URGENT.... HB2443 on DOCKET TOMORROW!!!

[Sandee McCullen]

All,
THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE PRIOR TO 8:00 A.M. TOMORROW................... PLEASE SEND YOUR EMAILS TONIGHT AND MAKE YOUR CALLS 1ST THING IN THE MORNING. THIS IS OUR LAST CHANCE.

HB 2443 the off-highway vehicles user fee legislation will be voted on by the Senate and House tomorrow (June 19)!! This is our last chance for the passage of this important bill so please either call or email the Senators listed below. Please, contact only the Senators listed and keep the message consistent. It won't take long and future generations of Arizona OHV'ers will thank you.


Here is what we need from you.
1) Call the following Senators. Tell them exactly what is in the below message, please no ad-libbing on this …………we need the same message from everyone on this ……..give your name and district , what you ride , how many in your family…………..MOST of all , you support this bill! It does not matter if you call after hours……leave a message, if you talk to a person at the office, be polite and state the facts …………don't get mad or elaborate………keep it simple. If more than one rides in your family……send separate phone messages ……..give an age for kids too.

THIS MESSAGE IS FOR:
Dear Senator XXX,
My Family or I ask you to vote "yes" for HB 2443 when it comes to the Senate Floor for 3rd read.
We or I respectfully ask you to support this very important Bill that will help manage OHV use in Arizona. This Bill will address the major problems in managing OHV use including Law Enforcement, signage and maps and additional laws to address environmental concerns and property rights and gives a verifiable accounting each year of OHV dollars spent.

HB 2443 enhances safety, increases responsible use, helps the environment, and will help deal with illegal OHV use.

Your support for 2443 is needed and very greatly appreciated by those of us who want things to be done right out there for the benefit of riders and non-riders alike. Thank you very much.

Please Vote Yes on HB 2443

Sincerely, XXXX

IF ASKED…..your club is a member of AZOHVC or heard about this from AZOHVC emails.


Who to Call: If you are in this district , make sure to mention it!


Senator Paula Aboud Dist. 28 Dem. Phone # 602-926-5262 paboud@azleg.gov
Ask she continues her support.

Senator Amanda Aguirre Dist.24 Dem. Phone# 602-926-4139 aaguirre@azleg.gov
Ask she continues her support.

Senator Carolyn Allen Dist. 8 Rep. Phone Phone # 602-926-4480 callen@azleg.gov
Ask she continues her support.

Senator Marsha Arzberger Dist.25 Dem. Phone # 602-928-4321 marzberger@azleg.gov
Ask she continues her support.

Senator Meg Burton Cahill Dist.17 Dem. Phone # 602-926-4124 mburtoncahill@azleg.gov

Senator Timothy Bee Dist. 30 Rep. Phone # 602 926-5683 tbee@azleg.gov
Thank you for the help getting bill reconsidered.

Senator Ken Cheuvront Dist.15 Dem. Phone # 602-926-5325 kcheuvront@azleg.gov
Senator Jake Flake Dist 5 Rep. Phone # 602-926-5219 jflake@azleg.gov
thank you for your help on this bill.

Senator Linda Gray Dist.10 Rep. Phone # 602-926-3376 lgray@azleg.gov

Senator Jack Harper Dist.4 Rep. Phone # 602-926-4178 jharper@azleg.gov

Senator Robert Burns Dist. 9 Rep. Phone # 602-926-5993 rburns@azleg.gov
Thank him for running the reconsideration motion thru.

Senator Karen Johnson Dist.18 Rep. Phone # 602-926-3160 kjohnson@azleg.gov

Senator Albert Hale Dist. 2 Navajo Co. Phone # 602-926-4323 ahale@azleg.gov
If you live or vote or ride in Navajo County , let him know !

Senator Leah Landrum Taylor Dist. 16 Dem. Phone # 602- 926-3830 llandrumtaylor@azleg.gov

Senator Barbara Leff Dist.11 Rep. Phone # 602-926-4486 bleff@azleg.gov

Senator Richard Miranda Dist.13 Phone #602-926-59 11rmiranda@azleg.gov
Ask for his support.

Senator Tom O'Halleran Dist.1 Phone 3 602-926-5584 to'halleran@azleg.gov

Debbie McCune Davis Dist. 14 Dem. Phone # 602-926-4485 dmccunedavis@azleg.gov

Senator Victor Soltero Dist. 29 Dem Phone # 602-926-5342 vsoltero@azleg.gov
Thinks his dist. Is against bill.

Senator Tibshraeny Dist.21 Rep Phone # 602-926-4481 jtibshraeny@azleg.gov

Senator Jim Waring Dist 7 Rep. Phone # 602- 926- 417-3150 jwaring@azleg.gov
Thanks for your support.


2) Send an email to all the Senators in the above list (above listed senators only please). Again follow the outline , keep it simple, be appreciative of the Senators time………….thank them for their consideration but let them know, as above, that you support this Bill. Club you are with would help to ………..get anyone that you know to write too………..even if they don't ride they can support this. If more than one rides in your family……send separate emails ……..give an age for kids and let them write too.

Dear Senator XXX,
My Family or I ask you to vote "yes" for HB 2443 when it comes to the Senate Floor for 3rd read.
We or I respectfully ask you to support this very important Bill that will help manage OHV use in Arizona. This Bill will address the major problems in managing OHV use including Law Enforcement, signage and maps and additional laws to address environmental concerns and property rights and gives a verifiable accounting each year of OHV dollars spent.

HB 2443 enhances safety, increases responsible use, helps the environment, and will help deal with illegal OHV use.

Your support for 2443 is needed and very greatly appreciated by those of us who want things to be done right out there for the benefit of riders and non-riders alike. Thank you very much.

Please Vote Yes on HB 2443

Sincerely, XXXX

[My Green Jeep]

FWIW...

Walter and I sent our email... going to make calls tomorrow..

Come on guys... we need to do this...

[My Green Jeep]

WOO HOOO... I just got this email from Senator Aguirre, she is voting YES!!! ----------------------------------------

Subject: RE: Please Vote Yes on HB 2443
Date: 6/18/2007 5:37:56 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time
From: aaguirre@azleg.gov
To: ROXGIRL@aol.com

You have my Yes vote. Thank you for your email.





Best Regards,

Sen. Amanda Aguirre
Legislative District #

[Fire Ball]

Messages sent, come on ya'll get on board!

[06GrnRubi]

Twenty-one emails sent.

[desertrubi]

Just got done sending my emails.

Lets hope it passes.

[SHNIPE]

Made it a bit easer to email. Just move them to BCC portion of your TO address so it looks less of a mass email.
mailto:aaguirre@azleg.gov;paboud@azleg.gov;callen@ azleg.gov;marzberger@azleg.gov;mburtoncahill@azleg .gov;tbee@azleg.gov;kcheuvront@azleg.gov;jflake@az leg.gov;lgray@azleg.gov;jharper@azleg.gov;rburns@a zleg.gov;kjohnson@azleg.gov;ahale@azleg.gov;llandr umtaylor@azleg.gov;bleff@azleg.gov;rmiranda@azleg. gov;to'halleran@azleg.gov;dmccunedavis@azleg.gov;v soltero@azleg.gov;jtibshraeny@azleg.gov;jwaring@az leg.gov

[My Green Jeep]

mailto:aaguirre@azleg.gov;paboud@azleg.gov;callen@ azleg.gov;marzberger@azleg.gov;mburtoncahill@azleg .gov;tbee@azleg.gov;kcheuvront@azleg.gov;jflake@az leg.gov;lgray@azleg.gov

Nicely done Dennis...

Thanks!!!

[SHNIPE]

I fixed it. Had it at TWO email links now its working as one. Guess i messed up the first one so i had it as two. worked out the kinks!

[Fire Ball]

I thought about that but I decided to email each one personally with their name on it. Only took about 30 minutes.

[offroadaz]

done

[desertangel]

I just sent the e-mails.

[Fire Ball]

I got 2 friends to do it too. One is a quad driver and one just a hunter.

[1BLKJP]

Everyone that knows anyone in these districts. Send it to your friends, family, co-workers. We need these people to know how much we want this legislation passed.

[amber.hodge]

emails sent separately to each and every one......even played the military family wanting to ensure our hobby for our limited time off be protected card......

[pirate16]

ok i sent one to each senator, i sent an unique one to each one using each of their names, took about 30 min.

[amber.hodge]

Is there a way to find out how each senator votes tomorrow? Where would I get that information?

[amber.hodge]

I got a response from Senator Gray!! (see below)

Madame Senator,
I appreciate your vote. Thank you!

Best Regards,

Amber Cherise Hodge

________________________________________
From: Linda Gray [mailto:lgray@azleg.gov]
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:54 PM
To: amber cherise hodge
Subject: RE: HB 2443

I'll be voting yes on the OHV bill.
Senator Linda Gray

________________________________________
From: amber cherise hodge [mailto:AmberHodge@cox.net]
Sent: Mon 6/18/2007 9:13 PM
To: Linda Gray
Subject: HB 2443

Dear Senator Gray,
My Family and I are asking you to vote "yes" for HB 2443 when it comes to the Senate Floor for 3rd read.
We respectfully ask you to support this very important Bill that will help manage OHV use in Arizona. This Bill will address the major problems in managing OHV use including Law Enforcement, signage and maps and additional laws to address environmental concerns and property rights and gives a verifiable accounting each year of OHV dollars spent.

HB 2443 enhances safety, increases responsible use, helps the environment, and will help deal with illegal OHV use. As a member of a dual military family (my spouse is also active duty), we enjoy our seldom breaks for family time by taking off road trails. It would deeply sadden us to see our freedom restricted due to the current management of the OHV use in Arizona.

Your support for 2443 is needed and very greatly appreciated by those of us who want things to be done right out there for the benefit of riders and non-riders alike. Thank you very much.

Please Vote Yes on HB 2443

Best Regards,

Amber Cherise Hodge

[Sandee McCullen]

THANKS one and all !!! Mass mails or BCC are ok but personally addressed is preferred........... but ALL help!!!

We have a handful posted here but if we can get HUNDREDS in there by tomorrow morning we'll truly have a GOOD chance.

We will have the list of votes tomorrow afternoon. I'll post when I get it.

[My1stJeep]

Emails have been sent and as soon as I get off this conference call, yes still on at 11:16pm, I will make the calls.

[FrenchChili]

All sent, in my own words....getting tired of the copy/paste thing:D

[1BLKJP]

Is there a way to find out how each senator votes tomorrow? Where would I get that information?

Amber, yes there is a way. As soon as the vote is taken and recorded it will be posted on the Senate web site. However I would imagine the Coalition's legislative liasion and our lobbyist will be in the capital tomorrow. As soon as any one of us knows something we will post it up.

[1BLKJP]

Here is todays , june 19 , 2007 update on HB 2443.
Senator Gould has threatened a Filabuster if the Bill is brought to the floor tommorrow. ( also why it was not heard today....... a Filibuster is basically Sen. Gould talking all ....ALL day long and dragging the session out)

SOOOO........here is what I need today............If as many folks that can would Email or fax the following Senators with the message for each and or call their offices and leave a message ......It could help to have the Bill at least heard ...................And that is the problem right now .....they are deciding which of the Bills that are left WILL BE HEARD. IF ours is not one of them it is over ..........simple as that .....all the time and effort down the drain without being heard. Senate President Tim Bee will decide. With the figures that we have right now it looks like we would have 18 "For" votes if we can get Soltero and Tibshraeny. The big kahuna for the evening however is Mr. Bee. We have to get the bill heard or it's dead.


So, I know we have asked for lots of folks time writing and all .............. please one more time!

Call and or write:

Senate President Timothy Bee Phone # 602 926-5683 tbee@azleg.gov

Senate President Timothy Bee

PLEASE allow HB 2443 to be heard Wednesday, June 20 before the Senate.

Thank you for the continued consideration of this very important Bill.
We thank you for all your help and leadership.
Sincerely...................
Member of (AZOHVC or ..........) if applicable



Senator Victor Soltero Dist. 29 Dem Phone # 602-926-5342 vsoltero@azleg.gov
Thinks his dist. Is against bill.


Senator Victor Soltero

Thank you for the continued consideration of this very important Bill.

We ask you to please vote yes when HB 2443 come before you on Wednesday June 20th.

Sincerely...................
Member of (AZOHVC or ..........) if applicable


Senator Tibshraeny Dist.21 Rep Phone # 602-926-4481 jtibshraeny@azleg.gov
On the fence.

Senator Jay Tibshraeny

Thank you for the continued consideration of this very important Bill.

We ask you to please vote yes when HB 2443 come before you on Wednesday June 20th.

Sincerely...................

[My1stJeep]

I sent the letters, I also called my Senator as I have him listed on the No votes and requested he vote Yes. He was not there, however his assistant and I had a lengthy discussion, she actually seemed very interested, I hope she passes along everything we discussed, including my request for a call back.

[Hackle]

I got a response from Thimothy Bees office already.

Good Afternoon: The Senate will be taking up the OHV bill (HB 2443) tomorrow. It did not fit into the Senate schedule today. Please continue your supportive e-mails and calls. If you have any questions don’t hesitate to contact me. Thanks for your support.



Ben

(602) 789-3533

[Fire Ball]

Glad to see my Senator is in the "no" catagory. :( :(

I sent her another email and will call her also. I'm gonna try to get some of our frinds and neighbors to do the same.

Senator Rebecca Rios Dist 23

[amber.hodge]

What senator is over the gilbert and the 60 area????

[Fire Ball]

Jay Blanchard, Gilbert Sen D jblancha@azleg.state.az.us 602-542-5325

I think this is him. You might want to verify it.

[Fire Ball]

I take it back, I think yours is Bee

Timothy S. Bee tbee@azleg.gov 602-926-5683

***edit*** I have found 3 different maps with 3 different numbers on it I give up!!

[Sandee McCullen]

What senator is over the gilbert and the 60 area????

Hard to tell Amber.......... Dist. 21, 29 & 30 all touch at Southern & Gilbert. I would suggest you Google: Arizona Legislative Districts.
It will bring you to a map where you can see exactly where you live.

At this time it doesn't matter if you live in that specific district or not. Please write and/or call each listed.

Thanks........

[AbsoluteOffroad]

Sent emails for personal and business.

Lisa

[jpotts]

This failed. 15 - 10 with a mix of Dems and Reps voting no:

BILL STATUS VOTES FOR HB2443 - Third Reading


Paula Aboud N
Amanda Aguirre Y
Carolyn S. Allen Y
Marsha Arzberger Y
Robert Blendu N
Robert "Bob" Burns Y
Meg Burton Cahill NV
Ken Cheuvront Y
Jake Flake Y
Jorge Luis Garcia N
Pamela Gorman N
Ron Gould N
Chuck Gray NV
Linda Gray Y
Albert Hale Y
Jack W. Harper NV
John Huppenthal N
Karen Johnson N
Leah Landrum Taylor Y
Barbara Leff Y
Debbie McCune Davis NV
Richard Miranda Y
Tom O'Halleran Y
Charlene Pesquiera N
Rebecca Rios N
Victor Soltero Y
Jay Tibshraeny NV
Thayer Verschoor N
Jim Waring Y
Timothy S. Bee Y

[joedokes28]

Just got this @ 6:13 pm (15 minutes ago)


Dear Mr. Hall,

Thanks for your note. I did vote for the bill, but it just failed 15-10.

Best,

Jim

Jim Waring
State Senator
District 7

Bad news :(

[Fire Ball]

So can any one explain to me why these people were against this bill?

[My1stJeep]

Contact the no votes and ask. I have been trying to figure it out, have heard some were presenting this as a tax instead of a fee, but who knows. Just wrote a 3 page letter to my Senator asking him that very thing and reminding him again that his voting record on issues important to me will determine how I vote and right now his chances are not looking good.

[jpotts]

Contact the no votes and ask. I have been trying to figure it out, have heard some were presenting this as a tax instead of a fee, but who knows. Just wrote a 3 page letter to my Senator asking him that very thing and reminding him again that his voting record on issues important to me will determine how I vote and right now his chances are not looking good.

I sent a similar (although shorter) letter to my Senator (Jack Harper - R) asking for clarification of why he chose not to vote for this bill. If he responds, I will post his response so that others in his district on this board will understand his reasoning (or lack thereof).

[My1stJeep]

Well part of the 3 page letter was informing him of all the things that are going to happen with the lack of educational opportunities, the LEO's etc... that will now not be funded.

I have been trying to get to talk with this guy for months and he just ignores me. If I had the time at this job, I would take a few days to sit in his office until he sees me.

Instead I wrote a letter that I hope prompts him to respond, I copied some in his district and hope they take suite and we can find out what his thoughts were. Also reminded him that I do vote and right now his voting record is not helping his chances of getting mine come next election.

[1BLKJP]

Okay just got some new information on exactly how the vote went down from Jeff.

On Monday we were under the impression we had 20 votes of which we knew we needed 16. 2443 ended up being the final vote of the day and by that time 4 senators had already left for the summer recess (all were supposed YES votes). Paula Aboud had been a supporter of this bill from the beginning however she got a last minute call from the Sierra Club telling her they weren't happy they hadn't been involved in all of the meetings (of which they actually were involved in meetings with the task team and the later meetings with Rep. Weiers) so she flipped on us. And it seems that Sen. Davis was actually in a huff about her bill in the House so she decided not to vote on our bill (kind of a different story than what she wrote to you in your email Ray).

After a few days have passed and Jeff has a chance to cool down he is going to put together some information on the Senators that were absolutely against this bill, so that your voices can be heard from them in the future.

One positive note that I read in Jeff (AZOHVC Legislative Liasion) email was that Senate President Bee personally called him this morning asking him to call off his dogs that all of the emails and phone calls he received yesterday definitely got our message across. Sen. Bee was also a Yes vote for us.

So a huge thanks is owed to all of you who took the time over the past few months to help us with letters/emails/faxes/phone calls on this bill. It was great legislation that was supported by everyone in the state. It passed the House with 54 out of 60 votes and was stopped in the Senate due to simple stubborness. We were 1 vote away people. Eventhough we are all disapointed and annoyed with the system right now, our voices were heard and this will not be the last we hear from the OHV Sticker in our state. We will have our day.

[Sandee McCullen]

I sent a similar (although shorter) letter to my Senator (Jack Harper - R) asking for clarification of why he chose not to vote for this bill. If he responds, I will post his response so that others in his district on this board will understand his reasoning (or lack thereof).

Please let us know what he answers.............. he has been supportive in the past. Jeff and I met with him several years ago and he has ALWAYS supported anything we've asked of him.

I believe most of our problems stem from lack of total education re this bill and the need of it. This result simply means our next step MUST be getting involved in Legislative Walks; luncheons on the Senate Lawn for education and one on one discussions; Responsible Drive By's; but most of all we need to do a lot of personal meet and greets early in 2008 legislation session. We ALMOST made it.......................

[amber.hodge]

Dear Senator Tibshraeny,
I was saddened to see that you did not vote for HB 2443. I have long voted for you – well, ever since I turned 18 about 9 years ago. I am a young republican, and my involvement in politics and voting is to ensure that the man, or woman, who is best to represent me be elected. That being said, this is the single most important issue to me in Arizona that you have had the chance to vote on. You represent me. Your vote was my voice as I helped to elect you with mine in the past. The fact that you did not even participate in the vote upsets me, and I believe you have just lost my vote. Please take these important matters more seriously next time, as you represent my family and I along with the other residents of your area.

Best Regards,

Amber Cherise Hodge

[amber.hodge]

And to the yes votes:

Dear Senator XXXXXX,
I am writing to thank you for your support in way of voting “yes” on HB 2443. Although it did not pass, it meant a lot that you voted the way you did. You have my vote in your future elections. You have shown me that you not only listen, but also act on and respond to your public’s opinions and needs.

[Sandee McCullen]

Dear Senator Tibshraeny,
I was saddened to see that you did not vote for HB 2443. I have long voted for you – well, ever since I turned 18 about 9 years ago. I am a young republican, and my involvement in politics and voting is to ensure that the man, or woman, who is best to represent me be elected. That being said, this is the single most important issue to me in Arizona that you have had the chance to vote on. You represent me. Your vote was my voice as I helped to elect you with mine in the past. The fact that you did not even participate in the vote upsets me, and I believe you have just lost my vote. Please take these important matters more seriously next time, as you represent my family and I along with the other residents of your area.

Best Regards,

Amber Cherise Hodge

Thanks Amber............ WE ALL need to send similar notes to our Senator. Amber is absolutely correct and it does work. Senator Bee (President of the Senate) has been against this bill from the get go but he voted for it. I too sent a similar letter but leaning a bit more towards how he needed to understand this bill was not involving OHV having fun but "how do we stop the yahoos that ARE abusing our lands and resources".

I truly believe we need to remind some of these guys/gals what their position is............. it's not about personal opinion................... it's about those people that elected them!

BTW: A short note to Representative Jerry Weiers thanking him for standing up for this bill. Hopefully 2008 will bring us through.

[amber.hodge]

I'm just frustrated.....You vote for a guy, you think he has your best interests in mind, you leave him 2 voicemails and 2 emails prior to the vote and that is just ME - not counting everyone else!!!.....and then he no-shows....well, if a day in the Hamptons or whereever rich senators go this time of year is more important than my vote, then so-be-it. :) He lost it.

[06GrnRubi]

The NV from Jay Tibshraeny doesn't really surprise me. Some years ago, Jay and the rest of the Chandler City Council took an item from the adjenda and moved it to the front because the owner of a business was at the meeting and wanted an exception to put a satelite dish in the front of his business. The rule was that they needed to be in the rear. The business owner needed to know immediately whether or not the city council was going to allow his variance, because, (and get this) the installers were out there at "right now" to install the dish, and there was a live radio broadcast scheduled for the next day. The city council STOPPED what it was doing, discussed the issue, and voted in favor of giving the green light. John Huppenthal, (he voted NO on this current issue), was also on the city council at that time.

Personally, I would have voted no, just for the fact that the owner made all of these plans without knowing how the vote was going to go. The way the council handled the situation made me so mad, that I ran for a seat on the city council during the next election. I lost, but only by about 1,000 votes. (If I remember correctly.)

And Sandee wonders why I have no faith in our elected officials.

[Sean K.]

Was HB2443 in favor of the Copper State Sticker Program?

Sean

[Hackle]

Sean, it was the "copper sticker bill"

[Fire Ball]

I would personally thank everyone who contributed to get this as far as it did. There are a lot of vocal people out there and just as many working in the shadows but doing important work. You all know who you are.

I stand and bow to you all and hope I will be able to step it up even farther and be worthy of your company.

If we all step it up we can get this stuff done.

Thanks again,

Bill

[amber.hodge]

I did vote on this legislation---and I supported it but it didn't go far enough. Now the sponsor will have to sit down with a larger stakeholder group to build a coalition that can pass this legislation with all the proper safeguards.
Thanks for writing.
Sen. Aboud


Above was sent to me in response to my email saying that her vote of no distressed me........how does no mean yes??? Women like her are very confusing.

[Hackle]

Amber she is a politcian! This bill had already included everyone and one of the Senators even commented to that effect, that all the work had been doen before it even came to the senate. She is running for cover do not let her get away with it!
Jim F.

[amber.hodge]

I sent her back a message saying in a nice way that I didn't think a "no" vote showed any type of support for anything. You don't have to graduate grade school to get that.

[Sandee McCullen]

I did vote on this legislation---and I supported it but it didn't go far enough. Now the sponsor will have to sit down with a larger stakeholder group to build a coalition that can pass this legislation with all the proper safeguards.
Thanks for writing.
Sen. Aboud


Above was sent to me in response to my email saying that her vote of no distressed me........how does no mean yes??? Women like her are very confusing.

Senator Aboud was supportive of this bill until the very end and as the "rumor" goes Sierra Club called her at the last minute and whined "they hadn't be involved" so she took them at their word and blew OHV off. She's a firm supporter of Sierra Club.

The problem is Sierra Club WAS involved in the end of the Task Team meetings but only attended when they felt they were getting their way............ they wanted something like 30% for environmental rehab (allegedly to the trails and areas WE DESTROY) as well as even more for law enforcement. These figures would have left OHV with NOTHING. We only get around 50% as it is. When all went to Representative Weiers they were involved in those meetings but stopped attending again when they didn't get what they wanted. Being that they pulled this back door stunt there was no time to dispute or clarify it.

We certainly know better for next year!!!

[1BLKJP]

Hmm, so I just watched the video from April's reading of the bill. I'm kind of in awe. We have a lot of work ahead of us in regards to educating our legislators on OHV issues in the state.

Amber and My1stJeep, you both should really check this out and hear the comments that were made by Aboud and Blendu on our bill.

http://azleg.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=3&clip_id=1215&meta_id=24286

[RokNRich]

That was awesome insight into how it works.

Sen Flake nailed it on the head for me. He voted for it, but didn't like it.

Thanks for posting the link up Jack.

[My1stJeep]

Wow, heard Blendu and is he in left field. I did notice that was the 3rd read back in April, not sure it it is still his main reason for voting no.

I sure wish he had gotten back to me. The only people buying this permit are those recreating on AZ land. If they travel only over to the Imperial Sand Dunes and never use their vehicle here, then they don't have to pay the fee as I understand it. Talk about being confused or grasping at straws for a reason to vote no.

Gould holding on to a Tax, I think he needs to read up on the difference between a user fee and a tax.

[Fire Ball]

My father was in our state legislature for a couple terms. If you really knew what went on you would probably cry.

He was so upset at the polotics he finally quit. There is no representing the people here. It is all about having friensds and sharing favors.