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950 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 11:23am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
The bypasses are supposed to be easy enough for stock jeeps.
<002c01be9972$106aaaa0$39f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=949
> Correct. This would be class 3+ to class 4, depending on how far we go. I'm not sure if there are bypasses, since I hadn't done Ajax before...but it looks very similar to Woodpecker, so I wouldn't advise it for a stock vehicle.
>
> Doug
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> From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
> To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 6:42 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Ajax
>
>
> If I remember right, this is a "not recommended for stock Jeeps" run.
> Right?
>
> Dan McFarlane
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951 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
As a matter of fact, there's a dirt road right next to the wash/creekbed
you'll be driving up. All you have to do is preview the trail between the
connections to the main road, and you can decide whether you want to take
your Jeep on that particular leg of the wash. Up towards the top It gets
pretty nasty, you guys are gonna have a ball!!
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Sent: Saturday, May 08, 1999 11:23 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
> The bypasses are supposed to be easy enough for stock jeeps.
>
>
> <002c01be9972$106aaaa0$39f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=949
> > Correct. This would be class 3+ to class 4, depending on how far we go.
I'm not sure if there are bypasses, since I hadn't done Ajax before...but it
looks very similar to Woodpecker, so I wouldn't advise it for a stock
vehicle.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
> > To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
> > Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 6:42 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Ajax
> >
> >
> > If I remember right, this is a "not recommended for stock Jeeps" run.
> > Right?
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952 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
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953 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@psn.net>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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954 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 9:32pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
also, if that works better for the rest of you.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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955 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 7:10pm
Subject: Crown King trip report 5/8
Today's Crown King trip had myself in the lead (TJ), followed by Nick (YJ),
Mike (MDSummers, TJ), Melinda (TJ), and Bond, Karl Bond (ZJ) and Dan
McFarlane (TJ) as tailgunner.
We had quite a bit of traffic this time, with several groups of 4 wheelers in
front and behind, plus an assortment of ATVs and dirt bikes. We knew we were
in trouble when the traffic on Channel 4 was too much, so we switched to 8.
The trail was as I remembered it from last August for the most part. Except
for the ZJ, we all took the more challenging routes rather than the bypasses
and enjoyed every one. A few nerf bars were scraped, but nothing a little
Rust-Oleum can't fix.
I was impressed by the lack of garbage on the trail, although in retrospect I
think I've been a bit desensitized since the Coves Cleanup run. Beer cans
prevailed, Bud usually.
We occasionally passed up the other groups, and vice versa. I finally decided
these people all belonged to the BATF, for they were all drinking, smoking,
and carrying sidearms.
Our first bit of trouble occurred about half way through when a track bar
bolt on Nick's YJ sheared off. We cleverly thought a couple of plastic Zip
ties would serve as a replacement for the bolt, but that probably didn't last
a few hundred yards. At lunch we finally got the other bolt off and removed
the track bar completely. Lesson Learned - bring a torque wrench. We got it
off by rigging up a rock, scissor jack, socket wrench, and two people on the
bumper. (Don't try this with a TJ!)
Later, we had to stop while a Dodge pickup was towed off a ledge. If you've
been on this trail, you might remember a fairly substantial ledge to get over
about 3/4 of the way into the run, just before reaching the Oro Belle Mine.
Stock vehicles can't do it. Well, they pulled the Dodge over with a snatch
strap. Then the next group (we were third in line) began piling up rocks to
make a ramp. I suggested that perhaps they didn't need to do this, but they
did for they had an Izuzu to get across.
Then came our turn, so being the responsible types, we removed all the newly
placed rocks to return the ledge to it's former state, and crawled up without
problem, except for Karl's stock ZJ. He got hung up on his nerf bars.
To make a long story short, we got a lot of "help" from the gun toting beer
drinking group behind us. And we had to pile up some rocks to do it. We would
have removed the rocks, but the group behind us had fairly stock long
wheelbase pickups and would have piled the rocks back on anyway.
Further on down the road Karl got a flat, a nice surgically clean 3 inch gash
in a sidewall. No problem getting that taken care of. The last fourth of this
trail is rough on tires. But, with all due respect to Chrysler and Goodyear,
those Wrangler tires that come with Jeeps are just not off road tires. I hope
Karl has some off road tires in his future. They make a real difference.
Anyone know how big a tire can be put on a stock ZJ?
After stopping a while in Crown King, those of us not camping followed me
out, foolishly since I made a wrong turn. But, hey, it was scenic.
All in all a good run. A bit crowded at times but still fun.
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956 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 5:53am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
Sunday (May16) works for me. The confusion was probably mine. In going back over the posts, Greg first suggested this one, and for the 16th. How does this work for the others planning on Ajax?
Doug
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@SalesLogix.com>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 9:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
also, if that works better for the rest of you.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:daballard@prodigy.net]
Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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From: Scott Kruize < OSMTJ@psn.net >
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com < az_vjc@eGroups.com
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Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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957 From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 6:52am
Subject: Re: Crown King trip report 5/8
Thanks for leading the way on this one Dan, and for serving as Master
Mechanic on more than one occasion. My boys and I had a good time. It
will probably take me most of the day to clean up the jeep, but it was
worth it. It was nice seeing you and Melinda again. Nick, Karl and
Mike, it was nice meeting you guys. I always enjoy meeting new folks on
these trips. I'm looking forward to our next run together. Sorry I had
to bail out on everyone in Crown King. With all of our unexpected stops,
I was about an hour late getting the boys to mom's, so I didn't have time
to poke around CK. Maybe next time. Thanks again.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
On Sun, 9 May 1999 02:10:01 EDT Revolvr@a... writes:
>
>Today's Crown King trip had myself in the lead (TJ), followed by Nick
>(YJ),
>Mike (MDSummers, TJ), Melinda (TJ), and Bond, Karl Bond (ZJ) and Dan
>McFarlane (TJ) as tailgunner.
>
>We had quite a bit of traffic this time, with several groups of 4
>wheelers in
>front and behind, plus an assortment of ATVs and dirt bikes. We knew
>we were
>in trouble when the traffic on Channel 4 was too much, so we switched
>to 8.
>
>The trail was as I remembered it from last August for the most part.
>Except
>for the ZJ, we all took the more challenging routes rather than the
>bypasses
>and enjoyed every one. A few nerf bars were scraped, but nothing a
>little
>Rust-Oleum can't fix.
>
>I was impressed by the lack of garbage on the trail, although in
>retrospect I
>think I've been a bit desensitized since the Coves Cleanup run. Beer
>cans
>prevailed, Bud usually.
>
>We occasionally passed up the other groups, and vice versa. I finally
>decided
>these people all belonged to the BATF, for they were all drinking,
>smoking,
>and carrying sidearms.
>
>Our first bit of trouble occurred about half way through when a track
>bar
>bolt on Nick's YJ sheared off. We cleverly thought a couple of plastic
>Zip
>ties would serve as a replacement for the bolt, but that probably
>didn't last
>a few hundred yards. At lunch we finally got the other bolt off and
>removed
>the track bar completely. Lesson Learned - bring a torque wrench. We
>got it
>off by rigging up a rock, scissor jack, socket wrench, and two people
>on the
>bumper. (Don't try this with a TJ!)
>
>Later, we had to stop while a Dodge pickup was towed off a ledge. If
>you've
>been on this trail, you might remember a fairly substantial ledge to
>get over
>about 3/4 of the way into the run, just before reaching the Oro Belle
>Mine.
>Stock vehicles can't do it. Well, they pulled the Dodge over with a
>snatch
>strap. Then the next group (we were third in line) began piling up
>rocks to
>make a ramp. I suggested that perhaps they didn't need to do this, but
>they
>did for they had an Izuzu to get across.
>
>Then came our turn, so being the responsible types, we removed all the
>newly
>placed rocks to return the ledge to it's former state, and crawled up
>without
>problem, except for Karl's stock ZJ. He got hung up on his nerf bars.
>
>
>To make a long story short, we got a lot of "help" from the gun toting
>beer
>drinking group behind us. And we had to pile up some rocks to do it.
>We would
>have removed the rocks, but the group behind us had fairly stock long
>
>wheelbase pickups and would have piled the rocks back on anyway.
>
>Further on down the road Karl got a flat, a nice surgically clean 3
>inch gash
>in a sidewall. No problem getting that taken care of. The last fourth
>of this
>trail is rough on tires. But, with all due respect to Chrysler and
>Goodyear,
>those Wrangler tires that come with Jeeps are just not off road tires.
>I hope
>Karl has some off road tires in his future. They make a real
>difference.
>Anyone know how big a tire can be put on a stock ZJ?
>
>After stopping a while in Crown King, those of us not camping followed
>me
>out, foolishly since I made a wrong turn. But, hey, it was scenic.
>
>All in all a good run. A bit crowded at times but still fun.
>
>-- Dan
>
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958 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 8:43am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
Sunday is good for me,I don't think I would be able to go on Saturday.
Ken U
<000e01be9a1a$e48fa940$15f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
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> Sunday (May16) works for me. The confusion was probably mine. In going back over the posts, Greg first suggested this one, and for the 16th. How does this work for the others planning on Ajax?
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 9:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
> I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
> As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
> really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
> also, if that works better for the rest of you.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
> Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
> I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
> listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
> Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
> Sunday is better.
>
> Suggestion:
>
> When: next Sat. at 8am
>
> Where: Florence Junction Texaco
>
> CB: Channel 5
>
> So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
> maybe from DanMcF.
>
> This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
> Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
> got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
>
> See ya there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize < OSMTJ@p... <mailto:OSMTJ@p...> >
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <mailto:az_vjc@eGroups.com> < az_vjc@eGroups.com
> <mailto:az_vjc@eGroups.com> >
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
>
> I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
>
> brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
>
> camping?
>
>
>
>
>
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959 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 9:23am
Subject: Ajax trail
I'm thinkin' I want to do this trip! I will be checking our plans for next weekend. I will be watching for confirmation on date (15th or 16th) and rendezvous location.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
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960 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 10:21am
Subject: ZJ tire sizes (what fits)
Hi Karl,
Heard about all the fun you had. I would have rather been on that trail ride than fixing swamp coolers and cutting grass! Does anyone know of a reasonably priced lawn service? My yard seems to get larger as summer progresses!
Anyway, tire sizes:
235/75r15s will fit on a ZJ with a stock suspension. Anything taller will probably be rubbing.
With a 3" lift, 31" tires are the top limit.
With a 4.5" lift (like I have). 31-32" tires fit, but will rub off the paint on the inside of the wheel wells and there is some sheetmetal that has to be trimmed or bent in the front wheel wells. You don't have to trim the front bumper. No problems in the rear wheel wells.
I recently put 33x9.50r15s on the stock ZJ wheels. There is some necessary trimming in the front wheel wells (actually it's pretty radical) but all of it is inside and you can't tell from just looking at the ZJ. Of course I also cut off the lower 6-inches of the front bumper. I have a custom rear bumper that really opened up the rear wheel wells.
One more note: The 33" dia tires will fit in the standard spare tire carrier inside the ZJ, so there is no need for an external spare tire carrier, unless you need more interior space.
Hope to be out on another AZVJC trail soon!
Linda
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961 From: <gdclark@u...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 10:12pm
Subject: AJAX
Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the time.
Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe Jim
If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do ya'll think?
Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
Greg89yj
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962 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 11:22pm
Subject: Re: AJAX
My brother and I will be camping out Saturday night. Is anyone else planning
on camping out? I am unfamiliar with the Florence area and would appreciate
any recommendations.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
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963 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 0:04am
Subject: Re: AJAX
Greg,
I thought 8:00 sounded pretty early. Don't you work at Luke AFB? I say no
military guys are allowed to set the meeting times on these runs. :)
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: gdclark@u... [mailto:gdclark@u...]
Sent: May 09, 1999 10:12 PM
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] AJAX
Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the
time.
Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe
Jim
If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure
everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do
ya'll think?
Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
Greg89yj
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964 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 6:00am
Subject: Re: AJAX
ok then 8:00 o'clock it is :(
Greg
Jeff Hershauer wrote:
>
> Greg,
> I thought 8:00 sounded pretty early. Don't you work at Luke AFB? I say no
> military guys are allowed to set the meeting times on these runs. :)
>
> Jeff
>
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> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] AJAX
>
> Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the
> time.
> Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe
> Jim
>
> If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure
> everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
>
> I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do
> ya'll think?
>
> Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
>
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950 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 11:23am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
The bypasses are supposed to be easy enough for stock jeeps.
<002c01be9972$106aaaa0$39f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=949
> Correct. This would be class 3+ to class 4, depending on how far we go. I'm not sure if there are bypasses, since I hadn't done Ajax before...but it looks very similar to Woodpecker, so I wouldn't advise it for a stock vehicle.
>
> Doug
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> To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 6:42 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Ajax
>
>
> If I remember right, this is a "not recommended for stock Jeeps" run.
> Right?
>
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951 From: William Mish <yldkat@m...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 6:17pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
As a matter of fact, there's a dirt road right next to the wash/creekbed
you'll be driving up. All you have to do is preview the trail between the
connections to the main road, and you can decide whether you want to take
your Jeep on that particular leg of the wash. Up towards the top It gets
pretty nasty, you guys are gonna have a ball!!
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> The bypasses are supposed to be easy enough for stock jeeps.
>
>
> <002c01be9972$106aaaa0$39f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
> Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=949
> > Correct. This would be class 3+ to class 4, depending on how far we go.
I'm not sure if there are bypasses, since I hadn't done Ajax before...but it
looks very similar to Woodpecker, so I wouldn't advise it for a stock
vehicle.
> >
> > Doug
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
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> > To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
> > Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 6:42 AM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Fw: Ajax
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> > If I remember right, this is a "not recommended for stock Jeeps" run.
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952 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 8:05pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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953 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 8:58pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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954 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 9:32pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
also, if that works better for the rest of you.
Jeff
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From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
Scott Kruize
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955 From: <Revolvr@a...>
Date: Sat May 8, 1999 7:10pm
Subject: Crown King trip report 5/8
Today's Crown King trip had myself in the lead (TJ), followed by Nick (YJ),
Mike (MDSummers, TJ), Melinda (TJ), and Bond, Karl Bond (ZJ) and Dan
McFarlane (TJ) as tailgunner.
We had quite a bit of traffic this time, with several groups of 4 wheelers in
front and behind, plus an assortment of ATVs and dirt bikes. We knew we were
in trouble when the traffic on Channel 4 was too much, so we switched to 8.
The trail was as I remembered it from last August for the most part. Except
for the ZJ, we all took the more challenging routes rather than the bypasses
and enjoyed every one. A few nerf bars were scraped, but nothing a little
Rust-Oleum can't fix.
I was impressed by the lack of garbage on the trail, although in retrospect I
think I've been a bit desensitized since the Coves Cleanup run. Beer cans
prevailed, Bud usually.
We occasionally passed up the other groups, and vice versa. I finally decided
these people all belonged to the BATF, for they were all drinking, smoking,
and carrying sidearms.
Our first bit of trouble occurred about half way through when a track bar
bolt on Nick's YJ sheared off. We cleverly thought a couple of plastic Zip
ties would serve as a replacement for the bolt, but that probably didn't last
a few hundred yards. At lunch we finally got the other bolt off and removed
the track bar completely. Lesson Learned - bring a torque wrench. We got it
off by rigging up a rock, scissor jack, socket wrench, and two people on the
bumper. (Don't try this with a TJ!)
Later, we had to stop while a Dodge pickup was towed off a ledge. If you've
been on this trail, you might remember a fairly substantial ledge to get over
about 3/4 of the way into the run, just before reaching the Oro Belle Mine.
Stock vehicles can't do it. Well, they pulled the Dodge over with a snatch
strap. Then the next group (we were third in line) began piling up rocks to
make a ramp. I suggested that perhaps they didn't need to do this, but they
did for they had an Izuzu to get across.
Then came our turn, so being the responsible types, we removed all the newly
placed rocks to return the ledge to it's former state, and crawled up without
problem, except for Karl's stock ZJ. He got hung up on his nerf bars.
To make a long story short, we got a lot of "help" from the gun toting beer
drinking group behind us. And we had to pile up some rocks to do it. We would
have removed the rocks, but the group behind us had fairly stock long
wheelbase pickups and would have piled the rocks back on anyway.
Further on down the road Karl got a flat, a nice surgically clean 3 inch gash
in a sidewall. No problem getting that taken care of. The last fourth of this
trail is rough on tires. But, with all due respect to Chrysler and Goodyear,
those Wrangler tires that come with Jeeps are just not off road tires. I hope
Karl has some off road tires in his future. They make a real difference.
Anyone know how big a tire can be put on a stock ZJ?
After stopping a while in Crown King, those of us not camping followed me
out, foolishly since I made a wrong turn. But, hey, it was scenic.
All in all a good run. A bit crowded at times but still fun.
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956 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 5:53am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
Sunday (May16) works for me. The confusion was probably mine. In going back over the posts, Greg first suggested this one, and for the 16th. How does this work for the others planning on Ajax?
Doug
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From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@SalesLogix.com>
To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 9:35 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
also, if that works better for the rest of you.
Jeff
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:daballard@prodigy.net]
Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
Sunday is better.
Suggestion:
When: next Sat. at 8am
Where: Florence Junction Texaco
CB: Channel 5
So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
maybe from DanMcF.
This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
See ya there.
Doug
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To: az_vjc@eGroups.com < az_vjc@eGroups.com
>
Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
camping?
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957 From: Robert D McFarlane Jr. <rdmcfarlane@j...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 6:52am
Subject: Re: Crown King trip report 5/8
Thanks for leading the way on this one Dan, and for serving as Master
Mechanic on more than one occasion. My boys and I had a good time. It
will probably take me most of the day to clean up the jeep, but it was
worth it. It was nice seeing you and Melinda again. Nick, Karl and
Mike, it was nice meeting you guys. I always enjoy meeting new folks on
these trips. I'm looking forward to our next run together. Sorry I had
to bail out on everyone in Crown King. With all of our unexpected stops,
I was about an hour late getting the boys to mom's, so I didn't have time
to poke around CK. Maybe next time. Thanks again.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
On Sun, 9 May 1999 02:10:01 EDT Revolvr@a... writes:
>
>Today's Crown King trip had myself in the lead (TJ), followed by Nick
>(YJ),
>Mike (MDSummers, TJ), Melinda (TJ), and Bond, Karl Bond (ZJ) and Dan
>McFarlane (TJ) as tailgunner.
>
>We had quite a bit of traffic this time, with several groups of 4
>wheelers in
>front and behind, plus an assortment of ATVs and dirt bikes. We knew
>we were
>in trouble when the traffic on Channel 4 was too much, so we switched
>to 8.
>
>The trail was as I remembered it from last August for the most part.
>Except
>for the ZJ, we all took the more challenging routes rather than the
>bypasses
>and enjoyed every one. A few nerf bars were scraped, but nothing a
>little
>Rust-Oleum can't fix.
>
>I was impressed by the lack of garbage on the trail, although in
>retrospect I
>think I've been a bit desensitized since the Coves Cleanup run. Beer
>cans
>prevailed, Bud usually.
>
>We occasionally passed up the other groups, and vice versa. I finally
>decided
>these people all belonged to the BATF, for they were all drinking,
>smoking,
>and carrying sidearms.
>
>Our first bit of trouble occurred about half way through when a track
>bar
>bolt on Nick's YJ sheared off. We cleverly thought a couple of plastic
>Zip
>ties would serve as a replacement for the bolt, but that probably
>didn't last
>a few hundred yards. At lunch we finally got the other bolt off and
>removed
>the track bar completely. Lesson Learned - bring a torque wrench. We
>got it
>off by rigging up a rock, scissor jack, socket wrench, and two people
>on the
>bumper. (Don't try this with a TJ!)
>
>Later, we had to stop while a Dodge pickup was towed off a ledge. If
>you've
>been on this trail, you might remember a fairly substantial ledge to
>get over
>about 3/4 of the way into the run, just before reaching the Oro Belle
>Mine.
>Stock vehicles can't do it. Well, they pulled the Dodge over with a
>snatch
>strap. Then the next group (we were third in line) began piling up
>rocks to
>make a ramp. I suggested that perhaps they didn't need to do this, but
>they
>did for they had an Izuzu to get across.
>
>Then came our turn, so being the responsible types, we removed all the
>newly
>placed rocks to return the ledge to it's former state, and crawled up
>without
>problem, except for Karl's stock ZJ. He got hung up on his nerf bars.
>
>
>To make a long story short, we got a lot of "help" from the gun toting
>beer
>drinking group behind us. And we had to pile up some rocks to do it.
>We would
>have removed the rocks, but the group behind us had fairly stock long
>
>wheelbase pickups and would have piled the rocks back on anyway.
>
>Further on down the road Karl got a flat, a nice surgically clean 3
>inch gash
>in a sidewall. No problem getting that taken care of. The last fourth
>of this
>trail is rough on tires. But, with all due respect to Chrysler and
>Goodyear,
>those Wrangler tires that come with Jeeps are just not off road tires.
>I hope
>Karl has some off road tires in his future. They make a real
>difference.
>Anyone know how big a tire can be put on a stock ZJ?
>
>After stopping a while in Crown King, those of us not camping followed
>me
>out, foolishly since I made a wrong turn. But, hey, it was scenic.
>
>All in all a good run. A bit crowded at times but still fun.
>
>-- Dan
>
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958 From: <jeep108@h...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 8:43am
Subject: Re: Fw: Ajax
Sunday is good for me,I don't think I would be able to go on Saturday.
Ken U
<000e01be9a1a$e48fa940$15f4fdd-@pavilion> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=956
> Sunday (May16) works for me. The confusion was probably mine. In going back over the posts, Greg first suggested this one, and for the 16th. How does this work for the others planning on Ajax?
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <az_vjc@eGroups.com>
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 9:35 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
> I was under the impression we were going to do Sunday since that's the 16th.
> As a matter of fact, I backed out of a golf tournament the 16th because I
> really want to do this trail. However, I should be able to make Saturday
> also, if that works better for the rest of you.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
> Sent: May 08, 1999 8:58 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
> I may have this wrong...since I was thinking Saturday, and some posts were
> listing May 16, which is a Sunday...The following suggestion is based on
> Saturday, but Sunday would probably work for me also. Please advise if
> Sunday is better.
>
> Suggestion:
>
> When: next Sat. at 8am
>
> Where: Florence Junction Texaco
>
> CB: Channel 5
>
> So far, GregC, KenU, JeffH, ScottK, DougB, JimK are planning on going. A
> maybe from DanMcF.
>
> This should be a good one, w/ some challenging spots, esp. if we do upper
> Ajax as well. As to camping, I'll probably not do that...too much stuff I've
> got to get done round the house. There are some very nice spots though.
>
> See ya there.
>
> Doug
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Kruize < OSMTJ@p... <mailto:OSMTJ@p...> >
> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com <mailto:az_vjc@eGroups.com> < az_vjc@eGroups.com
> <mailto:az_vjc@eGroups.com> >
> Date: Saturday, May 08, 1999 8:02 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Fw: Ajax
>
>
>
> I am looking forward to the run. What is the agreed upon date/time? My
>
> brother and I are looking at camping out one night. Anyone else going to be
>
> camping?
>
>
>
>
>
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959 From: George Andrews <gandre01@e...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 9:23am
Subject: Ajax trail
I'm thinkin' I want to do this trip! I will be checking our plans for next weekend. I will be watching for confirmation on date (15th or 16th) and rendezvous location.
George Andrews
'82 Cherokee WT, 454TBI, TH400, QT, D44s, 35x12.50s, ARBs, MSD
Avondale Arizona
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960 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 10:21am
Subject: ZJ tire sizes (what fits)
Hi Karl,
Heard about all the fun you had. I would have rather been on that trail ride than fixing swamp coolers and cutting grass! Does anyone know of a reasonably priced lawn service? My yard seems to get larger as summer progresses!
Anyway, tire sizes:
235/75r15s will fit on a ZJ with a stock suspension. Anything taller will probably be rubbing.
With a 3" lift, 31" tires are the top limit.
With a 4.5" lift (like I have). 31-32" tires fit, but will rub off the paint on the inside of the wheel wells and there is some sheetmetal that has to be trimmed or bent in the front wheel wells. You don't have to trim the front bumper. No problems in the rear wheel wells.
I recently put 33x9.50r15s on the stock ZJ wheels. There is some necessary trimming in the front wheel wells (actually it's pretty radical) but all of it is inside and you can't tell from just looking at the ZJ. Of course I also cut off the lower 6-inches of the front bumper. I have a custom rear bumper that really opened up the rear wheel wells.
One more note: The 33" dia tires will fit in the standard spare tire carrier inside the ZJ, so there is no need for an external spare tire carrier, unless you need more interior space.
Hope to be out on another AZVJC trail soon!
Linda
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961 From: <gdclark@u...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 10:12pm
Subject: AJAX
Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the time.
Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe Jim
If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do ya'll think?
Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
Greg89yj
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962 From: Scott Kruize <OSMTJ@p...>
Date: Sun May 9, 1999 11:22pm
Subject: Re: AJAX
My brother and I will be camping out Saturday night. Is anyone else planning
on camping out? I am unfamiliar with the Florence area and would appreciate
any recommendations.
Scott Kruize
Phoenix, AZ
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963 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 0:04am
Subject: Re: AJAX
Greg,
I thought 8:00 sounded pretty early. Don't you work at Luke AFB? I say no
military guys are allowed to set the meeting times on these runs. :)
Jeff
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Subject: [az_vjc] AJAX
Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the
time.
Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe
Jim
If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure
everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do
ya'll think?
Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
Greg89yj
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964 From: Greg Clark <gdclark@u...>
Date: Mon May 10, 1999 6:00am
Subject: Re: AJAX
ok then 8:00 o'clock it is :(
Greg
Jeff Hershauer wrote:
>
> Greg,
> I thought 8:00 sounded pretty early. Don't you work at Luke AFB? I say no
> military guys are allowed to set the meeting times on these runs. :)
>
> Jeff
>
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> From: gdclark@u... [mailto:gdclark@u...]
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> To: az_vjc@eGroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] AJAX
>
> Sunday the 16th is the day, 8:00 at Florence junction is the
> time.
> Attendence so far: Greg, Doug, Jeff, Ken, Scott, & maybe
> Jim
>
> If anyone has been left out let me know, so we can make sure
> everyone is accounted for. Wouldn't want anyone to be left behind:)
>
> I would be up for meeting at 7 to beat the heat, what do
> ya'll think?
>
> Ken, I have an old set of springs off my 89yj.
>
> Greg89yj
>
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