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57102 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: RE: Teraflex or RE
RE comes with all 8 control arms. Uppers are adjustable
Drop TC
Adj front tack bar
Springs that sit more like 5" after settling
Crappy(in most people's opinion) DT shocks that are too short in the
rear. You can pick any brand though for a price increase.
Break lines
Bump stops
Rear track bar relocation bracket
****ty disconnects
Tera's difference is that it only has the 4 lower adj control arms, no
shocks, has steering skid, has drop pitman arm, front and rear track bar
brackets. Better disconnects
IMO having the RE7000 kit, save your money for another year and get a
long arm kit.
The front likes to tuck under rocks rather than pick up over them, It
sucks.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Teraflex or RE
I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with shocks,
so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -Rob
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57103 From: chaton602 <chaton602@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
you can count me in, but all I have is a CB, sorry. I'm still down to
go though.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> KC7ZDW - but all I have is a dualband handheld.
>
> -Roger
>
> Michael Connor wrote:
>
> > I've got a Jeep and a ham license; lemme know
> > where to show up and when. I know Stu is liscensed
> > as well; anyone else?
> >
> > Uncle Mike
> > NQ7K
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced
by az
> > fires????
> >
> > > Gray Matter,
> > >
> > > You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
> > > (communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM
license may be
> > able
> > > to assist in that area.
> > >
> > > Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster
Volunteers:
> > > Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u...
> > >
> > > Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
> > > Community Support Office
> > > John Paulsen, Manager
> > > Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
> > > Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
> > > Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
> > >
> > > Gunslinger
> > >
> > > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> > fires????
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out
said
> > > > they could use the help. So the need is there. Please
provide me
> > > > with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am
sure they
> > > > could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and
gather
> > > > > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other
than the
> > > > red
> > > > > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire
will get
> > > > > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we
can load
> > > > up.
> > > > > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > > attorney
> > > > >
> > > > > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure
and
> > > > > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to
learn
> > > > not
> > > > > to try and write after a nap!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup
we could
> > > > > load up.
> > > > > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced
by az
> > > > > fires????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all:
> > > > > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in
trying to
> > > > help
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If
we got
> > > > > together
> > > > > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming
saturday or
> > > > > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go
etc. Hell,
> > > > we
> > > > > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We,
as a
> > > > > group,
> > > > > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> > > > the 'land
> > > > > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this
issue.
> > > > > Let
> > > > > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we
could do
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find
out what
> > > > we
> > > > > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be
greatly
> > > > > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody
that
> > > > > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call
me on my
> > > > > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are
part of a
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > already helping. I want to do something other than
watch this
> > > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on
these types
> > > > of
> > > > > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no
different then
> > > > > me...
> > > > > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger
environmental
> > > > > attorney.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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57104 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:46pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
57105 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:45pm
Subject: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill,
I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
-Roger
(For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
who lives in Heber.)
57106 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
57107 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob....I think it is an excellent idea!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
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57108 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at the
"Get Callsign" prompt.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
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57109 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
57110 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
This sounds great... I would just like it agreed upon from the club.
I work with lots of wealthy developers, so they'll have no excuse not to
help.
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
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57111 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Unless something comes up, I'm up for a relief run this coming Saturday.
I think it is great to show our support for our neighbors.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
To: g_rob_williams
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
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57112 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill's AZVJC member profile also lists his residence as in Heber. His son
also lives in Heber, I believe.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
>
> If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at the
> "Get Callsign" prompt.
>
> TC!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
>
> I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
>
> Mike Baney
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> > your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> > me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> > who lives in Heber.)
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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57113 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
If we get enough stuff, I'll borrow a trailer from next door. It's not
big, but it will hold a lot more stuff than the TJ or trailblazer
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
To: g_rob_williams
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest need
and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be the closest
shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I have the
impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook and Eagar. Eagar
doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is a straight shot east from
Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need too but it just seems like they'd
be getting the most supplies since they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that there has
been a published need for. In addition to the items you've listed
below, I've also heard on the news that there is need for sleeping items
such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a bunch
> of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you feel
> will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are going
> to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do an
> organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff at the
> relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to the
> members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts making
> the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure they
> could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign up.
> If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can give
> the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste and
> other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
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57114 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Message no longer available.......
All the email I receive from Roger Tomas comes up "Message no longer available" Is it just me?
Robert
57115 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: FW: What are you people thinking?
This letter sent by me this AM.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:jetowle@c...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:01 PM
> To: Rep.Islee@m...; Rep.Boehlert@m...;
> environmental911@s...
> Subject: What are you people thinking?
>
>
> What are you people thinking? Do you really believe what you are
> printing, signing and writing or are you just doing this stuff to
> make money from your donations?
>
> Here is an example of what I am talking about:
>
> According to a press release entitled: "Sierra Club Currents --
> Bipartisan Bill Urges Bush Administration to Protect our Wild Forests"
>
> At the address:
> http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0206&L=sierraclub
> -action&T=0&H=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=214
>
> >> "Logging and road-building destroys wildlife
> >> habitats and imperils plants and animal species."
>
> There is a fire burning here in Arizona. If there would have been
> more roads & logging, there would have been easier access to
> fires and more fire breaks.
>
> According these plans there would have been no way to combat this
> fire and all of the wildlife and forest would have burned up.
> What are you thinking? Is this how you people save habitats of
> plants and animals, by letting it burn up?
>
> >> Congress has received a clear message: don't jeopardize
> >> the ability of future generations to enjoy America's
> >> last wild areas!
>
> There is no future in the forest with what you propose. One fire
> will take it all and everything around it. Thanks to all of you
> and your efforts my kids will never get to see the forest that is
> on fire in Arizona again. Thank you all so much.
>
> You need to get your information from reliable sources before you
> start paying people or taking payments (in the way of
> contributions) to spread information all over this nation. I
> don't expect any replies because there is no excuse for your
> actions. You people are so ignorant about what is going on and
> what needs to happen it is a miracle you can dress your
> collective selves in the morning.
>
> If you can't tell, I am thoroughly pissed off. I would hope that
> you all change your positions based on the Arizona fire(s) and
> the facts surrounding them, but judging from your position in the
> past I don't expect that you have the brains or the intuitiveness
> to do this.
>
> --James Towle
57116 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Ok, I am prob wrong, just thought I remember him moving to Payson...or
maybe moved FROM Payson to Heber....
Mike Baney
--- Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill's AZVJC member profile also lists his residence as in Heber. His
> son
> also lives in Heber, I believe.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> > Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
> >
> > If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at
> the
> > "Get Callsign" prompt.
> >
> > TC!
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
> >
> > I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> > > your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> > > me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> > > who lives in Heber.)
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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57117 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I also share these sentiments to Bill and any other member(s) of the
club that are up north.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
57118 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob,
Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a trip?
Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
>
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57119 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:22pm
Subject: RE: FW: What are you people thinking?
Thanks Jim! One thing is for sure, we need to work harder at getting
more chlorine into the shallow end of the Sierra Club gene pool! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:15 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: What are you people thinking?
This letter sent by me this AM.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:jetowle@c...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:01 PM
> To: Rep.Islee@m...; Rep.Boehlert@m...;
> environmental911@s...
> Subject: What are you people thinking?
>
>
> What are you people thinking? Do you really believe what you are
> printing, signing and writing or are you just doing this stuff to
> make money from your donations?
>
> Here is an example of what I am talking about:
>
> According to a press release entitled: "Sierra Club Currents --
> Bipartisan Bill Urges Bush Administration to Protect our Wild Forests"
>
> At the address:
> http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0206&L=sierraclub
> -action&T=0&H=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=214
>
> >> "Logging and road-building destroys wildlife
> >> habitats and imperils plants and animal species."
>
> There is a fire burning here in Arizona. If there would have been
> more roads & logging, there would have been easier access to
> fires and more fire breaks.
>
> According these plans there would have been no way to combat this
> fire and all of the wildlife and forest would have burned up.
> What are you thinking? Is this how you people save habitats of
> plants and animals, by letting it burn up?
>
> >> Congress has received a clear message: don't jeopardize
> >> the ability of future generations to enjoy America's
> >> last wild areas!
>
> There is no future in the forest with what you propose. One fire
> will take it all and everything around it. Thanks to all of you
> and your efforts my kids will never get to see the forest that is
> on fire in Arizona again. Thank you all so much.
>
> You need to get your information from reliable sources before you
> start paying people or taking payments (in the way of
> contributions) to spread information all over this nation. I
> don't expect any replies because there is no excuse for your
> actions. You people are so ignorant about what is going on and
> what needs to happen it is a miracle you can dress your
> collective selves in the morning.
>
> If you can't tell, I am thoroughly pissed off. I would hope that
> you all change your positions based on the Arizona fire(s) and
> the facts surrounding them, but judging from your position in the
> past I don't expect that you have the brains or the intuitiveness
> to do this.
>
> --James Towle
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57120 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I would love to help, but definatly can't this weekend. Saturday is
my son's babtisim in the AM, and my 10 year high school
reunion....plus my mother in law will be in town....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Unless something comes up, I'm up for a relief run this coming
Saturday.
> I think it is great to show our support for our neighbors.
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
> To: g_rob_williams
> Cc: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> fires????
>
> I'm up for this.
>
> I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
> need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
> the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
> have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
> and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
> a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
> too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
> they're closest to Phoenix.
>
> As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
> there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
> you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
> need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
> and blankets.
>
> There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
>
> -Roger
>
> g_rob_williams wrote:
>
> > How is this idea...
> > I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> > bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> > you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what
you
> > are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> > Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop
off
> > the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> > give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> > the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on
the
> > news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> > LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> > and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to
donate
> > but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close
to
> > them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
> >
> > On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip
balm
> > (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> > and other personal hygiene items.
> >
> > what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
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57121 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: Rick Beers
It's almost time for new tires on my rig. I've heard lots of good things about Rick...but never kept his location nor number. Can somebody provide me with Rick's phone?
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, d44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'73 Wagoneer, 360, TH400, QT, D30/44, 32x11.50s,
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
57122 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Count me in,,, but I'll have to take the Trailblazer. I don't have a
tow hitch on the TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:16 PM
To: 'g_rob_williams'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
Rob,
Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a
trip? Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
>
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a bunch
> of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you feel
> will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are going
> to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do an
> organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff at the
> relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to the
> members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts making
> the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure they
> could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign up.
> If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can give
> the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste and
> other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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57123 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:00pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Saturday is fine for me. I will hit up my co-workers (co-internet
surfers???) for donations. Even three or four vehicles can carry a
lot of supplies! If/when this run gets posted on the website, is it
possible to add a list of items that are needed? Which shelters?
Payson? I doubt the SC greenies are planning such a run...
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> Count me in,,, but I'll have to take the Trailblazer. I don't have
a
> tow hitch on the TJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: 'g_rob_williams'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> fires????
>
>
> Rob,
>
> Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a
> trip? Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> > fires????
> >
> >
> > How is this idea...
> > I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch
>
> > of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you
feel
> > will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are
going
> > to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do
an
> > organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff
at the
>
> > relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to
the
> > members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts
making
> > the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure
they
>
> > could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> > water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign
up.
> > If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can
give
> > the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> > stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
> >
> > On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip
balm
> > (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and
> > other personal hygiene items.
> >
> > what do you think?? -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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57124 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, June 29, 2002
Hello All,
Rob Williams is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, June 29, 2002.
When: Saturday June 29th
Where: Relief Aid - Payson
Rating: None
Length: 4 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going to get as many donations of food, water, personal items, items for the pet shelters as we can and take them up to the relief area in Payson
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
57125 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Press Releae from ARRL
FYI.
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
********
SATERN Takes the Lead as Arizona Amateurs Support Wildfire Response
NEWINGTON, CT, Jun 24, 2002--As a massive wildfire continues to threaten
several communities in Arizona, Amateur Radio operators are pitching in to
assist responding agencies. The Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network
(SATERN) has taken on the job of coordinating communications during the
emergency. ARRL Arizona Section Manager Cliff Hauser, KD6XH, says hams are
supporting Red Cross facilities in Flagstaff, Holbrook and Phoenix.
Effective immediately, the FCC has declared a communications emergency and
ordered amateurs not involved in handling emergency traffic to stay clear of
7265 kHz during daylight hours and 3990 kHz after dark, plus or minus 3 kHz.
The FCC said its order sequestering 7265 and 3990 kHz for emergency traffic
could remain in effect for as long as two weeks. ARRL Maxim Memorial Station
W1AW, which normally transmits its bulletins on 3990, has suspended
operation on that frequency until the ban is lifted. Over the weekend, the
so-called Rodeo and Chediski fires joined to form a single wildfire that's
now consumed more than 320,000 acres, some on Native American tribal lands
and the rest on national forestland. The two fires have destroyed more than
225 structures. More than 2000 firefighters--assisted by aircraft--are
battling the flames. Hauser said the Arizona State Emergency Net on 7265 and
3990 is being used extensively for emergency traffic, along with the Cactus
Intertie System of VHF/UHF repeaters. Operators from the Arizona Amateur
Radio Club's W7IO are on the air at the State Emergency Operations Center in
Phoenix, the capital. SATERN has set up stations at Mesa, Winslow and Eager.
SATERN Western Territory Coordinator Warren Andreasen, K7CWA, says SATERN is
using the call sign W7TSA at its Southwest Division headquarters in Phoenix.
The organization has requested assistance from the ARRL, the Amateur Radio
Emergency Service and other Amateur Radio volunteer resources to help in the
emergency. "Stations coming in will need to be self contained," Andreasen
said. The Salvation Army is sheltering evacuees at Salvation Army sites in
Mesa and Glendale as well as in a sports dome and at high school in Edgar.
The number of fire refugees has been estimated to be as high as 30,000.
Additionally, The Salvation Army is has been coordinating in-kind goods for
the state's emergency wildfire response and is additionally providing mobile
feeding support for the shelters and for fire responders. Nearly all of the
8000 residents of the town of Show Low were evacuated over the weekend.
Hauser reports that Dave Eply, N9CZV--who lives in Show Low--has been
handling health-and-welfare traffic for those town residents who, despite
the warnings, have chosen not to leave. Eply, who works for the local
utility company, is staying behind to deal with the emergency. Other
communities evacuated were Pinedale, Clay Springs, Linden, Heber, Overgaard,
Pinetop, Lakeside, Hon Dah, Forest Lake and Wagon Wheel. SATERN's Web-based
health and welfare information system is active. Those seeking information
on Arizona residents possibly affected by the fire emergency may visit the
SATERN Web site and click on "Health and Welfare Information Request" to
start the process.
57126 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob,
PLEASE call the Red Cross and/or Salvation Army BEFORE you load your
vehicles with thing s you think will be needed. The RC and SA will tell you
what is really needed.
In NYC there are still warehouses full of supplies that the well-meaning
sent or brought to the WTC area after 11 September. Most of what was
donated was either not needed or incorrect in some manner. As an example,
guys in the field want water in 1.5 Liter bottles; in fact, most backpacks
for wildland fire fighters have 2 or 4 sleeves built in to hold that size
bottle. Gallon jugs are useless. Last time I checked NYC had several
thousand pairs of "dog booties" sent because one media report mentioned that
dogs used them. Of course the media report was wrong; except for avalanche
dogs or dogs with injuries, booties are not used by SAR K9s.
So, again, please...make your effort count, call the RC and SA and get them
what is really needed.
Gunslinger (who watched the mice eat much of the food donated to Honduras
after Hurricane Mitch)
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June, 2002 14:46
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>
57102 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:20pm
Subject: RE: Teraflex or RE
RE comes with all 8 control arms. Uppers are adjustable
Drop TC
Adj front tack bar
Springs that sit more like 5" after settling
Crappy(in most people's opinion) DT shocks that are too short in the
rear. You can pick any brand though for a price increase.
Break lines
Bump stops
Rear track bar relocation bracket
****ty disconnects
Tera's difference is that it only has the 4 lower adj control arms, no
shocks, has steering skid, has drop pitman arm, front and rear track bar
brackets. Better disconnects
IMO having the RE7000 kit, save your money for another year and get a
long arm kit.
The front likes to tuck under rocks rather than pick up over them, It
sucks.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Teraflex or RE
I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with shocks,
so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -Rob
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57103 From: chaton602 <chaton602@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:30pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
you can count me in, but all I have is a CB, sorry. I'm still down to
go though.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> KC7ZDW - but all I have is a dualband handheld.
>
> -Roger
>
> Michael Connor wrote:
>
> > I've got a Jeep and a ham license; lemme know
> > where to show up and when. I know Stu is liscensed
> > as well; anyone else?
> >
> > Uncle Mike
> > NQ7K
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced
by az
> > fires????
> >
> > > Gray Matter,
> > >
> > > You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
> > > (communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM
license may be
> > able
> > > to assist in that area.
> > >
> > > Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster
Volunteers:
> > > Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u...
> > >
> > > Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
> > > Community Support Office
> > > John Paulsen, Manager
> > > Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
> > > Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
> > > Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
> > >
> > > Gunslinger
> > >
> > > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> > fires????
> > >
> > >
> > > > I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out
said
> > > > they could use the help. So the need is there. Please
provide me
> > > > with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am
sure they
> > > > could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and
gather
> > > > > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other
than the
> > > > red
> > > > > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire
will get
> > > > > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we
can load
> > > > up.
> > > > > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > > attorney
> > > > >
> > > > > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure
and
> > > > > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to
learn
> > > > not
> > > > > to try and write after a nap!!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > > > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup
we could
> > > > > load up.
> > > > > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced
by az
> > > > > fires????
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hello all:
> > > > > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in
trying to
> > > > help
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If
we got
> > > > > together
> > > > > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming
saturday or
> > > > > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go
etc. Hell,
> > > > we
> > > > > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We,
as a
> > > > > group,
> > > > > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> > > > the 'land
> > > > > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this
issue.
> > > > > Let
> > > > > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we
could do
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find
out what
> > > > we
> > > > > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be
greatly
> > > > > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody
that
> > > > > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call
me on my
> > > > > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are
part of a
> > > > > group
> > > > > > > already helping. I want to do something other than
watch this
> > > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on
these types
> > > > of
> > > > > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no
different then
> > > > > me...
> > > > > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger
environmental
> > > > > attorney.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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> > > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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57104 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:46pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
57105 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:45pm
Subject: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill,
I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
-Roger
(For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
who lives in Heber.)
57106 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
57107 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:50pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob....I think it is an excellent idea!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
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57108 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:54pm
Subject: RE: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at the
"Get Callsign" prompt.
TC!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
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57109 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:59pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
57110 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
This sounds great... I would just like it agreed upon from the club.
I work with lots of wealthy developers, so they'll have no excuse not to
help.
-----Original Message-----
From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
How is this idea...
I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
(i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and other personal hygiene items.
what do you think?? -Rob
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57111 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:02pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Unless something comes up, I'm up for a relief run this coming Saturday.
I think it is great to show our support for our neighbors.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
To: g_rob_williams
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
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57112 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:03pm
Subject: Re: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Bill's AZVJC member profile also lists his residence as in Heber. His son
also lives in Heber, I believe.
-Roger
Stu Olson wrote:
> Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
>
> If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at the
> "Get Callsign" prompt.
>
> TC!
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
>
> I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
>
> Mike Baney
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > Bill,
> >
> > I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> > your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> > me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> > who lives in Heber.)
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57113 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:05pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
If we get enough stuff, I'll borrow a trailer from next door. It's not
big, but it will hold a lot more stuff than the TJ or trailblazer
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
To: g_rob_williams
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
I'm up for this.
I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest need
and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be the closest
shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I have the
impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook and Eagar. Eagar
doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is a straight shot east from
Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need too but it just seems like they'd
be getting the most supplies since they're closest to Phoenix.
As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that there has
been a published need for. In addition to the items you've listed
below, I've also heard on the news that there is need for sleeping items
such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows and blankets.
There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a bunch
> of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you feel
> will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are going
> to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do an
> organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff at the
> relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to the
> members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts making
> the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure they
> could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign up.
> If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can give
> the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste and
> other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
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57114 From: Robert McNeeley <fatbob309@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:11pm
Subject: Message no longer available.......
All the email I receive from Roger Tomas comes up "Message no longer available" Is it just me?
Robert
57115 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:14pm
Subject: FW: What are you people thinking?
This letter sent by me this AM.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:jetowle@c...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:01 PM
> To: Rep.Islee@m...; Rep.Boehlert@m...;
> environmental911@s...
> Subject: What are you people thinking?
>
>
> What are you people thinking? Do you really believe what you are
> printing, signing and writing or are you just doing this stuff to
> make money from your donations?
>
> Here is an example of what I am talking about:
>
> According to a press release entitled: "Sierra Club Currents --
> Bipartisan Bill Urges Bush Administration to Protect our Wild Forests"
>
> At the address:
> http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0206&L=sierraclub
> -action&T=0&H=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=214
>
> >> "Logging and road-building destroys wildlife
> >> habitats and imperils plants and animal species."
>
> There is a fire burning here in Arizona. If there would have been
> more roads & logging, there would have been easier access to
> fires and more fire breaks.
>
> According these plans there would have been no way to combat this
> fire and all of the wildlife and forest would have burned up.
> What are you thinking? Is this how you people save habitats of
> plants and animals, by letting it burn up?
>
> >> Congress has received a clear message: don't jeopardize
> >> the ability of future generations to enjoy America's
> >> last wild areas!
>
> There is no future in the forest with what you propose. One fire
> will take it all and everything around it. Thanks to all of you
> and your efforts my kids will never get to see the forest that is
> on fire in Arizona again. Thank you all so much.
>
> You need to get your information from reliable sources before you
> start paying people or taking payments (in the way of
> contributions) to spread information all over this nation. I
> don't expect any replies because there is no excuse for your
> actions. You people are so ignorant about what is going on and
> what needs to happen it is a miracle you can dress your
> collective selves in the morning.
>
> If you can't tell, I am thoroughly pissed off. I would hope that
> you all change your positions based on the Arizona fire(s) and
> the facts surrounding them, but judging from your position in the
> past I don't expect that you have the brains or the intuitiveness
> to do this.
>
> --James Towle
57116 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
Ok, I am prob wrong, just thought I remember him moving to Payson...or
maybe moved FROM Payson to Heber....
Mike Baney
--- Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill's AZVJC member profile also lists his residence as in Heber. His
> son
> also lives in Heber, I believe.
>
> -Roger
>
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> > Bill's mailing address is Heber, AZ. (according to the FCC anyway)
> >
> > If you want to see his picture, go to www.qrz.com and enter K7ANT at
> the
> > "Get Callsign" prompt.
> >
> > TC!
> >
> > Stu Olson
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:50 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Message to Bill Witt...
> >
> > I thouhgt he was\is in Payson, off the Rim....
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > Bill,
> > >
> > > I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> > > your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> > > me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> > > who lives in Heber.)
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
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57117 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:15pm
Subject: Re: Message to Bill Witt...
I also share these sentiments to Bill and any other member(s) of the
club that are up north.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Roger Tomas" <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> Bill,
>
> I don't know if or when you might see this but I hope you and
> your family are safe and that your home has been spared. Let
> me know if there is anything I can do to help you out.
>
> -Roger
>
> (For those of you who don't know Bill, he is an AZVJC member
> who lives in Heber.)
57118 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob,
Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a trip?
Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
>
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57119 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:22pm
Subject: RE: FW: What are you people thinking?
Thanks Jim! One thing is for sure, we need to work harder at getting
more chlorine into the shallow end of the Sierra Club gene pool! LOL
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:15 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: What are you people thinking?
This letter sent by me this AM.
--James
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:jetowle@c...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:01 PM
> To: Rep.Islee@m...; Rep.Boehlert@m...;
> environmental911@s...
> Subject: What are you people thinking?
>
>
> What are you people thinking? Do you really believe what you are
> printing, signing and writing or are you just doing this stuff to
> make money from your donations?
>
> Here is an example of what I am talking about:
>
> According to a press release entitled: "Sierra Club Currents --
> Bipartisan Bill Urges Bush Administration to Protect our Wild Forests"
>
> At the address:
> http://lists.sierraclub.org/SCRIPTS/WA.EXE?A2=ind0206&L=sierraclub
> -action&T=0&H=1&O=D&F=&S=&P=214
>
> >> "Logging and road-building destroys wildlife
> >> habitats and imperils plants and animal species."
>
> There is a fire burning here in Arizona. If there would have been
> more roads & logging, there would have been easier access to
> fires and more fire breaks.
>
> According these plans there would have been no way to combat this
> fire and all of the wildlife and forest would have burned up.
> What are you thinking? Is this how you people save habitats of
> plants and animals, by letting it burn up?
>
> >> Congress has received a clear message: don't jeopardize
> >> the ability of future generations to enjoy America's
> >> last wild areas!
>
> There is no future in the forest with what you propose. One fire
> will take it all and everything around it. Thanks to all of you
> and your efforts my kids will never get to see the forest that is
> on fire in Arizona again. Thank you all so much.
>
> You need to get your information from reliable sources before you
> start paying people or taking payments (in the way of
> contributions) to spread information all over this nation. I
> don't expect any replies because there is no excuse for your
> actions. You people are so ignorant about what is going on and
> what needs to happen it is a miracle you can dress your
> collective selves in the morning.
>
> If you can't tell, I am thoroughly pissed off. I would hope that
> you all change your positions based on the Arizona fire(s) and
> the facts surrounding them, but judging from your position in the
> past I don't expect that you have the brains or the intuitiveness
> to do this.
>
> --James Towle
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57120 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:33pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I would love to help, but definatly can't this weekend. Saturday is
my son's babtisim in the AM, and my 10 year high school
reunion....plus my mother in law will be in town....
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Unless something comes up, I'm up for a relief run this coming
Saturday.
> I think it is great to show our support for our neighbors.
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:00 PM
> To: g_rob_williams
> Cc: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> fires????
>
> I'm up for this.
>
> I think it would be nice to find out which shelter has the biggest
> need and to take our donations there. I know Payson would be
> the closest shelter (besides those here in the Phoenix area) but I
> have the impression that most evacuees have gone to Holbrook
> and Eagar. Eagar doesn't sound too accessible but Holbrook is
> a straight shot east from Flagstaff. Payson may have a big need
> too but it just seems like they'd be getting the most supplies since
> they're closest to Phoenix.
>
> As for the donations themselves, I'd stick to those items that
> there has been a published need for. In addition to the items
> you've listed below, I've also heard on the news that there is
> need for sleeping items such as sleeping bags, cots, pillows
> and blankets.
>
> There's also need for supplies for rescued pets/animals.
>
> -Roger
>
> g_rob_williams wrote:
>
> > How is this idea...
> > I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> > bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> > you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what
you
> > are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> > Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop
off
> > the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> > give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> > the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on
the
> > news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> > LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> > and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to
donate
> > but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close
to
> > them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
> >
> > On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip
balm
> > (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> > and other personal hygiene items.
> >
> > what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
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57121 From: george Andrews <gandre01@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: Rick Beers
It's almost time for new tires on my rig. I've heard lots of good things about Rick...but never kept his location nor number. Can somebody provide me with Rick's phone?
George Andrews
'83 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, d44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs
'73 Wagoneer, 360, TH400, QT, D30/44, 32x11.50s,
'00 TJ
Avondale Arizona
57122 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:40pm
Subject: RE: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Count me in,,, but I'll have to take the Trailblazer. I don't have a
tow hitch on the TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:16 PM
To: 'g_rob_williams'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
Rob,
Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a
trip? Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
>
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a bunch
> of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you feel
> will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are going
> to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do an
> organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff at the
> relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to the
> members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts making
> the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure they
> could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign up.
> If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can give
> the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste and
> other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>
>
>
>
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> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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57123 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:00pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Saturday is fine for me. I will hit up my co-workers (co-internet
surfers???) for donations. Even three or four vehicles can carry a
lot of supplies! If/when this run gets posted on the website, is it
possible to add a list of items that are needed? Which shelters?
Payson? I doubt the SC greenies are planning such a run...
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> Count me in,,, but I'll have to take the Trailblazer. I don't have
a
> tow hitch on the TJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 1:16 PM
> To: 'g_rob_williams'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> fires????
>
>
> Rob,
>
> Why don't you post the details of the run to the azvjc.org site as a
> trip? Let's see how many people can sign up and bring stuff.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: g_rob_williams [mailto:g_rob_williams@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 12:46 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by
az
> > fires????
> >
> >
> > How is this idea...
> > I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
bunch
>
> > of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever you
feel
> > will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you are
going
> > to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want. Then we do
an
> > organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off the stuff
at the
>
> > relief site. Other club members that can't go can give stuff to
the
> > members that are going if they so desire. I saw the boyscouts
making
> > the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the news, so I am sure
they
>
> > could use lots of bread, canned goods, and LOTS of gallon jugs of
> > water!! We can set up a run on the web site and have people sign
up.
> > If anyone has something they want to donate but is not going can
give
> > the stuff to a member that lives close to them. Here is a list of
> > stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
> >
> > On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip
balm
> > (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
and
> > other personal hygiene items.
> >
> > what do you think?? -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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57124 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 2:01pm
Subject: [TR] Unspecified - Saturday, June 29, 2002
Hello All,
Rob Williams is leading an Unspecified trail run on Saturday, June 29, 2002.
When: Saturday June 29th
Where: Relief Aid - Payson
Rating: None
Length: 4 hours
CB Channel: 4
We are going to get as many donations of food, water, personal items, items for the pet shelters as we can and take them up to the relief area in Payson
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
57125 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:28pm
Subject: Press Releae from ARRL
FYI.
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
********
SATERN Takes the Lead as Arizona Amateurs Support Wildfire Response
NEWINGTON, CT, Jun 24, 2002--As a massive wildfire continues to threaten
several communities in Arizona, Amateur Radio operators are pitching in to
assist responding agencies. The Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network
(SATERN) has taken on the job of coordinating communications during the
emergency. ARRL Arizona Section Manager Cliff Hauser, KD6XH, says hams are
supporting Red Cross facilities in Flagstaff, Holbrook and Phoenix.
Effective immediately, the FCC has declared a communications emergency and
ordered amateurs not involved in handling emergency traffic to stay clear of
7265 kHz during daylight hours and 3990 kHz after dark, plus or minus 3 kHz.
The FCC said its order sequestering 7265 and 3990 kHz for emergency traffic
could remain in effect for as long as two weeks. ARRL Maxim Memorial Station
W1AW, which normally transmits its bulletins on 3990, has suspended
operation on that frequency until the ban is lifted. Over the weekend, the
so-called Rodeo and Chediski fires joined to form a single wildfire that's
now consumed more than 320,000 acres, some on Native American tribal lands
and the rest on national forestland. The two fires have destroyed more than
225 structures. More than 2000 firefighters--assisted by aircraft--are
battling the flames. Hauser said the Arizona State Emergency Net on 7265 and
3990 is being used extensively for emergency traffic, along with the Cactus
Intertie System of VHF/UHF repeaters. Operators from the Arizona Amateur
Radio Club's W7IO are on the air at the State Emergency Operations Center in
Phoenix, the capital. SATERN has set up stations at Mesa, Winslow and Eager.
SATERN Western Territory Coordinator Warren Andreasen, K7CWA, says SATERN is
using the call sign W7TSA at its Southwest Division headquarters in Phoenix.
The organization has requested assistance from the ARRL, the Amateur Radio
Emergency Service and other Amateur Radio volunteer resources to help in the
emergency. "Stations coming in will need to be self contained," Andreasen
said. The Salvation Army is sheltering evacuees at Salvation Army sites in
Mesa and Glendale as well as in a sports dome and at high school in Edgar.
The number of fire refugees has been estimated to be as high as 30,000.
Additionally, The Salvation Army is has been coordinating in-kind goods for
the state's emergency wildfire response and is additionally providing mobile
feeding support for the shelters and for fire responders. Nearly all of the
8000 residents of the town of Show Low were evacuated over the weekend.
Hauser reports that Dave Eply, N9CZV--who lives in Show Low--has been
handling health-and-welfare traffic for those town residents who, despite
the warnings, have chosen not to leave. Eply, who works for the local
utility company, is staying behind to deal with the emergency. Other
communities evacuated were Pinedale, Clay Springs, Linden, Heber, Overgaard,
Pinetop, Lakeside, Hon Dah, Forest Lake and Wagon Wheel. SATERN's Web-based
health and welfare information system is active. Those seeking information
on Arizona residents possibly affected by the fire emergency may visit the
SATERN Web site and click on "Health and Welfare Information Request" to
start the process.
57126 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 1:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Rob,
PLEASE call the Red Cross and/or Salvation Army BEFORE you load your
vehicles with thing s you think will be needed. The RC and SA will tell you
what is really needed.
In NYC there are still warehouses full of supplies that the well-meaning
sent or brought to the WTC area after 11 September. Most of what was
donated was either not needed or incorrect in some manner. As an example,
guys in the field want water in 1.5 Liter bottles; in fact, most backpacks
for wildland fire fighters have 2 or 4 sleeves built in to hold that size
bottle. Gallon jugs are useless. Last time I checked NYC had several
thousand pairs of "dog booties" sent because one media report mentioned that
dogs used them. Of course the media report was wrong; except for avalanche
dogs or dogs with injuries, booties are not used by SAR K9s.
So, again, please...make your effort count, call the RC and SA and get them
what is really needed.
Gunslinger (who watched the mice eat much of the food donated to Honduras
after Hurricane Mitch)
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, 24 June, 2002 14:46
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> How is this idea...
> I know they have a shelter in Payson, so what about getting up a
> bunch of donated stuff like food items, jugs of water and whatever
> you feel will help. Tell your co-workers, tell your friends what you
> are going to do, so they have a chance to pitch in if they want.
> Then we do an organized run to Payson Saturday morning and drop off
> the stuff at the relief site. Other club members that can't go can
> give stuff to the members that are going if they so desire. I saw
> the boyscouts making the firefighters sndwiches this morning on the
> news, so I am sure they could use lots of bread, canned goods, and
> LOTS of gallon jugs of water!! We can set up a run on the web site
> and have people sign up. If anyone has something they want to donate
> but is not going can give the stuff to a member that lives close to
> them. Here is a list of stuff needed I pulled off azfamily.com:
>
> On the list of specific requests are sunscreen, eye drops, lip balm
> (i.e. Blistex or Carmex), soap, shampoo, toothbrushes, toothpaste
> and other personal hygiene items.
>
> what do you think?? -Rob
>