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57027 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:52pm
Subject: RE: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the tide changing
directions. Yes, this excess fuel situation is certainly an issue. And
with some of the recent findings about the bogus wild lynx hair and
several other mis-reported endangered animal data....maybe, just maybe
the general population is going to start seeing through the
anti-recreationist's smoke screen. I hope this ripping they are
getting it is not just the media trying to sell newspapers. :(
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
To: Az_Vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are
getting ripped
for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
have
removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
turning. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
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57028 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: FW: Burn, baby, burn!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28059
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Burn, baby, burn!
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Posted: June 22, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
Yellowstone got our attention when it went up in smoke more than a decade ago. Each year, the fires seem to get worse.
If it's not California burning, it's New Mexico, or Idaho, or Arizona, or Colorado. Beautiful forests reduced to ashes. Homes destroyed. Animals roasted. Firefighters – often young volunteers – sacrificed needlessly on the altar of "wilderness." On June 19, 2002, more than a half-million acres were burning in seven states. And the fire season is just beginning.
How did the eco-zealots convince a generation of people – and lawmakers – that it is a good thing to deny people access to their forests, their lumber and minerals, and instead, allow the fuel to accumulate so it can explode into devastating waste?
It is not a good thing. Once, foresters were taught to build firebreaks – roads through the forests to stop or slow a fire's progress and to provide access for firefighters.
But no. Eco-zealots claimed that roads in forests are not "natural." School children are told that cutting down a tree is the same as murder. They are told that mining is the same as raping the earth. They are brainwashed with this propaganda every day. What nonsense!
The eco-zealots have been very successful. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues her annual push for more "wilderness," where trees can be worshiped rather than be used – at least for a while – and then turned into charcoal. Bill Clinton's 58-million-acre "roadless" initiative continues to remove access roads to "wilderness," so it, too, can grow rich with fuel for future fires.
What Congress passes for environmental protection policy often turns out to be environmental destruction. What eco-zealots call "conservation biology" is little more than Gaia worship, seasoned with a splash of science. What many level-headed people are coming to believe is that this eco-zealot hogwash is, at best, wrong-headed and, at worst, just plain stupid.
It's time to recognize this eco-foolishness for what it is, and move on to a common-sense, free enterprise basis for land management and environmental policy.
Property rights and resource-use organizations have been popping up all across the country in recent years to try to counter the influence of the eco-zealot organizations. Leaders of many of these groups met in Alamogordo, N.M., last month to begin developing a national, coordinated strategy. These groups will meet again in Nashville, Tenn., in July to hammer out a plan of action to better coordinate the energy and efforts of hundreds of thousands of people who want relief from the policies imposed to appease the eco-fanatics.
Green groups are 20 years ahead of the property rights resource-use groups. Coordinated funding through the Environmental Grantmakers Association provides these groups with millions of dollars each year. Moreover, these groups have learned the art of corporate welfare.
The Nature Conservancy alone received more than $80 million in government grants during the last Clinton term. This organization was one of five green groups named as "executing agency or collaborating organization" in more than $800 million in grants from the U.N.'s Global Environment Facility in a single year.
The groups meeting in Nashville next month have no such "sugar daddies." What they have is determination, conviction, principle – and common sense. They have no zillion-dollar headquarters in D.C.; they don't fly around the world to perform street-theater to protest progress; they don't blow up ski lodges and research facilities; they don't hire public relations firms to conduct expensive ad campaigns; and they don't take congressmen on junkets or to fancy dinners.
What they do is learn the facts, talk to their neighbors, hold neighborhood meetings, meet with their local elected officials, write letters to the editor, monitor their legislators and vote. And they vote with a passion. They care how candidates have voted in the past, and they care enough to find out how new candidates feel about the issues that concern them.
Green groups have scoffed at their rag-tag counterparts in the past. Green groups spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to discredit their counterparts, calling them "industry-front" groups, while knowing full well that it is a lie.
Eco-zealots may be nearing the end of their era of uncontested influence. People are wising up. Why should we pay millions of dollars per wolf to reintroduce this species when the human species still needs food and shelter? Why should we spend millions of dollars for the government to buy up more land when it can't manage the land it already owns?
Why should we continue to put more and more land into wilderness – simply to let it burn?
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Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization and chairman of Sovereignty International.
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57029 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:13pm
Subject: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Hello all:
I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
knows...what we could do.
Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
57030 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: RE: BeadLocks and padding (Attn: Scott Kruise)
Thanks Sharky. I'll have to check out those purple harnesses!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] BeadLocks and padding (Attn: Scott Kruise)
I was down at West connection today...They have Bassett Bead Lock
wheels
(real ones, not the want to bes) for $99.00 for a 15x8, a smoking
deal...Also,Scott they have purple fun noodles and some killer purple
harnesses too.
Sharky
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57031 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:59pm
Subject: Re: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
I think now it is time for all the people affected by these fires to file a
class action lawsuit against the "Greenies". This would include the Forrest
Service and all the taxpayers in the state of Arizona, as it is our tax
money helping to fight these fires.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
> Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are getting
ripped
> for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
have
> removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
> turning. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57032 From: Hogan Whittall <hogan@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Re: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
It's not only the media, earlier today Jane Hull was ripping on the greenies
pretty good during a press conference. A snippet of that press conference
that was written down:
"Health of forests. Word to Environmentalists and courts ... Mother Nature
is telling us we must clean up the forests Congress must allow. Need
healthier habitat."
She's pissed that "easterners" are telling us how to run things when they've
never even been here, etc. Go Jane!
--
Hogan Whittall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Hackle'" <hackle@q...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
> Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the tide changing
> directions. Yes, this excess fuel situation is certainly an issue. And
> with some of the recent findings about the bogus wild lynx hair and
> several other mis-reported endangered animal data....maybe, just maybe
> the general population is going to start seeing through the
> anti-recreationist's smoke screen. I hope this ripping they are
> getting it is not just the media trying to sell newspapers. :(
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
> To: Az_Vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
>
> Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are
> getting ripped
> for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
> have
> removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
> turning. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
57033 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: AZ Fires
Copy of e-mail sent to all of the AZ congressman. I would suggest others
take this time to push this issue.
Where in the Hell are you:
As Senator Kyle, Senator McCain, and Governor Hull have spoken out about
the damage done by the Environmental groups and Judges to stop the
responsible logging and thinning of trees in the forest that have lead to
this terrible fire. Where the Hell are you? Do you get that many donations
from these groups that you would rather let AZ burn to the ground? Get
involved this is a very good opportunity to push getting the Forest Service
to do actual forest management. But we need your help to get this rolling.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
57034 From: parbetter1 <parbetter1@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
I still have yet to find the problem with my speedo going beserk. I
will pull my speed sensor and hope someone out there can take the
five minutes to try it in their TJ to help me diagnose the problem.
Please call me if you can help, I live near 43rd avenue and Union
Hills......Thanks Bill 602-502-2332
57035 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:24pm
Subject: Re: AZ Fires
Does anyone have the e-mails for Kolbe, Flake, or Pastor? I sent a letter
to the other reps not speaking up on the subject.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AZ Fires
> Copy of e-mail sent to all of the AZ congressman. I would suggest others
> take this time to push this issue.
>
> Where in the Hell are you:
>
> As Senator Kyle, Senator McCain, and Governor Hull have spoken out about
> the damage done by the Environmental groups and Judges to stop the
> responsible logging and thinning of trees in the forest that have lead to
> this terrible fire. Where the Hell are you? Do you get that many donations
> from these groups that you would rather let AZ burn to the ground? Get
> involved this is a very good opportunity to push getting the Forest
Service
> to do actual forest management. But we need your help to get this rolling.
>
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57036 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002
Hello All,
timothy doyle lead a trail run Sunday, June 23, 2002 across FR-42
it was fun fun fun thanx to everyone for coming.i had a blast, only two people had to get pulled out so it was a fun day for everyone we had a nice trip and let's do it agian sometime.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
57037 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:27pm
Subject: RE: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I sent this message on to everyone I know within the agency status.......
as I will be out of town until July 15th I asked them to responsd directly
to all of you.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: graymatterwj [mailto:graymatterwj@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
>
>
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57038 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: FW: Burn, baby, burn!
I used to donate money to a few different environmentalist
organizations on a regular basis, but in the last couple years being
an avid four wheeler, attending most the BLM meetings and getting
different perspectives on the same issues I have since stopped all
contributions to any eco-organization until I have the time to sit
down and read thouroghly what they are trying to do! I may have been
contributing to the same organizations that are trying to shut down
my recreation areas!! I like Stu and many others in this group do
believe in preserving nature, and using it for recreation. I believe
in tread lightly! I just think it is amazing the way these people
are twisting everyone to believe this junk!! -Rob
57039 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I agree!!! I'm willing to help out! I know there is a number you can
call to find out what they need. Maybe if we call the red cross and
see what they say? We could coordinate with them, and bring the
supplies up to holbrook or one of the other relief areas. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help
out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on
the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
57040 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: RE: My New 4x4!!!
Linda,
Now that is a lot of class, and a lot of history to go with it. Can't wait
to see it on the trail.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:14 PM
To: azvjc; xj_az
Subject: [az_vjc] My New 4x4!!!
Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-cylinder,
but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure about
the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And, of
course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
Linda
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57041 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: My New 4x4!!!
Linda, looks great !!!! You have a super base to start with and your plans
sound like fun. Can't wait to see the finished product !!
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "xj_az" <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] My New 4x4!!!
> Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
>
> It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-cylinder,
> but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
> 60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
>
> Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
> steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure about
> the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And, of
> course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
>
> The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57042 From: rickbeer105 <rickbeer105@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:36pm
Subject: DONATED GAMES FOR FIRE VICTIMS
I donated some games & some books for the littel kids that have been
displaced from those wildfires in show low i have been a victim
years ago & if it wasnt for my kids 3 & 4 at that time to see there
smiles on there faces & not a care in the world it would have been
alot harder for me & my wife so i donated about 10 board games &
several books including 4 wheel drive magazines
lets keep those kids smiling because they are going threw alot now
57043 From: roadrunner4x4 <jcorley@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: XJ Help!
Hello All, I need some help with an XJ. We just picked up a 96 XJ
with about a 3" lift, tires at about 40% tread. (BFG 31x10.5 AT)
Speeds over 45 mph. and hitting a bump the front end gets a very bad
death wobble. I have checked all front end steering parts for being
loose and have changed the track bar. Checked front end alignment and
set toe end. Has anyone else had this problem and what did you do to
fix it. Thanks for any help you can give.
Jim
97 TJ
57044 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: APACHE-SITGREAVES FOREST CLOSED
JUST AN FYI...
ACCORDING TO CHANNEL 5 NEWS, THE ENTIRE APACHE SITGREAVES FOREST IS CLOSED AS
OF TODAY (SUNDAY JUNE 23, 2002)...
THE RISK IS JUST TOO GREAT TO HUMAN LIFE...
GARY
57045 From: Sam Acuna <jazsam2@c...>
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could load up.
thanks, Sam Acuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57046 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Re: APACHE-SITGREAVES FOREST CLOSED
I heard the same thing. I wonder how long till others follow and
close the rest. I did do FR42 today, and it may be the last I can get
till the rains come. I hope it is an early and long monsoon.
--- In az_vjc@y..., itsajeepthing28@a... wrote:
> JUST AN FYI...
>
> ACCORDING TO CHANNEL 5 NEWS, THE ENTIRE APACHE SITGREAVES FOREST IS
CLOSED AS
> OF TODAY (SUNDAY JUNE 23, 2002)...
>
> THE RISK IS JUST TOO GREAT TO HUMAN LIFE...
>
> GARY
57047 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:36pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the red
cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load up.
Thanks and I will be in touch.
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn not
to try and write after a nap!!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
load up.
> thanks, Sam Acuna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
>
>
> > Hello all:
> > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help
out
> > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
together
> > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
group,
> > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
Let
> > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
but
> > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > knows...what we could do.
> > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
group
> > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on
the
> > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
me...
> > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> >
> > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57048 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
could use a few four wheel drives;-)
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
red
> cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
up.
> Thanks and I will be in touch.
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney
>
> ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
not
> to try and write after a nap!!
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> load up.
> > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
> >
> >
> > > Hello all:
> > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
help
> out
> > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> together
> > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
we
> > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> group,
> > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
the 'land
> > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> Let
> > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> but
> > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
we
> > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > knows...what we could do.
> > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> group
> > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
on
> the
> > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
of
> > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> me...
> > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > >
> > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> attorney.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
57049 From: Matt Biewer <mbiewer@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:25pm
Subject: fire releif/aid run
Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross. They have
the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you dseen on the
news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are stuck
there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more people up
there, despite good intentions.
We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water, money, food
blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all of our
items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office, for that
fire, on behalf of the club.
Matt
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57050 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:31pm
Subject: Re: fire releif/aid run
I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it may
not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run to
one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross.
They have
> the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
>
> A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you
dseen on the
> news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are
stuck
> there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more
people up
> there, despite good intentions.
>
> We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
money, food
> blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all
of our
> items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office,
for that
> fire, on behalf of the club.
>
> Matt
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
> Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at
http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.
57051 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Gray Matter,
You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
(communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM license may be able
to assist in that area.
Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster Volunteers:
Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u....
Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
Community Support Office
John Paulsen, Manager
Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
> they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
> with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
> could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
> red
> > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
> up.
> > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> attorney
> >
> > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
> not
> > to try and write after a nap!!
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> > load up.
> > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> > fires????
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello all:
> > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
> help
> > out
> > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> > together
> > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
> we
> > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> > group,
> > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> the 'land
> > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> > Let
> > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> > but
> > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
> we
> > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> > group
> > > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
> on
> > the
> > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
> of
> > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> > me...
> > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > >
> > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > attorney.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57027 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:52pm
Subject: RE: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the tide changing
directions. Yes, this excess fuel situation is certainly an issue. And
with some of the recent findings about the bogus wild lynx hair and
several other mis-reported endangered animal data....maybe, just maybe
the general population is going to start seeing through the
anti-recreationist's smoke screen. I hope this ripping they are
getting it is not just the media trying to sell newspapers. :(
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
To: Az_Vjc
Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are
getting ripped
for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
have
removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
turning. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
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57028 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 2:50pm
Subject: FW: Burn, baby, burn!
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28059
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Burn, baby, burn!
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Posted: June 22, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com
Yellowstone got our attention when it went up in smoke more than a decade ago. Each year, the fires seem to get worse.
If it's not California burning, it's New Mexico, or Idaho, or Arizona, or Colorado. Beautiful forests reduced to ashes. Homes destroyed. Animals roasted. Firefighters – often young volunteers – sacrificed needlessly on the altar of "wilderness." On June 19, 2002, more than a half-million acres were burning in seven states. And the fire season is just beginning.
How did the eco-zealots convince a generation of people – and lawmakers – that it is a good thing to deny people access to their forests, their lumber and minerals, and instead, allow the fuel to accumulate so it can explode into devastating waste?
It is not a good thing. Once, foresters were taught to build firebreaks – roads through the forests to stop or slow a fire's progress and to provide access for firefighters.
But no. Eco-zealots claimed that roads in forests are not "natural." School children are told that cutting down a tree is the same as murder. They are told that mining is the same as raping the earth. They are brainwashed with this propaganda every day. What nonsense!
The eco-zealots have been very successful. California Sen. Barbara Boxer continues her annual push for more "wilderness," where trees can be worshiped rather than be used – at least for a while – and then turned into charcoal. Bill Clinton's 58-million-acre "roadless" initiative continues to remove access roads to "wilderness," so it, too, can grow rich with fuel for future fires.
What Congress passes for environmental protection policy often turns out to be environmental destruction. What eco-zealots call "conservation biology" is little more than Gaia worship, seasoned with a splash of science. What many level-headed people are coming to believe is that this eco-zealot hogwash is, at best, wrong-headed and, at worst, just plain stupid.
It's time to recognize this eco-foolishness for what it is, and move on to a common-sense, free enterprise basis for land management and environmental policy.
Property rights and resource-use organizations have been popping up all across the country in recent years to try to counter the influence of the eco-zealot organizations. Leaders of many of these groups met in Alamogordo, N.M., last month to begin developing a national, coordinated strategy. These groups will meet again in Nashville, Tenn., in July to hammer out a plan of action to better coordinate the energy and efforts of hundreds of thousands of people who want relief from the policies imposed to appease the eco-fanatics.
Green groups are 20 years ahead of the property rights resource-use groups. Coordinated funding through the Environmental Grantmakers Association provides these groups with millions of dollars each year. Moreover, these groups have learned the art of corporate welfare.
The Nature Conservancy alone received more than $80 million in government grants during the last Clinton term. This organization was one of five green groups named as "executing agency or collaborating organization" in more than $800 million in grants from the U.N.'s Global Environment Facility in a single year.
The groups meeting in Nashville next month have no such "sugar daddies." What they have is determination, conviction, principle – and common sense. They have no zillion-dollar headquarters in D.C.; they don't fly around the world to perform street-theater to protest progress; they don't blow up ski lodges and research facilities; they don't hire public relations firms to conduct expensive ad campaigns; and they don't take congressmen on junkets or to fancy dinners.
What they do is learn the facts, talk to their neighbors, hold neighborhood meetings, meet with their local elected officials, write letters to the editor, monitor their legislators and vote. And they vote with a passion. They care how candidates have voted in the past, and they care enough to find out how new candidates feel about the issues that concern them.
Green groups have scoffed at their rag-tag counterparts in the past. Green groups spend hundreds of thousands of dollars trying to discredit their counterparts, calling them "industry-front" groups, while knowing full well that it is a lie.
Eco-zealots may be nearing the end of their era of uncontested influence. People are wising up. Why should we pay millions of dollars per wolf to reintroduce this species when the human species still needs food and shelter? Why should we spend millions of dollars for the government to buy up more land when it can't manage the land it already owns?
Why should we continue to put more and more land into wilderness – simply to let it burn?
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Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization and chairman of Sovereignty International.
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57029 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:13pm
Subject: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Hello all:
I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
knows...what we could do.
Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
57030 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:35pm
Subject: RE: BeadLocks and padding (Attn: Scott Kruise)
Thanks Sharky. I'll have to check out those purple harnesses!
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: sharxjeep@c... [mailto:sharxjeep@c...]
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2002 1:00 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] BeadLocks and padding (Attn: Scott Kruise)
I was down at West connection today...They have Bassett Bead Lock
wheels
(real ones, not the want to bes) for $99.00 for a 15x8, a smoking
deal...Also,Scott they have purple fun noodles and some killer purple
harnesses too.
Sharky
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57031 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:59pm
Subject: Re: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
I think now it is time for all the people affected by these fires to file a
class action lawsuit against the "Greenies". This would include the Forrest
Service and all the taxpayers in the state of Arizona, as it is our tax
money helping to fight these fires.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
> Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are getting
ripped
> for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
have
> removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
> turning. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57032 From: Hogan Whittall <hogan@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:01pm
Subject: Re: Fire Greenie's getting ripped
It's not only the media, earlier today Jane Hull was ripping on the greenies
pretty good during a press conference. A snippet of that press conference
that was written down:
"Health of forests. Word to Environmentalists and courts ... Mother Nature
is telling us we must clean up the forests Congress must allow. Need
healthier habitat."
She's pissed that "easterners" are telling us how to run things when they've
never even been here, etc. Go Jane!
--
Hogan Whittall
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "'Hackle'" <hackle@q...>; "'Az_Vjc'" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:52 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
> Maybe, just maybe, this is the beginning of the tide changing
> directions. Yes, this excess fuel situation is certainly an issue. And
> with some of the recent findings about the bogus wild lynx hair and
> several other mis-reported endangered animal data....maybe, just maybe
> the general population is going to start seeing through the
> anti-recreationist's smoke screen. I hope this ripping they are
> getting it is not just the media trying to sell newspapers. :(
>
>
> Stu Olson
> www.stu-offroad.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hackle [mailto:hackle@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 2:47 PM
> To: Az_Vjc
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fire Greenie's getting ripped
>
> Has anyone else noticed how bad the Environmental groups are
> getting ripped
> for this? They are getting blamed for stopping the logging that should
> have
> removed a lot of the fuel that this fire is burning. Maybe the tide is
> turning. Jim F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
57033 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:02pm
Subject: AZ Fires
Copy of e-mail sent to all of the AZ congressman. I would suggest others
take this time to push this issue.
Where in the Hell are you:
As Senator Kyle, Senator McCain, and Governor Hull have spoken out about
the damage done by the Environmental groups and Judges to stop the
responsible logging and thinning of trees in the forest that have lead to
this terrible fire. Where the Hell are you? Do you get that many donations
from these groups that you would rather let AZ burn to the ground? Get
involved this is a very good opportunity to push getting the Forest Service
to do actual forest management. But we need your help to get this rolling.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
Marx"
Member of the original dirty half dozen.
http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
http://www.rockrats.org/
57034 From: parbetter1 <parbetter1@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:11pm
Subject: Trouble shooting TJ speedo problem
I still have yet to find the problem with my speedo going beserk. I
will pull my speed sensor and hope someone out there can take the
five minutes to try it in their TJ to help me diagnose the problem.
Please call me if you can help, I live near 43rd avenue and Union
Hills......Thanks Bill 602-502-2332
57035 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:24pm
Subject: Re: AZ Fires
Does anyone have the e-mails for Kolbe, Flake, or Pastor? I sent a letter
to the other reps not speaking up on the subject.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hackle" <hackle@q...>
To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 4:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] AZ Fires
> Copy of e-mail sent to all of the AZ congressman. I would suggest others
> take this time to push this issue.
>
> Where in the Hell are you:
>
> As Senator Kyle, Senator McCain, and Governor Hull have spoken out about
> the damage done by the Environmental groups and Judges to stop the
> responsible logging and thinning of trees in the forest that have lead to
> this terrible fire. Where the Hell are you? Do you get that many donations
> from these groups that you would rather let AZ burn to the ground? Get
> involved this is a very good opportunity to push getting the Forest
Service
> to do actual forest management. But we need your help to get this rolling.
>
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member. "Groucho
> Marx"
> Member of the original dirty half dozen.
> http://www.users.qwest.net/~jkflorence/index.htm/
> http://www.rockrats.org/
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57036 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 4:28pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002
Hello All,
timothy doyle lead a trail run Sunday, June 23, 2002 across FR-42
it was fun fun fun thanx to everyone for coming.i had a blast, only two people had to get pulled out so it was a fun day for everyone we had a nice trip and let's do it agian sometime.
Click Here to View Pictures (if available)
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
57037 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 5:27pm
Subject: RE: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I sent this message on to everyone I know within the agency status.......
as I will be out of town until July 15th I asked them to responsd directly
to all of you.
Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: graymatterwj [mailto:graymatterwj@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
>
>
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
57038 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:06pm
Subject: Re: FW: Burn, baby, burn!
I used to donate money to a few different environmentalist
organizations on a regular basis, but in the last couple years being
an avid four wheeler, attending most the BLM meetings and getting
different perspectives on the same issues I have since stopped all
contributions to any eco-organization until I have the time to sit
down and read thouroghly what they are trying to do! I may have been
contributing to the same organizations that are trying to shut down
my recreation areas!! I like Stu and many others in this group do
believe in preserving nature, and using it for recreation. I believe
in tread lightly! I just think it is amazing the way these people
are twisting everyone to believe this junk!! -Rob
57039 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:09pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I agree!!! I'm willing to help out! I know there is a number you can
call to find out what they need. Maybe if we call the red cross and
see what they say? We could coordinate with them, and bring the
supplies up to holbrook or one of the other relief areas. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help
out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on
the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
57040 From: Nasser <nasser88@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:25pm
Subject: RE: My New 4x4!!!
Linda,
Now that is a lot of class, and a lot of history to go with it. Can't wait
to see it on the trail.
Nasser
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik [mailto:minihummer@w...]
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:14 PM
To: azvjc; xj_az
Subject: [az_vjc] My New 4x4!!!
Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-cylinder,
but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure about
the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And, of
course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
Linda
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57041 From: FredTJ <fredtj@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:29pm
Subject: Re: My New 4x4!!!
Linda, looks great !!!! You have a super base to start with and your plans
sound like fun. Can't wait to see the finished product !!
Cheers,
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "linda luik" <minihummer@w...>
To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "xj_az" <arizonaXJ@egroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 12:14 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] My New 4x4!!!
> Brought it home yesterday. Thanks RandyS for use of the trailer.
>
> http://community.webshots.com/album/40889988QMzPLm
>
> It's a 1954 Willys 4x4 Station Wagon. Originally it had a 4-cylinder,
> but the previous owner swapped in a Ford inline-6 (late 50 or early
> 60s). Otherwise it is all original -- including the shock absorbers!
>
> Plans are: Cummins 4BT swap, auto tranmission, D44 axles, power
> steering, power brakes (maybe ABS), and air conditioning. Not sure about
> the transfer case yet. It will most likely get a spring over. And, of
> course, a partial restoration on the body and interior.
>
> The Willys will be replacing the ZJ when it is up and running.
>
> Linda
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57042 From: rickbeer105 <rickbeer105@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:36pm
Subject: DONATED GAMES FOR FIRE VICTIMS
I donated some games & some books for the littel kids that have been
displaced from those wildfires in show low i have been a victim
years ago & if it wasnt for my kids 3 & 4 at that time to see there
smiles on there faces & not a care in the world it would have been
alot harder for me & my wife so i donated about 10 board games &
several books including 4 wheel drive magazines
lets keep those kids smiling because they are going threw alot now
57043 From: roadrunner4x4 <jcorley@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: XJ Help!
Hello All, I need some help with an XJ. We just picked up a 96 XJ
with about a 3" lift, tires at about 40% tread. (BFG 31x10.5 AT)
Speeds over 45 mph. and hitting a bump the front end gets a very bad
death wobble. I have checked all front end steering parts for being
loose and have changed the track bar. Checked front end alignment and
set toe end. Has anyone else had this problem and what did you do to
fix it. Thanks for any help you can give.
Jim
97 TJ
57044 From: <itsajeepthing28@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 3:06pm
Subject: APACHE-SITGREAVES FOREST CLOSED
JUST AN FYI...
ACCORDING TO CHANNEL 5 NEWS, THE ENTIRE APACHE SITGREAVES FOREST IS CLOSED AS
OF TODAY (SUNDAY JUNE 23, 2002)...
THE RISK IS JUST TOO GREAT TO HUMAN LIFE...
GARY
57045 From: Sam Acuna <jazsam2@c...>
Date: Wed May 29, 2002 11:34pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could load up.
thanks, Sam Acuna
----- Original Message -----
From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> Hello all:
> I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help out
> those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got together
> and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a group,
> did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue. Let
> me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do but
> with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> knows...what we could do.
> Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a group
> already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on the
> tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> land and those displaced by these fires are no different then me...
> Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
>
> Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
57046 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:17pm
Subject: Re: APACHE-SITGREAVES FOREST CLOSED
I heard the same thing. I wonder how long till others follow and
close the rest. I did do FR42 today, and it may be the last I can get
till the rains come. I hope it is an early and long monsoon.
--- In az_vjc@y..., itsajeepthing28@a... wrote:
> JUST AN FYI...
>
> ACCORDING TO CHANNEL 5 NEWS, THE ENTIRE APACHE SITGREAVES FOREST IS
CLOSED AS
> OF TODAY (SUNDAY JUNE 23, 2002)...
>
> THE RISK IS JUST TOO GREAT TO HUMAN LIFE...
>
> GARY
57047 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:36pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the red
cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load up.
Thanks and I will be in touch.
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney
ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn not
to try and write after a nap!!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
load up.
> thanks, Sam Acuna
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
fires????
>
>
> > Hello all:
> > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to help
out
> > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
together
> > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell, we
> > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
group,
> > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for the 'land
> > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
Let
> > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
but
> > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what we
> > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > knows...what we could do.
> > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
group
> > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this on
the
> > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types of
> > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
me...
> > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> >
> > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
57048 From: graymatterwj <graymatterwj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 7:58pm
Subject: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
could use a few four wheel drives;-)
Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
red
> cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
up.
> Thanks and I will be in touch.
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
attorney
>
> ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
not
> to try and write after a nap!!
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> load up.
> > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> fires????
> >
> >
> > > Hello all:
> > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
help
> out
> > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> together
> > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
we
> > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> group,
> > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
the 'land
> > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> Let
> > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> but
> > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
we
> > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > knows...what we could do.
> > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> group
> > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
on
> the
> > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
of
> > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> me...
> > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > >
> > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> attorney.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
57049 From: Matt Biewer <mbiewer@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:25pm
Subject: fire releif/aid run
Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross. They have
the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you dseen on the
news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are stuck
there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more people up
there, despite good intentions.
We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water, money, food
blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all of our
items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office, for that
fire, on behalf of the club.
Matt
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57050 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:31pm
Subject: Re: fire releif/aid run
I don't think we are talking about running to showlow, plus it may
not be there by next weekend. I was talking about doing the run to
one of the relief sites like holbrook or one of the others. -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Matt Biewer" <mbiewer@h...> wrote:
>
>
> Local Bashas grocery stores are in cooperation with the red cross.
They have
> the standard food pallet/money barrel at the front of the store.
>
> A trail run would be cool, and is a very good idea. But, as you
dseen on the
> news, nobody goes into showlow, or out. Even the press crews are
stuck
> there. Plus witht he chaos already, the probably dont need more
people up
> there, despite good intentions.
>
> We could still do the food(or whatever) drive-blankets water,
money, food
> blankets, even seedlings. I am sure if we pulled, and pooled all
of our
> items togethor, we could take them to the Phx red cross office,
for that
> fire, on behalf of the club.
>
> Matt
>
> __________________________________________________ _______________
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57051 From: Garrison St.Clair <gunslinger@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 23, 2002 8:42pm
Subject: Re: Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
Gray Matter,
You can also contact the Salvation Army. Their SATERN system
(communications) has been activated so anyone with a HAM license may be able
to assist in that area.
Here is a general Point-of-Contact for Salvation Army Disaster Volunteers:
Call (602) 804-9542 or e-mail: tom_mcsherry@u....
Here is a POC for the Arizona Division of Emergency Management:
Community Support Office
John Paulsen, Manager
Email: paulsenj@d... or (602) 231-6224
Sue Nichols, Administrative Secretary
Email: nicholss@d... or (602) 392-7522
Gunslinger
Gunslinger's First Law: "No good deed goes unpunished."
----- Original Message -----
From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 23 June, 2002 21:58
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: azvjc club run to help those displaced by az fires????
> I just got off the phone with the red cross and they flat out said
> they could use the help. So the need is there. Please provide me
> with ideas on who else we can call. The local towns?? I am sure they
> could use a few four wheel drives;-)
> Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental attorney.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...> wrote:
> > On Monday, Lets make a few calls to the red cross etc and gather
> > additional information. Any ideas on who to call other than the
> red
> > cross?? From what they are saying on the tube, this fire will get
> > bigger and worse before its gets better. I have a WJ we can load
> up.
> > Thanks and I will be in touch.
> > Brian aka Gray Matter aka the anti-tree hugger environmental
> attorney
> >
> > ps sorry about the nearly incoherent (my sentence structure and
> > spelling are not usually that bad) earlier email. I need to learn
> not
> > to try and write after a nap!!
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Sam Acuna" <jazsam2@c...> wrote:
> > > That sounds like a great idea i have a full size pickup we could
> > load up.
> > > thanks, Sam Acuna
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "graymatterwj" <graymatterwj@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2002 3:13 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] azvjc club run to help those displaced by az
> > fires????
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello all:
> > > > I was wondering if anybody would be interested in trying to
> help
> > out
> > > > those displaced by the fires this coming weekend? If we got
> > together
> > > > and had a plan would could make a 'run' this coming saturday or
> > > > Sunday. We would need to find out what to bring, go etc. Hell,
> we
> > > > could just bring food/water to those who need it. We, as a
> > group,
> > > > did a fine job of banning together a few months ago for
> the 'land
> > > > closure' meeting. We should be just as united for this issue.
> > Let
> > > > me state that I, at this point, have no idea what I/we could do
> > but
> > > > with a little bit of research we certainly could find out what
> we
> > > > could do to help. Any ideas or information would be greatly
> > > > appreciated. If you know somebody that knows sombody that
> > > > knows...what we could do.
> > > > Please post a response, email me at brluse@a... or call me on my
> > > > cell 480/510-9691 if you have any ideas or if you are part of a
> > group
> > > > already helping. I want to do something other than watch this
> on
> > the
> > > > tube saying "oh thatis really awful" I offroad on these types
> of
> > > > land and those displaced by these fires are no different then
> > me...
> > > > Thanks and lets put those jeeps to good use.
> > > >
> > > > Brian AKA Gray Matter AKA the anti-tree hugger environmental
> > attorney.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>