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56577 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:09am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
I invite anyone to try and tag my Suburban!! ;) -Rob
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56578 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:24am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child and
drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated, but
there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
Mike Baney, just my views.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> MessageScott,
>
> I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself at
the end.
>
> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Mitch
>
> Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the affluent
suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these areas.
>
> 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner, etc.
Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
>
> 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
>
> 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
>
> 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
some poor soul has inherited.
>
> 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only the
really big obnoxious ones.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
>
>
> TO: suv@c...
>
> Hello,
>
> I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7
kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space
to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every
Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
discretion is just plain wrong.
>
> I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
the following article. I think you should all read it and think about
the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
>
> http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Scott Kruize
> Avondale, AZ
>
> PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
manner that produces results.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
56579 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:29am
Subject: RE: Re: I'm appalled
Mitch I think you are out numbered on this one. You should concede now.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I'm appalled
Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child and
drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated, but
there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
Mike Baney, just my views.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> MessageScott,
>
> I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself at
the end.
>
> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Mitch
>
> Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the affluent
suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these areas.
>
> 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner, etc.
Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
>
> 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
>
> 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
>
> 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
some poor soul has inherited.
>
> 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only the
really big obnoxious ones.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
>
>
> TO: suv@c...
>
> Hello,
>
> I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7
kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space
to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every
Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
discretion is just plain wrong.
>
> I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
the following article. I think you should all read it and think about
the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
>
> http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Scott Kruize
> Avondale, AZ
>
> PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
manner that produces results.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56580 From: jay197724 <jay197724@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
The idea of the world being overpopulated is a myth. Science has
shown that you could fit the world population into the state of Texas
and each family would have about an acre each.
I say, if a person wants a school bus to cart around their 15 kids
more power to them. Just change to color of the paint, lol. I come
from a big family and I plan to have a big family. I have one with
one on the way and I'll keep having them until I need a school bus of
my own.
Who do these people think they are that they have the right to tell
anyone else what they should and should not do. If I see them
defacing one of my fellow 4x4s, I will not a witness, just a
defendant!
Jason
56581 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:30am
Subject: RE: who's doing gear swaps?
Joey,
Given the fact that you are installing a new carrier in your axle housing,
it is more than "a good idea to check the setup". The person doing the work
will be doing a complete gear setup on your new Detroit. Don't get this
confused with doing a lunch box locker upgrade, such as a Lockrite, which
does not replace the carrier. I've had labor prices range from $200 to $300
here in the valley, depending on where I went. These jobs also covered the
labor for installing new bearings and seals as well.
Good luck on what ever you decide. I've been on this list since its early
formation....and I honestly do not remember anyone posting that they did
Detroit locker installs for $100.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: monosyllabicguy78 [mailto:monosyllabicguy@w...]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] who's doing gear swaps?
i remember seeing posts about people doing gear swaps for $100. are any of
these people still around? im really just looking to install a detroit in
the rear of my CJ and ive heard its a good idea to check the setup of the
gears afterwards. ive had the detroit for a while now and im itching to get
it installed. ive been quoted $330 for the job and i think thats just too
much. if anyone has any info for me, please shoot me a note. thanks,
Joey
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56582 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:31am
Subject: RE: I'm appalled
Scott,
An excellent reponse, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:27 PM
To: suv@changingtheclimate.com
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
TO: suv@changingtheclimate.com
Hello,
I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7 kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without discretion is just plain wrong.
I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in the following article. I think you should all read it and think about the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
Have a good day.
Scott Kruize
Avondale, AZ
PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a manner that produces results.
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
56583 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:48am
Subject: Re: something bad happened
>On Monday, June 17, 2002, at 08:56 PM, linda luik wrote:
> > Here's one of the anti-suv groups that is vandalizing vehicles by
> > putting bumper stickers on them.
> > http://www.changingtheclimate.com/
We have this around here and worse. About a month ago a buddy of mine was
up working on his computer at about 2AM when he heard a ruckus out front.
He ran out and saw the tailights of a car turning the corner and...a big
rock thrown through the window of his 4" lifted GMC Suburban. Turns out the
punks had cruised up and down several blocks chucking rocks at all SUVs.
Because they couldn't aim for crap, they hit the window frame in addition
to the window, so his 100% glass didn't cover it. One week at the body
shop, $1600 ($500 out of pocket) + $240 ($30/day rental car) later, it
looks good as new. This was in the Cave Creek/Thunderbird area, up against
the east side of the mountain there.
56584 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:49am
Subject: Re: Re: Mr. Ed's Excellent Adventures?
try:
http://www.4x4books.com they have a bunch of off-road & rock crawling videos....don't know if they have Mr. Ed, but they've got quite a few.....hope it helps....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56585 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:08am
Subject: I am amazed!
I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal property.
Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of my
2 year old, not an adult.
Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people leave
the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and throw
them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the loggers!
I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers wouldn't cut
them down? What a waste of a tree!
PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
Mike Baney
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56586 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:16am
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
the largest supporters of greenies.
Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
To: suv@c...
Cc: Jeep List
Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
property.
Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of
my 2 year old, not an adult.
Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and
throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the
loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
Mike Baney
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56587 From: <hockeydawg@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:33am
Subject: SUV tagging
Hi all,
This is the email I sent them. I can't believe
that such a group of morons is allowed
outside without their meds...
I recently came across your web site and I
have to admit, this is the first time in a long
time that I have been totally appalled.
The growing total disregard for personal
property seems to be getting out of hand. You
seem to have no problem defacing the
property of others but I'm sure you do not
believe that there should be no personal
property, only property of the state.
I have no problem with your wanting to change
the world around you, but to go about it by way
of criminal behavior is truely pathetic and
juvenile. I feel sorry for you. You obviously feel
you are so much smarter than the feeble
minded masses yet they don't realize that they
need you to show them the way.
You say you are only targeting "affluent"
owners. This reeks of jealousy. They have and
you have not so you assume that they received
what they have unfairly. I am not sure how
working hard for what you have has become
taking from the less fortunate but I'm sure you
have rationalized it.
I know my words will never change a person
as selfish as you obviously are but I will never
stop wasting my breath when I see something
so wrong.
Sincerely,
Mike Johnson
56588 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:28am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled-and overpopulation?
Overpopulated world? Maybe, in some parts, but not here. Have
you ever driven across Kansas? Or Nebraska? Or outside of Phoenix?
Believe me, there is plenty of room for a few kids per family, even
7. If one particular family had not chosen to bear and raise 7
children a few years back, I would not be here today. Thank you,
Grandma and Grandpa Leddick, for all of your selfless hard work. And
thank you, Mom and Dad, for raising the 5 children you have. Funny,
one of those "overpopulation" children just graduated from a very
good private college in Upstate New York that produces many of the
country's best forest service employees. I guess it must have been
the guilt of ruining the world that made her choose her major! LOL!
This was all in good fun- just teasing- but I can see how someone
could become upset by being accused of making the Earth a bad place
by simply having a big, loving family... ;)
Stop and smell the dust storm. LOL! I meant "roses"...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
> PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
> Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child
and
> drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
>
> Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated,
but
> there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
> handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
> Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
>
>
> Mike Baney, just my views.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> > MessageScott,
> >
> > I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
> they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
> don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
> 4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself
at
> the end.
> >
> > I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> > Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> > 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
> avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
> often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
> Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
> considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the
affluent
> suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
> dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
> them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these
areas.
> >
> > 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner,
etc.
> Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
> complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
> grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
> >
> > 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
> affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
> people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
> keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
> >
> > 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
> can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
> >
> > 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
> some poor soul has inherited.
> >
> > 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only
the
> really big obnoxious ones.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: AZ_VJC
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
> >
> >
> > TO: suv@c...
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
> behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
> as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have
7
> kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the
space
> to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies
every
> Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
> discretion is just plain wrong.
> >
> > I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
> the following article. I think you should all read it and think
about
> the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
> >
> > http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
> >
> > Have a good day.
> >
> > Scott Kruize
> > Avondale, AZ
> >
> > PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
> Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
> manner that produces results.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
56589 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:37am
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
You are right, he has a right to his opinion, but not to act against it
with criminal behavior.
Mike Baney
--- David Withers <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property.
> Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56590 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:41am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL! Remember,
if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property.
> Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out
of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off
and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING
the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations
more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56591 From: Lachlan MacLean <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:43am
Subject: Fwd: You've got to be kidding me!!!
This is a copy of what I sent them last night! I
like reading the other ones that some of you have
sent. There seems to be a commom thread...
>
> If I ever catch you committing willful
> misconduct
> against my vehicle, or any vehicle, I will detain
> you
> and summon the authorities. You cannot commit
> vandalism just because you don't like to change your
> underwear and eat inferior produce that does not
> have
> the benefit of being free from pests and parasites.
> In case you're too ignorant to figure out what I'm
> typing about, well, I guess that's why you've taken
> it
> upon yourselves to stick your third grade "Kick me"
> notes on the back of trucks and SUVs. If you really
> wanted to make a difference, you'd do some research
> and find out that the number one polluter in the US
> is
> the business of producing electrical power by way of
> steam turbine. Numbering not too far behind, and in
> the top five, are jet airliners and semi-trucks. We
> should all stop traveling, and eating the food that
> these monsters deliver, right? Just tell me why
> you're too stupid to fathom that the Earth doesn't
> need you, and no one wants you on it. You're
> probably
> going to blame the internal combustion engine on the
> demise of dinosaurs next. I can see it now: by
> burning fossil fuels they kept the dinosaurs from
> making a resurgence and made them extinct forever.
> The only thing that I would like to see extinct is
> your whiney girls' club of snot-nosed hypocrites. I
> am sure that you don't eat meat, own leather shoes,
> or
> endorse the exploitation of cartoon animals, either.
>
> What a bunch of crap you peddle. Do you actually
> believe it, or is it just a joke that my friends
> told
> me about? I am ashamed that you would resort to
> terrorist tactics to make your feeble voice heard by
> the solitary owners of trucks that you cannot
> afford.
> I'll bet your bumper stickers are biodegradable,
> right?
>
> Awaiting your response, with the engine
> running...
>
> Lachlan Mac Lean
> Phoenix, AZ
>
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56592 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:47am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!!
Not to mention the people who support REI, another very green company. Hey
isn't that how this entire thread got started, someone was shopping at REI??
I'm not saying destroying other peoples property is ok but some people
really need to practice what they preach and not support the companies who
donate to organizations that are trying to shut us down.
Michael
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:20 -0700
From: "David Withers" <dwithers@a...>
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one of
the largest supporters of greenies.
Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
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56593 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:55am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant maybe, but
supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL! Remember,
if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out
of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off
and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING
the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations
more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56594 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:57am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!!
Amen,, this is the first time we have ever agreed on anything. Good to
see it's the most important thing
-----Original Message-----
From: Baja Fleg [mailto:fleigle@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:48 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!!
Not to mention the people who support REI, another very green company.
Hey
isn't that how this entire thread got started, someone was shopping at
REI?? I'm not saying destroying other peoples property is ok but some
people
really need to practice what they preach and not support the companies
who
donate to organizations that are trying to shut us down.
Michael
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:20 -0700
From: "David Withers" <dwithers@a...>
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
the largest supporters of greenies. Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
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56595 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:01am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property.
> > Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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56596 From: ricklog502002 <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:01am
Subject: Gilbert Jeepers Thanks
Thanks for your responce looking forwad to meeting everyone also are
their some close trails to gilbert when they open I like 4 to 4.5
also like the 3+ just to cruz and socialize
56597 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:03am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
And?
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> > personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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56598 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:05am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
Oh, well I do apologize for the profanity, otherwise I don't understand
your point.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:03 AM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
And?
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as the
> name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't have
> as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> > personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
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56599 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:05am
Subject: GroupBuy Website updated
Hi there,
Please let me know what you think....
www.4x4groupbuy.com
Jason
56600 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:06am
Subject: RE: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>The world is over-populated
>> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
>> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe that, then you
are buying into an "environmentalist" movement so EXTREME that it wants to
see the world population reduced to less than 500 Million - OR - to put it
another way, they want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than 5.7 BILLION
people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time and time
again.
If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of Texas, every
person on earth (including babies only a few months old) would get just
under 1200 sq ft. I think the average family size world-wide is about 4
children per household.. which means family units that average 6 people.
That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than the property my
house sits on. Properly configured, my house could easily handle a family
of about 10.
Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together, averaging 4
people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x 18" square, on average;
remember that this includes infants, toddlers and children) They would fill
just under 500 square miles. For comparison, the Phoenix Urbanized Area in
1990 was 741 square miles. So if you leveled the Phoenix area, you could
put the entire population of the world in less than 2/3rds of it.
And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the food to feed
everyone either. When our own Government pays farmers NOT to grow food, and
when vast ancient farms in the former Soviet Union remain un-plowed and
un-planted, and when UN satellites are used in some countries to make sure
farmers don't plow and plant in "unauthorized" fields. The UN is using this
so called "over-population" movement to further their goals of a one-world
government.
m2c,
- Mike
56601 From: <eswilliams711@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:14am
Subject: Re: Re: I am amazed!
I was thinking that 4 wheeling was a sport for all 4X4 owners with
a passion for off roading.To badmouth owners of other than the ever popular
Jeep(which at one point in its career was built by FoMoCo) is really
shallow.If I had a nickel for every Jeep I've owned for off roading I would
still only have a nickel.Some other companies build a 4X4 that doesn't need
parts swapped out in order to negotiate much of this Az.terrain. I'm sure
there are a few of you who still use Autolite plugs ! Off roading is not
about the vehicle manufacturer,it's about fun!
Steve Williams,
ASA
56577 From: g_rob_williams <g_rob_williams@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:09am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
I invite anyone to try and tag my Suburban!! ;) -Rob
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56578 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:24am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child and
drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated, but
there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
Mike Baney, just my views.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> MessageScott,
>
> I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself at
the end.
>
> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Mitch
>
> Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the affluent
suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these areas.
>
> 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner, etc.
Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
>
> 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
>
> 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
>
> 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
some poor soul has inherited.
>
> 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only the
really big obnoxious ones.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
>
>
> TO: suv@c...
>
> Hello,
>
> I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7
kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space
to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every
Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
discretion is just plain wrong.
>
> I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
the following article. I think you should all read it and think about
the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
>
> http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Scott Kruize
> Avondale, AZ
>
> PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
manner that produces results.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
56579 From: Joe-CJ7 <Joe-CJ7@j...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:29am
Subject: RE: Re: I'm appalled
Mitch I think you are out numbered on this one. You should concede now.
Joe Kearney
Joe-CJ7@J...
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 8:24 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I'm appalled
Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child and
drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated, but
there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
Mike Baney, just my views.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> MessageScott,
>
> I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself at
the end.
>
> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
>
> Mitch
>
> Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the affluent
suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these areas.
>
> 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner, etc.
Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
>
> 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
>
> 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
>
> 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
some poor soul has inherited.
>
> 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only the
really big obnoxious ones.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Kruize
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: AZ_VJC
> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
>
>
> TO: suv@c...
>
> Hello,
>
> I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7
kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space
to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every
Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
discretion is just plain wrong.
>
> I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
the following article. I think you should all read it and think about
the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
>
> http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
>
> Have a good day.
>
> Scott Kruize
> Avondale, AZ
>
> PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
manner that produces results.
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
Service.
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56580 From: jay197724 <jay197724@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:26am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled
The idea of the world being overpopulated is a myth. Science has
shown that you could fit the world population into the state of Texas
and each family would have about an acre each.
I say, if a person wants a school bus to cart around their 15 kids
more power to them. Just change to color of the paint, lol. I come
from a big family and I plan to have a big family. I have one with
one on the way and I'll keep having them until I need a school bus of
my own.
Who do these people think they are that they have the right to tell
anyone else what they should and should not do. If I see them
defacing one of my fellow 4x4s, I will not a witness, just a
defendant!
Jason
56581 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:30am
Subject: RE: who's doing gear swaps?
Joey,
Given the fact that you are installing a new carrier in your axle housing,
it is more than "a good idea to check the setup". The person doing the work
will be doing a complete gear setup on your new Detroit. Don't get this
confused with doing a lunch box locker upgrade, such as a Lockrite, which
does not replace the carrier. I've had labor prices range from $200 to $300
here in the valley, depending on where I went. These jobs also covered the
labor for installing new bearings and seals as well.
Good luck on what ever you decide. I've been on this list since its early
formation....and I honestly do not remember anyone posting that they did
Detroit locker installs for $100.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: monosyllabicguy78 [mailto:monosyllabicguy@w...]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 10:27 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] who's doing gear swaps?
i remember seeing posts about people doing gear swaps for $100. are any of
these people still around? im really just looking to install a detroit in
the rear of my CJ and ive heard its a good idea to check the setup of the
gears afterwards. ive had the detroit for a while now and im itching to get
it installed. ive been quoted $330 for the job and i think thats just too
much. if anyone has any info for me, please shoot me a note. thanks,
Joey
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56582 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:31am
Subject: RE: I'm appalled
Scott,
An excellent reponse, IMO.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:scottkruize@earthlink.net]
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:27 PM
To: suv@changingtheclimate.com
Cc: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
TO: suv@changingtheclimate.com
Hello,
I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have 7 kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the space to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies every Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without discretion is just plain wrong.
I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in the following article. I think you should all read it and think about the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
Have a good day.
Scott Kruize
Avondale, AZ
PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a manner that produces results.
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56583 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:48am
Subject: Re: something bad happened
>On Monday, June 17, 2002, at 08:56 PM, linda luik wrote:
> > Here's one of the anti-suv groups that is vandalizing vehicles by
> > putting bumper stickers on them.
> > http://www.changingtheclimate.com/
We have this around here and worse. About a month ago a buddy of mine was
up working on his computer at about 2AM when he heard a ruckus out front.
He ran out and saw the tailights of a car turning the corner and...a big
rock thrown through the window of his 4" lifted GMC Suburban. Turns out the
punks had cruised up and down several blocks chucking rocks at all SUVs.
Because they couldn't aim for crap, they hit the window frame in addition
to the window, so his 100% glass didn't cover it. One week at the body
shop, $1600 ($500 out of pocket) + $240 ($30/day rental car) later, it
looks good as new. This was in the Cave Creek/Thunderbird area, up against
the east side of the mountain there.
56584 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 8:49am
Subject: Re: Re: Mr. Ed's Excellent Adventures?
try:
http://www.4x4books.com they have a bunch of off-road & rock crawling videos....don't know if they have Mr. Ed, but they've got quite a few.....hope it helps....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
Ocotillo West Landscaping
480.325.5401
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56585 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:08am
Subject: I am amazed!
I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal property.
Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of my
2 year old, not an adult.
Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people leave
the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and throw
them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the loggers!
I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers wouldn't cut
them down? What a waste of a tree!
PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
Mike Baney
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56586 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:16am
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
the largest supporters of greenies.
Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
To: suv@c...
Cc: Jeep List
Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
property.
Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of
my 2 year old, not an adult.
Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and
throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the
loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
Mike Baney
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56587 From: <hockeydawg@m...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:33am
Subject: SUV tagging
Hi all,
This is the email I sent them. I can't believe
that such a group of morons is allowed
outside without their meds...
I recently came across your web site and I
have to admit, this is the first time in a long
time that I have been totally appalled.
The growing total disregard for personal
property seems to be getting out of hand. You
seem to have no problem defacing the
property of others but I'm sure you do not
believe that there should be no personal
property, only property of the state.
I have no problem with your wanting to change
the world around you, but to go about it by way
of criminal behavior is truely pathetic and
juvenile. I feel sorry for you. You obviously feel
you are so much smarter than the feeble
minded masses yet they don't realize that they
need you to show them the way.
You say you are only targeting "affluent"
owners. This reeks of jealousy. They have and
you have not so you assume that they received
what they have unfairly. I am not sure how
working hard for what you have has become
taking from the less fortunate but I'm sure you
have rationalized it.
I know my words will never change a person
as selfish as you obviously are but I will never
stop wasting my breath when I see something
so wrong.
Sincerely,
Mike Johnson
56588 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:28am
Subject: Re: I'm appalled-and overpopulation?
Overpopulated world? Maybe, in some parts, but not here. Have
you ever driven across Kansas? Or Nebraska? Or outside of Phoenix?
Believe me, there is plenty of room for a few kids per family, even
7. If one particular family had not chosen to bear and raise 7
children a few years back, I would not be here today. Thank you,
Grandma and Grandpa Leddick, for all of your selfless hard work. And
thank you, Mom and Dad, for raising the 5 children you have. Funny,
one of those "overpopulation" children just graduated from a very
good private college in Upstate New York that produces many of the
country's best forest service employees. I guess it must have been
the guilt of ruining the world that made her choose her major! LOL!
This was all in good fun- just teasing- but I can see how someone
could become upset by being accused of making the Earth a bad place
by simply having a big, loving family... ;)
Stop and smell the dust storm. LOL! I meant "roses"...
Lachlan
In az_vjc@y..., "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> Sorry Mitch, but they have NO RIGHT to destroy someone elses
> PERSONAL property!! It's like someone stealing **** out of your
> Jeep, or vehicle, or house...doesn't matter if they have 1 child
and
> drive a Suburban. It is defacing personal property.
>
> Whats wrong with having 7 children? The world is over-populated,
but
> there is nothing wrong with procreating, and its fun! If they can
> handle 7 children then let them. JW, how many you got, 6, 7, 8??
> Can you handle it? (I know he can and DOES)
>
>
> Mike Baney, just my views.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Mitch Woodward" <mitchwoodward@h...> wrote:
> > MessageScott,
> >
> > I've visited this website. Frankly, if you read their own rules,
> they are targeting soccer moms with hulking suv's, and others who
> don't need to drive such large suv's. They suggest not tagging
> 4x4's, pickups, old trucks, and work vehicles. Read for yourself
at
> the end.
> >
> > I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
> >
> > Mitch
> >
> > Our Rules & Guidlines for Successful and
> > Ethical Big Game SUV Tagging:
> > 1. Only tag the big ones. The Ford Expeditions and Excursions (I
> avoid the Explorers), Chevy or GMC Suburbans, 1500's, 2500's which
> often go by the Yukon and Tahoe name. The Cadillac Escalade, Toyota
> Land Cruiser, Land and Range Rovers and Lexus LX470 are all to be
> considered targets of opportunity. It is best to tag in the
affluent
> suburbs where you will notice the Urban Assault Vechicles are never
> dirty. I figure that most people in rural areas are probably using
> them for a functional purpose and therefore don't tag in these
areas.
> >
> > 2. Do not tag small SUV's such as any Suburu, Toyota 4Runner,
etc.
> Owners of these small and reasonably fuel efficient SUV's keep
> complaining to me when they are tagged. We are after only the
> grotesque and bloated gas guzzling members of the SUV species.
> >
> > 3. Don't tag commercial vehicles, contractors, or any business
> affiliated vehicles. Also no pickup trucks. We have no gripe with
> people who really need these gas-guzzlers. It's the morons who are
> keeping up with the Jones' that raise my back hairs.
> >
> > 4. Don't retag vehicles that you recognize as already tagged (we
> can usually spot left over pieces from the original tagging).
> >
> > 5. We only tag late model vehicles, not some beat up old Suburban
> some poor soul has inherited.
> >
> > 6. Don't tag just because it's a four-wheel drive vehicle. Only
the
> really big obnoxious ones.
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Kruize
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: AZ_VJC
> > Sent: Monday, June 17, 2002 11:26 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I'm appalled
> >
> >
> > TO: suv@c...
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > I just came across your website and I'm appalled at your
> behavior. I cannot believe that you advocate criminal behavior such
> as tagging. Who's to say that the owner of a Suburban doesn't have
7
> kids and needs the room? Maybe they run a charity and need the
space
> to help the needy. Or just maybe they pickup little old ladies
every
> Sunday and take them to church? To target such vehicles without
> discretion is just plain wrong.
> >
> > I AM AN "ENVIRONMENTALIST"! My good friend Stu said it best in
> the following article. I think you should all read it and think
about
> the choices you are making. You have no idea what the word means.
> >
> > http://stu-offroad.com/misc/environment.htm
> >
> > Have a good day.
> >
> > Scott Kruize
> > Avondale, AZ
> >
> > PS: I own a gas sipping '01 Honda Civic as my daily driver. My
> Jeep is a recreational vehicle. I am doing my part to help out in a
> manner that produces results.
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> Service.
56589 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:37am
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
You are right, he has a right to his opinion, but not to act against it
with criminal behavior.
Mike Baney
--- David Withers <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property.
> Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag" someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56590 From: jeepindog <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:41am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL! Remember,
if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property.
> Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out
of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off
and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING
the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations
more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56591 From: Lachlan MacLean <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:43am
Subject: Fwd: You've got to be kidding me!!!
This is a copy of what I sent them last night! I
like reading the other ones that some of you have
sent. There seems to be a commom thread...
>
> If I ever catch you committing willful
> misconduct
> against my vehicle, or any vehicle, I will detain
> you
> and summon the authorities. You cannot commit
> vandalism just because you don't like to change your
> underwear and eat inferior produce that does not
> have
> the benefit of being free from pests and parasites.
> In case you're too ignorant to figure out what I'm
> typing about, well, I guess that's why you've taken
> it
> upon yourselves to stick your third grade "Kick me"
> notes on the back of trucks and SUVs. If you really
> wanted to make a difference, you'd do some research
> and find out that the number one polluter in the US
> is
> the business of producing electrical power by way of
> steam turbine. Numbering not too far behind, and in
> the top five, are jet airliners and semi-trucks. We
> should all stop traveling, and eating the food that
> these monsters deliver, right? Just tell me why
> you're too stupid to fathom that the Earth doesn't
> need you, and no one wants you on it. You're
> probably
> going to blame the internal combustion engine on the
> demise of dinosaurs next. I can see it now: by
> burning fossil fuels they kept the dinosaurs from
> making a resurgence and made them extinct forever.
> The only thing that I would like to see extinct is
> your whiney girls' club of snot-nosed hypocrites. I
> am sure that you don't eat meat, own leather shoes,
> or
> endorse the exploitation of cartoon animals, either.
>
> What a bunch of crap you peddle. Do you actually
> believe it, or is it just a joke that my friends
> told
> me about? I am ashamed that you would resort to
> terrorist tactics to make your feeble voice heard by
> the solitary owners of trucks that you cannot
> afford.
> I'll bet your bumper stickers are biodegradable,
> right?
>
> Awaiting your response, with the engine
> running...
>
> Lachlan Mac Lean
> Phoenix, AZ
>
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56592 From: Baja Fleg <fleigle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:47am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!!
Not to mention the people who support REI, another very green company. Hey
isn't that how this entire thread got started, someone was shopping at REI??
I'm not saying destroying other peoples property is ok but some people
really need to practice what they preach and not support the companies who
donate to organizations that are trying to shut us down.
Michael
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:20 -0700
From: "David Withers" <dwithers@a...>
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one of
the largest supporters of greenies.
Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
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56593 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:55am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
The same reason I'll never have a 8.8 under my pos. Ignorant maybe, but
supportive of the destruction of our sport, never.
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:41 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL! Remember,
if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
supporting
> the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one
of
> the largest supporters of greenies.
> Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> David
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> To: suv@c...
> Cc: Jeep List
> Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
>
>
> I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
property, no
> matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
someone's
> vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
drive
> it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this out
of
> my 2 year old, not an adult.
>
> Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think people
> leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them off
and
> throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are SUPPORTING
the
> loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the loggers
> wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
>
> PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us recreations
more
> power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
>
> Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
>
> Mike Baney
>
>
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56594 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 9:57am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!!
Amen,, this is the first time we have ever agreed on anything. Good to
see it's the most important thing
-----Original Message-----
From: Baja Fleg [mailto:fleigle@h...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:48 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!!
Not to mention the people who support REI, another very green company.
Hey
isn't that how this entire thread got started, someone was shopping at
REI?? I'm not saying destroying other peoples property is ok but some
people
really need to practice what they preach and not support the companies
who
donate to organizations that are trying to shut us down.
Michael
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2002 09:16:20 -0700
From: "David Withers" <dwithers@a...>
Subject: RE: I am amazed!
He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about supporting
the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is one of
the largest supporters of greenies. Get a clue and give it a rest guys
David
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56595 From: jeepin_in_az <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:01am
Subject: Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property.
> > Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
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56596 From: ricklog502002 <rlogan@d...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:01am
Subject: Gilbert Jeepers Thanks
Thanks for your responce looking forwad to meeting everyone also are
their some close trails to gilbert when they open I like 4 to 4.5
also like the 3+ just to cruz and socialize
56597 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:03am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
And?
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as
> the name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't
> have as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> > personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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56598 From: David Withers <dwithers@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 10:05am
Subject: RE: Re: I am amazed!
Oh, well I do apologize for the profanity, otherwise I don't understand
your point.
-----Original Message-----
From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:03 AM
To: 'jeepin_in_az'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
And?
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepin_in_az [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 10:01 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: I am amazed!
David, et all:
Please watch how you reply to e-mails, reply all means it will go to
the list and to me personally, and to whoever I CC. So, your message
went to me, the VJC list and the suv email that I sent them...
Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepindog" <jeepindog@y...> wrote:
> Awww, is someone feeling like an only child??? I guess no one
> else's opinion about his opinion is allowed, right? And as far as the
> name-calling goes, I must say I am proud of you. LOL!
Remember,
> if it wasn't for all of those Ford-buying sphincters, we wouldn't have
> as many 8.8s to swap under our junk!!!
>
> Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha hahaaaaaa! ;)
>
> Lachlan (can't wait to read my emails later...)
>
> In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" <dwithers@a...> wrote:
> > He has the right to his opinion. IF you want to talk about
> supporting
> > the greenies, look at all you assholes who buy fords. Ford is
one
> of
> > the largest supporters of greenies.
> > Get a clue and give it a rest guys
> > David
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2002 9:09 AM
> > To: suv@c...
> > Cc: Jeep List
> > Subject: [az_vjc] I am amazed!
> >
> >
> > I am very amazed that you support destroying someone's personal
> > property. Placing a sticker on someone's vehicle is defacing
> > personal
> property, no
> > matter how you look at it. What gives you the right to "tag"
> someone's
> > vehicle because you don't like it, or you THINK he/she should not
> drive
> > it? This act of yours is very immature and I would expect this
out
> of
> > my 2 year old, not an adult.
> >
> > Do you realize that you are WASTING our trees? Do you think
people
> > leave the stickers on their vehicle? I would say they rip them
off
> and
> > throw them out (as your pictures show)! And now you are
SUPPORTING
> the
> > loggers! I thought you all tied yourselves to trees so the
loggers
> > wouldn't cut them down? What a waste of a tree!
> >
> > PLEASE keep "tagging" your vehicles, this just gives us
recreations
> more
> > power to show legislature how irresponsible the "greenies" are.
> >
> > Appalled in Chandler, Arizona
> >
> > Mike Baney
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup
> > http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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56599 From: jaylalib <jaylalib1@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:05am
Subject: GroupBuy Website updated
Hi there,
Please let me know what you think....
www.4x4groupbuy.com
Jason
56600 From: Chatfield, Mike <Mike@A...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 11:06am
Subject: RE: World Over-Populated? Was: I'm appalled
>The world is over-populated
>> I personally have issues with famlies that have 7 children in an
>> overpopulated world, but that's another whole arguement
Sorry guys the World IS NOT over-populated. If you believe that, then you
are buying into an "environmentalist" movement so EXTREME that it wants to
see the world population reduced to less than 500 Million - OR - to put it
another way, they want to ELIMINATE (exterminate?) more than 5.7 BILLION
people. "The world is over-populated" movement came from
wacko-eco-nazi-extremist and has been proven to be false time and time
again.
If you take everyone in the world and divide up the State of Texas, every
person on earth (including babies only a few months old) would get just
under 1200 sq ft. I think the average family size world-wide is about 4
children per household.. which means family units that average 6 people.
That is 7200 sq feet per family. That is 1/3rd LARGER than the property my
house sits on. Properly configured, my house could easily handle a family
of about 10.
Another way to look at it, if you CROWDED everyone together, averaging 4
people per square yard. (Each person gets a 18" x 18" square, on average;
remember that this includes infants, toddlers and children) They would fill
just under 500 square miles. For comparison, the Phoenix Urbanized Area in
1990 was 741 square miles. So if you leveled the Phoenix area, you could
put the entire population of the world in less than 2/3rds of it.
And don't start about there not being enough land to grow the food to feed
everyone either. When our own Government pays farmers NOT to grow food, and
when vast ancient farms in the former Soviet Union remain un-plowed and
un-planted, and when UN satellites are used in some countries to make sure
farmers don't plow and plant in "unauthorized" fields. The UN is using this
so called "over-population" movement to further their goals of a one-world
government.
m2c,
- Mike
56601 From: <eswilliams711@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 18, 2002 7:14am
Subject: Re: Re: I am amazed!
I was thinking that 4 wheeling was a sport for all 4X4 owners with
a passion for off roading.To badmouth owners of other than the ever popular
Jeep(which at one point in its career was built by FoMoCo) is really
shallow.If I had a nickel for every Jeep I've owned for off roading I would
still only have a nickel.Some other companies build a 4X4 that doesn't need
parts swapped out in order to negotiate much of this Az.terrain. I'm sure
there are a few of you who still use Autolite plugs ! Off roading is not
about the vehicle manufacturer,it's about fun!
Steve Williams,
ASA