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56852 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play spot".
> Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles looked
> like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry but
> DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
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56853 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:15pm
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Tell that to my good friend who is probably going to lose his
retirement home in Pinedale (or maybe already has), or my father who
sits on an Army base in New Jersey while his cabin he spent his life
saving for and building and that HE planned to retire on in two months
and his property are probably going up tonight along with some of MY
personal property all because someone lit a fire and LEFT it. I am
appaled I am personally impacted and personally angry so anyone who
thinks I am *****ing can just walk a mile in my shoes......
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DougB" <azjeep@c...> wrote:
> IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
> credible.
>
> HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt,
and
> should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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56854 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I don't know that area very well... But... _IF_ this were the case... Me
out with a buddy all alone and it would take 2 days of walking with no water
food, or sun protection... And I saw a helicopter flying above... I sure as
hell would light a fire as well... but would also make sure that I took the
following precautions.. (for those of you who don't know how to make a
proper "safe fire".
1) have rocks stacked in a round circle "containing" the fire
2) clear all debris and shrubs within 10-15' of the fire
3) have something to extinguish the fire (in this case the extinguisher
would be on board the helicopter)
4) make sure it was completely out after I drew attention to myself
Now, im sure many of you would disagree with me making a fire... BUT, if I
was stuck, and had no other way of getting out of there without getting
horribly dehydrated... then out come the sparks.
Now, if those ladies were 2 or 3 miles from the road, and could have walked
in a couple hours time to get help... Then I would call them idiots... And
it would just go to show how lazy our society has become.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <parajeeper02@y...>; "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
> credible.
>
> HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt, and
> should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Eric Birksparajeeper02@y...@earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >
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>
56855 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Local news just indicated they were hikers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play
spot".
> > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles
looked
> > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry
but
> > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > offroading of any
> > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > to know everything about
> > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > closures...
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > like "that person
> > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > right to descriminate
> > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > >
> > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > and getting the word out
> > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > Heber
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > HELL were they
> > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > > clean the gene pool
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > =====
> > > Eric Birksparajeeper02@y...@earthlink.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
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56856 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
Ill 2nd that.... If you need my help call me... I wouldnt mind doing some
work, and maybe getting some lunch afterwards?
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
> John,
>
> Like your mother probably told you: "If you want anything done
> right, do it yourself." Unfortunately, this is too often the case.
> Sorry to hear that your generosity has been taken advantage of. If
> it is something that could be fixed relatively easily, give me a call
> tomorrow at 602.321.6342 and I will come by and fix it. I have
> allllllllll day open! If it needs to be welded, though, well, umm,
> that isn't something that I can do. But I would help you move it,
> yank on it, pull, push, and help to whatever ability I have. And
> thank you for still being cool enough to leave it out there. While
> the only time I've ever run up it was at the last bbq, I think it's
> cool that it's there if I wanted to check my brake line length
> whenever I needed to, etc...
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> > As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
> my RTI
> > ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
> thats why
> > I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
> it
> > outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
> one spot too
> > long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> > So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
> Of course
> > you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
> your done,
> > put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
> ramp, I dont
> > have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
> Agian, I
> > could care less, have at it.
> > So this brings me to my two problems...
> >
> > A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
> jeep,
> > pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
> up with
> > the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
> wheel
> > broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
> I fix
> > it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
> caster
> > wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
> this "jepper" was
> > part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
> Saturday.. Call
> > me, I would really like to talk to you.
> > But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
> of times,
> > when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
> in. Hey
> > thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> > I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
> get
> > excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
> will
> > continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
> as long as
> > they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
> please put
> > it back they way you found it.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > John K
>
>
>
>
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56857 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
yes you are............. you forget we female species have veeeeeery long,
accurate memories!..... It WILL come back to bite you. Now having to
"admit" it was women that could be so stupid and unthinking as to "start a
signal fire" should be executed or locked away or sent to Afganistan.
Actually I know some BLM Land Managers that would do well in Afganistan....
maybe????
Want to take three guesses "who" started the NM "control burn" a couple of
years ago??? How about the Alaska burn a couple of months ago????........
both by certified "fire" Forest Service personnel... that's even scarier.
<grin> Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris benner
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my
> "play spot".
> > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their
> vehicles looked
> > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol..
> Sorry but
> > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > offroading of any
> > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > to know everything about
> > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > closures...
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > like "that person
> > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > right to descriminate
> > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > >
> > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > and getting the word out
> > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > -----------------------
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> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > Heber
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > HELL were they
> > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > > clean the gene pool
> > > > >
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56858 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Senator Kyle blasts Environmentalist on KFYI
I was listening to KFYI today and they had Senator John Kyle on the air
discussing the fire situation. The host kept pushing Senator Kyle about if
Kyle would get more funding for the FS. Senator Kyle repeated, at least
three times, if the environmentalist wouldn't take all the Forrest Service's
policies to court, there would be more than enough money in the FS budget to
deal with things. He went on to say, that these people are the reason why
the fires were so big, because of thinning, or lack there of, they
environmentalist are holding back in court.
It was a good to hear.
--James
56859 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
uh oh!! I know im in for it when Momma Sandee come out to get me! :) Your
right with the good memories... My mom always pulls 19 years of embarassing
moments out on me when she wants to retaliate!
BTW: Would those BLM Managers you know survive in afganie because they can
be heartless, crule and unfogiving jeep-eaters? Or because they know how to
light fires and would burn down the country without using more than 1 gal of
gasoline and a letter? *ouch!*
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris
benner" <offroadfun@t...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> yes you are............. you forget we female species have veeeeeery
long,
> accurate memories!..... It WILL come back to bite you. Now having to
> "admit" it was women that could be so stupid and unthinking as to "start a
> signal fire" should be executed or locked away or sent to Afganistan.
> Actually I know some BLM Land Managers that would do well in
Afganistan....
> maybe????
>
> Want to take three guesses "who" started the NM "control burn" a couple of
> years ago??? How about the Alaska burn a couple of months ago????........
> both by certified "fire" Forest Service personnel... that's even scarier.
> <grin> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris benner
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my
> > "play spot".
> > > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their
> > vehicles looked
> > > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol..
> > Sorry but
> > > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > > offroading of any
> > > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > > to know everything about
> > > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > > closures...
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > > like "that person
> > > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > > right to descriminate
> > > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > > and getting the word out
> > > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > > -----------------------
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> > > > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > > Heber
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > > HELL were they
> > > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > > > clean the gene pool
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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56860 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: RE: John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
I understand your frustration. I have an idea for you. And I will be more then happy to help you. Let's design a way to put a couple of fold down wheels. Somewhere near the center to balance it. and also maybe add a tow bar so you can transport it a distance if needed. I think if enough of your friends put in it will cover your cost. I got your first 5 bucks to go to materials for you.
Joey K.
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:03 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
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56861 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
It would be cool to add a tow bar, but if you do make it removable so there will be less liability for it to get stolen.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
I understand your frustration. I have an idea for you. And I will be more then happy to help you. Let's design a way to put a couple of fold down wheels. Somewhere near the center to balance it. and also maybe add a tow bar so you can transport it a distance if needed. I think if enough of your friends put in it will cover your cost. I got your first 5 bucks to go to materials for you.
Joey K.
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:03 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
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56862 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:18pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
That sucks. How about designing a set of wheels on springs kinda like
a rolling ladder? light spring rate just enough to lift the ramp but
when someone drives up it it bottoms out on the bottom of the ramp?
Just a thought.
Or maybe something like at fourwheelers? so it can be towed.
John
Hey if you want to set up a pay pal account (free) I would donate
$5.00 to the fix the ramp fund for repairs & mods & maintence.
--- In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
my RTI
> ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
thats why
> I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
it
> outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
one spot too
> long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
Of course
> you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
your done,
> put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
ramp, I dont
> have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
Agian, I
> could care less, have at it.
> So this brings me to my two problems...
>
> A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
jeep,
> pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
up with
> the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
wheel
> broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
I fix
> it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
caster
> wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
this "jepper" was
> part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
Saturday.. Call
> me, I would really like to talk to you.
> But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
of times,
> when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
in. Hey
> thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
get
> excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
will
> continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
as long as
> they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
please put
> it back they way you found it.
>
> Best Regards
>
> John K
56863 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:41pm
Subject: Re: FW: FW: [azdd] Re: Fire started by offroader
from Stu "The Spin Doctor" Olson...... :-)
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
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56864 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:39pm
Subject: Fire on the Fort McDowell Rez
Left school a little bit ago and spotted a good sized brush fire going
near Alma School and McDowell Rds. Might be a little stinky out that way
in the morning.
Linda
56865 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one come
all and join us!
Jason
--- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like
to
> go!
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> >
> > \/\/est Siders
> >
> > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
> > sandwich or sub shop??
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > >
> > >
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> > >
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56866 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
actually, it was a woman and her husband.....he stayed with the vehicle and she took off to find a location where her cell phone would work.......then the battery in the phone died and she got lost.......I saw the complete interview with her tonite on the 10pm news.....they never did say if they found her husband.......
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56867 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I noticed that also on the other channels (a good thing)....hopefully not many watch channel 5.....they just aired the interview with the woman and she talked about how they ran out of gas 3 days ago and she left her husband with the vehicle....
TJ Gill
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327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
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56868 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:17am
Subject: Protecting US Forests by Burning Them
"Protecting" US Forests by Burning Them
By Alan Caruba
Published 06. 19. 02
Dramatic video of the loss of a fire-fighting airplane has driven
home the danger that forest fires represent. In California, Colorado,
and other States, homeowners are seeing them go up in flames as the
beginning of yet another spate of cataclysmic forest fires occurs
again. The reason the US is experiencing these fires can be found in
the policies of environmental groups crying out to
protect "wilderness" and its own Forest Service that is carrying out
an environmental agenda.
You protect forests by providing for their proper management and that
means timber companies have to come in and thin the old and diseased
trees. Overgrown brush has to be removed as well. The US timber
industry has been systematically attacked by environmentalists for
decades in the name of "protecting" our forests. Remember
the "Spotted Owl" hoax that claimed they were "endangered" and, in
the process, led to vast acres of Northwest forests being put off
limits to any use?
They are still at it. The US Public Interest Research Group, a Ralph
Nader organization, along with the Southern Appalachian Forest
Coalition, and the Sierra Club are demanding that the Bush
administration "keep its word to protect 58.8 million acres of
national forest lands." They are pushing hard for legislation that
codifies the "Roadless Area Conservation Rule" which they describe
as "one of the most sweeping land conservation measures in decades."
It is a completely idiotic proposal. It is criminally stupid. You
cannot fight forest fires if there are no roads with which to reach
the areas going up in smoke. "Conservation", however, in Green-Talk
means putting land aside so that no one can use it for any reason.
The Federal District Court in Idaho has placed an injunction on the
implementation of this "roadless" rule that was developed in secret
by the Clinton administration and the Heritage Forests Campaign to
deny access to 58 million acres of forestland that is the property of
all Americans. On June 5th, forty-four members of the House of
Representatives wrote to President Bush urging him to resist any
effort to enact the "roadless" rule.
Americans have been led to believe we are losing all our forests at a
time when many forests are expanding. The United States is still home
to 70% of the forestland that was here in 1600, fully 747 million
acres! Of these, 247 million acres (33.5%) are reserved from harvest
by law or represent slow-growing woodlands unsuitable for timber
productions.
There are 490 million acres called timberlands, forests that can
produce more than 20 cubic feet of wood per acre annually. The total
amount of large-tree standing timber in the US has increased by 30%
since 1950. US forestlands covered 732 million acres in 1920; today
they cover 747 million acres.
The Greens, however, have set about finding ways to put these
productive and incredibly valuable forestlands aside so that neither
the timber industry, nor anyone else can use them. This explains why
the cost of building a new home or making an addition to an existing
one has risen by an average of anywhere between a thousand and five
thousand dollars. It's not that we don't have the wood! It's that the
Greens will not let the timber industry access it. It is nuts that
the US is actually importing wood from Canada!
"Preserving and protecting our national forests for future
generations must remain a priority," said Tennessee Congressman Bob
Clement," as he sought support for the "roadless" legislation. Give
me a break. We've got tons of national forests. In fact, our national
forests were set aside with language that specifically made it clear
that they were for the benefit of Americans, including their full use
for recreation and for timber. This is just another Green plot to
deny Americans access to and use of their natural wonders and natural
resources.
If this "roadless" idiocy doesn't get the job done for the Greens,
there's always the "Heritage Areas Act", (H.R. 2388) an equally
hideous piece of legislation that was just voted out of the House
Resources Committee. It would simplify the process for
establishing "Heritage Areas" which is the federal government's way
of grabbing more and more land while denying Americans access to it.
The Greens would turn the whole nation into a picture postcard to
look at, but a place where no one can use to fish, hunt, camp, hike,
visit with a snowmobile or off-track vehicle of any kind.
What you are never told is that half the land of the twelve
westernmost States is actually owned by the Federal government.
Federal lands comprise 86% of Nevada, 68% of Alaska, 64% of Utah, and
44% of California. The big lie is that "urban sprawl" is destroying
the wilderness, but the total amount of land of US cities, suburbs,
highways, bridges and other structures adds up to a paltry 3% of the
entire landmass.
Meanwhile, one day you will wake up and find that your home, farm or
business is now in a newly declared "Heritage Area" nobody bothered
to tell you about. Then the government takes it away from you because
it's ruining the view.
This nation, this America, is being stolen from us, acre by acre, as
part of the Green agenda and because there are legislators who want
to add to the 40% of the nation already owned by the Federal
government. You want to visit a place where the government owns all
the land? Visit Cuba, Vietnam or Red China.
© 2002 SierraTimes.com & Alan Caruba
Alan Caruba is the founder of The National Anxiety Center, a
clearinghouse for information about media-driven scare campaigns. The
Center maintains an Internet site at www.anxietycenter.com. where he
writes a weekly column, "Warning Signs".
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/06/19/ar-alcaruba.htm
-----------------------------------------
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http://www.crowley-offroad.com/protest_rally.htm
56869 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:29am
Subject: FS- Teraflex F+R ADJ UCA's, belly-up
Front ADJ UCA's- Been on less than 3 months, perfect condition 150$
Rear ADJ UCA's- Same as above 150$
Belly- Up- Not a scratch on it. Been on less than 3 months
225+
Mike
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56870 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 2:37am
Subject: Re: [FS] Tires & Wheels
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Do you still have them?, Are they P235 or LT235? - Jose
56871 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:19am
Subject: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
56872 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:46am
Subject: RE: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
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56873 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:10am
Subject: RE: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
LOL,,,, 60 miles already. ok,,, So how do I get that 1/4 adjustment. One full turn is too much
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:46 AM
To: 'David Withers'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
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56874 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:32am
Subject: RE: Re: engine storage
In Panama, things would rust rather quickly. I stored an engine block
for a few months by putting a light coat of white grease on all of the
machined areas (head surface, cylinder walls, bearing journals, etc...)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...> wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and
have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to
tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in
the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think
you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
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56875 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:36am
Subject: Re: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
How about a half turn?
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: David Withers
To: arizonajeep@cox.net ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
LOL,,,, 60 miles already. ok,,, So how do I get that 1/4 adjustment. One full turn is too much
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:46 AM
To: 'David Withers'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
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56876 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:40am
Subject: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Just in case you don't think people watch us.
-----Original Message-----
From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
To: Webmaster@A...
Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee with
a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to see
what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle were.
I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
promote respect for the highways and trails.
Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I write
this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned so
far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
some four wheeling IDIOT.
I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid further
embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what happens
to innocent people.
Sincerely,
The Watchdog
56852 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:12pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play spot".
> Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles looked
> like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry but
> DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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56853 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:15pm
Subject: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Tell that to my good friend who is probably going to lose his
retirement home in Pinedale (or maybe already has), or my father who
sits on an Army base in New Jersey while his cabin he spent his life
saving for and building and that HE planned to retire on in two months
and his property are probably going up tonight along with some of MY
personal property all because someone lit a fire and LEFT it. I am
appaled I am personally impacted and personally angry so anyone who
thinks I am *****ing can just walk a mile in my shoes......
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DougB" <azjeep@c...> wrote:
> IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
> credible.
>
> HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt,
and
> should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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56854 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:17pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I don't know that area very well... But... _IF_ this were the case... Me
out with a buddy all alone and it would take 2 days of walking with no water
food, or sun protection... And I saw a helicopter flying above... I sure as
hell would light a fire as well... but would also make sure that I took the
following precautions.. (for those of you who don't know how to make a
proper "safe fire".
1) have rocks stacked in a round circle "containing" the fire
2) clear all debris and shrubs within 10-15' of the fire
3) have something to extinguish the fire (in this case the extinguisher
would be on board the helicopter)
4) make sure it was completely out after I drew attention to myself
Now, im sure many of you would disagree with me making a fire... BUT, if I
was stuck, and had no other way of getting out of there without getting
horribly dehydrated... then out come the sparks.
Now, if those ladies were 2 or 3 miles from the road, and could have walked
in a couple hours time to get help... Then I would call them idiots... And
it would just go to show how lazy our society has become.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@c...>
To: <parajeeper02@y...>; "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>;
<az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:56 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
> credible.
>
> HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt, and
> should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
>
> Doug
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > people who know of a spot
> > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > offroading of any
> > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > right, and im not saying
> > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > to know everything about
> > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > closures...
> > >
> > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > the sour apples in the
> > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > like "that person
> > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > those of you who seem to
> > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > right to descriminate
> > > towards un-educated people....
> > >
> > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > people offroading in closed
> > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > and getting the word out
> > > to the "un-educated".
> > >
> > > My 2 cents worth.
> > >
> > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > -----------------------
> > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > HELL were they
> > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > clean the gene pool
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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56855 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:20pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Local news just indicated they were hikers.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play
spot".
> > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles
looked
> > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry
but
> > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > offroading of any
> > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > to know everything about
> > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > closures...
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > like "that person
> > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > right to descriminate
> > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > >
> > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > and getting the word out
> > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > -----------------------
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> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > Heber
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > HELL were they
> > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
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56856 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
Ill 2nd that.... If you need my help call me... I wouldnt mind doing some
work, and maybe getting some lunch afterwards?
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:13 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
> John,
>
> Like your mother probably told you: "If you want anything done
> right, do it yourself." Unfortunately, this is too often the case.
> Sorry to hear that your generosity has been taken advantage of. If
> it is something that could be fixed relatively easily, give me a call
> tomorrow at 602.321.6342 and I will come by and fix it. I have
> allllllllll day open! If it needs to be welded, though, well, umm,
> that isn't something that I can do. But I would help you move it,
> yank on it, pull, push, and help to whatever ability I have. And
> thank you for still being cool enough to leave it out there. While
> the only time I've ever run up it was at the last bbq, I think it's
> cool that it's there if I wanted to check my brake line length
> whenever I needed to, etc...
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
> In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> > As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
> my RTI
> > ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
> thats why
> > I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
> it
> > outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
> one spot too
> > long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> > So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
> Of course
> > you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
> your done,
> > put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
> ramp, I dont
> > have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
> Agian, I
> > could care less, have at it.
> > So this brings me to my two problems...
> >
> > A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
> jeep,
> > pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
> up with
> > the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
> wheel
> > broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
> I fix
> > it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
> caster
> > wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
> this "jepper" was
> > part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
> Saturday.. Call
> > me, I would really like to talk to you.
> > But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
> of times,
> > when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
> in. Hey
> > thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> > I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
> get
> > excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
> will
> > continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
> as long as
> > they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
> please put
> > it back they way you found it.
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> > John K
>
>
>
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56857 From: Sandee McCullen <mccullen@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:30pm
Subject: RE: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
yes you are............. you forget we female species have veeeeeery long,
accurate memories!..... It WILL come back to bite you. Now having to
"admit" it was women that could be so stupid and unthinking as to "start a
signal fire" should be executed or locked away or sent to Afganistan.
Actually I know some BLM Land Managers that would do well in Afganistan....
maybe????
Want to take three guesses "who" started the NM "control burn" a couple of
years ago??? How about the Alaska burn a couple of months ago????........
both by certified "fire" Forest Service personnel... that's even scarier.
<grin> Sandee
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris benner
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my
> "play spot".
> > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their
> vehicles looked
> > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol..
> Sorry but
> > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > offroading of any
> > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > to know everything about
> > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > closures...
> > > >
> > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > like "that person
> > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > right to descriminate
> > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > >
> > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > and getting the word out
> > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > >
> > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > >
> > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > -----------------------
> > > > My Jeep Pictures -
> > > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > Heber
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > HELL were they
> > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > > clean the gene pool
> > > > >
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56858 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:46pm
Subject: Senator Kyle blasts Environmentalist on KFYI
I was listening to KFYI today and they had Senator John Kyle on the air
discussing the fire situation. The host kept pushing Senator Kyle about if
Kyle would get more funding for the FS. Senator Kyle repeated, at least
three times, if the environmentalist wouldn't take all the Forrest Service's
policies to court, there would be more than enough money in the FS budget to
deal with things. He went on to say, that these people are the reason why
the fires were so big, because of thinning, or lack there of, they
environmentalist are holding back in court.
It was a good to hear.
--James
56859 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
uh oh!! I know im in for it when Momma Sandee come out to get me! :) Your
right with the good memories... My mom always pulls 19 years of embarassing
moments out on me when she wants to retaliate!
BTW: Would those BLM Managers you know survive in afganie because they can
be heartless, crule and unfogiving jeep-eaters? Or because they know how to
light fires and would burn down the country without using more than 1 gal of
gasoline and a letter? *ouch!*
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sandee McCullen" <mccullen@c...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Chris
benner" <offroadfun@t...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:30 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> yes you are............. you forget we female species have veeeeeery
long,
> accurate memories!..... It WILL come back to bite you. Now having to
> "admit" it was women that could be so stupid and unthinking as to "start a
> signal fire" should be executed or locked away or sent to Afganistan.
> Actually I know some BLM Land Managers that would do well in
Afganistan....
> maybe????
>
> Want to take three guesses "who" started the NM "control burn" a couple of
> years ago??? How about the Alaska burn a couple of months ago????........
> both by certified "fire" Forest Service personnel... that's even scarier.
> <grin> Sandee
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Nick Gasmena [mailto:NickG@4...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 9:12 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; Chris benner
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > Remember.... They are women!!! heheh :) (man im in for it now!)
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chris benner" <offroadfun@t...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:53 PM
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> >
> >
> > > your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my
> > "play spot".
> > > Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their
> > vehicles looked
> > > like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol..
> > Sorry but
> > > DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> > >
> > >
> > > > I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> > > > someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> > > > fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> > > > middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> > > > LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> > > > I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> > > > leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> > > > know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> > > > fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> > > > is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > > > > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > > > > vjc list a lot... Many
> > > > > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > > > > people who know of a spot
> > > > > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > > > > offroading of any
> > > > > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > > > > right, and im not saying
> > > > > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > > > > to know everything about
> > > > > land closures... Back when i first started
> > > > > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > > > > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > > > > closures...
> > > > >
> > > > > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > > > > the sour apples in the
> > > > > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > > > > like "that person
> > > > > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > > > > those of you who seem to
> > > > > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > > > > right to descriminate
> > > > > towards un-educated people....
> > > > >
> > > > > If you want to do something about all of these
> > > > > people offroading in closed
> > > > > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > > > > and getting the word out
> > > > > to the "un-educated".
> > > > >
> > > > > My 2 cents worth.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > > > > -----------------------
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> > > > > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > > > > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > > > > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > > > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > > > > Heber
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > > > > HELL were they
> > > > > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > > > > clean the gene pool
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56860 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:03pm
Subject: RE: John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
I understand your frustration. I have an idea for you. And I will be more then happy to help you. Let's design a way to put a couple of fold down wheels. Somewhere near the center to balance it. and also maybe add a tow bar so you can transport it a distance if needed. I think if enough of your friends put in it will cover your cost. I got your first 5 bucks to go to materials for you.
Joey K.
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:03 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
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56861 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:04pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
It would be cool to add a tow bar, but if you do make it removable so there will be less liability for it to get stolen.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4x4jeep.net
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----- Original Message -----
From: DesertJeep
To: hunteroffroad@aol.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 10:03 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
I understand your frustration. I have an idea for you. And I will be more then happy to help you. Let's design a way to put a couple of fold down wheels. Somewhere near the center to balance it. and also maybe add a tow bar so you can transport it a distance if needed. I think if enough of your friends put in it will cover your cost. I got your first 5 bucks to go to materials for you.
Joey K.
93YJ
-----Original Message-----
From: hunteroffroad@aol.com [mailto:hunteroffroad@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 8:03 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
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56862 From: trmn8rjn98 <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:18pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
That sucks. How about designing a set of wheels on springs kinda like
a rolling ladder? light spring rate just enough to lift the ramp but
when someone drives up it it bottoms out on the bottom of the ramp?
Just a thought.
Or maybe something like at fourwheelers? so it can be towed.
John
Hey if you want to set up a pay pal account (free) I would donate
$5.00 to the fix the ramp fund for repairs & mods & maintence.
--- In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
my RTI
> ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
thats why
> I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
it
> outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
one spot too
> long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
Of course
> you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
your done,
> put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
ramp, I dont
> have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
Agian, I
> could care less, have at it.
> So this brings me to my two problems...
>
> A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
jeep,
> pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
up with
> the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
wheel
> broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
I fix
> it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
caster
> wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
this "jepper" was
> part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
Saturday.. Call
> me, I would really like to talk to you.
> But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
of times,
> when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
in. Hey
> thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
get
> excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
will
> continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
as long as
> they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
please put
> it back they way you found it.
>
> Best Regards
>
> John K
56863 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:41pm
Subject: Re: FW: FW: [azdd] Re: Fire started by offroader
from Stu "The Spin Doctor" Olson...... :-)
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56864 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:39pm
Subject: Fire on the Fort McDowell Rez
Left school a little bit ago and spotted a good sized brush fire going
near Alma School and McDowell Rds. Might be a little stinky out that way
in the morning.
Linda
56865 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:46pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Well Joey and I are meeting for lunch tomorrow at noon. Come one come
all and join us!
Jason
--- In az_vjc@y..., "robert_j_rogers" <robert.rogers@h...> wrote:
> Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like
to
> go!
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
> >
> > \/\/est Siders
> >
> > Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
> > sandwich or sub shop??
> >
> > Joey K
> > 93YJ
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> > >
> > >
> > > ?????????????????????????????????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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56866 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 10:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
actually, it was a woman and her husband.....he stayed with the vehicle and she took off to find a location where her cell phone would work.......then the battery in the phone died and she got lost.......I saw the complete interview with her tonite on the 10pm news.....they never did say if they found her husband.......
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56867 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 11:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I noticed that also on the other channels (a good thing)....hopefully not many watch channel 5.....they just aired the interview with the woman and she talked about how they ran out of gas 3 days ago and she left her husband with the vehicle....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56868 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:17am
Subject: Protecting US Forests by Burning Them
"Protecting" US Forests by Burning Them
By Alan Caruba
Published 06. 19. 02
Dramatic video of the loss of a fire-fighting airplane has driven
home the danger that forest fires represent. In California, Colorado,
and other States, homeowners are seeing them go up in flames as the
beginning of yet another spate of cataclysmic forest fires occurs
again. The reason the US is experiencing these fires can be found in
the policies of environmental groups crying out to
protect "wilderness" and its own Forest Service that is carrying out
an environmental agenda.
You protect forests by providing for their proper management and that
means timber companies have to come in and thin the old and diseased
trees. Overgrown brush has to be removed as well. The US timber
industry has been systematically attacked by environmentalists for
decades in the name of "protecting" our forests. Remember
the "Spotted Owl" hoax that claimed they were "endangered" and, in
the process, led to vast acres of Northwest forests being put off
limits to any use?
They are still at it. The US Public Interest Research Group, a Ralph
Nader organization, along with the Southern Appalachian Forest
Coalition, and the Sierra Club are demanding that the Bush
administration "keep its word to protect 58.8 million acres of
national forest lands." They are pushing hard for legislation that
codifies the "Roadless Area Conservation Rule" which they describe
as "one of the most sweeping land conservation measures in decades."
It is a completely idiotic proposal. It is criminally stupid. You
cannot fight forest fires if there are no roads with which to reach
the areas going up in smoke. "Conservation", however, in Green-Talk
means putting land aside so that no one can use it for any reason.
The Federal District Court in Idaho has placed an injunction on the
implementation of this "roadless" rule that was developed in secret
by the Clinton administration and the Heritage Forests Campaign to
deny access to 58 million acres of forestland that is the property of
all Americans. On June 5th, forty-four members of the House of
Representatives wrote to President Bush urging him to resist any
effort to enact the "roadless" rule.
Americans have been led to believe we are losing all our forests at a
time when many forests are expanding. The United States is still home
to 70% of the forestland that was here in 1600, fully 747 million
acres! Of these, 247 million acres (33.5%) are reserved from harvest
by law or represent slow-growing woodlands unsuitable for timber
productions.
There are 490 million acres called timberlands, forests that can
produce more than 20 cubic feet of wood per acre annually. The total
amount of large-tree standing timber in the US has increased by 30%
since 1950. US forestlands covered 732 million acres in 1920; today
they cover 747 million acres.
The Greens, however, have set about finding ways to put these
productive and incredibly valuable forestlands aside so that neither
the timber industry, nor anyone else can use them. This explains why
the cost of building a new home or making an addition to an existing
one has risen by an average of anywhere between a thousand and five
thousand dollars. It's not that we don't have the wood! It's that the
Greens will not let the timber industry access it. It is nuts that
the US is actually importing wood from Canada!
"Preserving and protecting our national forests for future
generations must remain a priority," said Tennessee Congressman Bob
Clement," as he sought support for the "roadless" legislation. Give
me a break. We've got tons of national forests. In fact, our national
forests were set aside with language that specifically made it clear
that they were for the benefit of Americans, including their full use
for recreation and for timber. This is just another Green plot to
deny Americans access to and use of their natural wonders and natural
resources.
If this "roadless" idiocy doesn't get the job done for the Greens,
there's always the "Heritage Areas Act", (H.R. 2388) an equally
hideous piece of legislation that was just voted out of the House
Resources Committee. It would simplify the process for
establishing "Heritage Areas" which is the federal government's way
of grabbing more and more land while denying Americans access to it.
The Greens would turn the whole nation into a picture postcard to
look at, but a place where no one can use to fish, hunt, camp, hike,
visit with a snowmobile or off-track vehicle of any kind.
What you are never told is that half the land of the twelve
westernmost States is actually owned by the Federal government.
Federal lands comprise 86% of Nevada, 68% of Alaska, 64% of Utah, and
44% of California. The big lie is that "urban sprawl" is destroying
the wilderness, but the total amount of land of US cities, suburbs,
highways, bridges and other structures adds up to a paltry 3% of the
entire landmass.
Meanwhile, one day you will wake up and find that your home, farm or
business is now in a newly declared "Heritage Area" nobody bothered
to tell you about. Then the government takes it away from you because
it's ruining the view.
This nation, this America, is being stolen from us, acre by acre, as
part of the Green agenda and because there are legislators who want
to add to the 40% of the nation already owned by the Federal
government. You want to visit a place where the government owns all
the land? Visit Cuba, Vietnam or Red China.
© 2002 SierraTimes.com & Alan Caruba
Alan Caruba is the founder of The National Anxiety Center, a
clearinghouse for information about media-driven scare campaigns. The
Center maintains an Internet site at www.anxietycenter.com. where he
writes a weekly column, "Warning Signs".
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/06/19/ar-alcaruba.htm
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56869 From: Mike Beach <mikebeach2002@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 0:29am
Subject: FS- Teraflex F+R ADJ UCA's, belly-up
Front ADJ UCA's- Been on less than 3 months, perfect condition 150$
Rear ADJ UCA's- Same as above 150$
Belly- Up- Not a scratch on it. Been on less than 3 months
225+
Mike
602-405-4606
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56870 From: zj_lopez <off-road@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 2:37am
Subject: Re: [FS] Tires & Wheels
--- In az_vjc@y..., AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...> wrote:
> Do you still have them?, Are they P235 or LT235? - Jose
56871 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:19am
Subject: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
56872 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 5:46am
Subject: RE: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
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56873 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:10am
Subject: RE: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
LOL,,,, 60 miles already. ok,,, So how do I get that 1/4 adjustment. One full turn is too much
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:46 AM
To: 'David Withers'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
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56874 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:32am
Subject: RE: Re: engine storage
In Panama, things would rust rather quickly. I stored an engine block
for a few months by putting a light coat of white grease on all of the
machined areas (head surface, cylinder walls, bearing journals, etc...)
--- In az_vjc@y..., "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...> wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and
have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to
tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in
the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think
you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
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56875 From: Halverson <byrnec@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:36am
Subject: Re: I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
How about a half turn?
John Halverson
'99TJ
'51CJ3A
----- Original Message -----
From: David Withers
To: arizonajeep@cox.net ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 6:10 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
LOL,,,, 60 miles already. ok,,, So how do I get that 1/4 adjustment. One full turn is too much
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:46 AM
To: 'David Withers'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
David,
1/16 or 1/8 would be better. 1/4" is a little too much... I wouldn't recommend driving it too much before you get it to Flexy Joe.
Joe
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@atstraffic.com]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 5:19 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] I just did a simple alignment on my jeep till I can get in in to flexy, is it toe in or out
I set it about 1/4" toe in
David R. W. Withers
Desk: 480.551.4667
Mobile: 480.215.6992
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56876 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 21, 2002 6:40am
Subject: FW: Message Sent To The AZVJC Web Site
Just in case you don't think people watch us.
-----Original Message-----
From: [E-Mail Address Removed]
Sent: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:36 AM
To: Webmaster@A...
Subject: AZVJC%20Web%20Site
While driving on the freeway today I noticed a red Jeep Grand Cherokee with
a lift kit and oversized tires, license plate 524-GLJ. I Thought it was a
pretty cool looking vehicle and I was admiring it until the PIG driving it
through a cigarette butt out of thewindow. I maneuvered close enough to see
what all of the decals plastered on the sides and rear of the vehicle were.
I was shocked to see that he was a member of an organization that should
promote respect for the highways and trails.
Has anyone noticed that we are in a red alert drought situation. As I write
this e-mail there are 8,000 people evacuated from their homes in the White
Mountains because of stupid idiots that are careless. 80,000 acres burned so
far from some DUNCE on the Indian reservation and 15,000 acres, started by
some four wheeling IDIOT.
I don't know if you know who the person is that I saw on the freeway, but
you might consider peeling those decals off of his vehicle to avoid further
embarrassment to your club. Try watching the news on TV and see what happens
to innocent people.
Sincerely,
The Watchdog