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56177 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Well put Joe.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...> wrote:
> Rick....I do tend to agree with the fact that you might just be
> SOL.... No I also believe that for someone "who has 18 years" of
> experiance of setting up gears, they should know the difference
> between 41/11 gears and 41/9 gears....however its quite evident
this
> is not true...I believe that ANYONE in such standing as Al Baker
> would at VERY LEAST be reasonable and just give you the cost of
gears
> and install back....now I know this does not include the price if
the
> carrier, or install kit, but I said reasonable, and I would do that
> for you if I had made such a STUPID, INCOMPETENT mistake....but for
> him to tall you "its not my problem" well that is just complete
> BULL****. I have been setting gears for almost 10 years in all
> applications from drag racing to road racing all the way to off-
> roading..... I can honestly say that I have NEVER made that
> mistake....(not saying that I MIGHT) BUT if I had I would make good
> on it and eat some pride...but than again, by not having a
conceeded
> attitude that I would never make that mistake, (like Al's) then we
> would not know.....
> Ok, I will get off the soap box right now...It just irritates me
when
> people cant stand up and take responsibility for their own
> actions.....
>
>
> FlexyXJ
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56178 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Needed! Straight T-case skid foy YJ
Anyone have one I can hAve for cheap? Or just borrow? Mine is bent to
$&IT and I am going to make my own, just need a straight template to
make it from BTW its a 6 cyl 5speed, one from same is prefereed, but
any will do.
Thanks,
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
56179 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: RE: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Stu, Al was contacted after I started having problems. I had found a couple broken springs inside my case from my No-Slip. When he installed the gears, he broke a locker spring but obtained a replacement. I called him to find out if it was a used set of springs he installed. They were, if I remember correctly. At the time, I mentioned that I was having problems getting it out of 4wd. He offered no explanation as to why this was happening.
As to the rest of the problems I was having, I felt was due to the fact that I wheel my XJ real hard, and as you know, what we do is very hard on parts. Never did it occur to me that these problems stemmed for a bad install or even a mismatched set of gears.
Everybody keep your posts coming as I appreciate all your thoughts.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:04 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Rick,
Sorry to hear of your situation with Al. Ive used Al before and found just the opposite to be true. He went out of his way to pull a few strings for some R&P pricing for me, grabbed me a new carrier for about half of what I had found them for, charged me $200 in labor for the axle rebuild, and painted it while had it. He came highly recommended to me by a close friend who has used Al for the past 19+ years (and still does). In hind sight, it was certainly was unfortunate that you did not contact him when you started having problems right after the work was done. L
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Norman [mailto:4x4xfun1@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:31 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install problem
13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al Baker, a retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out of his garage in Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local fab shop I have used many times.
Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly in the front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was that I had to back the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like the front end was just binding up. Then I started getting some popping coming from the front end while in 4wd. It was only about a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings had been spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have had a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front driveshaft u-joints, and probably a couple other things I haven't thought of. My latest breakage was a broken tooth on the front pinion.
Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess what we found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick check verified that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats right. The wrong gears were installed up front. I guess that explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the slickrock of Moab.
I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the least. He wont acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong gears in the first place. He says he always checks the ratio. I said apparently not. He then stated that his install was warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over a year, he won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and he replied that it wasnt his problem.
First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep or 4wd repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a crappy businessman to boot.
Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should proceed. I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's many members would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then told him that I would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
Thanks
Rick
XTRM XJ
Rick
4x4xFUN
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
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56180 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:06pm
Subject: RE: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Brendan,
I think you are talking about the drive plates in the hubs. Just remove
them and slap in some Warn or Superwinch manual hubs.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: mini_dv1 [mailto:mini_dv1@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
hello folks,
sometime back i asked the question regarding full size vs cut axels.
I just finaly got my axels (200.00 for the pair) and i noticed that
the wagoneers had all=time four wheel drive. Does anybody know how
this will affect my vehicle? i have manual locking hubs now. And just
wondering what kind of things i should look out for concenring my
transfer case driving it in overdrive goign to be ok?
...shhhh i wish i could make sense
:D
brendan
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56181 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:11pm
Subject: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
56182 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: RE: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Rick,
I have known Al for many years and have found him to be an honest person and good friend. I am sorry about the current situation and hope you two can come up with a fair solution.
I don't believe Al will be affected by bashing his name, his reputation goes way beyond the small boundaries of the AZVJC. I also don't know if an attorney would be worth the fees, especially if he only had a 90 day warranty.
However with what you are describing, it sure sounds like that was the problem. Hind sight is 20/20 but seeing Al or another shop early on would have made it easier.
If there is anything I can do to help, call me at 602-273-7195.
Barry
Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@cox.net> wrote:
Stu, Al was contacted after I started having problems. I had found a couple broken springs inside my case from my No-Slip. When he installed the gears, he broke a locker spring but obtained a replacement. I called him to find out if it was a used set of springs he installed. They were, if I remember correctly. At the time, I mentioned that I was having problems getting it out of 4wd. He offered no explanation as to why this was happening.
As to the rest nbsphe problems I was having, I felt was due to the fact that I wheel my XJ real hard, and as you know, what we do is very hard on parts. Never did it occur to me that these problems stemmed for a bad install or even a mismatched set of gears.
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56183 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
To call someone conceded at not knowing them at all is pretty bold, unless you were there when the conversation took place. Just an observation.
bermboy2000 wrote:
Well put Joe.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "flexyxj" wrote:
> Rick....I do tend to agree with the fact that you might just be
> SOL.... No I also believe that for someone "who has 18 years" of
> experiance of setting up gears, they should know the difference
> between 41/11 gears and 41/9 gears....however its quite evident
this
> is not true...I believe that ANYONE in such standing as Al Baker
> would at VERY LEAST be reasonable and just give you the cost of
gears
> and install back....now I know this does not include the price if
the
> carrier, or install kit, but I said reasonable, and I would do that
> for you if I had made such a STUPID, INCOMPETENT mistake....but for
> him to tall you "its not my problem" well that is just complete
> BULL****. I have been setting gears for almost 10 years in all
> applications from drag racing to road racing all the way to off-
> roading..... I can honestly say that I have NEVER made that
> mistake....(not saying that I MIGHT) BUT if I had I would make good
> on it and eat some pride...but than again, by not having a
conceeded
> attitude that I would never make that mistake, (like Al's) then we
> would not know.....
> Ok, I will get off the soap box right now...It just irritates me
when
> people cant stand up and take responsibility for their own
> actions.....
>
>
> FlexyXJ
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56184 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: Re: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side now???
This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive Waggy's had
a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight out the
back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If this true
with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line angle. If it
isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
56185 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2338
I would contact a lawyer on this. First of all the orginal work was not
performed as ordered. If you have the orginial work order that states
4.56 were to be installed and the statement from the servicing mechianic
the 3.73 were in place you have a good case for recovering not only the
cost of the orginial labor but all repairs that were caused by the
incorrect installation.
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
>
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>
> Message: 22 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:41:56 -0700 From: "David
> Withers" <dwithers@a...> Subject: RE: Help/advice needed
> with gear install problem
>
> Even if you win your small claims court case, that doesn't mean
> you'll get your money back. He'll just have a judgment on his
> credit.
>
>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Rick Norman
>> [mailto:4x4xfun1@c...] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:31 PM To:
>> AZ_VJC Subject: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install
>> problem
>>
>>
>>
>> 13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al
>> Baker, a retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out
>> of his garage in Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local
>> fab shop I have used many times.
>>
>> Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly
>> in the front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was
>> that I had to back the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like
>> the front end was just binding up. Then I started getting some
>> popping coming from the front end while in 4wd. It was only about
>> a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings had been
>> spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have
>> had a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front
>> driveshaft u-joints, and probably a couple other things I
>> haven't thought of. My latest breakage was a broken tooth on the
>> front pinion.
>>
>> Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess
>> what we found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick
>> check verified that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats
>> right. The wrong gears were installed up front. I guess that
>> explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the slickrock of Moab.
>>
>> I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the
>> least. He wont acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong
>> gears in the first place. He says he always checks the ratio. I
>> said apparently not. He then stated that his install was
>> warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over a year, he
>> won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at
>> least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and
>> he replied that it wasnt his problem.
>>
>> First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep
>> or 4wd repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a
>> crappy businessman to boot.
>>
>> Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should
proceed. I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's
>>many members would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then
>>told him that I would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
>>
>>What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Rick
>>XTRM XJ
>>
>>Rick
>>4x4xFUN
>>It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
>>http://members.cox.net/4x4xfun1/
>>
>>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
56186 From: mini_dv1 <mini_dv1@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
yes i have the spicer t-case with the offset pumpkin setup. :D
thats is why i chose the earlier 70's model j-truck or wagoneer
axels .
thanks
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Jay Eller" <jay@t...> wrote:
> Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side
now???
> This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive
Waggy's had
> a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight
out the
> back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If
this true
> with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line
angle. If it
> isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
56187 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
LMAO
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
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56188 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Barry,
My friend, once again someone under estimates the power of AzVJC and
of advertising, beit good or bad. I am not siding with anyone in this
statement regarding Rick's situation so don't get me wrong. AzVJC has
been discounted in MANY instances and the funny thing is we always
prove the nay sayer incorrect. Officailly unorganized we are,
organized as a group we also are.
If the guy screwed up he should make it good. If people like Barry
and Stu really know this guy Al then they should help pressure him
until he makes it good. That is what this group should be about and
most of the time we are.
We go to Land Use meetings because someone is screwing up or trying
to screw us up. The other "organized groups" don't do this. When one
of our members gets screwed we need to stand up and be heard, just
like the land use meetings. If you aren't up for the standing maybe,
just maybe, we need to go find another group. One where you can sit
back on your laurels and let people, including greenies, do whatever
they want.
Rick, I am sorry to hear about what happened. I remember you having
problems with your rig on runs we went on. When Big-O sold bme the
incorrect rims and I found out a year later after they had rock rash
on them they made it good and gave me new rims. I would hope that
this guy, Al, would at least make good on what you were supposed to
get. As far as what was damaged, I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were
you.
If I can help you out please let me know.
--James
PS - Barry, no one is "bashing his name", they are just advertising
for his service or lack there of. The content in the advertising is
up to him, just like any vendor we/AzVJC deal(s) with.
--- In az_vjc@y..., barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> I have known Al for many years and have found him to be an honest
person and good friend. I am sorry about the current situation and
hope you two can come up with a fair solution.
> I don't believe Al will be affected by bashing his name, his
reputation goes way beyond the small boundaries of the AZVJC. I also
don't know if an attorney would be worth the fees, especially if he
only had a 90 day warranty.
> However with what you are describing, it sure sounds like that was
the problem. Hind sight is 20/20 but seeing Al or another shop early
on would have made it easier.
> If there is anything I can do to help, call me at 602-273-7195.
> Barry
56189 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:17pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Wow! Sorry to hear about this! I don't know Al Baker or how qualified he
is, but apparently he isn't interested in keeping customers or getting
new ones. It really doesn't matter if he has friends or satisified
customers. Mess with an AZVJCer -- that's enough for me to boycott a
business for a long long time! Thanks for the warning. Do you know if he
is running a legitmate business? Does the business have a name? Email
address?
Linda
Rick Norman wrote:
>
> 13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al Baker, a
> retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out of his garage in
> Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local fab shop I have used many
> times.
>
> Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly in the
> front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was that I had to back
> the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like the front end was just binding
> up. Then I started getting some popping coming from the front end while in
> 4wd. It was only about a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings
> had been spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have had
> a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front driveshaft
> u-joints, and probably a couple other things I haven't thought of. My
> latest breakage was a broken tooth on the front pinion.
>
> Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess what we
> found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick check verified
> that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats right. The wrong gears were
> installed up front. I guess that explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the
> slickrock of Moab.
>
> I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the least. He wont
> acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong gears in the first place.
> He says he always checks the ratio. I said apparently not. He then stated
> that his install was warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over
> a year, he won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at
> least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and he replied
> that it wasnt his problem.
>
> First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep or 4wd
> repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a crappy businessman to
> boot.
>
> Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should proceed.
> I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's many members
> would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then told him that I
> would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
>
> What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
> XTRM XJ
>
> Rick
> 4x4xFUN
> It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
> http://members.cox.net/4x4xfun1/
>
>
>
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56190 From: dirtworks13 <autoprocollision@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:23pm
Subject: vehicle type required to be a member.
I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
56191 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Re: vehicle type required to be a member.
Way cool! Welcome!
Linda
dirtworks13 wrote:
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
> DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56192 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:36pm
Subject: RE: vehicle type required to be a member.
Larry,
Your in! Welcome to the conglomeration!! Got any pictures to share of
your M422A1??
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dirtworks13 [mailto:autoprocollision@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] vehicle type required to be a member.
>
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE
> 1967. DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
56193 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: vehicle type required to be a member.
I should say I the last time I saw one of those was at the Military
Vehicle Preservationists show last year. How do you keep something like
that running? Are there still parts available?
Linda
dirtworks13 wrote:
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
> DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
56194 From: Robert Holmes <robert@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:49pm
Subject: RE: D44 off Waggoner for CJ
Almost all of them have offset axels, this is not because of the driveline
coming out of one side or the other, but on the older ones the factory
assumed the gas tank would get in the way of the driveline.
We are currently going to swap a set of 44's into our scrambler, the offset
pumpkin will make it interesting, but I doubt there will be a problem
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side now???
This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive Waggy's had
a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight out the
back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If this true
with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line angle. If it
isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
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56195 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
James, I don't under estimate the power of the anyone. Remember I am a member of this group as well as two other 4 wheel drive clubs. I will, however, not pressure a friend on how to run or conduct his business. If I had all the information on this matter, not just one side be it right or wrong I still would not be compelled to to jump into this situation, I feel that it is between consumer and customer. If the AzVJC jumps on a band wagon and boycott Al then let it be so. His reputation and business among the many wheelers that know him will not be hindered and that would include myself.
I do hope that Al and Rick come to an positive solution to this matter.
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56196 From: dirtworks13 <autoprocollision@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:23pm
Subject: m422a1 membership
hay, that was easy but doesn,t someone with power need to bless this
union ? pictures are coming but first some repairs after the "mighty
mite" fell two feet from the vehicle lift it was on . sheet metal
only and after all this is a body shop. as for how i keep it going ,
well lots of mods. such as a v6 buick swap for the origional air-
cooled 4 banger, blazer frt. hubs and chev. van steering box along
with custom frt. steering linkage. so far no running gear problems.
very little rust as most of it is aluminum. my mods. have added a
1000# so far and i weigh in at 2700 #. i didn,t makeup the
name "mighty mite" either. american motors named it. i call it the
polish cadillac
larry
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Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:26pm
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56198 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: dual batteries
I did not think you could use an actual ford ignition solenoid, I tried it in my Chevy pick up and it would work for a few days then burn out, I bought one at Isleys RV parts that was rated for continuous duty and it lasted for years. The ford starter solenoids will not hold up to continuous energizing as in charging dual batteries. I now have a painless wiring dual battery set-up in my CJ that is kind of cool it allows switching between batteries for different situations. It cost considerably less than 200.00.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Holmes
To: sthomas@architekton.com
Cc: parajeeper ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: dual batteries
Scott:
If you don't subscribe to the isolator setup for dual batteries then it is very simple and inexpensive to utilize a Ford starter solenoid to charge/connect the two batteries together and control when you want to do it. It has been done for years (centuries?) with motor homes and works great. but if someone wants to spend $185-$200 to do it I'll be glad to take their money and set them up. If you look at that set up closely you will see that that is all it is with a ridicules price tag.
Gary Holmes
Scott Thomas wrote:
You still have to buy the dual battery solenoid set up which I believe isaround $185-$200.Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: parajeeper [mailto:pwhhl@yahoo.com]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:04 PMTo: az_vjc@yahoogroups.comSubject: [az_vjc] Re: dual batteriesCan't you just mount it in the rear cargo area behind the seat on acustom tray with long cables running to the other battery? Cheaperthan $500--- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
get us some pictures-----Original Message-----From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:49 PMTo: Mark Mesalam; David Withers; sthomas@a...;az_vjc@y...Subject: Re: [az_vjc] dual batteriesNever say never ;)I've seen a writeups from a couple of people, who have done it
easily.
Use Optima batteries, as they can be mounted in any position. They
both
used two Optimas (full sized ones), and mounted them on their sides
in
the same location as the stock battery. They fit without much of aproblem. Cheers, Fred----- Original Message -----From: Mark Mesalam To: David Withers ;sthomas@a... ; az_vjc@y...Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:36 PMSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesThere isn't room. There is A/C stuff in the way.-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:54 PMTo: sthomas@a...; az_vjc@y...Subject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesI thought there wasn't room to run dual optimas in a TJ with A/C?-----Original Message-----From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PMTo: David WithersSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesDoes having A/C really make that big of a difference on your
electrical
power supply? I can see that having a winch and 15 KC lights make
that
kind of a difference, but A/C. It runs off of your fan belt any
ways.
Just wondering why and if this makes a difference.Thanks,Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:31 PMTo: sthomas@a...; az_vjc@y...Subject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesthis is with A/C-----Original Message-----From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:10 PMTo: David WithersSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesHey David, I'm not sure if you are just informing people or if you are
buying
this dual battery system. None the less I have seen set up that arecheaper and you choose the batteries that you are going to run, so
you
can run two Optima batteries. If you want more information let me
know
and I'll see if I can dig up the information.Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:06 PMTo: az_vjc@y...Subject: [az_vjc] dual batteriesDual Battery System - Jeep TJ<http://site36773.dellhost.com/cgi-
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56199 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: K&N filter upgrade
I recently went back to the stock airbox after running a K&N cone filter
off the airtube for the last 3 years. I was amazed at how much more
power I have when the temperatures are high. I need to fab up some kind
of cold air intake. I'm not a fan of the snorkel so it will be something
different.
Anyway, stay away from that mod. It will not only suck your horsepower
but your gas mileage too.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: robert_j_rogers2 [mailto:robert.rogers@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: K&N filter upgrade
The only problem is that now you are sucking hot engine bay air into
the intake. The filter will also become clogged faster, and also
suseptible to water, a wet filter is very clogged. Portt outside air
into the engine and use a shell to keep the filter clean. THAT will
give you more horsepower and better milage.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/tjkn/knsport.asp
>
>
> Found this on JU...
>
>
> Mike Baney
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56200 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:47pm
Subject: RE: Turn Signals
I wired up some CJ lights on the front of my TJ and they work as normal
as it did with the TJ signals. I also installed flush round tail lights
and it is still normal. I think Chris is right.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:48 PM
To: parajeeper; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Turn Signals
Most likely they are wired wrong. Do you have both parking and turn
signals working. Joe West's were like this until I pointed out to him
that his were wired wrong. He had assumed that red was power and black
is ground. Not true on the CJ lights. One wire is parking and the other
is turn signal. They ground through the housing. As soon as we wired
them properly, he again had parking lights and the turn signals blinked
at the proper rate.
Hope that helps.
Chris
See - I do know some CJ stuff
> From: "parajeeper" <pwhhl@y...>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:56:59 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Turn Signals
>
> I recently removed the fenders on my TJ and replaced the stock turn
> signals with the turn signals from a 75 CJ. Now without the stock
> parking lights installed, the signals blink rather fast. I have heard
> that I can put a 5.7 to 8 ohm resisitor pack inline with each signal
> to slow this down. Does anyone have any suggestions on this matter?
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Eric
>
> 2002 TJ
> 1979 CJ
>
>
>
>
>
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56201 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:52pm
Subject: RE: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
Joe,
They sell little electric nose hair trimmers for that kind of problem.
If you don't already have one I'll recommend to Joyce that your kids
pick one up for fathers day. If you do have one, you ought to try using
it more often!
LOL
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:12 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
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56177 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:39pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Well put Joe.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "flexyxj" <flexyxj98@m...> wrote:
> Rick....I do tend to agree with the fact that you might just be
> SOL.... No I also believe that for someone "who has 18 years" of
> experiance of setting up gears, they should know the difference
> between 41/11 gears and 41/9 gears....however its quite evident
this
> is not true...I believe that ANYONE in such standing as Al Baker
> would at VERY LEAST be reasonable and just give you the cost of
gears
> and install back....now I know this does not include the price if
the
> carrier, or install kit, but I said reasonable, and I would do that
> for you if I had made such a STUPID, INCOMPETENT mistake....but for
> him to tall you "its not my problem" well that is just complete
> BULL****. I have been setting gears for almost 10 years in all
> applications from drag racing to road racing all the way to off-
> roading..... I can honestly say that I have NEVER made that
> mistake....(not saying that I MIGHT) BUT if I had I would make good
> on it and eat some pride...but than again, by not having a
conceeded
> attitude that I would never make that mistake, (like Al's) then we
> would not know.....
> Ok, I will get off the soap box right now...It just irritates me
when
> people cant stand up and take responsibility for their own
> actions.....
>
>
> FlexyXJ
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56178 From: bermboy2000 <bermboy@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:43pm
Subject: Needed! Straight T-case skid foy YJ
Anyone have one I can hAve for cheap? Or just borrow? Mine is bent to
$&IT and I am going to make my own, just need a straight template to
make it from BTW its a 6 cyl 5speed, one from same is prefereed, but
any will do.
Thanks,
Scott Maiden
93 YJ
56179 From: Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 7:56pm
Subject: RE: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Stu, Al was contacted after I started having problems. I had found a couple broken springs inside my case from my No-Slip. When he installed the gears, he broke a locker spring but obtained a replacement. I called him to find out if it was a used set of springs he installed. They were, if I remember correctly. At the time, I mentioned that I was having problems getting it out of 4wd. He offered no explanation as to why this was happening.
As to the rest of the problems I was having, I felt was due to the fact that I wheel my XJ real hard, and as you know, what we do is very hard on parts. Never did it occur to me that these problems stemmed for a bad install or even a mismatched set of gears.
Everybody keep your posts coming as I appreciate all your thoughts.
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@qwest.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:04 PM
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Rick,
Sorry to hear of your situation with Al. Ive used Al before and found just the opposite to be true. He went out of his way to pull a few strings for some R&P pricing for me, grabbed me a new carrier for about half of what I had found them for, charged me $200 in labor for the axle rebuild, and painted it while had it. He came highly recommended to me by a close friend who has used Al for the past 19+ years (and still does). In hind sight, it was certainly was unfortunate that you did not contact him when you started having problems right after the work was done. L
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Norman [mailto:4x4xfun1@cox.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:31 PM
To: AZ_VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install problem
13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al Baker, a retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out of his garage in Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local fab shop I have used many times.
Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly in the front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was that I had to back the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like the front end was just binding up. Then I started getting some popping coming from the front end while in 4wd. It was only about a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings had been spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have had a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front driveshaft u-joints, and probably a couple other things I haven't thought of. My latest breakage was a broken tooth on the front pinion.
Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess what we found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick check verified that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats right. The wrong gears were installed up front. I guess that explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the slickrock of Moab.
I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the least. He wont acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong gears in the first place. He says he always checks the ratio. I said apparently not. He then stated that his install was warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over a year, he won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and he replied that it wasnt his problem.
First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep or 4wd repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a crappy businessman to boot.
Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should proceed. I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's many members would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then told him that I would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
Thanks
Rick
XTRM XJ
Rick
4x4xFUN
It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
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56180 From: Steve Meyer <steve.j.meyer@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:06pm
Subject: RE: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Brendan,
I think you are talking about the drive plates in the hubs. Just remove
them and slap in some Warn or Superwinch manual hubs.
--Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: mini_dv1 [mailto:mini_dv1@y...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 7:15 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
hello folks,
sometime back i asked the question regarding full size vs cut axels.
I just finaly got my axels (200.00 for the pair) and i noticed that
the wagoneers had all=time four wheel drive. Does anybody know how
this will affect my vehicle? i have manual locking hubs now. And just
wondering what kind of things i should look out for concenring my
transfer case driving it in overdrive goign to be ok?
...shhhh i wish i could make sense
:D
brendan
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56181 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:11pm
Subject: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
56182 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:32pm
Subject: RE: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Rick,
I have known Al for many years and have found him to be an honest person and good friend. I am sorry about the current situation and hope you two can come up with a fair solution.
I don't believe Al will be affected by bashing his name, his reputation goes way beyond the small boundaries of the AZVJC. I also don't know if an attorney would be worth the fees, especially if he only had a 90 day warranty.
However with what you are describing, it sure sounds like that was the problem. Hind sight is 20/20 but seeing Al or another shop early on would have made it easier.
If there is anything I can do to help, call me at 602-273-7195.
Barry
Rick Norman <4x4xfun1@cox.net> wrote:
Stu, Al was contacted after I started having problems. I had found a couple broken springs inside my case from my No-Slip. When he installed the gears, he broke a locker spring but obtained a replacement. I called him to find out if it was a used set of springs he installed. They were, if I remember correctly. At the time, I mentioned that I was having problems getting it out of 4wd. He offered no explanation as to why this was happening.
As to the rest nbsphe problems I was having, I felt was due to the fact that I wheel my XJ real hard, and as you know, what we do is very hard on parts. Never did it occur to me that these problems stemmed for a bad install or even a mismatched set of gears.
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56183 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 8:39pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
To call someone conceded at not knowing them at all is pretty bold, unless you were there when the conversation took place. Just an observation.
bermboy2000 wrote:
Well put Joe.
Scott Maiden
--- In az_vjc@y..., "flexyxj" wrote:
> Rick....I do tend to agree with the fact that you might just be
> SOL.... No I also believe that for someone "who has 18 years" of
> experiance of setting up gears, they should know the difference
> between 41/11 gears and 41/9 gears....however its quite evident
this
> is not true...I believe that ANYONE in such standing as Al Baker
> would at VERY LEAST be reasonable and just give you the cost of
gears
> and install back....now I know this does not include the price if
the
> carrier, or install kit, but I said reasonable, and I would do that
> for you if I had made such a STUPID, INCOMPETENT mistake....but for
> him to tall you "its not my problem" well that is just complete
> BULL****. I have been setting gears for almost 10 years in all
> applications from drag racing to road racing all the way to off-
> roading..... I can honestly say that I have NEVER made that
> mistake....(not saying that I MIGHT) BUT if I had I would make good
> on it and eat some pride...but than again, by not having a
conceeded
> attitude that I would never make that mistake, (like Al's) then we
> would not know.....
> Ok, I will get off the soap box right now...It just irritates me
when
> people cant stand up and take responsibility for their own
> actions.....
>
>
> FlexyXJ
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56184 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 5:53pm
Subject: Re: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side now???
This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive Waggy's had
a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight out the
back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If this true
with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line angle. If it
isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
56185 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Digest Number 2338
I would contact a lawyer on this. First of all the orginal work was not
performed as ordered. If you have the orginial work order that states
4.56 were to be installed and the statement from the servicing mechianic
the 3.73 were in place you have a good case for recovering not only the
cost of the orginial labor but all repairs that were caused by the
incorrect installation.
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
>
> __________________________________________________ ______________________
>
>
> Message: 22 Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 17:41:56 -0700 From: "David
> Withers" <dwithers@a...> Subject: RE: Help/advice needed
> with gear install problem
>
> Even if you win your small claims court case, that doesn't mean
> you'll get your money back. He'll just have a judgment on his
> credit.
>
>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Rick Norman
>> [mailto:4x4xfun1@c...] Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:31 PM To:
>> AZ_VJC Subject: [az_vjc] Help/advice needed with gear install
>> problem
>>
>>
>>
>> 13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al
>> Baker, a retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out
>> of his garage in Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local
>> fab shop I have used many times.
>>
>> Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly
>> in the front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was
>> that I had to back the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like
>> the front end was just binding up. Then I started getting some
>> popping coming from the front end while in 4wd. It was only about
>> a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings had been
>> spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have
>> had a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front
>> driveshaft u-joints, and probably a couple other things I
>> haven't thought of. My latest breakage was a broken tooth on the
>> front pinion.
>>
>> Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess
>> what we found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick
>> check verified that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats
>> right. The wrong gears were installed up front. I guess that
>> explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the slickrock of Moab.
>>
>> I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the
>> least. He wont acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong
>> gears in the first place. He says he always checks the ratio. I
>> said apparently not. He then stated that his install was
>> warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over a year, he
>> won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at
>> least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and
>> he replied that it wasnt his problem.
>>
>> First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep
>> or 4wd repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a
>> crappy businessman to boot.
>>
>> Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should
proceed. I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's
>>many members would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then
>>told him that I would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
>>
>>What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>Rick
>>XTRM XJ
>>
>>Rick
>>4x4xFUN
>>It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
>>http://members.cox.net/4x4xfun1/
>>
>>
>
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
56186 From: mini_dv1 <mini_dv1@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
yes i have the spicer t-case with the offset pumpkin setup. :D
thats is why i chose the earlier 70's model j-truck or wagoneer
axels .
thanks
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Jay Eller" <jay@t...> wrote:
> Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side
now???
> This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive
Waggy's had
> a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight
out the
> back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If
this true
> with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line
angle. If it
> isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
56187 From: CoyotEddie <coyoteddie@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:40pm
Subject: Re: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
LMAO
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
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56188 From: jetowle2000 <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 9:56pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Barry,
My friend, once again someone under estimates the power of AzVJC and
of advertising, beit good or bad. I am not siding with anyone in this
statement regarding Rick's situation so don't get me wrong. AzVJC has
been discounted in MANY instances and the funny thing is we always
prove the nay sayer incorrect. Officailly unorganized we are,
organized as a group we also are.
If the guy screwed up he should make it good. If people like Barry
and Stu really know this guy Al then they should help pressure him
until he makes it good. That is what this group should be about and
most of the time we are.
We go to Land Use meetings because someone is screwing up or trying
to screw us up. The other "organized groups" don't do this. When one
of our members gets screwed we need to stand up and be heard, just
like the land use meetings. If you aren't up for the standing maybe,
just maybe, we need to go find another group. One where you can sit
back on your laurels and let people, including greenies, do whatever
they want.
Rick, I am sorry to hear about what happened. I remember you having
problems with your rig on runs we went on. When Big-O sold bme the
incorrect rims and I found out a year later after they had rock rash
on them they made it good and gave me new rims. I would hope that
this guy, Al, would at least make good on what you were supposed to
get. As far as what was damaged, I wouldn't hold my breath, if I were
you.
If I can help you out please let me know.
--James
PS - Barry, no one is "bashing his name", they are just advertising
for his service or lack there of. The content in the advertising is
up to him, just like any vendor we/AzVJC deal(s) with.
--- In az_vjc@y..., barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...> wrote:
>
> Rick,
> I have known Al for many years and have found him to be an honest
person and good friend. I am sorry about the current situation and
hope you two can come up with a fair solution.
> I don't believe Al will be affected by bashing his name, his
reputation goes way beyond the small boundaries of the AZVJC. I also
don't know if an attorney would be worth the fees, especially if he
only had a 90 day warranty.
> However with what you are describing, it sure sounds like that was
the problem. Hind sight is 20/20 but seeing Al or another shop early
on would have made it easier.
> If there is anything I can do to help, call me at 602-273-7195.
> Barry
56189 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:17pm
Subject: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
Wow! Sorry to hear about this! I don't know Al Baker or how qualified he
is, but apparently he isn't interested in keeping customers or getting
new ones. It really doesn't matter if he has friends or satisified
customers. Mess with an AZVJCer -- that's enough for me to boycott a
business for a long long time! Thanks for the warning. Do you know if he
is running a legitmate business? Does the business have a name? Email
address?
Linda
Rick Norman wrote:
>
> 13 months ago I had my XJ regeared to 4.56. This was done by Al Baker, a
> retired 4wd shop owner who now operates his business out of his garage in
> Glendale. He came highly recommended by a local fab shop I have used many
> times.
>
> Immediately after the gear swap, I started having problems, mostly in the
> front end/transfer case. The first thing I noticed was that I had to back
> the Jeep up to get it out of 4wd. It was like the front end was just binding
> up. Then I started getting some popping coming from the front end while in
> 4wd. It was only about a month ago that I found one of the carrier bearings
> had been spinning on the carrier. In the 12 months prior to that, I have had
> a cracked transfer case (of unknown origin), replaced 4 front driveshaft
> u-joints, and probably a couple other things I haven't thought of. My
> latest breakage was a broken tooth on the front pinion.
>
> Last night we pulled the old gears out of the front end and guess what we
> found.........I had 3.73 gears in the front axle. A quick check verified
> that the rear is geared to 4.56. Yup, thats right. The wrong gears were
> installed up front. I guess that explains why I couldn't drive in 4wd on the
> slickrock of Moab.
>
> I just contacted Al Baker. It didnt go very well, to say the least. He wont
> acknowledge the fact that he installed the wrong gears in the first place.
> He says he always checks the ratio. I said apparently not. He then stated
> that his install was warrantied for 90 days, and that because its been over
> a year, he won't touch it. I told him that I should be reimbursed for at
> least the cost of his front end install (approximately $575) and he replied
> that it wasnt his problem.
>
> First off, I urge all of you to avoid using Al Baker for any Jeep or 4wd
> repair. He's obviously an incompetent installer and a crappy businessman to
> boot.
>
> Second, I would like to get your thoughts and ideas on how I should proceed.
> I mentioned that EVERYBODY I know, including the AZVJC and it's many members
> would be made aware of how he handled this situation. I then told him that I
> would be contacting a lawyer about reimbursement.
>
> What do you think??? Do I stand a chance??
>
> Thanks
>
> Rick
> XTRM XJ
>
> Rick
> 4x4xFUN
> It's an XJ thing...you wouldn't understand
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56190 From: dirtworks13 <autoprocollision@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:23pm
Subject: vehicle type required to be a member.
I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
56191 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:30pm
Subject: Re: vehicle type required to be a member.
Way cool! Welcome!
Linda
dirtworks13 wrote:
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
> DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
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56192 From: DesertJeep <joey@d...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:36pm
Subject: RE: vehicle type required to be a member.
Larry,
Your in! Welcome to the conglomeration!! Got any pictures to share of
your M422A1??
Joey K
93YJ
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dirtworks13 [mailto:autoprocollision@e...]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 10:24 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] vehicle type required to be a member.
>
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE
> 1967. DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
>
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56193 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:33pm
Subject: Re: vehicle type required to be a member.
I should say I the last time I saw one of those was at the Military
Vehicle Preservationists show last year. How do you keep something like
that running? Are there still parts available?
Linda
dirtworks13 wrote:
>
> I OWN A M422A1 MADE BY AMERICAN MOTORS. I HAVE OWNED IT SINCE 1967.
> DOES THIS MEET MEMBERSHIP REQUIREMENTS? IT HAS SEEN SEVERAL
> MODIFICATIONS OVER THE YEARS. HOW MANY JEEP OWNERS CAN PACK THEIR
> JEEP IN THE BACK OF A SHORTBED 1998 DODGE P/U . I HAVE NO CHOICE BUT
> TRANSPORT IT DUE TO 5.25:1 GEARS. WOULD APPRECIATE AN ANSWER. THANKS
> LARRY OLEXIEWICZ
>
>
>
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56194 From: Robert Holmes <robert@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 10:49pm
Subject: RE: D44 off Waggoner for CJ
Almost all of them have offset axels, this is not because of the driveline
coming out of one side or the other, but on the older ones the factory
assumed the gas tank would get in the way of the driveline.
We are currently going to swap a set of 44's into our scrambler, the offset
pumpkin will make it interesting, but I doubt there will be a problem
-----Original Message-----
From: Jay Eller [mailto:jay@t...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] D44 off Wagoneer for CJ
Shouldn't be a problem. But is the rear pumpkin offset to one side now???
This might be a problem. I believe most of the all-wheel-drive Waggy's had
a t-case that had a rear output to one side rather than straight out the
back. I could be wrong, but I believe this to be the case. If this true
with what you got, it may make for an interesting drive line angle. If it
isn't true, then just ignore me!! ;-)
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
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56195 From: barry brummett <heinz57yj@y...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:13pm
Subject: Re: Re: Help/advice needed with gear install problem
James, I don't under estimate the power of the anyone. Remember I am a member of this group as well as two other 4 wheel drive clubs. I will, however, not pressure a friend on how to run or conduct his business. If I had all the information on this matter, not just one side be it right or wrong I still would not be compelled to to jump into this situation, I feel that it is between consumer and customer. If the AzVJC jumps on a band wagon and boycott Al then let it be so. His reputation and business among the many wheelers that know him will not be hindered and that would include myself.
I do hope that Al and Rick come to an positive solution to this matter.
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56196 From: dirtworks13 <autoprocollision@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:23pm
Subject: m422a1 membership
hay, that was easy but doesn,t someone with power need to bless this
union ? pictures are coming but first some repairs after the "mighty
mite" fell two feet from the vehicle lift it was on . sheet metal
only and after all this is a body shop. as for how i keep it going ,
well lots of mods. such as a v6 buick swap for the origional air-
cooled 4 banger, blazer frt. hubs and chev. van steering box along
with custom frt. steering linkage. so far no running gear problems.
very little rust as most of it is aluminum. my mods. have added a
1000# so far and i weigh in at 2700 #. i didn,t makeup the
name "mighty mite" either. american motors named it. i call it the
polish cadillac
larry
56197 From: Gary MacLaren <gmaclaren@c...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:26pm
Subject: - Permanent user fees in the pipeline
http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=60719
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56198 From: Michael Wixom <h8pvmnt@h...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:32pm
Subject: Re: Re: dual batteries
I did not think you could use an actual ford ignition solenoid, I tried it in my Chevy pick up and it would work for a few days then burn out, I bought one at Isleys RV parts that was rated for continuous duty and it lasted for years. The ford starter solenoids will not hold up to continuous energizing as in charging dual batteries. I now have a painless wiring dual battery set-up in my CJ that is kind of cool it allows switching between batteries for different situations. It cost considerably less than 200.00.
Mike Wixom
85 CJ-7
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Holmes
To: sthomas@architekton.com
Cc: parajeeper ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: dual batteries
Scott:
If you don't subscribe to the isolator setup for dual batteries then it is very simple and inexpensive to utilize a Ford starter solenoid to charge/connect the two batteries together and control when you want to do it. It has been done for years (centuries?) with motor homes and works great. but if someone wants to spend $185-$200 to do it I'll be glad to take their money and set them up. If you look at that set up closely you will see that that is all it is with a ridicules price tag.
Gary Holmes
Scott Thomas wrote:
You still have to buy the dual battery solenoid set up which I believe isaround $185-$200.Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: parajeeper [mailto:pwhhl@yahoo.com]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:04 PMTo: az_vjc@yahoogroups.comSubject: [az_vjc] Re: dual batteriesCan't you just mount it in the rear cargo area behind the seat on acustom tray with long cables running to the other battery? Cheaperthan $500--- In az_vjc@y..., "David Withers" wrote:
get us some pictures-----Original Message-----From: FredTJ [mailto:fredtj@c...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:49 PMTo: Mark Mesalam; David Withers; sthomas@a...;az_vjc@y...Subject: Re: [az_vjc] dual batteriesNever say never ;)I've seen a writeups from a couple of people, who have done it
easily.
Use Optima batteries, as they can be mounted in any position. They
both
used two Optimas (full sized ones), and mounted them on their sides
in
the same location as the stock battery. They fit without much of aproblem. Cheers, Fred----- Original Message -----From: Mark Mesalam To: David Withers ;sthomas@a... ; az_vjc@y...Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 2:36 PMSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesThere isn't room. There is A/C stuff in the way.-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:54 PMTo: sthomas@a...; az_vjc@y...Subject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesI thought there wasn't room to run dual optimas in a TJ with A/C?-----Original Message-----From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:48 PMTo: David WithersSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesDoes having A/C really make that big of a difference on your
electrical
power supply? I can see that having a winch and 15 KC lights make
that
kind of a difference, but A/C. It runs off of your fan belt any
ways.
Just wondering why and if this makes a difference.Thanks,Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 1:31 PMTo: sthomas@a...; az_vjc@y...Subject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesthis is with A/C-----Original Message-----From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:10 PMTo: David WithersSubject: RE: [az_vjc] dual batteriesHey David, I'm not sure if you are just informing people or if you are
buying
this dual battery system. None the less I have seen set up that arecheaper and you choose the batteries that you are going to run, so
you
can run two Optima batteries. If you want more information let me
know
and I'll see if I can dig up the information.Scott Thomas97' Tj-----Original Message-----From: David Withers [mailto:dwithers@a...]Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:06 PMTo: az_vjc@y...Subject: [az_vjc] dual batteriesDual Battery System - Jeep TJ<http://site36773.dellhost.com/cgi-
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56199 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:45pm
Subject: RE: Re: K&N filter upgrade
I recently went back to the stock airbox after running a K&N cone filter
off the airtube for the last 3 years. I was amazed at how much more
power I have when the temperatures are high. I need to fab up some kind
of cold air intake. I'm not a fan of the snorkel so it will be something
different.
Anyway, stay away from that mod. It will not only suck your horsepower
but your gas mileage too.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: robert_j_rogers2 [mailto:robert.rogers@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 12:40 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: K&N filter upgrade
The only problem is that now you are sucking hot engine bay air into
the intake. The filter will also become clogged faster, and also
suseptible to water, a wet filter is very clogged. Portt outside air
into the engine and use a shell to keep the filter clean. THAT will
give you more horsepower and better milage.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "jeepin_in_az" <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> http://www.rockcrawler.com/techreports/tjkn/knsport.asp
>
>
> Found this on JU...
>
>
> Mike Baney
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56200 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:47pm
Subject: RE: Turn Signals
I wired up some CJ lights on the front of my TJ and they work as normal
as it did with the TJ signals. I also installed flush round tail lights
and it is still normal. I think Chris is right.
Scott K
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 4:48 PM
To: parajeeper; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Turn Signals
Most likely they are wired wrong. Do you have both parking and turn
signals working. Joe West's were like this until I pointed out to him
that his were wired wrong. He had assumed that red was power and black
is ground. Not true on the CJ lights. One wire is parking and the other
is turn signal. They ground through the housing. As soon as we wired
them properly, he again had parking lights and the turn signals blinked
at the proper rate.
Hope that helps.
Chris
See - I do know some CJ stuff
> From: "parajeeper" <pwhhl@y...>
> Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2002 19:56:59 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Turn Signals
>
> I recently removed the fenders on my TJ and replaced the stock turn
> signals with the turn signals from a 75 CJ. Now without the stock
> parking lights installed, the signals blink rather fast. I have heard
> that I can put a 5.7 to 8 ohm resisitor pack inline with each signal
> to slow this down. Does anyone have any suggestions on this matter?
>
> Thanks
>
> -- Eric
>
> 2002 TJ
> 1979 CJ
>
>
>
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56201 From: Scott Kruize <scottkruize@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 12, 2002 11:52pm
Subject: RE: OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
Joe,
They sell little electric nose hair trimmers for that kind of problem.
If you don't already have one I'll recommend to Joyce that your kids
pick one up for fathers day. If you do have one, you ought to try using
it more often!
LOL
Scott
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@c...]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:12 PM
To: Azvjc (E-mail)
Subject: [az_vjc] OT: A free smile (for the sick among us)
This.
Just.
Cracks.
Me.
Up.
http://www.nobodyhere.com/justme/nose.html
Joe West
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