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1201 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 0:08pm
Subject: AZ-VJC Photo Album web site
All,
FYI,
You can check out all of our trip photos in one place, with a different album
for each trip, at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
I just added the Bartlett/Horseshoe trip from Saturday with Jon's photos -
always first with that digital camera. Thanks Jon. I'll be uploading a few of
mine later in the week. Anyone else can upload, just let me know when you do
and I'll move them to an album.
-- Dan
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1202 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 3:10pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Sorry buddy, we had a great run and fun. Better that it went on the flat land then with two tires in the air and a third buried in the sand, at a 30 degree angle. You get to lead next time. Nice bunch of people you hooked up with, we look forward to another trip.....
PS: looking hard for axels and lockers........
Ross Skinner/84-CJ7[Lil' Deb
William Mish wrote:
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.Later.Wildcat
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1203 From: David Ross <davydross@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 0:32pm
Subject: Repair Info
I have a 82 CJ-7 and I am having a hell of a time
getting it back on the road. I was wondering if
anyone knew of a decent, low priced mechanic that
deals alot with Jeeps? The one I was using has moved
and I need another. I would perfer info on places on
the west side of town (I'm located at 67th and
Glendale). As soon as I can get the work done I'll be
on the trail with ya'll
Thanks!!
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1204 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 0:18pm
Subject: Welcome new members!
Looks like we got a quite few new members over the last couple of months; we
are up to 114! Welcome! This makes us by far the largest single group of
4x4 enthusiasts in Arizona!
We have people with all levels of experience. Some of you may never have taken
your Jeep off-road and you're looking for a fairly easy trail to get your feet
wet. There are good trails out there for this. Some of you may be bored with
anything less than Class 4. Good trails for that too.
Some of you are more interested in hunting down remote ghost towns, or perhaps
rockhounding, or camping in remote areas. A lot of us have these interests
too.
So drop us a line and tell us where you are located and what kind of trail
runs you want to try, and what kind of Jeep you have. If you want to try a
particular trail, post it and a proposed date. Our trail runs typically have
from 2 to 10 Jeeps involved (and more people). The longer the advanced notice,
the more people tend to come. Family and pets are welcome too.
We typically do 1 or 2 major runs a month, and sometimes several smaller
wildcat runs someone may think up on short notice. So if Thursday you have a
hankerin' to go four wheeling, post a note and you'll probably get a few to
come with you. We have been labeled as "The Wildcat Bunch". We highly
recommend you don't go out on trails alone.
Check out our archives at:
http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/.
You will find past trail reports and upcoming plans.
Be sure to check out our web site at:
http://members.tripod.com/Yucca_man/azjeep/azjeep.htm
You can check out all of our trip photos in one place, with a different album
for each trip, at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
And check out my site at:
http://members.aol.com/Revolvr
At these sites you will find recommendations for minimum safety and
communications equipment, trail ratings explained and equipment expected, and
information on what few rules we have.
-- Dan (your benevolent mail list manager)
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1205 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 4:38pm
Subject: Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I will write this one for my wife... with her help.... but the next time she drives, she can do the bloody thing herself..... ;)
Now lets see if the sun baked my brain to much.. we met at the Love's gas station around 8AM.. I think we had a great showing too.. the list is... 1XJ, 2 TJ's, 1 SJ Cherokee, 1 J10 pickup, a Chevy Z71, and a Nissan p/u. (picking up a CJ at the sand hills Ross Skinner. who will be joining the AZ-VJC soon) Willam Mish was there too, but toasted something in his drive train and packed it back up on the trailer and had to head home.
We played a few minutes on the sand hill, but since I and the wife wanted to go to harder stuff, we headed up the trail. Went up the easy wash to the class 4, and just turned into a trail run. We got to the start, and agreed (told?) Scott (TJ) that since he had the best setup truck, we would "let" him take the first shot at it. The Flex in his TJ was just awesome, he made trails look easy, followed up be George in his new paint job, followed up by my wife unit then Ross and Len doing the tail end charle thing..
The first real obstical was a pinch point v cut into living rock.... the thing would have stopped a hummer dead, and a tank would turn turtle, but a dirt bike would have made it easy. The fun part about it was that right in the exit of the pinch was a bolder the size of a suit case sitting right in the middle of the trail... most the Jeeps got through it with out much problem, but len had to take a interesting line.... Man you really need more lift... took the whole group a good 3 hours to go the 1/2 mile trail, but was well worth the time...
I must toot the wife's wistle here... She did a GREAT job, other then a scratch or two on the bottom side, and a scrape or two from a tree or two no damage to Tonka. The guys on the trip kept coming up to me or her and saying what a great job she was doing.. and since this was her first time rock crawling, you must all give her a hand the next time you see her. I was worried about her 88 XJ (4 inch lift, 31 X 10.5's on 15X8" rims) making this trail, but (tonka) was a real great trail truck.. it needs one more inch of lift, and a locker in the rear at least.
Next weekend will be the real run......... So .......we need more AZ-VJC member to show up. the trail is not to bad and will challange all those who come. If the wife's XJ can make it I am sure a little lifted CJ/TJ... ETC can make this trail.. but it will be real slow at points.
Two thumbs up to the trail spotters, and friendly laughs and coments. Was a real nice crew of Jeepers who came out to have some fun on the rocks, throw some sand, and talk lines up rocks.
hope to see you all out there on the 19th for one more go at it... and we must talk the wife unit into doing the driving again...
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer (papa Tonka)
Shannon Franks
88 XJ cherokee (Tonka)
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1206 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 6:57pm
Subject: postal jeep
There is a fellow down the street from me who has an old Postal Jeep
sitting on the street for sale. It is a white '72 with new tranny and
rebuilt engine. Not in bad shape outside but bad interior. It looks like it
was used to carry mail?? ;-) I don't know much about them but he wants
$2200 for it and it has been there for 8-10 months. So, my first guess is
that he is asking too much. It might be a fun restoration project, but is
it worth it? Is anyone interested? If so I will get the phone number etc. I
think these rigs are 2 wheel drive but they have the cool sliding doors and
some of the old classic jeep look.
Jon
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1207 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I had an excellent time on this one. I have to tip my hat to your wife. She did an excellent job driving a basically stock XJ w/31's thru the wash. I really was looking forward to seeing Wildcat's CJ3B in action. Hopefully he'll have the tranny problem worked out and be on the trails soon. After leading Saturday's run from Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake I was content to ease into the pack on this one. But somehow you all 'volunteered' me to go first thru the class 4. George's SJ looked great with the new mandarin orange paint job. After watching George's rig I think the most heard line of the day was "lockers...gotta get me some"
I'll probably not make it next week. Need to stay home and get some work done after doing 2 runs this weekend. For those of you looking for rocker protection I finally managed to test out the Sun Performance rocker guards I've had on over the last few runs. I finally found a boulder big enough to hit them with and I'd say they just paid for themselves :)
Thanks to all of you for a great time.
Scott Kruize
OSMTJ@psn.net
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From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I will write this one for my wife... with her help.... but the next time she drives, she can do the bloody thing herself..... ;)
Now lets see if the sun baked my brain to much.. we met at the Love's gas station around 8AM.. I think we had a great showing too.. the list is... 1XJ, 2 TJ's, 1 SJ Cherokee, 1 J10 pickup, a Chevy Z71, and a Nissan p/u. (picking up a CJ at the sand hills Ross Skinner. who will be joining the AZ-VJC soon) Willam Mish was there too, but toasted something in his drive train and packed it back up on the trailer and had to head home.
We played a few minutes on the sand hill, but since I and the wife wanted to go to harder stuff, we headed up the trail. Went up the easy wash to the class 4, and just turned into a trail run. We got to the start, and agreed (told?) Scott (TJ) that since he had the best setup truck, we would "let" him take the first shot at it. The Flex in his TJ was just awesome, he made trails look easy, followed up be George in his new paint job, followed up by my wife unit then Ross and Len doing the tail end charle thing..
The first real obstical was a pinch point v cut into living rock.... the thing would have stopped a hummer dead, and a tank would turn turtle, but a dirt bike would have made it easy. The fun part about it was that right in the exit of the pinch was a bolder the size of a suit case sitting right in the middle of the trail... most the Jeeps got through it with out much problem, but len had to take a interesting line.... Man you really need more lift... took the whole group a good 3 hours to go the 1/2 mile trail, but was well worth the time...
I must toot the wife's wistle here... She did a GREAT job, other then a scratch or two on the bottom side, and a scrape or two from a tree or two no damage to Tonka. The guys on the trip kept coming up to me or her and saying what a great job she was doing.. and since this was her first time rock crawling, you must all give her a hand the next time you see her. I was worried about her 88 XJ (4 inch lift, 31 X 10.5's on 15X8" rims) making this trail, but (tonka) was a real great trail truck.. it needs one more inch of lift, and a locker in the rear at least.
Next weekend will be the real run......... So .......we need more AZ-VJC member to show up. the trail is not to bad and will challange all those who come. If the wife's XJ can make it I am sure a little lifted CJ/TJ... ETC can make this trail.. but it will be real slow at points.
Two thumbs up to the trail spotters, and friendly laughs and coments. Was a real nice crew of Jeepers who came out to have some fun on the rocks, throw some sand, and talk lines up rocks.
hope to see you all out there on the 19th for one more go at it... and we must talk the wife unit into doing the driving again...
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer (papa Tonka)
Shannon Franks
88 XJ cherokee (Tonka)
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1208 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:29pm
Subject: White tanks
Me and a buddy were out near white tanks today so we thought we would drop by to see if we would run into anyone. We turned on the scanner to check channel 4 but didn't here anyone. Anyways, we went around to the front gate on the east side and talked to the ranger there. This is the part ya gota pay attention to...
He showed us a topo map of white tanks. There is NO four wheeling allowed anywhere in the area. If you wander into the proving grounds the military will catch ya with their helicopters and handcuff you. $400 dollars and a night in jail. If you wander into the BLM land you will be arrested by the sherriff. If you wander into the private land you are subject to tresspassing charges. There was NO public land on the map, it was all either proving grounds, private or BLM land. He said there are line of sight sensors all throughout the area, able to distinguish between vehicle and animals. All this is straight from the rangers mouth. Anyways, we went to Mesa world of maps and pulled out the white tank topo's and confirmed that there is no public land there. Ya'll can make your own decisions but I think the only thing I'll be doing in that area is hiking on the designated trails, and not tell winter....If ya want you can go to the front gate and talk to the ranger and check out the maps they have up there. It is clearly marked on the maps but nowhere within the land itself.
Nick
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1209 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:57pm
Subject: Re: White tanks
HUMMM lots and lots of guys out there who would be arested.. shooting guns, and riding bikes, and wheeling...ETC ETC...
Where is this ranger station? I don't even now where it is.
Troy
69 Waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee...
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From: nnote
To: az jeep virtual
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White tanks
Me and a buddy were out near white tanks today so we thought we would drop by to see if we would run into anyone. We turned on the scanner to check channel 4 but didn't here anyone. Anyways, we went around to the front gate on the east side and talked to the ranger there. This is the part ya gota pay attention to...
He showed us a topo map of white tanks. There is NO four wheeling allowed anywhere in the area. If you wander into the proving grounds the military will catch ya with their helicopters and handcuff you. $400 dollars and a night in jail. If you wander into the BLM land you will be arrested by the sherriff. If you wander into the private land you are subject to tresspassing charges. There was NO public land on the map, it was all either proving grounds, private or BLM land. He said there are line of sight sensors all throughout the area, able to distinguish between vehicle and animals. All this is straight from the rangers mouth. Anyways, we went to Mesa world of maps and pulled out the white tank topo's and confirmed that there is no public land there. Ya'll can make your own decisions but I think the only thing I'll be doing in that area is hiking on the designated trails, and not tell winter....If ya want you can go to the front gate and talk to the ranger and check out the maps they have up there. It is clearly marked on the maps but nowhere within the land itself.
Nick
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1210 From: David O'Boyle <doboyle@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:02pm
Subject: Re: what a week Part II
Brian,
I had a pulley lock up on me last week before the trail42 run and the heater
control valve busted under the preassure. I noticed on the way home from
turning around on the trail because my rig and I were not up to the task of
tackeling the all mighty hill climb. that every time I would start climbing
a hill on the way out of Bartlett my A/c would almost shutoff. I mean the
blower keept going but it was not blowing out of the front it was comming
from the top of the dash. Do you think that when I took out the heater
control valve out and put in two connecters, this is causing the problem?
Thanks
Dave 93xj sport
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From: boh105@u... <boh105@u...>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] what a week Part II
>sorry......buisness inreruptus......I ordered the new 3
>pass radiator for the 1992 and heater valve.....I also
>needed an overflow bottle and about 7' of 5/8" heater hose.
>
>The change over only took 3 hours from start to finish It
>was a great joy ripping the cooling guts out of my 88 XJ.
>After the conversion the difference is amazing..... it will
>not run over 220*. By replacing the heater valve the ac
>works at least 50% better.
>
>Today I had to tow a 4500lb trailer from prescott to
>Flagstaff through Ashfork. and without a switch for the
>aux. fan, the temp never rose over 240*, and as it rose
>I used the a/c on max to help cool the radiator( the aux
>fan turns on every time the comperssor cycles on..... the
>jeep actually runs cooler with the a/c on.
>
>You can find the article at off-road.com/cherokee america.
>
>hope to ride with you all soon
>
>Brian
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1211 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:14am
Subject: Re: what a week Part II
David,
I've seen that before on my Cherokee as well, and seem to remember some
discussion of it about a year ago on the jeep+willys newsgroup. About
the only time I've noticed the heater or a/c stop blowing (they've both
done it) was on a stretch of I-70 about 20 miles east of where it ends in
Utah. There's a long uphill stretch, and the blower will stop coming out
the dash, and blow just a bit through the top of the dash. I've noticed
that if I let off the gas just a bit, and then get on it again, the
heater/AC starts blowing like normal again. Sounds like a vacuum issue.
Now note, it's only on this one section and again heading eastbound up to
the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado... weird.
Jim
On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:02:26 -0700 "David O'Boyle"
<doboyle@s...> writes:
>Brian,
>I had a pulley lock up on me last week before the trail42 run and the
>heater
>control valve busted under the preassure. I noticed on the way home
>from
>turning around on the trail because my rig and I were not up to the
>task of
>tackeling the all mighty hill climb. that every time I would start
>climbing
>a hill on the way out of Bartlett my A/c would almost shutoff. I mean
>the
>blower keept going but it was not blowing out of the front it was
>comming
>from the top of the dash. Do you think that when I took out the
>heater
>control valve out and put in two connecters, this is causing the
>problem?
>Thanks
>Dave 93xj sport
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1212 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 8:19am
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Sorry to hear about your clutch, but at least it happened before getting on
the trail. I had the clutch fork pivot break free on my old Dodge truck. It
took all of 5 seconds for it to bounce around inside the bellhousing before it
blew a hole through the top! When we finally got a closer look at it, the
bellhousing had 5 large cracks, a hole the size of a creme filled donut on
top, and was twisted like discarded aluminum can! Fortunately I was in town
when it happened.
I started tearing apart the ZJ on Sunday only to discover that among all the
bits and pieces of metal my boyfriend has accumulated over the years there
wasn't a round piece that was the right size for pushing out the old bushing.
Of course, the sleeve that the control bolt goes through moved while I had the
arm off and it took about 3.5 hours to get the control arm back on. The ZJ
will be going into the Jeep dealer to get the bushing replaced. This is going
to be expensive.
Troy: I am thinking about getting an older wagoneer to use as a rat truck. I
need a second vehicle. Would one of those big cruisers be a good choice? It
might be used to haul a trailer once in a while too.
Linda
> Troy & Shannon Franks wrote:
>
> Well bill you missed a real nice trail... had 5 or 6 Jeeps run up the
> class 4 and like 3 take the chicken trail.... get it fixed, and we
> will have a run at it on saturday the 19th. Now that Shannon (my wife
> has run it, we need to get linda to get that jeep fixed and all try it
> again... Got hot there at the end.. glad to be home in the A/C
>
> Troy Franks
> 69 Wagoneer
> Shannon Franks
> 88 Cherokee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Mish
> To: Ross W Skinner ; AZ_VJC
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fragged Clutch
>
> Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never
> made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough,
> go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White
> Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster
> struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding
> and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first,
> it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer
> inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of
> the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to
> actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much
> noise without at least the pressure plate being completely
> nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to
> wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while
> everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting
> tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that
> this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I
> hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in
> a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from
> the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you,
> mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
> Later.
> Wildcat
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1213 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:45pm
Subject: more Bartlett to Horseshoe pics
I have captured another 30 pictures from the video that I did of Saturday's
run. They are here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=266293
I included them in with the other B2H pix so look for driver names as follows:
dan1 - dan5
ekool1 - ekool4
jeff1 - jeff7
lunch1 - lunch3
nick1 - nick6
scott1 - scott6
These are not as high quality as those directly from the digital camera,
but if any of you want the video in MPEG format I will put it on a CD for
you. There is about 120 MB of MPEG files which is about 15 minutes of
video. Email me your address and I will mail you the CD. You can view them
with Windows Media Player or the like.
Dan - do you want me to send these to the azvjc photo site also??
Jon
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1214 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:52pm
Subject: W. Tanks
I talked to the ranger their at the White Tanks park entrance on the east side. He said they don't bother much with people on foot but anyone operating a motor vehicle is a target. He admitted it all depended on the rangers mood of the day.
Nick
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1215 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 1:21pm
Subject: State Trust Land info
The following information is from the AZ Game and Fish Department, and covers
what State Trust Lands are and what you need to do before you can travel on
this land.
I believe membership in the ASA4WDC covers your state land recreational
permit (Linda, can you clarify?) that is discussed below. I highly recommend
everyone become an individual member of ASA4WDC if you are not already via
another club membership.
The ASA4WDC web site is at:
http://www.asa4wdc.org/
The Game & Fish web site is at:
http://www.gf.state.az.us/
Lots of good stuff there.
-- Dan
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What is State Trust Land?
State Trust Land is land that was granted to Arizona by the federal
government when Arizona became a state in 1912. Trust lands total
approximately 9.4 million acres and are managed by the State Land Department.
The land is held in trust by the State of Arizona, and by law, must be used
to generate revenue to fund public schools, universities and other state
institutions. State Trust Land is NOT public land. You must have a permit to
be on State Trust Land.
Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land?
Yes. You must have a recreation permit or a hunting or fishing license to be
on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you are
actively engaged in hunting or fishing.
Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are
issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is
$15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00.
Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They
require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time.
You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land
Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit
applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal
business hours by calling (602) 542-4631.
Rules to follow on State Trust Land
Most state land is already leased to someone. When recreating on state land,
please keep in mind that someone else is trying to make a living from that
land.
* Leave gates the way you find them, either open or closed.
* Vehicles must travel on existing roads and trails.
* Camp at least 1/4 mile from any livestock or wildlife water
catchments, tanks, etc.
* Obey posted signs, respect closed areas.
* If you pack it in - pack it out, don't liter.
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1216 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
> Troy: I am thinking about getting an older wagoneer to use as a rat truck.
I
> need a second vehicle. Would one of those big cruisers be a good choice?
It
> might be used to haul a trailer once in a while too.
>
>
> Linda
Heck yes, they ride like caddys, and off road like a Jeep, will pull a
trailer like a bull. BUT be ready for a fuel hog. Like most big trucks you
will be lucky if you get anything over 15 MPG. Rat Truck? as for hauling a
trailer, it will pull a real good weight and do it with no problems.
Got any Questions, or need someone to look one over for you let me know.
Troy
69 Wagoneer
Shannon
88 Cherokee
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1217 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 6:58pm
Subject: Re: State Trust Land info
BRAVO!! Well done. You are a very resourceful individual. Be Good.
Later.
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To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 5:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] State Trust Land info
>
> The following information is from the AZ Game and Fish Department, and
covers
> what State Trust Lands are and what you need to do before you can travel
on
> this land.
>
> I believe membership in the ASA4WDC covers your state land recreational
> permit (Linda, can you clarify?) that is discussed below. I highly
recommend
> everyone become an individual member of ASA4WDC if you are not already via
> another club membership.
>
> The ASA4WDC web site is at:
>
> http://www.asa4wdc.org/
>
> The Game & Fish web site is at:
>
> http://www.gf.state.az.us/
>
> Lots of good stuff there.
>
> -- Dan
> ------------------------------------------
> What is State Trust Land?
>
> State Trust Land is land that was granted to Arizona by the federal
> government when Arizona became a state in 1912. Trust lands total
> approximately 9.4 million acres and are managed by the State Land
Department.
> The land is held in trust by the State of Arizona, and by law, must be
used
> to generate revenue to fund public schools, universities and other state
> institutions. State Trust Land is NOT public land. You must have a permit
to
> be on State Trust Land.
>
> Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land?
>
> Yes. You must have a recreation permit or a hunting or fishing license to
be
> on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you
are
> actively engaged in hunting or fishing.
>
> Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are
> issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is
> $15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00.
>
> Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They
> require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time.
>
> You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land
> Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit
> applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal
> business hours by calling (602) 542-4631.
>
> Rules to follow on State Trust Land
>
> Most state land is already leased to someone. When recreating on state
land,
> please keep in mind that someone else is trying to make a living from that
> land.
>
> * Leave gates the way you find them, either open or closed.
> * Vehicles must travel on existing roads and trails.
> * Camp at least 1/4 mile from any livestock or wildlife water
> catchments, tanks, etc.
> * Obey posted signs, respect closed areas.
> * If you pack it in - pack it out, don't liter.
>
>
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1218 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:12pm
Subject: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
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To: Yucca-man@j...
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
Subject: AZ_VJC Suggestions
Message-ID: <3764615C.C9A934D1@h...>
Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
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1219 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I've done some trails up on the Rim, but nothing challenging. I'd be very interested in heading up to the cooler climate real soon for some camping and trail fun, but don't know any good trails. Any ideas?
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To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
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Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
boh105@usa.net
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1220 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:47pm
Subject: Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I'm game for a run up north. I wouldn't mind camping out either. Looking for
at least a class 3, preferably 4.
Scott Kruize
OSMTJ@p...
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From: DougB <daballard@p...>
To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>; James A Langdon
<yucca-man@j...>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I've done some trails up on the Rim, but nothing challenging. I'd be very
interested in heading up to the cooler climate real soon for some camping
and trail fun, but don't know any good trails. Any ideas?
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To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
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: WILL WORK FOR : http://members.tripod.com/~Yucca_man/azjeep
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To: Yucca-man@j...
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
Subject: AZ_VJC Suggestions
Message-ID: <3764615C.C9A934D1@h...>
Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
boh105@u...
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1201 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 0:08pm
Subject: AZ-VJC Photo Album web site
All,
FYI,
You can check out all of our trip photos in one place, with a different album
for each trip, at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
I just added the Bartlett/Horseshoe trip from Saturday with Jon's photos -
always first with that digital camera. Thanks Jon. I'll be uploading a few of
mine later in the week. Anyone else can upload, just let me know when you do
and I'll move them to an album.
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1202 From: Ross Skinner <rskinner@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 3:10pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Sorry buddy, we had a great run and fun. Better that it went on the flat land then with two tires in the air and a third buried in the sand, at a 30 degree angle. You get to lead next time. Nice bunch of people you hooked up with, we look forward to another trip.....
PS: looking hard for axels and lockers........
Ross Skinner/84-CJ7[Lil' Deb
William Mish wrote:
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.Later.Wildcat
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1203 From: David Ross <davydross@y...>
Date: Mon Jun 7, 1999 0:32pm
Subject: Repair Info
I have a 82 CJ-7 and I am having a hell of a time
getting it back on the road. I was wondering if
anyone knew of a decent, low priced mechanic that
deals alot with Jeeps? The one I was using has moved
and I need another. I would perfer info on places on
the west side of town (I'm located at 67th and
Glendale). As soon as I can get the work done I'll be
on the trail with ya'll
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1204 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 0:18pm
Subject: Welcome new members!
Looks like we got a quite few new members over the last couple of months; we
are up to 114! Welcome! This makes us by far the largest single group of
4x4 enthusiasts in Arizona!
We have people with all levels of experience. Some of you may never have taken
your Jeep off-road and you're looking for a fairly easy trail to get your feet
wet. There are good trails out there for this. Some of you may be bored with
anything less than Class 4. Good trails for that too.
Some of you are more interested in hunting down remote ghost towns, or perhaps
rockhounding, or camping in remote areas. A lot of us have these interests
too.
So drop us a line and tell us where you are located and what kind of trail
runs you want to try, and what kind of Jeep you have. If you want to try a
particular trail, post it and a proposed date. Our trail runs typically have
from 2 to 10 Jeeps involved (and more people). The longer the advanced notice,
the more people tend to come. Family and pets are welcome too.
We typically do 1 or 2 major runs a month, and sometimes several smaller
wildcat runs someone may think up on short notice. So if Thursday you have a
hankerin' to go four wheeling, post a note and you'll probably get a few to
come with you. We have been labeled as "The Wildcat Bunch". We highly
recommend you don't go out on trails alone.
Check out our archives at:
http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/.
You will find past trail reports and upcoming plans.
Be sure to check out our web site at:
http://members.tripod.com/Yucca_man/azjeep/azjeep.htm
You can check out all of our trip photos in one place, with a different album
for each trip, at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
And check out my site at:
http://members.aol.com/Revolvr
At these sites you will find recommendations for minimum safety and
communications equipment, trail ratings explained and equipment expected, and
information on what few rules we have.
-- Dan (your benevolent mail list manager)
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1205 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 4:38pm
Subject: Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I will write this one for my wife... with her help.... but the next time she drives, she can do the bloody thing herself..... ;)
Now lets see if the sun baked my brain to much.. we met at the Love's gas station around 8AM.. I think we had a great showing too.. the list is... 1XJ, 2 TJ's, 1 SJ Cherokee, 1 J10 pickup, a Chevy Z71, and a Nissan p/u. (picking up a CJ at the sand hills Ross Skinner. who will be joining the AZ-VJC soon) Willam Mish was there too, but toasted something in his drive train and packed it back up on the trailer and had to head home.
We played a few minutes on the sand hill, but since I and the wife wanted to go to harder stuff, we headed up the trail. Went up the easy wash to the class 4, and just turned into a trail run. We got to the start, and agreed (told?) Scott (TJ) that since he had the best setup truck, we would "let" him take the first shot at it. The Flex in his TJ was just awesome, he made trails look easy, followed up be George in his new paint job, followed up by my wife unit then Ross and Len doing the tail end charle thing..
The first real obstical was a pinch point v cut into living rock.... the thing would have stopped a hummer dead, and a tank would turn turtle, but a dirt bike would have made it easy. The fun part about it was that right in the exit of the pinch was a bolder the size of a suit case sitting right in the middle of the trail... most the Jeeps got through it with out much problem, but len had to take a interesting line.... Man you really need more lift... took the whole group a good 3 hours to go the 1/2 mile trail, but was well worth the time...
I must toot the wife's wistle here... She did a GREAT job, other then a scratch or two on the bottom side, and a scrape or two from a tree or two no damage to Tonka. The guys on the trip kept coming up to me or her and saying what a great job she was doing.. and since this was her first time rock crawling, you must all give her a hand the next time you see her. I was worried about her 88 XJ (4 inch lift, 31 X 10.5's on 15X8" rims) making this trail, but (tonka) was a real great trail truck.. it needs one more inch of lift, and a locker in the rear at least.
Next weekend will be the real run......... So .......we need more AZ-VJC member to show up. the trail is not to bad and will challange all those who come. If the wife's XJ can make it I am sure a little lifted CJ/TJ... ETC can make this trail.. but it will be real slow at points.
Two thumbs up to the trail spotters, and friendly laughs and coments. Was a real nice crew of Jeepers who came out to have some fun on the rocks, throw some sand, and talk lines up rocks.
hope to see you all out there on the 19th for one more go at it... and we must talk the wife unit into doing the driving again...
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer (papa Tonka)
Shannon Franks
88 XJ cherokee (Tonka)
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1206 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 6:57pm
Subject: postal jeep
There is a fellow down the street from me who has an old Postal Jeep
sitting on the street for sale. It is a white '72 with new tranny and
rebuilt engine. Not in bad shape outside but bad interior. It looks like it
was used to carry mail?? ;-) I don't know much about them but he wants
$2200 for it and it has been there for 8-10 months. So, my first guess is
that he is asking too much. It might be a fun restoration project, but is
it worth it? Is anyone interested? If so I will get the phone number etc. I
think these rigs are 2 wheel drive but they have the cool sliding doors and
some of the old classic jeep look.
Jon
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602-816-6240
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1207 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I had an excellent time on this one. I have to tip my hat to your wife. She did an excellent job driving a basically stock XJ w/31's thru the wash. I really was looking forward to seeing Wildcat's CJ3B in action. Hopefully he'll have the tranny problem worked out and be on the trails soon. After leading Saturday's run from Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake I was content to ease into the pack on this one. But somehow you all 'volunteered' me to go first thru the class 4. George's SJ looked great with the new mandarin orange paint job. After watching George's rig I think the most heard line of the day was "lockers...gotta get me some"
I'll probably not make it next week. Need to stay home and get some work done after doing 2 runs this weekend. For those of you looking for rocker protection I finally managed to test out the Sun Performance rocker guards I've had on over the last few runs. I finally found a boulder big enough to hit them with and I'd say they just paid for themselves :)
Thanks to all of you for a great time.
Scott Kruize
OSMTJ@psn.net
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From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Sunday, June 13, 1999 4:42 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Back from the White Tanks moutains.
I will write this one for my wife... with her help.... but the next time she drives, she can do the bloody thing herself..... ;)
Now lets see if the sun baked my brain to much.. we met at the Love's gas station around 8AM.. I think we had a great showing too.. the list is... 1XJ, 2 TJ's, 1 SJ Cherokee, 1 J10 pickup, a Chevy Z71, and a Nissan p/u. (picking up a CJ at the sand hills Ross Skinner. who will be joining the AZ-VJC soon) Willam Mish was there too, but toasted something in his drive train and packed it back up on the trailer and had to head home.
We played a few minutes on the sand hill, but since I and the wife wanted to go to harder stuff, we headed up the trail. Went up the easy wash to the class 4, and just turned into a trail run. We got to the start, and agreed (told?) Scott (TJ) that since he had the best setup truck, we would "let" him take the first shot at it. The Flex in his TJ was just awesome, he made trails look easy, followed up be George in his new paint job, followed up by my wife unit then Ross and Len doing the tail end charle thing..
The first real obstical was a pinch point v cut into living rock.... the thing would have stopped a hummer dead, and a tank would turn turtle, but a dirt bike would have made it easy. The fun part about it was that right in the exit of the pinch was a bolder the size of a suit case sitting right in the middle of the trail... most the Jeeps got through it with out much problem, but len had to take a interesting line.... Man you really need more lift... took the whole group a good 3 hours to go the 1/2 mile trail, but was well worth the time...
I must toot the wife's wistle here... She did a GREAT job, other then a scratch or two on the bottom side, and a scrape or two from a tree or two no damage to Tonka. The guys on the trip kept coming up to me or her and saying what a great job she was doing.. and since this was her first time rock crawling, you must all give her a hand the next time you see her. I was worried about her 88 XJ (4 inch lift, 31 X 10.5's on 15X8" rims) making this trail, but (tonka) was a real great trail truck.. it needs one more inch of lift, and a locker in the rear at least.
Next weekend will be the real run......... So .......we need more AZ-VJC member to show up. the trail is not to bad and will challange all those who come. If the wife's XJ can make it I am sure a little lifted CJ/TJ... ETC can make this trail.. but it will be real slow at points.
Two thumbs up to the trail spotters, and friendly laughs and coments. Was a real nice crew of Jeepers who came out to have some fun on the rocks, throw some sand, and talk lines up rocks.
hope to see you all out there on the 19th for one more go at it... and we must talk the wife unit into doing the driving again...
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer (papa Tonka)
Shannon Franks
88 XJ cherokee (Tonka)
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1208 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:29pm
Subject: White tanks
Me and a buddy were out near white tanks today so we thought we would drop by to see if we would run into anyone. We turned on the scanner to check channel 4 but didn't here anyone. Anyways, we went around to the front gate on the east side and talked to the ranger there. This is the part ya gota pay attention to...
He showed us a topo map of white tanks. There is NO four wheeling allowed anywhere in the area. If you wander into the proving grounds the military will catch ya with their helicopters and handcuff you. $400 dollars and a night in jail. If you wander into the BLM land you will be arrested by the sherriff. If you wander into the private land you are subject to tresspassing charges. There was NO public land on the map, it was all either proving grounds, private or BLM land. He said there are line of sight sensors all throughout the area, able to distinguish between vehicle and animals. All this is straight from the rangers mouth. Anyways, we went to Mesa world of maps and pulled out the white tank topo's and confirmed that there is no public land there. Ya'll can make your own decisions but I think the only thing I'll be doing in that area is hiking on the designated trails, and not tell winter....If ya want you can go to the front gate and talk to the ranger and check out the maps they have up there. It is clearly marked on the maps but nowhere within the land itself.
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1209 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 9:57pm
Subject: Re: White tanks
HUMMM lots and lots of guys out there who would be arested.. shooting guns, and riding bikes, and wheeling...ETC ETC...
Where is this ranger station? I don't even now where it is.
Troy
69 Waggy
Shannon 88 cherokee...
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To: az jeep virtual
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] White tanks
Me and a buddy were out near white tanks today so we thought we would drop by to see if we would run into anyone. We turned on the scanner to check channel 4 but didn't here anyone. Anyways, we went around to the front gate on the east side and talked to the ranger there. This is the part ya gota pay attention to...
He showed us a topo map of white tanks. There is NO four wheeling allowed anywhere in the area. If you wander into the proving grounds the military will catch ya with their helicopters and handcuff you. $400 dollars and a night in jail. If you wander into the BLM land you will be arrested by the sherriff. If you wander into the private land you are subject to tresspassing charges. There was NO public land on the map, it was all either proving grounds, private or BLM land. He said there are line of sight sensors all throughout the area, able to distinguish between vehicle and animals. All this is straight from the rangers mouth. Anyways, we went to Mesa world of maps and pulled out the white tank topo's and confirmed that there is no public land there. Ya'll can make your own decisions but I think the only thing I'll be doing in that area is hiking on the designated trails, and not tell winter....If ya want you can go to the front gate and talk to the ranger and check out the maps they have up there. It is clearly marked on the maps but nowhere within the land itself.
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1210 From: David O'Boyle <doboyle@s...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:02pm
Subject: Re: what a week Part II
Brian,
I had a pulley lock up on me last week before the trail42 run and the heater
control valve busted under the preassure. I noticed on the way home from
turning around on the trail because my rig and I were not up to the task of
tackeling the all mighty hill climb. that every time I would start climbing
a hill on the way out of Bartlett my A/c would almost shutoff. I mean the
blower keept going but it was not blowing out of the front it was comming
from the top of the dash. Do you think that when I took out the heater
control valve out and put in two connecters, this is causing the problem?
Thanks
Dave 93xj sport
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From: boh105@u... <boh105@u...>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] what a week Part II
>sorry......buisness inreruptus......I ordered the new 3
>pass radiator for the 1992 and heater valve.....I also
>needed an overflow bottle and about 7' of 5/8" heater hose.
>
>The change over only took 3 hours from start to finish It
>was a great joy ripping the cooling guts out of my 88 XJ.
>After the conversion the difference is amazing..... it will
>not run over 220*. By replacing the heater valve the ac
>works at least 50% better.
>
>Today I had to tow a 4500lb trailer from prescott to
>Flagstaff through Ashfork. and without a switch for the
>aux. fan, the temp never rose over 240*, and as it rose
>I used the a/c on max to help cool the radiator( the aux
>fan turns on every time the comperssor cycles on..... the
>jeep actually runs cooler with the a/c on.
>
>You can find the article at off-road.com/cherokee america.
>
>hope to ride with you all soon
>
>Brian
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1211 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:14am
Subject: Re: what a week Part II
David,
I've seen that before on my Cherokee as well, and seem to remember some
discussion of it about a year ago on the jeep+willys newsgroup. About
the only time I've noticed the heater or a/c stop blowing (they've both
done it) was on a stretch of I-70 about 20 miles east of where it ends in
Utah. There's a long uphill stretch, and the blower will stop coming out
the dash, and blow just a bit through the top of the dash. I've noticed
that if I let off the gas just a bit, and then get on it again, the
heater/AC starts blowing like normal again. Sounds like a vacuum issue.
Now note, it's only on this one section and again heading eastbound up to
the Eisenhower Tunnel in Colorado... weird.
Jim
On Sun, 13 Jun 1999 23:02:26 -0700 "David O'Boyle"
<doboyle@s...> writes:
>Brian,
>I had a pulley lock up on me last week before the trail42 run and the
>heater
>control valve busted under the preassure. I noticed on the way home
>from
>turning around on the trail because my rig and I were not up to the
>task of
>tackeling the all mighty hill climb. that every time I would start
>climbing
>a hill on the way out of Bartlett my A/c would almost shutoff. I mean
>the
>blower keept going but it was not blowing out of the front it was
>comming
>from the top of the dash. Do you think that when I took out the
>heater
>control valve out and put in two connecters, this is causing the
>problem?
>Thanks
>Dave 93xj sport
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1212 From: Linda Luik <p14175@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 8:19am
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Sorry to hear about your clutch, but at least it happened before getting on
the trail. I had the clutch fork pivot break free on my old Dodge truck. It
took all of 5 seconds for it to bounce around inside the bellhousing before it
blew a hole through the top! When we finally got a closer look at it, the
bellhousing had 5 large cracks, a hole the size of a creme filled donut on
top, and was twisted like discarded aluminum can! Fortunately I was in town
when it happened.
I started tearing apart the ZJ on Sunday only to discover that among all the
bits and pieces of metal my boyfriend has accumulated over the years there
wasn't a round piece that was the right size for pushing out the old bushing.
Of course, the sleeve that the control bolt goes through moved while I had the
arm off and it took about 3.5 hours to get the control arm back on. The ZJ
will be going into the Jeep dealer to get the bushing replaced. This is going
to be expensive.
Troy: I am thinking about getting an older wagoneer to use as a rat truck. I
need a second vehicle. Would one of those big cruisers be a good choice? It
might be used to haul a trailer once in a while too.
Linda
> Troy & Shannon Franks wrote:
>
> Well bill you missed a real nice trail... had 5 or 6 Jeeps run up the
> class 4 and like 3 take the chicken trail.... get it fixed, and we
> will have a run at it on saturday the 19th. Now that Shannon (my wife
> has run it, we need to get linda to get that jeep fixed and all try it
> again... Got hot there at the end.. glad to be home in the A/C
>
> Troy Franks
> 69 Wagoneer
> Shannon Franks
> 88 Cherokee
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: William Mish
> To: Ross W Skinner ; AZ_VJC
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fragged Clutch
>
> Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never
> made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough,
> go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White
> Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster
> struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding
> and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first,
> it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer
> inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of
> the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to
> actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much
> noise without at least the pressure plate being completely
> nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to
> wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while
> everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting
> tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that
> this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I
> hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in
> a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from
> the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you,
> mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
> Later.
> Wildcat
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1213 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:45pm
Subject: more Bartlett to Horseshoe pics
I have captured another 30 pictures from the video that I did of Saturday's
run. They are here:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=266293
I included them in with the other B2H pix so look for driver names as follows:
dan1 - dan5
ekool1 - ekool4
jeff1 - jeff7
lunch1 - lunch3
nick1 - nick6
scott1 - scott6
These are not as high quality as those directly from the digital camera,
but if any of you want the video in MPEG format I will put it on a CD for
you. There is about 120 MB of MPEG files which is about 15 minutes of
video. Email me your address and I will mail you the CD. You can view them
with Windows Media Player or the like.
Dan - do you want me to send these to the azvjc photo site also??
Jon
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1214 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 0:52pm
Subject: W. Tanks
I talked to the ranger their at the White Tanks park entrance on the east side. He said they don't bother much with people on foot but anyone operating a motor vehicle is a target. He admitted it all depended on the rangers mood of the day.
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1215 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 1:21pm
Subject: State Trust Land info
The following information is from the AZ Game and Fish Department, and covers
what State Trust Lands are and what you need to do before you can travel on
this land.
I believe membership in the ASA4WDC covers your state land recreational
permit (Linda, can you clarify?) that is discussed below. I highly recommend
everyone become an individual member of ASA4WDC if you are not already via
another club membership.
The ASA4WDC web site is at:
http://www.asa4wdc.org/
The Game & Fish web site is at:
http://www.gf.state.az.us/
Lots of good stuff there.
-- Dan
------------------------------------------
What is State Trust Land?
State Trust Land is land that was granted to Arizona by the federal
government when Arizona became a state in 1912. Trust lands total
approximately 9.4 million acres and are managed by the State Land Department.
The land is held in trust by the State of Arizona, and by law, must be used
to generate revenue to fund public schools, universities and other state
institutions. State Trust Land is NOT public land. You must have a permit to
be on State Trust Land.
Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land?
Yes. You must have a recreation permit or a hunting or fishing license to be
on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you are
actively engaged in hunting or fishing.
Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are
issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is
$15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00.
Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They
require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time.
You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land
Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit
applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal
business hours by calling (602) 542-4631.
Rules to follow on State Trust Land
Most state land is already leased to someone. When recreating on state land,
please keep in mind that someone else is trying to make a living from that
land.
* Leave gates the way you find them, either open or closed.
* Vehicles must travel on existing roads and trails.
* Camp at least 1/4 mile from any livestock or wildlife water
catchments, tanks, etc.
* Obey posted signs, respect closed areas.
* If you pack it in - pack it out, don't liter.
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1216 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 5:22pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
> Troy: I am thinking about getting an older wagoneer to use as a rat truck.
I
> need a second vehicle. Would one of those big cruisers be a good choice?
It
> might be used to haul a trailer once in a while too.
>
>
> Linda
Heck yes, they ride like caddys, and off road like a Jeep, will pull a
trailer like a bull. BUT be ready for a fuel hog. Like most big trucks you
will be lucky if you get anything over 15 MPG. Rat Truck? as for hauling a
trailer, it will pull a real good weight and do it with no problems.
Got any Questions, or need someone to look one over for you let me know.
Troy
69 Wagoneer
Shannon
88 Cherokee
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1217 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 6:58pm
Subject: Re: State Trust Land info
BRAVO!! Well done. You are a very resourceful individual. Be Good.
Later.
----- Original Message -----
From: <Revolvr@a...>
To: <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 5:21 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] State Trust Land info
>
> The following information is from the AZ Game and Fish Department, and
covers
> what State Trust Lands are and what you need to do before you can travel
on
> this land.
>
> I believe membership in the ASA4WDC covers your state land recreational
> permit (Linda, can you clarify?) that is discussed below. I highly
recommend
> everyone become an individual member of ASA4WDC if you are not already via
> another club membership.
>
> The ASA4WDC web site is at:
>
> http://www.asa4wdc.org/
>
> The Game & Fish web site is at:
>
> http://www.gf.state.az.us/
>
> Lots of good stuff there.
>
> -- Dan
> ------------------------------------------
> What is State Trust Land?
>
> State Trust Land is land that was granted to Arizona by the federal
> government when Arizona became a state in 1912. Trust lands total
> approximately 9.4 million acres and are managed by the State Land
Department.
> The land is held in trust by the State of Arizona, and by law, must be
used
> to generate revenue to fund public schools, universities and other state
> institutions. State Trust Land is NOT public land. You must have a permit
to
> be on State Trust Land.
>
> Do I need a permit to operate my OHV on State Trust Land?
>
> Yes. You must have a recreation permit or a hunting or fishing license to
be
> on State Land. However, a hunting or fishing license is valid only if you
are
> actively engaged in hunting or fishing.
>
> Recreational Permits are available for individuals and families and are
> issued for one year from the date of purchase. The Individual Permit is
> $15.00 and the Family Permit is $20.00.
>
> Non-profit group and event recreational permits are also available. They
> require a different permit and usually require a longer processing time.
>
> You may pick up your recreational permit in person at the State Land
> Department main office at 1616 West Adams, Phoenix AZ 85007. Permit
> applications can also be requested by mail or by telephone during normal
> business hours by calling (602) 542-4631.
>
> Rules to follow on State Trust Land
>
> Most state land is already leased to someone. When recreating on state
land,
> please keep in mind that someone else is trying to make a living from that
> land.
>
> * Leave gates the way you find them, either open or closed.
> * Vehicles must travel on existing roads and trails.
> * Camp at least 1/4 mile from any livestock or wildlife water
> catchments, tanks, etc.
> * Obey posted signs, respect closed areas.
> * If you pack it in - pack it out, don't liter.
>
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1218 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:12pm
Subject: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
\\\///
(O)(O) Jim Yucca-man@j...
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To: Yucca-man@j...
Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
Subject: AZ_VJC Suggestions
Message-ID: <3764615C.C9A934D1@h...>
Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
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1219 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:26pm
Subject: Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I've done some trails up on the Rim, but nothing challenging. I'd be very interested in heading up to the cooler climate real soon for some camping and trail fun, but don't know any good trails. Any ideas?
-----Original Message-----
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To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
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Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
boh105@usa.net
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1220 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Mon Jun 14, 1999 9:47pm
Subject: Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I'm game for a run up north. I wouldn't mind camping out either. Looking for
at least a class 3, preferably 4.
Scott Kruize
OSMTJ@p...
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB <daballard@p...>
To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>; James A Langdon
<yucca-man@j...>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:23 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
I've done some trails up on the Rim, but nothing challenging. I'd be very
interested in heading up to the cooler climate real soon for some camping
and trail fun, but don't know any good trails. Any ideas?
-----Original Message-----
From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
Date: Monday, June 14, 1999 9:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: AZ_VJC Suggestions
This came in off the website. Any takers?
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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 18:56:44 -0700
Subject: AZ_VJC Suggestions
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Hey how about a jeep trip up to the great white
north.....eh....Flagstaff that is. Afew of us would love to be able to
join in on the fun.
If you could give me directions to a couple of class 3 trails up here it
would be greatly appreciated.
thanks.
boh105@u...
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