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56877 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:42am
Subject: RE: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
\/\/est Side
Where: We are meeting at the Slotski's deli on the frontage road just
before Dunlap. It is right before the chevron gas station, west side of
the freeway.
When: On your lunch break.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaylalib [mailto:jaylalib1@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
>
>
> Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one come
> all and join us!
>
> Jason
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> > Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like
> to
> > go!
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > \/\/est Siders
> > >
> > > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro
> Center? Maybe a
> > > sandwich or sub shop??
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > > >
> > > >
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56878 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
My sentiments exactly. Keep your butts and dispose of them properly. The
road is not an ashtray!!
Thanks Mike for sharing.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:41 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
> Cherokee with a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate
> 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a pretty cool looking vehicle and I
> was admiring it until the PIG driving it through a cigarette
> butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to see what
> all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
> vehicle were. I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> organization that should promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I write this e-mail there are 8,000 people
> evacuated from their homes in the White Mountains because of
> stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned so far
> from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres,
> started by some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
> freeway, but you might consider peeling those decals off of
> his vehicle to avoid further embarrassment to your club. Try
> watching the news on TV and see what happens to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
>
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56879 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I get really pissed
off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up and down I-17 you
can see the burns where this has happened.
It's just thoughtless stupidity.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee
with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to
see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle
were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I
write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned
so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid
further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what
happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56880 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:05am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Here it the reply that I sent him:
----------------------------------------------------------------
You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
though.
Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
"must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of state
members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that there
are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion in
one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications. As
a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our members
participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership has
gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the mailing
list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not reached
in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the actions
of one individual.
Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will be
chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If you
have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
56881 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:07am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
56882 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Thanks Mike - for the reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56883 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:10am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
It can easily be assumed that the extreme fanning that a copters blades have
could have and probably did fan and spread the fire. It'll be interesting to
see how this plays out.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:07 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
> now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
> started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
> picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
> This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56884 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:10am
Subject: IS your License Plate 524-GLJ??? was RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Excellent Mike... absolutely Excellent! Thanks for posting this... I've
seen smokers pitch their cigarette buts out their windows more times than I
care to remember and EVERY time I see a smoker do this I want to drive up
next to them and pitch some kind of crap into their window.
I hope we see the person who owns this red grand cherokee send a post to our
list and apologize rather than send a post to this list and say "I didn't do
it".
Did you send a thank you note to the person who sent you this email? If
not, please do and apologize for the ignorance of one of our members and let
them know that we are taking care of it. I'd be happy to thank them myself
if you'd like... just send met their email address.
Thanks again Mike... we as a group need to see this stuff.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
> Cherokee with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> Thought it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the
> PIG driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close
> enough to see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
> vehicle were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization
> that should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes
> in the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000
> acres burned so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> acres, started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
> freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to
> avoid further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and
> see what happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56885 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
falls on Channel 5?
Gary Holmes
56886 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:15am
Subject: [OT] Cigarette Butts can cause VERY Large Fires
For those that would disbelieve, the Missionary Ridge Fire in Colorado was started by someone throwing a cigarette butt out the window.
I have several relatives with homes, and my parents own property in the Forest Lakes area, which appears at present to have been spared from the fire.
http://durangoherald.com/news/MissionaryRidgeFireMap.htm
IMO, If someone starts a fire by doing something stupid, like throwing a cigarette butt out the window, or starting a signal fire and leaving it, they should be held personally and financially responsible for the damage caused. If just one person dies in the fire, they need to be charged with involuntary man-slaughter.
Tonight the people that started these two fires (Missionary Ridge and Rodeo) will likely be in their homes, safe asleep in their beds, while THOUSANDS of families are displaced from their homes, wondering if they'll have a home to come back to.
- Mike
56887 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:17am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Mike,
Very well done. I myself like others who have responded to this get very
upset seeing people toss butts out the window. If they do not want to butts
in the vehicle then why would they think we want them in our environment.
For all of the smokers out there who DO keep the butts in the vehicles I am
sorry you have to hear it but I hope some of these emails hits home and at
least some of you who do throw your butts out the window stop doing it.
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56888 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:22am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
If anyone knows a member who has a red Grand Cherokee, who is a
smoker....please politely ask him to...."STOP BEING A THOUGHTLESS ##### (add
your own creative expletive here)"
True...there maybe more than one red GC owning smoker, but as your momma
told you....keep your own garbage...don't dump it out the
window...ESPECIALLY if it's a live butt. If you don't know what to do with
it, we can probably provide some creative suggestions.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56889 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:24am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Rob...I saw that on some of the news shows last nite also (being a hiker)....but I also saw the interview with the woman they picked up and she said they were 4 wheeling and ran out of gas.....BUT....as long as the media wants to say hiker, thats fine by me.....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56890 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:25am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in fact,
speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a fire. If the
pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they would have
radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that is the
limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would have done
my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to me...
one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of acres
of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the life
every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56891 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:25am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Damn smokers!!! ;) (only kidding... I used to be one)
Seriously though... a lot of smokers really dont even think about
it. I smoked for quite a while, and I confess I used to throw my
smoke out the window all the time. I just never really stopped and
thought about it! Don't chastise the guy, just give him a heads up
and let him think about it. I have seen the error of my ways... I'm
sure he will too providing you don't JUDGE him before you KNOW him!
Hell he may mave dropped it in his lap and threw it out in a
panic.... who knows (i guess thats not a good example either! LOL)
anyway you know what I mean!!! -Rob
56892 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:32am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
What we all don't understand is this:
Fires can be healthy
Mother nature can take care of it's self.
The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out all the dead
brush and control burn during the summer.
It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was),
they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I thought I
could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice is a life
or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
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56893 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:35am
Subject: [FS] Chrome bumperetts and black tow bar for Jeep YJ
Price: 50.00
Contact: Dean Hovland
Dean Hovland
56894 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:44am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
David,
1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you really
want to let it burn freely?
3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND "protect the homes"... the way you protect
the homes is by putting out the fire.
4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest... uncontrolled blazes
such as this are not healthy for anything.
Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't seriously
suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out of control
for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
Kind Regards,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> What we all don't understand is this:
>
> Fires can be healthy
> Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
> Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out
> all the dead
> brush and control burn during the summer.
>
> It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
> fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
> fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect
> she/he was),
> they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
> fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
> pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> thought I
> could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
> than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> is a life
> or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
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56895 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I'm saying this could have been prevented b4 the "human" set fire
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:45 AM
To: 'David Withers'; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
David,
1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you
really want to let it burn freely? 3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND
"protect the homes"... the way you protect the homes is by putting out
the fire. 4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest...
uncontrolled blazes such as this are not healthy for anything.
Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't
seriously suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out
of control for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
Kind Regards,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> What we all don't understand is this:
>
> Fires can be healthy
> Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago. Or
> Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out all the dead
> brush and control burn during the summer.
>
> It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
> fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
> fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he
> was), they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported
> the fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was
> that pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> thought I
> could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
> than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> is a life
> or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
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56896 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:58am
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Great response Nick...
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...> wrote:
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot...
Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know
of a spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not
saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know
everything about
> land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt
affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour
apples in the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that
person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who
seem to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the right to
descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in
closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the
word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene
pool
> >
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56897 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:03am
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Excellant, I love Slotski's hope they have the cheese soud today.
I will be there about 11:30, sound good.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> \/\/est Side
>
> Where: We are meeting at the Slotski's deli on the frontage road
just
> before Dunlap. It is right before the chevron gas station, west
side of
> the freeway.
>
> When: On your lunch break.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jaylalib [mailto:jaylalib1@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> >
> >
> > Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one
come
> > all and join us!
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> > > Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would
like
> > to
> > > go!
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > \/\/est Siders
> > > >
> > > > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro
> > Center? Maybe a
> > > > sandwich or sub shop??
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ?????????????????????????????????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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56898 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:11am
Subject: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
Joe
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
56899 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:12am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Outstanding response and thanks for forwarding it. To the doorknob
who did it, your vehicle came with an ashtray when you bought it,
you choose to smoke so choose to use the ashtray, it was not an
optional equipment item.
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
Cherokee with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought
it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG
driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close
enough to see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
vehicle were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that
should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation.
As I write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in
the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres
burned so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres,
started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to
avoid further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see
what happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
56900 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:23am
Subject: RE: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
lunch today?
If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
Joe
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
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56901 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:49am
Subject: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
company is buying pizza!
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lunch today?
>
>
> If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Joe West
> Synopsys Applications Consultant
> 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> Tempe, Arizona 85282
>
> Office: (480) 921-3732
> Cell: (602) 524-7632
> Fax: (480) 921-8883
>
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56877 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:42am
Subject: RE: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
\/\/est Side
Where: We are meeting at the Slotski's deli on the frontage road just
before Dunlap. It is right before the chevron gas station, west side of
the freeway.
When: On your lunch break.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jaylalib [mailto:jaylalib1@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
>
>
> Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one come
> all and join us!
>
> Jason
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> > Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like
> to
> > go!
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > >
> > > \/\/est Siders
> > >
> > > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro
> Center? Maybe a
> > > sandwich or sub shop??
> > >
> > > Joey K
> > > 93YJ
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ?????????????????????????????????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
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56878 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:49am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
My sentiments exactly. Keep your butts and dispose of them properly. The
road is not an ashtray!!
Thanks Mike for sharing.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:41 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
> Cherokee with a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate
> 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a pretty cool looking vehicle and I
> was admiring it until the PIG driving it through a cigarette
> butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to see what
> all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
> vehicle were. I was shocked to see that he was a member of an
> organization that should promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I write this e-mail there are 8,000 people
> evacuated from their homes in the White Mountains because of
> stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned so far
> from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres,
> started by some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
> freeway, but you might consider peeling those decals off of
> his vehicle to avoid further embarrassment to your club. Try
> watching the news on TV and see what happens to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
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56879 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:55am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
I, for one, am glad the person posted this to the group. I get really pissed
off when I see some idiot toss a butt out of a vehicle. Up and down I-17 you
can see the burns where this has happened.
It's just thoughtless stupidity.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee
with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to
see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle
were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I
write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned
so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid
further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what
happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56880 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:05am
Subject: RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Here it the reply that I sent him:
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You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
though.
Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
"must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of state
members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that there
are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion in
one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications. As
a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our members
participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership has
gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the mailing
list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not reached
in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the actions
of one individual.
Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will be
chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If you
have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
56881 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:07am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
56882 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:08am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Thanks Mike - for the reply.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56883 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:10am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
It can easily be assumed that the extreme fanning that a copters blades have
could have and probably did fan and spread the fire. It'll be interesting to
see how this plays out.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "g_rob_williams" <g_rob_williams@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:07 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> The forrest was not burned by a stupid four wheeler (there you go..
> now we are all the same person that started a forrest fire) it was
> started by a HIKER and both she AND the news Channel 5 pilot that
> picked her up are to blame because neither of them put out the fire!
> This is according to todays front page of the Arizona Republic!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56884 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:10am
Subject: IS your License Plate 524-GLJ??? was RE: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Excellent Mike... absolutely Excellent! Thanks for posting this... I've
seen smokers pitch their cigarette buts out their windows more times than I
care to remember and EVERY time I see a smoker do this I want to drive up
next to them and pitch some kind of crap into their window.
I hope we see the person who owns this red grand cherokee send a post to our
list and apologize rather than send a post to this list and say "I didn't do
it".
Did you send a thank you note to the person who sent you this email? If
not, please do and apologize for the ignorance of one of our members and let
them know that we are taking care of it. I'd be happy to thank them myself
if you'd like... just send met their email address.
Thanks again Mike... we as a group need to see this stuff.
Kind Regards,
Joe West
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
> Cherokee with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I
> Thought it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the
> PIG driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close
> enough to see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
> vehicle were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization
> that should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought
> situation. As I write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes
> in the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000
> acres burned so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000
> acres, started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
> freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to
> avoid further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and
> see what happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56885 From: Gary Holmes <niitoyis@w...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:13am
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
falls on Channel 5?
Gary Holmes
56886 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:15am
Subject: [OT] Cigarette Butts can cause VERY Large Fires
For those that would disbelieve, the Missionary Ridge Fire in Colorado was started by someone throwing a cigarette butt out the window.
I have several relatives with homes, and my parents own property in the Forest Lakes area, which appears at present to have been spared from the fire.
http://durangoherald.com/news/MissionaryRidgeFireMap.htm
IMO, If someone starts a fire by doing something stupid, like throwing a cigarette butt out the window, or starting a signal fire and leaving it, they should be held personally and financially responsible for the damage caused. If just one person dies in the fire, they need to be charged with involuntary man-slaughter.
Tonight the people that started these two fires (Missionary Ridge and Rodeo) will likely be in their homes, safe asleep in their beds, while THOUSANDS of families are displaced from their homes, wondering if they'll have a home to come back to.
- Mike
56887 From: Joe Kearney <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:17am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Mike,
Very well done. I myself like others who have responded to this get very
upset seeing people toss butts out the window. If they do not want to butts
in the vehicle then why would they think we want them in our environment.
For all of the smokers out there who DO keep the butts in the vehicles I am
sorry you have to hear it but I hope some of these emails hits home and at
least some of you who do throw your butts out the window stop doing it.
Joe Kearney
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56888 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:22am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
If anyone knows a member who has a red Grand Cherokee, who is a
smoker....please politely ask him to...."STOP BEING A THOUGHTLESS ##### (add
your own creative expletive here)"
True...there maybe more than one red GC owning smoker, but as your momma
told you....keep your own garbage...don't dump it out the
window...ESPECIALLY if it's a live butt. If you don't know what to do with
it, we can probably provide some creative suggestions.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:05 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
> Here it the reply that I sent him:
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> You're right; the guy was an idiot. But, I don't know who he is either
> though.
>
> Just a little info about our "club." We're an online "virtual" club, any
> person can join via the website; there are no membership requirements, no
> dues. We don't (really, can't) even enforce the "rules" we have, such as
> "must own a Jeep", "must live in Arizona", etc.. since we have out of
state
> members and members that don't own a Jeep. There really is no governing
> body. Currently we have about 1800 "members;" of those, I'm sure that
there
> are some Bozo's like they guy you saw.
>
> As a group, however, we are very aware of the current extreme fire
> conditions. For the past 2 months or more, it is the topic of discussion
in
> one form or another for probably 60% of our mailing list communications.
As
> a group, we promote responsible land use, T.R.E.A.D Lightly!, etc... As a
> group, we organize and participate in clean-ups of popular recreational
> areas, such as the Coves of Saguaro Lake.
>
> Every single person I have met from the AzVJC on a trail ride takes
> protecting the environment, and our trails seriously. Not all of our
members
> participate in trail rides; in the past year only ~25% of the membership
has
> gone on at least one trail ride. Not all of our members are on the
mailing
> list either; around ~60%. My point here is that although as a group we
> encourage responsible behavior, there is a large number that are not
reached
> in one form or another. So please don't judge our group based on the
actions
> of one individual.
>
> Rest assured that if someone in our group knows who this guy is, he will
be
> chastised for his behavior. A little peer pressure goes a long way. If
you
> have a Jeep, I encourage you to join; just be warned that our mailing list
> can generate 100 to 200 e-mails per day. Alot of our mailing list members
> choose to receive a digest, or choose to read the messages on the web.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
>
>
> > Just in case you don't think people watch us.
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56889 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:24am
Subject: Re: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Rob...I saw that on some of the news shows last nite also (being a hiker)....but I also saw the interview with the woman they picked up and she said they were 4 wheeling and ran out of gas.....BUT....as long as the media wants to say hiker, thats fine by me.....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56890 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:25am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in fact,
speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a fire. If the
pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was), they would have
radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the fire... and that is the
limit of their responsibility. If I was that pilot, I too would have done
my best to pick up a person if I thought I could do it safely... to me...
one human life is worth infinitely more than hundreds of thousands of acres
of forest. If the choice is a life or the forest... I'd go for the life
every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
56891 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:25am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Damn smokers!!! ;) (only kidding... I used to be one)
Seriously though... a lot of smokers really dont even think about
it. I smoked for quite a while, and I confess I used to throw my
smoke out the window all the time. I just never really stopped and
thought about it! Don't chastise the guy, just give him a heads up
and let him think about it. I have seen the error of my ways... I'm
sure he will too providing you don't JUDGE him before you KNOW him!
Hell he may mave dropped it in his lap and threw it out in a
panic.... who knows (i guess thats not a good example either! LOL)
anyway you know what I mean!!! -Rob
56892 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:32am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
What we all don't understand is this:
Fires can be healthy
Mother nature can take care of it's self.
The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out all the dead
brush and control burn during the summer.
It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
None.
There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he was),
they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I thought I
could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice is a life
or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
Joe West
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> To: parajeeper02@y...
> Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the responsibility
> falls on Channel 5?
>
> Gary Holmes
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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56893 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:35am
Subject: [FS] Chrome bumperetts and black tow bar for Jeep YJ
Price: 50.00
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56894 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:44am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
David,
1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you really
want to let it burn freely?
3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND "protect the homes"... the way you protect
the homes is by putting out the fire.
4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest... uncontrolled blazes
such as this are not healthy for anything.
Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't seriously
suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out of control
for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
Kind Regards,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> What we all don't understand is this:
>
> Fires can be healthy
> Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago.
> Or Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out
> all the dead
> brush and control burn during the summer.
>
> It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
> fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
> fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect
> she/he was),
> they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported the
> fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was that
> pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> thought I
> could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
> than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> is a life
> or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
56895 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:47am
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I'm saying this could have been prevented b4 the "human" set fire
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:45 AM
To: 'David Withers'; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
David,
1. This fire was human caused and not natural.
2. It can take hundreds of years for a forest to recover... do you
really want to let it burn freely? 3. You cannot "Let it Burn" AND
"protect the homes"... the way you protect the homes is by putting out
the fire. 4. Controlled fires can be healthy for the forest...
uncontrolled blazes such as this are not healthy for anything.
Perhaps you are just playing devil's advocate again and you aren't
seriously suggesting that we allow human caused forest fires to burn out
of control for as long as they want... yes... that must be it.
Kind Regards,
Joe
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:32 AM
> To: Joe.West@s...; 'Azvjc (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> What we all don't understand is this:
>
> Fires can be healthy
> Mother nature can take care of it's self.
> The problem is that sometime we over protect the forests.
> A natural fire would have cleared out the brush a long time ago. Or
> Sense we won't let natural fires,, we need to clear out all the dead
> brush and control burn during the summer.
>
> It's a sad thing to say,, but let it burn and protect the homes!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:25 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> None.
>
> There is no law against a pilot leaving the scene of a fire... and in
> fact, speaking as a pilot... it is a good idea NOT to hang around a
> fire. If the pilot was a responsible person (as I suspect she/he
> was), they would have radioed Prescott Flight Services and reported
> the fire... and that is the limit of their responsibility. If I was
> that pilot, I too would have done my best to pick up a person if I
> thought I
> could do it safely... to me... one human life is worth infinitely more
> than hundreds of thousands of acres of forest. If the choice
> is a life
> or the forest... I'd go for the life every time.
>
> Joe West
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gary Holmes [mailto:niitoyis@w...]
> > Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 7:13 AM
> > To: parajeeper02@y...
> > Cc: Nick Gasmena; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > The AZ Republic article said "Hiker" and the CH5 helicopter left
> > thescene with the fire burning too. What part of the
> responsibility
> > falls on Channel 5?
> >
> > Gary Holmes
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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56896 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 7:58am
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Great response Nick...
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...> wrote:
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot...
Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know
of a spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not
saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know
everything about
> land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt
affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour
apples in the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that
person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who
seem to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the right to
descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in
closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the
word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
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> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene
pool
> >
> >
> >
> >
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56897 From: robert_j_rogers2 <robert.rogers@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:03am
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Excellant, I love Slotski's hope they have the cheese soud today.
I will be there about 11:30, sound good.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> \/\/est Side
>
> Where: We are meeting at the Slotski's deli on the frontage road
just
> before Dunlap. It is right before the chevron gas station, west
side of
> the freeway.
>
> When: On your lunch break.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jaylalib [mailto:jaylalib1@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:47 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> >
> >
> > Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one
come
> > all and join us!
> >
> > Jason
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> > > Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would
like
> > to
> > > go!
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > \/\/est Siders
> > > >
> > > > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro
> > Center? Maybe a
> > > > sandwich or sub shop??
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ?????????????????????????????????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
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56898 From: Joe West <joe.west@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:11am
Subject: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lunch today?
If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
Joe
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
56899 From: my1stjeep <my1stjeep@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:12am
Subject: Re: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Outstanding response and thanks for forwarding it. To the doorknob
who did it, your vehicle came with an ashtray when you bought it,
you choose to smoke so choose to use the ashtray, it was not an
optional equipment item.
Chris
"AzA"----------------------------------------------------------------
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> Just in case you don't think people watch us.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
> To: Webmaster@A...
> Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
>
> While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand
Cherokee with
> a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought
it was a
> pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG
driving it
> through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close
enough to see
> what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the
vehicle were.
> I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that
should
> promote respect for the highways and trails.
>
> Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation.
As I write
> this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in
the White
> Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres
burned so
> far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres,
started by
> some four wheeling IDIOT.
>
> I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the
freeway, but
> you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to
avoid further
> embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see
what happens
> to innocent people.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> The Watchdog
56900 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:23am
Subject: RE: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
lunch today?
If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
Joe
Joe West
Synopsys Applications Consultant
2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
Tempe, Arizona 85282
Office: (480) 921-3732
Cell: (602) 524-7632
Fax: (480) 921-8883
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56901 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 8:49am
Subject: Re: Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have lu nch today?
I usually would too, but there is only 2 of us here today, and the
company is buying pizza!
Mike Baney
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Siade, Randy" <randy.siade@u...> wrote:
> I am open for that today. Tempe area would be better.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joe.west@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 8:12 AM
> To: Azvjc (E-mail)
> Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone on the East Side (Tempe/Mesa) want to have
> lunch today?
>
>
> If so... let me know. I'm open for just about any place.
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> Joe West
> Synopsys Applications Consultant
> 2151 East Broadway Road, Suite 106
> Tempe, Arizona 85282
>
> Office: (480) 921-3732
> Cell: (602) 524-7632
> Fax: (480) 921-8883
>
>
>
>
>
>
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