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57077 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:28am
Subject: RE: Riding Area OPEN
While Flagstaff certainly does have cooler temps than Phoenix, Ive always wondered how much cooler it was once you were sitting in the middle of 100 square miles of black heat-absorbing volcanic rock. My first and only visit to the Cinders was on a Memorial Day weekend a couple of years ago&.it got HOT up there, IMO. (silly me&.I forgot&.its a dry heat!)
If you go, be safe AND BE EXTRA SMART !!!!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:13 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
Recreationists................ FYI
If you're thinking of a "cool 4th"................ Be careful, be safe! S.
Subject: Riding Area OPEN
POTA member Mark Teeters reports that the Cinder Hills OHV area North of Flagstaff is OPEN!!!
So, there is a cool place to ride somewhat nearby after all...
To get there, go thru Flagstaff and before you get to the turnoff to Sunset Crater, there's a dirt road on your right with a sign directing you to the Cinder Hills OHV area.
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57078 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:29am
Subject: Fw: Salvation Army Arizone Fire Response
FYI
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, 24 June, 2002 10:09
Subject: Salvation Army Arizone Fire Response
> Edgar Arizona
>
> Warren Andreasen K7CWA Western Coordinator for SATERN reported on the
> International SATERN net that The Salvation Army has been tasked with
> coordinating in-kind goods for the States Emergency wildfire response.
>
> Salvation Army Corps are providing shelter areas for refugees fleeing from
> the fire and Andreasen estimates that there are at least 30,000 evacuees
as
> of this point in time. He indicates that evacuees are being sheltered in a
> sports dome and high school in Edgar, AZ. The Salvation Army is
additionally
> providing mobile feeding support for the shelter areas and for responders.
>
> Andreasen mentions that there is great concern for the towns of Heber and
> Sholow , AZ. There is a concern also for the potential loss of The
Salvation
> Army Camp Ponderosa located near the town of Heber, AZ.
>
> SATERN has setup stations at The Salvation Army Southwest Divisional
> Headquarters, Mesa, Arizona, Winslow, Arizona and Eager Arizona and is
> coordinating emergency communications for the state. SATERN will be
> operating on the frequencies of 7265 MHZ and 3990 MHZ. There is a request
to
> the FCC to declare these emergency only frequencies for the Arizona fire
> disaster. The Callsign for the Southwest Divisions station is W7TSA.
>
> Also, SATERN's Health and Welfare system is up and running. Persons
looking
> for loved ones affected by the disaster may go to satern.org and click on
the
> Health and Welfare area to start the process.
>
>
>
57079 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:32am
Subject: Re: fire releif/aid run
I have heard that gloves, toiletries, gatoraide and the like are
needed. I will continue to call around today (if work doesn't kill me
first) to find out what supplies are needed and where. Any
assistance is this department would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
and more to come.
Brian aka Gray Matter
--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> No. we are saying we want to find out what kind of supplies they
> need at a relief site, and take them there ourselves. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...> wrote:
> > are you guys saying the Red Cross needs truck to move supplies
> from Phx to
> > the relief sites?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:31 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: fire releif/aid run
> >
> >
> > > I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it
> may
> > > not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run
> to
> > > one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -
Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red
> cross.
> > > They have
> > > > the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the
> store.
> > > >
> > > > A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as
you
> > > dseen on the
> > > > news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews
> are
> > > stuck
> > > > there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need
more
> > > people up
> > > > there, despite good intentions.
> > > >
> > > > We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
> > > money, food
> > > > blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled
> all
> > > of our
> > > > items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross
office,
> > > for that
> > > > fire, on behalf of the club.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
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57080 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:36am
Subject: Power Steering pump
I am in need of a power steering pump bracket for an AMC 4.2L(258) 6cyl.
Anyone have one of these laying around?
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
57081 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:43am
Subject: RE: Riding Area OPEN
Thats right............. don't forget that "dry heat". I'm heading to Orlando FL in a couple of hours so I'm definitely going to be dreaming of the "dry heat". Last time in Florida, I couldn't breath...............
Re Flagstaff though.............. not too many years ago we were at the Cinders over the 4th, sitting atop one of the "hills" above Flagstaff ..... looking DOWN upon the fireworks and FREEZING the back sides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was COLD waaaaaaaaaaaaay up in dem dang hills!
S.
BTW: Stu, I forwarded your letter (Sierra Club) to a few "agency" friends............... they think it was GREAT. Feel we need MORE like this................. also they agree that the "shady agency folks need to be shut down, fired, shot, or retired"............. They agree there is a "new game" out there and there are way too many "old timers" that cannot get with the plan. They have been allowed to do their own thing for so many years it's easy! We all have to remember........... there really are agency people that ARE on our side!!................. not as many as they'd like to think, but it is starting.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:28 AM
To: 'AZVJC'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
While Flagstaff certainly does have cooler temps than Phoenix, I’ve always wondered how much cooler it was once you were sitting in the middle of 100 square miles of black heat-absorbing volcanic rock. My first and only visit to the Cinders was on a Memorial Day weekend a couple of years ago….it got HOT up there, IMO. (silly me….I forgot….it’s a dry heat!)
If you go, be safe AND BE EXTRA SMART !!!!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:13 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
Recreationists................ FYI
If you're thinking of a "cool 4th"................ Be careful, be safe! S.
Subject: Riding Area OPEN
POTA member Mark Teeters reports that the Cinder Hills OHV area North of Flagstaff is OPEN!!!
So, there is a cool place to ride somewhat nearby after all...
To get there, go thru Flagstaff and before you get to the turnoff to Sunset Crater, there's a dirt road on your right with a sign directing you to the Cinder Hills OHV area.
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57082 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:52am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Stu,
If you are interested, on KFYI right now they are discussing this
(550AM). I am at school right now and heard them on the way in.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> You mean the Sierra Club home page contains NO information about
any of
> the fires? I'm shocked! LOL
>
>
>
> Now is the time to tell everyone you know (especially at work) that
> these horrific fires are the result of forest mismanagement that was
> pushed on all of us by the Sierra Club and their likes. I'll be
talking
> about it at the water cooler, the coffee pot, and even the
> bathroom...OK, maybe not the bathroom, but you get the point.
>
>
>
> Our Arizona neighbors have lost their homes...now is the time to be
> proactive about this entire issue and with any luck, enough folks
will
> see through the Sierra Club smokescreen and they won't let it happen
> again. Perhaps this little bit of good can come from the
devastation
> that has occurred during this past month. Don't stand by the
wayside
> and let it go unheard!
>
>
>
> TC!
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: T.J. Nosmo-King [mailto:ice626@h...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:36 AM
> To: solson8@q...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] will you yelp?
>
>
>
> BRAVO....BRAVO.......
>
> great letter, Stu......I was just cruising around a few of the
greenies'
> sites (including SC)....did you notice the conspicuous lack of any
> mention of the fires buring across the west????
>
>
>
>
>
> TJ Gill
>
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>
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>
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>
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57083 From: Steve Adams <sadams@d...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:18am
Subject: environmentalist
When looking at the current situation don't forget the other fire that is just up past our own problems. I am sure many of us have spent time on Missionary Ridge if not just the mountains around Durango. They need our help to, if not just some strongly worded letters. A house I used to live in on CR 250 (east animas road) is gone, so lets not forget that people are loosing there houses and dreames up there to.
57084 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:52am
Subject: [FS] Free YJ Factory Soft Top
Price: FREE
Contact: Dave Montgomery dmontgomery@sjm.com
Tan, missing side and back windows, has half door skins and frames but windows are foggy. Has factory frame no tub hardware. Carefree Highway/Cave Creek area.
Dave Montgomery
57085 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:08am
Subject: Re: [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
One time when we were going to run the Log Corral trail, I called the forest service
to ask about where to cross the Verde. I did this because I was aware there were
bald eagle nesting areas along the east side of the Verde that were closed to vehicles.
Instead of telling me I couldn't cross, he told me that there were prefered locations
for crossing as well as closed areas. He expressed no concern about contaminating
the water. So it seems that "crossability" depends on whether or not a particular
area has been closed - not on some law.
-Roger
Nick Gasmena wrote:
I was told that it was illegal to drive through the river due to oil and fluids on vehicles... It contaminates the water... A sheriff out at Bartlett lake told me that... Is this true? Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
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My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
timothy doyle is leading a FR-42 trail run on Sunday, June 23, 2002.
When: 9:00am
Where: paystation
Rating: 3.0+
Length: all day or something
CB Channel: 04
we will run the FR-42 trail and also in the midle of the run. there is a place were you can drive down to the water and play in it and go across if you wont to. the part of the trail we will take to the water any stock jeep can make i am planning on only runing half of FR-42 unless everyone wont's to finish it. this time i will bring the grill!THIS TRAIL IS OPEN!!!!!! (THE PART TO THE WATER I WOULD RATE IT A 2.0 MAYBE A 2.5 I HAVE RUN IT IN 2WD BUT THERE ARE SOME FUN PLACES 4WD IS NEEDED.(PLAESE PUT DEFINET IF YOU ARE GOING BY 06/21 SO I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD TO BRING.)i will be bringing hambargers and hotdogs for everyone 3.50 for the dogs and 4.50 bargers just kidding!!!! but the dogs and bargers are for eveyone.FREE that is.just bring a grill.thanx to everone how said they are going we will have fun,Tim Doyle
ok i got bad news no fire's out on BLM land i was told wrong by a friend of mine. SORRY I will not do that agian i got a lot of drinks though for everyone! SORRY AGIAN
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57086 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:31am
Subject: Re: I just flew over the Rodeo Fire...
I heard last night that the FAA has granted the fire fighting operation full
access meaning that the airspace is closed within an area 5 miles outside
of the fire's boundaries and up to a ceiling of 10,000 feet. Sounds like
they are going to be flying a lot of bombers and helicopters in there.
Hopefully that will help a lot.
It also means that the news choppers won't be able to get in there and
provide us with video.
-Roger
Joe W wrote:
> Unbelievable... I'll be posting some pictures on my web page in 30 minutes
> or so...
>
> Joe West
>
57087 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:46am
Subject: RE: Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
What size tires and gears?
-----Original Message-----
From: parbetter1 [mailto:parbetter1@c...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
I still have yet to find the problem with my speedo going beserk. I
will pull my speed sensor and hope someone out there can take the
five minutes to try it in their TJ to help me diagnose the problem.
Please call me if you can help, I live near 43rd avenue and Union
Hills......Thanks Bill 602-502-2332
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57088 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:49am
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
KC7ZDW - but all I have is a dualband handheld.
-Roger
Michael Connor wrote:
> I've got a Jeep and a ham license; lemme know
> where to show up and when. I know Stu is liscensed
> as well; anyone else?
>
> Uncle Mike
> NQ7K
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
> > Gray Matter,
> >
> > You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
> > (communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM license may be
> able
> > to assist in that area.
> >
> > Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster Volunteers:
> > Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u....
> >
> > Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
> > Community Support Office
> > John Paulsen, Manager
> > Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
> > Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
> > Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
> >
> > Gunslinger
> >
> > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
> >
> >
> > > I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
> > > they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
> > > with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
> > > could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > > > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> > > > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
> > > red
> > > > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> > > > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
> > > up.
> > > > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > attorney
> > > >
> > > > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> > > > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
> > > not
> > > > to try and write after a nap!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> > > > load up.
> > > > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> > > > fires????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all:
> > > > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
> > > help
> > > > out
> > > > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> > > > together
> > > > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
> > > we
> > > > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> > > > group,
> > > > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> > > the 'land
> > > > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> > > > Let
> > > > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> > > > but
> > > > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
> > > we
> > > > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> > > > group
> > > > > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
> > > of
> > > > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> > > > me...
> > > > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > > attorney.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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57089 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:55am
Subject: Re: Re: fire releif/aid run
I'm sure just seeing a caravan of 20 or more Jeeps would provide some
amount of support to the victims at a relief center. It would demonstrate
that others - strangers - care about their northern neighbors. Of course,
the supplies will also obviously be a big help.
I'd like to suggest adding children's toys to the supplies list.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it may
> not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run to
> one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -Rob
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross.
> They have
> > the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
> >
> > A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you
> dseen on the
> > news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are
> stuck
> > there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more
> people up
> > there, despite good intentions.
> >
> > We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
> money, food
> > blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all
> of our
> > items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office,
> for that
> > fire, on behalf of the club.
> >
> > Matt
> >
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57090 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:04am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Since the Sierra Club etc.. refuse to respond I will draft a response
similar to what they would say. For amusement only!
"The Arizona and Colorado fires are devestating the natural
environment. Increased urban sprawl along with the poor management
techniques utilized by the forest service have led to the tragic
destruction of what once was a prestine forest. The SC has tried for
numerous years to change the clear cut and slash and burn methods of
forestry which cripple these forests. Logging companies and the US
forest service design logging techinques solely around the idea of
profits. They profit while the animals and trees suffer. NO MORE.
Simply clearing the forest of litter and downed fuel, which will
destroy the forest ecology, will not stop these devestating fires.
No, more must be done! In addition to your contibutions, we must
unite and remove any inclinkling of human presence in these forests.
Mother nature doesn't destroy the forest, the us forest serice does.
These fires are the direct result of OHV and the destruction
associated with outdoor activity and careless campers. It doesn't
matter that I am sitting on a wooden chair at a wooden desk, we don't
have to see the big picture. This is do what feels correct regardless
of any logic.So unite and send us money.
Its the best I can do in five minutes at work with the bosses around!
Would you expect anything different from the SC?
Brian aka Gray matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Stu,
>
> If you are interested, on KFYI right now they are discussing this
> (550AM). I am at school right now and heard them on the way in.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > You mean the Sierra Club home page contains NO information about
> any of
> > the fires? I'm shocked! LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > Now is the time to tell everyone you know (especially at work)
that
> > these horrific fires are the result of forest mismanagement that
was
> > pushed on all of us by the Sierra Club and their likes. I'll be
> talking
> > about it at the water cooler, the coffee pot, and even the
> > bathroom...OK, maybe not the bathroom, but you get the point.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our Arizona neighbors have lost their homes...now is the time to
be
> > proactive about this entire issue and with any luck, enough folks
> will
> > see through the Sierra Club smokescreen and they won't let it
happen
> > again. Perhaps this little bit of good can come from the
> devastation
> > that has occurred during this past month. Don't stand by the
> wayside
> > and let it go unheard!
> >
> >
> >
> > TC!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> >
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: T.J. Nosmo-King [mailto:ice626@h...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:36 AM
> > To: solson8@q...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] will you yelp?
> >
> >
> >
> > BRAVO....BRAVO.......
> >
> > great letter, Stu......I was just cruising around a few of the
> greenies'
> > sites (including SC)....did you notice the conspicuous lack of any
> > mention of the fires buring across the west????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TJ Gill
> >
> > 75 CJ5
> >
> > 327/TH350
> >
> > Ocotillo West Landscaping
> >
> > 480.325.5401
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
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57091 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:18am
Subject: re: forrest fires
In your faq section you state that: Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
False
Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
I bet that the Sierra Club will have a press conference soon so that they can let all the people here in Arizona whom have lost their homes know that "Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities... false; Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires." I'm glad that your organization now has proof and evidence that forest fires pose no threat to homes and communities.
I believe that the most important precaution to prevent forest fires is by thinning the forest, and allowing roads to serve as fire breaks and access to fight fires. Your organization has done everything in its power to prevent proper forest management.
Now I think it is time for your organization to do what is right. The forest service estimates that these fires are taking approximately 1 million dollars a day to fight. When can we expect the donations to pour in from your ENVIRONMENTAL group? If this is not an environmental emergency I don't know what one is. There are displaced families who will have no home to go back to, firefighters risking their lives, and the general public watching helplessly in horror...at the enormous fire and at your organizations lack of action.
Please keep in mind that the tide is shifting. At this very moment eyes are opening across the globe from citizens to government officials. Your and organizations like yours are being publicly blasted for preventing proper forest management. Now you are in the limelight, but for different reasons. The choice is now yours to show the world what your really about. I hope and I pray that you will take some responsibility for these out of control fires and show your selves to be real environmentalists.
Sincerely,
Mike Acuna Jr
57092 From: Montgomery, David <dmontgomery@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:30am
Subject: Willys Wagon - Where is it?
Linda - Great Willys Wagon Project.
I built a 1955 back in about 1977-1980. I put Chevy 12 bolt rear and Dana
44 Front, 327 Chevy engine with T350 Automatic and a NP205 Transfer case. I
used Rancho 2.5" leaf springs and did a spring over on it before I new what
to call it. My buddy and I made our own cross over steering arm and
everything. I ended up putting all Stewart Warner guages in it, saginaw
steering, updated steering column with the ignition in the column, and 1969
Mustang bucket seats. I put Chrome Spoke wheels and (WOW!) 33-12.50 x 15
Summit Wide Climer tires on it! We even put on some custom 3" tube bumpers
front and rear. What a great project! ALL this was done in my parents
gravel driveway in Tucson!
Steve at the Willys Works in Tucson is a great source for parts and
knowledge.
If anyone knows where this truck is - I sold it in Tucson back in the early
1980's - I would love to find it. It was white in color back then.
Linda's mail:
Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
>
> It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-
cylinder,
> but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
> 60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
>
> Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
> steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure
about
> the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And,
of
> course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
>
> The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
>
> Linda
57093 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:42am
Subject: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
Bob
74 CJ-5
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:23:55 -0700
From: rlpii@u...
To: Stu Olson solson8@q...
CC: information@s...
Subject: will you yelp?
As a resident of Arizona who has also lived in several western states, I too would like to see the Sierra Club accept responsibility for their actions and to implore your organization to work with, rather than against, the people of the United States to ensure that forest management policies protect the forests, the animals, the thousands of people to use the forests, and the thousands of people who live in and around the forests from catastrophic conflagrations such as the ones here in Arizona and Colorado, as well as the ones that were experienced in Montana and California in years gone by.
Stop the lawsuits and rhetoric, help us save our environment!
Robert Peck
Stu Olson wrote:
I am writing this e-mail to request that you help supply resources and financial support to the displaced people in Arizona and other SW states who no longer have a home to live in because of the wild fires.
Both the local and national media channels are reporting that the years and years of anti-forest actions, for which the Sierra Club and other anti-recreationist organizations are so well known, are the major contributing actions to the severity of these wild fires.
The following true/false question is an example of the misinformation you spread via your web site: (http://www.sierraclub.org/logging/report01/quiz_answers.asp )
True or False:Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
Sierra Club’s Answer:Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
A quote from today’s MSNBC:
“The fire has destroyed at least 186 homes, Paxon said, including 116 homes in towns just west of Show Low. The other 70 were in Heber-Overgaard, a community 35 miles west of Show Low that was overrun Saturday.”
Perhaps you would like to take a trip to Heber-Overgaard or Show Low, Arizona and explain your ridiculous forest management concepts to the 25,000 Arizona residents who have fled from the fire’s path. With over 300,000 acres burning and more still to come, a half dozen communities have been or are still threatened by the devastation of these uncontrollable forest fires. And this is just inArizona.
Years and years of your “don’t cut the trees because you’ll go to hell” preaching and millions upon millions of dollars wasted by our government agencies defending themselves from your ridiculous lawsuits have put us where we are today. Are you aware that your lawsuits have caused as much as 40% of the US Forest Service’s budget to be wasted in the nation’s courtrooms rather than being used to provide resources for the thousands of brave fire fighters who are trying to do their job here in Arizona?
Oh, before I forget, I want to personally take the time to thank your organization for all the pain and suffering it has caused the people here in Arizona. Rumor has it that the families who have lost their homes in the blaze are a bit too preoccupied to extend their heart felt thanks to you right now. I am sure you understand, true (or false)?
I believe it is time to put your millions were your cake hole is and extend a helping hand to the people whose lives you have shattered. Charity begins at home, so the saying goes. Given the fact that you have “members” living here in Arizona and all over the southwestern US, you can’t get much more home than that, true (or false)?
For once in your pathetic lives, do something that will actually help someone. Step up to the plate and accept responsibility for the decades of misdirection you have shoved at the people of our great country.
Stu Olson
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57094 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:29am
Subject: RE: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
Send COPIES to the land agencies and your legislatures!
i.e.: Bill_Gibson@b...
Bill will forward to those that need to see this. The enviros probably
don't care............. S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
>
>
> This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
>
> Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
>
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57095 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:40am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Now Rush is ripping on the greenies & Bruce Babbit.
57096 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:41am
Subject: [FS] YJ HARDTOP NEED TO SELL!!!!!!
Price: $750.00 neg.
Contact: 520-296-2966 Erik
Red Hardtop with tinted windows, great shape, all hardware and tools, has rear window wiper, have no room, need to sell contact erik @520-296-2966
Erik Vasquez
57097 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:41am
Subject: RE: re: forrest fires
Way to go MIKE!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:19 AM
To: environmental911@sierraclub.org; AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forrest fires
In your faq section you state that:
Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
False
Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
I bet that the Sierra Club will have a press conference soon so that they can let all the people here in Arizona whom have lost their homes know that "Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities... false; Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires." I'm glad that your organization now has proof and evidence that forest fires pose no threat to homes and communities.
I believe that the most important precaution to prevent forest fires is by thinning the forest, and allowing roads to serve as fire breaks and access to fight fires. Your organization has done everything in its power to prevent proper forest management.
Now I think it is time for your organization to do what is right. The forest service estimates that these fires are taking approximately 1 million dollars a day to fight. When can we expect the donations to pour in from your ENVIRONMENTAL group? If this is not an environmental emergency I don't know what one is. There are displaced families who will have no home to go back to, firefighters risking their lives, and the general public watching helplessly in horror...at the enormous fire and at your organizations lack of action.
Please keep in mind that the tide is shifting. At this very moment eyes are opening across the globe from citizens to government officials. Your and organizations like yours are being publicly blasted for preventing proper forest management. Now you are in the limelight, but for different reasons. The choice is now yours to show the world what your really about. I hope and I pray that you will take some responsibility for these out of control fires and show your selves to be real environmentalists.
Sincerely,
Mike Acuna Jr
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57098 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:51am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
Done!
Sandee McCullen wrote:
> Send COPIES to the land agencies and your legislatures!
>
> i.e.: Bill_Gibson@b...
>
> Bill will forward to those that need to see this. The enviros probably
> don't care............. S.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
> >
> >
> > This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
> >
> > Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57099 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:43am
Subject: RE: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
The support is very much appreciated, Bob. If we could get the rest of
the VJC folks to send the SC a similar note, it would be a red letter
day for us!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
Bob
74 CJ-5
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
57100 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:59am
Subject: Teraflex or RE
I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with shocks,
so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -Rob
57101 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Re: Teraflex or RE
Oh yeah... its for a TJ -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
> consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
> anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
> Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with
shocks,
> so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -
Rob
57077 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:28am
Subject: RE: Riding Area OPEN
While Flagstaff certainly does have cooler temps than Phoenix, Ive always wondered how much cooler it was once you were sitting in the middle of 100 square miles of black heat-absorbing volcanic rock. My first and only visit to the Cinders was on a Memorial Day weekend a couple of years ago&.it got HOT up there, IMO. (silly me&.I forgot&.its a dry heat!)
If you go, be safe AND BE EXTRA SMART !!!!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:13 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
Recreationists................ FYI
If you're thinking of a "cool 4th"................ Be careful, be safe! S.
Subject: Riding Area OPEN
POTA member Mark Teeters reports that the Cinder Hills OHV area North of Flagstaff is OPEN!!!
So, there is a cool place to ride somewhat nearby after all...
To get there, go thru Flagstaff and before you get to the turnoff to Sunset Crater, there's a dirt road on your right with a sign directing you to the Cinder Hills OHV area.
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57078 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:29am
Subject: Fw: Salvation Army Arizone Fire Response
FYI
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, 24 June, 2002 10:09
Subject: Salvation Army Arizone Fire Response
> Edgar Arizona
>
> Warren Andreasen K7CWA Western Coordinator for SATERN reported on the
> International SATERN net that The Salvation Army has been tasked with
> coordinating in-kind goods for the States Emergency wildfire response.
>
> Salvation Army Corps are providing shelter areas for refugees fleeing from
> the fire and Andreasen estimates that there are at least 30,000 evacuees
as
> of this point in time. He indicates that evacuees are being sheltered in a
> sports dome and high school in Edgar, AZ. The Salvation Army is
additionally
> providing mobile feeding support for the shelter areas and for responders.
>
> Andreasen mentions that there is great concern for the towns of Heber and
> Sholow , AZ. There is a concern also for the potential loss of The
Salvation
> Army Camp Ponderosa located near the town of Heber, AZ.
>
> SATERN has setup stations at The Salvation Army Southwest Divisional
> Headquarters, Mesa, Arizona, Winslow, Arizona and Eager Arizona and is
> coordinating emergency communications for the state. SATERN will be
> operating on the frequencies of 7265 MHZ and 3990 MHZ. There is a request
to
> the FCC to declare these emergency only frequencies for the Arizona fire
> disaster. The Callsign for the Southwest Divisions station is W7TSA.
>
> Also, SATERN's Health and Welfare system is up and running. Persons
looking
> for loved ones affected by the disaster may go to satern.org and click on
the
> Health and Welfare area to start the process.
>
>
>
57079 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:32am
Subject: Re: fire releif/aid run
I have heard that gloves, toiletries, gatoraide and the like are
needed. I will continue to call around today (if work doesn't kill me
first) to find out what supplies are needed and where. Any
assistance is this department would be greatly appreciated! Thanks
and more to come.
Brian aka Gray Matter
--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> No. we are saying we want to find out what kind of supplies they
> need at a relief site, and take them there ourselves. -Rob
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Eric Marble" <emarble3@p...> wrote:
> > are you guys saying the Red Cross needs truck to move supplies
> from Phx to
> > the relief sites?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:31 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: fire releif/aid run
> >
> >
> > > I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it
> may
> > > not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run
> to
> > > one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -
Rob
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red
> cross.
> > > They have
> > > > the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the
> store.
> > > >
> > > > A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as
you
> > > dseen on the
> > > > news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews
> are
> > > stuck
> > > > there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need
more
> > > people up
> > > > there, despite good intentions.
> > > >
> > > > We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
> > > money, food
> > > > blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled
> all
> > > of our
> > > > items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross
office,
> > > for that
> > > > fire, on behalf of the club.
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > > >
> > > >
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57080 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:36am
Subject: Power Steering pump
I am in need of a power steering pump bracket for an AMC 4.2L(258) 6cyl.
Anyone have one of these laying around?
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
57081 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:43am
Subject: RE: Riding Area OPEN
Thats right............. don't forget that "dry heat". I'm heading to Orlando FL in a couple of hours so I'm definitely going to be dreaming of the "dry heat". Last time in Florida, I couldn't breath...............
Re Flagstaff though.............. not too many years ago we were at the Cinders over the 4th, sitting atop one of the "hills" above Flagstaff ..... looking DOWN upon the fireworks and FREEZING the back sides!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It was COLD waaaaaaaaaaaaay up in dem dang hills!
S.
BTW: Stu, I forwarded your letter (Sierra Club) to a few "agency" friends............... they think it was GREAT. Feel we need MORE like this................. also they agree that the "shady agency folks need to be shut down, fired, shot, or retired"............. They agree there is a "new game" out there and there are way too many "old timers" that cannot get with the plan. They have been allowed to do their own thing for so many years it's easy! We all have to remember........... there really are agency people that ARE on our side!!................. not as many as they'd like to think, but it is starting.
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:28 AM
To: 'AZVJC'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
While Flagstaff certainly does have cooler temps than Phoenix, I’ve always wondered how much cooler it was once you were sitting in the middle of 100 square miles of black heat-absorbing volcanic rock. My first and only visit to the Cinders was on a Memorial Day weekend a couple of years ago….it got HOT up there, IMO. (silly me….I forgot….it’s a dry heat!)
If you go, be safe AND BE EXTRA SMART !!!!
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Sandee McCullen [mailto:mccullen@cableaz.com]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 8:13 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Riding Area OPEN
Recreationists................ FYI
If you're thinking of a "cool 4th"................ Be careful, be safe! S.
Subject: Riding Area OPEN
POTA member Mark Teeters reports that the Cinder Hills OHV area North of Flagstaff is OPEN!!!
So, there is a cool place to ride somewhat nearby after all...
To get there, go thru Flagstaff and before you get to the turnoff to Sunset Crater, there's a dirt road on your right with a sign directing you to the Cinder Hills OHV area.
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57082 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 8:52am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Stu,
If you are interested, on KFYI right now they are discussing this
(550AM). I am at school right now and heard them on the way in.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> You mean the Sierra Club home page contains NO information about
any of
> the fires? I'm shocked! LOL
>
>
>
> Now is the time to tell everyone you know (especially at work) that
> these horrific fires are the result of forest mismanagement that was
> pushed on all of us by the Sierra Club and their likes. I'll be
talking
> about it at the water cooler, the coffee pot, and even the
> bathroom...OK, maybe not the bathroom, but you get the point.
>
>
>
> Our Arizona neighbors have lost their homes...now is the time to be
> proactive about this entire issue and with any luck, enough folks
will
> see through the Sierra Club smokescreen and they won't let it happen
> again. Perhaps this little bit of good can come from the
devastation
> that has occurred during this past month. Don't stand by the
wayside
> and let it go unheard!
>
>
>
> TC!
>
>
>
> Stu Olson
>
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: T.J. Nosmo-King [mailto:ice626@h...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:36 AM
> To: solson8@q...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] will you yelp?
>
>
>
> BRAVO....BRAVO.......
>
> great letter, Stu......I was just cruising around a few of the
greenies'
> sites (including SC)....did you notice the conspicuous lack of any
> mention of the fires buring across the west????
>
>
>
>
>
> TJ Gill
>
> 75 CJ5
>
> 327/TH350
>
> Ocotillo West Landscaping
>
> 480.325.5401
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: Click Here
> <http://g.msn.com/1HM505401/45>
57083 From: Steve Adams <sadams@d...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:18am
Subject: environmentalist
When looking at the current situation don't forget the other fire that is just up past our own problems. I am sure many of us have spent time on Missionary Ridge if not just the mountains around Durango. They need our help to, if not just some strongly worded letters. A house I used to live in on CR 250 (east animas road) is gone, so lets not forget that people are loosing there houses and dreames up there to.
57084 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 9:52am
Subject: [FS] Free YJ Factory Soft Top
Price: FREE
Contact: Dave Montgomery dmontgomery@sjm.com
Tan, missing side and back windows, has half door skins and frames but windows are foggy. Has factory frame no tub hardware. Carefree Highway/Cave Creek area.
Dave Montgomery
57085 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:08am
Subject: Re: [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
One time when we were going to run the Log Corral trail, I called the forest service
to ask about where to cross the Verde. I did this because I was aware there were
bald eagle nesting areas along the east side of the Verde that were closed to vehicles.
Instead of telling me I couldn't cross, he told me that there were prefered locations
for crossing as well as closed areas. He expressed no concern about contaminating
the water. So it seems that "crossability" depends on whether or not a particular
area has been closed - not on some law.
-Roger
Nick Gasmena wrote:
I was told that it was illegal to drive through the river due to oil and fluids on vehicles... It contaminates the water... A sheriff out at Bartlett lake told me that... Is this true? Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
-----------------------
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----- Original Message -----
From: AzVJC Website
To: AzVJC
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 6:39 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
timothy doyle is leading a FR-42 trail run on Sunday, June 23, 2002.
When: 9:00am
Where: paystation
Rating: 3.0+
Length: all day or something
CB Channel: 04
we will run the FR-42 trail and also in the midle of the run. there is a place were you can drive down to the water and play in it and go across if you wont to. the part of the trail we will take to the water any stock jeep can make i am planning on only runing half of FR-42 unless everyone wont's to finish it. this time i will bring the grill!THIS TRAIL IS OPEN!!!!!! (THE PART TO THE WATER I WOULD RATE IT A 2.0 MAYBE A 2.5 I HAVE RUN IT IN 2WD BUT THERE ARE SOME FUN PLACES 4WD IS NEEDED.(PLAESE PUT DEFINET IF YOU ARE GOING BY 06/21 SO I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD TO BRING.)i will be bringing hambargers and hotdogs for everyone 3.50 for the dogs and 4.50 bargers just kidding!!!! but the dogs and bargers are for eveyone.FREE that is.just bring a grill.thanx to everone how said they are going we will have fun,Tim Doyle
ok i got bad news no fire's out on BLM land i was told wrong by a friend of mine. SORRY I will not do that agian i got a lot of drinks though for everyone! SORRY AGIAN
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57086 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:31am
Subject: Re: I just flew over the Rodeo Fire...
I heard last night that the FAA has granted the fire fighting operation full
access meaning that the airspace is closed within an area 5 miles outside
of the fire's boundaries and up to a ceiling of 10,000 feet. Sounds like
they are going to be flying a lot of bombers and helicopters in there.
Hopefully that will help a lot.
It also means that the news choppers won't be able to get in there and
provide us with video.
-Roger
Joe W wrote:
> Unbelievable... I'll be posting some pictures on my web page in 30 minutes
> or so...
>
> Joe West
>
57087 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:46am
Subject: RE: Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
What size tires and gears?
-----Original Message-----
From: parbetter1 [mailto:parbetter1@c...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
I still have yet to find the problem with my speedo going beserk. I
will pull my speed sensor and hope someone out there can take the
five minutes to try it in their TJ to help me diagnose the problem.
Please call me if you can help, I live near 43rd avenue and Union
Hills......Thanks Bill 602-502-2332
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57088 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:49am
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
KC7ZDW - but all I have is a dualband handheld.
-Roger
Michael Connor wrote:
> I've got a Jeep and a ham license; lemme know
> where to show up and when. I know Stu is liscensed
> as well; anyone else?
>
> Uncle Mike
> NQ7K
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Garrison St.Clair" <gunslinger@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 8:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
>
> > Gray Matter,
> >
> > You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
> > (communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM license may be
> able
> > to assist in that area.
> >
> > Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster Volunteers:
> > Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u....
> >
> > Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
> > Community Support Office
> > John Paulsen, Manager
> > Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
> > Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
> > Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
> >
> > Gunslinger
> >
> > Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
> >
> >
> > > I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
> > > they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
> > > with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
> > > could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > > > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> > > > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
> > > red
> > > > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> > > > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
> > > up.
> > > > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > > > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > attorney
> > > >
> > > > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> > > > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
> > > not
> > > > to try and write after a nap!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> > > > load up.
> > > > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> > > > fires????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all:
> > > > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
> > > help
> > > > out
> > > > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> > > > together
> > > > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
> > > we
> > > > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> > > > group,
> > > > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> > > the 'land
> > > > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> > > > Let
> > > > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> > > > but
> > > > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
> > > we
> > > > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> > > > group
> > > > > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
> > > of
> > > > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> > > > me...
> > > > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > > > attorney.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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57089 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 10:55am
Subject: Re: Re: fire releif/aid run
I'm sure just seeing a caravan of 20 or more Jeeps would provide some
amount of support to the victims at a relief center. It would demonstrate
that others - strangers - care about their northern neighbors. Of course,
the supplies will also obviously be a big help.
I'd like to suggest adding children's toys to the supplies list.
-Roger
g_rob_williams wrote:
> I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it may
> not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run to
> one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -Rob
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross.
> They have
> > the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
> >
> > A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you
> dseen on the
> > news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are
> stuck
> > there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more
> people up
> > there, despite good intentions.
> >
> > We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
> money, food
> > blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all
> of our
> > items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office,
> for that
> > fire, on behalf of the club.
> >
> > Matt
> >
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57090 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:04am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Since the Sierra Club etc.. refuse to respond I will draft a response
similar to what they would say. For amusement only!
"The Arizona and Colorado fires are devestating the natural
environment. Increased urban sprawl along with the poor management
techniques utilized by the forest service have led to the tragic
destruction of what once was a prestine forest. The SC has tried for
numerous years to change the clear cut and slash and burn methods of
forestry which cripple these forests. Logging companies and the US
forest service design logging techinques solely around the idea of
profits. They profit while the animals and trees suffer. NO MORE.
Simply clearing the forest of litter and downed fuel, which will
destroy the forest ecology, will not stop these devestating fires.
No, more must be done! In addition to your contibutions, we must
unite and remove any inclinkling of human presence in these forests.
Mother nature doesn't destroy the forest, the us forest serice does.
These fires are the direct result of OHV and the destruction
associated with outdoor activity and careless campers. It doesn't
matter that I am sitting on a wooden chair at a wooden desk, we don't
have to see the big picture. This is do what feels correct regardless
of any logic.So unite and send us money.
Its the best I can do in five minutes at work with the bosses around!
Would you expect anything different from the SC?
Brian aka Gray matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Stu,
>
> If you are interested, on KFYI right now they are discussing this
> (550AM). I am at school right now and heard them on the way in.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > You mean the Sierra Club home page contains NO information about
> any of
> > the fires? I'm shocked! LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > Now is the time to tell everyone you know (especially at work)
that
> > these horrific fires are the result of forest mismanagement that
was
> > pushed on all of us by the Sierra Club and their likes. I'll be
> talking
> > about it at the water cooler, the coffee pot, and even the
> > bathroom...OK, maybe not the bathroom, but you get the point.
> >
> >
> >
> > Our Arizona neighbors have lost their homes...now is the time to
be
> > proactive about this entire issue and with any luck, enough folks
> will
> > see through the Sierra Club smokescreen and they won't let it
happen
> > again. Perhaps this little bit of good can come from the
> devastation
> > that has occurred during this past month. Don't stand by the
> wayside
> > and let it go unheard!
> >
> >
> >
> > TC!
> >
> >
> >
> > Stu Olson
> >
> > www.stu-offroad.com
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: T.J. Nosmo-King [mailto:ice626@h...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 7:36 AM
> > To: solson8@q...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] will you yelp?
> >
> >
> >
> > BRAVO....BRAVO.......
> >
> > great letter, Stu......I was just cruising around a few of the
> greenies'
> > sites (including SC)....did you notice the conspicuous lack of any
> > mention of the fires buring across the west????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > TJ Gill
> >
> > 75 CJ5
> >
> > 327/TH350
> >
> > Ocotillo West Landscaping
> >
> > 480.325.5401
> >
> >
> >
> >
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57091 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:18am
Subject: re: forrest fires
In your faq section you state that: Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
False
Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
I bet that the Sierra Club will have a press conference soon so that they can let all the people here in Arizona whom have lost their homes know that "Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities... false; Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires." I'm glad that your organization now has proof and evidence that forest fires pose no threat to homes and communities.
I believe that the most important precaution to prevent forest fires is by thinning the forest, and allowing roads to serve as fire breaks and access to fight fires. Your organization has done everything in its power to prevent proper forest management.
Now I think it is time for your organization to do what is right. The forest service estimates that these fires are taking approximately 1 million dollars a day to fight. When can we expect the donations to pour in from your ENVIRONMENTAL group? If this is not an environmental emergency I don't know what one is. There are displaced families who will have no home to go back to, firefighters risking their lives, and the general public watching helplessly in horror...at the enormous fire and at your organizations lack of action.
Please keep in mind that the tide is shifting. At this very moment eyes are opening across the globe from citizens to government officials. Your and organizations like yours are being publicly blasted for preventing proper forest management. Now you are in the limelight, but for different reasons. The choice is now yours to show the world what your really about. I hope and I pray that you will take some responsibility for these out of control fires and show your selves to be real environmentalists.
Sincerely,
Mike Acuna Jr
57092 From: Montgomery, David <dmontgomery@s...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:30am
Subject: Willys Wagon - Where is it?
Linda - Great Willys Wagon Project.
I built a 1955 back in about 1977-1980. I put Chevy 12 bolt rear and Dana
44 Front, 327 Chevy engine with T350 Automatic and a NP205 Transfer case. I
used Rancho 2.5" leaf springs and did a spring over on it before I new what
to call it. My buddy and I made our own cross over steering arm and
everything. I ended up putting all Stewart Warner guages in it, saginaw
steering, updated steering column with the ignition in the column, and 1969
Mustang bucket seats. I put Chrome Spoke wheels and (WOW!) 33-12.50 x 15
Summit Wide Climer tires on it! We even put on some custom 3" tube bumpers
front and rear. What a great project! ALL this was done in my parents
gravel driveway in Tucson!
Steve at the Willys Works in Tucson is a great source for parts and
knowledge.
If anyone knows where this truck is - I sold it in Tucson back in the early
1980's - I would love to find it. It was white in color back then.
Linda's mail:
Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
>
> It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-
cylinder,
> but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
> 60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
>
> Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
> steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure
about
> the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And,
of
> course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
>
> The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
>
> Linda
57093 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:42am
Subject: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
Bob
74 CJ-5
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2002 07:23:55 -0700
From: rlpii@u...
To: Stu Olson solson8@q...
CC: information@s...
Subject: will you yelp?
As a resident of Arizona who has also lived in several western states, I too would like to see the Sierra Club accept responsibility for their actions and to implore your organization to work with, rather than against, the people of the United States to ensure that forest management policies protect the forests, the animals, the thousands of people to use the forests, and the thousands of people who live in and around the forests from catastrophic conflagrations such as the ones here in Arizona and Colorado, as well as the ones that were experienced in Montana and California in years gone by.
Stop the lawsuits and rhetoric, help us save our environment!
Robert Peck
Stu Olson wrote:
I am writing this e-mail to request that you help supply resources and financial support to the displaced people in Arizona and other SW states who no longer have a home to live in because of the wild fires.
Both the local and national media channels are reporting that the years and years of anti-forest actions, for which the Sierra Club and other anti-recreationist organizations are so well known, are the major contributing actions to the severity of these wild fires.
The following true/false question is an example of the misinformation you spread via your web site: (http://www.sierraclub.org/logging/report01/quiz_answers.asp )
True or False:Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
Sierra Club’s Answer:Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
A quote from today’s MSNBC:
“The fire has destroyed at least 186 homes, Paxon said, including 116 homes in towns just west of Show Low. The other 70 were in Heber-Overgaard, a community 35 miles west of Show Low that was overrun Saturday.”
Perhaps you would like to take a trip to Heber-Overgaard or Show Low, Arizona and explain your ridiculous forest management concepts to the 25,000 Arizona residents who have fled from the fire’s path. With over 300,000 acres burning and more still to come, a half dozen communities have been or are still threatened by the devastation of these uncontrollable forest fires. And this is just inArizona.
Years and years of your “don’t cut the trees because you’ll go to hell” preaching and millions upon millions of dollars wasted by our government agencies defending themselves from your ridiculous lawsuits have put us where we are today. Are you aware that your lawsuits have caused as much as 40% of the US Forest Service’s budget to be wasted in the nation’s courtrooms rather than being used to provide resources for the thousands of brave fire fighters who are trying to do their job here in Arizona?
Oh, before I forget, I want to personally take the time to thank your organization for all the pain and suffering it has caused the people here in Arizona. Rumor has it that the families who have lost their homes in the blaze are a bit too preoccupied to extend their heart felt thanks to you right now. I am sure you understand, true (or false)?
I believe it is time to put your millions were your cake hole is and extend a helping hand to the people whose lives you have shattered. Charity begins at home, so the saying goes. Given the fact that you have “members” living here in Arizona and all over the southwestern US, you can’t get much more home than that, true (or false)?
For once in your pathetic lives, do something that will actually help someone. Step up to the plate and accept responsibility for the decades of misdirection you have shoved at the people of our great country.
Stu Olson
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57094 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:29am
Subject: RE: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
Send COPIES to the land agencies and your legislatures!
i.e.: Bill_Gibson@b...
Bill will forward to those that need to see this. The enviros probably
don't care............. S.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
>
>
> This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
>
> Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
>
> Bob
> 74 CJ-5
>
>
>
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>
57095 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:40am
Subject: Re: will you yelp?
Now Rush is ripping on the greenies & Bruce Babbit.
57096 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:41am
Subject: [FS] YJ HARDTOP NEED TO SELL!!!!!!
Price: $750.00 neg.
Contact: 520-296-2966 Erik
Red Hardtop with tinted windows, great shape, all hardware and tools, has rear window wiper, have no room, need to sell contact erik @520-296-2966
Erik Vasquez
57097 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:41am
Subject: RE: re: forrest fires
Way to go MIKE!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: The Acuna Family [mailto:mkacuna@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:19 AM
To: environmental911@sierraclub.org; AzVJC Website
Subject: [az_vjc] re: forrest fires
In your faq section you state that:
Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities.
False
Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires.
I bet that the Sierra Club will have a press conference soon so that they can let all the people here in Arizona whom have lost their homes know that "Forest fires pose a major threat to home and communities... false; Homes and communities can take numerous precautions to reduce the threat of forest fires." I'm glad that your organization now has proof and evidence that forest fires pose no threat to homes and communities.
I believe that the most important precaution to prevent forest fires is by thinning the forest, and allowing roads to serve as fire breaks and access to fight fires. Your organization has done everything in its power to prevent proper forest management.
Now I think it is time for your organization to do what is right. The forest service estimates that these fires are taking approximately 1 million dollars a day to fight. When can we expect the donations to pour in from your ENVIRONMENTAL group? If this is not an environmental emergency I don't know what one is. There are displaced families who will have no home to go back to, firefighters risking their lives, and the general public watching helplessly in horror...at the enormous fire and at your organizations lack of action.
Please keep in mind that the tide is shifting. At this very moment eyes are opening across the globe from citizens to government officials. Your and organizations like yours are being publicly blasted for preventing proper forest management. Now you are in the limelight, but for different reasons. The choice is now yours to show the world what your really about. I hope and I pray that you will take some responsibility for these out of control fires and show your selves to be real environmentalists.
Sincerely,
Mike Acuna Jr
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57098 From: <rlpii@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:51am
Subject: Re: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
Done!
Sandee McCullen wrote:
> Send COPIES to the land agencies and your legislatures!
>
> i.e.: Bill_Gibson@b...
>
> Bill will forward to those that need to see this. The enviros probably
> don't care............. S.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
> >
> >
> > This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
> >
> > Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
> >
> > Bob
> > 74 CJ-5
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
57099 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:43am
Subject: RE: [Fwd: will you yelp?]
The support is very much appreciated, Bob. If we could get the rest of
the VJC folks to send the SC a similar note, it would be a red letter
day for us!
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: rlpii@q... [mailto:rlpii@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 11:43 AM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [Fwd: will you yelp?]
This is what I sent to the Sierra Club earlier this morning.
Stu, thanks for the inspiration!
Bob
74 CJ-5
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57100 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 11:59am
Subject: Teraflex or RE
I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with shocks,
so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -Rob
57101 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 24, 2002 0:00pm
Subject: Re: Teraflex or RE
Oh yeah... its for a TJ -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...> wrote:
> I can't find the old posts about this, but what is the general
> consensus or is it pretty divided? Teraflex 4" or RE 4.5"? Can
> anyone tell me what comes with both... like LCA's 4 springs, QD's,
> Trackbar brackets.... also I know the Tera doesn't come with
shocks,
> so I'll need to order those. Do any come with the uppers also? -
Rob