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980 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 9:20pm
Subject: Re: WORKIN ON IT
The 73 Jeep manual calls for 80W in the Model 20 transfer case. When you
say 'strange assortment' what exactly was it? (Color, texture, grit,
smell, lumps n' chunks, etc) I had some contamination in my transfer
after I bought it, and had a stinky white/greenish goo in the t-case when
I changed the fluids. That one got flushed repeatedly, and appears goo
these days.
You could call this a new hobby for now, but in a few short years,
outsiders will look at you and try to tell you it's an addiction. Which
of course you will vehemently deny... like the rest of us.
Take care, and keep the rubber down.
Jim Yucca-man@...
Charter Member - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://members.tripod.com/~Yucca_man/azjeep
99 Dodge Ram QCab 73 CJ5 (RIP) 89 Cherokee
On Tue, 11 May 1999 00:27:35 -0000 stdroc@g... writes:
>I have A Q for someone?
>I have a 1977 CJ7 with a 400 CU IN Chevy and a
>turbo 400 tranny,and was changing out all my
>fluids and ran across a strange assortment of
>goop in my tranfer case, I think it is a
>Model 20 any Ideas on what should be in there?
>
>I was trying to get it ready for the Run on 16 May,
>and have on been into Jeep's for a short time, but
>have been in love with Jeep's most of my life. I
>guess you could call this my new hobby, Any help,
>and/or where I can find out for sure would be a
>great help.
>
>TIA
>Big Fred 77CJ7
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981 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue May 11, 1999 6:58pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
Bob Larson of the AZ Dust Devils has one. He says it's awesome and can really pump out the warm water. I don't have his email address at home, but if you send an email to me at work P14175@e... I'll pass it on.
Linda
<000a01be9b77$5ecc1880$f524c5a-@phoenix> wrote:
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>
> Jeff,
>
> One of the local 4X4 people here in Tucson has a nice shower rig hooked up
> in his XJ. You could call him at his shop to talk about it. His name is
> Scott Sides...you would have to look up the #, I do not have it at the
> moment, but I know its listed. His shop name is PROFAB on Grant road in
> Tucson.
>
> Goodluck!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> >Anyone built an onboard camping shower for their rig? I've been looking
> for a heat exchanger (to heat the shower water) that I can run inline with
> the heater core on my XJ ... no luck though.
> >
> >I've heard of using fuel pre-heaters from semi trucks or power steering
> coolers from marine engines, but I can't seem to find anything here in the
> area that'll fit inside my engine compartment of my '98 4.0L XJ.
> >
> >Arrow Dismantlers was mentioned in a Jp magazine a while back, but I called
> them and they said now they can't keep 'em in stock ... go figure :)
> >
> >Any experiences or help would be much appreciated.
> >TIA,
> >Jeff - Chandler
>
>
>
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982 From: David Houk <r17706@e...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:45am
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: onboard shower?]]
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From: RLarson730@a...
Date: Tue, 11 May 99 19:19:29 MST
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [az_vjc] onboard shower?]
To: "David Houk (r17706)" r17706@e...
Try R&M Speciality Products at (707) 838-3869. I've got one in a TJ, works
good.
983 From: <jokoolchav@a...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 10:24am
Subject: No Subject
Where is Ajax? About how long will this run take? About what time would we return? Dont mean to sound ignorant but I am.
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984 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 1:01pm
Subject: Re: No Subject
Ajax is in the Mineral Mountain area SE of Florence Juction (US 60 east of ApJunc)...NE of Florence. We assemble at the Texaco at F.J. at 8. Should be back to FJ by mid afternoon...depending on how far we decide to go. This is a class 3+ to a class 4 trail.
Doug
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From: jokoolchav@aol.com <jokoolchav@aol.com>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] No Subject
Where is Ajax? About how long will this run take? About what time would we return? Dont mean to sound ignorant but I am.
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985 From: <p28701@e...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 1:40pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
In 4 Wheel Drive and Sport Utility mag there is an ad for onboard
showers.
Contact:
R&M Specialty Products
P.O. Box 1683
Windsor, CA 95492
(707)838-3869
They show that the complete kit is $259 + S&H.
I have seen one of these on a FJ-80 Landcruiser, It has a
heat exchanger in line with the heater hose, a water pump,
and an adjustable thermostat to get the correct water temp
(and maintain it).
Hope this helps
Ken
<pid13960.1999.May.10.10:16.700484.@egroups.com> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=977
> Anyone built an onboard camping shower for their rig? I've been looking for a heat exchanger (to heat the shower water) that I can run inline with the heater core on my XJ ... no luck though.
>
> Jeff - Chandler
>
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986 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:03pm
Subject: Coves Pics
Thanks to all that sent JPGs and to Dan for his instructions on saving the Photpoint files a JPGs. I just needed a few to send to Ziggy (ASA4WDC newsletter editor). I'll also submit it to the UFWDA for publication. Of course, I'll make sure all names are mentioned and that Doug was instrumental in getting the cleanup going.
Thanks again!
Linda
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987 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:18pm
Subject: National Trails Day Trip
Hi All,
I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
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988 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:02am
Subject: Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
Tricia and I are going to the Jeep Jamboree in Canyon de Chelly June 4,5,6. Is anyone else from this area going? Want to caravan? We are thinking of leaving very early on Thursday 6/3 (with the Sun). On the return we will probably take 2 days to take in some of Northeast AZ that we don't get to on the Jamboree. Even if you aren't up to that early but are going let me know and we can hook up when we get there. We are staying at the Best Western, Canyon de Chelly.
Jon
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989 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:55pm
Subject: Re: Ajax
My XJ's been iching for some fun. I'm in for Sunday if there's still room in the group for another set of axles.
Jeff
<pid16172.1999.May.7.11:35.989577.@egroups.com> wrote:
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> Is there still plans to do ajax on the 16th.A few other jeeps want to go with
> if thats ok.I put on my new steering brace and cb and tightened all my loose
> bolts today so I am ready.
>
> Ken U
> 84 CJ7/Wrangler
>
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990 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:45am
Subject: Re: Ajax
Bring it on, the more the merrier.
Greg
jeffm@d... wrote:
>
> My XJ's been iching for some fun. I'm in for Sunday if there's still room in the group for another set of axles.
>
> Jeff
>
> <pid16172.1999.May.7.11:35.989577.@egroups.com> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=944
> > Is there still plans to do ajax on the 16th.A few other jeeps want to go with
> > if thats ok.I put on my new steering brace and cb and tightened all my loose
> > bolts today so I am ready.
> >
> > Ken U
> > 84 CJ7/Wrangler
> >
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991 From: <gdclark@u...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 6:00am
Subject: Ajax Roll Call
meeting place: Florence Junction (US60) Texico Station
Time: 0800
attendening: Greg, Barry, Doug, Jim, JeffH, Ken, Scott, JeffM, and George
if anyone has been left out or is not going to make it please let me know so we can get a good head count.
Greg
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993 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:50pm
Subject: Letter to Kyl
Hi All,
Steve sent me this this afternoon. If you are like me, I can't stand it
if our government takes away any of my freedom.
Linda
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994 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:56pm
Subject: [Fwd: Attention, Arizona]
FYI
Linda
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:28:40 -0600
From: "adena Cook, Blue Ribbon Coalition" bradena@s...
To: Land Use Network landuse@m...
Subject: Attention, Arizona
Sender: owner-landuse@m...
Pam Gluck, Executive Director of American Trails, sends the following
message (and an invitation from Hillary Rodham
Clinton!)
The White House Millennium Council
and
The National Park Service
Cordially invite you and your guests to join
First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton
at a Millennium Trails Event
Ground Breaking for
the Grand Canyon Greenway
Wednesday, May 19, 1999
South Rim, Grand Canyon National Park
1:00 - 2:00 pm Admittance to event site
2:00 pm Event activities commence
Information hotline 520/638-7600. For more information regarding
location
of the event site, call the information hotline on Monday, May 17, 1999.
THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
INVITATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ATTEND.
Millennium Trails: Millennium Trails is a national initiative of the
White House
Millennium Council and the Department of Transportation, in partnership
with the Rails-
to-Trails Conservancy, to recognize, promote, and stimulate the creation
of trails which
preserve open spaces, interpret history and culture, and enhance
recreation and tourism.
Grand Canyon Greenway: The Grand Canyon Greenway, a project of the
Grand
Canyon National Park Foundation and National Park Service, is a
multi-use trail system
on the north and south rims of Grand Canyon National Park that will
promote walking,
bicycling, horseback riding and other active means of exploring the
park. Trail
construction begins this spring with support from the White House
Millennium Council,
Volunteers of the Greenway Collaborative, US Department of
Transportation, Arizona
Department of Transportation, American Airlines, National Park
Foundation.
http://www/millenniumtrails.org/
http:www.nps.gov/grca/greenway/
____________________________________
I was also told that the staff at the park entrance will be able to
provide directions to the event site.
I hope to see you there!
Pam Gluck, Executive Director
American Trails
P.O. Box 11046
Prescott, AZ 86304
(520) 632-1140
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995 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Letter to Kyl
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 5:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Letter to Kyl
>Hi All,
>
>Steve sent me this this afternoon. If you are like me, I can't stand it
>if our government takes away any of my freedom.
>
>Linda
>
>I hate to admit it, but with his support of further gun control measures
and the blatantly unconstitutional bombing in Yugoslavia, Senator McCain is
a lost cause.
Lon
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996 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 10:38pm
Subject: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I was wondering,
does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is basicly stock with 31x10.5
tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can this be done on a YJ?)
I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
thanks again
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997 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Sat May 15, 1999 10:05am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Hello Dave
Another option is extened shackles, this works very well and does not
affect your ride - you can get up to 11/2 longer - don't think i'd
do the add a leaf because it makes your rig ride rougher - most people
i,ve talk to haven't been happy with their add a leafs
yes you can remove your rear swaybar - i have quick disconnects on mine,
both front and rear - i went to a hardware store and purchased a pin
the same size as the bolt - right before heading off road the pin is
removed and the track bar is secured up and out of the way
As for the spring over, your friend needs to decide what size tire he
wants to run and then set his jeep up for it - it might look real funny
running 31" with up to 6 inches of lift - i would recommend at least 33"
or 35" for a spring over - a SOA also causes drive line and steering
problems that have to be addressed - bottom line is it's lots a work
i have 11/2" shackle lift, 21/2" spring lift, 2" boddy lift, and just
installed 33" BFG's - there is 26" between the bottom edge of the tub
and the ground - the tires rub a little when my springs flex, still need
another inch, will get that from a shackle inversion in the front and a
buggy leaf in the rear
btw you can also get 4" lifted springs to fit bigger tires (33") but you
will loose some flex and it will be rougher down going down the road
Greg89yj
> oboyle@m... wrote:
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj,
> wich is basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear
> swaybar. (can this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
> mentioned to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to
> 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road.
> (does this happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of
> quick disconnects for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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998 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 6:24pm
Subject: Found a new trail
Hi.. My name is Troy...New member in Glendale. I am running the wife's 88 XJ, and my 1969 Wagoneer (down from trails for repairs)
I am a member of the Full Size Jeep club too... So this morning Len Sullivan and I went out scouting trails. We headed west out of the city, and took a nice trail. We hit a few dead ends here and there till we found THE TRAIL!!!!!!! We found it first from the north side... then searched it out to the south. found a nice sand hill climb area and the easy way to get in and out of the area.
What Len and I are talking about is going back on the 19th of June to find out more about this trail. We could not run the thing cuz we think we will need a winch in a spot or two. Class 4 in spots, but with a chicken road that end runs the trail.
The whole trail starts off a dirt road (class 1) all the way to a sand hill area (class 1.5 with lots of smiles) (nothing a stock jeep could not do in 2WD, but tires with bite would help out alot) From the sand pits we head up a wide soft wash (1.5 at most) to a pinch point (full size jeep and Ch@vy p/u truck wide.) With a little guiding we got over a rock that wants to eat the diffs out of the Jeeps (1.5 to 2 at the most) till you get to chicken road it is a nice 2.0 to climb it to end run the trail. (1.0 on the trail.. more like a 1.5 but easy for the most part... it will rock the trucks from front to back and side to side a bit)
Once past chicken trail bypass turnoff it starts getting interesting.. a solid 3.5 to 4.0.... rocks and pinch points and steps and all. Len and I walked the trail on it's .5 to .75 of a mile run, to the point where chicken road crosses the trail. It can be run, AS the CJ type thornbird tracks all the way up the wash show, but it will take spoters and 4 low in crawl to do it. What is past the north end where we scouted is not known at this time, but looked good from where we stopped.
Hey George Andrews, Len said this trail was for you... big tires and a nice lift are the key to this trail. one pinch point will give the larger then CJ size jeeps a workout. that pinch point will give CJ's a work out.. a v notch in the walls of the wash.. looks like good footing as most of the fun stuff is solid rock so those of us who feel froggy can give this stuff a try.
So the plan is this... The meeting place will be at Exit 114 (Miller road) off of I-10 there is a Love's gas station net to a Burger king.... how handy. the trail head starts about 1 mile from this gas station. I guess we should start early to not hit the thing at the hottest part of the day (like Len and I did) say 7 or 8 AM go play on the sand piles a bit then go crawl on the trail.
For those of you with GPS units I marked a few good key points on the trail, the south end of the trail (at the sand pits) is 33 degrees 28.15N / 112Degrees 33.15W the farthest point we got to was 33.29.69N/ 112.34.87W 1325 feet ERROR reading of about 125 feet.
For more info give me a holler
Troy Franks
tsfranks@inficad.com
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999 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Found a new trail
Hi Troy,
The trail sounds great. I'm always interested in finding new and challenging trails. June 19th is probably fine for me. I'd vote for an early start, to avoid as much heat as possible.
DougB
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From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@inficad.com>
To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Found a new trail
Hi.. My name is Troy...New member in Glendale. I am running the wife's 88 XJ, and my 1969 Wagoneer (down from trails for repairs)................................
Troy Franks
tsfranks@inficad.com
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1000 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 7:58pm
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Dave -
I've got a color scanner if you've got some pics you want scanned in. Let me know -
Jeff Meade - Chandler
jeffm@d...
'98 XJ
'68 CJ5
<003701be9e95$364415e0$0200000-@default> wrote:
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>
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
>
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980 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 9:20pm
Subject: Re: WORKIN ON IT
The 73 Jeep manual calls for 80W in the Model 20 transfer case. When you
say 'strange assortment' what exactly was it? (Color, texture, grit,
smell, lumps n' chunks, etc) I had some contamination in my transfer
after I bought it, and had a stinky white/greenish goo in the t-case when
I changed the fluids. That one got flushed repeatedly, and appears goo
these days.
You could call this a new hobby for now, but in a few short years,
outsiders will look at you and try to tell you it's an addiction. Which
of course you will vehemently deny... like the rest of us.
Take care, and keep the rubber down.
Jim Yucca-man@...
Charter Member - Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://members.tripod.com/~Yucca_man/azjeep
99 Dodge Ram QCab 73 CJ5 (RIP) 89 Cherokee
On Tue, 11 May 1999 00:27:35 -0000 stdroc@g... writes:
>I have A Q for someone?
>I have a 1977 CJ7 with a 400 CU IN Chevy and a
>turbo 400 tranny,and was changing out all my
>fluids and ran across a strange assortment of
>goop in my tranfer case, I think it is a
>Model 20 any Ideas on what should be in there?
>
>I was trying to get it ready for the Run on 16 May,
>and have on been into Jeep's for a short time, but
>have been in love with Jeep's most of my life. I
>guess you could call this my new hobby, Any help,
>and/or where I can find out for sure would be a
>great help.
>
>TIA
>Big Fred 77CJ7
>
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981 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue May 11, 1999 6:58pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
Bob Larson of the AZ Dust Devils has one. He says it's awesome and can really pump out the warm water. I don't have his email address at home, but if you send an email to me at work P14175@e... I'll pass it on.
Linda
<000a01be9b77$5ecc1880$f524c5a-@phoenix> wrote:
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> Jeff,
>
> One of the local 4X4 people here in Tucson has a nice shower rig hooked up
> in his XJ. You could call him at his shop to talk about it. His name is
> Scott Sides...you would have to look up the #, I do not have it at the
> moment, but I know its listed. His shop name is PROFAB on Grant road in
> Tucson.
>
> Goodluck!
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> >Anyone built an onboard camping shower for their rig? I've been looking
> for a heat exchanger (to heat the shower water) that I can run inline with
> the heater core on my XJ ... no luck though.
> >
> >I've heard of using fuel pre-heaters from semi trucks or power steering
> coolers from marine engines, but I can't seem to find anything here in the
> area that'll fit inside my engine compartment of my '98 4.0L XJ.
> >
> >Arrow Dismantlers was mentioned in a Jp magazine a while back, but I called
> them and they said now they can't keep 'em in stock ... go figure :)
> >
> >Any experiences or help would be much appreciated.
> >TIA,
> >Jeff - Chandler
>
>
>
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982 From: David Houk <r17706@e...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:45am
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: onboard shower?]]
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From: RLarson730@a...
Date: Tue, 11 May 99 19:19:29 MST
Subject: Re: [Fwd: [az_vjc] onboard shower?]
To: "David Houk (r17706)" r17706@e...
Try R&M Speciality Products at (707) 838-3869. I've got one in a TJ, works
good.
983 From: <jokoolchav@a...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 10:24am
Subject: No Subject
Where is Ajax? About how long will this run take? About what time would we return? Dont mean to sound ignorant but I am.
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984 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 1:01pm
Subject: Re: No Subject
Ajax is in the Mineral Mountain area SE of Florence Juction (US 60 east of ApJunc)...NE of Florence. We assemble at the Texaco at F.J. at 8. Should be back to FJ by mid afternoon...depending on how far we decide to go. This is a class 3+ to a class 4 trail.
Doug
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Where is Ajax? About how long will this run take? About what time would we return? Dont mean to sound ignorant but I am.
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985 From: <p28701@e...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 1:40pm
Subject: Re: onboard shower?
In 4 Wheel Drive and Sport Utility mag there is an ad for onboard
showers.
Contact:
R&M Specialty Products
P.O. Box 1683
Windsor, CA 95492
(707)838-3869
They show that the complete kit is $259 + S&H.
I have seen one of these on a FJ-80 Landcruiser, It has a
heat exchanger in line with the heater hose, a water pump,
and an adjustable thermostat to get the correct water temp
(and maintain it).
Hope this helps
Ken
<pid13960.1999.May.10.10:16.700484.@egroups.com> wrote:
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> Anyone built an onboard camping shower for their rig? I've been looking for a heat exchanger (to heat the shower water) that I can run inline with the heater core on my XJ ... no luck though.
>
> Jeff - Chandler
>
>
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986 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:03pm
Subject: Coves Pics
Thanks to all that sent JPGs and to Dan for his instructions on saving the Photpoint files a JPGs. I just needed a few to send to Ziggy (ASA4WDC newsletter editor). I'll also submit it to the UFWDA for publication. Of course, I'll make sure all names are mentioned and that Doug was instrumental in getting the cleanup going.
Thanks again!
Linda
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987 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Wed May 12, 1999 7:18pm
Subject: National Trails Day Trip
Hi All,
I am leading a night run to the fourth cove at Saquaro Lake on Saturday June 5th. A few AZVJC members expressed interest in coming along. The trail ride is in celebration of National Trails Day. National Trails Day is sponsored by the Ameican Hiking Society as a way to get the public interested in trails --- er hiking trails. But who in the heck cares! Our trails are trails too!
Meet at Butcher Jones Beach Recreation Area at 6:30pm on Saturday, June 5. We'll take off at 7:00pm. WE should be back at Butcher Jones by midnight, barring no problems on the trail. CB channel 4. 10 t-shirts will be given away to the first ones to arrive. I'll also be raffling off a compass which came with the Natl Trails day promo kit. All proceeds from the raffle will go to the ASA4WDC Land Use Fund. Donations will also be accepted.
The trail to the fourth cove is a 3.0 (approx) with steep loose hills which look really really steep and gnarly at night.
No alcoholic beverages on the trail please!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
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988 From: Jon Loveless <jloveless@e...>
Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:02am
Subject: Canyon de Chelly Jeep Jamboree
Tricia and I are going to the Jeep Jamboree in Canyon de Chelly June 4,5,6. Is anyone else from this area going? Want to caravan? We are thinking of leaving very early on Thursday 6/3 (with the Sun). On the return we will probably take 2 days to take in some of Northeast AZ that we don't get to on the Jamboree. Even if you aren't up to that early but are going let me know and we can hook up when we get there. We are staying at the Best Western, Canyon de Chelly.
Jon
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989 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Thu May 13, 1999 9:55pm
Subject: Re: Ajax
My XJ's been iching for some fun. I'm in for Sunday if there's still room in the group for another set of axles.
Jeff
<pid16172.1999.May.7.11:35.989577.@egroups.com> wrote:
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> Is there still plans to do ajax on the 16th.A few other jeeps want to go with
> if thats ok.I put on my new steering brace and cb and tightened all my loose
> bolts today so I am ready.
>
> Ken U
> 84 CJ7/Wrangler
>
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990 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:45am
Subject: Re: Ajax
Bring it on, the more the merrier.
Greg
jeffm@d... wrote:
>
> My XJ's been iching for some fun. I'm in for Sunday if there's still room in the group for another set of axles.
>
> Jeff
>
> <pid16172.1999.May.7.11:35.989577.@egroups.com> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=944
> > Is there still plans to do ajax on the 16th.A few other jeeps want to go with
> > if thats ok.I put on my new steering brace and cb and tightened all my loose
> > bolts today so I am ready.
> >
> > Ken U
> > 84 CJ7/Wrangler
> >
> >
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991 From: <gdclark@u...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 6:00am
Subject: Ajax Roll Call
meeting place: Florence Junction (US60) Texico Station
Time: 0800
attendening: Greg, Barry, Doug, Jim, JeffH, Ken, Scott, JeffM, and George
if anyone has been left out or is not going to make it please let me know so we can get a good head count.
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993 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:50pm
Subject: Letter to Kyl
Hi All,
Steve sent me this this afternoon. If you are like me, I can't stand it
if our government takes away any of my freedom.
Linda
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994 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 5:56pm
Subject: [Fwd: Attention, Arizona]
FYI
Linda
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Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 13:28:40 -0600
From: "adena Cook, Blue Ribbon Coalition" bradena@s...
To: Land Use Network landuse@m...
Subject: Attention, Arizona
Sender: owner-landuse@m...
Pam Gluck, Executive Director of American Trails, sends the following
message (and an invitation from Hillary Rodham
Clinton!)
The White House Millennium Council
and
The National Park Service
Cordially invite you and your guests to join
First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton
at a Millennium Trails Event
Ground Breaking for
the Grand Canyon Greenway
Wednesday, May 19, 1999
South Rim, Grand Canyon National Park
1:00 - 2:00 pm Admittance to event site
2:00 pm Event activities commence
Information hotline 520/638-7600. For more information regarding
location
of the event site, call the information hotline on Monday, May 17, 1999.
THIS EVENT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC.
INVITATIONS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ATTEND.
Millennium Trails: Millennium Trails is a national initiative of the
White House
Millennium Council and the Department of Transportation, in partnership
with the Rails-
to-Trails Conservancy, to recognize, promote, and stimulate the creation
of trails which
preserve open spaces, interpret history and culture, and enhance
recreation and tourism.
Grand Canyon Greenway: The Grand Canyon Greenway, a project of the
Grand
Canyon National Park Foundation and National Park Service, is a
multi-use trail system
on the north and south rims of Grand Canyon National Park that will
promote walking,
bicycling, horseback riding and other active means of exploring the
park. Trail
construction begins this spring with support from the White House
Millennium Council,
Volunteers of the Greenway Collaborative, US Department of
Transportation, Arizona
Department of Transportation, American Airlines, National Park
Foundation.
http://www/millenniumtrails.org/
http:www.nps.gov/grca/greenway/
____________________________________
I was also told that the staff at the park entrance will be able to
provide directions to the event site.
I hope to see you there!
Pam Gluck, Executive Director
American Trails
P.O. Box 11046
Prescott, AZ 86304
(520) 632-1140
fax (520) 632-1147
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995 From: Lon <robinson@l...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Letter to Kyl
-----Original Message-----
From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Friday, May 14, 1999 5:46 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Letter to Kyl
>Hi All,
>
>Steve sent me this this afternoon. If you are like me, I can't stand it
>if our government takes away any of my freedom.
>
>Linda
>
>I hate to admit it, but with his support of further gun control measures
and the blatantly unconstitutional bombing in Yugoslavia, Senator McCain is
a lost cause.
Lon
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996 From: <oboyle@m...>
Date: Fri May 14, 1999 10:38pm
Subject: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
I was wondering,
does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj, wich is basicly stock with 31x10.5
tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear swaybar. (can this be done on a YJ?)
I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had mentioned to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to 2in of lift.
he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road. (does this happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of quick disconnects for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
thanks again
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997 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Sat May 15, 1999 10:05am
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Hello Dave
Another option is extened shackles, this works very well and does not
affect your ride - you can get up to 11/2 longer - don't think i'd
do the add a leaf because it makes your rig ride rougher - most people
i,ve talk to haven't been happy with their add a leafs
yes you can remove your rear swaybar - i have quick disconnects on mine,
both front and rear - i went to a hardware store and purchased a pin
the same size as the bolt - right before heading off road the pin is
removed and the track bar is secured up and out of the way
As for the spring over, your friend needs to decide what size tire he
wants to run and then set his jeep up for it - it might look real funny
running 31" with up to 6 inches of lift - i would recommend at least 33"
or 35" for a spring over - a SOA also causes drive line and steering
problems that have to be addressed - bottom line is it's lots a work
i have 11/2" shackle lift, 21/2" spring lift, 2" boddy lift, and just
installed 33" BFG's - there is 26" between the bottom edge of the tub
and the ground - the tires rub a little when my springs flex, still need
another inch, will get that from a shackle inversion in the front and a
buggy leaf in the rear
btw you can also get 4" lifted springs to fit bigger tires (33") but you
will loose some flex and it will be rougher down going down the road
Greg89yj
> oboyle@m... wrote:
>
> I was wondering,
> does anyone have any other suggestions for a friend who has an 89yj,
> wich is basicly stock with 31x10.5
> tires. he is wanting a small lift and possibly remove the rear
> swaybar. (can this be done on a YJ?)
> I know it can be done on an XJ but am not sure about the YJ. I had
> mentioned to him either a 2in body lift or add-a-leaf's with 11/2 to
> 2in of lift.
> he does not want to go spring over for fear of wandering on road.
> (does this happen on YJ"s with spring over lifts) I also told him of
> quick disconnects for the front. I thank all of you for your time.
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
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998 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@i...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 6:24pm
Subject: Found a new trail
Hi.. My name is Troy...New member in Glendale. I am running the wife's 88 XJ, and my 1969 Wagoneer (down from trails for repairs)
I am a member of the Full Size Jeep club too... So this morning Len Sullivan and I went out scouting trails. We headed west out of the city, and took a nice trail. We hit a few dead ends here and there till we found THE TRAIL!!!!!!! We found it first from the north side... then searched it out to the south. found a nice sand hill climb area and the easy way to get in and out of the area.
What Len and I are talking about is going back on the 19th of June to find out more about this trail. We could not run the thing cuz we think we will need a winch in a spot or two. Class 4 in spots, but with a chicken road that end runs the trail.
The whole trail starts off a dirt road (class 1) all the way to a sand hill area (class 1.5 with lots of smiles) (nothing a stock jeep could not do in 2WD, but tires with bite would help out alot) From the sand pits we head up a wide soft wash (1.5 at most) to a pinch point (full size jeep and Ch@vy p/u truck wide.) With a little guiding we got over a rock that wants to eat the diffs out of the Jeeps (1.5 to 2 at the most) till you get to chicken road it is a nice 2.0 to climb it to end run the trail. (1.0 on the trail.. more like a 1.5 but easy for the most part... it will rock the trucks from front to back and side to side a bit)
Once past chicken trail bypass turnoff it starts getting interesting.. a solid 3.5 to 4.0.... rocks and pinch points and steps and all. Len and I walked the trail on it's .5 to .75 of a mile run, to the point where chicken road crosses the trail. It can be run, AS the CJ type thornbird tracks all the way up the wash show, but it will take spoters and 4 low in crawl to do it. What is past the north end where we scouted is not known at this time, but looked good from where we stopped.
Hey George Andrews, Len said this trail was for you... big tires and a nice lift are the key to this trail. one pinch point will give the larger then CJ size jeeps a workout. that pinch point will give CJ's a work out.. a v notch in the walls of the wash.. looks like good footing as most of the fun stuff is solid rock so those of us who feel froggy can give this stuff a try.
So the plan is this... The meeting place will be at Exit 114 (Miller road) off of I-10 there is a Love's gas station net to a Burger king.... how handy. the trail head starts about 1 mile from this gas station. I guess we should start early to not hit the thing at the hottest part of the day (like Len and I did) say 7 or 8 AM go play on the sand piles a bit then go crawl on the trail.
For those of you with GPS units I marked a few good key points on the trail, the south end of the trail (at the sand pits) is 33 degrees 28.15N / 112Degrees 33.15W the farthest point we got to was 33.29.69N/ 112.34.87W 1325 feet ERROR reading of about 125 feet.
For more info give me a holler
Troy Franks
tsfranks@inficad.com
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999 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 6:51pm
Subject: Re: Found a new trail
Hi Troy,
The trail sounds great. I'm always interested in finding new and challenging trails. June 19th is probably fine for me. I'd vote for an early start, to avoid as much heat as possible.
DougB
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To: AZ Jeep <az_vjc@makelist.com>
Date: Sunday, May 16, 1999 6:28 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Found a new trail
Hi.. My name is Troy...New member in Glendale. I am running the wife's 88 XJ, and my 1969 Wagoneer (down from trails for repairs)................................
Troy Franks
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1000 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Sun May 16, 1999 7:58pm
Subject: Re: YJ lifting options or quick disconnects
Dave -
I've got a color scanner if you've got some pics you want scanned in. Let me know -
Jeff Meade - Chandler
jeffm@d...
'98 XJ
'68 CJ5
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>
> and I am still trying to find someone with a scanner to post my XJ...
> thanks again
> Dave (azxj)
>
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