Axles????

[RBROTHER]

I understand that my d35 axles are not strong enough for any serious rock crawling. I was wondering if i could get some advice on replacements

[CaptainMorgan]

I super 30 kit is usually a good idea for those who dont want to actually sawp thier axle to a new unit. It basically relaces all the insides with parts camparable to the dana44 besides the ring gear. 30 spline alloy shafts and a locker will take your Jeep a ways.

Then there is an Axle Swap. I would reccomend a Ford 8.8 or a Jeep dana44. There is a lot of info on this. I am sure if you look around you will find all the answers you need.

[Allen]

Yeah, I'm running a locked 35 and I've got my fingers crossed! I carry extra spare parts to completely rebuild it, but it's really only on the road that it makes odd noises! If it breaks I know it's going to be while pulling into traffic!!

That said there are plenty of options that I've looked into. The 8.8 is popular and most will swear by them. Not too expensive either. The D44 is an easy swap IF you can find one!! Price is a little steeper for one that just bolts in, but stock they are stronger than any super duper extra heavy duty D35 out there! There is also the 9" but I dont know much about them. The D60 is the big daddy of axles, but they are usually full size width axles and will need a fsw front to match up, or need shortened!

Contact any of the parts and service vendors for prices and a more tecnical description of the swaps and options available for these axles.

[TRobertsRN]

Recent issue of JP magazine has a M 715 on the cover. This is a late sixties military pickup that is 1.25 ton rated if I remember right.

Either way that is not important, what is important is the axle article inside. Breaks down in order of strength front and rear replacement axles for Jeeps.

Very informative.

Had I read this article first I would not have a 12 bolt in the rear of mine.

[AZLugz]

A friend just had the 35 pulled out of his 91 yj and replaced with a 44. Desert fab did the work and did a fantstic job. They aslo put in a set of 4.88's in both axles and master rebuild kits with new drums and brakes on the back. Total job cost less than he expected to pay for the 4.88's installed i te 35 with the super 35 kit.

Don't waste money on a 35, go see Todd or Dave at Desert Fab and do the job right!!!

[lancetkenyon]

Like all have said, don't bother with a SUper Turdy five kit. Most replace with an 8.8 from an Exploder. Waggy D44 is a great candidate, as well as a TJ D44. Harder to come by though. Depending on what you seriously plan on in the future, a Chevy 14 bolt or D60 could be in your future. Also depends on what you want to spend and how or who you want to build it. Ford 9" is also a candidate, but not many people run them. Portals or Rockwells are out there too, but you better have a big expense account.

[Pac8541]

I'm gonna go with a HP D44 and a 9" out of a late 70's Ford with mine. I think that'll cover just about everything I could ever wanna do.

The D44's out of a Scout II are good candidates also and the width is about perfect according to some.

[amber.hodge]

I understand that my d35 axles are not strong enough for any serious rock crawling. I was wondering if i could get some advice on replacements

If serious is bigger than 33 inch tires, you are right - if you don't want bigger than that for now you should be fine (as we have been fine)

If your idea of serious rock crawling is above lance's level....I'd fab some rockwells. :D

[lancetkenyon]

If serious is bigger than 33 inch tires, you are right - if you don't want bigger than that for now you should be fine (as we have been fine)

If your idea of serious rock crawling is above lance's level....I'd fab some rockwells. :D

I wish I could afford some Rockwells..........4.5+-5.0 is as high as I am gonna get, til I can save up for a buggy in about 2 years. Then I will tackle the 5.0+-5.5s.:D

[amber.hodge]

Yeah. It would be cool to find some.

[Robert Nevada]

Yeah. It would be cool to find some.Rockwell axles are readily available but be prepare to drop a fair amount of coin on them.

Also, you will need to install new links, brackets, drive shafts, wheels + tires, etc.

Not to mention the need for a trailer and truck to get your rig to the trail.

[AZXJ]

We currently have avial..

8.8's
D44's
9inch
Toy 8"
D60
14T

We can build to order.. Gears, lockers, Alloy axles, Trusses, link mounts, HD diff covers, and Disk brake kits..

Dave
480-288-4213

[amber.hodge]

Rockwell axles are readily available but be prepare to drop a fair amount of coin on them.

Also, you will need to install new links, brackets, drive shafts, wheels + tires, etc.

Not to mention the need for a trailer and truck to get your rig to the trail.

How much would you say? I heard about them for 500.00 out of california someplace..:confused:

[FrenchChili]

There was a d44 from a cherokee on craigslist for $200. Not sure if still available but if it was me I'd get it.

[GRUNT]

All constructive critizism is good... You gotta take most with a grain of salt. I have been jeepin with my friends for years and we have been doing 4.0-4.5 with D35 and 35" tires. Is that wise? Probably not... What one must understand is that it mostly depends on the driver. If someone is patient and knows how to find the correct line then they can make due with less. I have seen people from this forum brake things but it is because they are impatient and don't know the limits of the vehicle. A common misconseption is if I give it more gas I can make it! Sometimes it is even the spotters and not the driver that causes the damage. You got to go into this with an understanding of what you are going to do. If you are planning on 37"s and doing 5.o trails then save for the best axle. If you are doing 3.5 trails a D35 is fine. Now with that said.... I bought a Super35 kit because at the time I did not plan on doing more, could not find a bolt it D44 and did not have the money to go custom/Currie/etc... Now I have run with the big dogs on my Super35 and 4cyl but I should have saved for the bigger/better axles. My new JP mag has a Currie 9" all parts but unassembled/unwelded for less than my Super35 installed. DesertFab, 4wheelers or the guys at Absolute Offroad can get you what you need... After that rambling what I am trying to tell you, you can live with a 35 but the money you spend beefing it up you can get a good/custom axle and a few less ulcers....... I will be going with the Currie 9" when I change my drivetrain....

[amber.hodge]

All constructive critizism is good... You gotta take most with a grain of salt. I have been jeepin with my friends for years and we have been doing 4.0-4.5 with D35 and 35" tires. Is that wise? Probably not... What one must understand is that it mostly depends on the driver. If someone is patient and knows how to find the correct line then they can make due with less. I have seen people from this forum brake things but it is because they are impatient and don't know the limits of the vehicle. A common misconseption is if I give it more gas I can make it! Sometimes it is even the spotters and not the driver that causes the damage. You got to go into this with an understanding of what you are going to do. If you are planning on 37"s and doing 5.o trails then save for the best axle. If you are doing 3.5 trails a D35 is fine. Now with that said.... I bought a Super35 kit because at the time I did not plan on doing more, could not find a bolt it D44 and did not have the money to go custom/Currie/etc... Now I have run with the big dogs on my Super35 and 4cyl but I should have saved for the bigger/better axles. My new JP mag has a Currie 9" all parts but unassembled/unwelded for less than my Super35 installed. DesertFab, 4wheelers or the guys at Absolute Offroad can get you what you need... After that rambling what I am trying to tell you, you can live with a 35 but the money you spend beefing it up you can get a good/custom axle and a few less ulcers....... I will be going with the Currie 9" when I change my drivetrain....

even with our limited experience.......X2

[Allen]

Yeah, Thats where I'm probably headed too. 9"s are supposed to be pretty stout!

[GRUNT]

The add was a pretty good deal! I got buddies who weld and all I need for them to do is weld on my perches/shockmounts. I can transfer my Teraflex disc breaks from my D35 to the currie... Very Stout indeed!

[RBROTHER]

Thanks For All The Info.

I Have One More Question... I Dont See Any Discusion Of The Front Axle.
Do I Need To Change That Or Is It Only The Rear That Is A Problem?

[CaptainMorgan]

You have the HP30, which is actually better than the LP30 in TJ's due to gained strength in the ring and pinon. I think all you might want or need is chromo shafts and a vaccum actuator disconnect eliminator kit. This will make for years of trouble free service from the HP30 as far as I know.

[RBROTHER]

Thanks

[GRUNT]

I had the alloy axles and an ARB pu tin my YJ, which eliminated the Vacum(sp?!) disconnect. The guys at 4 Wheelers in Phx hooked me up and had the items in stock that day! Talk to Cole at 4Wheelers Supply... They told me for what I was doing that this set up would last me forever. Also in my JP mag they stated that this set up, the HP30 with alloy axles will stand up for anyone running 35" and below, and is suitable for 37" but not recommended if you run intense!

Note - When you get the Alloy Axles make sure you specify the kit with the higher spline count and larger U-joints.

[Robert Nevada]

How much would you say? I heard about them for 500.00 out of california someplace..:confused:Try here. (http://www.usa6x6.com/products_and_services/2.5ton_rockwell.html)

[RBROTHER]

Ok

[SHNIPE]

I went with a Tacoma rear axle. marginally stronger/same as a D44 but with more clearance and a thrid member like the ford 9. and i got it for $250 or so WITH a powertrax no slip locker already in it.

Front is a HPD44. I heard these are junk and ill break them but we will see :D

[lancetkenyon]

I had the alloy axles and an ARB pu tin my YJ, which eliminated the Vacum(sp?!) disconnect. The guys at 4 Wheelers in Phx hooked me up and had the items in stock that day! Talk to Cole at 4Wheelers Supply... They told me for what I was doing that this set up would last me forever. Also in my JP mag they stated that this set up, the HP30 with alloy axles will stand up for anyone running 35" and below, and is suitable for 37" but not recommended if you run intense!

Note - When you get the Alloy Axles make sure you specify the kit with the higher spline count and larger U-joints.

A.K.A.-Super 30 kit. 30 spline inner shafts with 760 joints and a 30 spline D30 locker. You can also upgrade to 30 spline outers and 30 spline unit bearings, and go with a super joint, like Yukon, Alloy USA or Longfields. Then the only thing limiting your strength is the R&P. You would basically have a Rubi D44 with a smaller R&P.

Depending on the type of trails you run, a Super 30 kit would get you through all but the toughest trails. Up to and including 5.0s with a light throttle foot. Just make sure you don't bind it up. If you plan on not running anything harder than a 4.5 or so, I think just upgrading to 27 spline Alloy USA shafts would be sufficient. And save a LOT of money too.

[RBROTHER]

Thanks