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559 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 4:46pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
>I'm also planning on doing the fire road up the north side
>of Mount Lemmon and then down into Tucson to visit friends.
>If anyone here has done that, any tips/pointers would be
>appreciated.
I have done the back road up Mt. Lemmon several times, in fact a few of us
just did it again this past weekend. It is a pretty easy way up. A stock
Jeep has no trouble making it up. There is also a hill climb to play on
about halfway up, you will see it to your right as you make your way up the
road.
I do not have any pictures posted from this past weekend's trip yet, but
there are some posted from awhile back at my web site. Just follow the link
on the home page for Mt. Lemmon. http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
Later,
Jeffrey
"...it's all fun and games until
someone loses an eye......"
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560 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 11:42am
Subject: Good Advice
>Tech Support Request
>
>Last year I upgraded Girlfriend 1.0 to Wife 1.0 and noticed that the >new
program began unexpected child processing that took up a lot of >space and
valuable resources. No mention of this phenomenon was >included in the
product brochure. In addition, Wife 1.0 installs >itself into all other
programs and launches during system >initialization where it monitors all
other system activity. >Applications such as Pokernight 10.3 and Beerbash 2.5
no longer run, >crashing the system whenever selected. I can not seem to purge
Wife >1.0 from my system. I am thinking about going back to Girlfriend 1.0
>but uninstall does not work on this program. Can you help me?
>
>Jonathan Powell
>
Dear Jonathan Powell,
>This is very common problem men complain about but is mostly due to >a
primary misconception. Many people upgrade from Girlfriend 1.0 to >Wife 1.0
with the idea that Wife 1.0 is merely a "UTILITIES & >ENTERTAINMENT" program.
>
>Wife 1.0 is an OPERATING SYSTEM and designed by its creator to run
>everything. WARNING; DO NOT TRY TO uninstall, delete, or purge the >program
from the system once installed. Trying to uninstall Wife >1.0 can be
disastrous. Doing so may destroy your hard and/or >floppy drive. Trying to
uninstall or remove Wife 1.0 will destroy >valuable system resources. You can
not go back to Girlfriend 1.0 >because Wife 1.0 is not designed to do this.
Some have tried to >install Girlfriend 2.0 or Wife 2.0 but end up with more
problems than >the original system. Look in your manual under
Warnings->Alimony/Child Support. Others have tried to run Girlfriend 1.0 in
the >background, while Wife 1.0 is running. Eventually Wife 1.0 detects
>Girlfriend 1.0 and a system conflict occurs, this can lead to a
non->recoverable system crash. Some users have tried to download similar
>products such as Fling and 1NiteStand. Often their systems have >become
infected with a virus. I recommend you keep Wife 1.0 and >just deal with the
situation.
>
>Having Wife 1.0 installed myself, I might also suggest you read the >entire
section regarding General Protection Faults (GPFs). You must >assume all
responsibility for faults and problems that might occur. >The best course of
action will be to push apologize button then reset >button as soon as lock-up
occurs. The system will run smooth as long as >you take the blame for all
GPFs. Wife 1.0 is a great program but is >very high maintenance. >>
Suggestions for improved operation of Wife 1.0, > monthly use utilities
such as TLC and FTD also > frequently use Communicator 5.0.
>
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561 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 5:19pm
Subject: Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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562 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 1:54pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
In a message dated 2/16/99 7:02:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
edelsys@s... writes:
> Hi! My name's Tony and I am a new member of this mailing
> list.
Welcome Tony! You're in good company with the people in this group. I've met
several (probably only about 1/3 of the entire group), and everyone has been
helpful, friendly and willing to guide the less experienced (i.e. me). Hope
to see you on the trail soon.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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563 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 2:04pm
Subject: Fwd: Coves/Rolls clean up
In a message dated 2/16/99 6:20:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
daballard@prodigy.net writes:
> The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
> newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
> Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
> the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
> close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
>
> This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
> fun wheelin besides.
>
> Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
> could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
> person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
> could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
> worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
>
> If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Doug
>
I'm interested, but won't be free for about 3 weeks. If my schedule allows
I'd be happy to help (and play <G>).
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:19:08 -0700
From: DougB daballard@p...
Organization: Prodigy Internet
To: az_vjc@m...
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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564 From: David Ross <davyd@i...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:37pm
Subject: Info
The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
If anyone needs the "military" 5 gal gas cans I know of a place you can
get them cheap...and they are relatively new Luke AFB's DRMO it's on
Glendale about a mile from the base proper. Last time I was there you
could still get a jeep willy for $500.
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565 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Info
David Ross wrote:
>
> The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
> Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
> lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
> an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
> goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
> fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
> my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
> there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
>
Sounds like a good candidate for a summer overnight trip. Where does it
come out at Mormon Lake? I've done some trails around there, and may
have been on part of it.
Doug
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566 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Good Advice
I love it......here's the version I have:
A friend of mine has some application conflicts and asked for some help.....
I'm currently running the latest version of GirlFriend and I've been having
some problems lately. I've also been running the same version of Drinking
Buddies 1.0 forever as my primary application and all the GirlFriend
releases I've tried have always conflicted with it.
I hear that DrinkingBuddies won't crash if GirlFriend is run in background
mode with the sound turned off, but I'm embarrassed to say I can't find the
switch to turn the sound off. I just run them separately and it works ok.
GirlFriend also seems to have a problem co-existing with my Golf program.
GirlFriend often tries to abort Golf with some sort of timing
incompatibility.
I probably should have stayed with GirlFriend 1.0 but I thought I might see
better performance from GirlFriend 2.0. After months of conflicts and other
problems, I consulted a friend who has had experience with GirlFriend 2.0.
He said I probably didn't have enough cache to run GirlFriend 2.0 and
eventually it would require a Token Ring to run properly. He was right - as
soon as I purged my cache, GirlFriend 2.0 un-installed itself.
Shortly after that, I installed GirlFriend 3.0. All the bugs were supposed
to be gone, but the first time I used it, it gave me a virus. I had to
clean out my whole system and shut down for a while.
I very cautiously upgraded to GirlFriend 4.0. This time I used a SCSI probe
first and also installed a virus protection program. It worked ok for a
while until I discovered that GirlFriend 1.0 was still in my system. I
tried running GirlFriend 1.0 again with GirlFriend 4.0 still installed, but
GirlFriend 4.0 has a feature I didn't know about that automatically senses
the presence of any other versions of GirlFriend and communicates with it in
some way, which results in the immediate removal of both versions.
The version I have now works pretty well, but there are still some problems.
Like all versions of GirlFriend, it is written in some obscure language I
can't understand, much less reprogram. Frankly, I think there is too much
attention paid to the look and feel rather than the desired functionality.
Also, to get the best connections with your hardware, you usually have to
use gold-plated contacts. And I never liked how GirlFriend is totally
"object-oriented."
A year ago, a friend of mine upgraded his version of GirlFriend to
GirlFriendPlus 1.0, which is a Permanent and Stay Resident version of
GirlFriend. He discovered that GirlFriendPlus 1.0 expires within a year if
you don't upgrade to Fiancée 1.0. So he did, but soon after that, he had to
upgrade to Wife 1.0, which he describes as a huge resource hog. It has
taken up all his space, so he can't load anything else. On of the primary
reasons he decided to go with Wife 1.0 was because it came bundled with
FreeSexPlus.
Well, it turned out the resource allocation module of Wife 1.0 sometimes
prohibits access to FreeSexPlus, particularly the new Plug-Ins he wanted to
try. On top of that, Wife 1.0 must be running on a well warmed up system
before he can do anything. Although he did not ask for it, Wife 1.0 came
with MotherInLaw which has an annoying automatic pop-up feature he can't
turn off.
He then tried to install Mistress 1.0, but when he ran Mistress 1.0 without
first un-installing Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 deleted all his MS-Money files first
then un-installed itself. Then Mistress 1.0 wouldn't run anyway because of
insufficient resources.
Len
----Original Message-----
From: CoyotEddie@a... <CoyotEddie@a...>
To: SNie22@a... <SNie22@a...>; WBorawski@a... <WBorawski@a...>;
Borawski@x... <Borawski@x...>; Read2unw@a... <Read2unw@a...>;
az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>; jodeb@m...
<jodeb@m...>; Fredette5@J... <Fredette5@J...>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Advice
>>Tech Support Request
>>
<<<<snip>>>>>
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567 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Coves/Rolls clean up
We can just put all the trash the club picks up in the back of my truck and
I'll run it out to the landfill after we finish.
Len
78 J-10
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB <daballard@p...>
To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
<<<<snip>>>>
>We could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
>worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
>
>If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Doug
>
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568 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Help
Hi Neely
Not to try to talk you out of the swap, but does this Wrangler run? What is
wrong with the 4.0 that is making you do the swap? If you want to do it
just to do it that's cool, but if you have a broken 4.0 and a 350 in the
garage and think that it will be a simple swap, you might be better off to
fix the 4.0.
Having said that, what kind of transmission do you have and what is in the
Wrangler now? Your biggest headache and expense will probably be connecting
the transmission to the transfer case. Send me some more info on the Jeep
itself and what components you have and I'll see if I can help.
Len Sullivan
1978 J-10
chevy 350, TH350, NP208, D60, D44
-----Original Message-----
From: PhxAZAngel@a... <PhxAZAngel@a...>
To: Az_vjc@m... <Az_vjc@m...>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:04 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Help
>Hi all, I need some help here.
> I got a 1992 Wrangler 4.0 that my boyfriend and i are going to be
converting
>to a 350. I have an engine and trans, and i have heard about conversion
kits.
>besides that, what else should i be aware of and looking out for. I have
>converted other cars before, but i have never done a 4x4, so it's kinda new
to
>me.... any advice.
> Please help,
>
> -Neely
>
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569 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:21pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
Welcome to the group Tony. Don't be too down on the 4 banger - I'll bet you
get more than 7mpg in town!
Len Sullivan
78 J-10
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 7:02 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] perhaps I should introduce myself
>Hi! My name's Tony and I am a new member of this mailing
>list. I haven't been on any group outings yet, but I hope
>to soon! I have a 94 4 cyl (boat anchor) YJ, desert basic,
>with a 4 inch suspension lift, front end shackle inversion,
>heavy duty lifting shackles, et cetera. I've been up to Crown
>King from Black Canyon Freeway and then out the back way
>through Minnehaha Flats. Now that is a very interesting
>and beautiful trip that dumps you back out on blacktop near
>Kirkland Junction. I've never been on a trail rated above 3, so
>maybe that's why I haven't broken anything yet. =)
>
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570 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 9:45pm
Subject: Fw: Power Line Trail Report -- Long
Here is a forwarded version of the Power Line trail report that I posted to
the Full Size Jeep mailing list after our run on Saturday. Since names will
actually make sense to this group, I went through the original post and
added them, resulting in some funky spacing. I tried to clean it up, but
I'm not sure how it will look after I forward it again.
This report has a bit of a Full Size slant to it, but then again so do I.
:-)
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
To: FSJ list <fsj-list@m...>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 12:16 AM
Subject: Trail Report - Power Line Road - long
Hi all
The Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://members.tripod.com/Yucca_man/azjeep/azjeep.htm had a dual trail
run on Saturday, February 13: two groups of jeeps - two intersecting
trails -meet in the middle kinda thing. One group took the Power Line
trail, which, oddly
enough, follows a power line, and the other group took the Log Corral trail.
Power Line varies from a class two to a low three, Log Corral is a class 4.
The kids and I loaded up the J-10 and joined the group running the Power
Line, looking forward to a day of 'wheeling with the "little jeeps" and also
looking forward to meeting George Andrews, a fellow FSJ-list member. We
live in the same town, subscribe to two of the same email lists, and belong
to the same Jeep club, but we had never met. As far as I know, we have the
only two FSJ's in the club. George went for the hardcore stuff on the Log
Corral run ( Hey George! give us a write up on full size rock crawling!), so
we had to wait until the groups met to find each other.
We met up with the other 4 Jeeps at the trailhead at about 10:20. On this
leg were Dan(Revolvr) and Whiskey the Jeep Dog, Melinda, Dan M and his
sons, and Jim and Storm. Melinda and I had never met, so when we arrived
she thought that I wasn't part of the group because I "didn't
have a Jeep." AAARGH! Dan M was kind enough to point out that it was a
Jeep, just an old, big one. Her reply was "Cool. If it gets too bad I'll
just park
in the back and you can carry me."
We hit the trail after we had all aired down, and I volunteered to play
'tail end charlie' for the group. I like being the last in line, since it
gives me a chance to see how everyone else tackles the obstacles and pick my
best line. The down side is that whenever I do something cool, there's no
one to see it! I also get to close all the gates, but that's no big deal.
The first hour or so of the trail was very scenic and easy. After a short
side trip down a dead end trail ( it looked like the right one to me too ),
we got into
the fun stuff.
The trail changed from reasonably wide and well traveled into narrow and
rocky, then got narrower, rockier, and twistier. We were on switchbacks
going down the
side of the mountain, and the trail was washed out at every turn. The
washouts towards
the top weren't too bad, but they got worse as we went down. I knew I was
in for a
rough time when I saw Dan M's TJ in front of me scrape his rear bumper going
through the first nasty one. My truck sits a few inches higher than his TJ,
but my extra wheelbase had me worried. Dan stopped after he
got through it to make sure that I would make it. I remember seeing his son
looking at me through the rear window and shaking his head, as if he was
saying "He'll never make that." He was almost right.
This run was only the third time I've taken the J-10 out for some serious 4
wheeling, so I'm still learning how to approach different kinds of
obstacles. I've never had to deal with a turn that would require a full
right lock on the steering wheel that also had a 3 foot deep, 4 or 5 foot
wide
section washed out in the middle. The short version is that I hit it wrong.
I started by swinging as wide as I could to the left and trying to get a
straight line into the cut - bad idea. I made the drop off just fine, but
then the front of my frame ( my tube front bumper is still in the backyard,
waiting to get the brackets welded on ) hit the upslope square on and we
came to a very solid and fast stop. Hmmm....now what? I admit it must have
looked pretty funny, with the headlights and grill damn near in the dirt and
the tail of the truck pointing way up in the air, but it didn't seem funny
at the time. I popped it in reverse and goosed it, hoping that I could get
out of the hole. I moved back about a foot, and then had an idea. I
dropped it back into first gear and cut the wheels to the left. This gave
me just enough of an angle to the slope that the front tires bit in and
started to pull me up. Right about then I realized two things: First, I
was now headed TOWARDS the side of the mountain, and Second, I was still in
4 HIGH. Oh well.....when in doubt, punch it. Much to the delight of the
kids watching from the TJ, I came roaring up out of the hole and onto the
side of the mountain, taking a big divit out of the downslope with my
trailer hitch. As soon as I felt the rear bumper come out of the dirt, I
cranked the wheels hard right to get off of the side of the mountain before
I rolled the truck. Dan apparently didn't expect me to come out of the hole
so fast, and had stopped only about 20 feet up the trail. It was great
seeing the look on the kid's face in his back seat change from "no chance"
to "OH SH*T!" After that he left me a little more room. :-)
The turns and washouts got progressively worse as we went lower, but I had
the technique now. I would start the turn late instead of early so that I
could approach the opposite side at an angle, and complete the turn on the
side of the mountain. I also started running them in 4 LOW so that I
wouldn't have to be quite so aggressive with the throttle. I'm glad there
weren't any trees ( well, at least not any big ones ) or boulders next to
any of the washouts. I dragged the rear bumper on EVERY one, so it looks
like a lift of at least 2" is on the shopping list. The rear quarter panels
are getting a little higher each time I take it out ( one rock at a time ),
but I can't raise the bumper without some suspension help. :-) One good
thing about it though: the bumper is now straighter than it was when I hit
the trail. It was bent at about a 45 degree angle at each end, thanks to
the DSPO backing into things. I hooked the passenger side on a really big
rock coming out of one of the washouts and jerked it almost straight again.
It sounded and felt like I had ripped the whole thing off, but the frame
mounts on the trailer hitch saved me.
After one particularly bad washout, I remarked over the CB that if these got
any worse someone would have to carry me through. Dan, the trail leader,
laughingly replied "Wait 'till you see what's next." Wonderful. Coming up
was a washout deeper and narrower than the last one, with a tighter turn,
followed by an off camber section of trail barely wider than my truck with a
drop off of what looked like about 10 miles on the outside. Lovely.
However, before the washout we had to crawl over a rockslide that had buried
the trail. Perfect. The rockslide must have been pretty recent, since
there were several boulders and a small tree in the middle of it, and no
tracks over the top. We all got out and moved the larger boulders and the
tree to the side of the cliff, and rearranged some of the medium sized rocks
to help make steps over the one remaining big one. The rockslide looked
intimidating, but was actually pretty easy. It was loose, and my rear end
hopped around a bit, but it wasn't too bad.
I was worried about the washout after the rockslide. All of the little
Jeeps were bumping their rear bumpers going through it, and the trail on the
other side was at enough of an angle that I could see both mirrors on the
lead Jeep as he went through. I guess that everyone knew that I would
have trouble with it, because they all stopped to watch. I tried the late
turn approach, but this washout was deep enough that even that didn't work.
I ended up nose down in the hole again with my front spring shackles buried
in the opposite bank. Oh well, time to go up the side of the mountain
again. I backed up a bit, turned towards the mountain, and did the "bump,
thump, scrape" thing again. Now I was really off camber on
the side of the mountain, the carb was starting to flood out, and my
daughter was screaming because she thought we were going to roll over. Side
hung floats are great for up and down, but they don't work well on a
sideways slope with the passenger side a couple of feet lower than the
drivers side. I got back on the trail, but it was still tilted to the right
enough that the carb couldn't compensate. I had to pop it into neutral and
bring the RPM's up to 2000 just to keep it running. Dan was walking back to
see if I was OK ( I hit the back end pretty hard coming out ), but I waved
him back and started yelling over the CB that I had to get off of the slope
before my truck died. We all got rolling and I chugged along in a cloud of
black smoke until we got to a level spot.
There were a few more washouts after that, but none were as bad. I was
still scraping the rear bumper, but I made it through without any real
trouble. I only had one more difficult spot to get through before we met up
with the rest of the group, but it involved a different kind of clearance.
Two trees had grown or fallen together over the trail, in a turn of course,
that were barely higher than my camper shell. I cleared them, but only by
about half an inch.
A few bumps and turns later we met up with the rest of the group in a large
wash. These were the hardcore guys who had taken the class 4 route, and
right in the middle of them was a big, badass brown and red Cherokee. I was
the last of the group to arrive, so by the time I had the kids unloaded
everyone was milling around in a big crowd. I was trying to figure out how
to find George, when one of them walked right up to me and said "You must be
Len." Nice to have met you George.
The group spent about half an hour getting to know each other and admiring
all the rigs. Let me tell you: George's truck is STOUT! 35 inch tires,
tons of
lift, Mad Max bumper, custom nerf bars, winch, lights, roof rack, big block
Chevrolet -- it's sweet. And Barney. Can't forget Barney. He has a
stuffed Barney hanging from the trailer hitch with a chain around his neck.
If you've got kids, you'd love it. Melinda looked at George's rig and said
"My God! That's huge!" George just smiled and said thank you.
We had quite a group on the way out - twelve Jeeps, I think. Every once in
a while we'd see pieces of Barney stuffing in the road where George had
found a dip. George didn't have any trouble with the low hanging trees; he
just drove through and broke them off. Made it very easy for me. :-)
The off camber part of the trail wasn't nearly as bad going the other way,
since the carb was tilted in the other direction. I was still dragging the
rear bumper through the washouts, but someone had thoughfully removed
several inches of soil from them earlier in the day so getting out of them
was a little easier. Even the big one went easily - I guess experience
with how to deal with an obstacle is more important than any doo-dad you can
put on the truck.
We had to stop twice on the way out for trail repairs. The first was when
George's fuel pump fuse blew going up a hill. He's a quick troubleshooter
and had it going again in just a few minutes. The second stop took a little
longer. One of the CJ-5's had a fuel pump failure. The driver ( I'm sorry!
I forgot your name!) had the foresight to carry a spare, and had it swapped
out in
about 20 minutes. After that, we were back on the easy part of the trail.
When we got back to the pavement, we all aired up, said our goodbyes, and
went our separate ways. Six of us went to Denny's to eat and talk Jeeps and
trails - a good way to end a fun day.
Other than straightening out my rear bumper and lots of scrapes on the
trailer hitch, the only damage from the trip was to my left rear tire. It
has a cut about
4 inches long, all the way to the cords in the sidewall. Hello Discount
Tire! Remember
that road hazard warranty you sold me? Time to pay up!
The only bad part of the trip came while we were airing up when my daughter
shut the truck door on her thumb. She was screaming
like only a hurt 7 year old can, so after I made sure that nothing was
broken I tried the "hurt child" test: I handed her the wrong soda. She
passed. As soon as she realized that she had her brother's soda instead of
hers, she stopped her screaming and said in a perfectly normal voice "That's
Nathan's soda Daddy. Mine is over there." Of course as soon as she
remembered that her thumb hurt she started screaming again. After a couple
of hugs and having Daddy kiss it to make it better we were on our way.
She's fine. Her thumb was on the rubber door seal, so it was just pinched.
It's not even bruised.
Another good day 'wheelin.
Len Sullivan
1978 J-10 "The Plow"
Phoenix, AZ
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571 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@r...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 1:50am
Subject: Trail clean up.....
Count me and the wife in on the trail clean up.... once we get there....
Troy & Shannon
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572 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 11:10pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Power Line Trail Report
The write-up sounds great, Len. Look for the write-up in a few days on
the webpage. If anyone has pics from any of the runs they want to share,
post a notice here and I'll get in touch with you. I've left the page
alone for way too long, and want to get it up to speed again.
Jim
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:45:14 -0700 "Len Sullivan" <kermit@f...>
writes:
>Here is a forwarded version of the Power Line trail report that I
>posted to
>the Full Size Jeep mailing list after our run on Saturday. Since
>names will
>actually make sense to this group, I went through the original post
>and
>added them, resulting in some funky spacing. I tried to clean it up,
>but
>I'm not sure how it will look after I forward it again.
>
>This report has a bit of a Full Size slant to it, but then again so do
>I.
>:-)
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573 From: David Ross <davyd@i...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 0:46pm
Subject: Re: Info
The logging trail dumps you about a mile from the town....we did it in one
day running hard with 5 rails, 2 jeeps (the one i own now and a cherokee) and
a ton of "outrunners" a mix of motorcycles, quads and three wheelers. I
wouldn't mind doing it again....just gotta get mine off roadable again, But I
can still give directions and stuff....if you want them give me a line or an
ICQ
DougB wrote:
> David Ross wrote:
> >
> > The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
> > Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
> > lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
> > an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
> > goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
> > fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
> > my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
> > there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
> >
>
> Sounds like a good candidate for a summer overnight trip. Where does it
> come out at Mormon Lake? I've done some trails around there, and may
> have been on part of it.
>
> Doug
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574 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 7:24am
Subject: Re: Coves/Rolls clean up
Count me in, as long as I'm available I'll be there.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:19 PM
To: az_vjc@m...
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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559 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 4:46pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
>I'm also planning on doing the fire road up the north side
>of Mount Lemmon and then down into Tucson to visit friends.
>If anyone here has done that, any tips/pointers would be
>appreciated.
I have done the back road up Mt. Lemmon several times, in fact a few of us
just did it again this past weekend. It is a pretty easy way up. A stock
Jeep has no trouble making it up. There is also a hill climb to play on
about halfway up, you will see it to your right as you make your way up the
road.
I do not have any pictures posted from this past weekend's trip yet, but
there are some posted from awhile back at my web site. Just follow the link
on the home page for Mt. Lemmon. http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
Later,
Jeffrey
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560 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 11:42am
Subject: Good Advice
>Tech Support Request
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561 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 5:19pm
Subject: Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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562 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 1:54pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
In a message dated 2/16/99 7:02:19 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
edelsys@s... writes:
> Hi! My name's Tony and I am a new member of this mailing
> list.
Welcome Tony! You're in good company with the people in this group. I've met
several (probably only about 1/3 of the entire group), and everyone has been
helpful, friendly and willing to guide the less experienced (i.e. me). Hope
to see you on the trail soon.
Dan McFarlane
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563 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 2:04pm
Subject: Fwd: Coves/Rolls clean up
In a message dated 2/16/99 6:20:46 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
daballard@prodigy.net writes:
> The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
> newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
> Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
> the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
> close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
>
> This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
> fun wheelin besides.
>
> Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
> could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
> person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
> could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
> worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
>
> If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Doug
>
I'm interested, but won't be free for about 3 weeks. If my schedule allows
I'd be happy to help (and play <G>).
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 18:19:08 -0700
From: DougB daballard@p...
Organization: Prodigy Internet
To: az_vjc@m...
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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564 From: David Ross <davyd@i...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:37pm
Subject: Info
The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
If anyone needs the "military" 5 gal gas cans I know of a place you can
get them cheap...and they are relatively new Luke AFB's DRMO it's on
Glendale about a mile from the base proper. Last time I was there you
could still get a jeep willy for $500.
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565 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Info
David Ross wrote:
>
> The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
> Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
> lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
> an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
> goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
> fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
> my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
> there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
>
Sounds like a good candidate for a summer overnight trip. Where does it
come out at Mormon Lake? I've done some trails around there, and may
have been on part of it.
Doug
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566 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 7:26pm
Subject: Re: Good Advice
I love it......here's the version I have:
A friend of mine has some application conflicts and asked for some help.....
I'm currently running the latest version of GirlFriend and I've been having
some problems lately. I've also been running the same version of Drinking
Buddies 1.0 forever as my primary application and all the GirlFriend
releases I've tried have always conflicted with it.
I hear that DrinkingBuddies won't crash if GirlFriend is run in background
mode with the sound turned off, but I'm embarrassed to say I can't find the
switch to turn the sound off. I just run them separately and it works ok.
GirlFriend also seems to have a problem co-existing with my Golf program.
GirlFriend often tries to abort Golf with some sort of timing
incompatibility.
I probably should have stayed with GirlFriend 1.0 but I thought I might see
better performance from GirlFriend 2.0. After months of conflicts and other
problems, I consulted a friend who has had experience with GirlFriend 2.0.
He said I probably didn't have enough cache to run GirlFriend 2.0 and
eventually it would require a Token Ring to run properly. He was right - as
soon as I purged my cache, GirlFriend 2.0 un-installed itself.
Shortly after that, I installed GirlFriend 3.0. All the bugs were supposed
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clean out my whole system and shut down for a while.
I very cautiously upgraded to GirlFriend 4.0. This time I used a SCSI probe
first and also installed a virus protection program. It worked ok for a
while until I discovered that GirlFriend 1.0 was still in my system. I
tried running GirlFriend 1.0 again with GirlFriend 4.0 still installed, but
GirlFriend 4.0 has a feature I didn't know about that automatically senses
the presence of any other versions of GirlFriend and communicates with it in
some way, which results in the immediate removal of both versions.
The version I have now works pretty well, but there are still some problems.
Like all versions of GirlFriend, it is written in some obscure language I
can't understand, much less reprogram. Frankly, I think there is too much
attention paid to the look and feel rather than the desired functionality.
Also, to get the best connections with your hardware, you usually have to
use gold-plated contacts. And I never liked how GirlFriend is totally
"object-oriented."
A year ago, a friend of mine upgraded his version of GirlFriend to
GirlFriendPlus 1.0, which is a Permanent and Stay Resident version of
GirlFriend. He discovered that GirlFriendPlus 1.0 expires within a year if
you don't upgrade to Fiancée 1.0. So he did, but soon after that, he had to
upgrade to Wife 1.0, which he describes as a huge resource hog. It has
taken up all his space, so he can't load anything else. On of the primary
reasons he decided to go with Wife 1.0 was because it came bundled with
FreeSexPlus.
Well, it turned out the resource allocation module of Wife 1.0 sometimes
prohibits access to FreeSexPlus, particularly the new Plug-Ins he wanted to
try. On top of that, Wife 1.0 must be running on a well warmed up system
before he can do anything. Although he did not ask for it, Wife 1.0 came
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turn off.
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first un-installing Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 deleted all his MS-Money files first
then un-installed itself. Then Mistress 1.0 wouldn't run anyway because of
insufficient resources.
Len
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To: SNie22@a... <SNie22@a...>; WBorawski@a... <WBorawski@a...>;
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Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Good Advice
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567 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Coves/Rolls clean up
We can just put all the trash the club picks up in the back of my truck and
I'll run it out to the landfill after we finish.
Len
78 J-10
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From: DougB <daballard@p...>
To: az_vjc@m... <az_vjc@m...>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
<<<<snip>>>>
>We could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
>worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
>
>If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Doug
>
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568 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:15pm
Subject: Re: Help
Hi Neely
Not to try to talk you out of the swap, but does this Wrangler run? What is
wrong with the 4.0 that is making you do the swap? If you want to do it
just to do it that's cool, but if you have a broken 4.0 and a 350 in the
garage and think that it will be a simple swap, you might be better off to
fix the 4.0.
Having said that, what kind of transmission do you have and what is in the
Wrangler now? Your biggest headache and expense will probably be connecting
the transmission to the transfer case. Send me some more info on the Jeep
itself and what components you have and I'll see if I can help.
Len Sullivan
1978 J-10
chevy 350, TH350, NP208, D60, D44
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From: PhxAZAngel@a... <PhxAZAngel@a...>
To: Az_vjc@m... <Az_vjc@m...>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:04 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Help
>Hi all, I need some help here.
> I got a 1992 Wrangler 4.0 that my boyfriend and i are going to be
converting
>to a 350. I have an engine and trans, and i have heard about conversion
kits.
>besides that, what else should i be aware of and looking out for. I have
>converted other cars before, but i have never done a 4x4, so it's kinda new
to
>me.... any advice.
> Please help,
>
> -Neely
>
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569 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 8:21pm
Subject: Re: perhaps I should introduce myself
Welcome to the group Tony. Don't be too down on the 4 banger - I'll bet you
get more than 7mpg in town!
Len Sullivan
78 J-10
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From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
To: az_vjc@egroups.com <az_vjc@egroups.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 7:02 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] perhaps I should introduce myself
>Hi! My name's Tony and I am a new member of this mailing
>list. I haven't been on any group outings yet, but I hope
>to soon! I have a 94 4 cyl (boat anchor) YJ, desert basic,
>with a 4 inch suspension lift, front end shackle inversion,
>heavy duty lifting shackles, et cetera. I've been up to Crown
>King from Black Canyon Freeway and then out the back way
>through Minnehaha Flats. Now that is a very interesting
>and beautiful trip that dumps you back out on blacktop near
>Kirkland Junction. I've never been on a trail rated above 3, so
>maybe that's why I haven't broken anything yet. =)
>
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570 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 9:45pm
Subject: Fw: Power Line Trail Report -- Long
Here is a forwarded version of the Power Line trail report that I posted to
the Full Size Jeep mailing list after our run on Saturday. Since names will
actually make sense to this group, I went through the original post and
added them, resulting in some funky spacing. I tried to clean it up, but
I'm not sure how it will look after I forward it again.
This report has a bit of a Full Size slant to it, but then again so do I.
:-)
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Len Sullivan <kermit@f...>
To: FSJ list <fsj-list@m...>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 12:16 AM
Subject: Trail Report - Power Line Road - long
Hi all
The Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
http://members.tripod.com/Yucca_man/azjeep/azjeep.htm had a dual trail
run on Saturday, February 13: two groups of jeeps - two intersecting
trails -meet in the middle kinda thing. One group took the Power Line
trail, which, oddly
enough, follows a power line, and the other group took the Log Corral trail.
Power Line varies from a class two to a low three, Log Corral is a class 4.
The kids and I loaded up the J-10 and joined the group running the Power
Line, looking forward to a day of 'wheeling with the "little jeeps" and also
looking forward to meeting George Andrews, a fellow FSJ-list member. We
live in the same town, subscribe to two of the same email lists, and belong
to the same Jeep club, but we had never met. As far as I know, we have the
only two FSJ's in the club. George went for the hardcore stuff on the Log
Corral run ( Hey George! give us a write up on full size rock crawling!), so
we had to wait until the groups met to find each other.
We met up with the other 4 Jeeps at the trailhead at about 10:20. On this
leg were Dan(Revolvr) and Whiskey the Jeep Dog, Melinda, Dan M and his
sons, and Jim and Storm. Melinda and I had never met, so when we arrived
she thought that I wasn't part of the group because I "didn't
have a Jeep." AAARGH! Dan M was kind enough to point out that it was a
Jeep, just an old, big one. Her reply was "Cool. If it gets too bad I'll
just park
in the back and you can carry me."
We hit the trail after we had all aired down, and I volunteered to play
'tail end charlie' for the group. I like being the last in line, since it
gives me a chance to see how everyone else tackles the obstacles and pick my
best line. The down side is that whenever I do something cool, there's no
one to see it! I also get to close all the gates, but that's no big deal.
The first hour or so of the trail was very scenic and easy. After a short
side trip down a dead end trail ( it looked like the right one to me too ),
we got into
the fun stuff.
The trail changed from reasonably wide and well traveled into narrow and
rocky, then got narrower, rockier, and twistier. We were on switchbacks
going down the
side of the mountain, and the trail was washed out at every turn. The
washouts towards
the top weren't too bad, but they got worse as we went down. I knew I was
in for a
rough time when I saw Dan M's TJ in front of me scrape his rear bumper going
through the first nasty one. My truck sits a few inches higher than his TJ,
but my extra wheelbase had me worried. Dan stopped after he
got through it to make sure that I would make it. I remember seeing his son
looking at me through the rear window and shaking his head, as if he was
saying "He'll never make that." He was almost right.
This run was only the third time I've taken the J-10 out for some serious 4
wheeling, so I'm still learning how to approach different kinds of
obstacles. I've never had to deal with a turn that would require a full
right lock on the steering wheel that also had a 3 foot deep, 4 or 5 foot
wide
section washed out in the middle. The short version is that I hit it wrong.
I started by swinging as wide as I could to the left and trying to get a
straight line into the cut - bad idea. I made the drop off just fine, but
then the front of my frame ( my tube front bumper is still in the backyard,
waiting to get the brackets welded on ) hit the upslope square on and we
came to a very solid and fast stop. Hmmm....now what? I admit it must have
looked pretty funny, with the headlights and grill damn near in the dirt and
the tail of the truck pointing way up in the air, but it didn't seem funny
at the time. I popped it in reverse and goosed it, hoping that I could get
out of the hole. I moved back about a foot, and then had an idea. I
dropped it back into first gear and cut the wheels to the left. This gave
me just enough of an angle to the slope that the front tires bit in and
started to pull me up. Right about then I realized two things: First, I
was now headed TOWARDS the side of the mountain, and Second, I was still in
4 HIGH. Oh well.....when in doubt, punch it. Much to the delight of the
kids watching from the TJ, I came roaring up out of the hole and onto the
side of the mountain, taking a big divit out of the downslope with my
trailer hitch. As soon as I felt the rear bumper come out of the dirt, I
cranked the wheels hard right to get off of the side of the mountain before
I rolled the truck. Dan apparently didn't expect me to come out of the hole
so fast, and had stopped only about 20 feet up the trail. It was great
seeing the look on the kid's face in his back seat change from "no chance"
to "OH SH*T!" After that he left me a little more room. :-)
The turns and washouts got progressively worse as we went lower, but I had
the technique now. I would start the turn late instead of early so that I
could approach the opposite side at an angle, and complete the turn on the
side of the mountain. I also started running them in 4 LOW so that I
wouldn't have to be quite so aggressive with the throttle. I'm glad there
weren't any trees ( well, at least not any big ones ) or boulders next to
any of the washouts. I dragged the rear bumper on EVERY one, so it looks
like a lift of at least 2" is on the shopping list. The rear quarter panels
are getting a little higher each time I take it out ( one rock at a time ),
but I can't raise the bumper without some suspension help. :-) One good
thing about it though: the bumper is now straighter than it was when I hit
the trail. It was bent at about a 45 degree angle at each end, thanks to
the DSPO backing into things. I hooked the passenger side on a really big
rock coming out of one of the washouts and jerked it almost straight again.
It sounded and felt like I had ripped the whole thing off, but the frame
mounts on the trailer hitch saved me.
After one particularly bad washout, I remarked over the CB that if these got
any worse someone would have to carry me through. Dan, the trail leader,
laughingly replied "Wait 'till you see what's next." Wonderful. Coming up
was a washout deeper and narrower than the last one, with a tighter turn,
followed by an off camber section of trail barely wider than my truck with a
drop off of what looked like about 10 miles on the outside. Lovely.
However, before the washout we had to crawl over a rockslide that had buried
the trail. Perfect. The rockslide must have been pretty recent, since
there were several boulders and a small tree in the middle of it, and no
tracks over the top. We all got out and moved the larger boulders and the
tree to the side of the cliff, and rearranged some of the medium sized rocks
to help make steps over the one remaining big one. The rockslide looked
intimidating, but was actually pretty easy. It was loose, and my rear end
hopped around a bit, but it wasn't too bad.
I was worried about the washout after the rockslide. All of the little
Jeeps were bumping their rear bumpers going through it, and the trail on the
other side was at enough of an angle that I could see both mirrors on the
lead Jeep as he went through. I guess that everyone knew that I would
have trouble with it, because they all stopped to watch. I tried the late
turn approach, but this washout was deep enough that even that didn't work.
I ended up nose down in the hole again with my front spring shackles buried
in the opposite bank. Oh well, time to go up the side of the mountain
again. I backed up a bit, turned towards the mountain, and did the "bump,
thump, scrape" thing again. Now I was really off camber on
the side of the mountain, the carb was starting to flood out, and my
daughter was screaming because she thought we were going to roll over. Side
hung floats are great for up and down, but they don't work well on a
sideways slope with the passenger side a couple of feet lower than the
drivers side. I got back on the trail, but it was still tilted to the right
enough that the carb couldn't compensate. I had to pop it into neutral and
bring the RPM's up to 2000 just to keep it running. Dan was walking back to
see if I was OK ( I hit the back end pretty hard coming out ), but I waved
him back and started yelling over the CB that I had to get off of the slope
before my truck died. We all got rolling and I chugged along in a cloud of
black smoke until we got to a level spot.
There were a few more washouts after that, but none were as bad. I was
still scraping the rear bumper, but I made it through without any real
trouble. I only had one more difficult spot to get through before we met up
with the rest of the group, but it involved a different kind of clearance.
Two trees had grown or fallen together over the trail, in a turn of course,
that were barely higher than my camper shell. I cleared them, but only by
about half an inch.
A few bumps and turns later we met up with the rest of the group in a large
wash. These were the hardcore guys who had taken the class 4 route, and
right in the middle of them was a big, badass brown and red Cherokee. I was
the last of the group to arrive, so by the time I had the kids unloaded
everyone was milling around in a big crowd. I was trying to figure out how
to find George, when one of them walked right up to me and said "You must be
Len." Nice to have met you George.
The group spent about half an hour getting to know each other and admiring
all the rigs. Let me tell you: George's truck is STOUT! 35 inch tires,
tons of
lift, Mad Max bumper, custom nerf bars, winch, lights, roof rack, big block
Chevrolet -- it's sweet. And Barney. Can't forget Barney. He has a
stuffed Barney hanging from the trailer hitch with a chain around his neck.
If you've got kids, you'd love it. Melinda looked at George's rig and said
"My God! That's huge!" George just smiled and said thank you.
We had quite a group on the way out - twelve Jeeps, I think. Every once in
a while we'd see pieces of Barney stuffing in the road where George had
found a dip. George didn't have any trouble with the low hanging trees; he
just drove through and broke them off. Made it very easy for me. :-)
The off camber part of the trail wasn't nearly as bad going the other way,
since the carb was tilted in the other direction. I was still dragging the
rear bumper through the washouts, but someone had thoughfully removed
several inches of soil from them earlier in the day so getting out of them
was a little easier. Even the big one went easily - I guess experience
with how to deal with an obstacle is more important than any doo-dad you can
put on the truck.
We had to stop twice on the way out for trail repairs. The first was when
George's fuel pump fuse blew going up a hill. He's a quick troubleshooter
and had it going again in just a few minutes. The second stop took a little
longer. One of the CJ-5's had a fuel pump failure. The driver ( I'm sorry!
I forgot your name!) had the foresight to carry a spare, and had it swapped
out in
about 20 minutes. After that, we were back on the easy part of the trail.
When we got back to the pavement, we all aired up, said our goodbyes, and
went our separate ways. Six of us went to Denny's to eat and talk Jeeps and
trails - a good way to end a fun day.
Other than straightening out my rear bumper and lots of scrapes on the
trailer hitch, the only damage from the trip was to my left rear tire. It
has a cut about
4 inches long, all the way to the cords in the sidewall. Hello Discount
Tire! Remember
that road hazard warranty you sold me? Time to pay up!
The only bad part of the trip came while we were airing up when my daughter
shut the truck door on her thumb. She was screaming
like only a hurt 7 year old can, so after I made sure that nothing was
broken I tried the "hurt child" test: I handed her the wrong soda. She
passed. As soon as she realized that she had her brother's soda instead of
hers, she stopped her screaming and said in a perfectly normal voice "That's
Nathan's soda Daddy. Mine is over there." Of course as soon as she
remembered that her thumb hurt she started screaming again. After a couple
of hugs and having Daddy kiss it to make it better we were on our way.
She's fine. Her thumb was on the rubber door seal, so it was just pinched.
It's not even bruised.
Another good day 'wheelin.
Len Sullivan
1978 J-10 "The Plow"
Phoenix, AZ
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571 From: Troy & Shannon Franks <tsfranks@r...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 1:50am
Subject: Trail clean up.....
Count me and the wife in on the trail clean up.... once we get there....
Troy & Shannon
69 Wagoneer
88 Cherokee XJ
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572 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Tue Feb 16, 1999 11:10pm
Subject: Re: Fw: Power Line Trail Report
The write-up sounds great, Len. Look for the write-up in a few days on
the webpage. If anyone has pics from any of the runs they want to share,
post a notice here and I'll get in touch with you. I've left the page
alone for way too long, and want to get it up to speed again.
Jim
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:45:14 -0700 "Len Sullivan" <kermit@f...>
writes:
>Here is a forwarded version of the Power Line trail report that I
>posted to
>the Full Size Jeep mailing list after our run on Saturday. Since
>names will
>actually make sense to this group, I went through the original post
>and
>added them, resulting in some funky spacing. I tried to clean it up,
>but
>I'm not sure how it will look after I forward it again.
>
>This report has a bit of a Full Size slant to it, but then again so do
>I.
>:-)
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573 From: David Ross <davyd@i...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 0:46pm
Subject: Re: Info
The logging trail dumps you about a mile from the town....we did it in one
day running hard with 5 rails, 2 jeeps (the one i own now and a cherokee) and
a ton of "outrunners" a mix of motorcycles, quads and three wheelers. I
wouldn't mind doing it again....just gotta get mine off roadable again, But I
can still give directions and stuff....if you want them give me a line or an
ICQ
DougB wrote:
> David Ross wrote:
> >
> > The best run I ever made was from Flagstaff to Mormon Lake via Indian
> > Maiden fire lookout....easy trip...bit hairy going up the hill to the
> > lookout...shear cliffs both sides, switchbacks 50% of the way. We lost
> > an ATC on the way up the person dived to safety but the ATC was a
> > goner. Besides that there are no real interesting off roading...some
> > fording, steep hills, and large rocks nothing that a sand rail, atc, or
> > my old jeep couldn't make. I have all the maps of the back roads up
> > there...mostly fire/logging roads but it makes for some nice trips.
> >
>
> Sounds like a good candidate for a summer overnight trip. Where does it
> come out at Mormon Lake? I've done some trails around there, and may
> have been on part of it.
>
> Doug
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574 From: Eric D. Herring <EDH@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 17, 1999 7:24am
Subject: Re: Coves/Rolls clean up
Count me in, as long as I'm available I'll be there.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: DougB [mailto:daballard@p...]
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:19 PM
To: az_vjc@m...
Subject: [az_vjc] Coves/Rolls clean up
The Arizona Assn of 4 Wheel Drive Clubs (ASA4WDC), in their recent
newsletter, spoke of the need to clean certain trails, and the
Coves/Rolls area was one listed. This kind of effort is very helpful in
the arguement to keep trails open for off road fun. Some groups seek to
close some trails because of trash and litter, and off road damage.
This could be a good project for AzVJC to take on...and it'd be alot of
fun wheelin besides.
Thought I'd shoot a note out to see if there is interest. The event
could be as simple as showing up for a day of four-wheeling, and each
person bringing some trash bags, and stopping to clean up as needed. We
could coordinate w/ the State to collect the bags we bring out...or at
worst, we'd each be responsible for disposing of the bags ourselves.
If there is interest, I could get w/ ASA4WDC and coordinate something.
Just a thought.
Doug
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