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1176 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 8:53am
Subject: Re: Posting messages that auto-wrap?
You could post messages from your browser to az_vjc@makelist.com and they should come through already wrapped.
Doug
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From: jeffm@desertwave.com <jeffm@desertwave.com>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Posting messages that auto-wrap?
Is there any way I can post messages in eGroups so that I
don't have to manually insert a at the end of every
line. I'm surprised the posting textarea doesn't isn't
configured for that.
Just curious.
Jeff
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1177 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 1:28pm
Subject: Member pics and Club Info...
Hey all,
I still need pics for Chili Dawg, Eric, Papa Tonka and Tonka. Of course,
Dan and DougB, two of the originals, still haven't submitted pics or
writeups of their rigs, so maybe they need to be chastised at the next
meeting ;-)
We've got 112 members now, and it looks like the summer is starting to
pick far as planning goes. Keep an eye on the webpage for current plans,
I will try to keep them as up-to-date as possible, since finding the
right thread with current plans can be a pain sometimes.
Am thinking of selling the CJ5, some assembly is required. E-mail me for
details.
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1178 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 3:08pm
Subject: Re: Moab bound
James --
A friend and I are planning on the Moab trip roughly one week from now. We
will be leaving around noon Friday June 18th to arrive in Moab 8:00pm or
there abouts. Plans are still a bit shakey, but Kane Creek is a trail I've
never done that we will try to do.
I've done the following in my XJ:
Metal Masher
Secret Spire (boring)
Behind The Rocks
Fins N Things
Poison Spider Mesa
Golden Spike (last 1/3 in a loop)
I wouldn't mind doing one of these again, but I'm up for anything fun. If
I'm in the XJ, body damage is really not my interest, so if you have any
ideas, please throw them my way.
Any ideas on whether this interests you enough to tag along? If so, what
type of rig will you be bringing? I will most likely bring my XJ but may
tow the CJ if it's trail-ready by then.
Anyway, we'll be camping on Fri, Sat, and Sun nights, not lodging. Email me
if you want more information.
Later,
Jeff <006801beb37d$8fad8470$399f10a-@j...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=1165
> You got my attention! I'm always up for Moab. Tell me more!
> James
>
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> From: jeffm@d... <jeffm@d...>
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:47 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Moab bound
>
>
> Short notice I know, but the weekend of June 19/20 I will be wheeling in Moab. My plan is to leave Friday 18th noonish and return Monday 21st bright and early in the morning. No plans on exactly which trails will be run though.
>
> Some camping, some wheeling ... should be fun. Anyone here is welcome to come along. I will be in my '98 XJ (it can't seem to get enough of Moab). My buddy will be along with his '90 XJ.
>
> Come on, you know you want to come :)
> Contact me here or by email for more info
> Jeff
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1179 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 3:29pm
Subject: No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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1180 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:32pm
Subject: Re: speedo & tach
The tachometer and speedometer are completely independent of each other. The tachometer measures rpms at the motor, the speedo measures rpms at the t-case output. The speedo sending unit then sends this info up to the speedometer in the dash. You need to change the speedo gear at the transfercase. It's a 5 minute job and I've gotten the gears from the dealer for about $8. I know that the computer on the TJ's and late model YJ's uses the info from the tach and speedo to set timing and fuel mixtures. The only one you need to worry about is the speedo.
There is a great java applet on the web that lets you input Jeep model, tire size, and axle gearing and tells you how many tooth speedo gear you need to ask the parts department for. If I can find it I'll post a reply.
Scott Kruize
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From: nnote <nnote@neta.com>
To: az jeep virtual <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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1181 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 6:31pm
Subject: Fw: ** Virus Alert! **
This is off topic, but thought you'd all like to know. This has been on the
news and is confirmed as a problem. I understand that some big companies
have already been hit.
DougB
>> There is a new virus spreading via Internet e-mail called the
"ExploreZip"
>> virus.
>>
>> If you receive a note with an attachment named "zipped_files.exe" you
>> should delete the note immediately.
>>
>> The note will come as a reply to a note you have sent to another person
>> who is infected with the virus.
>>
>> The note will read:
>> Hi (your name)!
>> I received your e-mail and I shall send you a reply ASAP.
>> Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs.
>> Bye.
>> It will have an attachment named "zipped_files.exe"
>>
>> <<...>>
>>
>> You should delete the note without opening the attachment and then empty
>> your deleted items folder.
>>
>> If you do become infected with the virus, you should shutdown your
>> computer and contact your local computer support person. They will need
>> to go through a procedure to rid your system of it.
>>
>> You may recall the Melissa virus that clogged victims' e-mail boxes with
>> messages containing lists of pornographic Web sites. The new ExploreZip
>> virus actually begins to delete files on the hard drives & mapped network
>> drives of infected computers.
>>
>> Please do not open an attachment if you are not sure of its legitimacy,
>> regardless of the source (the note may be from someone you know who
>> unwittingly opened the attachment).
>>
>> NOTE: You cannot get the virus by merely opening up a message, only by
>> opening an attachment. You should always be careful of any attachments
>> that arrive via e-mail.
>>
>> As of the sending of this note, we have not heard any reports of ASU
being
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1182 From: <boh105@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 7:05pm
Subject: what a week
It all started last sunday.....got a call my kid wiped
out on a bike in Lake Havasu City... so I had to zip out
there i my trusty XJ..(not so trusty this trip)!
On the way back to Flagstaff...... by back roads of
course, my jeep hemoraged!!!!..... busted a seam on the
radiator, 75 miles from no where!
Driving one mile an hour (drive till it gets warm....shut
it off and wait for it to cool a little), I finally got to
beautiful downtown seligman and called a tow truck to get
me back to Flagstaff.
When arriving in Flagstaff.....16 hours after I started
.....I got onto the internet and found an article about
replacing the cooling system on older XJ's with a 1992
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1183 From: <boh105@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 7:41pm
Subject: what a week Part II
sorry......buisness inreruptus......I ordered the new 3
pass radiator for the 1992 and heater valve.....I also
needed an overflow bottle and about 7' of 5/8" heater hose.
The change over only took 3 hours from start to finish It
was a great joy ripping the cooling guts out of my 88 XJ.
After the conversion the difference is amazing..... it will
not run over 220*. By replacing the heater valve the ac
works at least 50% better.
Today I had to tow a 4500lb trailer from prescott to
Flagstaff through Ashfork. and without a switch for the
aux. fan, the temp never rose over 240*, and as it rose
I used the a/c on max to help cool the radiator( the aux
fan turns on every time the comperssor cycles on..... the
jeep actually runs cooler with the a/c on.
You can find the article at off-road.com/cherokee america.
hope to ride with you all soon
Brian
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1184 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:51pm
Subject: Re: Fw: ** Virus Alert! **
In a message dated 6/11/99 6:39:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
daballard@p... writes:
> This is off topic, but thought you'd all like to know. This has been on the
> news and is confirmed as a problem. I understand that some big companies
> have already been hit.
>
I suppose it is off topic, but real enough.
The unique thing is that this virus replicates through email by using your
email address to send itself to people you have sent messages to.
That means if it comes to you, it will look like it is coming from someone
you know, and ostensibly trust. That's why so many people are executing this
exe file without checking it first. In this case it is represented as a self
extracting zip file.
Bottom line is, don't trust any exe file, no matter who appears to have sent
it. Confirm from the sender first.
Now, back to our regular broadcast...
-- Dan
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1185 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Member pics and Club Info...
In a message dated 6/11/99 1:19:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
yucca-man@j... writes:
> I still need pics for Chili Dawg, Eric, Papa Tonka and Tonka. Of course,
> Dan and DougB, two of the originals, still haven't submitted pics or
> writeups of their rigs, so maybe they need to be chastised at the next
> meeting ;-)
How about adding a link at your site to the AZVJC photo albums at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
This has several trail runs, plus an album of "OurJeeps".
We are getting hundreds of hits, so thanks for visiting. If you have pictures
of trail runs, lets add them!
-- Dan
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1186 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 11:56pm
Subject: Re: speedo & tach
I don't think this one actually gives you the speedo gear size, but it calculates about everything else. Great tool.
http://4lo.com/
At 04:32 PM 6/11/99 -0700, Scott Kruize wrote:
The tachometer and speedometer are completely independent of each other. The tachometer measures rpms at the motor, the speedo measures rpms at the t-case output. The speedo sending unit then sends this info up to the speedometer in the dash. You need to change the speedo gear at the transfercase. It's a 5 minute job and I've gotten the gears from the dealer for about $8. I know that the computer on the TJ's and late model YJ's uses the info from the tach and speedo to set timing and fuel mixtures. The only one you need to worry about is the speedo.
There is a great java applet on the web that lets you input Jeep model, tire size, and axle gearing and tells you how many tooth speedo gear you need to ask the parts department for. If I can find it I'll post a reply.
Scott Kruize
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From: nnote <nnote@neta.com>
To: az jeep virtual <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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1187 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 0:06am
Subject: head count for Sunday
Hi all
Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White Tanks
Mtns. So far the list is:
Linda
William and friends (maybe)
Scott
Troy
Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit 114
(Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
-Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1188 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 6:13am
Subject: Re: head count for Sunday
As it stands right now, I'm going to be there, with bells on. Got my
tranny/transfer case crossmember replaced late last night, started working
on the darn thing monday, sheez, nothin's simple anymore. I had to change
EVERYTHING. But I got 14" vs the 11 3/4" of clearance I started with. I have
one major outstanding issue to resolve with my ARB line for the rear diff
bein' in 2 pieces, that I will have to fix today, then the test drive and
cleanin' up my mess. (wife's a little peeved about the JEEP widow thing, so
i'll have to do a little patchin' up here also). But other than that, I'll
be there, I have to check on the CJ-7 guy lacking experience, Ross and his
whole famn damily are gonna be there, I had no takers on a copilot so I'm
using one of his boys to fill the shotgun seat. Neighbors down the street,
Buzz and Stacey are going in their JEEP. And I've burned enough daylight
writin' this. Got a full day ahead. Everyone Be Good.
Later
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From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@m...>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] head count for Sunday
> Hi all
>
> Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White
Tanks
> Mtns. So far the list is:
>
> Linda
> William and friends (maybe)
> Scott
> Troy
> Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
>
> Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit
114
> (Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
> usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
>
>
> -Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
> -FSJ List Administrator
> -Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
>
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1189 From: <tquinn@u...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 8:23am
Subject: Short trip
Can anyone out there recommend a short, not too nasty, but not too easy, trip for an early morning Sunday run? I can't make the White Tanks tomorrow, although that sounds fun! I'm leaving for vacation Wednesday and don't get to take the Jeep. :( I need to get in as much "Jeep time" as I can before leaving to help ease the pain.
We usually hit Box Canyon, Coke Ovens, Martinez, the whole area since I leave in the East Valley. So we're looking for something of a similar challenge that we can get to, through, and back in 5 or 6 hours.
Many years ago as a kid I remember riding ATV's around Sunflower off the Beeline highway. Has anyone seen any good trails that way? I've got the 'famous' AZ 4x4 trails book, but I know there's more out there!! We've hit most of those already and are looking for a new challenge.
Any suggestions?
I'm new to the group, so after vacation I hope to make some of the runs and meet all the folks. By the amount of advice, chatter, and talk of Jeeps, it sounds like you're a great group of people.
Thanks!
Tom
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1190 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 9:04am
Subject: Re: head count for Sunday
I may make this. Couldn't make today's (Sat) run, so I may see you Sunday.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@futureone.com>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] head count for Sunday
Hi all
Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White Tanks
Mtns. So far the list is:
Linda
William and friends (maybe)
Scott
Troy
Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit 114
(Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
-Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1191 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 9:16am
Subject: Re: Short trip
There are several great trails in the Sunflower area, but some should not be taken alone (class 3+ to 4). However, there are several lighter ones that you might enjoy:
1- Power Line trail...past Sunflower on the left, look for the Power Lines. The trail follows these to Bartlett Lake. Class 2
2- Reno Pass light class 3. Go to the Web site for directions
3- Indian Springs trail class 2. Go toward Sunflower, and several miles before Sunflower you'll come to Sycamore Creek (signed), go left (west) over SR87 and take dirt road to the creek. Parallel the creek for a very short distance and you'll see a trail to the right. It has a FS #, but I forget what it is. This will take you toward Maverick Mtn to the NW, but won't get you there. However, it's a pretty nice and short trail. If your into rock hounding, there are some Quartz outcroppings along the way. The trail ends in Indian Springs wash.
Doug
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From: tquinn@uswestmail.net <tquinn@uswestmail.net>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Short trip
Can anyone out there recommend a short, not too nasty, but not too easy, trip for an early morning Sunday run? I can't make the White Tanks tomorrow, although that sounds fun! I'm leaving for vacation Wednesday and don't get to take the Jeep. :( I need to get in as much "Jeep time" as I can before leaving to help ease the pain.
We usually hit Box Canyon, Coke Ovens, Martinez, the whole area since I leave in the East Valley. So we're looking for something of a similar challenge that we can get to, through, and back in 5 or 6 hours.
Many years ago as a kid I remember riding ATV's around Sunflower off the Beeline highway. Has anyone seen any good trails that way? I've got the 'famous' AZ 4x4 trails book, but I know there's more out there!! We've hit most of those already and are looking for a new challenge.
Any suggestions?
I'm new to the group, so after vacation I hope to make some of the runs and meet all the folks. By the amount of advice, chatter, and talk of Jeeps, it sounds like you're a great group of people.
Thanks!
Tom
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1192 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 0:56pm
Subject: so much for 4-wheeling this weekend
I hope I was the only casulty on FR42 this weekend! Barely on the trail and had to turn back! I managed to get to Darner Jeep before they closed. I bought a new bushing for the left upper control arm ($26) and decided to go by an alignment shop to get an idea of what it would take to get it replaced. I think I am going to do it myself since it isn't an extreme press fit. I think a pitman arm puller and slide hammer will do the job.
Anyway, what happened was when we took off down the trail after airing down, I decided to put the transfer case in full-time 4wd. This put enough stress on the front axle to make the axle shift and clunk. Not a good thing! I have known that this bushing was going to have to be replaced for quite some time so
I wasn't surprised when this happened.
I guess the trip to the White Tanks on Sunday is out. I'll be wrenching on the Jeep the rest of the weekend.
Hope you all had a good time!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1193 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 4:08pm
Subject: FR42
Just got home from the run. We finished up at Horseshoe Lake at 2:00. For
those that left by way of Indian Springs wash after lunch, the second half
of the run went very fast as we cruised thru the sandy washes.
The headcount as I remember was 6 TJ's, 1 YJ, 3 XJ's, 1 ZJ (Linda who left
early), 1 CJ, and a Toyota Fourrunner <was he lost?> ;)
I had a great time and am looking forward to seeing the pics. I'd appreciate
it if those of you who took pics could e-mail them to me.
Scott Kruize
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1194 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 5:25am
Subject: No Skidplates!
Got everything done on JEEP except the skidplates, so I won't be running any 4.0 trails today. Still going for all the rest of the four wheelin' tho'. We're leaving early, about 6:00 am, be there around 7:00 am I'll monitor channel 4 for you guys. I''m towing the JEEP out with a sky blue ford extended cab 4x4, Ross is in a root beer brown '84 CJ-7, and Buzz is in a forest green CJ-7. (I totally wimped out for the hot ride home, my tow vehicle has AC!! ). See you out there.
Wildcat
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/mercedes/675
55' CJ3B........340 BUICK V-8, HEI, K&N
SM420, SPICER 18, OD, 5.38:1, ARB'S
3/4 TON AXLES, 4 WHEEL DISC 'S, KC
WARN 8274, LINK-ARC, 33" BFG'S, CB
CUSTOM E V E R Y T H I N G.............
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1195 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 5:41am
Subject: PhotoPoint url
Can anyone remind me of the url and instructions for posting pix to the VJC
site on PhotoPoint? I run 2 computers and I can't seem to find it on either.
I have posted the Bartlett to Horseshoe pix on my site for now. I will also
send them to Scott K. and PhotoPoint VJC once I get the instructions.
URL for my site later this AM.
Great run, Scott. Thanks.
Jon
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1196 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 8:12am
Subject: B2H (Bartlett to Horseshoe)
Pix from Scott Kruize led Saturday run from Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Dam.
I will post more from the videos a bit later.
These photos started put at 1280x960. They were resized to 640x480 and
saved as 75% compression JPEG's for Internet efficiency. If anyone wants an
original (about 900k) email me with the name of the picture.
These will be moved to the AZVJC PhotoPoint site as soon as I get
instructions on how and where.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=266293
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1197 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:48am
Subject: Fragged Clutch
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
Later.
Wildcat
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/mercedes/675
55' CJ3B........340 BUICK V-8, HEI, K&N
SM420, SPICER 18, OD, 5.38:1, ARB'S
3/4 TON AXLES, 4 WHEEL DISC 'S, KC
WARN 8274, LINK-ARC, 33" BFG'S, CB
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1198 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 8:53am
Subject: Re: PhotoPoint url
In a message dated 6/13/99 5:47:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jloveless@e... writes:
> Can anyone remind me of the url and instructions for posting pix to the VJC
> site on PhotoPoint? I run 2 computers and I can't seem to find it on
either.
>
Just email a message with the photo attached to:
photos@p...
The body can be blank, but the subject line must read exactly:
"Account: azvjc@a..."
without the quotes.
That will get it to the incoming folder. Just email me when done and I'll
create an album for this trip and put them in there.
Thanks!
-- Dan
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1199 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Well bill you missed a real nice trail... had 5 or 6 Jeeps run up the class 4 and like 3 take the chicken trail.... get it fixed, and we will have a run at it on saturday the 19th. Now that Shannon (my wife has run it, we need to get linda to get that jeep fixed and all try it again... Got hot there at the end.. glad to be home in the A/C
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer
Shannon Franks
88 Cherokee
----- Original Message -----
From: William Mish
To: Ross W Skinner ; AZ_VJC
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:48 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fragged Clutch
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
Later.
Wildcat
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1200 From: <AZVJC@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 4:05pm
Subject: Photos of Bartlett/Horseshoe FR-42 trip
Greetings!
Dan, your humble list manager has an album of photos for you to
see using the FREE PhotoPoint photo sharing service.
Here is a message describing the photos:
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Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Lake along FR-42, June 1999. These are Jon's photos. Let me know if you upload any others!
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Simply click on the link below to go directly to their photo album
area on the PhotoPoint web site, where you can see all the photos
that they have prepared for you.
Photo Album:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547
AOL Users:
<a href="http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=28170&a=267547">Click Here</a>
Click on the link above to see the photos. If neither of the links
are clickable, simply cut and paste the first link into your web browser.
If you would like to know how to share your own photos using the
free PhotoPoint service, click on this link:
http://www.photopoint.com/
The PhotoPoint server is a free service courtesy of Pantellic
Software. We hope you find it useful!
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1176 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 8:53am
Subject: Re: Posting messages that auto-wrap?
You could post messages from your browser to az_vjc@makelist.com and they should come through already wrapped.
Doug
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From: jeffm@desertwave.com <jeffm@desertwave.com>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 8:44 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Posting messages that auto-wrap?
Is there any way I can post messages in eGroups so that I
don't have to manually insert a at the end of every
line. I'm surprised the posting textarea doesn't isn't
configured for that.
Just curious.
Jeff
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1177 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 1:28pm
Subject: Member pics and Club Info...
Hey all,
I still need pics for Chili Dawg, Eric, Papa Tonka and Tonka. Of course,
Dan and DougB, two of the originals, still haven't submitted pics or
writeups of their rigs, so maybe they need to be chastised at the next
meeting ;-)
We've got 112 members now, and it looks like the summer is starting to
pick far as planning goes. Keep an eye on the webpage for current plans,
I will try to keep them as up-to-date as possible, since finding the
right thread with current plans can be a pain sometimes.
Am thinking of selling the CJ5, some assembly is required. E-mail me for
details.
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1178 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 3:08pm
Subject: Re: Moab bound
James --
A friend and I are planning on the Moab trip roughly one week from now. We
will be leaving around noon Friday June 18th to arrive in Moab 8:00pm or
there abouts. Plans are still a bit shakey, but Kane Creek is a trail I've
never done that we will try to do.
I've done the following in my XJ:
Metal Masher
Secret Spire (boring)
Behind The Rocks
Fins N Things
Poison Spider Mesa
Golden Spike (last 1/3 in a loop)
I wouldn't mind doing one of these again, but I'm up for anything fun. If
I'm in the XJ, body damage is really not my interest, so if you have any
ideas, please throw them my way.
Any ideas on whether this interests you enough to tag along? If so, what
type of rig will you be bringing? I will most likely bring my XJ but may
tow the CJ if it's trail-ready by then.
Anyway, we'll be camping on Fri, Sat, and Sun nights, not lodging. Email me
if you want more information.
Later,
Jeff <006801beb37d$8fad8470$399f10a-@j...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=1165
> You got my attention! I'm always up for Moab. Tell me more!
> James
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeffm@d... <jeffm@d...>
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Date: Wednesday, June 09, 1999 10:47 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Moab bound
>
>
> Short notice I know, but the weekend of June 19/20 I will be wheeling in Moab. My plan is to leave Friday 18th noonish and return Monday 21st bright and early in the morning. No plans on exactly which trails will be run though.
>
> Some camping, some wheeling ... should be fun. Anyone here is welcome to come along. I will be in my '98 XJ (it can't seem to get enough of Moab). My buddy will be along with his '90 XJ.
>
> Come on, you know you want to come :)
> Contact me here or by email for more info
> Jeff
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1179 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 3:29pm
Subject: No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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1180 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:32pm
Subject: Re: speedo & tach
The tachometer and speedometer are completely independent of each other. The tachometer measures rpms at the motor, the speedo measures rpms at the t-case output. The speedo sending unit then sends this info up to the speedometer in the dash. You need to change the speedo gear at the transfercase. It's a 5 minute job and I've gotten the gears from the dealer for about $8. I know that the computer on the TJ's and late model YJ's uses the info from the tach and speedo to set timing and fuel mixtures. The only one you need to worry about is the speedo.
There is a great java applet on the web that lets you input Jeep model, tire size, and axle gearing and tells you how many tooth speedo gear you need to ask the parts department for. If I can find it I'll post a reply.
Scott Kruize
-----Original Message-----
From: nnote <nnote@neta.com>
To: az jeep virtual <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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nnote@juno.com
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1181 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 6:31pm
Subject: Fw: ** Virus Alert! **
This is off topic, but thought you'd all like to know. This has been on the
news and is confirmed as a problem. I understand that some big companies
have already been hit.
DougB
>> There is a new virus spreading via Internet e-mail called the
"ExploreZip"
>> virus.
>>
>> If you receive a note with an attachment named "zipped_files.exe" you
>> should delete the note immediately.
>>
>> The note will come as a reply to a note you have sent to another person
>> who is infected with the virus.
>>
>> The note will read:
>> Hi (your name)!
>> I received your e-mail and I shall send you a reply ASAP.
>> Till then, take a look at the attached zipped docs.
>> Bye.
>> It will have an attachment named "zipped_files.exe"
>>
>> <<...>>
>>
>> You should delete the note without opening the attachment and then empty
>> your deleted items folder.
>>
>> If you do become infected with the virus, you should shutdown your
>> computer and contact your local computer support person. They will need
>> to go through a procedure to rid your system of it.
>>
>> You may recall the Melissa virus that clogged victims' e-mail boxes with
>> messages containing lists of pornographic Web sites. The new ExploreZip
>> virus actually begins to delete files on the hard drives & mapped network
>> drives of infected computers.
>>
>> Please do not open an attachment if you are not sure of its legitimacy,
>> regardless of the source (the note may be from someone you know who
>> unwittingly opened the attachment).
>>
>> NOTE: You cannot get the virus by merely opening up a message, only by
>> opening an attachment. You should always be careful of any attachments
>> that arrive via e-mail.
>>
>> As of the sending of this note, we have not heard any reports of ASU
being
>> hit by the virus. If you have any questions regarding Virus protection
>> software, please send a note to COMM-Q@a... or visit the ASU Antivirus
>> web page (http://www.asu.edu/antivirus). If you have any questions
>> regarding electronic mail, please send a note to EMAIL-Q@a....
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1182 From: <boh105@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 7:05pm
Subject: what a week
It all started last sunday.....got a call my kid wiped
out on a bike in Lake Havasu City... so I had to zip out
there i my trusty XJ..(not so trusty this trip)!
On the way back to Flagstaff...... by back roads of
course, my jeep hemoraged!!!!..... busted a seam on the
radiator, 75 miles from no where!
Driving one mile an hour (drive till it gets warm....shut
it off and wait for it to cool a little), I finally got to
beautiful downtown seligman and called a tow truck to get
me back to Flagstaff.
When arriving in Flagstaff.....16 hours after I started
.....I got onto the internet and found an article about
replacing the cooling system on older XJ's with a 1992
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1183 From: <boh105@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 7:41pm
Subject: what a week Part II
sorry......buisness inreruptus......I ordered the new 3
pass radiator for the 1992 and heater valve.....I also
needed an overflow bottle and about 7' of 5/8" heater hose.
The change over only took 3 hours from start to finish It
was a great joy ripping the cooling guts out of my 88 XJ.
After the conversion the difference is amazing..... it will
not run over 220*. By replacing the heater valve the ac
works at least 50% better.
Today I had to tow a 4500lb trailer from prescott to
Flagstaff through Ashfork. and without a switch for the
aux. fan, the temp never rose over 240*, and as it rose
I used the a/c on max to help cool the radiator( the aux
fan turns on every time the comperssor cycles on..... the
jeep actually runs cooler with the a/c on.
You can find the article at off-road.com/cherokee america.
hope to ride with you all soon
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1184 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:51pm
Subject: Re: Fw: ** Virus Alert! **
In a message dated 6/11/99 6:39:12 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
daballard@p... writes:
> This is off topic, but thought you'd all like to know. This has been on the
> news and is confirmed as a problem. I understand that some big companies
> have already been hit.
>
I suppose it is off topic, but real enough.
The unique thing is that this virus replicates through email by using your
email address to send itself to people you have sent messages to.
That means if it comes to you, it will look like it is coming from someone
you know, and ostensibly trust. That's why so many people are executing this
exe file without checking it first. In this case it is represented as a self
extracting zip file.
Bottom line is, don't trust any exe file, no matter who appears to have sent
it. Confirm from the sender first.
Now, back to our regular broadcast...
-- Dan
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1185 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 4:54pm
Subject: Re: Member pics and Club Info...
In a message dated 6/11/99 1:19:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
yucca-man@j... writes:
> I still need pics for Chili Dawg, Eric, Papa Tonka and Tonka. Of course,
> Dan and DougB, two of the originals, still haven't submitted pics or
> writeups of their rigs, so maybe they need to be chastised at the next
> meeting ;-)
How about adding a link at your site to the AZVJC photo albums at:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumList?u=28170
This has several trail runs, plus an album of "OurJeeps".
We are getting hundreds of hits, so thanks for visiting. If you have pictures
of trail runs, lets add them!
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1186 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 11, 1999 11:56pm
Subject: Re: speedo & tach
I don't think this one actually gives you the speedo gear size, but it calculates about everything else. Great tool.
http://4lo.com/
At 04:32 PM 6/11/99 -0700, Scott Kruize wrote:
The tachometer and speedometer are completely independent of each other. The tachometer measures rpms at the motor, the speedo measures rpms at the t-case output. The speedo sending unit then sends this info up to the speedometer in the dash. You need to change the speedo gear at the transfercase. It's a 5 minute job and I've gotten the gears from the dealer for about $8. I know that the computer on the TJ's and late model YJ's uses the info from the tach and speedo to set timing and fuel mixtures. The only one you need to worry about is the speedo.
There is a great java applet on the web that lets you input Jeep model, tire size, and axle gearing and tells you how many tooth speedo gear you need to ask the parts department for. If I can find it I'll post a reply.
Scott Kruize
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From: nnote <nnote@neta.com>
To: az jeep virtual <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Friday, June 11, 1999 3:29 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] No Subject
Oh ya Jeff, my geektech talk was off! I didn't mean my xfer case was 4.11 but yes my axle ratio. All the computations still come out correct, just a bit off on the wording. I know the gps bit puts you off by a few hundered feet, I didn't realize it put you off by mph though. Jokoolchav, who knows if the tach is off, does anyone know if larger tire size affects the tachometer also? Actually I think the tach/speedometer sensor tells you what your tach is and the speedometer reads accordingly, not knowing that you have larger tires. So the tachometer reading is always correct but what you do with those revolutions depends on tire size, and that changes your actuall speed.
Nick
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1187 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 0:06am
Subject: head count for Sunday
Hi all
Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White Tanks
Mtns. So far the list is:
Linda
William and friends (maybe)
Scott
Troy
Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit 114
(Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
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1188 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 6:13am
Subject: Re: head count for Sunday
As it stands right now, I'm going to be there, with bells on. Got my
tranny/transfer case crossmember replaced late last night, started working
on the darn thing monday, sheez, nothin's simple anymore. I had to change
EVERYTHING. But I got 14" vs the 11 3/4" of clearance I started with. I have
one major outstanding issue to resolve with my ARB line for the rear diff
bein' in 2 pieces, that I will have to fix today, then the test drive and
cleanin' up my mess. (wife's a little peeved about the JEEP widow thing, so
i'll have to do a little patchin' up here also). But other than that, I'll
be there, I have to check on the CJ-7 guy lacking experience, Ross and his
whole famn damily are gonna be there, I had no takers on a copilot so I'm
using one of his boys to fill the shotgun seat. Neighbors down the street,
Buzz and Stacey are going in their JEEP. And I've burned enough daylight
writin' this. Got a full day ahead. Everyone Be Good.
Later
----- Original Message -----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@m...>
Sent: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] head count for Sunday
> Hi all
>
> Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White
Tanks
> Mtns. So far the list is:
>
> Linda
> William and friends (maybe)
> Scott
> Troy
> Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
>
> Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit
114
> (Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
> usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
>
>
> -Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
> -FSJ List Administrator
> -Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1189 From: <tquinn@u...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 8:23am
Subject: Short trip
Can anyone out there recommend a short, not too nasty, but not too easy, trip for an early morning Sunday run? I can't make the White Tanks tomorrow, although that sounds fun! I'm leaving for vacation Wednesday and don't get to take the Jeep. :( I need to get in as much "Jeep time" as I can before leaving to help ease the pain.
We usually hit Box Canyon, Coke Ovens, Martinez, the whole area since I leave in the East Valley. So we're looking for something of a similar challenge that we can get to, through, and back in 5 or 6 hours.
Many years ago as a kid I remember riding ATV's around Sunflower off the Beeline highway. Has anyone seen any good trails that way? I've got the 'famous' AZ 4x4 trails book, but I know there's more out there!! We've hit most of those already and are looking for a new challenge.
Any suggestions?
I'm new to the group, so after vacation I hope to make some of the runs and meet all the folks. By the amount of advice, chatter, and talk of Jeeps, it sounds like you're a great group of people.
Thanks!
Tom
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1190 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 9:04am
Subject: Re: head count for Sunday
I may make this. Couldn't make today's (Sat) run, so I may see you Sunday.
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@futureone.com>
To: AZVJC <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 12:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] head count for Sunday
Hi all
Just trying to put together a head count for Sunday's run to the White Tanks
Mtns. So far the list is:
Linda
William and friends (maybe)
Scott
Troy
Len and 2 non-Jeep friends
Did I miss anybody? We're going to meet at the Love's truckstop at exit 114
(Miller Road) west of Buckeye at 8am Sunday morning. CB channel 4, as
usual. Bring lots of water....it's going to be hot!
-Len Sullivan 1978 J-10
-FSJ List Administrator
-Phoenix, AZ ICQ# 38601959
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1191 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 9:16am
Subject: Re: Short trip
There are several great trails in the Sunflower area, but some should not be taken alone (class 3+ to 4). However, there are several lighter ones that you might enjoy:
1- Power Line trail...past Sunflower on the left, look for the Power Lines. The trail follows these to Bartlett Lake. Class 2
2- Reno Pass light class 3. Go to the Web site for directions
3- Indian Springs trail class 2. Go toward Sunflower, and several miles before Sunflower you'll come to Sycamore Creek (signed), go left (west) over SR87 and take dirt road to the creek. Parallel the creek for a very short distance and you'll see a trail to the right. It has a FS #, but I forget what it is. This will take you toward Maverick Mtn to the NW, but won't get you there. However, it's a pretty nice and short trail. If your into rock hounding, there are some Quartz outcroppings along the way. The trail ends in Indian Springs wash.
Doug
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From: tquinn@uswestmail.net <tquinn@uswestmail.net>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, June 12, 1999 8:25 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Short trip
Can anyone out there recommend a short, not too nasty, but not too easy, trip for an early morning Sunday run? I can't make the White Tanks tomorrow, although that sounds fun! I'm leaving for vacation Wednesday and don't get to take the Jeep. :( I need to get in as much "Jeep time" as I can before leaving to help ease the pain.
We usually hit Box Canyon, Coke Ovens, Martinez, the whole area since I leave in the East Valley. So we're looking for something of a similar challenge that we can get to, through, and back in 5 or 6 hours.
Many years ago as a kid I remember riding ATV's around Sunflower off the Beeline highway. Has anyone seen any good trails that way? I've got the 'famous' AZ 4x4 trails book, but I know there's more out there!! We've hit most of those already and are looking for a new challenge.
Any suggestions?
I'm new to the group, so after vacation I hope to make some of the runs and meet all the folks. By the amount of advice, chatter, and talk of Jeeps, it sounds like you're a great group of people.
Thanks!
Tom
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1192 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 0:56pm
Subject: so much for 4-wheeling this weekend
I hope I was the only casulty on FR42 this weekend! Barely on the trail and had to turn back! I managed to get to Darner Jeep before they closed. I bought a new bushing for the left upper control arm ($26) and decided to go by an alignment shop to get an idea of what it would take to get it replaced. I think I am going to do it myself since it isn't an extreme press fit. I think a pitman arm puller and slide hammer will do the job.
Anyway, what happened was when we took off down the trail after airing down, I decided to put the transfer case in full-time 4wd. This put enough stress on the front axle to make the axle shift and clunk. Not a good thing! I have known that this bushing was going to have to be replaced for quite some time so
I wasn't surprised when this happened.
I guess the trip to the White Tanks on Sunday is out. I'll be wrenching on the Jeep the rest of the weekend.
Hope you all had a good time!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd -- mostly stock ;-)
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1193 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sat Jun 12, 1999 4:08pm
Subject: FR42
Just got home from the run. We finished up at Horseshoe Lake at 2:00. For
those that left by way of Indian Springs wash after lunch, the second half
of the run went very fast as we cruised thru the sandy washes.
The headcount as I remember was 6 TJ's, 1 YJ, 3 XJ's, 1 ZJ (Linda who left
early), 1 CJ, and a Toyota Fourrunner <was he lost?> ;)
I had a great time and am looking forward to seeing the pics. I'd appreciate
it if those of you who took pics could e-mail them to me.
Scott Kruize
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1194 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 5:25am
Subject: No Skidplates!
Got everything done on JEEP except the skidplates, so I won't be running any 4.0 trails today. Still going for all the rest of the four wheelin' tho'. We're leaving early, about 6:00 am, be there around 7:00 am I'll monitor channel 4 for you guys. I''m towing the JEEP out with a sky blue ford extended cab 4x4, Ross is in a root beer brown '84 CJ-7, and Buzz is in a forest green CJ-7. (I totally wimped out for the hot ride home, my tow vehicle has AC!! ). See you out there.
Wildcat
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/mercedes/675
55' CJ3B........340 BUICK V-8, HEI, K&N
SM420, SPICER 18, OD, 5.38:1, ARB'S
3/4 TON AXLES, 4 WHEEL DISC 'S, KC
WARN 8274, LINK-ARC, 33" BFG'S, CB
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1195 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 5:41am
Subject: PhotoPoint url
Can anyone remind me of the url and instructions for posting pix to the VJC
site on PhotoPoint? I run 2 computers and I can't seem to find it on either.
I have posted the Bartlett to Horseshoe pix on my site for now. I will also
send them to Scott K. and PhotoPoint VJC once I get the instructions.
URL for my site later this AM.
Great run, Scott. Thanks.
Jon
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602-816-6240
jloveless@e...
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1196 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 8:12am
Subject: B2H (Bartlett to Horseshoe)
Pix from Scott Kruize led Saturday run from Bartlett Lake to Horseshoe Dam.
I will post more from the videos a bit later.
These photos started put at 1280x960. They were resized to 640x480 and
saved as 75% compression JPEG's for Internet efficiency. If anyone wants an
original (about 900k) email me with the name of the picture.
These will be moved to the AZVJC PhotoPoint site as soon as I get
instructions on how and where.
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=22547&a=266293
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602-816-6240
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1197 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 11:48am
Subject: Fragged Clutch
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
Later.
Wildcat
http://silverstone.fortunecity.com/mercedes/675
55' CJ3B........340 BUICK V-8, HEI, K&N
SM420, SPICER 18, OD, 5.38:1, ARB'S
3/4 TON AXLES, 4 WHEEL DISC 'S, KC
WARN 8274, LINK-ARC, 33" BFG'S, CB
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1198 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 8:53am
Subject: Re: PhotoPoint url
In a message dated 6/13/99 5:47:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jloveless@e... writes:
> Can anyone remind me of the url and instructions for posting pix to the VJC
> site on PhotoPoint? I run 2 computers and I can't seem to find it on
either.
>
Just email a message with the photo attached to:
photos@p...
The body can be blank, but the subject line must read exactly:
"Account: azvjc@a..."
without the quotes.
That will get it to the incoming folder. Just email me when done and I'll
create an album for this trip and put them in there.
Thanks!
-- Dan
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1199 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 3:17pm
Subject: Re: Fragged Clutch
Well bill you missed a real nice trail... had 5 or 6 Jeeps run up the class 4 and like 3 take the chicken trail.... get it fixed, and we will have a run at it on saturday the 19th. Now that Shannon (my wife has run it, we need to get linda to get that jeep fixed and all try it again... Got hot there at the end.. glad to be home in the A/C
Troy Franks
69 Wagoneer
Shannon Franks
88 Cherokee
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From: William Mish
To: Ross W Skinner ; AZ_VJC
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 1999 11:48 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Fragged Clutch
Well, it appears I've joined the ranks of those who never made it to the trailhead today...The plan was simple enough, go out and have a good time with the gang out west of White Tanks, I barely got the JEEP off the trailer, when disaster struck in the form of an extremely disheartening grinding and chewing noise emminating from the drivetrain. At first, it was assumed I had grenaded the tranny, but closer inspection upon arrival back home, revealed the culprit of the God Awful crunching sound from underneath my JEEP to actually be the clutch. I can't see it making that much noise without at least the pressure plate being completely nuked. Well, I think the only appropriate action would be to wallow in my own self pity for at least today (while everyone else has fun) and then tear it apart starting tomorrow..sob,... sniffle,... It only makes it worse that this would have been my first run with you guys, Geez, I hope this doesn't set the tone for future trips. I guess in a way it beats having to take a strap all the way back from the middle of the run. Guess that just goes to show you, mechanical failure has no prejudice. Be Good.
Later.
Wildcat
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1200 From: <AZVJC@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 13, 1999 4:05pm
Subject: Photos of Bartlett/Horseshoe FR-42 trip
Greetings!
Dan, your humble list manager has an album of photos for you to
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Here is a message describing the photos:
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