Sunflower Mine Trip

[samdog3]

SUN THE 27 07 DAY RUN
MEET AT THE SHELL GAS STATION ON SHEA IN FOUNTAIN HILLS
JUST OFF THE BEELINE ON SOUTH SIDE. TIME 8.00am ON TRAIL AT 9.00am OFF TRAIL 4 TO 5. CB4, ((( PLEASE HAVE GOOD TIRE,S TOE STRAP AND TOE HOOK,S.))))) MIN 30in RUBBER. THIS TRAIL IS EASY IF YOUR RIG IS IN GOOD SHAPE. IF NOT OTHER,S MUST TOE YOU TAKING THE FUN OUT AND
PUT STRESS ON THE TOEEES RIG. THE RUN IS RATED AT A 3.5 ,WITH WATER AND MUD IT,S HARDER. I WILL DO ALL I CAN TO HELP YOU ON THE TRAIL
NO 0NE WILL BE LEFT ON THE TRAIL

[idontknow]

i'll be there. shell at 8 then.

[amber.hodge]

SUN THE 27 07 DAY RUN
MEET AT THE SHELL GAS STATION ON SHEA IN FOUNTAIN HILLS
JUST OFF THE BEELINE ON SOUTH SIDE. TIME 8.00am ON TRAIL AT 9.00am OFF TRAIL 4 TO 5. CB4, ((( PLEASE HAVE GOOD TIRE,S TOE STRAP AND TOE HOOK,S.))))) MIN 30in RUBBER. THIS TRAIL IS EASY IF YOUR RIG IS IN GOOD SHAPE. IF NOT OTHER,S MUST TOE YOU TAKING THE FUN OUT AND
PUT STRESS ON THE TOEEES RIG. THE RUN IS RATED AT A 3.5 ,WITH WATER AND MUD IT,S HARDER. I WILL DO ALL I CAN TO HELP YOU ON THE TRAIL
NO 0NE WILL BE LEFT ON THE TRAIL

tow strap and tow hooks?????? we don't need no sinking tow stap and tow hooks! we made it through that rock garden running stock height, 31" tires, open/open ---- no frills and the 8x10 glossy to prove it ------ just need a good spotter. (thanks mike 77 cj5)

We'll be there....but mind you, we've earned the right to laugh/giggle/guffaw at anyone that is better than stock that can't make it without being towed....you just need to pick a good line. :p

[Mike 77 CJ5]

We'll be there. Meet you at the air down spot about 9:00 ( where I parked at last time Amber)

Mike, Natasha and Vicki

[amber.hodge]

We'll be there. Meet you at the air down spot about 9:00 ( where I parked at last time Amber)

Mike, Natasha and Vicki

We'll meet there too so we can visit while we wait for everyone else...you ready to tow? :D

[jbjarko]

I may be game, what time are we planning on being back?

[Mike 77 CJ5]

We'll meet there too so we can visit while we wait for everyone else...you ready to tow? :D

Yea, the radiator was 80% plugged, but she's runnig great now with $2200 worth of new injectors:mad:

[amber.hodge]

you got a bedtime? you remember that monday is a national holiday, right??? Last time we took a while and fired off a few clips in our XD before we left, so probably about 1700 at the latest?

[ademster]

I want to go... where do I go to meet ya'll Im comming from 38th st. and Mcdowell Im new here ( to PHX that is )

HELP!?!

Ohh yeah, I am installing front locking hubs tomorrow so I will have 4 wheel drive again

[amber.hodge]

if you want to meet at the station, you are going to come up to fountain hills the back way most likely - where you live in phoenix, you could really come either way you are so far south and east. The gas station is on the south ... the shell ... off the main drag in fountain hills. The airdown station is the first left hand turn up the hill after you pass bushnell tanks (i'll pm you the directions tomorrow if noone's posted by then)

[Fire Ball]

Hmmm now Sunday morning I think I can do. Don't have to be to work till like 6pm. I think I usually get home from the trail by 4pm. Give me 2 hours to get ready and sleep before going to work :)

[amber.hodge]

yay!!! I was hoping you and the missus would come, FIRBALL! :D

[jbjarko]

No no no, Nascar is on


Gotta watch the race:D

[amber.hodge]

oh my god....cuz nascar is so exciting...wow....500 left hand turns...Its so thrilling.
Actually, I'd be happier if they had a rock crawling competition...but I'll take watching grass grow over nascar. :) sorry barko....nascar second to wheeling....maybe even one millionth to wheeling in our home! (i think it comes in right after figure skating)

[amber.hodge]

oh, so that Fireball can get to work, what timeline are we running this thing in? I figure if we shoot for being done by 1500 or sooner, he'll be fine???

[Fire Ball]

Not committing yet but I'm very interested. Trouble is I'll be up all day and have to work all night. I Do get about 3 hours in LAS I can sleep and I'm only dead heading to LAS so I can sleep on the plane. Plus we can leave a little early if we need to. I'm gonna ask Carrie when she gets home. She is still at her meeting.

[EMTJEN15]

Can I make it in a stock 05 LJ Rubicon??

We maybe can come too, I have to talk to the hubby!

[amber.hodge]

what is that George Jones song...I don't need your rocking chair...."my but is old but I'm not impaired...might take a little longer but I'll get there".....
just get to bed at geriatric bedtime sat night :D they'll understand...you can blame it on turbulance...!!!

[amber.hodge]

Can I make it in a stock 05 LJ Rubicon??

We maybe can come too, I have to talk to the hubby!

yes, you may choose to bypass the rock garden, but the rest is fairly simple. rock garden we did lose our step down on the right hand side...well, I had to jump on it to knock it back out to where it wasn't bent hugely....
I'm sure you'll be fine. You have a better set up than we had (you bump anything, then you can convince the hubby on more mods...that's what I did with mine!!)

[Fire Ball]

This trail has 3 obstacles that are somewhat difficult and a rock garden with some pretty nasty boulders. The rest is mostly road. A stock vehicle will definitely drag metal and possible rocker damage. The lockers on a Rubi will definitely get you though but expect to drag the belly on several spots.

[ademster]

well amber thanks for the directions, but still didnt help.... as I said I am new here hahaha....

so someone give me a address of the shell gas station.... I will use my maps to get there.

[amber.hodge]

if you need topos, I can give you some for free fifty free, but after the trip. let me know which areas....

[Wind_Danzer]

ademster,

Take I-60 E to 87. North on 87 till you hit the Shea intersection. Make left. Take that road about a 1/2 mile and the shell station will be on the left.

I may go... debating right now.

[Fire Ball]

If I go I'll catch the train at the saguaro turn off again

[ademster]

Thanks Jamie

You should go...

I want to meet as many jeepers I can, been on the board for a while, but lived in flagstaff.. would be nice to put faces to usernames.

[Wind_Danzer]

Hopefully this headache that I have had all day will finally be gone by sunday so maybe. ;)

Depends on gas $$$'s too. :rolleyes:

[jporvaz]

I'd like to join in if you-all don't mind. Be a the Shell @ 8, CB4.

John

[amber.hodge]

looks like a good little trip (I have no prob with you joining jporvaz, common out)

[ademster]

I got the new manual locking hubs installed... I am good to go!

[amber.hodge]

you really won't need them, like I said, we got through it stock with no skid plates, no knockers, with no damage except the step downs that just got tweaked and hung down too low anyway. :)

[idontknow]

locking hubs? so do i smell a lincon locker?

[Mike 77 CJ5]

I got the new manual locking hubs installed... I am good to go!

I'm guessing that your old hubs were bad and you put in some new one's.

[idontknow]

oh yah an 82 did come with factory hubs. my bad

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Hey,
Does everyone want to keep lunch simple or stop long enough to burn some Hot Dogs??

[ademster]

yeah I busted the passenger side hub!!!

Amber... the hubs are what lock my front wheels in for 4 wheel drive

I dont liek to take the easy lines if I dont have too!

[Rogue XJ]

Sunday run? excellent. Last time I went with the group my rig was still darn near stock, so I headed back down with the Grand Cherokee once we left the mine. It's more aggressive now, so I shouldn't have a problem running the whole loop this time.
See ya there.
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'91 XJ, 3" rusty's lift, 31" procomps under generous front fender trimming, skyjacker shocks, econo rocker panel protection, open/open, homemade top rack, homemade front bumper, CB and yes, tow hooks and recovery strap (if the need arises).

Tim in Phoenix

[SEDONA RICK]

ADAM- I KNOW YOU COULD RUN THE WHOLE LOOP IN 2WD:rolleyes:
HAVE FUN SUNFLOWER IS A GREAT RUN.

[jr4asu]

Count me in... and the wifey if she done with her hangover!:D :D :D
Anyone heading out from north central phoenix that wants to meet along the way?

jake

[ademster]

ADAM- I KNOW YOU COULD RUN THE WHOLE LOOP IN 2WD:rolleyes:
HAVE FUN SUNFLOWER IS A GREAT RUN.



Dont be a smart arse Rick hahaha

I was impressed with me doing Broken Arrow, Greasy Spoon, and Cliffhanger in 2d:eek: :D

You should head down tomorrow bud.

[ademster]

Count me in... and the wifey if she done with her hangover!:D :D :D
Anyone heading out from north central phoenix that wants to meet along the way?

jake


I am heading there from 38st and Mcdowell!

is there somewhere we could meet between you and I... as I do not know exactly where to go... Just moved here.

[Mike 77 CJ5]

I am heading there from 38st and Mcdowell!

is there somewhere we could meet between you and I... as I do not know exactly where to go... Just moved here.

Take the 202 east to Country Club ( 87 ) north. If you pull over just past the Gilbert stop light we will be coming up Gilbert turning onto 87 at about 8:00 and you can follow. I will be towing my black CJ5 with my white ford truck

Mike

[samdog3]

I am heading there from 38st and Mcdowell!

is there somewhere we could meet between you and I... as I do not know exactly where to go... Just moved here.

LOOK AT THE MAP IT,S FOUNTAIN HILLS NORTH EAST TO THE BEE LINE HY 87 OR FOLLOW MIKE

SEE YOU AT THE SHELL

[jr4asu]

Take the 202 east to Country Club ( 87 ) north. If you pull over just past the Gilbert stop light we will be coming up Gilbert turning onto 87 at about 8:00 and you can follow. I will be towing my black CJ5 with my white ford truck

Mike

Ademster, your better off doing what Mike said, you right next to the 202... I'll probably take the 101 to Shea then into FH. It would be out of the way for either of us to meet up

[ademster]

i am callin ya mike...

[kend]

I'll join you folks. Turned my ankle a few days ago and wasn't sure I'd be ok to go, but it's doing pretty well today so sign me up. I'll be waiting on Beeline at the Bush Hwy intersection (road to Saguaro Lake), and will pick up your Shell/Shea "caravan" as you go by shortly after 8:00.

[EMTJEN15]

Hey guys,
We would like to tag along as well. Could we meet you guys at the the beeline/bush hwy. too?

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Should be passing by there at about 8:15

This looks like a good sized group. What are we looking at 10 - 15 Jeeps?

[ademster]

well.... I don't know if I am going to be able to go, I am short on money for fuel!

If I am there at the Shell station by 7:45am Im there, if I am not don't wait up

[kemolewis]

I'm out, jeep broken, I wanted to go to this sux looks like I get to spend the long weekend wrenching

[Tirith]

I was looking for something to run on Sunday, so I will join y'all. See you at 8am at the Shell!

[amber.hodge]

Just got back from camping for 2 nights up on the Mogollon....We are wiped out. Have no clean clothes (well, I do, but the boys don't)...may have to take a rain check on tomorrow. In the case that we do take a rain check, we will probably want to run it 2 weeks from today.

[Mike 77 CJ5]

WIMPY

[Mike 77 CJ5]

We will meet you guys at the air down at about 8:45

[Mike 77 CJ5]

well.... I don't know if I am going to be able to go, I am short on money for fuel!

If I am there at the Shell station by 7:45am Im there, if I am not don't wait up

I'll give ya $10 for gas

[jporvaz]

well.... I don't know if I am going to be able to go, I am short on money for fuel!

If I am there at the Shell station by 7:45am Im there, if I am not don't wait up



I'll pitch in!
John

[amber.hodge]

WIMPY

I know, I know...but...My poor husband doesn't have a single clean pair of underwear or shorts, my son has no clean jammas or underwear or shorts. He goes to his dad's first thing Monday AM. I cannot just blow off my responsibilities as a wife and a mother to go play. I have a kitchen and bathroom to scrub, clothes to wash and fold and other household chores that need to be done so the boys can have a clean house and clothes.

Sorry!!! I'd love to put it off till monday, but I cannot stand living in a mess and Remi and Ben need clean clothes tomorrow not Monday. :D We'll be up for a run with you and the fam two weeks from today...believe me - putting off wheeling is not an easy thing to do for us!

[Mike 77 CJ5]

WA WA WA If the washing machine is working right now they will have clothes for Monday. You will have to come up with something better that. Like maybe a family member died, your in the hospital, I don't know, something good:cool:

[amber.hodge]

I'm really tired, have clothes in the wash, but a mountain of clothes that need to be washed that are literally a foot and a half deep through the laundry room and 3 feet into our bedroom. It is alive, it is a monster, and I must destroy it....no amount of jeering will keep me from defeating the laundry monster tomorrow. :D (there was no embellishment on how bad the laundry is behind there...ben had to go camping with no clean underwear along...I have to do laundry!) :( bad wifey!! bad! :D

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Just say it" wimpy" and we will all understand

[Fire Ball]

Well we are out too. Too many jeeps going to get back here by 4pm so I could go to work not to mention Sgt Hodge and her boys wore us out this weekend drinking beer, skipping rocks in the lake, flying kites and going on magical adventures. Plus I fought off dozens of star wars characters :D

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Glad ya'll had a good time. See you next time

( I'm just messin with Amber )

[ademster]

I will be there.... I am at a 1/4 tank of fuel... I really want to hits some trails here... this should be a good start... maybe i can talk the wife ino letting me dip in the rent money.. and reinurse it on the 5th

[ademster]

Shell Gas station
1166 N Higley Rd, Mesa, AZ
(480) 396-7080


is that the Shell statio we're meeting at?

Nevermind thats not it... hahaha

[ademster]

are these directions good!!!

from my house quickest route from what I gather is

turn east onto Mcdowell from 38th st. hit Beeline ( 87 ) hwy head north/northeast on 87 and turn left onto Shea Blvd?

and ya'll will be there at the shell station?

[jporvaz]

If you're reading this before you leave, the part about N on 87 to Shea is correct. I don't know if McDowell is the fastest from where you're at, but it should get you there.

John

[amber.hodge]

Glad ya'll had a good time. See you next time

( I'm just messin with Amber )

I wish I were out jeeping. I wish I were out jeeping. I wish I were out jeeping!

Laundry monster almost defeated...taking break I really shouldn't be taking...Husband is buying me a present...steam vac...so he and the boy can go take the boy to the park and I can clean all the carpets while I'm cleaning everything else...At least medical studies show housework prevents breast cancer...it still sucks!

I wish I were out jeeping...I wish I were out jeeping...

[ademster]

Well Mike Thanks for leading the three of us on the trail... I had a blast...


My jeep cut out on me 2 more times after the first time when you passed me...

im thinking the wiring for the CPS is getting to hot where it is routed causing to high of resistance in the wiring and the injector pulses are getting confused...

I stp leave the fans on and it cools down a little and fires right back up..when I get to work on tuesday I will have to remember to grab my 4 channel osciloscope to see hwtas going on..

anyhow we dont have any pictures to provide well due to we didnt take the time to stop and take pictures.

I had a blast though.... I would like to do this again with in a few months... and take the wife with me...


Adam

[jr4asu]

X2 thanks Mike for leading, I hope the other part of the group had a good trip too. It was nice meeting all of you. Hope to do it again sometime. :)
jake

[kend]

Joe Samdog3 led an 8-Jeep entourage on a leisurely tour today on a beautiful day. He's a terrific tourguide, everybody got through smoothly, and it was a great time. Thanks, Joe!

. . . and Firball, sorry you backed out at the last minute. As it turned out we were aired up and leaving by about 2:00, so you might have had as much as 3 hours to sleep for your work-night :) I still have your $500 jack bolt - we'll have to do Woodpecker or something on one of your days off.

[jporvaz]

[QUOTE=kend;182961]Joe Samdog3 led an 8-Jeep entourage on a leisurely tour today on a beautiful day. He's a terrific tourguide, everybody got through smoothly, and it was a great time. Thanks, Joe!


X2. Samdog3- thank you.
To all who I had an opportunity to meet- thanks for the introduction to the AZVJC (this was my first run with the club).
I will post what pics later today or tomorrow.

John

[Fire Ball]

See how you guys are! I wish we could have gone but I slept till around noon and then we went to Shrek with my 2 nieces (6 and 9) It was fun.

The $.35 bolt is doing fine for now. :) We'll get out and do it again soon. but I think July I'm gonna be a little greedy trying to make a little more money.

Bill

[amber.hodge]

I'm sad I couldn't go....got the laundry done and the whole house steam cleaned...and even tricked Ben into cleaning the kitchen...actually, I threatened him with bodily harm.....! But it would have been nice to go...next time...

[ademster]

Luckily I don't have to clean, only have to move big heavy items the wife can't we usually keep a tidy house.

I know... it wont last long.

but you missed out Amber...we have a fantastic time....

[amber.hodge]

Luckily I don't have to clean, only have to move big heavy items the wife can't we usually keep a tidy house.

I know... it wont last long.

but you missed out Amber...we have a fantastic time....

We usually do also, but with both of us working 40-50 hours a week with a dog and a boy and 4wheeling or camping every weekend lately....things get backed up...yeah, it won't last long...wait until your wife has to run around behind a toddler boy all day once he is walking/running...!:eek:

[Tirith]

Another shout-out to Samdog for leading the trip today. He's an excellent tour guide. :cool:

Great to meet everyone too! We had an excellent group with an awesome mix of rigs. It was fun wheeling with CJs, XJs, and the JK. I really liked the two XJs that were in the group... Very nice setups on both.

Thanks again all!

[desertdawg]

Come on guys did anybody take pics!

[ademster]

I did but isnt anyting special... just me posing on a rock

I will post up shortly

[ademster]

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[idontknow]

thanx everyone for making my first vjc outing very enjoyable the only thing that wasnt so great was my needy jeep. SAMDOG thanks for leading and giving all the history that was awsome! good news though i made it to a garage with tools and got the power steering taken care of, now i need to work on the carb and some good tires! here are my pics but all the good ones are in my head due to slow shutter but here is what i got.


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[samdog3]

The Sun Flower Mutiny
The Story . . .
The Trip Was Originally Set For Sun June 3.i Had Some Jeepers Say That They Could Not Make It On That Date. So I Changed The Date To Sun May 27, At Some Inconvenience To Me. ( Grand Daughter,s Birthday).

You Guessed It . . . They Were The First To Drop Out.well That,s Ok It Is An Informal Club ,but I Did Change The Date For Them.

When I First Realized . . .
We All Met At The Shell Starting Ap 7:45 To 8:00 As Planned. We Waited Til 8:15 As Planned. As I Walked To My Jeep. I Said I Needed A Radio Check - Some Knobs Had Been Turned. I Looked At My Cb Adjusting The Knobs On A 10 Count, When I Looked Up To Back Out -everyone Was Gone . . . So Much For Following The Trip Leadeer To The Trail Head And Air-down Spot . . .

Boy, Am I Stupid . . .
I Finally Caught Up To The Pack And The New 'leader' Just As They Went Through The First Gate, They All Pulled Over. There Were About 11 Jeeps In The Group. I Was The Last One In, So I Passed Them Up And Went To The Air-down Spot. I Aired Down Took A Leak
Waited . . No One . .no One . . .

So, Back Down The Road To Find Out What Happened . . . No One Knew. So, Back Down To The Air-down Spot . . .then They All Came Trickling In.
So, I Ask (sarcastically) Who Is Leading This Trip? Oh, I Will. Said The New 'trail Leader' Claiming To Know The Trail. I Said Fine, I Will Go Home. The New 'leader'left With 2 Jeeps Following Him And Went On The Trail. That Left 8 Jeeps Counting Me. Those That Stayed Wanted Me To Lead, Afteer All, I Had Set Up The Trip. Some Said They Came To Ride With Me. They Did, And, We Had A Good Time And Went To A Couple Of Spots That The Others Did Not Know About.

Witth That Said I Feel Better; I Am Uncertain If I Will Ever Post Any Runs For All To See.

I Still Got To My Grand Daughter's Birthday Party - A Few Hours Late.
Joe //////samdog3

[amber.hodge]

Joe,
I can say I must have been the first to pee in your cheerie ohs this morning when Ben and I opted to make the difficult choice of staying home to take care of responsibilities instead of wheeling after letting you know that I couldn't wheel on the 3rd of June. I'm sorry it was the pebble that started the avalanche of bad things in a bad day for you. Things do happen to come up and sometimes we cannot control being too behind on stuff. :(

I wouldn't, however, let one bad day cause you to boycott posting runs. Things do happen and the more we try to control them, the less control we find we actually have. Its not a personality contest, its not a glamour show - its wheeling - an escape from drama and the city life - we should all enjoy together and not sweat the small stuff....again, sorry to have started you off to a bad day.

[Rogue XJ]

Ain't it the truth.

Hats off to Joe for patience enough to see the rest of us (who stayed with him as originally planned) through an terrific outing.

I speak for myself when I say that losing an excellent leader such as Joe would be a loss to the whole feeling of this club.

This was my second outing with the club, and plan on more in the future. The group I went with today was an excellent one, and I'm glad that those even newer than I to the club had a good time too.

Thanks Joe, and to all those I wheeled with today... see ya later. :)

Tim in Phoenix
(here's the only Jeep related pics I managed to squeeze off today....)

[Mike McCarville]

Joe, keep posting, please... I didn't know what happened at the Shell station. I did not go there as I live in the east valley and went up the Bush Highway to 87. Met up with three others to wait for the group to go by, only we thought we missed you, so we took off for the trail, only we were actually early. My boys and I had a great time on the trail. Thanks for leading the group and Conor thanks you for the Oreos.
Mike, Red YJ

[jporvaz]

Note: I have never been accused of being a professional photographer.. :D

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[samdog3]

Thanks To All Who Follow Me And The Support

Old ....ridged....@........set In My Ways

[jr4asu]

Joe, if I upset you in anyway I apologize. I was the tail jeep in the three that left early. However, I really did not what was going on because you told my wife and I that you were going home. As to the first or second gate, air down spot and people parking their trucks, we stopped with everyone else. I had never been to the Sunflower trail before so I was just following the others.

As to you not wanting to post trips anymore that's your progative, but I think it would be a shame.

Once again I am sorry if I upset you for leaving ahead of you. But I did have fun 4 wheeling with the two other guys.

[ademster]

Joe, if I upset you in anyway I apologize. I was the tail jeep in the three that left early. However, I really did not what was going on because you told my wife and I that you were going home. As to the first or second gate, air down spot and people parking their trucks, we stopped with everyone else. I had never been to the Sunflower trail before so I was just following the others.

As to you not wanting to post trips anymore that's your progative, but I think it would be a shame.

Once again I am sorry if I upset you for leaving ahead of you. But I did have fun 4 wheeling with the two other guys.

X2 it was my first ru, I heard you and Mike talking trying to figure out who was going to lead.. so he said he would.. he started rolling, so I caught up behind him, and so did jr4asu, it was a shame we all separated... we tried several time to contact you ll on the cb, to have ya'll catch up.. but you decided either not to respond or changed channels...


I didnt miss out on anything, not having a big group made it alot more fun... I had a blast.. and would love to do this trail anytime with Mikey leading and jr4asu in the group... it was ablast.




thanks Mike for the tour of the sunflower Mine trail...

[EMTJEN15]

I also wated to say thanks for the run yesterday. My husband and I had a really good time. I have some pictures if anyone would like me to send them to you. Let me know.

[Fire Ball]

Joe, one thing I learned a long time ago, do your runs on your schedule because there will always be people who can't make it, say they will and don't show, and those who say can't and then do show up.

If I ever post saying I can't make it, I'm not asking you to change the date, just letting you know I'm dissapointed I can't join your group. I hope no one would ever change their plans based on one of my posts. It would be flattering but un necessary since I have a very strange schedule compared to most people.

I enjoy wheeling on your runs and if the others bailed on you it is their loss especially on a first run since I know you give a good narrative about the area.

Hoping I'm not one of the problem children,

Bill

P.S. We WILL make one of the night runs even if I have to have a headache one day ;)

[ademster]

I am not saying anything bad about Joe, I was just under the impression that Mike was taking over and gonna lead the trail...


it was just a huge misunderstanding onmy part...

and I learned alot fromt his trail through MIke...


We will have to do it again, sometime soon...

thanks

[Mike 77 CJ5]

The Sun Flower Mutiny
The Story . . .
The Trip Was Originally Set For Sun June 3.i Had Some Jeepers Say That They Could Not Make It On That Date. So I Changed The Date To Sun May 27, At Some Inconvenience To Me. ( Grand Daughter,s Birthday).

You Guessed It . . . They Were The First To Drop Out.well That,s Ok It Is An Informal Club ,but I Did Change The Date For Them.

When I First Realized . . .
We All Met At The Shell Starting Ap 7:45 To 8:00 As Planned. We Waited Til 8:15 As Planned. As I Walked To My Jeep. I Said I Needed A Radio Check - Some Knobs Had Been Turned. I Looked At My Cb Adjusting The Knobs On A 10 Count, When I Looked Up To Back Out -everyone Was Gone . . . So Much For Following The Trip Leadeer To The Trail Head And Air-down Spot . . .

Boy, Am I Stupid . . .
I Finally Caught Up To The Pack And The New 'leader' Just As They Went Through The First Gate, They All Pulled Over. There Were About 11 Jeeps In The Group. I Was The Last One In, So I Passed Them Up And Went To The Air-down Spot. I Aired Down Took A Leak
Waited . . No One . .no One . . .

So, Back Down The Road To Find Out What Happened . . . No One Knew. So, Back Down To The Air-down Spot . . .then They All Came Trickling In.
So, I Ask (sarcastically) Who Is Leading This Trip? Oh, I Will. Said The New 'trail Leader' Claiming To Know The Trail. I Said Fine, I Will Go Home. The New 'leader'left With 2 Jeeps Following Him And Went On The Trail. That Left 8 Jeeps Counting Me. Those That Stayed Wanted Me To Lead, Afteer All, I Had Set Up The Trip. Some Said They Came To Ride With Me. They Did, And, We Had A Good Time And Went To A Couple Of Spots That The Others Did Not Know About.

Witth That Said I Feel Better; I Am Uncertain If I Will Ever Post Any Runs For All To See.

I Still Got To My Grand Daughter's Birthday Party - A Few Hours Late.
Joe //////samdog3

BS

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I am speechless this kind of thing happened on Joe's trip today. After reading all the OFFTOPIC drama that took place prior to the run it would have made me think there could be possible issues with this run. Joe is a great friend of mine that is a awsome trip leader..Shame on the folks that had HIjacked Joe's trip and decided to take over...I don't know what would have happened if I were there and most likely would have had a few choice words for those that Hijacked the trip. This kind of behavior is not warrented here and will possibly have a negative side effect: "Phantom trail rides"
What are these phantom trail rides???? Well lets see I pm Joe, then OHioTJ and a few others That I'm close to and choose to do our own thing. Then some of the VJC members see a trail report on a trip that was never posted for others to meet and enjoy the history of these trails. If this is the way you pefer to do it, Thats ok. Your doing a dis-service to future VJC members by HIjacking a trailrun.....

.02

Jason:mad:

[Mike 77 CJ5]

Joe pulled up and said he was going home. He was acting like a 5 year old. We pulled up to the split and I offered to run tail gunner and the leader got ****ty, so I left and 2 other jeeps went with me.

[Jdemonto@Airpark Jeep Sales]

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone..I was not there

Just remember to follow the golden rule while on trail runs, we are all out to have a great time and not going to hit the trail to get into a arguement.

Jason

[samdog3]

Let,s Drop The ..it