controlled burns. They all seem to be, and they are in favor of letting remote fires burn, and most in forest thinning. Note, though, that forest thinning is not logging..
I just taped a local news report with some "greenies" asking what's happened to the millions and millions of dollars that have been allocated to the FS for just those purposes. That is controlled burns and manual thinning around occupied areas of the forest.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57165 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Don't know what y'all are seeing on the news up in Phoenix, but here, in
Tucson, that are saying that they DON'T need food. They have more than they
know what to do with (food that is) at all of the shelters. They do need pet
supplies, and things like gloves, socks, lip balm, toliet items, etc...
Also, whoever said that they don't need cash, is jsut flat wrong. The Red
Cross was on the news, saying, YES they need and will take money. They also
didn't want a lot of people traveling around up around the areas, as it's
congested enough as it is. The Red Cross can furnish the names and locations
of drop off areas for supplies and money.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <gunslinger@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
> That sounds like a great idea...they need all the help they can get right
now.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57166 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
"Skydive Arizona" they are located in the Eloy airport. I do not sky dive but they are a customer of ours. I have been out there several times and just enjoyed watching. They have a school that teaches and they can certify you. Or as a friend of mine did a short class and a tandem jump with the instructor, just to see if you can stomach it. They have held national dive competitions they also. I have seen people from many countries come to use their facilities. And for you single guys, the chicks are a nice sight, there is a weight limit to the sport. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: rubberside_up309
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:38 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
I want to get a jump as a birthday gift for my girlfriend and need to
know who the best organization to use is. I have no problem going to
Tucson if need be. Sorry for the OT post but I figured with all the
members someone would know a good place to jump, or works for a
place. Thanks for any help you can give.
Robert
Pray for rain skydive till then!
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57167 From: chaton602 <chaton602@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:13pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fire
Hey friends, I would still like to go out there to help as much as
possible. I'm sure I could get quite a few donations from my people
at work, and from some friends ad family as well. I don't have a
trailer, but I will be the only one in my jeep so I'll still be able
to haul some stuff. these people cant wait for this stuff, they need
it now. Some friends of mine just lost their home and hearing first
hand, their pain, kills me. Please count me in for this Saturday
morning, our help will be appreciated by many in need.
Anthony Celaya
602-438-0468
57168 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Fred,
Perhaps the millions and millions that were allocated were diverted to the courtrooms. According to Sentator Kyl, up to 40% of the USFS budget has been spent in defending lawsuits from the anti-recreationists.
It is interesting in that the URL that I included in my letter to the Sierra Club this morning seems to be no longer linked on their site. It would appear that they removed the link to that page (although the page itself can still be directly accessed with the URL). If it is still linked, then they have reshuffled their web pages around so it is not nearly so easy to stumble across. By the way, that was the page that said forest fires do not pose a major threat to home and communities .
What do you know&.I honestly believe I made a difference!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Are we suggesting that some greenies aren't in favor of controlled burns. They all seem to be, and they are in favor of letting remote fires burn, and most in forest thinning. Note, though, that forest thinning is not logging..
I just taped a local news report with some "greenies" asking what's happened to the millions and millions of dollars that have been allocated to the FS for just those purposes. That is controlled burns and manual thinning around occupied areas of the forest.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57169 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Yup, the 40% has been mentioned several times already. The more interesting parts of the articles are things like:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For example, forest officials said prescribed burns in the northern part of Hop Canyon, southwest of Show Low, could have slowed the growth of the Rodeo fire.
But political wrangling prevented the burns because residents north of Hop Canyon did not want smoke and ashes coming into their area, said Chaden Palmer, a Forest Service spokesman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Note, in this case it's not the "environmentalist" that prevented the controlled burns, but nearby residents. This is what I've seen, much more often than not.
As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, just a bit ago, the local news just interviewed some "greenies". They brought up a good point, as does the article. The National icon of Smokey Bear (Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires), has probably done more to hurt things than any other single act. People came to associated fires (forest fires) with bad, and all fires were bad. The FS has a century (almost) behind them of putting out everything, and now, we are paying for it.
From the article:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
National policy on fire suppression began to shift after the "Yellowstone" fire in 1988, and with greater vigor after the Los Alamos, N.M., fires two years ago.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An interesting thing about the Yellowstone fire. That park is now the healthiest that it's been in almost remembered history. The park was fire starved, as is much of our National Forest, due to the FS policy of 100% fire suppression.
South of Tucson, last month, was a pretty large fire down in the grasslands, and it actually got into the Army Fort down there a little. Now that it's out, it turns out to be another example of a fire starved area, that the fire was good for. With decades of no fires, the grassland was experiencing an influx of woody shrubs and tress, primaryly mesquite, put also pinion and oak. Fire, naturally, keeps these woody invaders out of the grasslands, and it (the fire) doesn't hurt the grassland.
Anyway, the massive fire up around Show Low is a tragidy, and my heart and money (I've donated what I can, and will continue) go out to the victims. I just hope that we all come away wiser, and without any knee jerk reactions from this. The forest will be fine. Will we ??
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Richards
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just read the article on azcentral titled "Forestry policy is hampered by politics".
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0624fire-policy24.html
The most alarming statistic in that article was the fact that 40 percent of the Forest Service's annual budget is spent defending itself against environmental groups. That's astounding and absolutely absurd. Just think of all the good that could be done with all that money that is wasted because of frivolous lawsuits filed by the sierra club and other eco-nazis.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57170 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: interesting post on slashdot.org
Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that small repair
shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car computer
codes.
These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers to report
problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper wire to make
a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to display codes,
or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces and code
meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer repair shops
can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and House H. R.
2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen. Wellstone says
that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent shops and
car owners. But GM is being helpful."
Here's the url:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto manufacturers are
also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is stuck
in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to cooperate
and start the engine.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
57171 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: [FS] FREE Chevy 350 motor, stock Jeep hubs, and drive shaft
Price: FREE to good home
Contact: Mike 623-910-7972
Hi All,
I am moving and need to get rid of some stuff. If you can use it and you haul it away it is yours for free. Needs to be gone by Thursday....
Chevy 350 motor in pieces, I belive it is a 1987
Stock hubs from a 1981 CJ5
Stock drive shaft from 1981 CJ5 with 304/176/300
Call me at 623-910-7972 or email mike@kwproductions.NET
I am located near 7ave and the 101
Mike Alex
57172 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fire
Yahoo seems to have lost my first posting.
They said on TV that the Forrest Service was looking for some help in
setting up watering sites for animals around the fire area. I wonder
if they could use a 4WD.
They also said that they needed a few items like: blankets, sleeping
bags, pillows, socks, toiletries, ect...
DPS has set up road blocks all around the fire keeping everyone a
long distance from the fire. One is set up 22 miles east of Pason on
260.
57173 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: RE: interesting post on slashdot.org
Tony...for what it is worth, the computer codes, at least for the TJs,
are printed in the service manual.
I do agree that diagnostic codes should be made available to anyone that
wishes to use them.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] interesting post on slashdot.org
Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that small
repair
shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car computer
codes.
These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers to
report
problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper wire
to make
a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to display
codes,
or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces and
code
meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer repair
shops
can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and House
H. R.
2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen. Wellstone
says
that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent shops
and
car owners. But GM is being helpful."
Here's the url:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto manufacturers
are
also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is stuck
in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to cooperate
and start the engine.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57174 From: cj5gpinn <gpinn@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
Having jumped at several of the local DZs I would have to agree that
Skydive Arizona would be the best place to start. Great facilities
and staff! Very professional, but very fun! Be forewarned though,
it is highly addictive and if you think Jeepers are a rough and wiley
bunch just hang with some skydivers for a while! We tend to think a
bit differently...no actually...alot differently :)
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "rubberside_up309" <rubberside_up309@y...> wrote:
> I want to get a jump as a birthday gift for my girlfriend and need
to
> know who the best organization to use is. I have no problem going
to
> Tucson if need be. Sorry for the OT post but I figured with all the
> members someone would know a good place to jump, or works for a
> place. Thanks for any help you can give.
> Robert
> Pray for rain skydive till then!
57175 From: Keith Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:57pm
Subject: TEST
test
57176 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: Re: interesting post on slashdot.org
I was into the shop, with my TJ, last Thursday. The mechanic was
telling me about the Dodge Intrepid (sp?) he was working on. He said
in order to get the PCM fixed they had to send it, the PCM, to
Detroit. Then when the PCM got back they had to take, tow, the
vehicle to the dealer to have the chip reprogramed for that PCM. Then
the mechanic could make sure everything was done correctly. He told
me that this procedure was only of DC vehicles. All the others share
information with the little guys, as such it doesn't take weeks to
get stuff done, more like days. He finished up by saying how
customers get upset with him, when there is nothing he can do about
it.
I hope the bill passes also.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...> wrote:
>
> Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
>
> SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that
small repair
> shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car
computer
> codes.
> These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers
to report
> problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper
wire to make
> a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to
display codes,
> or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces
and code
> meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer
repair shops
> can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and
House H. R.
> 2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen.
Wellstone says
> that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent
shops and
> car owners. But GM is being helpful."
>
> Here's the url:
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?
sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
>
> I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto
manufacturers are
> also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is
stuck
> in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to
cooperate
> and start the engine.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
57152 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:04pm
Subject: RE: OT: Anyone Skydive?
I see you've never flown with *me* before...
<grin>
Joe West
>
> I truly see no sense in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
>
> <Big Grin>
>
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
>
> "Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
>
> > Hey Joe, just to remember to make sure there is someone
> else in the plane
> > that knows how to LAND it before you jump out. MK?
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:48 PM
> > To: 'rubberside_up309'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
> >
> > Robert,
> >
> > I'm game for learning to skydive with you... keep me posted
> on what you find
> > out.
> > I just LOVE knocking off all these "before I die I really
> want to..." kinds
> > of issues.
> > Please let me know what you find out.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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57153 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:26pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
That's true, would you be able to change my mind ;o)
Bob
74 CJ-5
Joe W wrote:
> I see you've never flown with *me* before...
> <grin>
> Joe West
>
> >
> > I truly see no sense in jumping out of a perfectly good airplane!
> >
> > <Big Grin>
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> > "Chatfield, Mike" wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Joe, just to remember to make sure there is someone
> > else in the plane
> > > that knows how to LAND it before you jump out. MK?
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
> > > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:48 PM
> > > To: 'rubberside_up309'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
> > >
> > > Robert,
> > >
> > > I'm game for learning to skydive with you... keep me posted
> > on what you find
> > > out.
> > > I just LOVE knocking off all these "before I die I really
> > want to..." kinds
> > > of issues.
> > > Please let me know what you find out.
> > >
> > > Kind Regards,
> > >
> > > Joe West
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57154 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:24pm
Subject: driving video
To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
57155 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Where to get Xylene??
Scott,
When I did my tub, with Duraback I got it from Space age paints on Country
Club, in Mesa.
Are you going to spray or roll it on ?
Shawn Passmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Where to get Xylene??
> Ok, I need some xylene as I am going to herc my tub, but I couldnt
> find it at Ace, home depot or Lowes. Where can I get it? Thanks;P
>
> Scott Maiden
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57156 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 5:57pm
Subject: Re: driving video
Now THAT is funny!!!! :D -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
>
>
> To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
>
>
>
> http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
>
>
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
57157 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:00pm
Subject: Re: Where to get Xylene??
Im gonna spray it on, but I still need to get the gun. I had to order
it online, because harbor frieght doesnt stock it. Thanks all.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Shawn Passmore" <smpassmore@e...> wrote:
> Scott,
> When I did my tub, with Duraback I got it from Space age paints on
Country
> Club, in Mesa.
> Are you going to spray or roll it on ?
>
> Shawn Passmore
> jeepcj5nut
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bermboy2000" <bermboy@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 3:48 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Where to get Xylene??
>
>
> > Ok, I need some xylene as I am going to herc my tub, but I couldnt
> > find it at Ace, home depot or Lowes. Where can I get it? Thanks;P
> >
> > Scott Maiden
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57158 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:27pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57159 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: [FS] utility trail for behind jeep
Price: 450.00
Contact: Don @ jeepnsw@aol.com or 480-839-9096
Trailer for behind your jeep.Box is 5'x3.4'x1.6
ground clearance is 20",wheels are jeep 5x5.5,axle are early spindles with locking hubs no they dont do anything but gives you spares if needed.Prem plates.
450.00 or Obo
Don Munzer
57160 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
That sounds like a great idea...they need all the help they can get right now.
Sharky
57161 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:35pm
Subject: [FS] Dana 20 transfer case W/ 2.47 gears & black diamond ft spings
Price:
Contact: Don @ jeepnsw@aol.com
Jeep Dana 20 transfer with 2.47 gears helps slows you down off road.
2 sets of warn black diamond front springs 3.5" lift 100.00per set
Don Munzer
57162 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:38pm
Subject: RE: driving video
LOL
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 5:24 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] driving video
To help everyone enjoy what is left of today! ;>)
http://www.motoros-friends.hu/gyozo/fahrschule/
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57163 From: Darren Richards <darren.richards@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 6:46pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just read the article on azcentral titled "Forestry policy is hampered by politics".
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0624fire-policy24.html
The most alarming statistic in that article was the fact that 40 percent of the Forest Service's annual budget is spent defending itself against environmental groups. That's astounding and absolutely absurd. Just think of all the good that could be done with all that money that is wasted because of frivolous lawsuits filed by the sierra club and other eco-nazis.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57164 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:04pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Are we suggesting that some greenies aren't in favor of controlled burns. They all seem to be, and they are in favor of letting remote fires burn, and most in forest thinning. Note, though, that forest thinning is not logging..
I just taped a local news report with some "greenies" asking what's happened to the millions and millions of dollars that have been allocated to the FS for just those purposes. That is controlled burns and manual thinning around occupied areas of the forest.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57165 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Don't know what y'all are seeing on the news up in Phoenix, but here, in
Tucson, that are saying that they DON'T need food. They have more than they
know what to do with (food that is) at all of the shelters. They do need pet
supplies, and things like gloves, socks, lip balm, toliet items, etc...
Also, whoever said that they don't need cash, is jsut flat wrong. The Red
Cross was on the news, saying, YES they need and will take money. They also
didn't want a lot of people traveling around up around the areas, as it's
congested enough as it is. The Red Cross can furnish the names and locations
of drop off areas for supplies and money.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: <sharxjeep@c...>
To: <gunslinger@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:30 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
> That sounds like a great idea...they need all the help they can get right
now.
>
> Sharky
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57166 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:07pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
"Skydive Arizona" they are located in the Eloy airport. I do not sky dive but they are a customer of ours. I have been out there several times and just enjoyed watching. They have a school that teaches and they can certify you. Or as a friend of mine did a short class and a tandem jump with the instructor, just to see if you can stomach it. They have held national dive competitions they also. I have seen people from many countries come to use their facilities. And for you single guys, the chicks are a nice sight, there is a weight limit to the sport. :)
----- Original Message -----
From: rubberside_up309
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:38 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: Anyone Skydive?
I want to get a jump as a birthday gift for my girlfriend and need to
know who the best organization to use is. I have no problem going to
Tucson if need be. Sorry for the OT post but I figured with all the
members someone would know a good place to jump, or works for a
place. Thanks for any help you can give.
Robert
Pray for rain skydive till then!
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57167 From: chaton602 <chaton602@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:13pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fire
Hey friends, I would still like to go out there to help as much as
possible. I'm sure I could get quite a few donations from my people
at work, and from some friends ad family as well. I don't have a
trailer, but I will be the only one in my jeep so I'll still be able
to haul some stuff. these people cant wait for this stuff, they need
it now. Some friends of mine just lost their home and hearing first
hand, their pain, kills me. Please count me in for this Saturday
morning, our help will be appreciated by many in need.
Anthony Celaya
602-438-0468
57168 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:21pm
Subject: RE: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Fred,
Perhaps the millions and millions that were allocated were diverted to the courtrooms. According to Sentator Kyl, up to 40% of the USFS budget has been spent in defending lawsuits from the anti-recreationists.
It is interesting in that the URL that I included in my letter to the Sierra Club this morning seems to be no longer linked on their site. It would appear that they removed the link to that page (although the page itself can still be directly accessed with the URL). If it is still linked, then they have reshuffled their web pages around so it is not nearly so easy to stumble across. By the way, that was the page that said forest fires do not pose a major threat to home and communities .
What do you know&.I honestly believe I made a difference!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:04 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Are we suggesting that some greenies aren't in favor of controlled burns. They all seem to be, and they are in favor of letting remote fires burn, and most in forest thinning. Note, though, that forest thinning is not logging..
I just taped a local news report with some "greenies" asking what's happened to the millions and millions of dollars that have been allocated to the FS for just those purposes. That is controlled burns and manual thinning around occupied areas of the forest.
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: CoyotEddie
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:27 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just voted its up to 751 votes
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
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Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57169 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:25pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Yup, the 40% has been mentioned several times already. The more interesting parts of the articles are things like:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
For example, forest officials said prescribed burns in the northern part of Hop Canyon, southwest of Show Low, could have slowed the growth of the Rodeo fire.
But political wrangling prevented the burns because residents north of Hop Canyon did not want smoke and ashes coming into their area, said Chaden Palmer, a Forest Service spokesman.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Note, in this case it's not the "environmentalist" that prevented the controlled burns, but nearby residents. This is what I've seen, much more often than not.
As I mentioned in a previous e-mail, just a bit ago, the local news just interviewed some "greenies". They brought up a good point, as does the article. The National icon of Smokey Bear (Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires), has probably done more to hurt things than any other single act. People came to associated fires (forest fires) with bad, and all fires were bad. The FS has a century (almost) behind them of putting out everything, and now, we are paying for it.
From the article:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
National policy on fire suppression began to shift after the "Yellowstone" fire in 1988, and with greater vigor after the Los Alamos, N.M., fires two years ago.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
An interesting thing about the Yellowstone fire. That park is now the healthiest that it's been in almost remembered history. The park was fire starved, as is much of our National Forest, due to the FS policy of 100% fire suppression.
South of Tucson, last month, was a pretty large fire down in the grasslands, and it actually got into the Army Fort down there a little. Now that it's out, it turns out to be another example of a fire starved area, that the fire was good for. With decades of no fires, the grassland was experiencing an influx of woody shrubs and tress, primaryly mesquite, put also pinion and oak. Fire, naturally, keeps these woody invaders out of the grasslands, and it (the fire) doesn't hurt the grassland.
Anyway, the massive fire up around Show Low is a tragidy, and my heart and money (I've donated what I can, and will continue) go out to the victims. I just hope that we all come away wiser, and without any knee jerk reactions from this. The forest will be fine. Will we ??
Best,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: Darren Richards
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com ; Chatfield, Mike
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
I just read the article on azcentral titled "Forestry policy is hampered by politics".
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0624fire-policy24.html
The most alarming statistic in that article was the fact that 40 percent of the Forest Service's annual budget is spent defending itself against environmental groups. That's astounding and absolutely absurd. Just think of all the good that could be done with all that money that is wasted because of frivolous lawsuits filed by the sierra club and other eco-nazis.
----- Original Message -----
From: Chatfield, Mike
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] [OT] Poll on AzCentral.com
Right now there is a poll on http://www.azcentral.com:
"Do you favor controlled burns to prevent wildfires?"
It is in the middle of the page. Only 500 or so have voted so far, the results are overwhelmingly in favor of controlled burns and forest thinning, lets keep it that way and add another 500 to 1000 votes.
- Mike
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
57170 From: intertwingled <intertwingled@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:42pm
Subject: interesting post on slashdot.org
Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that small repair
shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car computer
codes.
These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers to report
problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper wire to make
a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to display codes,
or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces and code
meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer repair shops
can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and House H. R.
2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen. Wellstone says
that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent shops and
car owners. But GM is being helpful."
Here's the url:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto manufacturers are
also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is stuck
in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to cooperate
and start the engine.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
57171 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:37pm
Subject: [FS] FREE Chevy 350 motor, stock Jeep hubs, and drive shaft
Price: FREE to good home
Contact: Mike 623-910-7972
Hi All,
I am moving and need to get rid of some stuff. If you can use it and you haul it away it is yours for free. Needs to be gone by Thursday....
Chevy 350 motor in pieces, I belive it is a 1987
Stock hubs from a 1981 CJ5
Stock drive shaft from 1981 CJ5 with 304/176/300
Call me at 623-910-7972 or email mike@kwproductions.NET
I am located near 7ave and the 101
Mike Alex
57172 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:40pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fire
Yahoo seems to have lost my first posting.
They said on TV that the Forrest Service was looking for some help in
setting up watering sites for animals around the fire area. I wonder
if they could use a 4WD.
They also said that they needed a few items like: blankets, sleeping
bags, pillows, socks, toiletries, ect...
DPS has set up road blocks all around the fire keeping everyone a
long distance from the fire. One is set up 22 miles east of Pason on
260.
57173 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: RE: interesting post on slashdot.org
Tony...for what it is worth, the computer codes, at least for the TJs,
are printed in the service manual.
I do agree that diagnostic codes should be made available to anyone that
wishes to use them.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] interesting post on slashdot.org
Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that small
repair
shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car computer
codes.
These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers to
report
problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper wire
to make
a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to display
codes,
or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces and
code
meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer repair
shops
can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and House
H. R.
2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen. Wellstone
says
that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent shops
and
car owners. But GM is being helpful."
Here's the url:
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto manufacturers
are
also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is stuck
in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to cooperate
and start the engine.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57174 From: cj5gpinn <gpinn@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:47pm
Subject: Re: OT: Anyone Skydive?
Having jumped at several of the local DZs I would have to agree that
Skydive Arizona would be the best place to start. Great facilities
and staff! Very professional, but very fun! Be forewarned though,
it is highly addictive and if you think Jeepers are a rough and wiley
bunch just hang with some skydivers for a while! We tend to think a
bit differently...no actually...alot differently :)
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "rubberside_up309" <rubberside_up309@y...> wrote:
> I want to get a jump as a birthday gift for my girlfriend and need
to
> know who the best organization to use is. I have no problem going
to
> Tucson if need be. Sorry for the OT post but I figured with all the
> members someone would know a good place to jump, or works for a
> place. Thanks for any help you can give.
> Robert
> Pray for rain skydive till then!
57175 From: Keith Haw <khaw@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 7:57pm
Subject: TEST
test
57176 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: Re: interesting post on slashdot.org
I was into the shop, with my TJ, last Thursday. The mechanic was
telling me about the Dodge Intrepid (sp?) he was working on. He said
in order to get the PCM fixed they had to send it, the PCM, to
Detroit. Then when the PCM got back they had to take, tow, the
vehicle to the dealer to have the chip reprogramed for that PCM. Then
the mechanic could make sure everything was done correctly. He told
me that this procedure was only of DC vehicles. All the others share
information with the little guys, as such it doesn't take weeks to
get stuff done, more like days. He finished up by saying how
customers get upset with him, when there is nothing he can do about
it.
I hope the bill passes also.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "intertwingled" <intertwingled@q...> wrote:
>
> Interesting post on slashdot. Here's part of the post text:
>
> SEWilco writes: "A Minneapolis Star Tribune story points out that
small repair
> shops say they lose money because they don't have access to car
computer
> codes.
> These 'codes' are the diagnostic messages used by onboard computers
to report
> problems and perform tests. Older designs only required a jumper
wire to make
> a test light flash code patterns, certain dashboard actions to
display codes,
> or a cheap display terminal from a parts store. Now the interfaces
and code
> meanings are more complex and undocumented, so only auto dealer
repair shops
> can easily find causes of some problems. U.S. Senate S.2617 and
House H. R.
> 2735 would force auto manufacturers to share the codes. Sen.
Wellstone says
> that manufacturers are acting like a cartel, blocking independent
shops and
> car owners. But GM is being helpful."
>
> Here's the url:
>
> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?
sid=02/06/25/0156226&mode=thread&tid=126
>
> I certainly hope this/these bills pass because the auto
manufacturers are
> also shutting out the backyard mechanic or the jeep owner who is
stuck
> in the middle of nowhere because the computer is refusing to
cooperate
> and start the engine.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril