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56902 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:21am
Subject: [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
Price: cheap
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
any color
David Withers
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56903 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:24am
Subject: [FS] RE sway bar disconnects and Factory sway bar
Price: $10
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
I never use my sway bar and my steering hitting one of them. One side is pretty abused, but functional.
Must take factory sway bar too
David Withers
56904 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:25am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Joe,
It is my understanding it was a signal fire. It did not become a
destructive fire until they left. Is there a law against helping someone
leave the scene of a crime (the crime being leaving a fire burning)?
If you want to play the "if" game... If it were me stranded in a tinder
box I would have found another way to signal the pilot. Car mirror, run
around naked in a clearing (If I were female) :), lifted the hood of the
truck/car, wrote SOS or HELP with rocks, brush and/or wood.
If I were a pilot I would not have landed in a place that might fan the
flames which would have brought danger to the stranded, pilot and
aircraft. Not to mention the unforeseeable lives that a forest fire can
endanger.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was),
they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I thought I
could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice is a life
or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
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56905 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:27am
Subject: RE: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
Mike,
Where do you work and we'll meet you there!
Mike said free pizza!!!
Joey K
983YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
lu nch today?
I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
company is buying pizza!
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lunch today?
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> If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
>
> Joe
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> Joe West
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56906 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:28am
Subject: RE: [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
forgot to put wanted
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 4:21 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
Price: cheap
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
any color
David Withers
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56907 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:30am
Subject: [FS] For Sale: 1979 Jeep CJ7 with 401 V8 and Lots of Extras
Price: $5900 or Best Offer
Contact: Bill sdft@att.net
1979 Jeep CJ7, 401, 900 CFM Holley Projection 4 Barrel, Mixture Indicator, Headers, T400 AT with Shift Kit, B &; M Shifter, ARB Locker in Rear Axle, ARB Air Compressor with Air Chuck, Lockrite in Front Axle, 2 Gas tanks for 35 Gallons of Gas, Padded Cage, Beard Seats, Rockrails, Summers Bros Axles in Rear, 4" Lift will Fit 35's, Raised Front Shock Towers, 33" BFG All Terrains on Aluminum Outlaw II Wheels, 4.10 Gears, High Energy Ignition, MSD Box, Holley Coil, K &; N Filters, Power Steering, Custom Aluminum Dash and Gauges, Custom Diamond Plate, Tonnau Cover, Rain/Dust Cover, 3 Soft Tops, 2 Lock Boxes or Back Seat can be used in back (all included), Custom Bumpers, CB Radio, Tow Bar, and other extras. Call Bill at 480-946-8450 or email at sdft@att.net
Boni Pienups
56908 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:33am
Subject: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
56909 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:36am
Subject: RE: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
only if you promise not to whine about your ramp....
jk,
I just made $10 off my swaybar discos, do you want it to help for a new wheel?
David Withers
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56910 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:49am
Subject: RE: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
If you can find it!
Mike
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
> Mike,
> Where do you work and we'll meet you there!
> Mike said free pizza!!!
> Joey K
> 983YJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:49 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lu nch today?
>
>
> I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
> company is buying pizza!
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> > I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> > To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> > lunch today?
> >
> >
> > If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
> >
> > Joe
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> > Joe West
> > Synopsys Applications Consultant
> > 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> > Tempe, Arizona 85282
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> > Office: (480) 921-3732
> > Cell: (602) 524-7632
> > Fax: (480) 921-8883
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56911 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:00am
Subject: Re: Senator Kyle blasts Environmentalist on KFYI
I heard a similar interview with Kyl on TV. I think he said that court costs
due to environmentalist law suits eat up about 40% of the forest service's
funds.
That's 40% that would have been used to manage MY public land. This really
pisses me off.
-Roger
James Towle wrote:
> I was listening to KFYI today and they had Senator John Kyle on the air
> discussing the fire situation. The host kept pushing Senator Kyle about if
> Kyle would get more funding for the FS. Senator Kyle repeated, at least
> three times, if the environmentalist wouldn't take all the Forrest Service's
> policies to court, there would be more than enough money in the FS budget to
> deal with things. He went on to say, that these people are the reason why
> the fires were so big, because of thinning, or lack there of, they
> environmentalist are holding back in court.
>
> It was a good to hear.
>
> --James
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56912 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:02am
Subject: East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
I'll be at Chuy's at 11:30am.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.COM; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56913 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:20am
Subject: RE: East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
Well **** I can not make it now. One of my suppliers has just reminded me that I made lunch plans with him. Can't give up free lunch! If we plan this next week I will be sure to make it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:02 AM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; Joe.West@synopsys.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
I'll be at Chuy's at 11:30am.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.COM; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56914 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:34am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along I-17 daily so
I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window ought to be
executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being started by a
"four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
-Roger
DougB wrote:
> I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I get really pissed
> off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up and down I-17 you
> can see the burns where this has happened.
>
> It's just thoughtless stupidity.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > To: Webmaster@A...
> > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> >
> > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee
> with
> > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
> > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
> > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to
> see
> > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle
> were.
> > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
> > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> >
> > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I
> write
> > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
> > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned
> so
> > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
> > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> >
> > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
> > you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid
> further
> > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what
> happens
> > to innocent people.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > The Watchdog
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56915 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
That would be true if the copter landed near the fire. But I don't know if
that was the case.
-Roger
DougB wrote:
> It can easily be assumed that the extreme fanning that a copters blades have
> could have and probably did fan and spread the fire. It'll be interesting to
> see how this plays out.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> > The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
> > now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
> > started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
> > picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
> > This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
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56916 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:43am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Until they show the vehicle and its location, I don't agree with the "four-wheeling"
assessment. Most likely, they have a stock Blazer or Durango and were traveling
down a forest road. That's not an illegal activity and I don't think it's the kind of
activity people think of when talking about those "four wheeling IDIOTS".
Also, it wasn't their supposed four wheeling activity that started the fire - anyone
doing anything in the forest who becomes lost may decide to start a signal fire. So,
I think this fire gets chalked up to stupidity and is disassociated with four wheeling.
-Roger
"T.J. Nosmo-King" wrote:
Rob...I saw that on some of the news shows last nite also (being a hiker)....but I also saw the interview with the woman they picked up and she said they were 4 wheeling and ran out of gas.....BUT....as long as the media wants to say hiker, thats fine by me.....
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327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
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56917 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:45am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the cigarette out the
window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> I-17 daily so
> I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> ought to be
> executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> started by a
> "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
> and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
>
> -Roger
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> get really pissed
> > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> and down I-17 you
> > can see the burns where this has happened.
> >
> > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> >
> > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > >
> > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> Grand Cherokee
> > with
> > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> Thought it was a
> > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> the PIG driving it
> > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> close enough to
> > see
> > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> the vehicle
> > were.
> > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> organization that should
> > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > >
> > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I
> > write
> > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> homes in the White
> > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> 80,000 acres burned
> > so
> > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> acres, started by
> > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > >
> > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> the freeway, but
> > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> vehicle to avoid
> > further
> > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> and see what
> > happens
> > > to innocent people.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > The Watchdog
> > >
> > >
> > >
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56918 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:44am
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
FYI: I heard one news report that said the pilot *did* report the fire.
-Roger
Joe West wrote:
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in fact,
> speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a fire. If the
> pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they would have
> radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that is the
> limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would have done
> my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to me...
> one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of acres
> of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the life
> every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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56919 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:04am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Joe,
I think that is an assumption on your part. It's really a matter of
interpretation I suppose. The fact that the guy threw his cigarette
but out his window does make him an idiot in my opinion. But that has
nothing to do with four wheeling. The use of the term "four wheeling
IDIOT" employs a stereotype about four wheelers. Those who
choose to use generalizations like stereotypes have less credibility
in my book.
-Roger
Joe West wrote:
> I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the cigarette out the
> window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> >
> >
> > I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> > I-17 daily so
> > I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> > ought to be
> > executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> > started by a
> > "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
> > and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > DougB wrote:
> >
> > > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> > get really pissed
> > > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> > and down I-17 you
> > > can see the burns where this has happened.
> > >
> > > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > >
> > > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > > >
> > > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> > Grand Cherokee
> > > with
> > > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> > Thought it was a
> > > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> > the PIG driving it
> > > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> > close enough to
> > > see
> > > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> > the vehicle
> > > were.
> > > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> > organization that should
> > > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> > situation. As I
> > > write
> > > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> > homes in the White
> > > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> > 80,000 acres burned
> > > so
> > > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> > acres, started by
> > > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> > the freeway, but
> > > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> > vehicle to avoid
> > > further
> > > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> > and see what
> > > happens
> > > > to innocent people.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > The Watchdog
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > >
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> >
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56920 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:07am
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Yeah, a burned helo and the resulting "extra" stranded crew of
the crispy bird would have made a real statement about the average
intelligence of America, right? "We wanted to do the right thing,
like Wilford Brimley always said about Quaker Oats, and put out that
danged fire. Well, it was a little bigger than a water bottle and a
half-full bladder could overcome, so we decided to try and talk it
into going out. Once we realized that wouldn't work, well, the fire
had crept too close to the helicopter for us to get into it and take
off. So we watched it burn up, and boy howdy, that there AV gas sure
burns purty hot! And, lemme tellya, it REALLY adds to a wildfire. I
hope Channel 5 don't take the cost o' that whirlybird outta my pay!"
And there you have it! LOL!
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and
in fact,
> speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the
> pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they
would have
> radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that
is the
> limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would
have done
> my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to
me...
> one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands
of acres
> of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the
life
> every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
56921 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:16am
Subject: [FS] 33x12.50x15's Wanted
Price: A Good price
Contact: (602) 762-7564
Lookin' for 33" Goodyear MTR's or BFG MT's. With or with out wheels, and decent tread. I'm in sooooo west Glendale it's damnear CA! I'm at Luke AFB.
Call or mail me. 602-762-7564 (cell)
Jon Bartel
91 YJ "Warrior"
Jon Bartel
56922 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:19am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Hi Roger,
It is an assumption and I find the author's usage of the term "Idiot" to be
both accurate and appropriate in this instance.
I agree that the term "four wheeling" could have been left out since the
author had no idea if the guy actually ever took his rig offroad. And last
but not least, I too dislike stereotypes and I am thinking the author of the
email was a little upset so I'll forgive him/her for their indiscretion.
<smile>
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:05 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I think that is an assumption on your part. It's really a matter of
> interpretation I suppose. The fact that the guy threw his cigarette
> but out his window does make him an idiot in my opinion. But that has
> nothing to do with four wheeling. The use of the term "four wheeling
> IDIOT" employs a stereotype about four wheelers. Those who
> choose to use generalizations like stereotypes have less credibility
> in my book.
>
> -Roger
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> > I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the
> cigarette out the
> > window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > >
> > >
> > > I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> > > I-17 daily so
> > > I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> > > ought to be
> > > executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> > > started by a
> > > "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all
> four-wheelers as idiots
> > > and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > DougB wrote:
> > >
> > > > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> > > get really pissed
> > > > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> > > and down I-17 you
> > > > can see the burns where this has happened.
> > > >
> > > > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > > >
> > > > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > > > >
> > > > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> > > Grand Cherokee
> > > > with
> > > > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> > > Thought it was a
> > > > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> > > the PIG driving it
> > > > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> > > close enough to
> > > > see
> > > > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> > > the vehicle
> > > > were.
> > > > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> > > organization that should
> > > > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> > > situation. As I
> > > > write
> > > > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> > > homes in the White
> > > > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> > > 80,000 acres burned
> > > > so
> > > > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> > > acres, started by
> > > > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> > > the freeway, but
> > > > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> > > vehicle to avoid
> > > > further
> > > > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> > > and see what
> > > > happens
> > > > > to innocent people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > The Watchdog
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
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56923 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:43am
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
timothy doyle is leading a FR-42 trail run on Sunday, June 23, 2002.
When: 9:00am
Where: paystation
Rating: 3.0+
Length: all day or something
CB Channel: 04
we will run the FR-42 trail and also in the midle of the run. there is a place were you can drive down to the water and play in it and go across if you wont to. the part of the trail we will take to the water any stock jeep can make i am planning on only runing half of FR-42 unless everyone wont's to finish it. this time i will bring the grill!THIS TRAIL IS OPEN!!!!!! (THE PART TO THE WATER I WOULD RATE IT A 2.0 MAYBE A 2.5 I HAVE RUN IT IN 2WD BUT THERE ARE SOME FUN PLACES 4WD IS NEEDED.(PLAESE PUT DEFINET IF YOU ARE GOING BY 06/21 SO I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD TO BRING.)i will be bringing hambargers and hotdogs for everyone 3.50 for the dogs and 4.50 bargers just kidding!!!! but the dogs and bargers are for eveyone.FREE that is.just bring a grill.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
56924 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:53am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I am glad I am leaving in 15 minutes to go to Rocky Point. Here we
go...
Let's look at the "anti-smoking" law in Mesa. Under this law you must
be a certain distance away from a public building to be smoking. Part
of the law actually states privately owned public acsessed property.
This means to be in complete compliance with the law in Mesa, you
need to be in the street to smoke. How many times, in Mesa, have you
seen an ash tray in the street? None, right? So the average "Joe"
that is complying with the law and smoking, in Mesa, must throw their
cigarette butt in the street. This is if they are not in their
vehicle, granted. You got to love Mesa.
Some smokers generalize this statement and say, if the city of Mesa
wants us to throw the butts in the street if we are not in a car, we
might as well throw the butts in the street while we are in the car,
what's the difference? This being said, the highway/street in the
city is not going to burn up if a butt is throw on it. If it was
there would NO fireworks this year instead of limited fire works this
year.
Like I said, I am glad I am leaving, in 10 minutes now. Flame away,
you will be here and I will be on the beach.
--James
PS - The opinions above are not necessarily mine and I take no credit
for them.
56925 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:57am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Well then who's opinions are they?
You are just starting a discussion then leaving....SMART.
In the military they allow smoking on the streets but it is drilled into you
that you flick the head off then put the butt in your pocket until you get
to a place that has an ashtray.
That is they way it should be everywhere.
Joe "non-smoker" Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> I am glad I am leaving in 15 minutes to go to Rocky Point. Here we
> go...
>
> Let's look at the "anti-smoking" law in Mesa. Under this law you must
> be a certain distance away from a public building to be smoking. Part
> of the law actually states privately owned public acsessed property.
> This means to be in complete compliance with the law in Mesa, you
> need to be in the street to smoke. How many times, in Mesa, have you
> seen an ash tray in the street? None, right? So the average "Joe"
> that is complying with the law and smoking, in Mesa, must throw their
> cigarette butt in the street. This is if they are not in their
> vehicle, granted. You got to love Mesa.
> Some smokers generalize this statement and say, if the city of Mesa
> wants us to throw the butts in the street if we are not in a car, we
> might as well throw the butts in the street while we are in the car,
> what's the difference? This being said, the highway/street in the
> city is not going to burn up if a butt is throw on it. If it was
> there would NO fireworks this year instead of limited fire works this
> year.
>
> Like I said, I am glad I am leaving, in 10 minutes now. Flame away,
> you will be here and I will be on the beach.
>
> --James
>
> PS - The opinions above are not necessarily mine and I take no credit
> for them.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56926 From: pebble007 <jawooten@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Joe,
Are you saying that humans are not part of nature. That we are
in some way spared the weight of not contributing to what happens
naturally on this planet because we have frontal lobes and opposable
thumbs. Man has been creating fires on this planet since we figured
out how to make them.
Davids point is valid but in a differn't context maybe:
20 years of Smokey the Bear and immediate suppression of all forrest
fires have led to a serious overgrowth of fuels. So what would have
been a relativly simple brush fire that spreads quickly but not burn
very hot through the low brush now turns into crown fires because it
take the fire longer to consume fuel available on the ground and
gives the fire enough time and heat in one place to heat the trees to
combustion. Add serious drought conditions to this and it is a recipe
for disaster. Many types of pine trees require fire/heat in order to
pop the seeds from the cones so they can propagate. When you really
get down to it, the desert is one of the enviroments that don't
require fire to clean house (rain forrests being another).
I truly feel for those people who are about to lose everthing they
have worked hard for and this is not there fault. It is the fault of
poor forrest management over the last several decades. You take a
certain amount of risk having property in certain areas i.e forrests,
flood plains, at the bottom of an active volcano:-) and I truly hope
that these peoples homes are spared.
Just my .02 worth
Josh Wooten
99 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> David,
>
> 1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
> 2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you
really
> want to let it burn freely?
> 3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND "protect the homes"... the way you
protect
> the homes is by putting out the fire.
> 4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest... uncontrolled
blazes
> such as this are not healthy for anything.
>
> Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't
seriously
> suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out of
control
> for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> > To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > What we all don't understand is this:
> >
> > Fires can be healthy
> > Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> > The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> > A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
> > Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out
> > all the dead
> > brush and control burn during the summer.
> >
> > It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> > To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > None.
> >
> > There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire...
and in
> > fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around
a
> > fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect
> > she/he was),
> > they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
> > fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was
that
> > pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> > thought I
> > could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely
more
> > than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> > is a life
> > or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> > responsibility
> > > falls on Channel 5?
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
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56902 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:21am
Subject: [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
Price: cheap
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
any color
David Withers
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56903 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:24am
Subject: [FS] RE sway bar disconnects and Factory sway bar
Price: $10
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
I never use my sway bar and my steering hitting one of them. One side is pretty abused, but functional.
Must take factory sway bar too
David Withers
56904 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:25am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Joe,
It is my understanding it was a signal fire. It did not become a
destructive fire until they left. Is there a law against helping someone
leave the scene of a crime (the crime being leaving a fire burning)?
If you want to play the "if" game... If it were me stranded in a tinder
box I would have found another way to signal the pilot. Car mirror, run
around naked in a clearing (If I were female) :), lifted the hood of the
truck/car, wrote SOS or HELP with rocks, brush and/or wood.
If I were a pilot I would not have landed in a place that might fan the
flames which would have brought danger to the stranded, pilot and
aircraft. Not to mention the unforeseeable lives that a forest fire can
endanger.
Joey K
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was),
they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I thought I
could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice is a life
or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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56905 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:27am
Subject: RE: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
Mike,
Where do you work and we'll meet you there!
Mike said free pizza!!!
Joey K
983YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:49 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
lu nch today?
I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
company is buying pizza!
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lunch today?
>
>
> If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Joe West
> Synopsys Applications Consultant
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>
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56906 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:28am
Subject: RE: [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
forgot to put wanted
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 4:21 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [FS] Front 80's CJ-7 seat
Price: cheap
Contact: david withers dwithers@atstraffic.com or 480.215.6992
any color
David Withers
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56907 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:30am
Subject: [FS] For Sale: 1979 Jeep CJ7 with 401 V8 and Lots of Extras
Price: $5900 or Best Offer
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56908 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:33am
Subject: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
56909 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:36am
Subject: RE: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
only if you promise not to whine about your ramp....
jk,
I just made $10 off my swaybar discos, do you want it to help for a new wheel?
David Withers
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From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56910 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 9:49am
Subject: RE: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
If you can find it!
Mike
--- DesertJeep <joey@d...> wrote:
> Mike,
> Where do you work and we'll meet you there!
> Mike said free pizza!!!
> Joey K
> 983YJ
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:49 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lu nch today?
>
>
> I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
> company is buying pizza!
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> > I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> > To: Azvjc (E-mail)
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> > lunch today?
> >
> >
> > If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> >
> > Joe West
> > Synopsys Applications Consultant
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> >
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56911 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:00am
Subject: Re: Senator Kyle blasts Environmentalist on KFYI
I heard a similar interview with Kyl on TV. I think he said that court costs
due to environmentalist law suits eat up about 40% of the forest service's
funds.
That's 40% that would have been used to manage MY public land. This really
pisses me off.
-Roger
James Towle wrote:
> I was listening to KFYI today and they had Senator John Kyle on the air
> discussing the fire situation. The host kept pushing Senator Kyle about if
> Kyle would get more funding for the FS. Senator Kyle repeated, at least
> three times, if the environmentalist wouldn't take all the Forrest Service's
> policies to court, there would be more than enough money in the FS budget to
> deal with things. He went on to say, that these people are the reason why
> the fires were so big, because of thinning, or lack there of, they
> environmentalist are holding back in court.
>
> It was a good to hear.
>
> --James
>
>
>
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56912 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:02am
Subject: East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
I'll be at Chuy's at 11:30am.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.COM; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56913 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:20am
Subject: RE: East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
Well **** I can not make it now. One of my suppliers has just reminded me that I made lunch plans with him. Can't give up free lunch! If we plan this next week I will be sure to make it.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:02 AM
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com; Joe.West@synopsys.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] East Side lunch at Chuy's today.
I'll be at Chuy's at 11:30am.
Joe
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Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 9:34 AM
To: Joe.West@synopsys.COM; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
I would love togo to , Lunch today Chuy's???? I dont email at work so if you guys go... ...sniff..sniff.... could someone call me?
John K
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56914 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:34am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along I-17 daily so
I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window ought to be
executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being started by a
"four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
-Roger
DougB wrote:
> I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I get really pissed
> off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up and down I-17 you
> can see the burns where this has happened.
>
> It's just thoughtless stupidity.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > To: Webmaster@A...
> > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> >
> > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee
> with
> > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
> > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
> > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to
> see
> > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle
> were.
> > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
> > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> >
> > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I
> write
> > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
> > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned
> so
> > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
> > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> >
> > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
> > you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid
> further
> > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what
> happens
> > to innocent people.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > The Watchdog
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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56915 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
That would be true if the copter landed near the fire. But I don't know if
that was the case.
-Roger
DougB wrote:
> It can easily be assumed that the extreme fanning that a copters blades have
> could have and probably did fan and spread the fire. It'll be interesting to
> see how this plays out.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:07 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> > The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
> > now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
> > started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
> > picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
> > This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
> >
> >
> >
> >
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56916 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:43am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Until they show the vehicle and its location, I don't agree with the "four-wheeling"
assessment. Most likely, they have a stock Blazer or Durango and were traveling
down a forest road. That's not an illegal activity and I don't think it's the kind of
activity people think of when talking about those "four wheeling IDIOTS".
Also, it wasn't their supposed four wheeling activity that started the fire - anyone
doing anything in the forest who becomes lost may decide to start a signal fire. So,
I think this fire gets chalked up to stupidity and is disassociated with four wheeling.
-Roger
"T.J. Nosmo-King" wrote:
Rob...I saw that on some of the news shows last nite also (being a hiker)....but I also saw the interview with the woman they picked up and she said they were 4 wheeling and ran out of gas.....BUT....as long as the media wants to say hiker, thats fine by me.....
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56917 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:45am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the cigarette out the
window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> I-17 daily so
> I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> ought to be
> executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> started by a
> "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
> and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
>
> -Roger
>
> DougB wrote:
>
> > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> get really pissed
> > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> and down I-17 you
> > can see the burns where this has happened.
> >
> > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> >
> > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > >
> > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> Grand Cherokee
> > with
> > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> Thought it was a
> > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> the PIG driving it
> > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> close enough to
> > see
> > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> the vehicle
> > were.
> > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> organization that should
> > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > >
> > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I
> > write
> > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> homes in the White
> > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> 80,000 acres burned
> > so
> > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> acres, started by
> > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > >
> > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> the freeway, but
> > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> vehicle to avoid
> > further
> > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> and see what
> > happens
> > > to innocent people.
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > The Watchdog
> > >
> > >
> > >
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56918 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 10:44am
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
FYI: I heard one news report that said the pilot *did* report the fire.
-Roger
Joe West wrote:
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in fact,
> speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a fire. If the
> pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they would have
> radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that is the
> limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would have done
> my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to me...
> one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of acres
> of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the life
> every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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56919 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:04am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Joe,
I think that is an assumption on your part. It's really a matter of
interpretation I suppose. The fact that the guy threw his cigarette
but out his window does make him an idiot in my opinion. But that has
nothing to do with four wheeling. The use of the term "four wheeling
IDIOT" employs a stereotype about four wheelers. Those who
choose to use generalizations like stereotypes have less credibility
in my book.
-Roger
Joe West wrote:
> I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the cigarette out the
> window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> >
> >
> > I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> > I-17 daily so
> > I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> > ought to be
> > executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> > started by a
> > "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all four-wheelers as idiots
> > and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
> >
> > -Roger
> >
> > DougB wrote:
> >
> > > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> > get really pissed
> > > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> > and down I-17 you
> > > can see the burns where this has happened.
> > >
> > > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > >
> > > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > > >
> > > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> > Grand Cherokee
> > > with
> > > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> > Thought it was a
> > > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> > the PIG driving it
> > > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> > close enough to
> > > see
> > > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> > the vehicle
> > > were.
> > > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> > organization that should
> > > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > > >
> > > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> > situation. As I
> > > write
> > > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> > homes in the White
> > > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> > 80,000 acres burned
> > > so
> > > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> > acres, started by
> > > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > > >
> > > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> > the freeway, but
> > > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> > vehicle to avoid
> > > further
> > > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> > and see what
> > > happens
> > > > to innocent people.
> > > >
> > > > Sincerely,
> > > >
> > > > The Watchdog
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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56920 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:07am
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Yeah, a burned helo and the resulting "extra" stranded crew of
the crispy bird would have made a real statement about the average
intelligence of America, right? "We wanted to do the right thing,
like Wilford Brimley always said about Quaker Oats, and put out that
danged fire. Well, it was a little bigger than a water bottle and a
half-full bladder could overcome, so we decided to try and talk it
into going out. Once we realized that wouldn't work, well, the fire
had crept too close to the helicopter for us to get into it and take
off. So we watched it burn up, and boy howdy, that there AV gas sure
burns purty hot! And, lemme tellya, it REALLY adds to a wildfire. I
hope Channel 5 don't take the cost o' that whirlybird outta my pay!"
And there you have it! LOL!
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and
in fact,
> speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the
> pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they
would have
> radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that
is the
> limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would
have done
> my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to
me...
> one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands
of acres
> of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the
life
> every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:16am
Subject: [FS] 33x12.50x15's Wanted
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56922 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:19am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Hi Roger,
It is an assumption and I find the author's usage of the term "Idiot" to be
both accurate and appropriate in this instance.
I agree that the term "four wheeling" could have been left out since the
author had no idea if the guy actually ever took his rig offroad. And last
but not least, I too dislike stereotypes and I am thinking the author of the
email was a little upset so I'll forgive him/her for their indiscretion.
<smile>
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:05 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...
> Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Joe,
>
> I think that is an assumption on your part. It's really a matter of
> interpretation I suppose. The fact that the guy threw his cigarette
> but out his window does make him an idiot in my opinion. But that has
> nothing to do with four wheeling. The use of the term "four wheeling
> IDIOT" employs a stereotype about four wheelers. Those who
> choose to use generalizations like stereotypes have less credibility
> in my book.
>
> -Roger
>
> Joe West wrote:
>
> > I think the guy just meant the person who pitched the
> cigarette out the
> > window was an idiot... not all four wheeler's in general.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 10:34 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > >
> > >
> > > I live in northwest Phoenix and see those burned areas along
> > > I-17 daily so
> > > I agree that people who throw cigarette butts out the window
> > > ought to be
> > > executed. ;-} But I resent the remark about the fire being
> > > started by a
> > > "four wheeling IDIOT". That remark brands all
> four-wheelers as idiots
> > > and diminishes the credibility of the person making the remarks.
> > >
> > > -Roger
> > >
> > > DougB wrote:
> > >
> > > > I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I
> > > get really pissed
> > > > off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up
> > > and down I-17 you
> > > > can see the burns where this has happened.
> > > >
> > > > It's just thoughtless stupidity.
> > > >
> > > > Doug
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> > > >
> > > > > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> > > > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> > > > > To: Webmaster@A...
> > > > > Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
> > > > >
> > > > > While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep
> > > Grand Cherokee
> > > > with
> > > > > a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> > > Thought it was a
> > > > > pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until
> > > the PIG driving it
> > > > > through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered
> > > close enough to
> > > > see
> > > > > what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of
> > > the vehicle
> > > > were.
> > > > > I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> > > organization that should
> > > > > promote respect for the highways and trails.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> > > situation. As I
> > > > write
> > > > > this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their
> > > homes in the White
> > > > > Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless.
> > > 80,000 acres burned
> > > > so
> > > > > far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> > > acres, started by
> > > > > some four wheeling IDIOT.
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on
> > > the freeway, but
> > > > > you might consider peeling those decals off of his
> > > vehicle to avoid
> > > > further
> > > > > embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV
> > > and see what
> > > > happens
> > > > > to innocent people.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sincerely,
> > > > >
> > > > > The Watchdog
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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56923 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:43am
Subject: [TR] FR-42 - Sunday, June 23, 2002 - Reminder
Hello All,
timothy doyle is leading a FR-42 trail run on Sunday, June 23, 2002.
When: 9:00am
Where: paystation
Rating: 3.0+
Length: all day or something
CB Channel: 04
we will run the FR-42 trail and also in the midle of the run. there is a place were you can drive down to the water and play in it and go across if you wont to. the part of the trail we will take to the water any stock jeep can make i am planning on only runing half of FR-42 unless everyone wont's to finish it. this time i will bring the grill!THIS TRAIL IS OPEN!!!!!! (THE PART TO THE WATER I WOULD RATE IT A 2.0 MAYBE A 2.5 I HAVE RUN IT IN 2WD BUT THERE ARE SOME FUN PLACES 4WD IS NEEDED.(PLAESE PUT DEFINET IF YOU ARE GOING BY 06/21 SO I KNOW HOW MUCH FOOD TO BRING.)i will be bringing hambargers and hotdogs for everyone 3.50 for the dogs and 4.50 bargers just kidding!!!! but the dogs and bargers are for eveyone.FREE that is.just bring a grill.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the Sign Up List
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
56924 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:53am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I am glad I am leaving in 15 minutes to go to Rocky Point. Here we
go...
Let's look at the "anti-smoking" law in Mesa. Under this law you must
be a certain distance away from a public building to be smoking. Part
of the law actually states privately owned public acsessed property.
This means to be in complete compliance with the law in Mesa, you
need to be in the street to smoke. How many times, in Mesa, have you
seen an ash tray in the street? None, right? So the average "Joe"
that is complying with the law and smoking, in Mesa, must throw their
cigarette butt in the street. This is if they are not in their
vehicle, granted. You got to love Mesa.
Some smokers generalize this statement and say, if the city of Mesa
wants us to throw the butts in the street if we are not in a car, we
might as well throw the butts in the street while we are in the car,
what's the difference? This being said, the highway/street in the
city is not going to burn up if a butt is throw on it. If it was
there would NO fireworks this year instead of limited fire works this
year.
Like I said, I am glad I am leaving, in 10 minutes now. Flame away,
you will be here and I will be on the beach.
--James
PS - The opinions above are not necessarily mine and I take no credit
for them.
56925 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 11:57am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Well then who's opinions are they?
You are just starting a discussion then leaving....SMART.
In the military they allow smoking on the streets but it is drilled into you
that you flick the head off then put the butt in your pocket until you get
to a place that has an ashtray.
That is they way it should be everywhere.
Joe "non-smoker" Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "jetowle2000" <James.Towle@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
> I am glad I am leaving in 15 minutes to go to Rocky Point. Here we
> go...
>
> Let's look at the "anti-smoking" law in Mesa. Under this law you must
> be a certain distance away from a public building to be smoking. Part
> of the law actually states privately owned public acsessed property.
> This means to be in complete compliance with the law in Mesa, you
> need to be in the street to smoke. How many times, in Mesa, have you
> seen an ash tray in the street? None, right? So the average "Joe"
> that is complying with the law and smoking, in Mesa, must throw their
> cigarette butt in the street. This is if they are not in their
> vehicle, granted. You got to love Mesa.
> Some smokers generalize this statement and say, if the city of Mesa
> wants us to throw the butts in the street if we are not in a car, we
> might as well throw the butts in the street while we are in the car,
> what's the difference? This being said, the highway/street in the
> city is not going to burn up if a butt is throw on it. If it was
> there would NO fireworks this year instead of limited fire works this
> year.
>
> Like I said, I am glad I am leaving, in 10 minutes now. Flame away,
> you will be here and I will be on the beach.
>
> --James
>
> PS - The opinions above are not necessarily mine and I take no credit
> for them.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56926 From: pebble007 <jawooten@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:14pm
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Joe,
Are you saying that humans are not part of nature. That we are
in some way spared the weight of not contributing to what happens
naturally on this planet because we have frontal lobes and opposable
thumbs. Man has been creating fires on this planet since we figured
out how to make them.
Davids point is valid but in a differn't context maybe:
20 years of Smokey the Bear and immediate suppression of all forrest
fires have led to a serious overgrowth of fuels. So what would have
been a relativly simple brush fire that spreads quickly but not burn
very hot through the low brush now turns into crown fires because it
take the fire longer to consume fuel available on the ground and
gives the fire enough time and heat in one place to heat the trees to
combustion. Add serious drought conditions to this and it is a recipe
for disaster. Many types of pine trees require fire/heat in order to
pop the seeds from the cones so they can propagate. When you really
get down to it, the desert is one of the enviroments that don't
require fire to clean house (rain forrests being another).
I truly feel for those people who are about to lose everthing they
have worked hard for and this is not there fault. It is the fault of
poor forrest management over the last several decades. You take a
certain amount of risk having property in certain areas i.e forrests,
flood plains, at the bottom of an active volcano:-) and I truly hope
that these peoples homes are spared.
Just my .02 worth
Josh Wooten
99 TJ
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Joe West" <joe.west@s...> wrote:
> David,
>
> 1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
> 2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you
really
> want to let it burn freely?
> 3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND "protect the homes"... the way you
protect
> the homes is by putting out the fire.
> 4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest... uncontrolled
blazes
> such as this are not healthy for anything.
>
> Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't
seriously
> suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out of
control
> for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Joe
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> > To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > What we all don't understand is this:
> >
> > Fires can be healthy
> > Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> > The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> > A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
> > Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out
> > all the dead
> > brush and control burn during the summer.
> >
> > It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> > To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > None.
> >
> > There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire...
and in
> > fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around
a
> > fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect
> > she/he was),
> > they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
> > fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was
that
> > pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> > thought I
> > could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely
more
> > than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> > is a life
> > or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> > responsibility
> > > falls on Channel 5?
> > >
> > > Gary Holmes
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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