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1242 From: David O'Boyle <doboyle@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:18am
Subject: Photo album updated..
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=33345&Auth=false
I updated my photo album, check it out..
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1243 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:49am
Subject: Four wheel shops
thought every one could use this.
http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/orshops/orswest.htm
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1244 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 5:19am
Subject: Re: White tanks (troy)
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> Hey Troy, Let me know what you find out. What I did was go to exit 114 where ya'll met and just crossed the highway north into white tanks area. There looked to be some great 4wheeling everywhere so it is somewhere I would like to go....but...
> I drove into that area to see if I could see any of you or hear ya'll on the cb. Neither happened so that is when I went to the front gate.
> I have the map from the gate here next to me and it has no offroad travel signs all over it. Like I said earlier you might want to check out the topo map at Mesa world of maps, I know the blm land you have to get a permit for. The proving grounds wasn't that large but the white tanks park covered everything else and that's what has the no offroad travel all over it. I would love to go up that big dirt road you see going up the south east side!
>I was looking at the gazetteer and it shows this area as Blm land not state land or forest service land. Just an fyi..
dave
> Nick
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1245 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:43am
Subject: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
* These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
modifications will cause premature wear.
* Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
* The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
last about 10,000 miles.
* Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
* Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1247 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:50am
Subject: Re: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
Thanks Linda for the heads up. What did they charge you for this??
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
* These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
modifications will cause premature wear.
* Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
* The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
last about 10,000 miles.
* Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
* Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1248 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:58am
Subject: Re: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
The total cost was around $300. This included a front end alignment.
Linda
> DougB wrote:
>
> Thanks Linda for the heads up. What did they charge you for this??
>
> Doug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>
> To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
>
> I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
> arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
> took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
> done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
> compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
> him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
> with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
>
> * These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
> modifications will cause premature wear.
> * Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
> the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
> * The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
> last about 10,000 miles.
> * Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
> figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
> bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
> * Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1249 From: <AZVJC@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 10:12pm
Subject: Photos of 9906FR42Bartlett
Greetings!
Dan, your benevolent manager has an album of photos for you to
see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
Here is a message describing the photos:
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Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake along FR-42, June 1999.
I added 5 photos to the list, including a good one of Eric catching air, and of Nick getting towed up the tough hill.
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Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
that they have prepared for you.
Photo Album:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547
AOL Users:
<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547">Click Here</a>
Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
http://www.photopoint.com/
The PhotoPoint server is a free service courtesy of Pantellic
Software. We hope you find it useful!
-PhotoPoint Automated Attendant
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1250 From: <rp0342@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 8:05am
Subject: Re: Photos of 9906FR42Bartlett
Hey,
I kind of like the red jeep on the left side in the group photo! Is that a new style? Or perhaps on XJ which rolled a couple times and rounded out the body!
;-)
Scott Lindsey
'91 Jeep Wannabee, rear lockright, 33X9.5's, smitty nerfs, and the coolest gizmo for the trail, a clinometer!!
<199906170512.caa2167-@a...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=1249
> Greetings!
>
> Dan, your benevolent manager has an album of photos for you to
> see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
>
> Here is a message describing the photos:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake along FR-42, June 1999.
> I added 5 photos to the list, including a good one of Eric catching air, and of Nick getting towed up the tough hill.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
> area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
> that they have prepared for you.
>
> Photo Album:
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547
>
> AOL Users:
> <a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547">Click Here</a>
>
> Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
> are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
>
> If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
> free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
>
> http://www.photopoint.com/
>
> The PhotoPoint server is a free service courtesy of Pantellic
> Software. We hope you find it useful!
>
> -PhotoPoint Automated Attendant
>
>
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1251 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 11:24am
Subject: for the camper
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm
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Jon Loveless
602-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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1252 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:07pm
Subject: About the White Tanks MT.
This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad price to wheel on trust land.
Here is the address to get the permit
1616 West Adams
Phoenix, AZ 85007
Phone is (602) 364-2753
they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the mail or anything.
Well that is about it, hope this helps
Troy 69 waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee
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1253 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:15pm
Subject: Thank you
This is a Thank You to all the people who did the class 4 trail last sunday at the White Tanks Mt. That was my first time rock crawling and I had a blast. All the guys who helped spot for me made it less scary. It was also nice meeting more people from the list. Hope we all can do it again some time soon.
Thank again
Shannon 88 Cherokee
(Tonka)
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1254 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:29pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
Joining the Arizona State Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs will not only get
you a State Land Trust permit, but also information on 4x4 events going on
around the state and the country, road closure information, a larger network
of 4-wheeling folks, and discounts at many 4x4 shops.
If there are any members of the ASA4WDC out on any AZVJC trail rides we
[AZVJC] won't have any trouble.
http://www.asa4wdc.org
I happen to be the Conservation/Environmental Chair for the ASA4WDC and the AZ
Dust Devils 4WDC delegate. I am looking for someone to take over the C/E Chair
since I just don't have time.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
> Troy & Shannon Franks wrote:
>
> This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the
> white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel
> there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a
> family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad
> price to wheel on trust land.
> Here is the address to get the permit
> 1616 West Adams
> Phoenix, AZ 85007
> Phone is (602) 364-2753
> they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the
> mail or anything.
>
> Well that is about it, hope this helps
>
> Troy 69 waggy
> Shannon 88 cherokee
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1255 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
I'm an ASA member, so I have a permit, and I'm planning on going, if this is still on for Sat.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] About the White Tanks MT.
This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad price to wheel on trust land.
Here is the address to get the permit
1616 West Adams
Phoenix, AZ 85007
Phone is (602) 364-2753
they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the mail or anything.
Well that is about it, hope this helps
Troy 69 waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee
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1256 From: <azzonie@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:21pm
Subject: White Tanks
Hello all. I just joined. My home page at http://www.mindspring.com/~azzonie/ has my personal and Jeep info for anyone interested. I need photos for my page. I heard that you guys were planning a trip to White Tanks with a 4.0 trail in mind. I would really like to go if I could.
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1257 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 4:10pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
In a message dated 6/17/99 12:25:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
p14175@e... writes:
> If there are any members of the ASA4WDC out on any AZVJC trail rides we
> [AZVJC] won't have any trouble.
> http://www.asa4wdc.org
What should we bring with us? I got 2 different membership cards when I
joined. But I didn't get any sort of state land use permit with the package.
Is the membership card enough?
-- Dan
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1258 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 8:54pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
Welcome, Joe, glad you decided to join us, Hopefully the others will greet you when they get time. Stay tuned, whomever is leading the trip to the White Tanks will probably start firming up plans tonight or tomorrow. If your interested in what's been happening, go to
http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/%fstart%3d1231
you can log in with your email id and password, and read back to see what everyone has been up to.
----- Original Message -----
From: azzonie@mindspring.com
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks
Hello all. I just joined. My home page at http://www.mindspring.com/~azzonie/ has my personal and Jeep info for anyone interested. I need photos for my page. I heard that you guys were planning a trip to White Tanks with a 4.0 trail in mind. I would really like to go if I could.
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1259 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:05pm
Subject: White Tanks run and welcome
Hello all and welcome to Joe and/or Eric!
Unless I get really inspired tonight or tomorrow night I won't be attending
the Saturday run to the White Tanks. I haven't even had time to do a
post-run inspection on the J-10, much less fix the exhaust. For those of
you who weren't there, I tore part of one exhaust pipe off and crushed the
other, so my truck is not very happy with me at the moment. If I feel up to
it I may just cut off the crushed section on the drivers side pipe and pop
in a set of earplugs for the trip.........don't know yet. If I do go, I
won't be running the class 4 section again. My truck made it through, but
it really should be higher before I do anything like that again.
George Andrews was nice enough to give me the old springs out of his
Cherokee, so in the next couple of weeks I'm going to build up some new
spring packs and get my truck up in the air a little more. Once that's done
and the exhaust is fixed I'll definitely be up for another run through "The
Wash" (we really ought to find out if it has a name).
My thanks go out to Ross, George, Scott, Troy, and all the others who helped
spot for me going through the most difficult section of terrain I've ever
attempted. I wasn't planning on running the class 4 stuff last weekend, but
decided to give it a shot when I saw Shannon taking her Cherokette in. Her
truck (Tonka) and mine are almost identical in rocker and differential
clearance, so I figured that if Tonka could make it, mine could. My truck
has a far smaller departure angle than Tonka does, but I'm used to
that........that's why I call it "The Plow" :-)
Anyway....I had a great time last weekend and I'll try to make it out to
watch and help spot on Saturday.
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
-Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1260 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:44pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
Well not sure who I am talking to, Joseph or Eric, But any way, Sure come on with.. You need a land use permit from the state, because we will be on or pass through State trust land. After that we will be on Fed owned land. Even the White Tanks park ranger had no idea what part is which, but sugests we get State permits just to play it safe.
Nice web site, and looks like you will not have problems running the trail... now the question is, do we have a brave person to try the water fall a mile west of the end of the 4.0 trail end....?
By the way group.. since this is about the only trail we can run in this area, we should just call this the White tanks trail... I will not be scouting anymore trails in the white tanks. The Ranger did point out a nice river west of there that runs from I-10 at Exit 109 and it runs north to Morristown up on Hwy 60... about a 30 mile sandy rocky trek. Being new to the area I will ask, has anyone ever run the Hassayampa river bottom?
Troy
69 Wagoneer
Shannon
88 Cherokee
----- Original Message -----
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To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks
Hello all. I just joined. My home page at http://www.mindspring.com/~azzonie/ has my personal and Jeep info for anyone interested. I need photos for my page. I heard that you guys were planning a trip to White Tanks with a 4.0 trail in mind. I would really like to go if I could.
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1261 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:08pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks run and welcome
Don't feel bad Len, Shannon and I will spot too, Tonka has said it needs a
break.. the pan hard rod that ties the front Axle to the frame has some play
in it, so we don't want want to push it that hard this weekend, but will
have a blast watching and pointing... well heck after 185,000 miles, it just
might be time to replace that thing anyway.
after a good look over this week, we found one dent in the drivers side
rocker pan, but to small to see unless you are look for it.
Need to take some time and do work on Tonka before we take on another 4.0
trail, so we will just watch and take photos this trip.. but would not miss
it for the world.
Troy
> My thanks go out to Ross, George, Scott, Troy, and all the others who
helped
> spot for me going through the most difficult section of terrain I've ever
> attempted. I wasn't planning on running the class 4 stuff last weekend,
but
> decided to give it a shot when I saw Shannon taking her Cherokette in.
Her
> truck (Tonka) and mine are almost identical in rocker and differential
> clearance, so I figured that if Tonka could make it, mine could. My truck
> has a far smaller departure angle than Tonka does, but I'm used to
> that........that's why I call it "The Plow" :-)
>
> Anyway....I had a great time last weekend and I'll try to make it out to
> watch and help spot on Saturday.
>
>
> -Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
> -FSJ List Administrator
> -Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1262 From: <jimsmith@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:17pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
You will not need a land use permit as long as somebody in the group has one. If they are a member of the state 4X4 org(sorry I can't remember the formal name) they have one. I will try to make it, but need the directions and meeting time.
Chili Dawg
>You need a land use permit from the state, because we will be on or pass through State trust land. After that we will be on Fed owned land. Even the White Tanks park ranger had no idea what part is which, but sugests we get State permits just to play it safe.
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1242 From: David O'Boyle <doboyle@s...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:18am
Subject: Photo album updated..
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=33345&Auth=false
I updated my photo album, check it out..
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1243 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 3:49am
Subject: Four wheel shops
thought every one could use this.
http://www.4x44u.com/pub/k2/orshops/orswest.htm
dave
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1244 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 5:19am
Subject: Re: White tanks (troy)
<002701beb7a5$5dcdae40$a8ac7cc-@nnote> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=1234
> Hey Troy, Let me know what you find out. What I did was go to exit 114 where ya'll met and just crossed the highway north into white tanks area. There looked to be some great 4wheeling everywhere so it is somewhere I would like to go....but...
> I drove into that area to see if I could see any of you or hear ya'll on the cb. Neither happened so that is when I went to the front gate.
> I have the map from the gate here next to me and it has no offroad travel signs all over it. Like I said earlier you might want to check out the topo map at Mesa world of maps, I know the blm land you have to get a permit for. The proving grounds wasn't that large but the white tanks park covered everything else and that's what has the no offroad travel all over it. I would love to go up that big dirt road you see going up the south east side!
>I was looking at the gazetteer and it shows this area as Blm land not state land or forest service land. Just an fyi..
dave
> Nick
>
> nnote@n... (Main Address)
> nnote@j...
> icq# 16440647
>
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1245 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:43am
Subject: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
* These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
modifications will cause premature wear.
* Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
* The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
last about 10,000 miles.
* Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
* Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1247 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:50am
Subject: Re: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
Thanks Linda for the heads up. What did they charge you for this??
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:40 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
* These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
modifications will cause premature wear.
* Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
* The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
last about 10,000 miles.
* Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
* Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1248 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 8:58am
Subject: Re: TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
The total cost was around $300. This included a front end alignment.
Linda
> DougB wrote:
>
> Thanks Linda for the heads up. What did they charge you for this??
>
> Doug
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Linda Luik <p14175@email.sps.mot.com>
> To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 8:40 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ/XJ/ZJ front suspension bushings
>
> I got the bushings replaced. The bushings are located where the upper control
> arms are attached to the front axle. I decided against doing it myself and
> took it to Darner instead. The mechanic who performed the work said he has
> done about 15 bush replacements and he hated every one of them! Darner uses a
> compact press with a 6ft lever to remove and install these bushings. It took
> him about 5 hours to do the job. I learned a couple of things that you all
> with TJ/XJ/ZJs might want to be aware of:
>
> * These bushings should last the life of the vehicle, but suspension
> modifications will cause premature wear.
> * Don't even try to do this job yourself unless you have plenty of time and
> the proper tools. You can't press these bushings on/off with basic tools.
> * The bushings need to be pressed on. If they are hammered on expect them to
> last about 10,000 miles.
> * Suspension modifications may shorten the life of the bushings. The mechanic
> figured that I might get 20,000 miles out of the new ones. This means the
> bushings will probably be getting replaced every 2 years.
> * Make sure you check these for wear once or twice a year.
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1249 From: <AZVJC@a...>
Date: Wed Jun 16, 1999 10:12pm
Subject: Photos of 9906FR42Bartlett
Greetings!
Dan, your benevolent manager has an album of photos for you to
see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
Here is a message describing the photos:
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Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake along FR-42, June 1999.
I added 5 photos to the list, including a good one of Eric catching air, and of Nick getting towed up the tough hill.
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Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
that they have prepared for you.
Photo Album:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547
AOL Users:
<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547">Click Here</a>
Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
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The PhotoPoint server is a free service courtesy of Pantellic
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1250 From: <rp0342@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 8:05am
Subject: Re: Photos of 9906FR42Bartlett
Hey,
I kind of like the red jeep on the left side in the group photo! Is that a new style? Or perhaps on XJ which rolled a couple times and rounded out the body!
;-)
Scott Lindsey
'91 Jeep Wannabee, rear lockright, 33X9.5's, smitty nerfs, and the coolest gizmo for the trail, a clinometer!!
<199906170512.caa2167-@a...> wrote:
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> Greetings!
>
> Dan, your benevolent manager has an album of photos for you to
> see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
>
> Here is a message describing the photos:
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake along FR-42, June 1999.
> I added 5 photos to the list, including a good one of Eric catching air, and of Nick getting towed up the tough hill.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
> area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
> that they have prepared for you.
>
> Photo Album:
> http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547
>
> AOL Users:
> <a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547">Click Here</a>
>
> Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
> are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
>
> If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
> free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
>
> http://www.photopoint.com/
>
> The PhotoPoint server is a free service courtesy of Pantellic
> Software. We hope you find it useful!
>
> -PhotoPoint Automated Attendant
>
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1251 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 11:24am
Subject: for the camper
http://www.bumperdumper.com/bumper2.htm
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Jon Loveless
602-816-6240
jloveless@earthlink.net
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1252 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:07pm
Subject: About the White Tanks MT.
This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad price to wheel on trust land.
Here is the address to get the permit
1616 West Adams
Phoenix, AZ 85007
Phone is (602) 364-2753
they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the mail or anything.
Well that is about it, hope this helps
Troy 69 waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee
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1253 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:15pm
Subject: Thank you
This is a Thank You to all the people who did the class 4 trail last sunday at the White Tanks Mt. That was my first time rock crawling and I had a blast. All the guys who helped spot for me made it less scary. It was also nice meeting more people from the list. Hope we all can do it again some time soon.
Thank again
Shannon 88 Cherokee
(Tonka)
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1254 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:29pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
Joining the Arizona State Association of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs will not only get
you a State Land Trust permit, but also information on 4x4 events going on
around the state and the country, road closure information, a larger network
of 4-wheeling folks, and discounts at many 4x4 shops.
If there are any members of the ASA4WDC out on any AZVJC trail rides we
[AZVJC] won't have any trouble.
http://www.asa4wdc.org
I happen to be the Conservation/Environmental Chair for the ASA4WDC and the AZ
Dust Devils 4WDC delegate. I am looking for someone to take over the C/E Chair
since I just don't have time.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
> Troy & Shannon Franks wrote:
>
> This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the
> white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel
> there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a
> family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad
> price to wheel on trust land.
> Here is the address to get the permit
> 1616 West Adams
> Phoenix, AZ 85007
> Phone is (602) 364-2753
> they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the
> mail or anything.
>
> Well that is about it, hope this helps
>
> Troy 69 waggy
> Shannon 88 cherokee
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1255 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
I'm an ASA member, so I have a permit, and I'm planning on going, if this is still on for Sat.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:11 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] About the White Tanks MT.
This is Shannon (Troys wife)..we went and talked to the ranger at the white tanks mountain park yesterday, and he told us in order to wheel there you must have a Trust land permit. The permits are $20 for a family, and $15 for an individual and its good for a year. Not a bad price to wheel on trust land.
Here is the address to get the permit
1616 West Adams
Phoenix, AZ 85007
Phone is (602) 364-2753
they will give you the permit right there, no waiting for it in the mail or anything.
Well that is about it, hope this helps
Troy 69 waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee
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1256 From: <azzonie@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 6:21pm
Subject: White Tanks
Hello all. I just joined. My home page at http://www.mindspring.com/~azzonie/ has my personal and Jeep info for anyone interested. I need photos for my page. I heard that you guys were planning a trip to White Tanks with a 4.0 trail in mind. I would really like to go if I could.
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1257 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 4:10pm
Subject: Re: About the White Tanks MT.
In a message dated 6/17/99 12:25:20 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
p14175@e... writes:
> If there are any members of the ASA4WDC out on any AZVJC trail rides we
> [AZVJC] won't have any trouble.
> http://www.asa4wdc.org
What should we bring with us? I got 2 different membership cards when I
joined. But I didn't get any sort of state land use permit with the package.
Is the membership card enough?
-- Dan
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1258 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 8:54pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
Welcome, Joe, glad you decided to join us, Hopefully the others will greet you when they get time. Stay tuned, whomever is leading the trip to the White Tanks will probably start firming up plans tonight or tomorrow. If your interested in what's been happening, go to
http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/%fstart%3d1231
you can log in with your email id and password, and read back to see what everyone has been up to.
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To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks
Hello all. I just joined. My home page at http://www.mindspring.com/~azzonie/ has my personal and Jeep info for anyone interested. I need photos for my page. I heard that you guys were planning a trip to White Tanks with a 4.0 trail in mind. I would really like to go if I could.
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1259 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:05pm
Subject: White Tanks run and welcome
Hello all and welcome to Joe and/or Eric!
Unless I get really inspired tonight or tomorrow night I won't be attending
the Saturday run to the White Tanks. I haven't even had time to do a
post-run inspection on the J-10, much less fix the exhaust. For those of
you who weren't there, I tore part of one exhaust pipe off and crushed the
other, so my truck is not very happy with me at the moment. If I feel up to
it I may just cut off the crushed section on the drivers side pipe and pop
in a set of earplugs for the trip.........don't know yet. If I do go, I
won't be running the class 4 section again. My truck made it through, but
it really should be higher before I do anything like that again.
George Andrews was nice enough to give me the old springs out of his
Cherokee, so in the next couple of weeks I'm going to build up some new
spring packs and get my truck up in the air a little more. Once that's done
and the exhaust is fixed I'll definitely be up for another run through "The
Wash" (we really ought to find out if it has a name).
My thanks go out to Ross, George, Scott, Troy, and all the others who helped
spot for me going through the most difficult section of terrain I've ever
attempted. I wasn't planning on running the class 4 stuff last weekend, but
decided to give it a shot when I saw Shannon taking her Cherokette in. Her
truck (Tonka) and mine are almost identical in rocker and differential
clearance, so I figured that if Tonka could make it, mine could. My truck
has a far smaller departure angle than Tonka does, but I'm used to
that........that's why I call it "The Plow" :-)
Anyway....I had a great time last weekend and I'll try to make it out to
watch and help spot on Saturday.
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
-Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1260 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 9:44pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
Well not sure who I am talking to, Joseph or Eric, But any way, Sure come on with.. You need a land use permit from the state, because we will be on or pass through State trust land. After that we will be on Fed owned land. Even the White Tanks park ranger had no idea what part is which, but sugests we get State permits just to play it safe.
Nice web site, and looks like you will not have problems running the trail... now the question is, do we have a brave person to try the water fall a mile west of the end of the 4.0 trail end....?
By the way group.. since this is about the only trail we can run in this area, we should just call this the White tanks trail... I will not be scouting anymore trails in the white tanks. The Ranger did point out a nice river west of there that runs from I-10 at Exit 109 and it runs north to Morristown up on Hwy 60... about a 30 mile sandy rocky trek. Being new to the area I will ask, has anyone ever run the Hassayampa river bottom?
Troy
69 Wagoneer
Shannon
88 Cherokee
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Subject: [az_vjc] White Tanks
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1261 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:08pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks run and welcome
Don't feel bad Len, Shannon and I will spot too, Tonka has said it needs a
break.. the pan hard rod that ties the front Axle to the frame has some play
in it, so we don't want want to push it that hard this weekend, but will
have a blast watching and pointing... well heck after 185,000 miles, it just
might be time to replace that thing anyway.
after a good look over this week, we found one dent in the drivers side
rocker pan, but to small to see unless you are look for it.
Need to take some time and do work on Tonka before we take on another 4.0
trail, so we will just watch and take photos this trip.. but would not miss
it for the world.
Troy
> My thanks go out to Ross, George, Scott, Troy, and all the others who
helped
> spot for me going through the most difficult section of terrain I've ever
> attempted. I wasn't planning on running the class 4 stuff last weekend,
but
> decided to give it a shot when I saw Shannon taking her Cherokette in.
Her
> truck (Tonka) and mine are almost identical in rocker and differential
> clearance, so I figured that if Tonka could make it, mine could. My truck
> has a far smaller departure angle than Tonka does, but I'm used to
> that........that's why I call it "The Plow" :-)
>
> Anyway....I had a great time last weekend and I'll try to make it out to
> watch and help spot on Saturday.
>
>
> -Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
> -FSJ List Administrator
> -Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1262 From: <jimsmith@p...>
Date: Thu Jun 17, 1999 10:17pm
Subject: Re: White Tanks
You will not need a land use permit as long as somebody in the group has one. If they are a member of the state 4X4 org(sorry I can't remember the formal name) they have one. I will try to make it, but need the directions and meeting time.
Chili Dawg
>You need a land use permit from the state, because we will be on or pass through State trust land. After that we will be on Fed owned land. Even the White Tanks park ranger had no idea what part is which, but sugests we get State permits just to play it safe.
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