Emergency Contact for Wheeling Assistance.

[AZLugz]

I brought an idea to k7mto and he suggested I bring it to the site and see what the general populace thinks. I am willing and capable of making and maintaining the "list" if it is decided as a go.

I had my trailer hooked up all weekend but did not get on the net till late monday night to find the situation for Amber and Ben (BTW, glad all was ok), and it started me thinking. I had some of the things needed available and sitting ready but I didn't know they were needed, if I had, I could have been there fairly quick.

My suggestion is that we start a (voluntary) list of people willing to come out and help in an emergency and with the list, have their general capabilities, contact info and where they are located. For example, I have a big flatbed trailer that is soon to have a winch, a 4x4 Jeep Commander to tow it and carry out up to 6 other people, a Jeep LJ with winch, 4x4 quads with trailer to make it down hills with cleanup supplies and camera gear to document the "fun". Also, I work normal work days. If this info was on a list and there was a roll that required cleanup in an area not accessible by Jeep but could be by quad, they could call and I could haul my junk out there and there and help out. My idea was to be able to get a group together quick for action, get them out there to minimize damage and secure things and to have others available to post it on the site and get more assistance as needed, kind of a rescue chain.


Anyway, this is just the preliminary thinkings so there is a lot of room for change and I would like input, if people don't like it, i can drop it, if it is liked, i am open to suggestions and am willing to put the information together and keep refining it as necessary. k7mto's idea also was post it on the site so people could have it available, or have several key people have it with their phone numbers available so people can contact them to get things started.


What do ya'll think?

[HiJinx]

I think a constantly updated list of conatacts, phone numbers, hardware/capabilties and locations would be a great asset. Print that list out once a month or so to keep in the rig. Great peace of mind knowing that there is always someone to call.

[amber.hodge]

that is awesome...if you can print it out...that would be great...we were lucky enough to have some numbers and Matt had given me his cell in a pm before we left saying if anything happened to call him....how foreboding that was in hindsite!

[offroadaz]

Yep I think its a good idea too, would be nice to have

maybe we could email it to those requesting it that way they can print it out at home rather then messing with mailing or handing it out

[HiJinx]

Why not just have the contact list stickied here so anyone in the club could print it to keep in their rigs?

[k7mto]

Why not just have the contact list stickied here so anyone in the club could print it to keep in their rigs?

Agreed - maybe in a comma delimited format for easy import into Excel or other spreadsheet.

A pre-existing list with contact info would have sped up our response time in reaching Amber and Ben yesterday.

[k7mto]

Why not just have the contact list stickied here so anyone in the club could print it to keep in their rigs?

oops - double post

[k7mto]

Why not just have the contact list stickied here so anyone in the club could print it to keep in their rigs?

oops - double post

[Hardline]

Why not just have the contact list stickied here so anyone in the club could print it to keep in their rigs?

This is an open forum and everybody who has internet access can read our posts - the concern is people of evil intent being able to access that type of information: addresses, phone numbers, vehicles, tools, guns, equipment, family members, etc.

It is absurd to consider that armed with this information a thief could call up posing as a member in distress, wait/watch for you to leave, and then rob you?

Something to think about.

[1BLKJP]

I think it's a great idea, we've always had a great network of people that have helped out in a variety of ways over the years. However for the newer people in the group who don't have a phone book built up yet it can be challenging and quite nerve racking were something to have to them or their group as was the case yesterday.

I wouldn't have a problem with this, but the only thing I might think of would be that some people might not want their phone numbers published on a public internet site.

However I'm in to help with whatever you all decide on with a contact list.

[jbjarko]

Trying to alleviate the threat of "bad intentions", we could post it in the sponsor thread. Wouldn't entirely prevent it from being abused, but would be a good start.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

We could post this info in the members thread..less likey to get into the wrong Hands?

Jason

[Wind_Danzer]

I like the idea and maybe post the names in the sponsers section of the forum.

[1BLKJP]

I agree that posting the info in the Sponsor's section might be a little more private, but unless we talk about it people that aren't sponsors don't even know that section exists. Kind of defeat the purpose of having the list if not everyone has access to it.

Hey Matt, we could just get you another pager to wear around with you on the weekends. :D :D :D

[jbjarko]

Keep it in the sponsors thread, but post a sticky in General that there is such a list. If you would like the list, PM a moderator and it will be sent to you.

[k7mto]

Hey Matt, we could just get you another pager to wear around with you on the weekends. :D :D :D

No thanks :)

We might have found another sucker...er...volunteer to add to our rotation meaning I'd only have to be on-call every 4th week vs the current 3 week ROTA, which means more free wheelin' weekends for me! :D

[AZLugz]

WOW, this took off quick!!!! Thanks all for the quick response.

I do a lot in Excel and will get started on this but will not post any info till it is decided if we will post or email. If emailing is the desired route, I can do that also. Anyone that wants to be added to the list can email me at:
AZLugz@yahoo.com.

Now, what exactly doi we want on the list. So foar I have a spreadsheet in work, the first page has:
Location - city or east/west side
Name
Signon name (what we know you by)
Contact number
Email addy

2nd page is details and equipment. I seperated so the phone list could be printed seperate for the rig.
4x4 - your rig and very basic specs (mine - 2006 LJ, lifted, 33's)
Winch (y/n)
Locked? (f/r)
Tow rig - basic details if applicable
Trailer (y/n)
Trailer Winch (y/n)
Other equipment - like the quads, quad trailers, on-board welder, generator, lighting...anything that might help

......

Thats as far as I have gotten so far but I have more but need other ideas.

[1BLKJP]

Your list looks pretty complete based on specs needed for trail rescue/cleanups. I'll shoot you an email shortly with my info on it.

This is also a good reason for everyone to start carrying pig pads and peat sorb either in your trail rig or at the least your tow rig. All of the local 4x4 shops have it and will generally give it out for free or discounted pricing as long as it's going to good use.

Hey Matt, good deal on being able to get out more. :D

[Tirith]

I would certainly put my name/number on the list. As I was reading the "Amber" thread, I was thinking that we could sure use a contact list like this. I am always willing to help out a fellow Jeeper, but I rarely check the website on weekends, so I do not know when trouble occurs.

Plus, I would like to have a list of numbers to call when I get in trouble. Because it will happen to me someday. :D In my opinion, that is what this club is all about. All the family bickering aside, I have yet to see a case where we have not "pulled together" when needed. Very encouraging.

As for the security of the list itself... I have no problem listing my phone number and screen name, but I will not list my address and full name. And I think I would rather have it listed in the Sponsor's Forum, with the understanding that if you want acccess to such a list, you will have to show some good will and committment to the group to get it. Otherwise, you will have to live with just posting up to General Discussion to get help. As Amber and Ben just proved, that still works too... just be prepared to wait a bit longer for help to arrive. :)

[AZLugz]

Your list looks pretty complete based on specs needed for trail rescue/cleanups. I'll shoot you an email shortly with my info on it.

This is also a good reason for everyone to start carrying pig pads and peat sorb either in your trail rig or at the least your tow rig. All of the local 4x4 shops have it and will generally give it out for free or discounted pricing as long as it's going to good use.

Hey Matt, good deal on being able to get out more. :D


I need to get some of the pads and the peat sorb as I and a friend host quite a few runs for lesser equipped vehicles of wheelers in training, and that is one area that my available equipment is seriously lacking.....who on the east side has some this stuff available to get and how much is it

[k7mto]

OK, it just occurred to me...

Once the list is created/dispersed and put into production, we will have our very own VJC "Amber Alert" procedure :D :D

[offroadaz]

maybe add medical or EMT training to that list too?

Some cases we can respond and get out to a remote area alot faster then the local fire department can

also I know alot of people on here have HAM license and radios in their jeeps. That could be usefull too

[azcharlie]

I wouldn't mind giving out my Phone number. I'm very close to FJ so if anyone needed help it wouldn't take me very long to get there.

[HiJinx]

Good point about the privacy issue. How about one of us just maintain the list and who ever would like it can request it via the forum/IM. The 'owner' of the list can then distribute it to known/trusted members. That should all but completely alleviate any privacy issues outside the club.

[AZLugz]

OK, it just occurred to me...

Once the list is created/dispersed and put into production, we will have our very own VJC "Amber Alert" procedure :D :D


That was kinda the thing I was looking for

[AZLugz]

maybe add medical or EMT training to that list too?

Some cases we can respond and get out to a remote area alot faster then the local fire department can

also I know alot of people on here have HAM license and radios in their jeeps. That could be usefull too

Very good Idea!!!! I will add that to the list

[AZLugz]

I can maintain the list and only have the info that people want released. I can also have a 3rd page that only lists screen name and a phone number that can be sent to the "general masses" or posted, and then the more detailed can be a little more restricted access.

As for full names, that is not necessary but can be there if you want it. No addresses tho, don't see that as being necessary, just the area you are in.




As for your info, you can PM me here or email it to me at AZLugz@ yahoo.com And keep posting ideas for info to include

[dragon51]

That sounds like a heck of and idea I know I helped out a number of people in my are a of Tucson as well as Georgia has too, it's just part of wheeling cause stuff breaks! What last year there was 3 different people 3 days in row that posted up that they had broken there D35 and the response of this sight was out standing!

So having a list of people willing to help out is a outstanding thing. So put me down for Tucson area although I am deploying for the next 4 months or so in the next few weeks.

[sms1688]

I think this is awesome. I am very new to wheeling in AZ. So it would be nice to have a list of contacts to help out if needed. I personally am always willing to help out in a bad situation. I just happen to be at work yesterday for Ambers issues. I think the list looks very good. As for security name phone and area shouldnt effect your security. You might want add when these people are available for recovery like there days off work or what not.

[k7mto]

That was kinda the thing I was looking for

Amber Alert as in amber.hodge :D

[Allen]

I need to get some of the pads and the peat sorb as I and a friend host quite a few runs for lesser equipped vehicles of wheelers in training, and that is one area that my available equipment is seriously lacking.....who on the east side has some this stuff available to get and how much is it


WalMart carries OilZap pads for $ .79 and OilDry 25lb. bag for $ 3.79

I made 3 8lb bags with 2 OilZap pads in each bag. 1 is in the jeep. 2 are in the garage!

Plenty for 3 spills!

[DrewDog]

Amber Alert as in amber.hodge :D
That's just wrong but very funny!..............D

[Allen]

Add me to the list too! I live right here next to AZCharlie and could make a good addition to the FJ rescue team!

[jporvaz]

This was brought up in an earlier thread- but security needs to be an issue. Some folks in certain occupations go to a lot of trouble of having their personal information hidden from public view (redacted) for their personal and their families safety.
At the risk of making this too difficult or confusing- I like the idea of having the list available for PM or direct email. What do you think about the idea of requiring someone to give a personal reference before the info is released. IE: before the list is sent to me, I must have met someone from the club who would vouch for me that I am a wheeler and not just a nut case looking for personal info so I can use it for bad things?

I'm not trying to confuse the issue, but would like to see some security. The idea behind this thread is fantastic and I will be posting my contact information.

Thanks for listening to my .02

[Crawldad]

Sign me up. I live close to FJ in Gold Canyon. Soon I hope to install an RV gate so I will have my trailer here at home, instead of stored in Mesa.
That way I will be able to help out when a tow rig with a trailer is needed.

[DrewDog]

I'm 30 minutes from TM, about 45 from the White Tanks and at least 60 minutes from FJ. Please add me to the list. I'm willing to drive to and and ALL locations to help ANYONE in the club. I have a Jeep with a winch sitting on 38's, Dana 60 and 14 bolt. Also have a Trailer and tow rig, (602) 697-3929. Add me..................Drew

[AZXJ]

Dave
480-720-1041 Cell

[amber.hodge]

We will volunteer as water recon with our super submarine amphibious jeep!

But seriously....our number is out on the thread now....anyone ever needs help, we'll drop everything to come.

[SHNIPE]

I'm 30 minutes from TM, about 45 from the White Tanks and at least 60 minutes from FJ. Please add me to the list. I'm willing to drive to and and ALL locations to help ANYONE in the club. I have a Jeep with a winch sitting on 38's, Dana 60 and 14 bolt. Also have a Trailer and tow rig, (602) 260-1039. Add me..................Drew
fixed it for you :D

[amber.hodge]

Oh, crash and rescue fire fighter....CPR....

[DrewDog]

Originally Posted by DrewDog
I'm 30 minutes from TM, about 45 from the White Tanks and at least 60 minutes from FJ. Please add me to the list. I'm willing to drive to and and ALL locations to help ANYONE in the club. I have a Jeep with a winch sitting on 38's, Dana 60 and 14 bolt. Also have a Trailer and tow rig, (602) 260-1039. Add me..................Drew
fixed it for you

You can call that number and win Warped Tour Tickets, don't think you'll find help with your rig :) Well maybe if you call between 5:30-10AM.

[offroadaz]

fixed it for you :D

haha :)

[k7mto]

This was brought up in an earlier thread- but security needs to be an issue. Some folks in certain occupations go to a lot of trouble of having their personal information hidden from public view (redacted) for their personal and their families safety.
At the risk of making this too difficult or confusing- I like the idea of having the list available for PM or direct email. What do you think about the idea of requiring someone to give a personal reference before the info is released. IE: before the list is sent to me, I must have met someone from the club who would vouch for me that I am a wheeler and not just a nut case looking for personal info so I can use it for bad things?

I'm not trying to confuse the issue, but would like to see some security. The idea behind this thread is fantastic and I will be posting my contact information.

Thanks for listening to my .02

Another option is that the list is only sent to those who contribute their info and one item might be a pin code they provide initially and need to provide whenever they need a new copy. This limits the info to those on the list but anyone who needs help only need the number of one friend who has the list and that person can then use the list for callout (vs the person who is stuck making dozens of calls from the field).

[amber.hodge]

Another option is that the list is only sent to those who contribute their info and one item might be a pin code they provide initially and need to provide whenever they need a new copy. This limits the info to those on the list but anyone who needs help only need the number of one friend who has the list and that person can then use the list for callout (vs the person who is stuck making dozens of calls from the field).

well, perhaps not that limited...what if someone is novice, so doesn't put their name in as they feel they would be more harm than good....then they get stuck and have no help...perhaps in the forum sponsor area for forum sponsors only????

also, those on the list should be able to get a new sticker that Joe West should have someone design that is "VJC Jeep Rescue Team" --- pretty cool sticker I'd think and I haven't seen other clubs have them - unique.

[Fire Ball]

I would love to volunteer, my concerns are with security also.

Just don't wake me up when I'm sleeping after a red eye flight to the east coast :)

There has to be a way to do this, we can do it!

[sms1688]

I agree with keeping it secure some how and also on the list availablity to help out if you have some kind of set hours.

[jporvaz]

Who is collecting all the info that is being put on this thread?

John
602-478-3014
Tow rig w/winch (lifted- 35/s), access to trailer occasionally
CPR
see sig for jeep
Used to being woken up at all hours....
East Valley

[AZLugz]

I have put in a selection on the spreadsheet that if the main sheet shows the owner prefers to be "secure", the info on the pass out phone list is blocked.

As for who gets it, I am good with several of the options shown but will leave it to the group. I have an interesting sheet in work that I will post exmples of tomorrow for ideas, suggestions and complaints....This will only have BS info on it til I get the setup confirmed, all the info sent to me so far will stay secured till decisions are made. I can't finish tonight because I have to go away tonight.

The response so far to my suggestion has been incredible, thank you all

[ROKCRLR]

This is a great idea and I will gladly submit my info. I would like to see some measure of security though.

[Stu Olson]

This limits the info to those on the list but anyone who needs help only need the number of one friend who has the list and that person can then use the list for callout (vs the person who is stuck making dozens of calls from the field).
This assumes that the person needing assistance does in fact have the ability to contact someone while he/she is out on the trail. People out by themselves are so at risk it is not even funny. :eek:

Which brings up the concept of doing a trail with multiple vehicles (an EXCELLENT idea).

When the details all get ironed out (the security side of things), I'm in.

[ArizonaXJ]

Having been the recipient of this groups willingness to help each other out shortly after I joined (my son's upper CA issue on a Sunday) I am all for this.
I only hope that this "alert roster" is held to a certain level of security.....there have been many good suggestions thrown out thus far. I have sent all of my contact info in to the yahoo account for the list.
Can't wait to see it.


Jim

One other idea that you may add to this. What if we have a list of who is available posted somewhere? Nothing more then a screen name. Those of us with the real list will know all the other info. This way someone isn't trying to call somebody that is out of town say for the Memorial day weekend. As an example; we posted a list of who is in town for Memorial day weekend where those of us who are up for this signs up for the specific weekend since we are just sitting around the house? Just another idea. We have a volunteer list in the unit for all kinds of things; fire duty, people wiling to go as a replacement to Iraq or Afghanistan, etc....

[AZG23]

Im in...its a great idea...


work out the bugs....my phone is always on....


as for hours...sometimes its at 3am you need help...:D And Amber and Bens needs to be laminated so it cant get wet.:D

[TRLR8TDTJ]

Sign me up sounds like good idea. I have locked jeep with 36 swamper and not scared to use it. I live in east valley and have truck and trailer. Let me know when we have good plan and I will give rest of my info. I think this should be another sponsor only option.

Kyle

[RokNRich]

Besides the security concerns, IME (in my experience) lists like this become nonfunctional after time. People come and go (AZLUGS has been here, what 6 months ?). Phone numbers change, jobs and shifts change, etc. People sell their jeeps and move away.

What's wrong with the way it is now ?

There were at least 6 or 7 vehicles out on a Monday night with very little notice just this week. Can't ask for a better response than that ! Either way, the person needing help needs to get into cell range.

That's just my take on it, I'll help if I can of course. Plus, I like to play devils advocate. ;)

[RokNRich]

WalMart carries OilZap pads for $ .79 and OilDry 25lb. bag for $ 3.79

I made 3 8lb bags with 2 OilZap pads in each bag. 1 is in the jeep. 2 are in the garage!

Plenty for 3 spills!


Oil Dry is NOT peatsorb. It is cat litter. If you use cat litter on the trail, you need to make sure you remove it from the trail. Thanks

[My1stJeep]

as for hours...sometimes its at 3am you need help...:D

Smart horses behind... :D I resemble that time frame... :D

I would suggest only putting people's first names, side of town and one phone number. Don't publish screen names with it so people cannot tie the two together so easily.

Another thought would be to publish a list of one or two names on each side of town, those individuals would then be responsible for calling in help, kind of like a call tree.

Maybe we should also create and Emergency Forum, only for emergency situation where individuals are stuck out on the trail and need help getting home? The final contact list could be set up within that as a sticky. Maybe that forum is also password protected, then we just need to figure out what the criteria is going to be to get the password.

Just a couple quick ideas, bit I really do like this idea and can't see it in action once it is figured out .

I too will add my information, specialty in recovering Yellow Subs...:D

[AZG23]

aye...Im here for YOU......:D

[AZLugz]

Besides the security concerns, IME (in my experience) lists like this become nonfunctional after time. People come and go (AZLUGS has been here, what 6 months ?). Phone numbers change, jobs and shifts change, etc. People sell their jeeps and move away.

What's wrong with the way it is now ?

There were at least 6 or 7 vehicles out on a Monday night with very little notice just this week. Can't ask for a better response than that ! Either way, the person needing help needs to get into cell range.

That's just my take on it, I'll help if I can of course. Plus, I like to play devils advocate. ;)


Actually, you will find my name on the old AZVJC.net also, bit more than 6 months, but granted, not as long as a lot of them here.

Your concerns are a valid point tho, it has been suggested that morre than one be responsible for the list and after the bugs are worked out I think it would be great if several people has a "Master" copy and were accountable for the info and in turn held each other accountable. Usually when these things fail it is when one person has "built their empire" with it (so to speak) and then gets bored with doing it.

[Digger]

Are people able to find out where you live though cell phone #? I didn't think an address could be found with cell #.
Any way, I don't have much as far as rescue equipment, but I'd go help with what I could as far as getting them out of danger and give them a ride out.
And bless the fool who'd try to break into my place while I was not there. More dogs than anyone would want to encounter, and they are a loyal pack.
If I can be of any assistance, let me know if you need contact info.

[amber.hodge]

We need a spreadsheet that is waterproof, fireproof, dog chewing resistant....oh, and childproof...!!! :D

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I'm willing to be added to the list, I spend more time in scottsdale than I do in N Phoenix! No need to publish home addressed, generla location and cell phone is all we need. General Rig info:Stock Jeep with a warn PP and 37's;)

Jason

[Wind_Danzer]

I'm game to also be added to the list, just let me know what info is decided upon.

I also love the idea of an Emergency Forum!!!!

[Joe West]

I could also create a password protected forum to keep "guests" from viewing the list (and anyone else that doesn't have the password). The password could be given out freely via PM or by email to all members.

Let me know.

Joe

[AZLugz]

OK, this is what I have so far, this is a BASIC example only and no names but mine are on the example

The first sheet would bee all the primary contact info for the individual, but they only give what they want to and the information is not put out to the entire club, it is only on the master database or databases. It also gives info to the people making the contact. More can be added as needed.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/AZLugz/AZVJC/Primarycontact.png

The second sheet can be sent to whoever wants a copy and would be used to find the needed equipment for the rescue. (I need to add the medical and notes to this also). There is more equipment to be added also as we determine what may be needed.
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/AZLugz/AZVJC/EquipmentInfo.png

This is the information that could be passed out for emergency contact, the second pic is the actual picture file that could be printed and is in PNG format but can be sent in many different ones or posted in an IM for user to copy and paste.

And for special needs cases, like Amber and Ben, I do have a laminator!!!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/AZLugz/AZVJC/Basiccontact.png

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i195/AZLugz/AZVJC/ContactSheet.png

[desertrubi]

I like this idea. Security issues don't really concern me due to the generalized nature of the information being put out. If somebody can figure out where I live by my cell # and if I have a winch or not and a trailer, then well, I'm screwed already.

As far as the list dying out, I don't see that happening. We drive our jeeps hard and stuff is breaking all the time. And if somebody sells their jeep and they get a call at 3 in the morning, they will remember to take their name off the list if they don't like waking up that early.

[Wayco]

Keeping the list current and accurate will require some effort. AZLugs, are you up for that responsibility? If so, I think this is a great idea. Sounds like Joe could protect the data well enough, and I think an organized "tree" with a few reliable people as contacts would work good too. As soon as I get a new line on my winch, I'm in. :D

[AZLugz]

Everyone gets tired of responsibilities like these, the key thing is to recognize when you are burning out, put the word out and pass the torch. Just cause I start this thing does not mean that I own it, once it is running good it should be easy to maintain and later, if I move or tire of it or sell(naw, that won't happen) and need to pass it on, I can post up stating that and volunteers can be asked for and then the club can decide on the new individual to manage the info. This is a living document but the information will not be that intense to keep up with.

[AZLugz]

I know people do not want their regular name listed but is there anyone that does not want their list of equipment and Screen name listed, if no one has a problem with it, I can post that info in a more secure area...like a members area, and then people can let me know what they have or don't have on the list and also make sure I have the info for them correct

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

If you want to depend on a short list of folks for help, you will burn them out. I think there are enough good people here to help, the list should be long.

Jason

[4 Wheelers Supply]

This is really a great idea. I might add, I think that the Amber Alert is yes funny yet should NOT be used as our emergency contact name. Am I wrong or should we keep what the govt. has named the Amber Alert an incident of missing and abducted children.



I will add myself to the list. :)

[AZLugz]

I have changed it to a Jeep Alert unless the group agrees on something better, good point on amber alert made a couple times

[4 Wheelers Supply]

I have changed it to a Jeep Alert unless the group agrees on something better, good point on amber alert made a couple times

J.E.E.P.

Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel :D

We could have fun with this :D

[ActualReverend]

Well count me in for the FLAGSTAFF area, I know I would like some help up here every so often. I will provide details as soon as we figure out what the layout is.

--Bryan

[KnetAZ]

Not sure how invloved this idea would be, (maybe Joe could add his thoughts), but I was part of a quick response group in a job a while back that had similar security concerns regarding publishing personal info.

We had a mail server that would catch email to a certain address (help@vjc, for instance) and would read a key word in the title (such as "help"), and would then auto forward that message to everyone on a forwarding list. No personal info gets posted and everyone gets informed. You could opt in or out in User CP (if that is customizable that way), or maybe the old site.

That way people get notified even if they aren't on the site. It is a little more involved, but if someone has an email server available...............

[AZLugz]

J.E.E.P.

Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel :D

We could have fun with this :D


Like it and made the Change!!!!

[YELACON]

i would like to be on the list too. just waiting to see where to send the info.

[offroadaz]

pm azlugz and he will get you added

[highjeeps]

You can add me to the list. Do I need to renew my sponsership? Do I need to supply some info? (haven't read through all of the posts).

[SavageSun4x4]

Besides the security concerns, IME (in my experience) lists like this become nonfunctional after time. People come and go (AZLUGS has been here, what 6 months ?). Phone numbers change, jobs and shifts change, etc. People sell their jeeps and move away.

What's wrong with the way it is now ?

There were at least 6 or 7 vehicles out on a Monday night with very little notice just this week. Can't ask for a better response than that ! Either way, the person needing help needs to get into cell range.

That's just my take on it, I'll help if I can of course. Plus, I like to play devils advocate. ;)
X2

IMO we already have a list, we are on it now and its has a 1000 members. Just not sure what purpose creating another list serves????

In my few years on here I have never seen a call for help go unanswered and in fact if anything, more folks will show up than there is problems to solve.

IMO this list serves only one purpose, to keep a call for help contained rather than letting every member know and have access to the info.

My suggestion [if any] would be to add a sub-forum called: A call for help or words to the effect. Not to be confused with wrenching help/support. Then it becomes simple, those that can help, show, those that can't, can't.

Now I realize this doesn't create any kind of hero here, but it will allow our world of AZVJC to know someone is up to their windows in a river and there are alligators heading their way.

All I see happening is the adding of a layer of bureaucracy...the system is not broke, what are we trying to fix?

Solution in search of a problem maybe?

Maybe your thinking I am trying to rain on your parade, will I am not. I just feel letting everyone know about a crises where folks need help and need it now, should be open to all to participate and help if they can, when they can.



I would suggest contacting a lawyer or authorities before calling this an "Amber Alert" regardless of how funny or cute it may sound.

[offroadaz]

Purpose for the list is to get more organized. Who knows who is an EMT or First responder. Who can name 5 people on the west side off the top of their head that have winches, tow ropes and recover equipment. What are their numbers?

The list is just a place for us to keep track of who is willing and capable of heading out to help and what part of town they are on

[AZLugz]

Thats right and a way to help people have numbers to call when they are out there.

It will still be posted, no one is trying to be a hero and we are not making an exclusive rescue club, just phone numbers people can carry in their rig in case of trouble and then a more comprehensive list on the computer so if we need an on board welder, or portable generator or....., we know who may be able to help with those things. As for amber alert, it is not copyrighted but does not matter, we are not using it, just laughing at it.


The system here works good and this is not to replace it, just add more features to it. When a call goes out for help, it should still get posted and people can come help, as I said, it can just add the capability of specific help needed quicker.

[AZG23]

Purpose for the list is to get more organized. Who knows who is an EMT or First responder.
The list is just a place for us to keep track of who is willing and capable of heading out to help and what part of town they are on


I have gathered folks names and numbers over the time I have been here...and generally know who "I" can call for help...but not everyone has...the longer you are here the bigger your "network" gets..

I think its a good idea...but I think it ALWAYS needs to be posted up no matter what...if someone needs help, it needs to be made known.


:D

[k7mto]

IMO this list serves only one purpose, to keep a call for help contained rather than letting every member know and have access to the info.

...

All I see happening is the adding of a layer of bureaucracy...the system is not broke, what are we trying to fix?


Actually,it's the opposite. Currently, someone calls for help to any friend whose number they have. That friend jumps on the BBS and posts for help. They wait for responses, determine which responders are in the needed locations and/or have proper equipment, make phone calls, etc.

This list would simply speed up the process. If the person called by the victim has the list, they can post here and immediately start making calls as well. If they don't have the list, the first person with the list who sees the post can respond to the post that they are making calls to those on the list. In either case, the response time is greatly decreased and folks can get moving toward the victim to assist in a more timely manner.

With or without any list, I firmly believe the first step taken by anyone who receives a call for help should be to determine if 911 help is needed (the first thing I asked Ben was "did everyone get to shore OK and is anyone hurt?"). If so, call 911 first, then post it up here and any other forum from which help may be needed. Then, start making calls. The list just speeds things up, imo.

[offroadaz]

I have gathered folks names and numbers over the time I have been here...and generally know who "I" can call for help...but not everyone has...the longer you are here the bigger your "network" gets..

I think its a good idea...but I think it ALWAYS needs to be posted up no matter what...if someone needs help, it needs to be made known.


:D

Yep, being new to the VJC I dont have too many contacts yet.

I agree with posting a thread about it too, it gives those of us who can't make it out something to talk about :)

[Digger]

Just a thought...

another idea for the list. Some of us work regular hours, maybe a "most available time" column. Of course anyone of us would drop what we are doing to aid a fellow club member in distress, but there might be better response time from one who is not in the middle of a corporate meeting, or has to drive to other side of town to get rescue equipment before starting on the way.

Message to all new comers to the club: Arizona is mostly desert, if you should venture out to help with rescue please take at least 4 to 6 gallons of drinking water with you. :)

[AZLugz]

Best Available Time Block added

[Fire Ball]

Sounds to me like we are basically talking about printed phone book for all of the group members. I personally will jump anytime I am available to help someone out who is in trouble and I'm sure everyone here would do the same. The list is gonna be huge.

We are talking about a big undertaking. Who will be elligible to receive these benifits? What will the scope be? Can this be coordinated with the various land managers ie BLM, Forest Service?

I think a list of contacts to be able to get ahold of someone to post up is an excellent idea for starters. Then possibly a list of people who might have the experties and equipment to help out. I can see a situation where there are so many people calling each other, no one is actually getting anything done.

I think we are on the verge of something huge and really good. Maybe even the start of a whole new private S&R unit.

Do we have any Search and rescure people here we can get input from?

I'm getting all tingly inside, I love projects :)

[Digger]

:cool:

I've been thinking of getting a winch, I would appreciate any suggestions to help me decide. Have bumper made to except winch, below the mounted hi lift jack on it now. 98 XJ

[YGOHOME]

is there a list yet? You can add my name to it. sometimes its just nice to know there are is someone to call so I'm willing to post my cell phone #. where do I sine up?


I live in north scottsdale... 94st and e.bell rd near the 101. I dont' have a trailer or tow rig anything like that... just the jeep rubicon I use for wheeling and daily driving. But I have basic stuff... a winch, a GPS to help finding you if you have coordinates, spare parts, tools and air and cutoff tools along with a ready welder thats never been used yet. I can get to Table Mesa area pretty quick from my home in less than 30 min.

[AZLugz]

I have 22 names on the list so far and one is secure for phone number (on main list only, not released list)

I am also starting to accrue a pretty good list of equipment. Selections so far are (please feel free to suggest more):
Signon Name
4x4 (the rig)
Winch (y/n)
Locked? (f/r)
Tow Rig
Trailer (y/n)
Trailer Winch (y/n)
Tools
Recovery Gear
OBA
OB Weld
CB
GPS
Spill Kit
Port. Generator
Other Notes

[k7mto]

Sounds to me like we are basically talking about printed phone book for all of the group members. I personally will jump anytime I am available to help someone out who is in trouble and I'm sure everyone here would do the same. The list is gonna be huge.

Ya know this brings up a good point. If the list is more than a few dozen names, it might make more sense to simply integrate it into the BBS (if even possible).

Our member info could contain additional fields similar to those in AZLugz spreadsheet and folks could sort on a column which indicates if we're available for recovery ops. If this is possible, it'd be up to each member interested to update his own info and ensure it's accuracy.

Joe - does vBulletin provide the ability to add fields to the member info table?

[ActualReverend]

That is great if you have internet access in the boonies, but I dont. I think a list I could print out would be great in the glove box for when the poo hits the fan and I need help.

--Bryan

X2

IMO we already have a list, we are on it now and its has a 1000 members. Just not sure what purpose creating another list serves????

In my few years on here I have never seen a call for help go unanswered and in fact if anything, more folks will show up than there is problems to solve.

IMO this list serves only one purpose, to keep a call for help contained rather than letting every member know and have access to the info.

My suggestion [if any] would be to add a sub-forum called: A call for help or words to the effect. Not to be confused with wrenching help/support. Then it becomes simple, those that can help, show, those that can't, can't.

Now I realize this doesn't create any kind of hero here, but it will allow our world of AZVJC to know someone is up to their windows in a river and there are alligators heading their way.

All I see happening is the adding of a layer of bureaucracy...the system is not broke, what are we trying to fix?

Solution in search of a problem maybe?

Maybe your thinking I am trying to rain on your parade, will I am not. I just feel letting everyone know about a crises where folks need help and need it now, should be open to all to participate and help if they can, when they can.



I would suggest contacting a lawyer or authorities before calling this an "Amber Alert" regardless of how funny or cute it may sound.

[Digger]

Getting real strong with this movement.
Just a thought..again... what ya think of doing some training/meeting get togethers when the list is made? Some serious drills would be real interesting and am sure "impressive".
I am fairly new to the group, but from the threads I see there are some who know how to conduct a rescue and are very good at it. Many can benifit from your advice.
Rescue is serious business, and very risky where there is waterflow involved.

[offroadaz]

Im all for ding mock drills. I know the sheriffs department has a jeep possee listed on their site. Maybe we should just join that?

[Stu Olson]

While some may not see the list as anything but an added layer of something getting into the way, I see it as an enhancement to what we already have, which is this forum.

When my normal job permits, I often times have Mondays off. I'll usually spend it at a friends place....and even manage to see some of you there too. I normally don't have internet access with me (although I do have a Verizon WAN card for my laptop) and so I could easily work the entire day, get home at 6:00 PM, and then discover that someone was in a bind 8 hours ago.....and I could have helped....or maybe I couldn't have.....but the point is you need to know when help is needed. Having to log into the BBS so you can see if someone needs help is silly. Being able to get a phone call and check the BBS makes sense to me.

[ademster]

IF we do make a list we need to have them laminated for Amber and Bens sake!!!


But I didnt read the whole thread... but who should contact to give my info

[AZG23]

Sent my info via PM to AZLugs

[amber.hodge]

I agree with the need for a list, but in reading don's post, I thought of something....
When we called for help we each were down to one bar on our phones...If we had called and gotten answering machines, or "sorry - I would totally help, but I'm at Moab", we would have had dead batteries before reaching someone calling down the list....Perhaps on the list itself there should be a place/column that would give hours of availability....I know that I would help anyone anytime...but there are these things called drill weekends and I cannot leave unless there is a medical family emergency with my husband or son...i'm sure other people have other such restrictions with certain blocks of time...
(azlugs - our availability is basically whenever except the first weekend of every month...when the first weekend is a holiday one, it rolls to the second weekend)

[RokNRich]

That was pretty much the point of my earlier post.

If you're in trouble and need rescued, you need either a cell signal or a ham radio to call for help. Cell signals are weak at best on the finges of civilization and by the time you get to one, your battery may well be dead as well.

You should always tell someone where you are going and when you'll be back. In my case I tell my wife or local family members. They all know about this forum and how to post for help.

One phone call and I can get back to working on the Jeep or drinking sobe's.

If I couldn't get ahold of one of them, I have a few friends numbers in my phone, I would call and bother my friends in the middle of the night, but would feel bad about calling some stranger off the list.

That's just how I do it, I think it's a solid strategy without having to do a ton of record keeping.

1000 views and 99 replies to this thread :rolleyes:

[Fire Ball]

Amber has a great point but I think we need remember something here. We are all adults and as such need to take some responsibility for ourselves. This includes taking tools and parts, charging your cell phone before you leave the house, not going wheeling alone, let people know where you are going and when you should be back...etc.

We live in a harsh and quite deadly environment and we need to take basic precautions before even heading out. We all worry about oil spills but a dead body can actually leave a nasty grease stain in the desert too ;)

I'll check into some literature I have at home. I know there is a copy of GoldWing riders around the country you can call if need help somewhere. There is a subscription price for it and a club membership or something. I"ll look into it.

[Fire Ball]

That was pretty much the point of my earlier post.

If you're in trouble and need rescued, you need either a cell signal or a ham radio to call for help. Cell signals are weak at best on the finges of civilization and by the time you get to one, your battery may well be dead as well.

You should always tell someone where you are going and when you'll be back. In my case I tell my wife or local family members. They all know about this forum and how to post for help.

One phone call and I can get back to working on the Jeep or drinking sobe's.

If I couldn't get ahold of one of them, I have a few friends numbers in my phone, I would call and bother my friends in the middle of the night, but would feel bad about calling some stranger off the list.

That's just how I do it, I think it's a solid strategy without having to do a ton of record keeping.

1000 views and 99 replies to this thread :rolleyes:


You could actually call anyone on the planet you know who has a phone and internet connection to log onto your account and post up that you are in trouble and need help.

[amber.hodge]

Perhaps a list on the website would be good for those who see the initial post and need to "rally the troops"....although people are normally available, they are not always (unless it is fireball when he's not flying or me at home) glued to the computer constantly....A list in the forum sponsors only area FOUO (for official use only) would allow those who are organizing a rescue and recovery effort to call and get more support - This I do think would work great...say you organize a rescue and have 6 people with winches but need a trailer and haven't located one - you filter the list by who has one and start calling those guys before leaving on the mission.
I do agree with someone knowing where you are going...If you are going to do ghost runs where you invite via pm only, make sure you pm someone who isn't going to be able to make it where you are. We also always call ben's dad to let him know where we are going.

[amber.hodge]

You could actually call anyone on the planet you know who has a phone and internet connection to log onto your account and post up that you are in trouble and need help.

Make sure you don't call the most technologically challenged dinosaur you know, though...it would take me an hour to explain how to post a thread on my account to my mother! :eek:

[RokNRich]

You could actually call anyone on the planet you know who has a phone and internet connection to log onto your account and post up that you are in trouble and need help.


Exactly. And not bother people working or sleeping or moved to Florida or whatever.


Make sure you don't call the most technologically challenged dinosaur you know, though...it would take me an hour to explain how to post a thread on my account to my mother! :eek:


You should always tell someone where you are going and when you'll be back. In my case I tell my wife or local family members. They all know about this forum and how to post for help.



I spent about 5 minutes of time with a few people and now have a safety net. Worthwhile investment.

[amber.hodge]

Amber has a great point but I think we need remember something here. We are all adults and as such need to take some responsibility for ourselves. This includes taking tools and parts, charging your cell phone before you leave the house, not going wheeling alone, let people know where you are going and when you should be back...etc.

We live in a harsh and quite deadly environment and we need to take basic precautions before even heading out. We all worry about oil spills but a dead body can actually leave a nasty grease stain in the desert too ;)

I'll check into some literature I have at home. I know there is a copy of GoldWing riders around the country you can call if need help somewhere. There is a subscription price for it and a club membership or something. I"ll look into it.

Well, I find that even with a freshly charged cell, the battery just gets sucked dry when you are unable to find a signal...we left with full batteries, made no calls, then we needed to make a call about 4 hours later and the batteries were one bar at best.

[amber.hodge]

I still need to teach ben how to post a thread...he can handle the pms, but had no idea on the other stuff or how to start a pm - only to respond to them...

[Fire Ball]

When you are out of service area, the phone burns juice trying to access all the different services. I just turn mine off as soon as I leave civilisation. Also might want to think about upgrading the phone and battery.

[amber.hodge]

When you are out of service area, the phone burns juice trying to access all the different services. I just turn mine off as soon as I leave civilisation. Also might want to think about upgrading the phone and battery.

I don't want to waste my jeep mod money on phone mods!! ack! :eek: My extra money is for that big brown submarine in the parking lot!! :) besides, can't upgrade without going out of pocket 100.00 until a year from now...should get better battery....should also turn off when out of civilization. :rolleyes: better habits make for more prepared jeepers. :D

[desertrubi]

I work a really screwed up schedule. Days for 3 weeks and then nights for 3 weeks, and each week my days change. But if a call goes out and help is needed, I don't care if its in middle of the night. Then that just means that person needs help really bad and needs to be extracted right away. I know when I'm on nights, I am on here till the sun comes up, but not everyone is. If the only person they call is a family member, and its late, how many people browse the site in middle of the night. Not many.

By the way, I don't have very much recovery gear. Already planned on getting a winch in the next few weeks. I am also planning on going out and getting a bunch more recovery gear and putting together a bag that can be quickly put in the jeep and ready to go. Just another reason to go buy more stuff.:D

[GLEN REAMS]

When you are out of service area, the phone burns juice trying to access all the different services. I just turn mine off as soon as I leave civilisation. Also might want to think about upgrading the phone and battery.

or just get a phone charger that plugs into your ash tray. or get a 10$ spare battery keep it fully charged and stuffed in the glove box somewhere

[amber.hodge]

or just get a phone charger that plugs into your ash tray. or get a 10$ spare battery keep it fully charged and stuffed in the glove box somewhere

Both of those ideas would have been toast in a water situation, but have merit if someone rolled and needs help.

[Oc1paddler]

There have been a lot of great ideas posted but I think we need to break it down by whats important. Ive gone out to help people several times but missed more than Ive gone on just because I wasn't online at the time!! There are lots of times when Iam bored so I go out to piddle around in the garage thinking to myself I wish I was wheeling or something, just to come in 3 or 4 hours later and find out that I could have gone out and rescued someone. A list would make it faster for sure witch is what's important. I don't think that security is really an issue if you just post a phone # and first name. As far as being inconvient I wouldn't feel obligated just because Iam on the list. If Iam busy to bad. Maybe I can pass the word along for you. If I can go yippee, you get help and I get to have fun, its a win, win situation. I do think that it should go in the sponsers forum so that we are supporting the people who support the club. I would be less inclined to make a special trip out somewere for someone who just happend to here a about a free rescue that would save his Izuzu. Anyway add me to the list.
4X4 tow rig with lockers and a warn 12k
Jeep, locked with a 9k
OBA, Welder, and a big inverter for grinders ect.

[Sedona Jeep School]

Add me to the list for Northern Arizona, especially the Verde Valley/Sedona region. I don't mind a call at any time of day--if I am asleep, my phone is off. If I can't help, I can probably track down someone who can.

[drroadie]

Add me to the list for northern Az. also. I'm in Chino Valley. (15 mi. north of Prescott) I have a slighted lifted YJ on 30x9.50's with a 8k winch, straps, high lift etc. My cell # is; (928) 636-7481. I am in the field a lot, but normaly have a signal. (like I know anything about normal,,,lol) Wake me up if you need to, not a problem. Oh, name's Don.

Ops, thats home phone. That's ok too, but cell is; (928) 925-6387.

[Craig Hayes]

That would be a great tool to have. I know I would use it.

[zeitlerusmc]

add me Christian Zeitler 760-819-2235 soCal area san diego, san bernadino, riverside, anywhere around here. I don't mind driving if its an emergency. I know I'm far but i already helped out one azvjc'er out here once before!

[Antman]

A whole lot of good ideas here. I think a contact list is a good idea.



Heber/Overgaard/Mogollon Rim area of the state.
Contact: Antman aka Bill
cell phone on all the time 602 535 5199
97 TJ locked on 35's
OBA/inverter/CO2
8,000 winch
full complement of tools
CB and Ham radio 2m/440 Usually monitor 146.80 -600 on a PL of 162.2 in Heber
4x4 tow rig and trailer
portable welder and 6k generator
Rescue experienced in snow, mud, and rocks!

[AZLugz]

List is updated with all the info sent to me so far.

I have 25 people on the list. There is 3 seperate sheets, the 1st will not get published as it has more info than generally needed

sheet 2 is the screenname and avalable equipment, I would like to publish this sheet where ever Joe decide to put it that is Member only...that info to come

Sheet 3 is base info only for a rig print sheet, it has area of the state located in, screenname, availability and contact phone number, I would also like to publish this in the same member area with sheet 2.

They will be published as a graphic because I use a lot of macro/formulaes to match info on the three sheets, therefore a CSV file will not work and with the ifo on sheet 1 having secure info, I can not publisht the spreadsheet itself.


I this ok with all, any concerns with this. I have one individual that does not want the phone number released and his info shows as blocked.

[k7mto]

Kudos for putting this together!

What's the point of providing you with info, only to have it blocked? Or do you mean only the online version will be blocked, but the printable copy you send out will not be blocked?

[Crawldad]

Updated info PMed to AZLugz.

[offroadaz]

so whens the official version go out? Seems like we have a huge list now

[AZLugz]

Kudos for putting this together!

What's the point of providing you with info, only to have it blocked? Or do you mean only the online version will be blocked, but the printable copy you send out will not be blocked?


He does not want his phone info out to everyone but has available gear to help.

[AZLugz]

so whens the official version go out? Seems like we have a huge list now


There is still some updating to do and I have a PM in to Joe about where he prefers to locate this info. Also, I am waiting to see if anyone that has sent in info, prefers not to have the info I stated shared in a member area.

[amber.hodge]

I liked the name too.... J.E.E.P. Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel! :) purdy kewl.

Do you think Joe West will make "VJC J.E.E.P. Team" stickers??? Maybe it should have a pic of a jeep in a river being wenched...

[xjstocker]

hey amber ill have to bring that one up to the wife to go along with her other J.E.E.P sayings because we have been that before as well. azlugz pm on way

[amber.hodge]

Oh, that is not my name - AZ Lugs came up with that, and I was saying i liked that....I'm not that inventive with jeep acronyms yet....military ones, I've got those...

ARMY Aint Real Men Yet
MARINES Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Expected (or) My A** Rides In Navy Equipment Sir!
NAVY Never Again Volunteer Yourself

I'd do the Air Force, but they are more like the civilian department of the military....AF....Air Fairies???

[AZLugz]

Oh, that is not my name - AZ Lugs came up with that, and I was saying i liked that....I'm not that inventive with jeep acronyms yet....military ones, I've got those...

ARMY Aint Real Men Yet
MARINES Muscles Are Required Intelligence Not Expected (or) My A** Rides In Navy Equipment Sir!
NAVY Never Again Volunteer Yourself

I'd do the Air Force, but they are more like the civilian department of the military....AF....Air Fairies???


I wish I could take credit for the name but that was Cole from 4WS about 4 pages ago that came up with it.


And wat the AF jokes, got 20 years invested there!!!!! (but yes, it is the civilian side of the military!!)

[amber.hodge]

LOL don't worry, I am on a "purple" mission which means army and air together and they are very knowledgable...even if they think roughing it is the Motel 8 instead of the Hyatt!

[lancetkenyon]

AZLugz, PM sent. Westside, avail on most weekends, a lot of you know my setup.

[AZLugz]

All requests in this thread and the PMs/emails received have been updated on the list and we currently have 31 people. I have not heard anyone concerned with the sheet 2 and 3 info being posted in a member only area so now I am waiting to hear back from Joe on where and how he prefers it placed.

Once it i posted, the people that have sent me info can update me according to what is on the list and the ones where I am missing unposted info will get a PM to see if they wish the info on the list.

Thanks all

[ademster]

I know i pmed you but I read through some of the post so I figured I would change what I pmed you Bill

my contact info

Ademster
Adam Levonius
East Phx
928-380-9890 call 24/7
same email as pmed you
82 cj 7
open front and rear ( but not for to much longer )
4 inch lift with revolver shackles sitting on 33's Baja Claws
9000Lb winch plenty of tow points.

did I miss anything?

[Digger]

Many thanks to you, AZLugs. Good feeling to know there are people like you who care enough to put forth such effort towards providing help and safety in desperate situations.

[Jeepnut]

Lugs, thanks for taking this on!

My info sent via PM. When I'm not at my day job (mon-thurs) I can cover the Beeline corridor, essentially south to Fountain Hills, north to Flag, and east to Heber.

[Jeepnut]

I liked the name too.... J.E.E.P. Jeep Emergency Extraction Personnel! :) purdy kewl.

Do you think Joe West will make "VJC J.E.E.P. Team" stickers??? Maybe it should have a pic of a jeep in a river being wenched...


I rescued an H2 out of Payutte Draw, does that mean I went above and beyond what's expected?

[Wayco]

I rescued an H2 out of Payutte Draw, does that mean I went above and beyond what's expected?
Above and beyond is normal for Jeepnut, he got Hyjak out of Prichartt Canyon too:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y126/allands/IMG_3342.jpg?t=1180701970

Great guy to have around when there is trouble, Thanks again Walt! :)

[YJ TG]

Add me if you can.
Tony
Queen Creek (Johnson Ranch)
PM'd you some info

[AZLugz]

You are entered, thanks!!

[k7mto]

He does not want his phone info out to everyone but has available gear to help.

Understood, but it sort of defeats the purpose of a "call out" list, imo.

If I'm home and get a call from someone for help (as I did from Ben), I post up here for "help needed" and then start calling folks from the list. If a list entry has no contct number, that person is not going to be useful until they happen to read the forum and see the post. Granted we could PM them but the delay still applies.

It's good to know what equipment folks have and that info might be helpful for less urgent rescue/recovery missions, but I think most of us will pass right over entries with no phone number when immediate help is needed.

[AZLugz]

I agree. I am assuming there would be several people who have the "Master List", those people would be Members and would have the phone info and could contact that individual and it may come to pass that it is ok by him to put it out in the Members only area, but at this time I am trying to abide by peoples wishes as much as possible

[k7mto]

I agree. I am assuming there would be several people who have the "Master List", those people would be Members and would have the phone info and could contact that individual and it may come to pass that it is ok by him to put it out in the Members only area, but at this time I am trying to abide by peoples wishes as much as possible

Understood (again) :D I'm certainly not against folks keeping personal info private, I was just trying to understand the logic :)

[AZLugz]

Personally, if I know you plate number, I can find out most anything I want and with some people I know in south Phoenix and a little cash or good tips on a easy mark car thats is saleable, I could know anything about a person from what is in their house. We are not living in a private and secure world here. I don't put my SSAN or bank numbers out but my phone is a cell and if someone gets nasty on it and won't stop, I can change it, no big deal for me!!!

I guess I spent too long in the military where nothing about you was private!

[offroadaz]

Personally, if I know you plate number, I can find out most anything I want and with some people I know in south Phoenix and a little cash or good tips on a easy mark car thats is saleable, I could know anything about a person from what is in their house. We are not living in a private and secure world here. I don't put my SSAN or bank numbers out but my phone is a cell and if someone gets nasty on it and won't stop, I can change it, no big deal for me!!!

I guess I spent too long in the military where nothing about you was private!

except your rank when you first join :D

[k7mto]

except your rank when you first join :D

Keep your day job, Chris :rolleyes:

[Digger]

Somewhere there is partial thread I started and lost. What I was trying to find out, is this the Standard Procedure of how a rescue would start out?

note: stranded will be term used for person in need of help
jeep will be term used for person going to help

stranded makes contact with 1 jeep. should stranded keep calling more jeeps for help. or will 1 jeep automaticly contact more jeeps to join in the rescue?

there are jeeps with major rescue equipment, at least one of these jeeps should be contacted and confirmed they will go to help stranded

[AZLugz]

The way I see it, stranded will contact Jeep1 and verify that Jeep1 will start the rescue process, if Jeep1 can not fullfil the requirement, Jeep1 should make contact with Jeep2 who will do it.

Which ever Jeep does it, they will make the calls and coordinate, during the process if the coordinator is going on the rescue, he will designate another Jeep to man the phone and pass the information thru this site.

Of course, that is just an off the cuff and it has not really been discussed or laid out. It has been said that stranded may not have the battery or signal to do the calling and therefore should not have to. Also, the Jeep is more likly to have the means to write info down.

Again, just my assumptions but I have dealt with alert rosters in the military and was on the Colorado React team in Colo. Spgs for a while



I don't see this, at least for a while, as a formal rescue team, just a supplement to the current approach, it may get bigger and expand to help the sherrif's search and rescue as someone put forth, but that is not the current plan

[k7mto]

That's pretty much how I envision it as well. We don't want stranded to have to use up precious battery life making more calls than necessary. We also want stranded's phone available should jeepN need to try and reach them for additional information and/or follow up reassurance calls that help is en-route.

I also agree that a designated 'base' coordinator who is not participating in the field rescue is a good thing. In our case last week, we didn't really have one as I left to assist with the rescue once we had sufficient resources.

[AZLugz]

Later, when the system is up and running, it would be cool to see if we could connect with the Sherrif's S&R team.

[amber.hodge]

except your rank when you first join :D

LOL...private would have been a step up in the world...I started out a seaman recruit!:eek:

[Digger]

OK. Good deal, I figured stranded should save battery life. I realize this is just getting started and not having extreme rescue equipment chances are slim stranded would try to contact me. but by chance I was the only one in reaching distance from cell phone I would like to know the recommended Procedure in order to get stranded the jeeps he needs.
Just something to consider in future, and I'm sorry for asking such questions, it's part of my routine day at work. Documentation, Investigation, and Procedure. :o I'm off to find a cold beer,and chill, it's FRIDAY !!!!:) Have a great weekend all !!

[AZLugz]

Once things get posted up and moving, we can lay out some general ideas of how to run things so everyone will have the same basic ideas

[lancetkenyon]

Soooooo............where is the big list? Would be interesting to see who all is stepping up to offer assistance. I will bet I know a lot of the volenteers.

[AZLugz]

Sorry, i am still waiting on an answer from Joe as to where he would like the info placed

[Deviljeep]

That's pretty much how I envision it as well. We don't want stranded to have to use up precious battery life making more calls than necessary. We also want stranded's phone available should jeepN need to try and reach them for additional information and/or follow up reassurance calls that help is en-route.

I also agree that a designated 'base' coordinator who is not participating in the field rescue is a good thing. In our case last week, we didn't really have one as I left to assist with the rescue once we had sufficient resources.


I could probably help in this situation...I work 12hr days on the weekends. My number could be out there and I could help coordinate things. I work seven days a week and don't have much to offer in terms of equipment, but I could help when I can in being the 'coordinator'

[AZLugz]

The emergency Contact (1st draft) is posted in the sponsors area where it is open to members, any non-members that are on the list can email me for info.

If you are on the list, please review you info and send me any updates needed. If I am missing any info on the non-published page, i will email you. Thanks all