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56827 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Question on upgrades to stock ZJ
If you think you may go higher in the near future don't buy tires yet. They
are the most expensive mod. I have a 98ZJ and it all started with a 2"
BB...then came Up Country springs and BB, then a 3.5" lift...then back came
the 2" BB on top of the lift, so I am at 5.5" now. Who knows how long I can
leave the height alone. How often, and what kind of trails will you want to
run?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question on upgrades to stock ZJ
> As of today my 95-ZJ is stock. I'm adding a budget two-inch lift
> kit tomorrow and have a set of LT235/75/15 tires (29") so, what would
> you guys and gals do next?, Lockers, bigger tires, transfer case,
> axles, etc?.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting on a pile of cash nor do
> I have a rich benefactor to finance me, one can only dream, it's
> just a kind of "poll" so I can plan future upgrades and look
> for deals on them.
>
> Thanks
> Jose
>
>
>
>
>
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:18pm
Subject: Is this a good deal? (the $500 one...)
Five hundy for an axle with rotors and calipers is kind of steep. I think I am going to the pick-a-part this weekend...
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56829 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Re: Wanted-Used TJ
I went with my son looking last month for a used TJ. The Dealers are nuts,
they want way to much money. We found a stock 1998 Sahara with 68,000 miles,
in excellent condition, from a private party for $11,000. go to
www.autotrader.com
"Ask the Lord for guidance but remember, he don't do no milkin' or plowin'."
Subject: [az_vjc] Wanted-Used TJ
My roommate is looking for a used TJ. He would like a lift and non-
stock tires on it already. Where is the best place to look, around
Phoenix (dealerships) and on internet? Anybody know anybody that is
selling?
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56830 From: parbetter1 <parbetter1@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:39pm
Subject: Need help - speed sensor for TJ
I need to borrow someones Tj speed sensor for a trip around the
block, to trouble shoot my speedometer problem. It will take less
than five minutes total and I will remove and replace borrowed
part. I live near 43rd avenue and Union Hills. If you can help,
please call me 623-434-7131.....thanks Bill
56831 From: <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:54pm
Subject: Lost woman sets signal fire in woods; blaze continues to grow
56832 From: pixelsinmotion <pixelsinmotion@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
?????????????????????????????????
56833 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: engine storage
I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT
Gilbert, Arizona
Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
56834 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: [FS] JEEP ROCK BUMPERS
Price: 650.00 for the pair
Contact: greg at thorrdog@qwest.net or call 480-814-0160
Jeep rock bumpers will fit YJ/TJ the rear has a swingout tire carrier 2 inch receiver with two welded cleves tabs the front also has two welded clevis tabs if you want to see them I can e-mail you pictures.
Greg Gallagher
56835 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot... Many
people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know of a spot
to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not saying
it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know everything about
land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt affiliate
myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour apples in the
group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that person
should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who seem to
know everything, and seem to think you have the right to descriminate
towards un-educated people....
If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in closed
areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the word out
to the "un-educated".
My 2 cents worth.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene pool
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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56836 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Nick,
You have a point. I had lunch with an old friend of mine today who is an avid outdoorsman and hunter, even holds a Boone and Crocket record for Elk. As we talked about many things the conversation came around to different areas of the state to explore and hunt in. I mentioned the closure of state land and he just looked at me bewildered. He had no idea. So what you say is true. Being part of an "organized group" like the VJC does make one more in touch with what is happening.
Regards,
John Butler
56837 From: AzVJC Website <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: [FS] New Black TJ Hardtop
Price: $1000 OBO
Contact: John Butler Cell: (602) 618-1424
Brand new black hardtop off of a 2002 TJ. Tinted windows, defroster and rear wiper.
John Butler
56838 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:34pm
Subject: RE: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
\/\/est Siders
Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
sandwich or sub shop??
Joey K
93YJ
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> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
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>
> ?????????????????????????????????
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56839 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
--- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> vjc list a lot... Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> people who know of a spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> right, and im not saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> to know everything about
> land closures... Back when i first started
> offroading and didnt affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> the sour apples in the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> like "that person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> those of you who seem to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the
> right to descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these
> people offroading in closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> and getting the word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures -
> http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> Heber
>
>
> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> clean the gene pool
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
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56840 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: KTM TAKES STAND AGAINST ECONAZIS
FULLERTON, CA - July 31, 2001
In what ORBA founding member Roy Denner proclaimed as a "history-
making event", KTM became the first major manufacturer to publicly
support an off road organization by joining the Off Road Business
Association.
Yes, there have been other off road-related manufacturers that have
supported the off road community in the past, but it has always been
a "we support you, but don't let the environmentalists know"
approach. Most organizations fear the eco-nazis and the supposed
power they possess.
KTM has decided that the time is now to stand up to the greenies and
their attempts to close off public land to off roaders. They
understand that without access to public lands, there will be no one
to buy motorcycles, ATV's and even mountain bikes. Yes, mountain
bikes - The eco-freaks don't what you "peddle pushers" out there
either.
Scot Harden, KTM's Vice President of Marketing and Communications,
said "We need to dig into our pockets and support ORBA". Scot's
concern is that unless we act now, there will be nowhere to ride for
his kids.
After attending a previous ORBA meeting and looking further into the
organization, KTM decided that "ORBA is focused" and, as he addressed
the meeting of business owners, urged the potential new members
to "join, join, join".
Personally, I'd like to see a coalition of OHV users, mountain
bikers, hikers and campers join together and keep public lands open
for everyone. We can all co-exist in the great outdoors - as much as
the greenies would like you to think that we can't.
The first speaker at the latest ORBA meeting was David Hubbard,
ORBA's lead counsel in the fight against extreme
environmentalism. "Plants and animals have been pushed to the
forefront (of the public land battle) to shield what is really going
on - the environmentalists what people out - period.", he said.
He went on to say that there are plans to file suit against the BLM
for not following NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act). The BLM
was supposed to provide an Environmental Assessment - which they
failed to do when they closed the Glamis Dunes. The BLM also cannot
go behind closed doors with the CBD (Center for Biological-Diversity)
and arbitrarily close public lands - the BLM is required to hold
pubic hearings - something they apparently have a hard time doing.
David went on to explain how the legal process works when a lawsuit
is filed. First a hearing is set to discuss the lawsuit and the judge
gets the issues on the table. If there is no possibility of a
settlement, a trial date is scheduled.
David is optimistic of a positive outcome from ORBA lawsuits because
the CBD will have difficulty in explaining away the data that ORBA
lawyers have. Plus, the stance that the BLM is taking runs counter to
their data - "it's going to be messy", David said.
During a Q & A segment, the following questions were asked of David
Hubbard:
Question -
"How do ORBA, SDORC, ASA and others work, without being just another
organization that wants money?"
DH -
There is good communication between the above mentioned organizations
with very little, if any, duplicate work. Results should begin to
show up within a year. The more these organizations band together,
the stronger they'll be and the more effective they'll become.
Question -
Do we recoup attorneys fees if we win a lawsuit against the
government?
DH -
The National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) does not have a
provision to include attorneys fees. The Endangered Species Act (ESA)
does allow for attorney's fees to be paid in prevailing lawsuits.
The next speaker was Pete Conaty, one of ORBA's lobbyists in
Sacramento. Pete spent 21 years in the Army and has spent the last
three years lobbying for the off road community. He explained to the
40-plus business owner in attendance that lawsuits are just one part
of the environmentalists industry - and they have the financial
resources to support them. In 1999, enviro groups had more than 3.5
billion dollars at their disposal.
From our standpoint here at Off-Road.com, the entry of a company the
size and influence of KTM into ORBA marks a watershed event in the
annals of OHV history. Many of the newer OHV enthusiasts, and even
some of the old, remain unaware of some of the trials and
tribulations fought by a mere handful of men during the late 70's and
early 80's that received no support whatsoever from any of
the "major" companies who profited extensively from the "dirt bike"
and "4x4" craze.
Rick Sieman (then-editor of "Dirt bike" magazine) and Louis MeKey
(the "Phantom Duck of the Desert") waged a virtual war against the
seemingly unlimited budget of the Sierra Club and the nearly
limitless power of the federal government. Aside from some small
financial help, mostly from the industry's smaller companies, these
men took on the green juggernaut of the day. And at great cost to
themselves personally, financially, and to their families.
When Sieman approached the Motorcycle Industry Council armed with the
facts and requesting their assistance both financially and as a voice
of the industry, the literally closed their doors in his face.
Excuses varied, but the bottom line is that while they were willing
to profit from their victories, they were unwilling to share in their
losses.
That's a situation that we feel is about to change, thanks to the
leadership shown by KTM and their willingness to stand up to the
forces of environmentalism gone awry. There's a new smell in the air
these days. Groups like the ASA and Blue ribbon Coalition have become
more vocal in their opposition to the greens. Groups like ORBA have
formed to lead the industry charge against the loss of our land and
in fact, our very rights.
While we cannot in good conscience tell you whose products to buy, we
will say this - As a community, we need to put our buying dollars
behind the businesses who are willing to stand with us against the
greens, rather than simply profit from us until all our recreational
opportunities are taken away. Thanks to ORBA, we now have a "buyers
guide" of sorts, if you will, for the companies who put out
outstanding products and aren't too "politically correct" or too "PR
myopic" to give some of that money and support back to the community
as a whole.
Visit ORBA's new web site and get a list of their members - companies
that are supporting the fight against land closures - at last count
there were more than 70 campanies on board.
These companies understand that this is a long-term fight and they
have dedicated their time and money in support of this cause. What
are you waiting for?
Remember it's not just about money. It's about integrity. And that's
something that the members of ORBA are showing in abundance.
56841 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I agree.....I knew nothing of needing a STL permit or where the STL lands
were. My family has been going, unknowingly, on STL land for years and knew
nothing about it being illegal.......until I joined this group of know it
alls.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot... Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know of a
spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know everything
about
> land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour apples in
the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who seem
to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the right to descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
>
> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene pool
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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56842 From: Chris benner <offroadfun@t...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play spot".
Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles looked
like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry but
DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
>
>
>
> --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > vjc list a lot... Many
> > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > people who know of a spot
> > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > offroading of any
> > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > right, and im not saying
> > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > to know everything about
> > land closures... Back when i first started
> > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > closures...
> >
> > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > the sour apples in the
> > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > like "that person
> > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > those of you who seem to
> > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > right to descriminate
> > towards un-educated people....
> >
> > If you want to do something about all of these
> > people offroading in closed
> > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > and getting the word out
> > to the "un-educated".
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures -
> > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > Heber
> >
> >
> > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > HELL were they
> > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > clean the gene pool
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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>
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56843 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
credible.
HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt, and
should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
>
>
>
> --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > vjc list a lot... Many
> > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > people who know of a spot
> > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > offroading of any
> > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > right, and im not saying
> > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > to know everything about
> > land closures... Back when i first started
> > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > closures...
> >
> > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > the sour apples in the
> > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > like "that person
> > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > those of you who seem to
> > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > right to descriminate
> > towards un-educated people....
> >
> > If you want to do something about all of these
> > people offroading in closed
> > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > and getting the word out
> > to the "un-educated".
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures -
> > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > Heber
> >
> >
> > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > HELL were they
> > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > clean the gene pool
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
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>
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56844 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: new house.........need help moving jeep
I am your man. Have superduty, will travel! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "kermitj10" <kermit@e...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] new house.........need help moving jeep
> Hi all
>
> I've been pretty quiet (more like non-existant) on the list lately,
> but hopefully that will soon change. Pam and I closed escrow on our
> new house last Tuesday WOO HOO!! Wrenching parties in my new garage
> will commence soon.
>
> Here's my problem: I need to move the rolling chassis of Pam's CJ5
> from the old house to the new one. I was going to rent a UHaul
> trailer and drag it over with my truck, but I'm having electrical
> problems and won't be able to tow a trailer with my truck until I re-
> wire the back half. I'm running with one hot-wired brake light right
> now. Is there anybody in the north-west valley that has a truck and
> car hauler that could give me a hand? I'll pay for gas, beer, pizza,
> or whatever. When it gets done is not really important as long as
> it's before the end of the month.
>
> The CJ is at Cave Creek and Thunderbird and needs to go to 75th Ave
> and Olive.
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Len
>
>
>
>
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56845 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:03pm
Subject: John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
56846 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: engine storage
ROFLMAO, rust? Maybe set it in the forest....
Sorry Tom, I am laughing so hard I couldn't resist.
Seriously though I have never stored an enigne for that long.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...> wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and
have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to
tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in
the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think
you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
56847 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: Re: engine storage
Clean it up, spray it down with LPS, spend a few weeks doing this
every day or so to get a good build-up of LPS (quite a few cans
of it) and then wrap it up in rags. This should protect for as
long as you want to store it.
My brother did this with two complete engines, a Boss 429 and a
Boss 351 and they were stored for close to 10 years with no damage.
Ralph
TRobertsRN wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
> together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and have
> hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to tow it
> to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in the back.
> What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think you
> deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service
> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
56848 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like to
go!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
>
> \/\/est Siders
>
> Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
> sandwich or sub shop??
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> >
> >
> > ?????????????????????????????????
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
56849 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: [FS] Tires & Wheels
Price: 200.00 obo
Contact: Moe
Set of 5 Factory Wheels &; Tires, Take-Offs, Brand New. Maybe 20 miles - 5 spoke gray wheels with 235/75/15 Wranglers
56850 From: AzVJC Website <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:39pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep "Gamblers" with 32" BFG Muds $200
Price: $200
Contact: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
This is a set of 4 factory gambler alloys (15x8) with 32x11.50x15 BFG Muds on them. They have around 40% tread on 3 with one that has 70%. The wheels have lots of rock scrapes around them. In Fountain Hills
John
John Norton
56851 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
Like your mother probably told you: "If you want anything done
right, do it yourself." Unfortunately, this is too often the case.
Sorry to hear that your generosity has been taken advantage of. If
it is something that could be fixed relatively easily, give me a call
tomorrow at 602.321.6342 and I will come by and fix it. I have
allllllllll day open! If it needs to be welded, though, well, umm,
that isn't something that I can do. But I would help you move it,
yank on it, pull, push, and help to whatever ability I have. And
thank you for still being cool enough to leave it out there. While
the only time I've ever run up it was at the last bbq, I think it's
cool that it's there if I wanted to check my brake line length
whenever I needed to, etc...
Lachlan MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
my RTI
> ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
thats why
> I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
it
> outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
one spot too
> long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
Of course
> you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
your done,
> put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
ramp, I dont
> have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
Agian, I
> could care less, have at it.
> So this brings me to my two problems...
>
> A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
jeep,
> pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
up with
> the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
wheel
> broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
I fix
> it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
caster
> wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
this "jepper" was
> part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
Saturday.. Call
> me, I would really like to talk to you.
> But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
of times,
> when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
in. Hey
> thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
get
> excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
will
> continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
as long as
> they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
please put
> it back they way you found it.
>
> Best Regards
>
> John K
56827 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Question on upgrades to stock ZJ
If you think you may go higher in the near future don't buy tires yet. They
are the most expensive mod. I have a 98ZJ and it all started with a 2"
BB...then came Up Country springs and BB, then a 3.5" lift...then back came
the 2" BB on top of the lift, so I am at 5.5" now. Who knows how long I can
leave the height alone. How often, and what kind of trails will you want to
run?
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "zj_lopez" <off-road@c...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 2:10 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question on upgrades to stock ZJ
> As of today my 95-ZJ is stock. I'm adding a budget two-inch lift
> kit tomorrow and have a set of LT235/75/15 tires (29") so, what would
> you guys and gals do next?, Lockers, bigger tires, transfer case,
> axles, etc?.
>
> Don't get me wrong, I'm not sitting on a pile of cash nor do
> I have a rich benefactor to finance me, one can only dream, it's
> just a kind of "poll" so I can plan future upgrades and look
> for deals on them.
>
> Thanks
> Jose
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:18pm
Subject: Is this a good deal? (the $500 one...)
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56829 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:37pm
Subject: Re: Wanted-Used TJ
I went with my son looking last month for a used TJ. The Dealers are nuts,
they want way to much money. We found a stock 1998 Sahara with 68,000 miles,
in excellent condition, from a private party for $11,000. go to
www.autotrader.com
"Ask the Lord for guidance but remember, he don't do no milkin' or plowin'."
Subject: [az_vjc] Wanted-Used TJ
My roommate is looking for a used TJ. He would like a lift and non-
stock tires on it already. Where is the best place to look, around
Phoenix (dealerships) and on internet? Anybody know anybody that is
selling?
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56830 From: parbetter1 <parbetter1@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:39pm
Subject: Need help - speed sensor for TJ
I need to borrow someones Tj speed sensor for a trip around the
block, to trouble shoot my speedometer problem. It will take less
than five minutes total and I will remove and replace borrowed
part. I live near 43rd avenue and Union Hills. If you can help,
please call me 623-434-7131.....thanks Bill
56831 From: <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:54pm
Subject: Lost woman sets signal fire in woods; blaze continues to grow
56832 From: pixelsinmotion <pixelsinmotion@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 5:59pm
Subject: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
?????????????????????????????????
56833 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:20pm
Subject: engine storage
I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
Thomas Roberts
78 Cherokee WT
Gilbert, Arizona
Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
56834 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:39pm
Subject: [FS] JEEP ROCK BUMPERS
Price: 650.00 for the pair
Contact: greg at thorrdog@qwest.net or call 480-814-0160
Jeep rock bumpers will fit YJ/TJ the rear has a swingout tire carrier 2 inch receiver with two welded cleves tabs the front also has two welded clevis tabs if you want to see them I can e-mail you pictures.
Greg Gallagher
56835 From: Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 6:45pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot... Many
people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know of a spot
to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not saying
it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know everything about
land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt affiliate
myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour apples in the
group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that person
should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who seem to
know everything, and seem to think you have the right to descriminate
towards un-educated people....
If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in closed
areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the word out
to the "un-educated".
My 2 cents worth.
Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
-----------------------
My Jeep Pictures - http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
----- Original Message -----
From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene pool
>
>
>
>
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56836 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
Nick,
You have a point. I had lunch with an old friend of mine today who is an avid outdoorsman and hunter, even holds a Boone and Crocket record for Elk. As we talked about many things the conversation came around to different areas of the state to explore and hunt in. I mentioned the closure of state land and he just looked at me bewildered. He had no idea. So what you say is true. Being part of an "organized group" like the VJC does make one more in touch with what is happening.
Regards,
John Butler
56837 From: AzVJC Website <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:23pm
Subject: [FS] New Black TJ Hardtop
Price: $1000 OBO
Contact: John Butler Cell: (602) 618-1424
Brand new black hardtop off of a 2002 TJ. Tinted windows, defroster and rear wiper.
John Butler
56838 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:34pm
Subject: RE: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
\/\/est Siders
Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
sandwich or sub shop??
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
>
>
> ?????????????????????????????????
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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56839 From: Eric <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
--- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> vjc list a lot... Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> people who know of a spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> right, and im not saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> to know everything about
> land closures... Back when i first started
> offroading and didnt affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> the sour apples in the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> like "that person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> those of you who seem to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the
> right to descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these
> people offroading in closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> and getting the word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> -----------------------
> My Jeep Pictures -
> http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> Heber
>
>
> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> clean the gene pool
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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56840 From: ezrydr1 <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:41pm
Subject: KTM TAKES STAND AGAINST ECONAZIS
FULLERTON, CA - July 31, 2001
In what ORBA founding member Roy Denner proclaimed as a "history-
making event", KTM became the first major manufacturer to publicly
support an off road organization by joining the Off Road Business
Association.
Yes, there have been other off road-related manufacturers that have
supported the off road community in the past, but it has always been
a "we support you, but don't let the environmentalists know"
approach. Most organizations fear the eco-nazis and the supposed
power they possess.
KTM has decided that the time is now to stand up to the greenies and
their attempts to close off public land to off roaders. They
understand that without access to public lands, there will be no one
to buy motorcycles, ATV's and even mountain bikes. Yes, mountain
bikes - The eco-freaks don't what you "peddle pushers" out there
either.
Scot Harden, KTM's Vice President of Marketing and Communications,
said "We need to dig into our pockets and support ORBA". Scot's
concern is that unless we act now, there will be nowhere to ride for
his kids.
After attending a previous ORBA meeting and looking further into the
organization, KTM decided that "ORBA is focused" and, as he addressed
the meeting of business owners, urged the potential new members
to "join, join, join".
Personally, I'd like to see a coalition of OHV users, mountain
bikers, hikers and campers join together and keep public lands open
for everyone. We can all co-exist in the great outdoors - as much as
the greenies would like you to think that we can't.
The first speaker at the latest ORBA meeting was David Hubbard,
ORBA's lead counsel in the fight against extreme
environmentalism. "Plants and animals have been pushed to the
forefront (of the public land battle) to shield what is really going
on - the environmentalists what people out - period.", he said.
He went on to say that there are plans to file suit against the BLM
for not following NEPA (National Environmental Policy Act). The BLM
was supposed to provide an Environmental Assessment - which they
failed to do when they closed the Glamis Dunes. The BLM also cannot
go behind closed doors with the CBD (Center for Biological-Diversity)
and arbitrarily close public lands - the BLM is required to hold
pubic hearings - something they apparently have a hard time doing.
David went on to explain how the legal process works when a lawsuit
is filed. First a hearing is set to discuss the lawsuit and the judge
gets the issues on the table. If there is no possibility of a
settlement, a trial date is scheduled.
David is optimistic of a positive outcome from ORBA lawsuits because
the CBD will have difficulty in explaining away the data that ORBA
lawyers have. Plus, the stance that the BLM is taking runs counter to
their data - "it's going to be messy", David said.
During a Q & A segment, the following questions were asked of David
Hubbard:
Question -
"How do ORBA, SDORC, ASA and others work, without being just another
organization that wants money?"
DH -
There is good communication between the above mentioned organizations
with very little, if any, duplicate work. Results should begin to
show up within a year. The more these organizations band together,
the stronger they'll be and the more effective they'll become.
Question -
Do we recoup attorneys fees if we win a lawsuit against the
government?
DH -
The National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) does not have a
provision to include attorneys fees. The Endangered Species Act (ESA)
does allow for attorney's fees to be paid in prevailing lawsuits.
The next speaker was Pete Conaty, one of ORBA's lobbyists in
Sacramento. Pete spent 21 years in the Army and has spent the last
three years lobbying for the off road community. He explained to the
40-plus business owner in attendance that lawsuits are just one part
of the environmentalists industry - and they have the financial
resources to support them. In 1999, enviro groups had more than 3.5
billion dollars at their disposal.
From our standpoint here at Off-Road.com, the entry of a company the
size and influence of KTM into ORBA marks a watershed event in the
annals of OHV history. Many of the newer OHV enthusiasts, and even
some of the old, remain unaware of some of the trials and
tribulations fought by a mere handful of men during the late 70's and
early 80's that received no support whatsoever from any of
the "major" companies who profited extensively from the "dirt bike"
and "4x4" craze.
Rick Sieman (then-editor of "Dirt bike" magazine) and Louis MeKey
(the "Phantom Duck of the Desert") waged a virtual war against the
seemingly unlimited budget of the Sierra Club and the nearly
limitless power of the federal government. Aside from some small
financial help, mostly from the industry's smaller companies, these
men took on the green juggernaut of the day. And at great cost to
themselves personally, financially, and to their families.
When Sieman approached the Motorcycle Industry Council armed with the
facts and requesting their assistance both financially and as a voice
of the industry, the literally closed their doors in his face.
Excuses varied, but the bottom line is that while they were willing
to profit from their victories, they were unwilling to share in their
losses.
That's a situation that we feel is about to change, thanks to the
leadership shown by KTM and their willingness to stand up to the
forces of environmentalism gone awry. There's a new smell in the air
these days. Groups like the ASA and Blue ribbon Coalition have become
more vocal in their opposition to the greens. Groups like ORBA have
formed to lead the industry charge against the loss of our land and
in fact, our very rights.
While we cannot in good conscience tell you whose products to buy, we
will say this - As a community, we need to put our buying dollars
behind the businesses who are willing to stand with us against the
greens, rather than simply profit from us until all our recreational
opportunities are taken away. Thanks to ORBA, we now have a "buyers
guide" of sorts, if you will, for the companies who put out
outstanding products and aren't too "politically correct" or too "PR
myopic" to give some of that money and support back to the community
as a whole.
Visit ORBA's new web site and get a list of their members - companies
that are supporting the fight against land closures - at last count
there were more than 70 campanies on board.
These companies understand that this is a long-term fight and they
have dedicated their time and money in support of this cause. What
are you waiting for?
Remember it's not just about money. It's about integrity. And that's
something that the members of ORBA are showing in abundance.
56841 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
I agree.....I knew nothing of needing a STL permit or where the STL lands
were. My family has been going, unknowingly, on STL land for years and knew
nothing about it being illegal.......until I joined this group of know it
alls.
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> Althought we may speak about land closures on the vjc list a lot... Many
> people who go wheeling in areas like that are just people who know of a
spot
> to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is offroading of any
> signifficance... Im not saying what they did was right, and im not saying
> it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE to know everything
about
> land closures... Back when i first started offroading and didnt affiliate
> myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land closures...
>
> Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of the sour apples in
the
> group calling each other idiots, and making comments like "that person
> should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like those of you who seem
to
> know everything, and seem to think you have the right to descriminate
> towards un-educated people....
>
> If you want to do something about all of these people offroading in closed
> areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people and getting the word out
> to the "un-educated".
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
>
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> > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the HELL were they
> > thinking, these people should be executed just to clean the gene pool
> >
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56842 From: Chris benner <offroadfun@t...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:53pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
your exactley right. but then I've NEVER ran out of gas in my "play spot".
Idiots like that scare me, I would like to see what their vehicles looked
like. All cracked out with thier hillbilly modifications. lol.. Sorry but
DUH.. What has smokey the bear taught us all these years.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
>
>
>
> --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > vjc list a lot... Many
> > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > people who know of a spot
> > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > offroading of any
> > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > right, and im not saying
> > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > to know everything about
> > land closures... Back when i first started
> > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > closures...
> >
> > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > the sour apples in the
> > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > like "that person
> > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > those of you who seem to
> > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > right to descriminate
> > towards un-educated people....
> >
> > If you want to do something about all of these
> > people offroading in closed
> > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > and getting the word out
> > to the "un-educated".
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures -
> > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > Heber
> >
> >
> > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > HELL were they
> > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > clean the gene pool
> > >
> > >
> > >
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56843 From: DougB <azjeep@c...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
IMO, saying that someone should be executed is extreme and not very
credible.
HOWEVER, saying someone starting a signal fire is dumber than dirt, and
should face non-capital prosecution is juuust right.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric" <parajeeper02@y...>
To: "Nick Gasmena" <NickG@4...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near Heber
> I won't get this thread going, but I do suppose
> someone who goes out and "plays" in their "spot" is
> fine. But anyone who lights a SIGNAL FIRE in the
> middle of the forest that is already prone to fire and
> LEAVES it should be EXECUTED. I stand by my words 100%
> I EXPECT EVERYONE to know that lighting a fire and
> leaving it will result in what just happened. I don't
> know everything, but I sure as hell know not to light
> fires in the middle of nowhere and leave them. If that
> is knowing everything then I am a genius!!!!
>
>
>
> --- Nick Gasmena <NickG@4...> wrote:
> > Althought we may speak about land closures on the
> > vjc list a lot... Many
> > people who go wheeling in areas like that are just
> > people who know of a spot
> > to go and play... It not a hobby to them, nor is
> > offroading of any
> > signifficance... Im not saying what they did was
> > right, and im not saying
> > it isnt their fault... but you cant EXPECT EVERYONE
> > to know everything about
> > land closures... Back when i first started
> > offroading and didnt affiliate
> > myself with a club, I didnt know a THING about land
> > closures...
> >
> > Frankly, im tired of people getting pissed at all of
> > the sour apples in the
> > group calling each other idiots, and making comments
> > like "that person
> > should be exicuted." Not everyone is perfect like
> > those of you who seem to
> > know everything, and seem to think you have the
> > right to descriminate
> > towards un-educated people....
> >
> > If you want to do something about all of these
> > people offroading in closed
> > areas, stop *****ing, and start talking to people
> > and getting the word out
> > to the "un-educated".
> >
> > My 2 cents worth.
> >
> > Nick Gasmena - nickg@4...
> > -----------------------
> > My Jeep Pictures -
> > http://www.azvjc.org/Gallery/View.asp?U=1637
> > My 4x4 Site - Http://www.4x4jeep.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "parajeeper02" <parajeeper02@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 12:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Off-Roader Sets Fire Near
> > Heber
> >
> >
> > > I sure hope this isn't a closed area. What the
> > HELL were they
> > > thinking, these people should be executed just to
> > clean the gene pool
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> >
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56844 From: Craig Micek <micekc@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: Re: new house.........need help moving jeep
I am your man. Have superduty, will travel! :-)
----- Original Message -----
From: "kermitj10" <kermit@e...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] new house.........need help moving jeep
> Hi all
>
> I've been pretty quiet (more like non-existant) on the list lately,
> but hopefully that will soon change. Pam and I closed escrow on our
> new house last Tuesday WOO HOO!! Wrenching parties in my new garage
> will commence soon.
>
> Here's my problem: I need to move the rolling chassis of Pam's CJ5
> from the old house to the new one. I was going to rent a UHaul
> trailer and drag it over with my truck, but I'm having electrical
> problems and won't be able to tow a trailer with my truck until I re-
> wire the back half. I'm running with one hot-wired brake light right
> now. Is there anybody in the north-west valley that has a truck and
> car hauler that could give me a hand? I'll pay for gas, beer, pizza,
> or whatever. When it gets done is not really important as long as
> it's before the end of the month.
>
> The CJ is at Cave Creek and Thunderbird and needs to go to 75th Ave
> and Olive.
>
> Thanks in advance!!
>
> Len
>
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56845 From: <hunteroffroad@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 4:03pm
Subject: John K and the RTI ramp.
As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use my RTI ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind, thats why I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep it outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it one spot too long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around. Of course you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when, your done, put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the ramp, I dont have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed. Agian, I could care less, have at it.
So this brings me to my two problems...
A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue jeep, pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive up with the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar wheel broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till I fix it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid caster wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive this "jepper" was part of the club. But, if it was you back there last Saturday.. Call me, I would really like to talk to you.
But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number of times, when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back in. Hey thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just get excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I will continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it as long as they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done, please put it back they way you found it.
Best Regards
John K
56846 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:12pm
Subject: Re: engine storage
ROFLMAO, rust? Maybe set it in the forest....
Sorry Tom, I am laughing so hard I couldn't resist.
Seriously though I have never stored an enigne for that long.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...> wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and
have hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to
tow it to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in
the back. What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think
you deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
56847 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: Re: engine storage
Clean it up, spray it down with LPS, spend a few weeks doing this
every day or so to get a good build-up of LPS (quite a few cans
of it) and then wrap it up in rags. This should protect for as
long as you want to store it.
My brother did this with two complete engines, a Boss 429 and a
Boss 351 and they were stored for close to 10 years with no damage.
Ralph
TRobertsRN wrote:
> I am in a position to where I won't be able to put my engine back
> together for a couple of months or a year. Blew a head gasket and have
> hole in piston according to my Dad's mechanic in Yuma. Plan to tow it
> to Gilbert (190 miles) next month. The heads are in a box in the back.
> What should I do to prevent rust and corrosion?
>
> Thomas Roberts
> 78 Cherokee WT
> Gilbert, Arizona
>
> Don't complain because 85% of people don't care and the rest think you
> deserve it. (to paraphrase Mark Twain)
>
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56848 From: robert_j_rogers <robert.rogers@h...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:23pm
Subject: Re: Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
Do not know of any good places for lunch near there but would like to
go!
--- In az_vjc@y..., "DesertJeep" <joey@d...> wrote:
>
> \/\/est Siders
>
> Where is a good place to meet for lunch near Metro Center? Maybe a
> sandwich or sub shop??
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pixelsinmotion [mailto:pixelsinmotion@y...]
> > Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2002 6:00 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Does anyone meet for lunch anymore?????
> >
> >
> > ?????????????????????????????????
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
56849 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: [FS] Tires & Wheels
Price: 200.00 obo
Contact: Moe
Set of 5 Factory Wheels &; Tires, Take-Offs, Brand New. Maybe 20 miles - 5 spoke gray wheels with 235/75/15 Wranglers
56850 From: AzVJC Website <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 8:39pm
Subject: [FS] Jeep "Gamblers" with 32" BFG Muds $200
Price: $200
Contact: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
This is a set of 4 factory gambler alloys (15x8) with 32x11.50x15 BFG Muds on them. They have around 40% tread on 3 with one that has 70%. The wheels have lots of rock scrapes around them. In Fountain Hills
John
John Norton
56851 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Thu Jun 20, 2002 9:13pm
Subject: Re: John K and the RTI ramp.
John,
Like your mother probably told you: "If you want anything done
right, do it yourself." Unfortunately, this is too often the case.
Sorry to hear that your generosity has been taken advantage of. If
it is something that could be fixed relatively easily, give me a call
tomorrow at 602.321.6342 and I will come by and fix it. I have
allllllllll day open! If it needs to be welded, though, well, umm,
that isn't something that I can do. But I would help you move it,
yank on it, pull, push, and help to whatever ability I have. And
thank you for still being cool enough to leave it out there. While
the only time I've ever run up it was at the last bbq, I think it's
cool that it's there if I wanted to check my brake line length
whenever I needed to, etc...
Lachlan MacLean
In az_vjc@y..., hunteroffroad@a... wrote:
> As most of you know, I let anyone with anything come by and use
my RTI
> ramp for whatever reason whenever they feel like it. I dont mind,
thats why
> I built the thing in the first place. Unfortunalty, I can not keep
it
> outside all the time. My land lord has asked me not to leave it
one spot too
> long, and I have to repsect his wishes.
> So, I put the wheels in it to allow me to move it around.
Of course
> you have remove the wheels to use. And commom logic tells when,
your done,
> put it back the way you found it. I dont baby sit people on the
ramp, I dont
> have time to and I like to let people play and not feel rushed.
Agian, I
> could care less, have at it.
> So this brings me to my two problems...
>
> A week ago, (A witness saw the guilty party drive off) a blue
jeep,
> pretty mild build, with no top, thought it would be funny to drive
up with
> the caster wheel still attached.... well it broke it. 20 dollar
wheel
> broekn, and now I get to pick up everyday and move it by hand till
I fix
> it... I have much better things to do at my shop then fix stupid
caster
> wheels.... For what it is worth, I truly do not belive
this "jepper" was
> part of the club. But, if it was you back there last
Saturday.. Call
> me, I would really like to talk to you.
> But the main problem is... I am getting frustrated by the number
of times,
> when I am ready to go home , and I have to put the wheels back
in. Hey
> thats thing is freakin heavy and it puts me in a bad mood.
> I underdstand, it is not on purpose, and I feel that people just
get
> excited about their wheel travel and drive away. Which is why I
will
> continue to let anyone, with anything, anytime come and play on it
as long as
> they want. Just please remember your moms lesson, when your done,
please put
> it back they way you found it.
>
> Best Regards
>
> John K