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409 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 4:16pm
Subject: Battle Axe Run.
Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
Later,
Jeffrey
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410 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Nick - More trail info sources
I have done the north part of it and the trail over Cow Flat Mtn. Watched
Steve push around some refrigerator-sized boulders with his truck.
Definitely an overnight trip!
Linda
<36a7f5fb.c4-@p...> wrote:
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> Revolvr@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/99 7:35:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> > minihummer@w... writes:
> >
> > >
> > > I forgot another great source for trails. Arizona Highways magazine! They
> > > have
> > > been running articles on back country trails since 1993. I think they have
> > > these
> > > articles on-line at their website. I know their hiking trail articles are
> > > there.
> >
> > They had a good article a few months back on the Cherry Creek Road which
> > parallels the Sierra Ancha Wilderness. Probably a class 3. I would like to try
> > this. It may be long enough for an overnight camping expedition.
> >
>
> I've done this, and was going to suggest it for this spring. It'd be an
> excellent overnite. This is a VERY scenic trail... light class 3...fine
> for stock. Camping up in the Sierra Anchas is quite good...up in the
> pines. There's one spot I know that's good for a number of tents...next
> to a nice stream.
>
> How's March sound??? Of course, I'd go any time. I enjoy cold weather
> camping, so sooner works for me.
>
> Doug
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411 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Battle Axe Run.
I am expecting about 20 vehicles. This trail can handle a big group
problems. The coke ovens area is a bit tight, but we'll fit!
Linda, trip leader
Drk Blue ZJ
<001a01be4665$bbb69960$0200a8c-@98machine> wrote:
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>
> Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
> Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
> here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
>
> Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
>
> Later,
> Jeffrey
> "...it's all fun and games until
> someone loses an eye......"
> Jeepin' in AZ - http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
>
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412 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Tomorrow's Run
I hate to do this, but I've got a sick kid at home and I'm going to have to
bow out of tomorrow's run. It was already questionable after my other son
broke his arm playing football last weekend. Oh, the life of a parent. ;-)
My kids keep me hopping, but I wouldn't trade them for anything. Anyway, just
wanted to let you know not to be looking for me tomorrow. Have fun, and take
lots of pictures. Should be the largest group of jeeps so far. Wish I could
be there.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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413 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 1:27pm
Subject: Must bow out
Can't make tomorrow's run! Very disappointed - the new tires are going to miss
the event too!
But, i'm sure everyone will appreciate me not getting them sick!
Melinda
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414 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 7:45pm
Subject: Re: Battle Axe Run.
Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
> Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
> here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
>
> Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
>
> Later,
> Jeffrey
I'll be there, and may bring a friend w/a CJ.
DougB
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415 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 10:17pm
Subject: Sat.
I'll be there.
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416 From: Cindy K Langdon <cindy.langdon@j...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 3:05pm
Subject: Sat run
Hey all!
Sorry but Yucca-man and family won't be able to make the trip tomorrow!
We have a few small problems with the Cherokee that should be looked at
before we break anything! Y'all have fun now! See you for the next
trip!
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417 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 6:57am
Subject: Coke Ovens Run
We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
accessories.
As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
potentials for future runs.
During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
time of year, but that's part of the fun.
Wadda ya think??
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418 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:49am
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I thought they would be.
I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted and Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@p...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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419 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:50am
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I thought they would be.
I didn't expect the National Guard on the road. My tailgunners, Ted and Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@p...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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420 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 4:28am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
In a message dated 1/24/99 8:49:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
minihummer@worldnet.att.net writes:
> I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted
and
> Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on
the
> part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd
OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a "Sammy"?
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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From: minihummer@w...
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:49:38 -0000
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let
this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things
went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I
thought they would be.
I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted and
Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the
part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@prodigy.net> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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421 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 11:59am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
A dues and a half is one of those big military cargo trucks, the ones with
like 6 wheels the size of small tractor tires. A Sammy is a Suzuki Samuri.
Regards,
Jeffrey
"...it's all fun and games until
someone loses an eye......"
Jeepin' in AZ - http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
>
>OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a "Sammy"?
>
>Dan McFarlane
>97TJ
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422 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:23am
Subject: Sorry to have missed it
I'm sorry to have missed the outing. Hope to make the next one, have to get
over a highly contagious bug first (everyone i'm sure is gratefull i skipped
this one)
Very game for an overnighter - my poor tent thinks I've forgotten it exists.
Melinda
97TJ (with still virgin tires)
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423 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 10:01am
Subject: Coke Oven History
Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard they
were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
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424 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 3:32pm
Subject: Re: Coke Oven History
CoyotEddie@a... wrote:
>
> Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard they
> were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
>
>
As I recall, there is some debate as to what they were built for. Some
say to produce coke, some say to make charcoal. My guess is
charcoal...but it's just a guess. They look just like charcoal kilns
I've seen in Ohio, and coke is made from coal...of which there is none
any where near the Gila. Also, the production of coke requires very high
temperatures, and I wonder if these could withstand that kind of heat.
I'd also be curious if there is more info out there on them.
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425 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Coke Oven History
At 04:32 PM 1/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>CoyotEddie@a... wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard
they
>> were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
>>
>>
>
>As I recall, there is some debate as to what they were built for. Some
>say to produce coke, some say to make charcoal. My guess is
>charcoal...but it's just a guess. They look just like charcoal kilns
>I've seen in Ohio, and coke is made from coal...of which there is none
>any where near the Gila. Also, the production of coke requires very high
>temperatures, and I wonder if these could withstand that kind of heat.
>
>I'd also be curious if there is more info out there on them.
>
Probably either coke or charcoal could be used to power
the smelters back then.
>Doug
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426 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 9:27pm
Subject: Sat. etc
Can anyone send me the email addresses of the other clubs? There was a guy, Green truck, Red Sweater that I needed to finish a conversation with him about a relative. Didn't get his name or where he was from though.
I think I will find me a tire patch kit somewhere also, thinking about how secure some extended brake lines would make me feel to! :)
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427 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 10:49pm
Subject: Re: road rage survey featuring SUVs
At 06:11 PM 1/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Thought you might enjoy checking this one out. It is an internet survey
>being taken on road rage by Leon James, a professor of traffic
>psychology at U of Hawii-Manoa. According to James, drivers of SUVs
>tend to be more aggressive -- quicker to tailgate, speed or change lanes
>without signalling. I don't know about you, but my ZJ would be too
>easily recongnized for me to get away with doing things like that so I
>do the speed limit, use my signals, and try not to do anything really
>stupid!
>
We are no better or worse than any other drivers. It's just that,
with our four inch suspension lifts, two inch body lifts, heavy duty lifting
shackles, double front shocks, heavy duty winch kits, monster tires,
camoflauge paint jobs, and light bars on top, we just LOOK a bit more
bad-***. =)
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428 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
Well, I had a lot of fun on my first trip. I met several other
first-timers, including Eric and family in their red XJ, and a couple of
guys from Luke AFB in their red and white YJs (If you read this, I can't
remember your names. I'm the guy in the Desert Sand TJ). I also met a
couple of people from the Dust (Dirt?) Devils club. I did get a chance to
meet Linda, and I talked to Doug B. just long enough to grill him about his
TJ upgrades. Hopefully I didn't irritate him too much.
My hats off to Linda for leading such a large group. I was suprised at how
smoothly it went given the number of vehicles. I look forward to a run with
just VJCers (or at least a lot less vehicles) so that some of us newcomers
have a better opportunity to become aquainted with the regulars from this
group.
Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your Jeep
is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
Later,
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429 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
"Deuce-and-a-half" is what they called the older ones, since the capacity
was two and a half tons. The newer 5-tons I drove in Saudi and stateside
have a 5-ton off-road capacity, or can tow 10-tons. They can carry
10-tons on-road. Glad to hear you guys missed them. I saw one incident
of a 5-ton backing over a Dodge Colt, and it wasn't a pretty sight.
Jim
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:59:32 -0700 "Jeffrey" <jeffrey@a...>
writes:
>A dues and a half is one of those big military cargo trucks, the ones
>with
>like 6 wheels the size of small tractor tires. A Sammy is a Suzuki
>Samuri.
>
>Regards,
> Jeffrey
>"...it's all fun and games until
> someone loses an eye......"
>Jeepin' in AZ - http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
Yeah, after someone loses an eye, it's just fun...
Jim
>
>
>
>>
>>OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a
>"Sammy"?
>>
>>Dan McFarlane
>>97TJ
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430 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 10:56pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
In a message dated 1/25/99 8:46:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
jhershau@SalesLogix.com writes:
> Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
> past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
> inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
> vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
> gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your
Jeep
> is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
>
> Later,
> Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
Yep, I did almost exactly the same thing a couple of years back with a group
on a Crown King run. I think it became a "true Jeep" that day. Looking
forward to meeting you and some of the other new members on one of the next
trips. I'm one of the folks who had to cancel just before Saturday's run,
otherwise it would have been an even LARGER group. Sounds like everyone had
fun, though. Later.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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To: "'az_vjc@egroups.com'" az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:44:31 -0700
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens Run
Well, I had a lot of fun on my first trip. I met several other
first-timers, including Eric and family in their red XJ, and a couple of
guys from Luke AFB in their red and white YJs (If you read this, I can't
remember your names. I'm the guy in the Desert Sand TJ). I also met a
couple of people from the Dust (Dirt?) Devils club. I did get a chance to
meet Linda, and I talked to Doug B. just long enough to grill him about his
TJ upgrades. Hopefully I didn't irritate him too much.
My hats off to Linda for leading such a large group. I was suprised at how
smoothly it went given the number of vehicles. I look forward to a run with
just VJCers (or at least a lot less vehicles) so that some of us newcomers
have a better opportunity to become aquainted with the regulars from this
group.
Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your Jeep
is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
Later,
Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
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431 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:04pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
Gee! All I did was roll up the windows and set the A/C to 70-deg! ;)
The dust was almost as thick as pea soup. If I had known the Natl Guard was
going to be out there we would have headed towards US60 instead!
Linda
<aca97915.36adad7-@a...> wrote:
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> In a message dated 1/25/99 8:46:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> jhershau@S... writes:
>
> > Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
> > past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
> > inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
> > vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
> > gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your
> Jeep
> > is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
> >
> > Later,
> > Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
>
> Yep, I did almost exactly the same thing a couple of years back with a group
> on a Crown King run. I think it became a "true Jeep" that day. Looking
> forward to meeting you and some of the other new members on one of the next
> trips. I'm one of the folks who had to cancel just before Saturday's run,
> otherwise it would have been an even LARGER group. Sounds like everyone had
> fun, though. Later.
>
> Dan McFarlane
> 97TJ
>
>
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432 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:07pm
Subject: Date problem
How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
Linda
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433 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Date problem
minihummer@w... wrote:
>
> How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
>
> Linda
>
Y2K?? :)
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434 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Date problem
At 03:07 AM 1/27/99 -0000, you wrote:
>How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
>
Flashback? =)
>Linda
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435 From: <jeepcj8@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 28, 1999 8:22pm
Subject: Hello from New Member
Hi everyone, I am currently working on my Scrambler (not running yet)
and I have signed up for the All 4 Fun in Fairplay, CO this summer. I am
hoping my Jeep will be finished by then. Have installed the 304 & 999
transmission, am currently fighting the fuel tank to install the Holley
Pro Jection. Have a Ford 9" and Dana 44 standing by to be narrowed.
One thread at a time....
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436 From: ken unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Fri Jan 29, 1999 2:56pm
Subject: New Member
Hi,
I just joined and I am looking forward to going on one of your runs in
the future.
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437 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 30, 1999 1:55am
Subject: Re: New Member
In a message dated 1/30/99 12:03:59 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jeep108@h... writes:
> Hi,
> I just joined and I am looking forward to going on one of your runs in
> the future.
>
Welcome Ken! What part of town do you live in, and what are you driving? Ya
know, it seems like this group has grown so large that we should almost be
able to have a run going every weekend. How many people are currently in the
group Dan/Doug?
Dan McFarlane
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438 From: <TLCU72096@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 30, 1999 3:25am
Subject: Off subject - seeking input...
<A HREF="http://www3.mcps.k12.md.us/users/rsfay/magic/index.html">Click here:
Welcome to my Cave!!!</A>
I received this link, and i tried it. Can anyone figure out how this trick
works? It seems to get it right everytime I try it. Any input would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Larry & Tammy Curell
94 YJ - Tranny is getting repaired.
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409 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 4:16pm
Subject: Battle Axe Run.
Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
Later,
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410 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 5:25pm
Subject: Re: Nick - More trail info sources
I have done the north part of it and the trail over Cow Flat Mtn. Watched
Steve push around some refrigerator-sized boulders with his truck.
Definitely an overnight trip!
Linda
<36a7f5fb.c4-@p...> wrote:
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> Revolvr@a... wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 1/21/99 7:35:03 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> > minihummer@w... writes:
> >
> > >
> > > I forgot another great source for trails. Arizona Highways magazine! They
> > > have
> > > been running articles on back country trails since 1993. I think they have
> > > these
> > > articles on-line at their website. I know their hiking trail articles are
> > > there.
> >
> > They had a good article a few months back on the Cherry Creek Road which
> > parallels the Sierra Ancha Wilderness. Probably a class 3. I would like to try
> > this. It may be long enough for an overnight camping expedition.
> >
>
> I've done this, and was going to suggest it for this spring. It'd be an
> excellent overnite. This is a VERY scenic trail... light class 3...fine
> for stock. Camping up in the Sierra Anchas is quite good...up in the
> pines. There's one spot I know that's good for a number of tents...next
> to a nice stream.
>
> How's March sound??? Of course, I'd go any time. I enjoy cold weather
> camping, so sooner works for me.
>
> Doug
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411 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 5:31pm
Subject: Re: Battle Axe Run.
I am expecting about 20 vehicles. This trail can handle a big group
problems. The coke ovens area is a bit tight, but we'll fit!
Linda, trip leader
Drk Blue ZJ
<001a01be4665$bbb69960$0200a8c-@98machine> wrote:
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>
> Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
> Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
> here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
>
> Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
>
> Later,
> Jeffrey
> "...it's all fun and games until
> someone loses an eye......"
> Jeepin' in AZ - http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
>
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412 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Tomorrow's Run
I hate to do this, but I've got a sick kid at home and I'm going to have to
bow out of tomorrow's run. It was already questionable after my other son
broke his arm playing football last weekend. Oh, the life of a parent. ;-)
My kids keep me hopping, but I wouldn't trade them for anything. Anyway, just
wanted to let you know not to be looking for me tomorrow. Have fun, and take
lots of pictures. Should be the largest group of jeeps so far. Wish I could
be there.
Dan McFarlane
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413 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 1:27pm
Subject: Must bow out
Can't make tomorrow's run! Very disappointed - the new tires are going to miss
the event too!
But, i'm sure everyone will appreciate me not getting them sick!
Melinda
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414 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 7:45pm
Subject: Re: Battle Axe Run.
Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Just curious. How many people that read this tonight are going on the
> Battle Axe run tomorrow? There are at least two Jeeps, probably three from
> here in Tucson that are heading up for tomorrow's ride.
>
> Still meeting at 8:30 at the Texaco, right?
>
> Later,
> Jeffrey
I'll be there, and may bring a friend w/a CJ.
DougB
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415 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 10:17pm
Subject: Sat.
I'll be there.
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416 From: Cindy K Langdon <cindy.langdon@j...>
Date: Fri Jan 22, 1999 3:05pm
Subject: Sat run
Hey all!
Sorry but Yucca-man and family won't be able to make the trip tomorrow!
We have a few small problems with the Cherokee that should be looked at
before we break anything! Y'all have fun now! See you for the next
trip!
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417 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 6:57am
Subject: Coke Ovens Run
We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
accessories.
As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
potentials for future runs.
During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
time of year, but that's part of the fun.
Wadda ya think??
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418 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:49am
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I thought they would be.
I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted and Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@p...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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419 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:50am
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I thought they would be.
I didn't expect the National Guard on the road. My tailgunners, Ted and Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@p...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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420 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 4:28am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
In a message dated 1/24/99 8:49:54 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
minihummer@worldnet.att.net writes:
> I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted
and
> Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on
the
> part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
>
> Linda
> 93 ZJ Ltd
OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a "Sammy"?
Dan McFarlane
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From: minihummer@w...
To: az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 15:49:38 -0000
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens Run
I didn't expect such a large group! Most trips have 5-12 vehicles so don't let
this one instance scare anyone away from organized trail rides. I glad things
went as smoothly as they did. Those rocky ledges weren't half the problem I
thought they would be.
I didn't expect the dues-and-a-halfs on the road out. My tailgunners, Ted and
Loran in the Sammy were almost run down by one of them. Quick thinking on the
part of both drivers; however, kept the situation from turning ugly!
Linda
93 ZJ Ltd
<36ab34ca.674-@prodigy.net> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=417
> We had over 40 vehicles for this one...WHEW. Linda did a great job
> leading the group....which at times appeared like one big traffic
> jam...but I think everyone had a good time, and the trail was well
> suited for a large group. Coke Ovens were very interesting, and the
> weather was great, as was the scenery. The only casualty was Nick's rear
> tire, which decided to go flat. Luckily, some one had a repair kit
> handy, and it held air for the rest of the trip. A good tire repair kit
> is a smart thing to pack on runs...I'm gonna add it to my list of trail
> accessories.
>
> As I understand it, we had about 4 different clubs represented, and a
> fifth (from Payson) that came along later w/ about 12 additional
> vehicles, so actually, I guess there were over 50 vehicles.
>
> After the Coke Ovens, Dan, Ed, Nick and myself(Doug) peeled off from
> the group and did some exploring on some side trails. Found some
> potentials for future runs.
>
> During this side trip, we talked about needing a camping fix. Anyone
> interested?? We could combine a trail run w/ an overnight...Cherry Creek
> into the Sierra Anchas is one suggestion. Will be cool up there this
> time of year, but that's part of the fun.
>
> Wadda ya think??
>
> Doug
>
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421 From: Jeffrey <jeffrey@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 11:59am
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
A dues and a half is one of those big military cargo trucks, the ones with
like 6 wheels the size of small tractor tires. A Sammy is a Suzuki Samuri.
Regards,
Jeffrey
"...it's all fun and games until
someone loses an eye......"
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>
>OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a "Sammy"?
>
>Dan McFarlane
>97TJ
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422 From: <MZabritski@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 7:23am
Subject: Sorry to have missed it
I'm sorry to have missed the outing. Hope to make the next one, have to get
over a highly contagious bug first (everyone i'm sure is gratefull i skipped
this one)
Very game for an overnighter - my poor tent thinks I've forgotten it exists.
Melinda
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423 From: <CoyotEddie@a...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 10:01am
Subject: Coke Oven History
Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard they
were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
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424 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 3:32pm
Subject: Re: Coke Oven History
CoyotEddie@a... wrote:
>
> Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard they
> were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
>
>
As I recall, there is some debate as to what they were built for. Some
say to produce coke, some say to make charcoal. My guess is
charcoal...but it's just a guess. They look just like charcoal kilns
I've seen in Ohio, and coke is made from coal...of which there is none
any where near the Gila. Also, the production of coke requires very high
temperatures, and I wonder if these could withstand that kind of heat.
I'd also be curious if there is more info out there on them.
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425 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 4:44pm
Subject: Re: Coke Oven History
At 04:32 PM 1/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>CoyotEddie@a... wrote:
>>
>> Can anyone post any info about the history of the coke ovens ? I heard
they
>> were almost a B & B once. Let's here your input
>>
>>
>
>As I recall, there is some debate as to what they were built for. Some
>say to produce coke, some say to make charcoal. My guess is
>charcoal...but it's just a guess. They look just like charcoal kilns
>I've seen in Ohio, and coke is made from coal...of which there is none
>any where near the Gila. Also, the production of coke requires very high
>temperatures, and I wonder if these could withstand that kind of heat.
>
>I'd also be curious if there is more info out there on them.
>
Probably either coke or charcoal could be used to power
the smelters back then.
>Doug
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426 From: nnote <nnote@n...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 9:27pm
Subject: Sat. etc
Can anyone send me the email addresses of the other clubs? There was a guy, Green truck, Red Sweater that I needed to finish a conversation with him about a relative. Didn't get his name or where he was from though.
I think I will find me a tire patch kit somewhere also, thinking about how secure some extended brake lines would make me feel to! :)
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427 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Sun Jan 24, 1999 10:49pm
Subject: Re: road rage survey featuring SUVs
At 06:11 PM 1/20/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Thought you might enjoy checking this one out. It is an internet survey
>being taken on road rage by Leon James, a professor of traffic
>psychology at U of Hawii-Manoa. According to James, drivers of SUVs
>tend to be more aggressive -- quicker to tailgate, speed or change lanes
>without signalling. I don't know about you, but my ZJ would be too
>easily recongnized for me to get away with doing things like that so I
>do the speed limit, use my signals, and try not to do anything really
>stupid!
>
We are no better or worse than any other drivers. It's just that,
with our four inch suspension lifts, two inch body lifts, heavy duty lifting
shackles, double front shocks, heavy duty winch kits, monster tires,
camoflauge paint jobs, and light bars on top, we just LOOK a bit more
bad-***. =)
Tony
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428 From: Jeff Hershauer <jhershau@S...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 7:44pm
Subject: Re: Coke Ovens Run
Well, I had a lot of fun on my first trip. I met several other
first-timers, including Eric and family in their red XJ, and a couple of
guys from Luke AFB in their red and white YJs (If you read this, I can't
remember your names. I'm the guy in the Desert Sand TJ). I also met a
couple of people from the Dust (Dirt?) Devils club. I did get a chance to
meet Linda, and I talked to Doug B. just long enough to grill him about his
TJ upgrades. Hopefully I didn't irritate him too much.
My hats off to Linda for leading such a large group. I was suprised at how
smoothly it went given the number of vehicles. I look forward to a run with
just VJCers (or at least a lot less vehicles) so that some of us newcomers
have a better opportunity to become aquainted with the regulars from this
group.
Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your Jeep
is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
Later,
Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
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429 From: James A Langdon <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 0:41pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
"Deuce-and-a-half" is what they called the older ones, since the capacity
was two and a half tons. The newer 5-tons I drove in Saudi and stateside
have a 5-ton off-road capacity, or can tow 10-tons. They can carry
10-tons on-road. Glad to hear you guys missed them. I saw one incident
of a 5-ton backing over a Dodge Colt, and it wasn't a pretty sight.
Jim
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999 12:59:32 -0700 "Jeffrey" <jeffrey@a...>
writes:
>A dues and a half is one of those big military cargo trucks, the ones
>with
>like 6 wheels the size of small tractor tires. A Sammy is a Suzuki
>Samuri.
>
>Regards,
> Jeffrey
>"...it's all fun and games until
> someone loses an eye......"
>Jeepin' in AZ - http://www.azstarnet.com/~jeffrey
Yeah, after someone loses an eye, it's just fun...
Jim
>
>
>
>>
>>OK, I've gotta ask: What's a "dues-and-a-half", and what's a
>"Sammy"?
>>
>>Dan McFarlane
>>97TJ
>
>
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430 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Mon Jan 25, 1999 10:56pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
In a message dated 1/25/99 8:46:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
jhershau@SalesLogix.com writes:
> Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
> past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
> inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
> vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
> gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your
Jeep
> is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
>
> Later,
> Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
Yep, I did almost exactly the same thing a couple of years back with a group
on a Crown King run. I think it became a "true Jeep" that day. Looking
forward to meeting you and some of the other new members on one of the next
trips. I'm one of the folks who had to cancel just before Saturday's run,
otherwise it would have been an even LARGER group. Sounds like everyone had
fun, though. Later.
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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From: Jeff Hershauer jhershau@S...
To: "'az_vjc@egroups.com'" az_vjc@egroups.com
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1999 20:44:31 -0700
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Coke Ovens Run
Well, I had a lot of fun on my first trip. I met several other
first-timers, including Eric and family in their red XJ, and a couple of
guys from Luke AFB in their red and white YJs (If you read this, I can't
remember your names. I'm the guy in the Desert Sand TJ). I also met a
couple of people from the Dust (Dirt?) Devils club. I did get a chance to
meet Linda, and I talked to Doug B. just long enough to grill him about his
TJ upgrades. Hopefully I didn't irritate him too much.
My hats off to Linda for leading such a large group. I was suprised at how
smoothly it went given the number of vehicles. I look forward to a run with
just VJCers (or at least a lot less vehicles) so that some of us newcomers
have a better opportunity to become aquainted with the regulars from this
group.
Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your Jeep
is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
Later,
Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
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431 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:04pm
Subject: Re: Fwd: Coke Ovens Run
Gee! All I did was roll up the windows and set the A/C to 70-deg! ;)
The dust was almost as thick as pea soup. If I had known the Natl Guard was
going to be out there we would have headed towards US60 instead!
Linda
<aca97915.36adad7-@a...> wrote:
Original Article: http://www.egroups.com/list/az_vjc/?start=430
> In a message dated 1/25/99 8:46:44 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> jhershau@S... writes:
>
> > Finally, I have a tip for those of you who have new Jeeps and want to get
> > past that urge to baby it because it looks and smells so new and clean
> > inside. Just go on a run to the Coke Ovens on a dry day with 40 other
> > vehicles, then leave your top down as you return to the highway via the
> > gunnery range, driving right in the middle of the convoy. Presto, your
> Jeep
> > is "broken in" like a well-oiled baseball glove.
> >
> > Later,
> > Jeff H. ('99 TJ)
>
> Yep, I did almost exactly the same thing a couple of years back with a group
> on a Crown King run. I think it became a "true Jeep" that day. Looking
> forward to meeting you and some of the other new members on one of the next
> trips. I'm one of the folks who had to cancel just before Saturday's run,
> otherwise it would have been an even LARGER group. Sounds like everyone had
> fun, though. Later.
>
> Dan McFarlane
> 97TJ
>
>
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432 From: <minihummer@w...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:07pm
Subject: Date problem
How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
Linda
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433 From: DougB <daballard@p...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 7:51pm
Subject: Re: Date problem
minihummer@w... wrote:
>
> How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
>
> Linda
>
Y2K?? :)
Doug
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434 From: Anthony R. Nemmer <edelsys@s...>
Date: Tue Jan 26, 1999 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Date problem
At 03:07 AM 1/27/99 -0000, you wrote:
>How in the heck did I manage to post an email with the date 12/31/69?
>
Flashback? =)
>Linda
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435 From: <jeepcj8@p...>
Date: Thu Jan 28, 1999 8:22pm
Subject: Hello from New Member
Hi everyone, I am currently working on my Scrambler (not running yet)
and I have signed up for the All 4 Fun in Fairplay, CO this summer. I am
hoping my Jeep will be finished by then. Have installed the 304 & 999
transmission, am currently fighting the fuel tank to install the Holley
Pro Jection. Have a Ford 9" and Dana 44 standing by to be narrowed.
One thread at a time....
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436 From: ken unterriner <jeep108@h...>
Date: Fri Jan 29, 1999 2:56pm
Subject: New Member
Hi,
I just joined and I am looking forward to going on one of your runs in
the future.
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437 From: <RDMcF@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 30, 1999 1:55am
Subject: Re: New Member
In a message dated 1/30/99 12:03:59 AM US Mountain Standard Time,
jeep108@h... writes:
> Hi,
> I just joined and I am looking forward to going on one of your runs in
> the future.
>
Welcome Ken! What part of town do you live in, and what are you driving? Ya
know, it seems like this group has grown so large that we should almost be
able to have a run going every weekend. How many people are currently in the
group Dan/Doug?
Dan McFarlane
97TJ
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438 From: <TLCU72096@a...>
Date: Sat Jan 30, 1999 3:25am
Subject: Off subject - seeking input...
<A HREF="http://www3.mcps.k12.md.us/users/rsfay/magic/index.html">Click here:
Welcome to my Cave!!!</A>
I received this link, and i tried it. Can anyone figure out how this trick
works? It seems to get it right everytime I try it. Any input would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Larry & Tammy Curell
94 YJ - Tranny is getting repaired.
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