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1001 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 11:37pm
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Jeff,
Thanks for the offer. My sister has one and neglected to tell me about it.
Also I am getting the pictures of the run I made on Broken Arrow two weeks
ago on disk so I can send them to the az_vjc photo album.
Will be about a week or so before I can get them back.
Thanks agian for the offer I really appreciate it.
Dave (azxj)
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From: jeffm@d... <jeffm@d...>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 8:05 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>Dave -
>
>I've got a color scanner if you've got some pics you want scanned in. Let
me know -
>
>Jeff Meade - Chandler
>jeffm@d...
>'98 XJ
>'68 CJ5
>
> <003701be9e95$364415e0$0200000-@default> wrote:
>Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=996
>>
>> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
>> thanks again
>> Dave (azxj)
>>
>>
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1002 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:42am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are you
sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: oboyle@mindspring.com [mailto:oboyle@mindspring.com]
Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I was wondering,
does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is
basicly stock with 31x10.5
tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can
this be done on a YJ?)
I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned
to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this
happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects
for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
thanks again
Dave (azxj)
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1003 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:55am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
trailhead.
Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
body lift.) Whatever works for you.
I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
your YJ any how.
"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>
> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are you
> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is
> basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can
> this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned
> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this
> happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects
> for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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1004 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 8:09am
Subject: Product Review
One of the ideas behind starting this group was to share experiences about Jeep's and related upgrades. I found one that I really like and thought I'd share my thoughts.
Desert Fabrication (here in the Valley) makes a differential protection plate for most Dana diff's. I picked one up for my Dana 30 (TJ - front) about 3 months ago for $45 plus tax. It has paid for itself at least 3 times, where it took a hit that would have likely damaged the coverplate, and possible resulted in loss of fluid. A cheep upgrade, when you think of if. It consists of a flat plate bolts on to the diff (providing some protection there), and welded to it is a heavy plate that follows the contour of the ring gear protrusion (the most vulnerable part).
Installation is simple, and (it is said) can be done w/o taking off the cover plate...but I used it as an opportunity to change out my diff fluid. One suggestion...they say you can reuse the stock bolts...but they're really not long enough...so your well advised to get longer ones. The stock ones will hold...but with very little thread (1/4 inch or so) holding it in. If you opt to install w/o taking off the cover plate, you'll need to hold it in place while your putting on the plate, just in case it decides to pop off.
If you'd like more inf./pictures, here's there Web site...go to diff. cover plate link
http://www.geocities.com/Baja/Canyon/7127/desert.html
DougB
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1005 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 8:10am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I yanked both the front & rear track bars off. Yes it wanders a bit but you
get used to it (rides like a CJ). I found that it flexed much better without
them. I was able to put much longer shocks on & gain about 6-8" of downward
travel without them. I wouldn't recommend really long shackles I had 1-1/2"
(3/4" lift) ones on the front of mine & I always dragged them across rocks &
stuff.
Remember if you pull the track bar off to put stiffer shackles on. The stock
YJ ones are meant to flex and cause major wandering on the street.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:56 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
trailhead.
Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
body lift.) Whatever works for you.
I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
your YJ any how.
"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>
> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are
you
> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich
is
> basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar.
(can
> this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
mentioned
> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does
this
> happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick
disconnects
> for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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1006 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 9:45am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Thanks to all who helped. I think a decision has been made. I told my buddy
about all the options and he likes the extended shackle method
with quick disconnects on the front.
thanks agian
Dave (azxj)
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From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
To: 'Daver' <daver@c...>; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
<az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:17 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>I yanked both the front & rear track bars off. Yes it wanders a bit but you
>get used to it (rides like a CJ). I found that it flexed much better
without
>them. I was able to put much longer shocks on & gain about 6-8" of downward
>travel without them. I wouldn't recommend really long shackles I had 1-1/2"
>(3/4" lift) ones on the front of mine & I always dragged them across rocks
&
>stuff.
>
>Remember if you pull the track bar off to put stiffer shackles on. The
stock
>YJ ones are meant to flex and cause major wandering on the street.
>
>Eric Herring 92XJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
>Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:56 AM
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
>
>A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
>The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
>the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
>in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
>bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
>highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
>trailhead.
>
>Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
>add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
>spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
>cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
>front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
>also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
>longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
>
>A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
>levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
>body lift.) Whatever works for you.
>
>I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
>plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
>your YJ any how.
>
>"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>>
>> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are
>you
>> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that
being
>> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>>
>> Eric Herring 92XJ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
>> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>>
>> I was wondering,
>> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich
>is
>> basicly stock with 31x10.5
>> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar.
>(can
>> this be done on a YJ?)
>> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
>mentioned
>> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
>> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does
>this
>> happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick
>disconnects
>> for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
>> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
>> thanks again
>> Dave (azxj)
>> _____
>>
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1007 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 4:08pm
Subject: Ajax video (Attn: Ken in blue CJ)
Ken,
I've got some great video of you, your father in-law, and his friends going
over that tough section of Upper Ajax. If you or anybody else in the group
wants a copy, just email me and we can make arrangements. I still haven't
replaced my video capture card (fried the old one), so I can't post the pics
to the web yet.
Later,
Jeff (the guy with the video camera)
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1008 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 0:32am
Subject: Re: Ajax video (Attn: Ken in blue CJ)
<108407d989c3d211b21200600821481d1028c-@logixmail> wrote:
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> Ken,
> I've got some great video of you, your father in-law, and his friends going
> over that tough section of Upper Ajax. If you or anybody else in the group
> wants a copy, just email me and we can make arrangements. I still haven't
> replaced my video capture card (fried the old one), so I can't post the pics
> to the web yet.
>
> Later,
> Jeff (the guy with the video camera)
>
I would love to have a copy of that.Let me know how.Thanks.
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1009 From: <jokoolchav@a...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 3:48pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
I dont know if you got your shower yet, but the Sept. 98 issue of JP magazine has plans and step by step instructions on a jeep shower. Looks like it would run about $150.00 max probably less. I am going to do it. if you are interested in slugging through it togather or if you would like a copy of the plans let me know I will do what I can.
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1010 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 4:53pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
I did read that article, and that's what prompted my interest. I called everywhere I could think of for a diesel fuel pre-heater to no avail, so I make shifted a heat exchanger by using a transmission cooler off of a marine power boat and installed it inline with the XJ's heater core. The system as a whole works well, but the trans cooler doesn't heat the water near as much as the semi pre-heater would.
If you want to see the setup, I can show you sometime.
Jeff
<7hsqof$tpk-@egroups.com> wrote:
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> I dont know if you got your shower yet, but the Sept. 98 issue of JP magazine has plans and step by step instructions on a jeep shower. Looks like it would run about $150.00 max probably less. I am going to do it. if you are interested in slugging through it togather or if you would like a copy of the plans let me know I will do what I can.
>
> Joe
>
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1011 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:38pm
Subject: Rocker panel pass trail run pics
I know this wasn't a AZVJC run, but I thought some of you might like to see the pictures. They are from a trail that runs east of Highway 87.
The trailhead is West off of highway 87 (toward Payson) at the Mesquite Pass creek crossing (roughly 10 miles South of Sunflower). I *think* the trail is called Rocker Panel Pass, but I've never confirmed it.
All I have is pictures - http://www.desertwave.com/~jeffm/Temp/rpp0519/
For more information, refer to my original trail report at http://www.desertwave.com/rocker_panel_pass.html
Enjoy!,
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1012 From: <TLCU72096@a...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 8:59am
Subject: Jeep Graphics
I hope i do not draw flames for this, but I thought the group might be
interested in this idea.
I work with a guy who prints graphics that he designs onto T-shirts, and
mousepads. I thought this would be appropriate because we are a jeep group
(t-shirt) with computers (mousepad). He can put ANYTHING you want on the pad
or shirt, and they are excellent quality. I had him make me a shirt with a
picture of my Jeep on it, and I am very impressed with his work. If you want
to see an example, please e-mail me directly, and I will e-mail you an
example with prices.
To stay on subject, does anyone know how much a 1.5" lift costs, or what
brand to buy?
Thanks,
Larry Curell
94 YJ
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1013 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 1:49pm
Subject: Memorial day
Is anyone planning any runs for memorial day weekend? I would like to go camping but now the challenge of getting there is what makes the whole trip so fun! I want to take an offroad trail to a camping spot and really don't want to be on the trail alone. I still haven't finalized any thoughts on about memorial day, I was gonna see first what everyone else was up to.
Nick
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1014 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Memorial day
I have an uncle coming in for Memorial day weekend and would like to take him
off exploring & camping. Anyone interested in a little adventure?
Melinda
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1015 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Rocker panel pass trail run pics
I haven't been on that trail since 1993(?). It would make a fun night run this summer.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<7i0al7$pck-@egroups.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=1011
> I know this wasn't a AZVJC run, but I thought some of you might like to see the pictures. They are from a trail that runs east of Highway 87.
>
> The trailhead is West off of highway 87 (toward Payson) at the Mesquite Pass creek crossing (roughly 10 miles South of Sunflower). I *think* the trail is called Rocker Panel Pass, but I've never confirmed it.
>
> All I have is pictures - http://www.desertwave.com/~jeffm/Temp/rpp0519/
>
> For more information, refer to my original trail report at http://www.desertwave.com/rocker_panel_pass.html
>
> Enjoy!,
> Jeff
>
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1016 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 11:57pm
Subject: Memorial D
For Memorial day I would like to go somewhere North - Northeast. There are others that definatly know more trails and camping spots than me so if someone could through out some suggestions.... I will look through my Arizona highways and see what I come up with. I wouldn't mind doing Saturday Night and Sunday night camping. It would be an added bonus to camp near a river or running creek, Maybe we could mix in some inertubbing or something.
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1017 From: <rnealh@y...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 8:20am
Subject: Re: National Trails Day Trip
Is this an overnighter???
Rick
<pid6246.1999.May.12.7:18.579945.@egroups.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=987
> Hi All,
>
> I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
>
> Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
>
> The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
>
> No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd
>
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1018 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
John,
I am thinking of making this one too.
But I was informed by a friend today that you have to make reservations
even for camping.. Do you have any information on this? If I go I probably will camp
out due to the cost of the hotels up there being in the $60.00 dollar range per night.
I am not sure if you have to pay to camp either. So if anyone else has any info on the area please let us know...
Thanks
Dave (azxj)
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To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
Tricia and I are going to the Jeep Jamboree in Canyon de Chelly June 4,5,6. Is anyone else from this area going? Want to caravan? We are thinking of leaving very early on Thursday 6/3 (with the Sun). On the return we will probably take 2 days to take in some of Northeast AZ that we don't get to on the Jamboree. Even if you aren't up to that early but are going let me know and we can hook up when we get there. We are staying at the Best Western, Canyon de Chelly.
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1019 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:30pm
Subject: Re: National Trails Day Trip
No. We should be back at Butcher Jones by no later than midnight. It depends on the size of the group and if we have any problems.
Linda
> Is this an overnighter???
>
> Rick
>
> <pid6246.1999.May.12.7:18.579945.@egroups.com> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=987
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
> >
> > Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
> >
> > The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
> >
> > No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
> >
> > Linda
> > 93 ZJ Ltd
> >
> >
>
>
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1020 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:42pm
Subject: Memorial D trip suggestions
Gee ... I have been trying to think of a place that won't be crowded. A few come to mind, but none have a water feature:
* Cow Flat Mountain. I rated it 2.5-3.0, but that was 4 years ago. I got my Dodge truck hopelessly stuck on the steep rocky switchback.
* Dupont Cabin or there-abouts
Actually, the first two can go together. They aren't that far apart!
* China Camp. I did this last year on Memorial Day. It was pretty nice. This is in the Dragoons.
* Mount Graham. Never been there, but hear it's nice. East toward Safford.
Anyone have other ideas?
Linda
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1021 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Memorial D trip suggestions
Where is Cow Flat Mtn? Anyone know of anything up in the high country around
Williams? I'm definitely in for something and a joint Sat & Sun outing would
work well for me. And of course, cooler higher country is always a plus!
Melinda
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1022 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:06pm
Subject: Jeeping fun on eBay
I got turned on to eBay recently, and this is a lot of fun if you are into
Jeeps. eBay is an Internet auction house. I got on and searched for "Jeep"
and found all kinds of stuff, from real Jeeps to models, toys and whatnots.
For example, I found GI Joe Jeeps (with attached bazooka!), Hot Wheels Jeeps,
Jeep parking signs, parts, etc.
Just FYI...
-- Dan
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1023 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 11:33pm
Subject: M. Day
Another thought. Cherry Creek to P.B. Cabin, Set up base camp then go explore.
Nick
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1024 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 8:34am
Subject: Re: Memorial D trip suggestions
The area around Williams is wonderful! Steve and I have a lot of camping and hunting in that area. Most definitely a cool spot. There's a lava cave up there that is really neat! What a great suggestion!
The trail leading to Cow Flat Mountain starts at the north end of the Cherry Creek Road and comes out southeast of Young.
Linda
<23d88a36.2477784-@a...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/group/az_vjc/?start=1021
> Where is Cow Flat Mtn? Anyone know of anything up in the high country around
> Williams? I'm definitely in for something and a joint Sat & Sun outing would
> work well for me. And of course, cooler higher country is always a plus!
>
> Melinda
>
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1025 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 10:35am
Subject: CJ6 FS
1964 CJ6 (rare). Bone stock , 65k original miles. Originally from White
Sands Missile Base. Went from White Sands to El Paso, and has been in Az for
the last number of years. No rust. Frame straight. Everything original,
except for a replacement top (Best Top). Hurricane F4, overhead intake
valves, 3 speed, 2 stick T-case.
Haven't set the price yet, but would be interested in offers.
Those seriously interested and wanting additional info, e-mail me at
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1001 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 11:37pm
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Jeff,
Thanks for the offer. My sister has one and neglected to tell me about it.
Also I am getting the pictures of the run I made on Broken Arrow two weeks
ago on disk so I can send them to the az_vjc photo album.
Will be about a week or so before I can get them back.
Thanks agian for the offer I really appreciate it.
Dave (azxj)
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To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 8:05 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>Dave -
>
>I've got a color scanner if you've got some pics you want scanned in. Let
me know -
>
>Jeff Meade - Chandler
>jeffm@d...
>'98 XJ
>'68 CJ5
>
> <003701be9e95$364415e0$0200000-@default> wrote:
>Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=996
>>
>> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
>> thanks again
>> Dave (azxj)
>>
>>
>
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1002 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:42am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are you
sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
Eric Herring 92XJ
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Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I was wondering,
does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is
basicly stock with 31x10.5
tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can
this be done on a YJ?)
I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned
to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this
happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects
for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
thanks again
Dave (azxj)
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1003 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 7:55am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
trailhead.
Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
body lift.) Whatever works for you.
I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
your YJ any how.
"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>
> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are you
> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is
> basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can
> this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned
> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this
> happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects
> for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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1004 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 8:09am
Subject: Product Review
One of the ideas behind starting this group was to share experiences about Jeep's and related upgrades. I found one that I really like and thought I'd share my thoughts.
Desert Fabrication (here in the Valley) makes a differential protection plate for most Dana diff's. I picked one up for my Dana 30 (TJ - front) about 3 months ago for $45 plus tax. It has paid for itself at least 3 times, where it took a hit that would have likely damaged the coverplate, and possible resulted in loss of fluid. A cheep upgrade, when you think of if. It consists of a flat plate bolts on to the diff (providing some protection there), and welded to it is a heavy plate that follows the contour of the ring gear protrusion (the most vulnerable part).
Installation is simple, and (it is said) can be done w/o taking off the cover plate...but I used it as an opportunity to change out my diff fluid. One suggestion...they say you can reuse the stock bolts...but they're really not long enough...so your well advised to get longer ones. The stock ones will hold...but with very little thread (1/4 inch or so) holding it in. If you opt to install w/o taking off the cover plate, you'll need to hold it in place while your putting on the plate, just in case it decides to pop off.
If you'd like more inf./pictures, here's there Web site...go to diff. cover plate link
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1005 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 8:10am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I yanked both the front & rear track bars off. Yes it wanders a bit but you
get used to it (rides like a CJ). I found that it flexed much better without
them. I was able to put much longer shocks on & gain about 6-8" of downward
travel without them. I wouldn't recommend really long shackles I had 1-1/2"
(3/4" lift) ones on the front of mine & I always dragged them across rocks &
stuff.
Remember if you pull the track bar off to put stiffer shackles on. The stock
YJ ones are meant to flex and cause major wandering on the street.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:56 AM
To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
trailhead.
Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
body lift.) Whatever works for you.
I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
your YJ any how.
"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>
> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are
you
> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that being
> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>
> Eric Herring 92XJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich
is
> basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar.
(can
> this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
mentioned
> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does
this
> happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick
disconnects
> for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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1006 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 9:45am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Thanks to all who helped. I think a decision has been made. I told my buddy
about all the options and he likes the extended shackle method
with quick disconnects on the front.
thanks agian
Dave (azxj)
-----Original Message-----
From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
To: 'Daver' <daver@c...>; 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
<az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Monday, May 17, 1999 8:17 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>I yanked both the front & rear track bars off. Yes it wanders a bit but you
>get used to it (rides like a CJ). I found that it flexed much better
without
>them. I was able to put much longer shocks on & gain about 6-8" of downward
>travel without them. I wouldn't recommend really long shackles I had 1-1/2"
>(3/4" lift) ones on the front of mine & I always dragged them across rocks
&
>stuff.
>
>Remember if you pull the track bar off to put stiffer shackles on. The
stock
>YJ ones are meant to flex and cause major wandering on the street.
>
>Eric Herring 92XJ
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
>Sent: Monday, May 17, 1999 7:56 AM
>To: 'az_vjc@egroups.com'
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>
>
>A YJ has a sway bar in the front and a track bar both front and rear.
>The track bar in the rear can be safely removed. I have trouble telling
>the difference when I have it on or off. I have also removed my swaybar
>in the front. It rides different, but not too bad different. The track
>bar in the front, however, is another story. I get frightened at
>highway speeds without it on, so it stays on until reaching the
>trailhead.
>
>Just so you know, there is a >BIG< difference between a 2" body lift or
>add-a-leafs and a spring over axle. It doesn't sound like you want a
>spring over axle. A 1 1/4" shackle lift is probably the
>cheapest/easiest thing for you, but it will mess with your angles in the
>front, causing some steering changes. Shouldn't be too bad. It will
>also mess up your approach angle (remember the shackle has to be 2 1/2"
>longer to provide 1 1/4" of lift.)
>
>A 2" body list generally requires some welding extensions into shift
>levers. Besides, I think they look goofy (but much better than a 3"
>body lift.) Whatever works for you.
>
>I would go for a 2 1/2" spring lift, it wouldn't be terribly expensive,
>plus you'd get new shocks and whatnot, which are probably wearing out of
>your YJ any how.
>
>"Eric D. Herring" wrote:
>>
>> I did both on my YJ (add a leafs & body lift) it worked quite well. Are
>you
>> sure it has a rear sway bar? I've never seen a YJ with one, but that
being
>> the case I'm sure it's quite safe to remove.
>>
>> Eric Herring 92XJ
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oboyle@m... [mailto:oboyle@m...]
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 10:39 PM
>> To: az_vjc@egroups.com
>> Subject: [az_vjc] YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
>>
>> I was wondering,
>> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich
>is
>> basicly stock with 31x10.5
>> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar.
>(can
>> this be done on a YJ?)
>> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
>mentioned
>> to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
>> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does
>this
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1007 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon May 17, 1999 4:08pm
Subject: Ajax video (Attn: Ken in blue CJ)
Ken,
I've got some great video of you, your father in-law, and his friends going
over that tough section of Upper Ajax. If you or anybody else in the group
wants a copy, just email me and we can make arrangements. I still haven't
replaced my video capture card (fried the old one), so I can't post the pics
to the web yet.
Later,
Jeff (the guy with the video camera)
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1008 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 0:32am
Subject: Re: Ajax video (Attn: Ken in blue CJ)
<108407d989c3d211b21200600821481d1028c-@logixmail> wrote:
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> Ken,
> I've got some great video of you, your father in-law, and his friends going
> over that tough section of Upper Ajax. If you or anybody else in the group
> wants a copy, just email me and we can make arrangements. I still haven't
> replaced my video capture card (fried the old one), so I can't post the pics
> to the web yet.
>
> Later,
> Jeff (the guy with the video camera)
>
I would love to have a copy of that.Let me know how.Thanks.
Ken
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1009 From: <jokoolchav@a...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 3:48pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
I dont know if you got your shower yet, but the Sept. 98 issue of JP magazine has plans and step by step instructions on a jeep shower. Looks like it would run about $150.00 max probably less. I am going to do it. if you are interested in slugging through it togather or if you would like a copy of the plans let me know I will do what I can.
Joe
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1010 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Tue May 18, 1999 4:53pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
I did read that article, and that's what prompted my interest. I called everywhere I could think of for a diesel fuel pre-heater to no avail, so I make shifted a heat exchanger by using a transmission cooler off of a marine power boat and installed it inline with the XJ's heater core. The system as a whole works well, but the trans cooler doesn't heat the water near as much as the semi pre-heater would.
If you want to see the setup, I can show you sometime.
Jeff
<7hsqof$tpk-@egroups.com> wrote:
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> I dont know if you got your shower yet, but the Sept. 98 issue of JP magazine has plans and step by step instructions on a jeep shower. Looks like it would run about $150.00 max probably less. I am going to do it. if you are interested in slugging through it togather or if you would like a copy of the plans let me know I will do what I can.
>
> Joe
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1011 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed May 19, 1999 11:38pm
Subject: Rocker panel pass trail run pics
I know this wasn't a AZVJC run, but I thought some of you might like to see the pictures. They are from a trail that runs east of Highway 87.
The trailhead is West off of highway 87 (toward Payson) at the Mesquite Pass creek crossing (roughly 10 miles South of Sunflower). I *think* the trail is called Rocker Panel Pass, but I've never confirmed it.
All I have is pictures - http://www.desertwave.com/~jeffm/Temp/rpp0519/
For more information, refer to my original trail report at http://www.desertwave.com/rocker_panel_pass.html
Enjoy!,
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1012 From: <TLCU72096@a...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 8:59am
Subject: Jeep Graphics
I hope i do not draw flames for this, but I thought the group might be
interested in this idea.
I work with a guy who prints graphics that he designs onto T-shirts, and
mousepads. I thought this would be appropriate because we are a jeep group
(t-shirt) with computers (mousepad). He can put ANYTHING you want on the pad
or shirt, and they are excellent quality. I had him make me a shirt with a
picture of my Jeep on it, and I am very impressed with his work. If you want
to see an example, please e-mail me directly, and I will e-mail you an
example with prices.
To stay on subject, does anyone know how much a 1.5" lift costs, or what
brand to buy?
Thanks,
Larry Curell
94 YJ
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1013 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 1:49pm
Subject: Memorial day
Is anyone planning any runs for memorial day weekend? I would like to go camping but now the challenge of getting there is what makes the whole trip so fun! I want to take an offroad trail to a camping spot and really don't want to be on the trail alone. I still haven't finalized any thoughts on about memorial day, I was gonna see first what everyone else was up to.
Nick
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1014 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 1:50pm
Subject: Re: Memorial day
I have an uncle coming in for Memorial day weekend and would like to take him
off exploring & camping. Anyone interested in a little adventure?
Melinda
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1015 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu May 20, 1999 5:58pm
Subject: Re: Rocker panel pass trail run pics
I haven't been on that trail since 1993(?). It would make a fun night run this summer.
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<7i0al7$pck-@egroups.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=1011
> I know this wasn't a AZVJC run, but I thought some of you might like to see the pictures. They are from a trail that runs east of Highway 87.
>
> The trailhead is West off of highway 87 (toward Payson) at the Mesquite Pass creek crossing (roughly 10 miles South of Sunflower). I *think* the trail is called Rocker Panel Pass, but I've never confirmed it.
>
> All I have is pictures - http://www.desertwave.com/~jeffm/Temp/rpp0519/
>
> For more information, refer to my original trail report at http://www.desertwave.com/rocker_panel_pass.html
>
> Enjoy!,
> Jeff
>
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1016 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 11:57pm
Subject: Memorial D
For Memorial day I would like to go somewhere North - Northeast. There are others that definatly know more trails and camping spots than me so if someone could through out some suggestions.... I will look through my Arizona highways and see what I come up with. I wouldn't mind doing Saturday Night and Sunday night camping. It would be an added bonus to camp near a river or running creek, Maybe we could mix in some inertubbing or something.
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1017 From: <rnealh@y...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 8:20am
Subject: Re: National Trails Day Trip
Is this an overnighter???
Rick
<pid6246.1999.May.12.7:18.579945.@egroups.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=987
> Hi All,
>
> I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
>
> Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
>
> The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
>
> No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd
>
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1018 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 3:39pm
Subject: Re: Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
John,
I am thinking of making this one too.
But I was informed by a friend today that you have to make reservations
even for camping.. Do you have any information on this? If I go I probably will camp
out due to the cost of the hotels up there being in the $60.00 dollar range per night.
I am not sure if you have to pay to camp either. So if anyone else has any info on the area please let us know...
Thanks
Dave (azxj)
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To: az_vjc@makelist.com <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Thursday, May 13, 1999 9:06 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
Tricia and I are going to the Jeep Jamboree in Canyon de Chelly June 4,5,6. Is anyone else from this area going? Want to caravan? We are thinking of leaving very early on Thursday 6/3 (with the Sun). On the return we will probably take 2 days to take in some of Northeast AZ that we don't get to on the Jamboree. Even if you aren't up to that early but are going let me know and we can hook up when we get there. We are staying at the Best Western, Canyon de Chelly.
Jon
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1019 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:30pm
Subject: Re: National Trails Day Trip
No. We should be back at Butcher Jones by no later than midnight. It depends on the size of the group and if we have any problems.
Linda
> Is this an overnighter???
>
> Rick
>
> <pid6246.1999.May.12.7:18.579945.@egroups.com> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=987
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
> >
> > Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
> >
> > The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
> >
> > No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
> >
> > Linda
> > 93 ZJ Ltd
> >
> >
>
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1020 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:42pm
Subject: Memorial D trip suggestions
Gee ... I have been trying to think of a place that won't be crowded. A few come to mind, but none have a water feature:
* Cow Flat Mountain. I rated it 2.5-3.0, but that was 4 years ago. I got my Dodge truck hopelessly stuck on the steep rocky switchback.
* Dupont Cabin or there-abouts
Actually, the first two can go together. They aren't that far apart!
* China Camp. I did this last year on Memorial Day. It was pretty nice. This is in the Dragoons.
* Mount Graham. Never been there, but hear it's nice. East toward Safford.
Anyone have other ideas?
Linda
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1021 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 4:02pm
Subject: Re: Memorial D trip suggestions
Where is Cow Flat Mtn? Anyone know of anything up in the high country around
Williams? I'm definitely in for something and a joint Sat & Sun outing would
work well for me. And of course, cooler higher country is always a plus!
Melinda
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1022 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Fri May 21, 1999 5:06pm
Subject: Jeeping fun on eBay
I got turned on to eBay recently, and this is a lot of fun if you are into
Jeeps. eBay is an Internet auction house. I got on and searched for "Jeep"
and found all kinds of stuff, from real Jeeps to models, toys and whatnots.
For example, I found GI Joe Jeeps (with attached bazooka!), Hot Wheels Jeeps,
Jeep parking signs, parts, etc.
Just FYI...
-- Dan
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1023 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 11:33pm
Subject: M. Day
Another thought. Cherry Creek to P.B. Cabin, Set up base camp then go explore.
Nick
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1024 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 8:34am
Subject: Re: Memorial D trip suggestions
The area around Williams is wonderful! Steve and I have a lot of camping and hunting in that area. Most definitely a cool spot. There's a lava cave up there that is really neat! What a great suggestion!
The trail leading to Cow Flat Mountain starts at the north end of the Cherry Creek Road and comes out southeast of Young.
Linda
<23d88a36.2477784-@a...> wrote:
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> Where is Cow Flat Mtn? Anyone know of anything up in the high country around
> Williams? I'm definitely in for something and a joint Sat & Sun outing would
> work well for me. And of course, cooler higher country is always a plus!
>
> Melinda
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1025 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat May 22, 1999 10:35am
Subject: CJ6 FS
1964 CJ6 (rare). Bone stock , 65k original miles. Originally from White
Sands Missile Base. Went from White Sands to El Paso, and has been in Az for
the last number of years. No rust. Frame straight. Everything original,
except for a replacement top (Best Top). Hurricane F4, overhead intake
valves, 3 speed, 2 stick T-case.
Haven't set the price yet, but would be interested in offers.
Those seriously interested and wanting additional info, e-mail me at
daballard@p...
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