Soldiers being spit on in Flagstaff

[amber.hodge]

So there was an officer downrange yesterday from the Flagstaff area stating they are experiencing a problem with the civilian population spitting on soldiers. :mad: I understand they may not agree with what the United States is doing and the wars we are fighting as they have freedom of their own opinions....but...US SOLDIERS DO NOT PICK THE WARS, THEY JUST FOLLOW ORDERS AND FIGHT THEM. I cannot express how disgusted I am to hear this, nor can I express just how physically hurt someone up there will be if they spit on me.:mad: This is just uncalled for.

[Papa Mo]

That really pisses me off :mad: who the hell do those people think they are spitting on people who fight for the freedoms they take for granted!! Weather or not I agree with the war or any war...these folks are just doing what they are told. I'd be willing to bet those spitting never served in the armed forces! :eek:

[ohiotj]

Thats just messed up.

[knockonit]

HMMM, where and when did this happen, how about a little more info.
Was the mistreatment due to service rendered or otherwise.
Haven't heard of any stateside mistreatement other than politicians and some liberal banty, would like to track this if possible.

would like to know more please
thanks

rj

[06GrnRubi]

HMMM, where and when did this happen, how about a little more info. rj

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[Hunter]

This wouldnt surprise me. 96-98, I spent alot of time in Flagstaff, went in NAU for 3 sesmesters. While small, there was a strong crowd of the tree-hugger-peace-demanding-hippy extremests. I have some freinds that comaperd it to Seattle.

Breaks my heart. The ultimate case of "biting the hand that feeds you."

[amber.hodge]

Near campus area. Soldiers just in uniform in the town walking down the street...just being soldiers...doing soldierly things - like breathing, walking, talking about stuff, figuring out where to go eat....That is the extent of my information.
I am sure it would have made the news if the soldiers beat the "spitters" up, but since it didn't; I assume they shook it off...I don't have that restraint....Patchouli wearing lice having dope smoking communist hippies (no confirmation on if it was hippies but I can assume that much). Move to France. Or Mexico...
I had a friend have coffee thrown at them a while back up there, but spitting is unbelievable...I got a buddy up there and will do some poking around.

[Washington_XJ]

HMMM, where and when did this happen, how about a little more info.


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This wouldnt surprise me. 96-98, I spent alot of time in Flagstaff, went in NAU for 3 sesmesters. While small, there was a strong crowd of the tree-hugger-peace-demanding-hippy extremests. I have some freinds that comaperd it to Seattle.

Have you ever been to Seattle?

[amber.hodge]

Emailed buddy, here is response:

There are hippie granola treehuggin protesting dip****s that have spit on soldiers in the old downtown area.

[Keith Haw]

Had that happen to me in Boston airport back in 71. I was young then and didn't know how to react. After that I decided it would never happen to me again, unanswered, or any of my brothers and sisters in arms when I was around. I have all the respect in the world for freedom, but someone is going to get there butt stomped if it happens around me. I have no use for cowards that do not have the balls to fight for there freedom or want to abuse those that do. Sorry I get a little heated over these things so I'll get off my soapbox for now.
Keith

[amber.hodge]

I get heated also. I stewed over this for 24 hours before posting up about it so that I could say it and have more than 5 words in a row that didn't get edited down to ***'s.......Bastages...My aunt had a good solution for hippies back in the 70's....her and her brother would tackle them and cut all their hair off during anti war protests...... :D

[shannonmac]

i might get bashed for this, but I have no problem with people protesting against a war, this is America, if you want to march b/c you don't support what our government is doing that is fine. I do however find a problem with any backlash towards the military, they didn't make the decision to go to war, they are following the orders that they were told they would have to follow when they joined...however it does go both ways...
if you are going to terrorize people protesting, they might backlash against you...
if you are going to terrorize the military, they might backlash against you...

the point is the people who were elected make these decisions, we all have a right to either support the decisions of the elected or not, but not supporting the decisions of the elected, does not mean that you take out your anger and frustration towards your elected officials on members of the US Military...get out and vote instead

[amber.hodge]

i might get bashed for this, but I have no problem with people protesting against a war, this is America, if you want to march b/c you don't support what our government is doing that is fine.

I do not have a problem with anti-war protests which are peaceful (the legal kind). I wear the uniform so you can do that. I support your right to say whatever you want and do whatever you want and even act like a piece of trash and the scum of the earth and burn the flag. Doesn't mean I agree with your opinion and am not enflamed when I see the flag I defend burned by someone. Doesn't mean I don't have to restrain myself from kicking their front teeth in. What I posted above about my aunt is just something not right that she did which I found humorous (you'd have to know my aunt - she's barely 5 feet tall and a spitfire redhead).

I do however find a problem with any backlash towards the military, they didn't make the decision to go to war, they are following the orders that they were told they would have to follow when they joined...however it does go both ways...
if you are going to terrorize people protesting, they might backlash against you...
if you are going to terrorize the military, they might backlash against you...

I know that in this case, the soldiers had not terrorized the protesters. I have had mill avenue protesters shout at me and make threatening comments as I minded my own business in uniform before. Spitting on another human being is not right, and even though you say "terrorize the military" which is in a way accurate; you are dehumanizing the soldier. It is an isolated soldier who you don't know his/her political beliefs or anything - why would you terrorize them. It is like if I went and started attacking people because they worked at KB homes.

[Stoy]

Here I go again. As a Bar owner and past bouncer never mind thes people are serving our country for our freedoms! there are a few things that a person will NOT stand for they are: someone hitting a female and the number one thing that is as low as low can get you do not spit on any one! if this happens usually the person who spits gets a severve a** whooppin. If these service persons refrained them selves they are better persons than most of the rest of the population. The so called spitters in my mind are as much of a coward as you can get. Shame on them they are dirt in my mind! yes these service members are fighting for the freedoms so that we may all have and be proud of our own opinion but this has gone way to far. like I say Shame on these spitters they should be taken out back and given a good A** whoopin!

[amber.hodge]

John P needs to get his students under control :D (I'm jokin John - know it wasn't your students)

On a serious note, I have half a mind to go up to flag and wonder around minding my business in my uniform for a weekend...

[GRUNT]

Flame me if you must but here is my 2 cents...
I gave 8 years of my life so you can say what you want. As ShannonMac stated, it should be done constructively. If you don't like something then speak about it, vote about it, etc... but IT DOES NOT GIVE YOU THE RIGHT TO SPIT ON A US SOLDIER!
These are hippie college kids that find associations in groups, they think they are part of some noble cause.....
I have done my time. Back in the day I would stand and protect you while you burned the flag or protested against any war, all the while steaming inside my head wanting to STOMP YOUR GUTS OUT!. I will still do that today, freedom of speech... Back then I would have bit my tongue while you spit on me in my uniform. It wouldn't have passed the TV test for me to break some hippie liberal sh!tbags neck.
BUT NOW?!?!?!? I am not in uniform and if I see you(misguided hippies) spit on anyone much less a soldier... They are gonna have to pry my *** off of you as a pund your dirty, dreadlock wearing, pot smelling, get a damn job face THROUGH the pavement. I will punch your face sooo hard and soooo fast it will burst into flames!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jeezy-Creezy, I didn't think anything would make me more mad than illegal immigration and affirmative action but.....

I let a guy live after spitting in my face at the "lighthouse" out by Luke after he was harrassing a girl. The bartender did not want to call the cops cause this drunk was one of his "civy regulars." He didn't make it out in the parking lot though. Some thoughtful airmen made sure he got to his car okay..*whump, whump!!*:D:D:D

[Hivemind]

Just like we don't wish to be judged by outlaw wheelers wrecking the desert. We need to be careful not to put all "Hippies" in one basket either, blanket hatred is what gets this kind of thing started in the first place.

[amber.hodge]

I don't hate all hippies. I razz them, but they would razz me for the way I vote. I do, however hate those who would do this.

[RokNRich]

Just like we don't wish to be judged by outlaw wheelers wrecking the desert. We need to be careful not to put all "Hippies" in one basket either, blanket hatred is what gets this kind of thing started in the first place.

YEP
;)

[GRUNT]

Okay, you are right I get the point. But I still will pound whomever I see do it, regardless of thier affiliation.....

[shannonmac]

I don't think its a liberal hippie thing...I think it's an ignorant, no concern for another human being thing...
hell I'm a liberal, I said it
will you ever see me spit on someone...no
want to know why?
because that is the most disgusting, degrading thing you could ever do!!!
I don't care what you say to my face
what you say behind my back
what you believe in
whatever...
I would never lower myself to ever, ever, ever do something so vile as that!!!!


seriously the thought of it just grosses me out!!!!

[Hivemind]

I don't hate all hippies. I razz them, but they would razz me for the way I vote. I do, however hate those who would do this.

RAZZ:D



I agree with the sentiments of this thread 100% I'll kick *** right beside you.

[ademster]

I know who the people are who are spitting....



they stand in front of city hall... usually wearing black...

This has happened many many times....

stupid POS tree hungin bastages

[Tom Schenk]

Ironically, most Flagstaff hippies are really trustafarians.

[GRUNT]

hell I'm a liberal, I said it...
Good for you, can I still be your friend after lib bashing? :D I will behave, I promise! :o

[shannonmac]

Good for you, can I still be your friend after lib bashing? :D I will behave, I promise! :o

hahaha yeah yeah yeah
you republicans never behave! ;)
:D

[knockonit]

I also dealt with the veggie attack in 69 after my first tour, at san fran internation aero port, got 90 days for a young just 23 hours out of country marine beating the snot out of three fellas, ( a few of them Berkley folks got outta hand) ( Oh yeah married a Berkley grad)so,
I would have to say the spitting or intent is the work of some very uniformed citizens, and will make it a mission to locate these citizens and educate them in proper etiquet towards our people in uniform.
I do a considerable amount of business in flag and know many busines peole in the old town, and will continue to look into this and find the establishment where this happened and will most definetly have a conversation with said owner if this is true, he or she could possibly help this not to occur again if it is as stated, any additional info would be appreciated.
regards
rj

[1BLKJP]

Yeah, I'd have to take it a step farther and include anyone uniform or not. Spitting on something is worse than trying to screw your girlfriend of fawk with your jeep. It's an offense punishable by blood. Guy did that to me one day in a bar and you could see my finger prints on his throat when I finally let go. Of course I was a bouncer and I was also in college so my temper was a little off back then. :D

If this is said group that Ademster referred to driving by with a cup of pee would be a fun idea. :D

[amber.hodge]

drive bys reminds me - my first civilian job out of the Navy, we had a bunch of guys that were vets go on their lunch hour down to mill ave with a family pack (the flat size one) of eggs.....
I didn't participate....but that reminded me of that time. :)

[terron gregg]

soilder or not i would of been going to jail people can be just down right dumb i like the idea of the wondering in flagstaff with the uniform

[John_P]

John P needs to get his students under control :D (I'm jokin John - know it wasn't your students).

You must love the sound of my name...:cool:

[Hunter]

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Originally Posted by Hunter
This wouldnt surprise me. 96-98, I spent alot of time in Flagstaff, went in NAU for 3 sesmesters. While small, there was a strong crowd of the tree-hugger-peace-demanding-hippy extremests. I have some freinds that comaperd it to Seattle.

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Have you ever been to Seattle?

Nope.. well, once when I was like 4 years old. In the apartments I lived in a family below us was from Seattle. The guy and I had worked together for a summer and we would chat about the "tree huggers extremists" on occasion. I caught the wrath a few times while down town because of my Land Cruiser. Some of the them really dont like SUV's all covered in mud... who knew:rolleyes:.

I was also really into the mountain bike scene and I knew I was one of the few odd men out. Being that I was a gun loving, 4x4in' dude. But, still I hung with a group that seemed to over look the fact while I sat around and listened to them go on and on about how were wasteing the world and blah blah blah. Hence, from this group, I met a few people who were also from Seattle and they explained "how much it was like home". I dont think they were talking about the climate as in weather, but more in the political climate. You could be very anti goverment, anti law, anti everything, and had a huge support group. A couple of these guys were so warped, they would talk about doing the "nails in the trees" to mess with lumberjacks.
:eek:Whacko's

[YJunk]

I'm having a lot of alergy problems right now; lets take trip up and find em so I can return fire :D I'm good for about a 25ft launch... And I appear to have an unlimited supply of ammunition.

[jeeper05]

If Im not mistaken this is actually a crime,I believe it is considered assault.While I agree with the idea of kickin the spit outa these individuals I hope none of the people in uniform sink to that level cuz we all know thats what they want our freedom keepers to do.However I for one dont have a uniform and would not be subjected to the stinkeye the the folks in uniform may be subjected to. Im seeing a simple assault charge on me dropped in exchange for me not fileing a charge of my own against the spitter and even if its not dropped whats it gonna be 200 bucks in fines 6mos probation well worth it to me not that ive ever been charged with it before Im just guessing....anybody wanna go to Flag

[TanTJJim]

Nice, that is an awesome idea Junkie:) Make the punishment fit the crime. Let's round a whole bunch of sick people and head up to Flag!

[Billy 4 hp]

Originally Posted by amber.hodge
John P needs to get his students under control (I'm jokin John - know it wasn't your students).


You must love the sound of my name...:cool:

Oh snap.....

[amber.hodge]

You must love the sound of my name...:cool:

You're growing on me, but I love the sound of the name "Ben" :D better :D

[GRUNT]

Lets go Jim...!!!! I have plenty of Marine Corps T-shirts for everyone. THey are all 2xl so for Amber it would be like a dress....

[Washington_XJ]

Nope.. well, once when I was like 4 years old. In the apartments I lived in a family below us was from Seattle. The guy and I had worked together for a summer and we would chat about the "tree huggers extremists" on occasion. I caught the wrath a few times while down town because of my Land Cruiser. Some of the them really dont like SUV's all covered in mud... who knew:rolleyes:.

I was also really into the mountain bike scene and I knew I was one of the few odd men out. Being that I was a gun loving, 4x4in' dude. But, still I hung with a group that seemed to over look the fact while I sat around and listened to them go on and on about how were wasteing the world and blah blah blah. Hence, from this group, I met a few people who were also from Seattle and they explained "how much it was like home". I dont think they were talking about the climate as in weather, but more in the political climate. You could be very anti goverment, anti law, anti everything, and had a huge support group. A couple of these guys were so warped, they would talk about doing the "nails in the trees" to mess with lumberjacks.
:eek:Whacko's

I dont want to sound rude but I dont think you have a clue. :rolleyes: There are people in every city who will sit on their soap boxes and preach peace. Also there is a difference between peace freaks and liberals against war but thats for another day... Fact is some of the most country people I know lived in Washington and most of the friends I knew in High school either went off to college for some professional job to do with law or to the army.

The folks that begin to relate seattle/washington state with peace preaching hippies are the same sad sort that will have a northern lumberman sailor spitting beachnut in their eye and stomping at the bit.

P.S. I would also give you wrath for driving a land crusier ;)

[Wayco]

Lets go Jim...!!!! I have plenty of Marine Corps T-shirts for everyone. THey are all 2xl so for Amber it would be like a dress....

I hope you are not thinking that you could actually get Amber to wear one of those.... If you try, I want to watch. :eek: And don't expect me to keep Ben in check either!
As far as trolling for "hippies" in Flagstaff goes, bad idea. I respect any Americans right to disagree with my opinion, and let circumstances dictate my response to the situation. We don't need to provoke stupid behavior, there is plenty of it without our assistance.

[amber.hodge]

LOL Grunt - you'd have to find me an XSmall so I could wear it with jeans :) Ben doesn't like the idea of me wearing a dress or skirt on trail runs :D

As for Wayco's comment, I agree that looking for them doesn't help - but if you do happen to be in Flag and see it happen, please, VERBALLY stand up for my brothers and sisters in uniform. Please also make citizens arrest and hold them for the police to get there. I think they deserve criminal records for doing this. :) those last longer than a black eye anyway ;)

[Washington_XJ]

I think its safe to say that alot of the peace fanatics that do things like spitting on soldiers are only motivated to do so if harassed- so maybe "hunting for hippies" isnt such a good idea, although it sounds fun as hell :)

[John_P]

You're growing on me, but I love the sound of the name "Ben" :D better :D

Fine.

Then stop using mine. :rolleyes:

[amber.hodge]

LOL Touchy touchy :D

[John_P]

LOL Touchy touchy :D


Touchy? If I am growing on you, then I need attention, water, food, and lots of sunlight...

I am high-maintenance . :D

[TanTJJim]

LOL Grunt - you'd have to find me an XSmall so I could wear it with jeans :) Ben doesn't like the idea of me wearing a dress or skirt on trail runs :D

As for Wayco's comment, I agree that looking for them doesn't help - but if you do happen to be in Flag and see it happen, please, VERBALLY stand up for my brothers and sisters in uniform. Please also make citizens arrest and hold them for the police to get there. I think they deserve criminal records for doing this. :) those last longer than a black eye anyway ;)

I don't wear the uniform anymore so if I saw someone doing this I'm very glad I would be able to do something about it without giving the uniform a bad name. And rest assured I would do something, acts like this make me sick. I agree with Wayco in that looking for trouble with these people would be a bad idea but if something like that were to happen in front of me......I know myself better than to think it would be a hippie beat down but they would damn well know where they stand in my opinion when I'm done. If provoked I'm damn good at making someone feel like a low life piece of crap.

[GRUNT]

Oh Jeezy Creezy people, I was being facetious. I am not driving 2 hrs to not be able to locate someone and the get even more mad!!! The point I was trying to make is, and seems to be the popular answer, it better not happen in front of me........ I, as mentioned earlier, spent 8 years in the Corps so ANYONE can voice thier opinions about ANYTHING. I did not do it so some misguided loon can spit on anyone...

[T.C.'S TOY]

The same thing happend to me and others returning from VietNam in San Francisco,a long time ago,you'd think we'd of forgot about that by now but to me it was like yesterday and probly never will.....Thom (T.C.'S TOY)

[TRobertsRN]

I was about 8 or 9 so somewhere between 1967 and 1969.

Think it had been about 2 years since I had seen my father.

He is where I got the quote at the end of each of my messages. "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". The author of this is lost in history but it is one of his and my favorite quotes. Another in my top two is not printable here and discussed "hearts and minds". He truely and strong believes this, and respects the blood spilled on both sides of history so that we enjoy this right to free speech. So what happened on that day in the late sixties must have been more than words but I am not sure.


At this time he was a USMC Capt. just off the boat from Viet Nam. The boat had taken over a month. They took this slow ride home instead of a plane by order of the Marine Corps not due to cost, but to have the time to brief them on what to expect when they got home and decompress. Things like protestors and, no a short skirt is just the syle now you wife has not become a whore.

He started as a pirvate and was in Korea and places he can't tell me about before and after Viet Nam. Was asked to help write the book on how to be a drill instructor after doing so at Paris Island. This is a man a full 6" shorter than me at 5'6" that other Marines feared. He has been mildly disappointed that his service record reflects "just under" 3000 kills by him or his troops.

I learned of his reputation among other Marines when in highschool I was playing basketball and a large young Marine tried to pick a fight with me. The Marine that ran the gym separated us. Robert Taylor was the gym boss's name. He and my father had served together in many places. He was not a Gunny at the time but I remember him as Gunny Taylor. He was about the biggest, most intimadating, most fit Marine I had ever seen. At one time he was the head PT instructor or the entire Marine corps, a stack of meat with no fat that looked like a body builder but in his late 40's ran 20 miles each morning. He looked the young Marine in the eye and said, "I am going to let this boy kick your a**, and if he can't kick your a** I will, and if I can't kick your a**, I know his father can. The young man's face was angry when he had said I was going to kick his a**, scared when Gunny said he would do it, and looked puzzed when my father was mentioned. Gunny told him who my father was, the Marine turned and left without a word.

So my first sight of my father in a couple of years is my mom tapping him on the shoulder asking him to put the long haired man down. The long haired had a blue turning purple face with feet about a foot off the ground with one of my dad's hands around his throat and the other on his own hip. Dad was using some colorful speech but was calm.

That long haired man owes his life to my mother and the head shrinkers who set up these longer trips home for in country Marines.

His friends took the lad away and to my knowledge this location saw no more protestors.

I don't know what the lad said or did but this thread reminded me of that time in my life.

My father Capt. USMC Retired is still upright and taking nurishment and reasonably happy to have not taken a life since 1972. Amoung other things he teachs high school, similar to being a drill instrutor and almost as fun according to him. I don't think I will send him information about Flagstaff. I will however send him the story about the Marine that walked away.

There is another story about how the mugging of Marines and Sailors by gang members stopped in San Diego, but that is for another time.

Some day those in Flag will cross the wrong person. I can think of no one I would spit on. And to spit on someone one in uniform is no different that punching someone because they are a "hippie".

These people are not peace loving hippies, they are just cowards and bullies. Their actions do nothing for the ideas they hide behind. They just enjoy belittleing others to make themselves feel better. This type of behaviour in the fever of the 60's while not understandable might be forgivable in my eyes. Now not so much.

It's OK to have an opinion about the war, not OK to abuse the troops.

Semper Fi,

Tom Roberts Jr., son of one hell of a Marine.

[fatboypup]

Anytime I see anyone in uniform I try to tell them thanks for their service, they need to hear it and they deserve it. Like everyone has said they don't pick the wars they just follow orders. I think they need to be brought home now thou ........

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g4/fatboypup/gas-1.jpg

[Hivemind]

Some day those in Flag with cross the wrong person. I can think of no one I would spit on. And to spit on someone one in uniform is no different that punching someone because they are a "hippie".

These people are not peace loving hippies, they are just cowards and bullies. Their actions do nothing for the ideas they hide behind. They just enjoy belittleing others to make themselves feel better. This type of behaviour in the fever of the 60's while not understandable might be forgivable in my eyes. Now not so much.

It's OK to have an opinion about the war, not OK to abuse the troops.


Good Words!

[TanTJJim]

Tom, thank you for that amazing story. I can't put into words the pride I feel after reading that, thank you.

[amber.hodge]

Thanks Tom :)

[TRobertsRN]

Tom, thank you for that amazing story. I can't put into words the pride I feel after reading that, thank you.


Jim, you and Amber are very welcome.

And thanks to all for this thread.

I emailed dad the part about the gym. He did not remeber me telling him that. I guess I had never told him that story. He would not have forgotten it as he remembers things about he and I and Gunny Taylor in great detail. I think Gunny Taylor still owns a gym in Phoenix.

He wrote me back that he got a laugh out of it and asked if he was really that tough an mean. Maybe I should have used the word respected instead of feared.:D

[YGOHOME]

I dont want to sound rude but I dont think you have a clue. :rolleyes: There are people in every city who will sit on their soap boxes and preach peace. Also there is a difference between peace freaks and liberals against war but thats for another day... Fact is some of the most country people I know lived in Washington and most of the friends I knew in High school either went off to college for some professional job to do with law or to the army.

The folks that begin to relate seattle/washington state with peace preaching hippies are the same sad sort that will have a northern lumberman sailor spitting beachnut in their eye and stomping at the bit.

P.S. I would also give you wrath for driving a land crusier ;)

I was born and raised in Seattle... lived there for 17 yrs... washington is a very liberal state. I miss the puedget sound but it is VERY liberal. Kindof like Minneapolis.

lol... now lets hear from the minnesota folks. :D

[tomfooshee]

Back in the day we'd survive Vietnam and be proud to wear the uniform. Wear it to church with the family on Sunday. Some fur ball hippie would spit on the uniform and I had to clean his clock for him. Back then the police, vets themselves, would take three attempts to load the hippie in the back. They remembered on the third attempt to open the door. Mel Gibson did a movie where he was a teacher with half his faced burned. He was helping some kid with his studies. I remember the scene where the kid came home and his mom was on the couch with this hippie with his dandyloin hair cut and tie died shirt. My son could hear me cussing that hippie sob out loud in the theater.

Now days you can call the police on the spitters for getting their body fluids on you and endangering your health. They more than likely have aids or hepititus.