Urgent help needed in Florence

[k7mto]

Amber and Ben got their Jeep stuck in the middle of the Gila River while running Battleaxe today. Ben just called me for help and I need to round up a few others to assist with the recovery. If anyone has a trailer they may need it to get the Jeep home to Queen Creek.

I'll be making some calls but please post up here if you can help.

TIA

Matt

[ademster]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA

I would help but I am entertaining guests... well crap..

I be back in a second

[ademster]

HOw long will this take, and would you be able to meet me somewhere....how far is it from 38th st and mcdowell.... I can help what do I need... I I can put the batter in my truck and drive it to where ever... but I dont have tags or insurance for it.. but it is more then capable of flat twing them with a strap..


call me 928-380-9890

[ademster]

Ohh and I will need to put gas in either jeep or truck... ( my truck is lowered, wont be able to go on the trail with it... but it can handle dirt roads fine.. )

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Ben just called and I'm heading out with my 4x4 truck

Mike 480-323-8866

[lancetkenyon]

Are they in water? Or just sand? My Jeep is missing a front axle, so it is a no go for it. Info on condition of rig???

[k7mto]

Water up to the windows

Adam - thanks for the offer but that's a ways to come. Let's see how many east siders we can get.

[lancetkenyon]

Water up to the windows

:eek: Not good!:eek: If my Jeep was up and running, I would already be on the road. Sorry, bad timing for an axle swap.:( Hope they get it out and running. What were they thinking???

[DesertRat]

I am available if you need anything..

[k7mto]

I am available if you need anything..

PM'd ya - cal me if you can join us. Do you have a winch? t'd be nice to have more than just mine.

Mike is on his way here and we're heading south through Johnson Ranch to Florence very soon.

[Stoodty]

just got home from white tanks i have winch and recovery gear i live on west side in surprise! it'll take me awhile to get to you guys! but if need be let me know!

[Stoodty]

where they at, and where is it??

[ROKCRLR]

I am available if you need anything..

Hey Mike,

I'll be working until about 9 or 10 tonight. If you guys need anything run out to you after that or need another Jeep out there to help give me a call on my cell.

[jporvaz]

I have a trailer avl- do you need it and me?

[papajeep]

Where in the river is it?
I'm waiting for the GF to call and I might be able to get a trailer out there.
The tow rig is 2 wd so I cant get far.

[Stoodty]

just curious? where they are, is that part of the trail??? cuase i only have
33's...... can i make it out there??

[k7mto]

All I know is they were trying to cross from south to north and got stuck on the south side, so we're goin in Florence-Kelvin Highway to meet Ben who will guide us back.

I recall it's pretty sandy between the graded highway and the river so I think 4wd would be required.
I guess we should wait on a trailer until we know what the situation is when we get him out. If needed we can tow him into Florence and call for a trailer then.

[offroadaz]

I thought battleaxe was a pretty easy trail, I think its an alternate way into the coke ovens. It sounds like they were playing around in the river area and got stuck

good luck with the recovery, be sure to bring a camera!

[papajeep]

I can get my rig to Cochren no problem if they are near there.
623-202-9507
Terry

[jporvaz]

I have a trailer and on my way. K7mto- call me. 602-478-3014. I'll be on CB4

[Stoodty]

here my cell 602-708-2604, i have gear and rig ready just needs gas! and about an hour head start.

[ademster]

some one better take pictures!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[k7mto]

Looks like we have enough east siders en route so no need for you guys to drive all the way across town, but thanks for the offers.

[Stoodty]

no problem, anytime, goodluck and take some pics!

[ROKCRLR]

just curious? where they are, is that part of the trail??? cuase i only have
33's...... can i make it out there??

Although I'm not sure exactly where they are, you shouldn't have any trouble out there.

I just talked to Mike(Desertrat) a few minutes ago and he was heading out to meet k7mto. I'm not sure if they need more people or not.

Edit: never mind, just saw k7mto's last post

[TRLR8TDTJ]

I have to work tonight or I would be all over it. I get out early in the morning if you still need help post up I have truck and trailer. I will check all night to see if you need help, or call.

Kyle
602-820-9013

[mingoglia]

I have a trailer hooked to my truck in front of my house as I just got back from Sedona and all I've unloaded was the Jeep... if your trailer connection falls through let me know as I can leave within minutes.

Mike
480-205-5728

[Wind_Danzer]

Fug me man....

Drop me a line if anyone needs anymore help also. Straps, tools, can bring fluids and even have a spare if there is a tire issue.

Sorry been out of it the last two days sleeping like Rip van Winkle.

EDIT: Call if you need more help: 602-795-1725 or 908-391-7460

[DrewDog]

I know I'm a little late, but I have a trailer and a rig with a winch. I'm on the westside but will head out if you guys need a hand!!!!....................Drew

[azcharlie]

I just got home. I can help call me 602-647-1185.

[azdesertrhino]

Sorry, missed this post, I'm in Tucson but can drag a trailer up and have a fairly capable rig if necessary. Will monitor the board, PM me if you need more assistance or direct contact phone number!!

[David C]

I just spoke with Mike77CJ5 on the phone. The recovery group just left Florence towards Cochran. They have 3 or 4 Jeeps and properly equipped. There is a truck and trailer already en-route. Cell phone reception started breaking up but he said they probably have enough help but extended the invitation to anyone else. And I just checked the water flow for the Gila and is around 500cfs - that's a LOT of water and much higher than the normal avg flow for this time of year.

[GLEN REAMS]

They shouldnt have made a trip out there alone... If more help is needed let me know im 20 min away. 480 570 8093

[Allen]

Just saw this post! I'm real close if you need help! 15 minutes to Price Rd from here!

call if you need more help

480-540-7701

[Wind_Danzer]

You guys so close should join in on the help....

I would be willing to go right now but do not have any clue on how to get there. I'll join a west side group if more need to be called out but I have no idea where the spot they are at is.

Dave,

That's a lot of water!!!!! What is normal for out there?

[RokNRich]

Just got home, will drive out to make sure everything is OK, will bring trailer too.

[David C]

You guys so close should join in on the help....

I would be willing to go right now but do not have any clue on how to get there. I'll join a west side group if more need to be called out but I have no idea where the spot they are at is.

Dave,

That's a lot of water!!!!! What is normal for out there?

USGS waterdata reports 519cfs at the moment and long-term median flow for this date is 347cfs. Not sure what the overall avg flow for the Gila is but I certainly don't think it is more than 350 or so. Check out the USGS info here: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/az/nwis/current/?type=flow

[jbjarko]

Hope all is well. 623363820 if needed. 4wd truck and a flatbed trailer.

[Wind_Danzer]

This the one you are looking at:

GILA RIVER AT KELVIN, AZ. 05/28 18:00 4.68 519 346

4 feet of water is a bit much, even for 35's. :eek:

[jbjarko]

That'd be higher than hoodline.

[desertdawg]

Geez! Just saw this post. Been out doing maintenance on the vehicles. If you need more help call me. 480 540-0284

[DrewDog]

Just got home, will drive out to make sure everything is OK, will bring trailer too.

Rich, you have my cell call me if you need my help!................Drew

[David C]

Hey Jamie, my avatar pic was taken on the road to Cochran. Great scenery out there, but not so much at night. :D I am in east Mesa and was ready to go but it sounded like they were good to go plus AzCharlie had just called them, and he is very close and RokNRich is just as close and is en-route. Give someone a call in the recovery group for specifics on location. I don't want to say any more than I have here already.

[Wind_Danzer]

I don't have their numbers and it looks like there are more then enough now.... Just wasn't sure if 3 or 4 rigs are enough considering I think when James T had his sub moment they had about 7 working on it if I counted correctly in the video.. or at least 7 present.

[David C]

This the one you are looking at:

GILA RIVER AT KELVIN, AZ. 05/28 18:00 4.68 519 346

4 feet of water is a bit much, even for 35's. :eek:

Yes Jamie. I don't know how or where they measure the depth so I don't go by that info really. If 4 feet is the measurement then there are places that are probably 6 to 8 feet deep along with places that are only 1 or 2 feet deep. I just know from numerous trips there what it looks like at various flows and I would not try to cross at the spot I know if it was over 300cfs.

[Wind_Danzer]

Yes Jamie. I don't know how or where they measure the depth so I don't go by that info really. If 4 feet is the measurement then there are places that are probably 6 to 8 feet deep along with places that are only 1 or 2 feet deep. I just know from numerous trips there what it looks like at various flows and I would not try to cross at the spot I know if it was over 300cfs.

I'm taking you with me if I ever make it out there. LOL :D

[David C]

I'm taking you with me if I ever make it out there. LOL :D

Sounds like we need to plan a scenic trip out that way. Not really difficult but fun and lots of places for pics. My uncle owns some property out there and I have done quite a bit of exploring the area. I'll start thinking of a good route to take. But now I'll stop hijacking this thread. :) I do hope they get out of this ok. I love how this group comes together to help when needed!

[Kendall]

Carb is in the middle of a rebuild right now and tranny won't stop bleeding. Sorry guys.
Good luck!!

[ademster]

who knows what they were thinking... maybe it was shallow then all of a sudden got deep on them....

[Wind_Danzer]

I'm gonna guess they were crossing in a shallow area but the force of the water pushed them into deeper water off what would be the traditional crossing line.

[AbsoluteOffroad]

I don't have their numbers and it looks like there are more then enough now.... Just wasn't sure if 3 or 4 rigs are enough considering I think when James T had his sub moment they had about 7 working on it if I counted correctly in the video.. or at least 7 present.

On James T. It only took two winches to get him out. Hackle with his YJ and Us with our XJ, Chris Radocia was also there to lend a hand. We made James do all the swiming.:D

Lisa

[ademster]

I hope someone is/has taken pictures...

I would have gone out there to help... but I have My family in law over and well I am not so close... hahaha

[ROKCRLR]

I'm off work now and can head out there if they need more help, or if a second group wants to head out there. Mike has my number and said he'd call if they need anything else.

[AZG23]

Hope they get out all ok....bad trip goin out alone....its great all are pulling together to help...Id volunteer up if I wasnt 2wd right now with no front DS..

[lancetkenyon]

Hope they get out all ok....bad trip goin out alone....its great all are pulling together to help...Id volunteer up if I wasnt 2wd right now with no front DS..

I can lend you my front DS, it is just sitting next to my Jeep. Or you could regear your front axle and lend it to me?:o

[AZG23]

I can lend you my front DS, it is just sitting next to my Jeep. Or you could regear your front axle and lend it to me?:o


why dont we trade since youre a trailer queen......:D I need one that can go fast...mine has a slight vibe over 60.....

[ademster]

any updates?

[DUFFER]

Wow! Hope the recovery went off without a hitch. Way to pull together guys!

[Fire Ball]

Man I leave them alone for 1 day and they get into trouble. I just landed in LAS or I would be there in a heart beat. Looks like a wrenching party will be in the works.

I'm hoping everyone is ok. Was Remington along or just BENBER.

Bill

[papajeep]

Ok they are out safe and sound.
Pics to come later

[Wind_Danzer]

I believe it was a family outing with the dog!!!

[Wind_Danzer]

Ok they are out safe and sound.
Pics to come later

Good to hear!!! Put on a trailer I'm going to assume.

[ademster]

glad their out... lets see them pics!!!!!!!!

before and afters



whens the wrenching party

[GLEN REAMS]

Maybe i missed something but why did they need to be trailered home? or was that just a incase the worst happend type deal?

[ademster]

the water was as high as the windows... possibly the engine swallowed some water!

[ROKCRLR]

Glad to hear that they're out! I hope there's not too much water damage.

Hey Glen, someone said that their Jeep was up to the bottom of the windows in the river. The trailer was probably in case it was too water logged to start.

[TRLR8TDTJ]

Maybe i missed something but why did they need to be trailered home? or was that just a incase the worst happend type deal?

I think water up to windows requires some fluids to be changed to prevent more damage.

Kyle

[azcharlie]

I just got home. I'll let Ben and Amber give the details. My bed is calling me.

[k7mto]

Big thanks to all who came out and all who offered.

I just got back home. The recovery went well. In fact we timed it perfect as the sun was just setting and it was very cool down by the river :)

I only got a few shots as I was busy winching but I know others got some too.
The Jeep was about 50 yards downstream of where he entered and up to the hood. While they may have some drying to do, they may have dodged a bullet as the dash never submerged and water may not have made it into the intake. We trailered them home as it was getting to dark to try and do any work on it there. Best left to daylight with proper tools/location.

Here are the only pics I took. First two as we found it. The last during the winching.

[GLEN REAMS]

I think water up to windows requires some fluids to be changed to prevent more damage.

Kyle

okay i guess what i ment too write was did they fry any wires, Lock up the engine? short out some things? I understand that after that some fluids need too be changed :D well Amber and Ben hope this is a cheap fix for you guys and nothing bad happened too your jeep.
-Glen

[ademster]

how in the world did you guys get in the water... looks like heavy trees lining that side of the river... did you driver out that way, and then turn around or what...

we need details...

[Wind_Danzer]

how in the world did you guys get in the water... looks like heavy trees lining that side of the river... did you driver out that way, and then turn around or what...

we need details...

I'm willing to bet that that water was flowing if they made it 50yrds down the river. I bet they floated down there some, I can't see Ben or Amber driving down there.

[DesertRat]

I had my wench on for one day, and it when fishing.
Simple extraction considering the current.
They were at least 100 feet from where they tried to enter.
Good think is they were all ok. Ben was a little cold from hooking up both wench lines.
Bed time..

[AZG23]

Glad you all got back home safe...........

[k7mto]

The current carried them down from where they entered.

The dome light came on when he put the key in to unlock the steering for the pull. Ben disconnected the battery cables once he was on dry land just to be sure nothing shorted out. He'll reattach them after he's had a chance to drail all the fluids from the engine, tranny, tcase, diffs, etc. and pulls the plugs and cranks it over to be sure nothing in the cylinders.

[desertrubi]

Glad everybody made it out ok.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

Glad to hear everybody is safe, Great to see the AZVJC Pull together and lend a hand! Good Job Guys

Jason

[David C]

Right on guys! Great job bringing them out of there. If I had seen the post sooner I would have been there. As it was, I would have arrived as they were coming out. Glad everyone is ok. That must have been a scary ride. Good luck drying it out - you probably sucked water into the engine but the good news is that it's a Jeep and the humidity here is about 9%! It will dry fast and once you change all your fluids it will fire right up and wheel again. There are lessons to be learned here, but I will not even address that. I will however make some pop corn and watch this thread tomorrow. :eek: :)

I have to say it again: I love how this group comes together to help someone in need. Great job.

[amber.hodge]

First off, thank you, grassyass, and way to go!!!!

We were humbled by the support we were given by the members of VJC...many of whom had never even met us. We were even more humbled to come home and read the 5 pages of support given by VJC members....

JOE WEST: I mentioned this on the trail, but I believe you need to make a new sticker that says "VJC vehicle recovery team" for the members who go out and do this on a day off, during work or whenever for total strangers that just happen to be jeepers....amazing.

Well, we opted to take the jeep to our apt, so we can wrench on it on our own schedule and not impose on anyone else - thank you so much for the offer though, Mike 77 CJ....! .........John, thanks for the ride home and the tow!!!! EVERYONE ELSE: (I'm too tired to recall all and don't want to risk leaving someone out)...you were all an amazing help and are great people to know.

Okay, for the back story everyone is wanting to hear about...................

We decided to run the FJ area, as you all know......
The trail guide said that the place we tried to ford the river was the only crossing....and as it turns out is the only legal one....there were people wading in the crossing area...I almost jumped out and waded in front of the jeep to make sure I was being a good spotter....
Ben looked at me and said "Wanna???"
I looked at Ben and said "(expletive) YEAH!!!"
Remi was in the back seat with the dog...I got back in the jeep (dumb me)...next thing I know, the jeep is some reenactment of "the Oregon Trail" gone wrong where they forgot to caulk the sides of the wagon......water is coming in the doors, my son is out of his seat, clinging to my headrest screaming "I HATE 4WHEELING - WE'RE GOING TO DIE! WE'RE GOING TO DIE!! IM NEVER GOING 4WHEELING AGAIN MAMA!!!!" Ben and I were saying expletives my son shouldn't have heard....the dog was freaking...then the jeep stopped....water up to the ashtrays...
People across the river could not get us pulled out with a chain and their truck....Ben took remi across the river, but I stayed in the jeep with the dog for 45 min, because she can't swim and the current was too strong/deep for me to take her...
Ben left with the man to drive for cell signal to call VJC for help....Got the dog and I to shore but not before a band of drunken 18 year olds stopped and laughed at me and took camera phone pictures....

Then the VJC arrived and all was well in the universe.....Wrenching shall commence tomorrow!!!

[Wind_Danzer]

Oh man, he's never gonna ever go wheeling again now. :D Poor kiddo I can see him saying just that too.

Glad all is ok and you are all safe. I'll give ya a holler after the doctor appointments to see if you want some help.

[David C]

I'll be there tomorrow to help you get it back up and running. I'll bring some tools and a towel. :D See ya in the morning.

[amber.hodge]

between 0830 and 0900 is the start, we'll wrench until it is done...Amber will be making lunch....or ordering pizza...either way! Kids welcome. PM us.

[AZG23]

I'll be there tomorrow to help you get it back up and running. I'll bring some tools and a towel. :D See ya in the morning.


Ill make the trek out...will bring a hair dryer :D:D see ya tomorrow...

[amber.hodge]

well, that is the one tool we have 2 of in this house...I even have the druish princess model -- lol!!

[amber.hodge]

Ben is saying it is my fault...and I quote "you should have been a good wife and told me no! You always let me do whatever I want!"

I confused.....

[GLEN REAMS]

See you guys in the morning.

[jporvaz]

Just made it home from dropping off the trailer. I'm tired. Alarm clock goes off in 2 hours......maybe I'll forget to set it:D

Amber and Ben, if I don't go in tomorrow, I'll stop by to try and lend a hand.

For the rest of the recovery team- Awesome- it was a pleasure meeting you. It's a great comfort knowing there is a great sense of teamwork with this club.

See you on the trail; keep the shiny side up.............. and dry :rolleyes:

[Triple-XJ]

Glad to hear you are back safe and sound. :)

[jbjarko]

Glad everyone made it home safe, if I didn't work today, I would be down for some wrenchin!

[JamesT]

I saw some pictures of that crossing taken a couple of weeks ago. I joked with the guy that showed them to me saying, why didn't you cross it? It was a joke. That water looked deep in pictures, so I can only imagine what it looked like in person.

Glad to hear all is well, from someone that has been in that sitatuation (http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/showthread.php?t=7767&highlight=submarine). AzVJC is great about coming to the rescue, just get some thick skin for a few years.

[ob1jeeper]

Good News, everyone is OK... With proper explanations of what you learned IE: what went wrong, and now that you have learned something new, you will not let that happen to yourselves, OR to him again, Remi will get over it in time.

Not much different than dealing with the bugs in his walls. Keep the explanations simple, and on his level. Why not make it his job to help you by asking him to let you know when he feels uncomfortable, before you try/do something. Then you will know what you need to do to help work him through it, and he will in turn learn that many things he's afraid of, are not as bad as they could be.

As for the tin...the Jeep can be made "good-as-new" with some replacement fluids, a bit of good old fashioned scrubbing, and some time to dry out...

Couple areas to add to the list of things to clean, as I'm sure many of your helpers will remember the vital under-hood and gearbox fluids, etc...;
- Take a garden hose and flush out the alternator, to get as much of the grit/silt from that dirty water out as is practical.
- Remove the dust shield from the clutch housing and do the same to that area also.
- Using the hose, also flush the many underbody floor stringers and supports out, to remove the accumulated grit and silt that would otherwise linger and hold moisture for a LONG time (leading to eventual rusting... yes, even here in the desert...)
- Add a can of "heet" or similar fuel line dry (also known as fuel de-icer in cold country) to the fuel to help absorb/dry any moisture that may have seeped into the fuel system. If you can't locate some over-the-counter fuel system drier, use approx 4-6 oz of de-natured alcohol (any hardware store will carry it), then top off the tank ASAPractical.
- In the interior, remove EVERYTHING that got wet, and wash it down REAL good to remove as much of the dirty water as practical, then do a final rinse with a solution of 3-5 gal water for each capful of household bleach, and/or make up a weak lysol/pinesol or similar solution (to kill the "grungies" that will begin to make it smell skunky after a few days...:( )
PS: If the seats are wet, remove the covers. It's a simple matter to unbolt the seats & remove the covers, then soak and squeeze the foam in clear water to get the "skunky" water out, then squeeze as much as practical out and let em dry for a minimum of 8-12 hours, or over-night if you can... same for any carpeting...(don't bother asking how I know this...:p :eek: :D )

When you put the seats back in, re-lube the slides with a light smear of white or lithium grease, then hang one of them small carboard type air freshners under the seat, to help with the aroma control...:eek: :D

I'm sure many others will have thoughts and experiences to share as well...

Once again, glad to hear that other than a bit of ego bruising, no one was physically injured...;)

[amber.hodge]

Well, I'm going to be physically injured by my command sergeant major tomorrow....I was on leave on Friday, and now I have to extend through the whole weekend to get today off....I actually told the truth and sent a proof picture along....he thinks I'm a total moron now....I can't say as I blame him!

[amber.hodge]

Okay, I'm with everyone else....I wanna see some pictures so I can get a good laugh at myself!

[YGOHOME]

I'm glad it turned out okay. scary!

[amber.hodge]

Especially with a kid and a dog (who now won't come out from under the bed - she's probably thinking "IDIOTS! I'VE BEEN ADOPTED BY IDIOTS!!") along for the ride. Poor kiddos.

[AZG23]

headin out in a few minutes.....see ya in 3 days when I get there...:D LOL!

[jbjarko]

Ya Brad, make sure you pack a lunch.

[AZG23]

Ya Brad, make sure you pack a lunch.



and a sleeping bag...and a change of.......LOL...

[David C]

Good morning everybody - I'm heading out in a few minutes too...and I'll probably beat Brad there! ;)

[amber.hodge]

headin out in a few minutes.....see ya in 3 days when I get there...:D LOL!

Used to live on that side. Remi is excited to play with another kid. Be safe coming from east LA! :D

[amber.hodge]

Good morning everybody - I'm heading out in a few minutes too...and I'll probably beat Brad there! ;)

I'd bet my jeep on it....

[amber.hodge]

Ya Brad, make sure you pack a lunch.

No lunch needed! we got a cooler full of diet and regular soda, beer, water, and I'm just about to make biscuits and gravy for the early boys and order pizza for lunch... :D

[jbjarko]

Beer, buscuits and gravyl...I may need to tell my boss there is an emergency.

[amber.hodge]

LOL :) husband is a little sad today and a greasy meaty helping of biscuits and gravy always makes him happy...I'll be starting on them in about 30 min :)

[ArizonaJeeper]

Wow, great to hear it all worked out and nice that everyone pulled together to help a fellow wheeler.
J

[Wind_Danzer]

Hey all I'm on the blackberry and don't see mention of the gurgle post. Anyway, Amber when I call later and you need me to come down, just let me know if you want me to get some more fluids or additives.
Hope all the wrenchin' is going well for now!

Number I'll be at is 602 421 8559

[Fire Ball]

As far as the boy and the dog, they will get over it if you do. Dunking your junk is a right of passage in 4 wheeling, not a catastrophe. As soon as you guys are ok with it, REM and DOG will also learn to be ok with it too. :)


Sounds like by the time I get home, all will be good again. Carrie is probably going to be busy Sat, maybe we can go get the rig dirty LOL

Oh and by the way, what works on most things that get dunked in the river, get some biocide from a dive shop and dunk the stuff you want cleaned in a clean plastic garbage can with some of the biocide to keep things from starting to stink.

Bill

[David C]

Oh man! The biscuits and gravy are gooooood! :)

So far, we have drained all but tranny and t-case. Water got into everything. Pulled the oil plug and a solid stream of clear water flowed for a good 10 seconds - more than a gallon! Both diffs had water and 4 of 6 plugs came out wet. Plug wires were nearly sealed on - probably the originals and need replacing anyways. We have opened all electrical connectors under the hood as well as fuse box and distributor cap and drying now. Ben and Kevin have gone to the parts store but we need one more question answered:

What fluids (and how much) or parts do we need for the manual tranny and t-case?

[offroadaz]

I would take it in and have the tranny flushed. Costs around $110 to have it done. A friend had his fill up with water and even after draining it and sucking fluids out with a shop vac we still couldnt get all the water out.

[David C]

Alright, decision has been made to flush the system.

[SavageSun4x4]

Alright, decision has been made to flush the system.

Pick up a six pack of WD 40 and of course you KNOW what the WD stands for, YES?...WATER DISPLACING.

1) Stick that red nozzle in everything you can find and squirt LIBERALLY. This is especially true of all electrical connections and inside you cylinders where you pulled your plugs.

Do this immediately if not sooner to get the water out and prevent corrosion.

2) Next and now comes the expensive part, get you Jeep on as flat a surface as you can find. Buy 5 oil drain pans, open up your drains for axles, TC, tranny, engine. Let drain for several hours, turn over your engine several times, it won't hurt it!

3) Repeat step 1) Be sure to inspect your PS pump for water/foam/white gooey stuff in it.

4) Along about noon or so replace the drain plugs and fill each with the proper amount of fluids. Find this info in the back of your owners manual or drop a note here and I or someone will send it to you ASAP. Now here comes the expensive part [assuming all else is ok]. REPEAT this step at about 100 miles or one week, which ever comes first.

5) Replace all the plugs, be sure that you shot WD 40 into the plugs to push out the water and dry them off. Hook up everything properly, battery, plug wires etc. DO NOT turn on key or attempt to start until you complete step 6).

6) Gather as many JEEP OWNERS as you have on site in front of your Jeep. Sink to your knees and ask, no, beg the Jeep GODS to shine favorably upon you and your Jeep and tell it you will never do it again.

7) Climb in Jeep, everyone hold hands and turn the key to the start position. Good chances are it will start and run fine forever more [assuming your engine was at IDLE when it ingested water].

8) If engine starts and makes a noise like someone is beating on a metal tub with a hammer...kill engine to mitigate further damage. Chances are you have broken a rod, bad news, good news, everything else should be ok.

This should work and take up no much more than this morning. How do I know it will work? Just ask! Your lucky, you could at least see you Jeep in the river, I had to dive down to find mine. I was crossing a river and suddenly I just dropped off into the abyss. We pulled it out, performed the steps above right at rivers edge, it started up, drove back, never had a problem with the electrical or any component of the driveline.

I am carless today or I would come over...

[TRobertsRN]

Re the Boy and the Dog.

Similar but different story. Boating. Freind and I owned a ski boat. His son's first trip was the first of the season when he was about 8. He could swim but not very well.

For the first time in 10 years I forgot the plug. Engine stalls at idle while sitting int the water and water is coming over the housing for the engine (I/O). Kid was already in a life vest and we were near shore but he was plenty scared. Got the bildge pump on and jumped in the water to put the plug in. Dropped it. Got spare plug in a swam to shore. Got the boat out let it drain and went out on the lake.

To keep the story short, it took time but he got over his fear. He did learn how to swim well at home, put the plug in the boat right before we left each time, and became a good skier and wake boarder.

Not only that but he is an A-10 pilot learning how to land on aircraft carrieres now.

We didn't press him but in time his friends wanted to ski and that go things started.

Good luck.

[papajeep]

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11233&stc=1&d=1180470006
5-30-07 030.jpg

[AZXJ]

Glad to rear everyone is safe and sound at home.. If you need any help let us know.

Dave
480-288-4213

[amber.hodge]

Hey all I'm on the blackberry and don't see mention of the gurgle post. Anyway, Amber when I call later and you need me to come down, just let me know if you want me to get some more fluids or additives.
Hope all the wrenchin' is going well for now!

Number I'll be at is 602 421 8559

I don't know...call ben at 602 214 1620 on your way.....so far we have oils and ATF and all sorts of other stuff

[amber.hodge]

Okay, so we have decided not to do the tranny flush since it is a manual, and instead run atf and fluid in there to get water out, then change in a day or so...the engine doesn't turn over yet, but did what hunter said with the plugs and turning it over....darned thing shot like a water cannon over the trees landing on jeeps 3 parking spaces over. We are still wrenching...have a ways to go, anyone is still welcome and you can still call ben at
602 214 1620

[NVRSTUKXJ]

Not only that but he is an A-10 pilot learning how to land on aircraft carrieres now.


the Air Force doesn't have carriers....and the A10 is an AF A/C.....http://virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11247&stc=1&d=1180472731

[4 Wheelers Supply]

Okay, so we have decided not to do the tranny flush since it is a manual, and instead run atf and fluid in there to get water out, then change in a day or so...the engine doesn't turn over yet, but did what hunter said with the plugs and turning it over....darned thing shot like a water cannon over the trees landing on jeeps 3 parking spaces over. We are still wrenching...have a ways to go, anyone is still welcome and you can still call ben at
602 214 1620

I wouldnt put any ATF in there at all. Just the recommended 10w30 synthetic.
Then change it again!!!!.


ATF belongs in the tcase only.

[David C]

I just got home, I have to run in to work. However, Amber and Ben's Jeep was purring like it was new when I left there. Both diffs serviced, cylinders cleared (fun to watch, too - wish we had a video cam for the water cannon show), new distributor cap, plugs and wires and oil pan drained all morning. Lots of WD40 on elec. connects, in cylinders and any other place we could use it (thanks Don). And thanks for all the advice from everyone! Still need to address the tranny and t-case but Ben will handle that. Work calls now. I'm glad to see that thing running and running well. I'm sure Amber will follow up with details and further progress. Brad and Kevin, nice to see you guys again and thanks for joining in.

[amber.hodge]

will run out and tell Jamie and ben....the wrenching has dwindled...much thanks to all that attended....we are firing up brauts and have beer if anyone still wants to stop by....could use some help with the tranny drain and replace....or just people who are hungry as I bought more food than needed! :D :o

[jbjarko]

Ya, NOOOO to ATF. Auto Tranny fluid, not manual. Chrysler recommends 10w30.

[amber.hodge]

we are manual.....

[DesertRat]

will run out and tell Jamie and ben....the wrenching has dwindled...much thanks to all that attended....we are firing up brauts and have beer if anyone still wants to stop by....could use some help with the tranny drain and replace....or just people who are hungry as I bought more food than needed! :D :o

Sorry I missed the brauts, dealing with my optima batty explosion at the moment. Really happy to see your rig running :)

btw, went to take pictures of the battery and my wife has the memory card at work.:( Made a phone call to optima and they gave me a "special" number to call and name....hum....

[amber.hodge]

LOL
Sorry bout that Mike!

Oh, now that it turns over, having major electrical problems...anyone in east valley wanna stop over who knows about brake lights/radio *not submerged at all* and other items of electrical nature?????

[k7mto]

Glad to hear it's running. Sounds like you are making great progress and learning much!

All future rescue threads will now be prefaced with "Amber Alert..."

[AZG23]

All those fuses should now be checked to see if any blew...you might need a meter or test light tot see whats getting juice and whats not...you may have popped the bulbs in the taillights...or the fuses for em...check those in the glove since they got wet...prolly find a few blown...

[DesertRat]

Glad to hear it's running. Sounds like you are making great progress and learning much!

All future rescue threads will now be prefaced with "Amber Alert..."

That is funny and not so funny :p

[amber.hodge]

LOL - in my favorite bar, the bartender yells "amber alert" when I come in...don't go there much now that I'm married though...

anyway, serious problem. trying to get the plug opened for the tranny to drain it. need bigger than a 7/8 socket...that is the biggest we have.

also, where is the fill hole for the transfer case.....
really could use some expertise out here...

[sms1688]

I believe the fill on the T case is on the back. I believe the transmisson bolt on mine was a 33mm socket. I dont know why it was metric. The electrical might have fryed the radio and possibly other things the. Even if it didnt get soaked. I am pretty goood with electrical but I work all night.

[AZG23]

http://www.vintagemusicprojects.com/jeep/servicemanuals/TJ99/ETJ_21.PDF

[amber.hodge]

hmmmmm amber alert...I like it, but the problem is newbies may confuse it for a child abduction....can we make it a "ben alert" since he was driving??????

[Fire Ball]

BENBER ALERT

Yeah I like it

[ROKCRLR]

BENBER ALERT

Yeah I like it

Benber, LOL.

I'm glad I was able to make it over and help you guys today. I'm really glad that we got that thing running. Hopefully you guys can chase out the electrical gremlins.

[JamesT]

The PS pump, transmission and the Tcase were the some of the hardest things to get water out of for me. Make sure to replace the brake fluid too, just in case.
The other thing I had a problem with was, sand getting in the cooling fins of the radiator. I am not sure how so much got in them, but it was a PITA to clean out.

[AZG23]

Benber, LOL.

I'm glad I was able to make it over and help you guys today. I'm really glad that we got that thing running. Hopefully you guys can chase out the electrical gremlins.


Yup....me too....

Glad I was able to make the trek out and able to wrench on it...was cool to see that water shoot 25 feet away! :eek:

[Joe West]

I'm glad everything worked out fine... this group simply pulls together like none I've ever been involved with. Simply amazing.

Joe

[ob1jeeper]

...anyway, serious problem. trying to get the plug opened for the tranny to drain it. need bigger than a 7/8 socket...that is the biggest we have....
http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/15/18/39/0900823d80151839/repairInfoPages.htm


...also, where is the fill hole for the transfer case.....really could use some expertise out here...

http://www.autozone.com/az/cds/en_us/0900823d/80/15/18/8e/0900823d8015188e/repairInfoPages.htm

While above links will say it's for a Cherokee... Same infor holds true for your Wrangler, as the components are basically the same, with minor differences in mounting, linkages, etc. only... Internals and basic housings/cases are the same..

Good Luck...;)

[David C]

BENBER ALERT

Yeah I like it

Funny. I like it too. Or it could be an Amben Alert. :confused:

Sorry I had to take off, Benber...Amben :confused: ...:D . I just finished work for the day and wanted to see how you're coming along. I felt pretty good about how your engine was running, I hope the electrical problems work out easily. I am not so good with electrical gremlins - I'm actually amazed my fog lights and Hellas work with my wiring job. I could come back tonight for a little while if you still need a hand - I know how to work a flashlight and tell if a fuse is blown. :rolleyes::D You have my number and I'm close.

And ob1jeeper, thanks for all the advice today - the 4xForce is strong in your family!

[ademster]

I got most of the electrical issues fixed.. all is left is the brake lights... they blew both bulbs... but the electrical junction block under the driver side dash behind the DLC is badly coroded..

I ran out of time working on it.. I was there till 10:30 I just got home..

THe brake light issue lies with in the junction block... or the brake light switch..

but the 3rd brake light works. but that runs on its own circuit.. so it actually could be the switch... BEN GO BUY A BRAKE LIGHT SWITCH

good night

[amber.hodge]

told him to buy it....thanks all for the help! updated as good as I can as tired as I am on the wrenching party thread. :) thanks all for helping....

another movie quote:

"I love it when a plan comes together!"

Benber would be preferred over amben if we have to get retarded celebrity couple combo nicknames! :D

[amber.hodge]

while wrenching today, I asked Remington if he would like to go 4 wheeling again if mama promised not to try to get washed down a river with the jeep.....he said no....I thought he hated wheeling...then he said he ONLY wants to go if we can get stuck in the river again!!! :eek: I asked if he would like 4wheeling if we didn't, he said "no"

Well, bill, will have work for you...electrical work.... :D

Ben has drill in prescott all weekend and will be gone...the dog goes to my brother in law's house, the boy goes to great auntie's and I go to drill in Phoenix.....NO-GO for wheeling :(

As far as the boy and the dog, they will get over it if you do. Dunking your junk is a right of passage in 4 wheeling, not a catastrophe. As soon as you guys are ok with it, REM and DOG will also learn to be ok with it too. :)


Sounds like by the time I get home, all will be good again. Carrie is probably going to be busy Sat, maybe we can go get the rig dirty LOL

Oh and by the way, what works on most things that get dunked in the river, get some biocide from a dive shop and dunk the stuff you want cleaned in a clean plastic garbage can with some of the biocide to keep things from starting to stink.

Bill

[Wind_Danzer]

Glad it's all so close to pulling together. Just hose out the interior, keep cleaning the carpet (Jeeps and the Crown Vic ;) ) and steaming the seats and it'll be good to go once the brake lights are finished up.

I'm glad I could help some today!!!

[YELACON]

all i can say is WOW. i just got back in town and saw this post and i am very proud to be a vjc member. i am also glad you guys are back and ok.

[xjstocker]

your brake light issue is probibly not the boo(brake on off) switch it most likely is in the turn signal switch it is true that the 3rd brake light is seperate from the turn brake lights. most comon fail i see normally is turn signal switch. but this is not a normal situation. i can swing by after work tonight and test it if you need me to. my cell is4802412328.