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56627 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:10pm
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> David,
>
> By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
of
> new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
you can
> influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
have
> any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
that
> 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
>
> Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
the
> family van ;) <Devil's advocate mode OFF>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
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56628 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of the global
warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of the last
century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land and air) that
we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is the
cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that theory; several
scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is in constant flux,
rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as likely to see another
Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what THEY want
you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has their head
in the sand.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a
lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
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56629 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
>
> Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of
the global
> warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of the
last
> century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land and
air) that
> we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is
the
> cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that theory;
several
> scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is in constant
flux,
> rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as likely to see
another
> Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
>
> Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what
THEY want
> you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has
their head
> in the sand.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
> Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
> drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
> rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a
> lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
> particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
>
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56630 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
You fricken women twisted my words.
Jk
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
B. I already have new gears in the 35
C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
being and becoming brainless more and more.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> David,
>
> By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
of
> new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
you can
> influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
have
> any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
that
> 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
>
> Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
the
> family van ;) <Devil's advocate mode OFF>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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56631 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
The original Scientist that came up with the green house effect(affect)
lives here in AZ. He stated that even his "theory" is wrong and
incorrect. Media and Greenies will use anything they can to prove their
point.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] what will really happen
Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of the
global warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of
the last century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land
and air) that we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil
fuels is the cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that
theory; several scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is
in constant flux, rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as
likely to see another Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what THEY
want you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has
their head in the sand.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library the
other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational axis
occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But even
so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
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56632 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:29pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC and actually worked, you might have money:)
> B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare axles) will do just fine:)
To each his own;P
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
>
>You fricken women twisted my words.
>Jk
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> B. I already have new gears in the 35
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
>
>Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
>being and becoming brainless more and more.
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
>
>Scott Maiden
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
>of
> > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
>you can
> > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
>have
> > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
>that
> > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> >
> > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
>the
> > family van ;) ="advocate>"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Regards,="Regards,"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Scott="Scott" K="K"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" -----Original="-----Original" Message-----="Message-----"
>="
>" >=">" From:="From:" David="David" Withers="Withers" [mailto:dwithers@a...]="[mailto:dwithers@a...]"
>="
>" >=">" Sent:="Sent:" Tuesday,="Tuesday," June="June" 18,="18," 2002="2002" 9:55="9:55" AM="AM"
>="
>" >=">" To:="To:" 'jeepindog';="'jeepindog';" az_vjc@y...="az_vjc@y..."
>="
>" >=">" Subject:="Subject:" RE:="RE:" [az_vjc]="[az_vjc]" Re:="Re:" I="I" am="am" amazed!="amazed!"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" The="The" same="same" reason="reason" I'll="I'll" never="never" have="have" a="a" 8.8="8.8" under="under" my="my" pos.="pos." Ignorant="Ignorant"
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
>Remember,
> > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> >
> > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > supporting
> > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > of
> > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > To: suv@c...
> > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
>personal
> > property, no
> > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > someone's
> > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > drive
> > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
>out
> > of
> > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > >
> > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
>people
> > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
>off
> > and
> > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
>SUPPORTING
> > the
> > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
>loggers
> > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > >
> > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
>recreations
> > more
> > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > >
> > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> > >
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56633 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:31pm
Subject: RE: Amazed, World over-populated and appalled
Give it a rest? Good luck. These topics have an unknown shelf life and I
don't quite think this one has expired yet....
These are the joys of participating in a public forum. This is a chance
for everyone to get on the soapbox and voice their opinion. Like it or
not its going to happen. Try to be tolerant of others opinions & use the
delete key effectively and you just might still be here next year. ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Amazed, World over-populated and appalled
Guys and Gals:
Can we give it a rest?, lighten up people this topic is getting way
to old and tired. I don't mean to preach but aren't we guarantied by
our constitution to "the pursuit of happiness". Now for some people
happiness might be a house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids and a 4x4 Ford
Excursion with a V10 they only use to haul groceries for two miles,
for others it might be a Hybrid vehicle that gets "umpteen" miles to
the gallon, taking the bus to work because they help the environment,
etc. It doesn't matter, people in this country are supposed to be
free, and that means that as long as you don't break the law, you can
do what ever you want. Not everyone needs to like or agree with what
other people do, but they do need to respect them, as I'm sure we
want to be respected. I read a few posts back that people were
assholes because they purchased Fords, fine I'm sure that person has
reasons for feeling that way about Fords and will most likely never
buy one himself, buy does that make a few hundre d thousand people
assholes?, I don't think so. What I personally think a Ford, GM,
Chrysler, or any make is MY opinion, I'm neither right or wrong,
I have my point of view, that probably comes from personal
experience, and that's it, nothing more nothing less.
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is don't get all bent out of shape
trying to prove you are right, just accept that people are entitled
to their opinion, and have the right to be idiots if the so choose,
as long as they don't hurt other people and/or property, why care
about it?.
My two cents.
Jose
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56634 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
add 300 more for a tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: dwithers@atstraffic.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC and actually worked, you might have money:)
> B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare axles) will do just fine:)
To each his own;P
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
>
>You fricken women twisted my words.
>Jk
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> B. I already have new gears in the 35
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
>
>Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
>being and becoming brainless more and more.
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
>
>Scott Maiden
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
>of
> > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
>you can
> > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
>have
> > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
>that
> > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> >
> > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
>the
> > family van ;) ="mode>"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Regards,="Regards,"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Scott="Scott" K="K"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" -----Original="-----Original" Message-----="Message-----"
>="
>" >=">" From:="From:" David="David" Withers="Withers" [mailto:dwithers@a...]="[mailto:dwithers@a...]"
>="
>" >=">" Sent:="Sent:" Tuesday,="Tuesday," June="June" 18,="18," 2002="2002" 9:55="9:55" AM="AM"
>="
>" >=">" To:="To:" 'jeepindog';="'jeepindog';" az_vjc@y...="az_vjc@y..."
>="
>" >=">" Subject:="Subject:" RE:="RE:" [az_vjc]="[az_vjc]" Re:="Re:" I="I" am="am" amazed!="amazed!"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" The="The" same="same" reason="reason" I'll="I'll" never="never" have="have" a="a" 8.8="8.8" under="under" my="my" pos.="pos." Ignorant="Ignorant"
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
>Remember,
> > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> >
> > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > supporting
> > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > of
> > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > To: suv@c...
> > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
>personal
> > property, no
> > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > someone's
> > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > drive
> > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
>out
> > of
> > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > >
> > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
>people
> > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
>off
> > and
> > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
>SUPPORTING
> > the
> > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
>loggers
> > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > >
> > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
>recreations
> > more
> > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > >
> > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
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56635 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
And its still less than your super duper 35;P plus you could sell the geared 35 for a couple hundred bucks.
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'Scott Maiden'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:32:42 -0700
>
>add 300 more for a tj
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
>To: dwithers@atstraffic.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>
>"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
>
>Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
>
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
>
> > A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC
>and actually worked, you might have money:)
>
> > B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
>
> > C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
>
> > D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
>
>See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do
>the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant
>get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
>
>My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare
>axles) will do just fine:)
>
>To each his own;P
>
>
>
>
>
>Scott "Iron" Maiden
>93 Green YJ SOA
>01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
>http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
>bermboy@hotmail.com
> >From: "David Withers"
> >To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
> >
> >You fricken women twisted my words.
> >Jk
> >Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> > A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> > B. I already have new gears in the 35
> > C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> > D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
> >
> >Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
> >being and becoming brainless more and more.
> >David
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> >Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
> >
> >Scott Maiden
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
> >of
> > > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
> >you can
> > > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
> >have
> > > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
> >that
> > > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> > >
> > > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
>
> > > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
> >the
> > > family van ;)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> > > To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
> >maybe, but
> > > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
> >Remember,
> > > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> > >
> > > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> > >
> > > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> > >
> > > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > > supporting
> > > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > > of
> > > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > > To: suv@c...
> > > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> >personal
> > > property, no
> > > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > > someone's
> > > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > > drive
> > > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
> >out
> > > of
> > > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > > >
> > > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
> >people
> > > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
> >off
> > > and
> > > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
> >SUPPORTING
> > > the
> > > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
> >loggers
> > > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
> >recreations
> > > more
> > > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > > >
> > > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
> > > > Do You Yahoo!?
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56636 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
What a bunch of crap. There have been ice ages and warmings throughout
the history of the earth. Regardless of whether or not mankind was here
they will continue to occur. We may be causing this or it may be a
natural occurance. Maybe we are even slowing down the next ice age from
occuring? Who's to really know? Scientists don't even know. Do you think
a hundred years of modern science can even begin to understand what has
happened over billions of years?
Theresa and I visited a dinosaur dig in Wyoming last year. What is now
harsh desert type terrain was once a lush rain forest full of dinosaurs.
The current climate in that part of Wyoming could never support such
life. Who knows what the climate of Wyoming will be in 1 billion years.
The Arizona desert hasn't always been this hot either. I think these
people need to go back and take some more science classes.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library the
other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational axis
occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But even
so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
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56637 From: pebble007 <jawooten@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
But scott if I were to take these science classes then how would I
push my completely ignorant view of how the world works. If I were
to try and understand that life on this planet is a cycle and that we
humans are apart of it then I might have to come up with my own
opinion and would not have to follow along like the donkey that I am
carrying other peoples opinions to the masses:-p
Even with a basic class on geology I would understand that the forces
at work for a major enviromental catastrophie (ie
earthquake,flood,polar caps melting) do not happen overnight and even
when they do it is generally in an isolated area of a continent.
Envirocrap plain and simple.
Josh Wooten
a.k.a #6
Proud to be an enviromentlist
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> What a bunch of crap. There have been ice ages and warmings
throughout
> the history of the earth. Regardless of whether or not mankind was
here
> they will continue to occur. We may be causing this or it may be a
> natural occurance. Maybe we are even slowing down the next ice age
from
> occuring? Who's to really know? Scientists don't even know. Do you
think
> a hundred years of modern science can even begin to understand what
has
> happened over billions of years?
>
> Theresa and I visited a dinosaur dig in Wyoming last year. What is
now
> harsh desert type terrain was once a lush rain forest full of
dinosaurs.
> The current climate in that part of Wyoming could never support such
> life. Who knows what the climate of Wyoming will be in 1 billion
years.
> The Arizona desert hasn't always been this hot either. I think these
> people need to go back and take some more science classes.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library
the
> other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
> Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational
axis
> occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But
even
> so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
>
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56638 From: az_jml <JML2112@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: 84 cj7 trans
5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
appreciate the help. thanks in advance
56639 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: World Over-Populated?
...not to mention that a "one-world gov't" has been prophesied
in the Bible to mark the End Times. Ever read the Book of
Revelations? It is some really good, and horrific, reading. Better
than anything that Steven King could ever come up with. New World
Order? Only if it's wrestling... LOL!
Some food for thought.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> I think you missed the point -- or do you think that Texas is the
only place
> capable of producing edible vegetation? The 7200 sqft per family
is just
> Texas. There is a heck of alot more land out there to produce food
on.
> Exceeding what the earth can support? I think not. ESPECIALLY
when farmers
> are paid NOT to grow food, when food rots in warehouses because of
> bureaucratic red-tape, when farmers are fined by their country when
they are
> caught by UN satellites plowing and planting in an "unauthorized"
field.
>
> Each year, our Material Goods recycling programs get better and
better.
> Zanker Road Landfill in California recycles more than 90% of the
incoming
> material.
>
> Sure eventually we may run out of fossil fuels, however there are
more than
> 1000 patents that eliminate the need for fossil fuels locked up by
the oil
> companies that own them.
>
> Anyone that buys into the "Overpopulated World" movement is making
> themselves a pawn to be used in the march toward a one-world
government, or
> a new world order. This is an order I will fight until it is the
last thing
> that I do. The only thing a one world government will guarantee is
the loss
> of individual freedom for the sake of "socialism."
>
> - Mike
> "NOT a socialist"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert_j_rogers2 [mailto:robert.rogers@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>
>
> If you insist, I will make a remark. I have been to Mexico city,
> Tokyo, Shanghi, and and New Delhi. I would like to see your 7200
> square feet support that family of four. We are not overcrowded, we
> are over exceeding what the earth can support. Our "lifestyle" uses
> up resources that no other species on earth can approach. Our
> consumption of material goods far exceededs what we can replace. If
> you have taken math you must realize that this is not a balanced
> equation. We do not need to "reduce the population". ZPG is not the
> answer.
56640 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Greenies! was: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
If you look at the big cities, and all the people that are in them, it is possible to move them all to Texas and still have the rest of the world, is this space reserved for the green criers? I could then understand the phrase "Texas is over populated"
I, like all of you, like to jeep and there is a lot more land than they would like to admit that does not have power, water, cable or phones and yet they think it was meant for them. Here is a question, How did they get themselves and all their gear into those remote locations? God did not beam them there. They are more than happy to drive their SUV out to the areas that they don't want SUV recreationalist to drive. Or am I wrong?
Birth, live, die, it's nature and the only things in this world that do not live by this natures rule is man. Between live and die, we pay taxes. What are they trying to stop from happening, birth? Live? Or die? If anything they should work on taking out taxes in the equation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:37 PM
To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
Mike,
I like your thinking.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:06 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>The world is over-populated
>> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
>> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe that, then
you are buying into an "environmentalist" movement so EXTREME that it
wants to see the world population reduced to less than 500 Million - OR
- to put it another way, they want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than
5.7 BILLION people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time and time
again.
If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of Texas,
every person on earth (including babies only a few months old) would get
just under 1200 sq ft. I think the average family size world-wide is
about 4 children per household.. which means family units that average 6
people. That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than the
property my house sits on. Properly configured, my house could easily
handle a family of about 10.
Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together, averaging 4
people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x 18" square, on
average; remember that this includes infants, toddlers and children)
They would fill just under 500 square miles. For comparison, the Phoenix
Urbanized Area in 1990 was 741 square miles. So if you leveled the
Phoenix area, you could put the entire population of the world in less
than 2/3rds of it.
And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the food to
feed everyone either. When our own Government pays farmers NOT to grow
food, and when vast ancient farms in the former Soviet Union remain
un-plowed and un-planted, and when UN satellites are used in some
countries to make sure farmers don't plow and plant in "unauthorized"
fields. The UN is using this so called "over-population" movement to
further their goals of a one-world government.
m2c,
- Mike
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56641 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
> Do you think a hundred years of modern science can even begin to
> understand what has happened over billions of years?
Damn "scientist" can't even get the age of the earth right.
In the late 1700's the earth (according to popular scientific belief) was
77000 years old.
By the 1900's it was 2 Billion years old.
In 1963, it was 3.5 Billion years old.
2002 textbooks have the earth listed as 4.6 Billion years old...
Dang, leave it to the "scientists" and the earth grows old at the rate of 40
years per minute...
The Earth is not Billions of years old... its not even Millions of years
old. And don't start about radiological dating (C14, Potasium/Argon,
etc...) Everytime a test is done against a KNOWN test subject, the dates
are way, way off. Yet they want you to trust the dates they come up with
against Unknown test subjects. Ash from the Mt. St Helen's eruption tested
revealed that Mt. St Helens erupted almost 1 million years ago.. Ya know I
remember that happening when I was a kid. So either I'm over a million years
old - OR - radiological dating doesn't work.
If you're interested, I have a set of Tapes that goes into the Age of the
Earth, Dinosaurs and various other topics.
- Mike
56642 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: [FS] SANDRAIL $2200
Price:
Contact: green65234@aol.com
looks good runs great has been street leagal IRS w/disc brakes enough spare parts to almost build another rail if you have an extra frame. Everything goes $2200.
Perry Green
56643 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
A little enviroment humor to lighten up all the tension in here:
(Being from the Northeast I find this rather amusing)
The following Eight Point Manifesto has been developed by the
environmentalists of New Jersey to help maintain the quality of life
herein the Garden Apartment State. Due to our constant vigilance and
deepconcern, we no longer have problems like the endangerment of the
SpottedOwl and the Salmon. In fact, we don't have any birds or fish
to give usproblems at all. New residents should memorize this
Manifesto and put it into practice in their daily lives.
1. Litter: The New Jersey Environmentalist throws it out his car
window, whereupon it becomes someone else's problem.
(And who cares about them, anyway?) After all, you'd
have to _walk_ (EECH!) to get to a trash can.
2. Open Space: Found inside malls. The really big ones, of course.
Building malls is a good way to conserve space that
would otherwise go to waste in some useless woods or
farm.
3. Fresh Air: Comes from central air conditioning. Best if kept at
64 degrees F or below. It's normal to wear sweaters in
the middle of a heat wave. The New Jersey
Environmentalist keeps all windows tightly closed at
all times, so that the Fresh Air is not contaminated
by anything from The Outdoors (see below.)
4. The Outdoors:
This is the space you have to _walk_ through (EECH!)
to get from the air-conditioned buildings to the
air-conditioned car. That is, unless the car is in an
air-conditioned parking deck. The true New Jersey
Environmentalist supports the latter, because then
he's always inside in the Fresh Air.
5. Plants: The New Jersey Environmentalist realizes the need for
plants. Plants have two uses, depending on their size.
The little ones are useful for spraying with ChemLawn.
(Make sure your children stay inside in the Fresh Air
after you have done this.) The big ones (i.e. trees)
should be cut down to make room for more strip malls,
to conserve Open Space.
6. Energy: The New Jersey Environmentalist conserves his energy
by driving everywhere he has to go, and many places he
doesn't. Otherwise, he'd have to _walk_ (EECH!) to get
places. It's dangerous walking in The Outdoors,
because there are so many cars there. The bigger your
car is, the better, because there's more Open Space
and Fresh Air inside.
7. Recycling: Why bother? Nobody else does. New Jersey residents
don't want a bottle bill, because it would
inconvenience everybody and result in over six layoffs
in the bottle industry around Glassboro. The NewJersey
Environmentalist recycles his garbage, old tires, and
dead refrigerators by converting them into Litter (see
above).
8. Wetlands: This usually means the Shore, where they've gotten rid
of a lot of yucky marshes to build beautiful condos
and strip malls. Every Friday, the New Jersey
Environmentalist joins the traffic jam on the way to
the Shore, so that he can have more time in the Fresh
Air inside his car. He does the same thing on Sunday,
but this time in the opposite direction. Once at the
Shore, the New Jersey Environmentalist NEVER goes
Outdoors, since the Freon from the air conditionershas
destroyed the ozone layer and he'd get skin cancer.
If you must go outside, remember that the proper way to
enjoy the environment is to do so on one square yard
of sand, along with half a million other New Jersey
Environmentalists and their boom boxes. Watch out for
the syringes, and maybe you can collect a few New
Jersey Beach Whistles (Discarded tampon applicators).
56644 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:03pm
Subject: No, no, no, I.... am amazed!
I'm amazed you guys don't realize that EVERY single one of you are
wrong! I'm right! We all know that! Momma said hapiness comes from
rays of sunshine that makes everyone harm and happy! NOW GO
WHEELIN!!!!! LOL ;) -Rob
56645 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Re: 84 cj7 trans
Who ever this is???
I believe the 84 came with the t-5 5 speed.
I am sure that if I am wrong, I will be corrected ;)
Shawn PAssmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "az_jml" <JML2112@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 84 cj7 trans
> 5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
> example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
> appreciate the help. thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
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>
>
56646 From: jeeperaz <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: 84 cj7 trans
Only stock 5-spd in a CJ7 is the T5.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Shawn Passmore" <smpassmore@e...> wrote:
> Who ever this is???
>
> I believe the 84 came with the t-5 5 speed.
> I am sure that if I am wrong, I will be corrected ;)
>
> Shawn PAssmore
> jeepcj5nut
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "az_jml" <JML2112@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:12 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] 84 cj7 trans
>
>
> > 5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
> > example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
> > appreciate the help. thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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56647 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:33pm
Subject: OT: A Powerful Poem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Voorde, Debra" <debra.voorde@h...>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: FW: Fw: FW: A Powerful Poem
>
>
>
> >> > > > >A Powerful Poem
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was late one Tuesday evening,
> >> > > > >Before a mother could sit down,
> >> > > > >To tell her only child about
> >> > > > >The terror that hit downtown.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >She looked into the eyes of her son
> >> > > > >God, she loved him so,
> >> > > > >She felt her heart begin to break
> >> > > > >And the hurt begin to show.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >She gathered all her strength and courage,
> >> > > > >as her story she began to tell.
> >> > > > >"Baby don't cry, but I'm afraid daddy
> >> > > > >Might be under a building that fell."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The boy looked back at his mother,
> >> > > > >His eyes made not one blink.
> >> > > > >And the mother's tears began to fall.
> >> > > > >What would her baby think?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >You see, his dad is a firefighter,
> >> > > > >And his hero from the day of his birth.
> >> > > > >He loved his dad more than anything else
> >> > > > >That could ever inherit this earth.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The mother's head began to drop,
> >> > > > >Her forehead resting on palm.
> >> > > > >She thought her son would be upset.
> >> > > > >Instead, he was very calm.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The boy leaned over towards his mom,
> >> > > > >And put his hand upon her head.
> >> > > > >In her ear he began to whisper,
> >> > > > >And this is what he said:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >"Mommy please don't cry,
> >> > > > >I knew daddy wasn't coming home.
> >> > > > >I talked to him just a while ago,
> >> > > > >But it wasn't on the phone.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >He told me that he loved me,
> >> > > > >And he promised we'd meet again.
> >> > > > >He told of his new home,
> >> > > > >And the job he was to begin."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >"God is building an army,
> >> > > > >And there are many angels needed.
> >> > > > >That, is where daddy and the others went.
> >> > > > >They weren't all defeated."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was then, the mother lifted her head.
> >> > > > >The tears streamed down her face.
> >> > > > >And she could feel her husband's presence,
> >> > > > >As it filled her heart with grace.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was then she knew her son was right.
> >> > > > >He was in God's great army now.
> >> > > > >She also knew her son was safe,
> >> > > > >That he'd be kept from harm somehow.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >So, evildoers of the world beware.
> >> > > > >An army is on the way.
> >> > > > >Bolstered by new angels,
> >> > > > >Who left the towers that day..
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Their commander has never been beaten.
> >> > > > >His power has never been matched,
> >> > > > >And if evil thinks He was almighty before......
> >> > > > >Well, the surface has just been scratched!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Love ya,
> >> > > > Rechelle
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > __________________________________________________ _______________
> >> > > > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger:
> http://messenger.msn.com
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
>
>
56648 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: 8.8 Diff guards
Jim and whoever else was thinking of a "Toys by Troy" 8.8 diff guard,
These links were sent to me by someone who asked some questions about my 8.8 conversion.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1836634886
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1837468883
These are more reasonably priced and are made by Stu's buddy, :D, Ron.
--James
56649 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: A little help please
Since I didn't care to read the 75 or so post concerning the tagging,
greenies and whatever else could I get one brief summary?
TIA
56650 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: RE: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
Mike,
I agree the world is not "over populated" *now*.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>
>
> >The world is over-populated
>
> >> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
> >> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe
> that, then you are buying into an "environmentalist" movement
> so EXTREME that it wants to see the world population reduced
> to less than 500 Million - OR - to put it another way, they
> want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than 5.7 BILLION
> people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
> wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time
> and time again.
>
> If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of
> Texas, every person on earth (including babies only a few
> months old) would get just under 1200 sq ft. I think the
> average family size world-wide is about 4 children per
> household.. which means family units that average 6 people.
> That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than
> the property my house sits on. Properly configured, my house
> could easily handle a family of about 10.
>
> Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together,
> averaging 4 people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x
> 18" square, on average; remember that this includes infants,
> toddlers and children) They would fill just under 500 square
> miles. For comparison, the Phoenix Urbanized Area in 1990 was
> 741 square miles. So if you leveled the Phoenix area, you
> could put the entire population of the world in less than
> 2/3rds of it.
>
> And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the
> food to feed everyone either. When our own Government pays
> farmers NOT to grow food, and when vast ancient farms in the
> former Soviet Union remain un-plowed and un-planted, and when
> UN satellites are used in some countries to make sure farmers
> don't plow and plant in "unauthorized" fields. The UN is
> using this so called "over-population" movement to further
> their goals of a one-world government.
>
> m2c,
>
> - Mike
>
>
>
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56651 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
Global Warming???? The earth's atmosphere is getting heated from all the
body heat on this "over populated" world!!!
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
> Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
>
> Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most
> of the global warming seen in the last century happened in
> the FIRST HALF of the last century, before there were the
> vast number of vehicles (land and air) that we have today.
> Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is the cause?
> The scientific evidence does not back up that theory;
> several scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature
> is in constant flux, rising and falling. Meaning, that we're
> just as likely to see another Ice-Age as we are to see the
> Ice-Caps melt.
>
> Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you
> what THEY want you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't
> have an agenda has their head in the sand.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
> Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
> drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
> rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned
> a lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
> particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
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56627 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:10pm
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> David,
>
> By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
of
> new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
you can
> influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
have
> any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
that
> 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
>
> Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
the
> family van ;) <Devil's advocate mode OFF>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
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56628 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of the global
warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of the last
century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land and air) that
we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is the
cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that theory; several
scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is in constant flux,
rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as likely to see another
Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what THEY want
you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has their head
in the sand.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a
lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
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56629 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:11pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
>
> Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of
the global
> warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of the
last
> century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land and
air) that
> we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is
the
> cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that theory;
several
> scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is in constant
flux,
> rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as likely to see
another
> Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
>
> Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what
THEY want
> you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has
their head
> in the sand.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
> Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
> drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
> rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a
> lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
> particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56630 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:16pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
You fricken women twisted my words.
Jk
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
B. I already have new gears in the 35
C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
being and becoming brainless more and more.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> David,
>
> By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
of
> new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
you can
> influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
have
> any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
that
> 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
>
> Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
the
> family van ;) <Devil's advocate mode OFF>
>
> Regards,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
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56631 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:19pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
The original Scientist that came up with the green house effect(affect)
lives here in AZ. He stated that even his "theory" is wrong and
incorrect. Media and Greenies will use anything they can to prove their
point.
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] what will really happen
Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most of the
global warming seen in the last century happened in the FIRST HALF of
the last century, before there were the vast number of vehicles (land
and air) that we have today. Yet they still insist that burning fossil
fuels is the cause? The scientific evidence does not back up that
theory; several scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature is
in constant flux, rising and falling. Meaning, that we're just as
likely to see another Ice-Age as we are to see the Ice-Caps melt.
Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you what THEY
want you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't have an agenda has
their head in the sand.
- Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library the
other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational axis
occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But even
so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
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56632 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:29pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC and actually worked, you might have money:)
> B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare axles) will do just fine:)
To each his own;P
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
>
>You fricken women twisted my words.
>Jk
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> B. I already have new gears in the 35
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
>
>Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
>being and becoming brainless more and more.
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
>
>Scott Maiden
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
>of
> > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
>you can
> > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
>have
> > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
>that
> > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> >
> > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
>the
> > family van ;) ="advocate>"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Regards,="Regards,"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Scott="Scott" K="K"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" -----Original="-----Original" Message-----="Message-----"
>="
>" >=">" From:="From:" David="David" Withers="Withers" [mailto:dwithers@a...]="[mailto:dwithers@a...]"
>="
>" >=">" Sent:="Sent:" Tuesday,="Tuesday," June="June" 18,="18," 2002="2002" 9:55="9:55" AM="AM"
>="
>" >=">" To:="To:" 'jeepindog';="'jeepindog';" az_vjc@y...="az_vjc@y..."
>="
>" >=">" Subject:="Subject:" RE:="RE:" [az_vjc]="[az_vjc]" Re:="Re:" I="I" am="am" amazed!="amazed!"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" The="The" same="same" reason="reason" I'll="I'll" never="never" have="have" a="a" 8.8="8.8" under="under" my="my" pos.="pos." Ignorant="Ignorant"
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
>Remember,
> > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> >
> > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > supporting
> > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > of
> > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > To: suv@c...
> > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
>personal
> > property, no
> > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > someone's
> > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > drive
> > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
>out
> > of
> > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > >
> > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
>people
> > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
>off
> > and
> > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
>SUPPORTING
> > the
> > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
>loggers
> > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > >
> > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
>recreations
> > more
> > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > >
> > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> > >
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56633 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:31pm
Subject: RE: Amazed, World over-populated and appalled
Give it a rest? Good luck. These topics have an unknown shelf life and I
don't quite think this one has expired yet....
These are the joys of participating in a public forum. This is a chance
for everyone to get on the soapbox and voice their opinion. Like it or
not its going to happen. Try to be tolerant of others opinions & use the
delete key effectively and you just might still be here next year. ;)
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: zj_lopez [mailto:off-road@c...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:56 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Amazed, World over-populated and appalled
Guys and Gals:
Can we give it a rest?, lighten up people this topic is getting way
to old and tired. I don't mean to preach but aren't we guarantied by
our constitution to "the pursuit of happiness". Now for some people
happiness might be a house in the suburbs, 2.5 kids and a 4x4 Ford
Excursion with a V10 they only use to haul groceries for two miles,
for others it might be a Hybrid vehicle that gets "umpteen" miles to
the gallon, taking the bus to work because they help the environment,
etc. It doesn't matter, people in this country are supposed to be
free, and that means that as long as you don't break the law, you can
do what ever you want. Not everyone needs to like or agree with what
other people do, but they do need to respect them, as I'm sure we
want to be respected. I read a few posts back that people were
assholes because they purchased Fords, fine I'm sure that person has
reasons for feeling that way about Fords and will most likely never
buy one himself, buy does that make a few hundre d thousand people
assholes?, I don't think so. What I personally think a Ford, GM,
Chrysler, or any make is MY opinion, I'm neither right or wrong,
I have my point of view, that probably comes from personal
experience, and that's it, nothing more nothing less.
Anyway, all I'm trying to say is don't get all bent out of shape
trying to prove you are right, just accept that people are entitled
to their opinion, and have the right to be idiots if the so choose,
as long as they don't hurt other people and/or property, why care
about it?.
My two cents.
Jose
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56634 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:32pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
add 300 more for a tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
To: dwithers@atstraffic.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
maybe, but
> supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC and actually worked, you might have money:)
> B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare axles) will do just fine:)
To each his own;P
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
>
>You fricken women twisted my words.
>Jk
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> B. I already have new gears in the 35
> C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
>
>Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
>being and becoming brainless more and more.
>David
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
>
>Scott Maiden
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > David,
> >
> > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
>of
> > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
>you can
> > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
>have
> > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
>that
> > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> >
> > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
> > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
>the
> > family van ;) ="mode>"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Regards,="Regards,"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" Scott="Scott" K="K"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" -----Original="-----Original" Message-----="Message-----"
>="
>" >=">" From:="From:" David="David" Withers="Withers" [mailto:dwithers@a...]="[mailto:dwithers@a...]"
>="
>" >=">" Sent:="Sent:" Tuesday,="Tuesday," June="June" 18,="18," 2002="2002" 9:55="9:55" AM="AM"
>="
>" >=">" To:="To:" 'jeepindog';="'jeepindog';" az_vjc@y...="az_vjc@y..."
>="
>" >=">" Subject:="Subject:" RE:="RE:" [az_vjc]="[az_vjc]" Re:="Re:" I="I" am="am" amazed!="amazed!"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">"
>="
>" >=">" The="The" same="same" reason="reason" I'll="I'll" never="never" have="have" a="a" 8.8="8.8" under="under" my="my" pos.="pos." Ignorant="Ignorant"
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
>Remember,
> > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> >
> > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> >
> > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> >
> > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > supporting
> > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > of
> > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > David
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > To: suv@c...
> > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
>personal
> > property, no
> > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > someone's
> > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > drive
> > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
>out
> > of
> > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > >
> > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
>people
> > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
>off
> > and
> > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
>SUPPORTING
> > the
> > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
>loggers
> > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > >
> > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
>recreations
> > more
> > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > >
> > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > >
> > > Mike Baney
> > >
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
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56635 From: Scott Maiden <bermboy@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
And its still less than your super duper 35;P plus you could sell the geared 35 for a couple hundred bucks.
Scott "Iron" Maiden
93 Green YJ SOA
01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
bermboy@hotmail.com
>From: "David Withers"
>To: "'Scott Maiden'" ,
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:32:42 -0700
>
>add 300 more for a tj
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Scott Maiden [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:30 PM
>To: dwithers@atstraffic.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
>
>
>
>"The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
>maybe, but
> > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never."
>
>Your exact words, Neither Scott or I twisted them in any way;P
>
>Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
>
> > A. I'm a poor cheap *******. Maybe if you spent less time on the VJC
>and actually worked, you might have money:)
>
> > B. I already have new gears in the 35 That was stupid:)
>
> > C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution. I dont:)
>
> > D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap ******* Yes:)
>
>See, I can be opinionated too. Just dont forget the truss when you do
>the Super 35, then you will have 1600 + bucks into an axle that you cant
>get spares for(until you brake one) have fun getting home though.
>
>My $1200 8.8 (including disks, detroit, gears etc. and set of spare
>axles) will do just fine:)
>
>To each his own;P
>
>
>
>
>
>Scott "Iron" Maiden
>93 Green YJ SOA
>01 GSX-R 750....o~`o
>http://www.scottmaiden.gixxer.com
>bermboy@hotmail.com
> >From: "David Withers"
> >To: "'bermboy2000'" ,
> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 15:16:58 -0700
> >
> >You fricken women twisted my words.
> >Jk
> >Your right, the real reason why I don't have a 8.8 in my tj is:
> > A. I'm a poor cheap *******.
> > B. I already have new gears in the 35
> > C. I think the super 35 with an ox is a good solution.
> > D. Did I mention I'm a poor cheap *******
> >
> >Good to see we have a few people with brains. As I get older I enjoy
> >being and becoming brainless more and more.
> >David
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: bermboy2000 [mailto:bermboy@hotmail.com]
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> >
> >
> >Yeah Scott, I already yelled;P at him off list for that:)
> >
> >Scott Maiden
> >
> >--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" wrote:
> > > David,
> > >
> > > By purchasing a "recycled" 8.8 you are not encouraging the purchase
> >of
> > > new Ford's. These Fords are already purchased and paid for. What
> >you can
> > > influence is supply and demand of the "recycled" 8.8s which won't
> >have
> > > any affect on the quantity of new Fords produced. By "recycling"
> >that
> > > 8.8 you are already being environmentally conscious.
> > >
> > > Besides, you bought a Chevy Trailblazer for your wife. A nice new
> > > minivan would have provided more space for your family and been more
>
> > > energy efficient. I think you'd look mighty cool cruising around in
> >the
> > > family van ;)
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Scott K
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:55 AM
> > > To: 'jeepindog'; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant
> >maybe, but
> > > supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
> > >
> > >
> > > Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> > > else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> > > the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
> >Remember,
> > > if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> > > have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
> > >
> > > Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
> > >
> > > Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
> > >
> > > In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
> > > > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> > > supporting
> > > > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
> > > of
> > > > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > > > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > > > To: suv@c...
> > > > Cc: Jeep List
> > > > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > > > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> >personal
> > > property, no
> > > > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> > > someone's
> > > > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> > > drive
> > > > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
> >out
> > > of
> > > > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> > > >
> > > > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
> >people
> > > > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
> >off
> > > and
> > > > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
> >SUPPORTING
> > > the
> > > > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
> >loggers
> > > > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> > > >
> > > > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
> >recreations
> > > more
> > > > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> > > >
> > > > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> > > >
> > > > Mike Baney
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > __________________________________________________
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56636 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 3:39pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
What a bunch of crap. There have been ice ages and warmings throughout
the history of the earth. Regardless of whether or not mankind was here
they will continue to occur. We may be causing this or it may be a
natural occurance. Maybe we are even slowing down the next ice age from
occuring? Who's to really know? Scientists don't even know. Do you think
a hundred years of modern science can even begin to understand what has
happened over billions of years?
Theresa and I visited a dinosaur dig in Wyoming last year. What is now
harsh desert type terrain was once a lush rain forest full of dinosaurs.
The current climate in that part of Wyoming could never support such
life. Who knows what the climate of Wyoming will be in 1 billion years.
The Arizona desert hasn't always been this hot either. I think these
people need to go back and take some more science classes.
Later,
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library the
other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational axis
occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But even
so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
Tony
--
even the safest course is fraught with peril
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56637 From: pebble007 <jawooten@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:04pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
But scott if I were to take these science classes then how would I
push my completely ignorant view of how the world works. If I were
to try and understand that life on this planet is a cycle and that we
humans are apart of it then I might have to come up with my own
opinion and would not have to follow along like the donkey that I am
carrying other peoples opinions to the masses:-p
Even with a basic class on geology I would understand that the forces
at work for a major enviromental catastrophie (ie
earthquake,flood,polar caps melting) do not happen overnight and even
when they do it is generally in an isolated area of a continent.
Envirocrap plain and simple.
Josh Wooten
a.k.a #6
Proud to be an enviromentlist
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Scott Kruize" <scottkruize@e...> wrote:
> What a bunch of crap. There have been ice ages and warmings
throughout
> the history of the earth. Regardless of whether or not mankind was
here
> they will continue to occur. We may be causing this or it may be a
> natural occurance. Maybe we are even slowing down the next ice age
from
> occuring? Who's to really know? Scientists don't even know. Do you
think
> a hundred years of modern science can even begin to understand what
has
> happened over billions of years?
>
> Theresa and I visited a dinosaur dig in Wyoming last year. What is
now
> harsh desert type terrain was once a lush rain forest full of
dinosaurs.
> The current climate in that part of Wyoming could never support such
> life. Who knows what the climate of Wyoming will be in 1 billion
years.
> The Arizona desert hasn't always been this hot either. I think these
> people need to go back and take some more science classes.
>
> Later,
>
> Scott K
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe Library
the
> other day. They were very nice people and they drove their cars to
> Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's rotational
axis
> occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned a lesson. =) But
even
> so, I think life, and humans in particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
> even the safest course is fraught with peril
>
>
>
>
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56638 From: az_jml <JML2112@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:12pm
Subject: 84 cj7 trans
5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
appreciate the help. thanks in advance
56639 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:20pm
Subject: Re: World Over-Populated?
...not to mention that a "one-world gov't" has been prophesied
in the Bible to mark the End Times. Ever read the Book of
Revelations? It is some really good, and horrific, reading. Better
than anything that Steven King could ever come up with. New World
Order? Only if it's wrestling... LOL!
Some food for thought.
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "Chatfield, Mike" <Mike@A...> wrote:
> I think you missed the point -- or do you think that Texas is the
only place
> capable of producing edible vegetation? The 7200 sqft per family
is just
> Texas. There is a heck of alot more land out there to produce food
on.
> Exceeding what the earth can support? I think not. ESPECIALLY
when farmers
> are paid NOT to grow food, when food rots in warehouses because of
> bureaucratic red-tape, when farmers are fined by their country when
they are
> caught by UN satellites plowing and planting in an "unauthorized"
field.
>
> Each year, our Material Goods recycling programs get better and
better.
> Zanker Road Landfill in California recycles more than 90% of the
incoming
> material.
>
> Sure eventually we may run out of fossil fuels, however there are
more than
> 1000 patents that eliminate the need for fossil fuels locked up by
the oil
> companies that own them.
>
> Anyone that buys into the "Overpopulated World" movement is making
> themselves a pawn to be used in the march toward a one-world
government, or
> a new world order. This is an order I will fight until it is the
last thing
> that I do. The only thing a one world government will guarantee is
the loss
> of individual freedom for the sake of "socialism."
>
> - Mike
> "NOT a socialist"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: robert_j_rogers2 [mailto:robert.rogers@c...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:45 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>
>
> If you insist, I will make a remark. I have been to Mexico city,
> Tokyo, Shanghi, and and New Delhi. I would like to see your 7200
> square feet support that family of four. We are not overcrowded, we
> are over exceeding what the earth can support. Our "lifestyle" uses
> up resources that no other species on earth can approach. Our
> consumption of material goods far exceededs what we can replace. If
> you have taken math you must realize that this is not a balanced
> equation. We do not need to "reduce the population". ZPG is not the
> answer.
56640 From: Michael Lake <xjcountry93@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Greenies! was: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
If you look at the big cities, and all the people that are in them, it is possible to move them all to Texas and still have the rest of the world, is this space reserved for the green criers? I could then understand the phrase "Texas is over populated"
I, like all of you, like to jeep and there is a lot more land than they would like to admit that does not have power, water, cable or phones and yet they think it was meant for them. Here is a question, How did they get themselves and all their gear into those remote locations? God did not beam them there. They are more than happy to drive their SUV out to the areas that they don't want SUV recreationalist to drive. Or am I wrong?
Birth, live, die, it's nature and the only things in this world that do not live by this natures rule is man. Between live and die, we pay taxes. What are they trying to stop from happening, birth? Live? Or die? If anything they should work on taking out taxes in the equation.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 2:37 PM
To: 'Chatfield, Mike'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
Mike,
I like your thinking.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@AzChatfield.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:06 AM
To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>The world is over-populated
>> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
>> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe that, then
you are buying into an "environmentalist" movement so EXTREME that it
wants to see the world population reduced to less than 500 Million - OR
- to put it another way, they want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than
5.7 BILLION people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time and time
again.
If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of Texas,
every person on earth (including babies only a few months old) would get
just under 1200 sq ft. I think the average family size world-wide is
about 4 children per household.. which means family units that average 6
people. That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than the
property my house sits on. Properly configured, my house could easily
handle a family of about 10.
Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together, averaging 4
people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x 18" square, on
average; remember that this includes infants, toddlers and children)
They would fill just under 500 square miles. For comparison, the Phoenix
Urbanized Area in 1990 was 741 square miles. So if you leveled the
Phoenix area, you could put the entire population of the world in less
than 2/3rds of it.
And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the food to
feed everyone either. When our own Government pays farmers NOT to grow
food, and when vast ancient farms in the former Soviet Union remain
un-plowed and un-planted, and when UN satellites are used in some
countries to make sure farmers don't plow and plant in "unauthorized"
fields. The UN is using this so called "over-population" movement to
further their goals of a one-world government.
m2c,
- Mike
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56641 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:50pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
> Do you think a hundred years of modern science can even begin to
> understand what has happened over billions of years?
Damn "scientist" can't even get the age of the earth right.
In the late 1700's the earth (according to popular scientific belief) was
77000 years old.
By the 1900's it was 2 Billion years old.
In 1963, it was 3.5 Billion years old.
2002 textbooks have the earth listed as 4.6 Billion years old...
Dang, leave it to the "scientists" and the earth grows old at the rate of 40
years per minute...
The Earth is not Billions of years old... its not even Millions of years
old. And don't start about radiological dating (C14, Potasium/Argon,
etc...) Everytime a test is done against a KNOWN test subject, the dates
are way, way off. Yet they want you to trust the dates they come up with
against Unknown test subjects. Ash from the Mt. St Helen's eruption tested
revealed that Mt. St Helens erupted almost 1 million years ago.. Ya know I
remember that happening when I was a kid. So either I'm over a million years
old - OR - radiological dating doesn't work.
If you're interested, I have a set of Tapes that goes into the Age of the
Earth, Dinosaurs and various other topics.
- Mike
56642 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 4:55pm
Subject: [FS] SANDRAIL $2200
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56643 From: parajeeper02 <parajeeper02@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:00pm
Subject: Re: what will really happen
A little enviroment humor to lighten up all the tension in here:
(Being from the Northeast I find this rather amusing)
The following Eight Point Manifesto has been developed by the
environmentalists of New Jersey to help maintain the quality of life
herein the Garden Apartment State. Due to our constant vigilance and
deepconcern, we no longer have problems like the endangerment of the
SpottedOwl and the Salmon. In fact, we don't have any birds or fish
to give usproblems at all. New residents should memorize this
Manifesto and put it into practice in their daily lives.
1. Litter: The New Jersey Environmentalist throws it out his car
window, whereupon it becomes someone else's problem.
(And who cares about them, anyway?) After all, you'd
have to _walk_ (EECH!) to get to a trash can.
2. Open Space: Found inside malls. The really big ones, of course.
Building malls is a good way to conserve space that
would otherwise go to waste in some useless woods or
farm.
3. Fresh Air: Comes from central air conditioning. Best if kept at
64 degrees F or below. It's normal to wear sweaters in
the middle of a heat wave. The New Jersey
Environmentalist keeps all windows tightly closed at
all times, so that the Fresh Air is not contaminated
by anything from The Outdoors (see below.)
4. The Outdoors:
This is the space you have to _walk_ through (EECH!)
to get from the air-conditioned buildings to the
air-conditioned car. That is, unless the car is in an
air-conditioned parking deck. The true New Jersey
Environmentalist supports the latter, because then
he's always inside in the Fresh Air.
5. Plants: The New Jersey Environmentalist realizes the need for
plants. Plants have two uses, depending on their size.
The little ones are useful for spraying with ChemLawn.
(Make sure your children stay inside in the Fresh Air
after you have done this.) The big ones (i.e. trees)
should be cut down to make room for more strip malls,
to conserve Open Space.
6. Energy: The New Jersey Environmentalist conserves his energy
by driving everywhere he has to go, and many places he
doesn't. Otherwise, he'd have to _walk_ (EECH!) to get
places. It's dangerous walking in The Outdoors,
because there are so many cars there. The bigger your
car is, the better, because there's more Open Space
and Fresh Air inside.
7. Recycling: Why bother? Nobody else does. New Jersey residents
don't want a bottle bill, because it would
inconvenience everybody and result in over six layoffs
in the bottle industry around Glassboro. The NewJersey
Environmentalist recycles his garbage, old tires, and
dead refrigerators by converting them into Litter (see
above).
8. Wetlands: This usually means the Shore, where they've gotten rid
of a lot of yucky marshes to build beautiful condos
and strip malls. Every Friday, the New Jersey
Environmentalist joins the traffic jam on the way to
the Shore, so that he can have more time in the Fresh
Air inside his car. He does the same thing on Sunday,
but this time in the opposite direction. Once at the
Shore, the New Jersey Environmentalist NEVER goes
Outdoors, since the Freon from the air conditionershas
destroyed the ozone layer and he'd get skin cancer.
If you must go outside, remember that the proper way to
enjoy the environment is to do so on one square yard
of sand, along with half a million other New Jersey
Environmentalists and their boom boxes. Watch out for
the syringes, and maybe you can collect a few New
Jersey Beach Whistles (Discarded tampon applicators).
56644 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:03pm
Subject: No, no, no, I.... am amazed!
I'm amazed you guys don't realize that EVERY single one of you are
wrong! I'm right! We all know that! Momma said hapiness comes from
rays of sunshine that makes everyone harm and happy! NOW GO
WHEELIN!!!!! LOL ;) -Rob
56645 From: Shawn Passmore <smpassmore@e...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:36pm
Subject: Re: 84 cj7 trans
Who ever this is???
I believe the 84 came with the t-5 5 speed.
I am sure that if I am wrong, I will be corrected ;)
Shawn PAssmore
jeepcj5nut
----- Original Message -----
From: "az_jml" <JML2112@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:12 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] 84 cj7 trans
> 5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
> example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
> appreciate the help. thanks in advance
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
56646 From: jeeperaz <jeeperaz@b...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 5:41pm
Subject: Re: 84 cj7 trans
Only stock 5-spd in a CJ7 is the T5.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Shawn Passmore" <smpassmore@e...> wrote:
> Who ever this is???
>
> I believe the 84 came with the t-5 5 speed.
> I am sure that if I am wrong, I will be corrected ;)
>
> Shawn PAssmore
> jeepcj5nut
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "az_jml" <JML2112@h...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 4:12 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] 84 cj7 trans
>
>
> > 5 speed trans in an 84 cj7. what would it be called?
> > example = t-18 . i know its not a t-18. if anyone knows i would
> > appreciate the help. thanks in advance
> >
> >
> >
> >
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http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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> >
56647 From: The Acuna Family <mkacuna@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 6:33pm
Subject: OT: A Powerful Poem
----- Original Message -----
From: "Voorde, Debra" <debra.voorde@h...>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: FW: Fw: FW: A Powerful Poem
>
>
>
> >> > > > >A Powerful Poem
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was late one Tuesday evening,
> >> > > > >Before a mother could sit down,
> >> > > > >To tell her only child about
> >> > > > >The terror that hit downtown.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >She looked into the eyes of her son
> >> > > > >God, she loved him so,
> >> > > > >She felt her heart begin to break
> >> > > > >And the hurt begin to show.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >She gathered all her strength and courage,
> >> > > > >as her story she began to tell.
> >> > > > >"Baby don't cry, but I'm afraid daddy
> >> > > > >Might be under a building that fell."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The boy looked back at his mother,
> >> > > > >His eyes made not one blink.
> >> > > > >And the mother's tears began to fall.
> >> > > > >What would her baby think?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >You see, his dad is a firefighter,
> >> > > > >And his hero from the day of his birth.
> >> > > > >He loved his dad more than anything else
> >> > > > >That could ever inherit this earth.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The mother's head began to drop,
> >> > > > >Her forehead resting on palm.
> >> > > > >She thought her son would be upset.
> >> > > > >Instead, he was very calm.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >The boy leaned over towards his mom,
> >> > > > >And put his hand upon her head.
> >> > > > >In her ear he began to whisper,
> >> > > > >And this is what he said:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >"Mommy please don't cry,
> >> > > > >I knew daddy wasn't coming home.
> >> > > > >I talked to him just a while ago,
> >> > > > >But it wasn't on the phone.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >He told me that he loved me,
> >> > > > >And he promised we'd meet again.
> >> > > > >He told of his new home,
> >> > > > >And the job he was to begin."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >"God is building an army,
> >> > > > >And there are many angels needed.
> >> > > > >That, is where daddy and the others went.
> >> > > > >They weren't all defeated."
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was then, the mother lifted her head.
> >> > > > >The tears streamed down her face.
> >> > > > >And she could feel her husband's presence,
> >> > > > >As it filled her heart with grace.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >It was then she knew her son was right.
> >> > > > >He was in God's great army now.
> >> > > > >She also knew her son was safe,
> >> > > > >That he'd be kept from harm somehow.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >So, evildoers of the world beware.
> >> > > > >An army is on the way.
> >> > > > >Bolstered by new angels,
> >> > > > >Who left the towers that day..
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >Their commander has never been beaten.
> >> > > > >His power has never been matched,
> >> > > > >And if evil thinks He was almighty before......
> >> > > > >Well, the surface has just been scratched!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >GOD BLESS AMERICA !!!!!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >PLEASE KEEP THIS GOING
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Love ya,
> >> > > > Rechelle
> >> > > >
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56648 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:16pm
Subject: 8.8 Diff guards
Jim and whoever else was thinking of a "Toys by Troy" 8.8 diff guard,
These links were sent to me by someone who asked some questions about my 8.8 conversion.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1836634886
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1837468883
These are more reasonably priced and are made by Stu's buddy, :D, Ron.
--James
56649 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:50pm
Subject: A little help please
Since I didn't care to read the 75 or so post concerning the tagging,
greenies and whatever else could I get one brief summary?
TIA
56650 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:05pm
Subject: RE: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
Mike,
I agree the world is not "over populated" *now*.
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 11:06 AM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>
>
> >The world is over-populated
>
> >> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
> >> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe
> that, then you are buying into an "environmentalist" movement
> so EXTREME that it wants to see the world population reduced
> to less than 500 Million - OR - to put it another way, they
> want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than 5.7 BILLION
> people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
> wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time
> and time again.
>
> If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of
> Texas, every person on earth (including babies only a few
> months old) would get just under 1200 sq ft. I think the
> average family size world-wide is about 4 children per
> household.. which means family units that average 6 people.
> That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than
> the property my house sits on. Properly configured, my house
> could easily handle a family of about 10.
>
> Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together,
> averaging 4 people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x
> 18" square, on average; remember that this includes infants,
> toddlers and children) They would fill just under 500 square
> miles. For comparison, the Phoenix Urbanized Area in 1990 was
> 741 square miles. So if you leveled the Phoenix area, you
> could put the entire population of the world in less than
> 2/3rds of it.
>
> And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the
> food to feed everyone either. When our own Government pays
> farmers NOT to grow food, and when vast ancient farms in the
> former Soviet Union remain un-plowed and un-planted, and when
> UN satellites are used in some countries to make sure farmers
> don't plow and plant in "unauthorized" fields. The UN is
> using this so called "over-population" movement to further
> their goals of a one-world government.
>
> m2c,
>
> - Mike
>
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56651 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:20pm
Subject: RE: what will really happen
Global Warming???? The earth's atmosphere is getting heated from all the
body heat on this "over populated" world!!!
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chatfield, Mike [mailto:Mike@A...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:11 PM
> To: 'az_vjc@yahoogroups.com'
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
> Ah yes, the so-called global warming....
>
> Isn't it amazing how the press neglects to tell you that most
> of the global warming seen in the last century happened in
> the FIRST HALF of the last century, before there were the
> vast number of vehicles (land and air) that we have today.
> Yet they still insist that burning fossil fuels is the cause?
> The scientific evidence does not back up that theory;
> several scientists hypothesized that the Earth's temperature
> is in constant flux, rising and falling. Meaning, that we're
> just as likely to see another Ice-Age as we are to see the
> Ice-Caps melt.
>
> Remember the media is not your friend. They will tell you
> what THEY want you to hear and anyone that thinks they don't
> have an agenda has their head in the sand.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: intertwingled [mailto:intertwingled@q...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 3:07 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] what will really happen
>
>
>
> I talked to some GreenPeace folks at the entrance to Tempe
> Library the other day. They were very nice people and they
> drove their cars to Tempe to hand out their pamphlets.
>
> No, what will really happen in the end is we will keep
> burning hydrocarbon fuels and heating up the environment
> until a major earth-changing event like a catastrophic
> melt of the polar ice caps and possible shift in earth's
> rotational axis occurs. Then I suppose we shall have learned
> a lesson. =) But even so, I think life, and humans in
> particular, will find a way.
>
> Tony
>
>
> --
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