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Antman
07-19-2007, 08:41 AM
LET'S BE SPECIFIC
By Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.


Due to the thunderous applause that I received from the far-left over the "I Am Tired" letter written by one of our troops in Iraq , I thought it prudent to follow up with one last attempt to be very specific about what I have observed and actually personally encountered during my 36 years of service to this Great Country. Unlike Bob McClellan, I will not continue to whine, twist and degrade our country's leaders on a weekly basis. Instead, this will be a one time input attempting to reach some of those who are confused by McClellan and his ilk's unethical rantings and give some insight through my personal experience as a professional military officer over the years. These examples are but a few. In real life there were many more which space and time will not allow.

As a young fighter pilot, flying F-4s in Vietnam , I was stopped in my tracks by the decisions made by Lyndon Johnson and Robert McNamara. I was young and naive, but even then I knew their daily interference was wrong and would not allow us to win this thing and go home. Decisions like not allowing us to strike enemy aircraft while still on the ground, keeping real targets off the target list, and allowing us to strike only rusted-out trucks made us basically a toothpick factory. However, the big one for me came the day I saw the President Lyndon Johnson on television, forcefully lying to the American people. I'll never forget the language, "I want to assure the American people that the United States of America has never, and will never, bomb or use force inside the borders of Cambodia ". On and on he disavowed the reports that this was happening. I was amazed. Guess where I had put several F-4 loads of 750 pound general purpose bombs every day for the past five days. You guessed it, Cambodia !!! So much for Mr. Johnson. The only question in my mind was simply, "Was it just Johnson or was it the methodology of a particular political party?" I decided to delay answering that question until more experience was gained.

Years passed, and I ignored politics as much as possible, as a good military man should. Then came Jimmy Carter. Our young people don't remember 18% interest rates and 18% inflation, but I'll bet someone in your family does. That is one really bad thing Carter did for our country, but it is not the worst. During this period, I was an F-15 Squadron Commander, located at Langley AFB, VA. Jimmy Carter and his democratic party stopped spare parts procurement for almost every weapon system in our military, and diverted the funds to social programs. The F-15 was brand new at the time with leading edge technology designed to provide air superiority anywhere in the world on a moments notice. That was my job. I loved it, but guess what? In a two year period from 1979 to 1981, there was not one day when more that one-third of my assigned aircraft were flyable. It is amazing the lengths we went to in those days, cannibalizing parts, expending twice the time and energy to fix every little item, and still two-thirds of the birds were always broken because of no spare parts. Had this country faced a really serious military threat during that time frame, only Montana Hunters could have saved us. The military had some equipment, but it was all broken. Do you want to know the really bad part for me and the young fighter pilots working for me? Our flying sortie rate was so low that pilot proficiency dropped to dangerous levels. The accident rate tripled. That obviously was totally unacceptable, as we were losing expensive airplanes and highly trained young pilots at a rate comparable to losses seen in actual combat. All of a sudden, even a Texas Aggie like me began to see a trend.

Forward a few years to 1986. I am an F-16 Wing Commander at MacDill AFB, Florida , and Ronald Regan is president. His change in attitude and policy toward the military had time to fix the spare parts problem. We were flying 26,000 flying sorties per year out of MacDill AFB, my aircraft fully mission capable rate (FMC) was above 90%, the aircraft accident rate was below 1.75 per hundred thousand flying hours, fighter pilots were flying and proficiency levels were at an all time high. The United States Air Force was ready to defend this Wonderful Country. Proof of the pudding is simple. Look what the USAF, and the military in general, accomplished in Iraq during Desert Storm. And, they did it in less than 100 hours. Yeah, at this point I was starting to realize there was a difference in mentality between Democrats and Republicans, or should I say, the Right and the Left.

Then, came everyone's favorite---Bill Clinton. If there ever was an individual 180 degrees out of sync with the ideals and the values of the US military, it was Clinton He was a known draft dodger, military hating, self absorbed, unspeakingly shameless and immoral individual, who the Left managed to elect President of the United States of America Clinton's antics in the White House would have brought court martial, conviction, and Dishonorable Discharge had he been a military member. We still suffer oral sex on school buses, because the President told the world it wasn't real sex, and some of our children believed him. It took a lot of years, but now I became certain. There is a big difference in the right and the left on all fronts, and for the first time I started feeling angry and shamed that the majority of the American people were actually willing to vote for such an individual.

Sometimes, an abstract such as the following tells the story in very simple terms: Jane Fonda, Tom Hayden, Lyndon Johnson, Robert McNamara, Ted Kennedy, Howard Dean, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton, Michael Moore , Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Nancy Pelosi, Barbra Boxer, John Kerry, Benedict Arnold, and the list goes on. America , wake up. Giving in to the likes of these people and Abraham Lincoln's prediction of destruction from within just may come true. There is not a country in the world that can be considered a conventional military threat to the United States today. However, this country faces a new kind of threat---one that will not go away. It is a threat even more serious that WWII, because money, industry and technology will not defeat it. It is a threat of defeat from within. It is a threat of a faltering economy because of a lack of resources, or the even the simple threat of such a loss brought on by terrorism. It is a threat created by the American people trusting the inept. It is a threat created by the people wanting change, and perilously believing that the left can successfully deliver that change. Have you seen anything from the left that remotely resembles an answer to the Iraq situation? Have you seen anything more than continued Bush-Bashing? Is that an answer? If there was ever a need for a strong, well trained military, it is now. THE LEFT HAS HISTORICALLY DISMANTLED OUR MILITARY IN THE NAME OF REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH FAVORING SOCIAL PROGRAMS. We just cannot afford to let that happen now. If we do, the entire country will be bowing to the east several times a day within the next 50 years, maybe sooner.

Now a final thought meant to upset as many as possible on the far-left. A as you might guess, I don't believe in political correctness. So, let's look at the facts, not far-left rhetoric attempting to empower the democratic party. Initially, I was not a George Bush fan. I am not even a Republican. I normally vote Republican, because of my total despise of Communism, Socialism and the far-left in this country. I am a Conservative. However, during his watch, I feel President Bush just happened to stumble upon the leading edge of the greatest threat this country has ever faced. Mistakes have been made, because of the newness of the threat. Overall, the President has done a superb job dealing the threat, and at the same time held off the constant ranting, raving, deceitful and malicious escapades of the far-left attempting to regain political power. IF THERE WAS EVER A TIME THE COUNTRY NEEDS TO COME TOGETHER AND BACK OUR PRESIDENT, IT IS RIGHT NOW. WITHOUT CONSENSUS WE ARE EMPOWERING THE TERROR IST!!!! The far-left is totally absorbed with the power struggle and regaining control of congress. They could care less about defeating the threat. It literally disgusts me to hear the constant disagreement with everything the President tries to do, all in the name of trying to make him look bad to the voters. Unfortunately, by the time the American people really appreciate how bad the far-left really is, it may too late.

What are the real facts? On the home front this country's economy is the strongest that it has been in my lifetime. Interest rates are as low as they were when I was in high school forty years ago. Inflation does not exist for all practical purposes. For you youngster's, please remember the Jimmy Carter comments? The Dow is approaching 13,000. Unemployment is nonexistent. Wages are at an all time high. Home ownership is at an all time high. Taxes have been lowered to an almost acceptable level. Because of the surging economy the deficient is under control and projected to go away far ahead of schedule. The far-left is rich beyond its wildest dreams, so Mr. President when are you going to "fix" all these domestic problems? Bob and George, give me a break!!!!

On the war front this country has not been touched since 2001. I remember being part of a seminar at the USAF War College in 1983 discussing the terrorist threat. There were some good minds at that table and a lot of disagreement. However, one common thought was that the US would be hit within the next five years. Answers to the terrorist threat were just as hard to come by then as they are now. Well, it took a little longer than the projection, but the attack occurred. For an old military guy like me, the main point here is that it has not happened again. We have suckered the bad guys into entering the fight somewhere other than in our country. To hell with political correctness. The President can't say this, but I sure can. I smile every morning when I get up and realize that one of our great cities has not been blown away. And, there is zero doubt in my mind that if we pull out of Iraq prematurely, that will happen within a short period of time after our departure. I don't care what you might think of President Bush personally. He has done the best he can with what he has, and this country is not smoking because of it. So, back off McLean and McClellan. You honestly don't have a clue about what you are talking about. Call me, and I will tell you what I really think.

I realize there are different points of view on war, and I do not believe the meek will inherit the earth, at least not in the next few hundred years. To those like McClellan, McLean, poor Eve Kyes and Sinowa Cruz let me say, "This is a strong country!!!" It has survived the uneducated thinking of the far-left before, and I'll just bet it will again. Regardless of who is President, the people will not tolerate mass explosions on a daily basis, as our good friends in Israel have been forced to do. To protect that position of power, even Hillary will be forced to become a true hawk. To guarantee a few more votes Ted Kennedy may be forced to begin supporting a strong military. One more attack on America might even wipe the giddy, 'I-am-finally-somebody' grin from Nancy Pelosi's face, and make her realize that is not about votes and personal power. IT IS ABOUT PROTECTING THIS GREAT COUNTRY FROM ALL ENEMIES, BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC.

Jimmy L. Cash, Brig. Gen., USAF, Ret.
349 Jib Lane Lakeside , Montana

Papa Mo
07-19-2007, 08:50 AM
Well Said!!!

AZG23
07-19-2007, 09:33 AM
very good read.....thanks for sharing his comments Bill.....but Ive already decided to vote for Hillary...









































































:eek:

NOT! :D

John_P
07-19-2007, 09:41 AM
More propaganda from the Right on this board...doesn't surprise me anymore.

AZG23
07-19-2007, 09:46 AM
As it shouldnt surprise you John....this board is mostly conservative right thinking (not all) but mostly....:D

If you want more flavor in your online diet...try Democratic Underground :D You would fit right in.

John_P
07-19-2007, 10:02 AM
As it shouldnt surprise you John....this board is mostly conservative right thinking (not all) but mostly....:D

If you want more flavor in your online diet...try Democratic Underground :D You would fit right in.

Who is the liar?

"There are no American combat troops in Cambodia. There are no American combat advisers in Cambodia. There will be no American combat troops or advisers in Cambodia. We will aid Cambodia. Cambodia is the Nixon doctrine in its purest form...." - President Richard M. Nixon, November 1971

AZG23
07-19-2007, 10:13 AM
Politicians lie. Governments lie.

SavageSun4x4
07-19-2007, 11:24 AM
More propaganda from the Right...

"Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic attempt to shape perceptions, manipulate cognitions, and direct behavior to achieve a response that furthers the desired intent of the propagandist." Source: Garth S. Jowett and Victoria O'Donnell, Propaganda And Persuasion, 4th edition, 2006.

Very good read on this subject: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda

Everyone uses it, be it governments or some guy talking about his Jeep and bowling ball...makes no difference. And it has gone on since DAY 1!

BUT no one or entity has ever employed it better than the Nazi's and the communists, USSR who refined it to a entirely new level.

While I will admit that the right employees it, the Dims used it book, chapter and verse as well as the communists. Where Der Klinton studied in the 60's in USSR!!!! George Soros whose roots are in and AS a Nazi sympathizer (read the transcript of his 60 Minute interview).



"There are no American combat troops in Cambodia. There are no American combat advisers in Cambodia. There will be no American combat troops or advisers in Cambodia. We will aid Cambodia. Cambodia is the Nixon doctrine in its purest form...." - President Richard M. Nixon, November 1971

You make the assumption, like so many folks (regardless of political leaning) the President is all-knowing and all-seeing.

The President is neither. He has over a MILLION folks on his payroll and 300 million are being served.

If you have ONE as in 1 person working for you or under your leadership, such as a child, you don't know what is going on in their life, let alone 300 Million folks out there.

Not saying Nixon lied or didn't lie. Just saying the President may or may not have known.

John_P
07-19-2007, 11:31 AM
Don, your post is automatically disqualified for post of the year because you brought up Nazis during an internet discussion.

Thanks for playing.

My point was that this area constantly gets bombarded with BS republican chain letters...

Allen
07-19-2007, 12:05 PM
My point was that this area constantly gets bombarded with BS republican chain letters...

Or dimocratic poopiganda!

danno
07-19-2007, 12:09 PM
Sorry.... You had me until the part about suffering oral sex on school buses, because the President told the world it wasn't real sex...

What in the hell does that have to do with any of the other things mentioned in the article. That was the man's own business that was dredged up for who the heck knows whatever reason... That was not the fault of Klinton, rather the fault of the media and the witch trial special prosecutors.

So the man got himself a BJ... Gimmie a break, that was his own friggin business.

Also, I really fail to see how beening in "sync with the ideals and the values of the US military" is really the best thing for the country...

Antman
07-19-2007, 12:20 PM
Sorry.... You had me until the part about suffering oral sex on school buses, because the President told the world it wasn't real sex...

What in the hell does that have to do with any of the other things mentioned in the article. That was the man's own business that was dredged up for who the heck knows whatever reason... That was not the fault of Klinton, rather the fault of the media and the witch trial special prosecutors.

So the man got himself a BJ... Gimmie a break, that was his own friggin business.

Also, I really fail to see how beening in "sync with the ideals and the values of the US military" is really the best thing for the country...

I guess your avatar says it all.:rolleyes:

As for JohnP....Thanks for falling for the trap..........:p

SavageSun4x4
07-19-2007, 12:34 PM
That was the man's own business that was dredged up for who the heck knows whatever reason... That was not the fault of Klinton, rather the fault of the media and the witch trial special prosecutors.

So the man got himself a BJ... Gimmie a break, that was his own friggin business.

Also, I really fail to see how beening in "sync with the ideals and the values of the US military" is really the best thing for the country...

No, he was out getting a BJ on MY TIME and I don't like it.

Tell you what I will do: At my cost I send a hooker over to your office to give you a BJ during working hours and we will see if your boss thinks its ok.

He was the President of the US with a really BIG job to do and nowhere in his job description does it say BJ's are OK. Far as I am concerned he is on duty as President 24x365 and he is working for me, I call the shots and yes it is my business since he is cashing a paycheck that has my name ON IT!

The President has so much idle time on his hands that he has NOTHING to do other than get BJs in the Oval Office...you are KIDDING on this right?

It is also the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. He needs to be in sync with the standards as set, he is the guy who sets the example.

No I don't think the standards of the military apply to the rest of the US. Our standards are higher.

Am I too assume that I as a commander of a military unit can get a BJ in my office and use the excuse "that was his own friggin business"? Gimmie a break!

John_P
07-19-2007, 12:47 PM
Or dimocratic poopiganda!

There is a joke there...right?

XJ Un-Limited
07-19-2007, 01:11 PM
No, he was out getting a BJ on MY TIME and I don't like it.

Tell you what I will do: At my cost I send a hooker over to your office to give you a BJ during working hours and we will see if your boss thinks its ok.

He was the President of the US with a really BIG job to do and nowhere in his job description does it say BJ's are OK. Far as I am concerned he is on duty as President 24x365 and he is working for me, I call the shots and yes it is my business since he is cashing a paycheck that has my name ON IT!

The President has so much idle time on his hands that he has NOTHING to do other than get BJs in the Oval Office...you are KIDDING on this right?

It is also the Commander-In-Chief of the Armed Forces. He needs to be in sync with the standards as set, he is the guy who sets the example.

No I don't think the standards of the military apply to the rest of the US. Our standards are higher.

Am I too assume that I as a commander of a military unit can get a BJ in my office and use the excuse "that was his own friggin business"? Gimmie a break!


I couldn't agree more! I was in the service during his lousy tenure as the President, I felt ashamed that he could get away with this, among other things. Marriages and relationships are hard to keep together in the military as is, that whole ordeal sent the wrong message down the pipe. The President did it, lied about it, and got away with it, why can't I? Being the President, he has (had) standards to lay down and stick to, end of story. I had spent a good time of my service overseas while he was president, so I missed a good portion of his impact on U.S. soil, which I'm partially grateful for. I can't say I looked forward to deploying to any type of conflict, but at least that felt right (serving the good ol' U.S. of A etc. etc.), and was supporting Presidents that stood his ground (both Bushes).

Kiwi
07-19-2007, 02:14 PM
Nice read. Good thing you have a nice flame proof suit! Nothing irks liberals more than the truth! Rush goes through past quotes of what liberals have said that contradict themselves, and liberals call that progaganda!

I went in the military in 80, right at the start of the Regan years, and almost all of the 'old timers' (enlisted, at least) who had families were on food stamps because the pay was so bad.

But, your artical did leave out how BushCo flew that cruise missle into the Pentagon on 9/11.... even Rosie herself said it so must be true!! :)

danno
07-19-2007, 02:28 PM
I guess your avatar says it all.:rolleyes:


I could go into detail about judging a book by its cover.... But alas... perhaps I am wasting my time here. My experience has been that there is no changing the minds of the retired when it comes to pre-conceived notions.

I was born in California, and raised there a good portion of my life. and dang it, I am proud of where I came from... No one can take that away from me. Its much the same as been proud of the fact that I am an American.

Before you say... well why don't you move back there... Well... I like it here, and its one of the great things about this country that allows me to live where I choose to :)

No, he was out getting a BJ on MY TIME and I don't like it.

With that in mind, do you get upset whenever the Prez plays golf on your time, cuts down trees in his backyard on your time, walks his dog on your time, rides his bike on your time, watches the Discovery Channel on your time?

I know what your answer is going to be... Whats the harm in a little golf to blow of a little steam? Well, whats the harm in a little fooling around to blow off a little steam? :eek: whether with his wife or otherwise. Have you really taken a look at her? I can hardly blame the man... That should not have been between Klinton and the media, and the congress, and the public etc. It should have been between him and his wife and his mistress.... And thats it. So much money was spent in going after Klinton for this. It was such a waste of this countries resources to pursue it like it was done.

I guess my point was lost in the short sightedness :( I am saying that Mr. General Cash Retired's argument is a bit flawed when he talks about BJs on school buses in his arguement about the importance of the strength of the military.


Now where I fault Klinton was that under oath, he lied about it... That was and is totally wrong.

macinyart
07-19-2007, 02:49 PM
A BJ while in the oval office is at least tacky....not on "my time" for sure. What was he thinking? But it is a problem that he lied about it under oath. Isn't that called perjury? What do you think would happen to most of us if we committed perjury. And more, what kind of guy thinks a BJ isn't sex? "I never had sex with that woman" I quote him. What an insult to the American People who know what sex really is.

Kiwi
07-19-2007, 03:07 PM
I don't think it the the BJ that riled people as much as it was the lying "I did not have sex with that woman' and then try to explain that BJ isn't sex

Of course, in some sense, looking at Hillary, can anyone really blame him?...

If Hillary does win 08, I'd hate to be the carpet cleaning man - Bill puttering about with not much to do - a gagle of interns - 'hey ladies, it's not like it's sex or anything'....

CarolinaRubi
07-19-2007, 03:19 PM
Its all about power and thats it. I will vote for best person. The thing that i dont like is non constructive coments. If you point out a problem please offer a solution. Dont just let your platform be what the other person is doing wrong. Anyone can walk around saying things are wrong. I want a problem solver not a negative spew of crap. This is one nation isnt it? ( exept Cali of course )

SavageSun4x4
07-19-2007, 03:45 PM
With that in mind, do you get upset whenever the Prez plays golf on your time, cuts down trees in his backyard on your time, walks his dog on your time, rides his bike on your time, watches the Discovery Channel on your time?

I know what your answer is going to be...

Big difference Danno, you know that. It might also be noted that whether watching TV, playing golf or walking the dog, if a crises occurs the President is at hand to react immediately. Whereas the Pres and some intern locked up in the oval office is not. In fact we don't know what happened while this was going on.

The security of this nations is resting on the back of the President and he is locked in a room getting a BJ from an intern for the next 45 min.

What if 9/11 had occurred at this time.

Frankly there is nothing in my background or belief system that allows this dereliction of duty. This is a criminal offense and he endangered this nation and the military serving abroad that protects it.

If DerKlinton has guts or anything else he would have stepped down.

GRUNT
07-19-2007, 04:06 PM
Hey guess what?! I worked for the White House Military Office, during the tenure of the first Bush and then Clinton. The Presidents residence is upstairs, the first floor is the working area, the Oval Office is a government office. Anyone getting a "whatever" in their office would get fired. If he wanted to do it on his own time he could have taken a trip somewhere or taken her upstairs. One thing everyone should know, and I have first hand knowledge is that any elected official, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY, is indebted/sold out to/obligated to multiple people/organizations/corporations when they reach that level of politics. They have to sell their soles to someone to get that far..... Doesn't always mean they are bad, just that they get a lot of external influence on any of thier decisions. And... he commited perjury.

SavageSun4x4
07-19-2007, 05:01 PM
Hey guess what?! I worked for the White House Military Office, during the tenure of the first Bush and then Clinton. The Presidents residence is upstairs, the first floor is the working area, the Oval Office is a government office. Anyone getting a "whatever" in their office would get fired. If he wanted to do it on his own time he could have taken a trip somewhere or taken her upstairs. One thing everyone should know, and I have first hand knowledge is that any elected official, NO MATTER WHAT PARTY, is indebted/sold out to/obligated to multiple people/organizations/corporations when they reach that level of politics. They have to sell their soles to someone to get that far..... Doesn't always mean they are bad, just that they get a lot of external influence on any of thier decisions. And... he commited perjury.

AND he along with his wife (and a few other politicos)has sold their souls to the devil himself.

Antman
07-19-2007, 05:43 PM
I was born in California, and raised there a good portion of my life. and dang it, I am proud of where I came from... No one can take that away from me. Its much the same as been proud of the fact that I am an American.

Before you say... well why don't you move back there... Well... I like it here, and its one of the great things about this country that allows me to live where I choose to :)

Danno, didn't you see the rolled eyes? I was trying to be funny. You can live anywhere you want as far as I am concerned.

I can go on and on about Californians moving here, but I won't.;)

As for his fooling around compared to golf. MY GOD! Where are your morals? Just because his wife is ugly, he can get a

BJ whenever he wants? Do you really believe that? Sounds like an excuse to me. That's the problem Danno, Clinton get a

free pass on this crap always and I guarantee if you got caught with a secretary giving you a BJ at work, you would not only

get fired, but your wife would be pissed as well.:D

John_P
07-19-2007, 06:38 PM
I couldn't agree more! I was in the service during his lousy tenure as the President, I felt ashamed that he could get away with this, among other things. Marriages and relationships are hard to keep together in the military as is, that whole ordeal sent the wrong message down the pipe. The President did it, lied about it, and got away with it, why can't I? Being the President, he has (had) standards to lay down and stick to, end of story.

Don't be naive, I can only imagine how many presidents have soiled the executive sheets. The only difference is that nowadays, people want to know about that stuff, then have the gall to be upset when they find out.

danno
07-19-2007, 07:07 PM
As for his fooling around compared to golf. MY GOD! Where are your morals? Just because his wife is ugly, he can get a BJ whenever he wants? Do you really believe that? Sounds like an excuse to me. That's the problem Danno


Bill, am not condoning Clinton's actions, its tough to argue the point that I am arguing on a lower bandwidth form of communication such as a forum. And I didn't figure that I would change anyone's mind. I am just saying that this is one of those things that I would rather have not known about. Its a shame that Clinton did what he did, and I would certainly not do it myself. But, if the priorities of the press and the special prosecution was where it should have been, we would not have known about it at all... That would have been better for everyone involved including the american public and the tax money that we paid all of the folks involved in uncovering Clinton's private dealings with one of his interns.

I guess that I took your post as a bit threatening... The :rolleyes: to me means disgust and distainment. Again, the fault of a low bandwidth form of communication.

I am not exactly sure why I replied to this post today. I usually try to stay out of political conversations on the web. I think maybe its because I was having a bad day and felt that I needed to question how Clinton's actions are contributing to the country going straight to hell... The two don't seem related to me.

Joe West
07-19-2007, 07:30 PM
I didn't particularly care for Bill Clinton when he was in office... I thought he was a little morally void... HOWEVER... I personally have made plenty of morally void decisions in my life... something about glass houses and throwing stones.

However... Bill Clinton sacrificed a few thousand of his own sperm because of his stupidity...

George W on the other hand, has sacrificed a few thousand (rounding a bit) of our sons and daughters because of his stupidity.

Sorry gang... If I had to vote between the two... I'd vote for Clinton. King George (aka "the decider") is by far the worst president this country has ever had and I am embarrassed to admit I voted for him.

redrimjeep57
07-19-2007, 09:12 PM
Antman you are a great American !

redrimjeep57
07-19-2007, 09:18 PM
shakin up the LIBS and CALIs opps I ment COMMIES.Great post...RJ*

shannonmac
07-19-2007, 10:39 PM
However... Bill Clinton sacrificed a few thousand of his own sperm because of his stupidity...

George W on the other hand, has sacrificed a few thousand (rounding a bit) of our sons and daughters because of his stupidity.

thank you!!!!!!!

stupidity and arrogance imho.....

Antman
07-19-2007, 11:41 PM
Danno, Sorry you are having a bad day. Really, I am.I want you to know that politics are a ponder. Just like Joe West who I know is a great person, BUT, I nor you have to agree with him when it comes to our political beliefs.

I have served my time, but that doesn't make me an expert on politics. My family were old fashion southern Democrats like Zell Miller. BUT, I am just a Conservative, or Constitutional Conservative and both parties are tearing it apart! When politicians are less concerned with their power and party and get back to running this country FOR the People, I'll start showing them some respect.

If I get uppity some times, it's just because I am frustrated with all these "Born out of wed lock" Jerk politicians and their BS.


P.S. I really dislike the media more than the politicians. I feel they influence the news instead of just reporting it.

Have you ever been involved in a news story and the media got it all right? Neither have I.:D

YJunk
07-19-2007, 11:48 PM
...Tell you what I will do: At my cost I send a hooker over to your office to give you a BJ during working hours and we will see if your boss thinks its ok...

On the lighter side; I'm self employed and I've decided its okay... what time should I expect her?

SavageSun4x4
07-20-2007, 09:21 AM
Don't be naive, I can only imagine how many presidents have soiled the executive sheets.
No doubt, Klinton on the other hand was quite proud of it, but worst of all saw himself as doing no wrong.

uncovering Clinton's private dealings with one of his interns.



Danno, no private dealing here, maybe upstairs that night, but NOT in the middle of the day when he was, as he liked to say "doing the peoples business".



George W on the other hand, has sacrificed a few thousand (rounding a bit) of our sons and daughters because of his stupidity.


Lets not forget the 82 men, women, children and babies that Der Klinton murdered in Waco.

On the lighter side; I'm self employed and I've decided its okay... what time should I expect her?
You don't count, you don't have no boss ;)

GRUNT
07-20-2007, 09:32 AM
Waco, ooooo don't get me started on that one! Everyone got screwed there... IMO

Kiwi
07-20-2007, 10:05 AM
I didn't particularly care for Bill Clinton when he was in office... I thought he was a little morally void... HOWEVER... I personally have made plenty of morally void decisions in my life... something about glass houses and throwing stones.

However... Bill Clinton sacrificed a few thousand of his own sperm because of his stupidity...

George W on the other hand, has sacrificed a few thousand (rounding a bit) of our sons and daughters because of his stupidity.

Sorry gang... If I had to vote between the two... I'd vote for Clinton. King George (aka "the decider") is by far the worst president this country has ever had and I am embarrassed to admit I voted for him.

Well, actualy, becuase of Clinton's in-action, BJ's, president by polls or whatever you call it, he does have the blood of 3000 americans on his hands.

And, he was the one in office while Saddam was being paid billions to work on making WMD (oops, I mean the Oil for Food program)

SavageSun4x4
07-20-2007, 10:33 AM
Well, actualy, becuase of Clinton's in-action, BJ's, president by polls or whatever you call it, he does have the blood of 3000 americans on his hands.

And, he was the one in office while Saddam was being paid billions to work on making WMD (oops, I mean the Oil for Food program)

You are dead on Karl.

For some reason many folks seem to think there was no Iraq, no terrorists, nothing, the world was a great place and we all held pinky's until Bust was elected. They stumble in the fog thinking Bush is a liar, corrupt and lacks morals, our economy is in the tank etc etc.

All they want to do is go back to the "happy days are here again" administration of Der Klinton, the man who would be King.

Der Klinton, is the most corrupt, immoral man who has held office in this century and only the election of his wife will he fall to the number 2 position.

Albeit I am not to thrilled with ole George as MANY of his actions or inactions have touched me personally in a negative way and his treatment of our military is not much better than the treatment from Der Klinton himself.

Few if any folks on here have an axe to grind with Bush like I do. But what I know, is America is not about me, its about America and our Constitution and any man or woman who is a traitor to his country is a traitor to me as well. Der Klinton, belongs in JAIL, he is a traitor. Sadly he will look like a choir boy when Billary/Obama take over 9 Jan 09. Many years ago when the 'puter business was young (and so was I) we had a saying about crashed hard drives..."all that you knew, is GONE!" We will say that again, 9 Jan 09.

For most on here and elsewhere I hold no grudge on your views of Bush or Klinton etc. I blame your viewpoint only on your background or lack thereof in political matters. I will admit to some degree of bias due to the rift 'tween the Klintons and the Pryor family which goes back quite some time. Compound that with the split in the Pryor family along political lines and my fondness for the Dims is not great.

Time will prove me right or wrong and in reality I hope you do have a chance to say "I told you so" ;)