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RokNRich
04-22-2007, 07:24 PM
Eight of us ran Willow Springs today. Fine day for Sunday drive through one of the more scenic canyons in the valley. The usual suspects:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02388.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02389.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02391.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02393.jpg

The notch:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02395.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02401.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02407.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02411.jpg

RokNRich
04-22-2007, 07:27 PM
This was fun:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02419.jpg

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02422.jpg

Popped bead:

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02427.jpg

Couple shot ;)
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02431.jpg

Someone has to take a picture of this BA Rig

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02435.jpg

Poser
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02436.jpg
didn't get a shot of the extraction

Ahhhh
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02438.jpg

Thanks for the good times today,
Rich

azcharlie
04-22-2007, 08:06 PM
Looks like Kenny was having fun. Great pic's. I can't wait for next weekend.

azcharlie
04-22-2007, 08:07 PM
:o

desertdawg
04-22-2007, 08:32 PM
Here's some from my camera.

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10514&stc=1&d=1177298780
Rich going through an optional line
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10515&stc=1&d=1177298780
Kenny taking advantage of a Photo Op.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10516&stc=1&d=1177298780
Whoops!
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10517&stc=1&d=1177299070
Nice paint job on the Hood!
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10518&stc=1&d=1177298780
Now we know the reason why his plate is positioned that way.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10519&stc=1&d=1177298780
John testing his new tires.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10520&stc=1&d=1177298780
Popped bead in a bad spot. Can you say Flaming MTR's!
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10521&stc=1&d=1177298780
Matt's showing off
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10522&stc=1&d=1177298780
Got him into a little bind!
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10523&stc=1&d=1177298780

desertdawg
04-22-2007, 08:42 PM
Tom had to pull Matt out of this little bind.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10524&stc=1&d=1177299632
Tom getting a little air.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10525&stc=1&d=1177299632
It seemed everything went to hell. Chris broke a driveshaft, then Matt's starter quit. I had to pull Matt through the boulder garden and he popped a bead in the process. After getting him through the garden we were about to abandon it and come back with a new starter. Matt pulled the starter and found that it was bound up. He put it back on and it started right up.
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10526&stc=1&d=1177300045

Everybody made it out okay. Great day! Perfect weather. Thanks guys!:)

DesertRat
04-22-2007, 09:14 PM
Nice pics!
Looks like you all had some fun.

Mike, I think Willow just hates your tires :rolleyes:

k7mto
04-22-2007, 09:26 PM
Great pics, guys. My wife heard me laughing while reading your commentary asked me what was so funny :D

Thanks to all you guys for the assist after the starter quit. I'm glad it was a simple fix once I pulled it. Beer is on me next time!

Tom Jacobson
04-23-2007, 07:53 AM
Awesome trip, you guys! Had a great time on what is one of my favorite trails. Only trouble leading is that nobody catches you on film!

Am real glad the starter removal/install worked...I was getting mentally prepped for a long night!

Unless I can sneak out for something this coming Sunday, I'm gonna be out until mid-late May. Who knows, maybe it'll be night-run time by then! ;-) Never done Willow at night - coud be a real fun run!

Thanks again for puttingthis together, John.

Tom

LKD TJ
04-23-2007, 08:27 AM
Looks like a great run, how long were you out there and how far back did you make it? I really need to get my pile back out there and enjoy some runs with you and go all the way through the big boulder garden. I should be done 2nd weekend in May, anyone want to do another WS run?

Lifes A Jeep
04-23-2007, 08:47 AM
Looks like a great run, how long were you out there and how far back did you make it? I really need to get my pile back out there and enjoy some runs with you and go all the way through the big boulder garden. I should be done 2nd weekend in May, anyone want to do another WS run?

We were out there pretty much all day. We took our time working our way to the boulder garden playing on all the obstacles and enjoying the day. Right before we hit the garden, Juston busted his front drive shaft in two. That's also the spot Matt starter died. While the crew helped Matt, Kenny and I started helping Juston out. We were dreading some of the obstacles but thankfully Juston just bought a winch and did some great drving. We were out in no time. And not long after, we heard the rest of the crew making their way back. So things worked out really well and it was an awesome day!

I'm gonna post some pics later on today. I have some good ones. :D I look forward to running this trail again. I was really impressed with my Creepy Crawlers. I just love those tires!

k7mto
04-23-2007, 08:57 AM
fwiw, my starter didn't die, I killed it :)

I'd parked halfway up a small ledge. When I went to start the CJ it wouldn't fire, so I used the starter to help it creep up to a level spot. This worked for about a foot, then it stopped cranking altogether and the solenoid just clicked.

As it turned out, the starter gear sort of wedged itself with the flywheel and wouldn't disengage. After removing both bellhousing bolts the starter still wouldn't budge and took some encouragement to come loose. Once out, the gear spring released and it was fine. Just had to bolt it back in. The gear teeth are a bit munged now, so I'll pick up a new starter.

ademster
04-23-2007, 09:15 AM
fwiw, my starter didn't die, I killed it :)

I'd parked halfway up a small ledge. When I went to start the CJ it wouldn't fire, so I used the starter to help it creep up to a level spot. This worked for about a foot, then it stopped cranking altogether and the solenoid just clicked.

As it turned out, the starter gear sort of wedged itself with the flywheel and wouldn't disengage. After removing both bellhousing bolts the starter still wouldn't budge and took some encouragement to come loose. Once out, the gear spring released and it was fine. Just had to bolt it back in. The gear teeth are a bit munged now, so I'll pick up a new starter.


I have a starter that you can have.

k7mto
04-23-2007, 09:28 AM
I have a starter that you can have.

Thanks, Adam, but it's a long drive to Flag and I'd just as soon put a new one on.

jeep4offrd
04-23-2007, 10:18 AM
I miss you guys. :(

k7mto
04-23-2007, 10:27 AM
I miss you guys. :(

So get your butt down here for a week before it gets too hot!
We're still talking about a Willow camping trip...

Dan Sherman
04-23-2007, 11:05 AM
Yea, Bruce, what Matt said !!!!!!!! Miss ya too, Bud.

Dan

Lifes A Jeep
04-23-2007, 11:27 AM
More Pics from the day...

We stopped at this obstacle and chose which line to take.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0560.jpg

Here's where Kenny got sideways. We secured a winch to the front of him which helped get him through.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/DSC07387.jpg

Here's me breaking in my new Creepy's
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0567.jpg

Me again clearing the area
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0571.jpg

Here's where Mike lost his bead
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0578.jpg

Me getting close to the boulder garden.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0586.jpg

Here's where Juston broke his Drive shaft in two. You can see Kenny holding one half of it.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0591.jpg

From there, Kenny and I helped Juston out while everyone else helped Matt.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0594.jpg

After we got clear, Kenny and I walked back as the other's finished off the trail.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/DSC07408.jpg

Here's Tom on the tricky ledge.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/DSC07412.jpg

joedokes28
04-23-2007, 01:23 PM
Nice pics and looks like everyone had a good time.

TBob
04-23-2007, 02:49 PM
Nice pics - looks like I missed a good one :(

Crawldad
04-23-2007, 03:54 PM
Talked to a friend today who rode his bike to Canyon lake and back. He said some built Jeeps with no fenders were coming out of a trail up there on his way back. I wondered who it might be. Now I know. Looks like all had a good time. I'll have my Jeep trail ready this week. The question is for how long?

Lifes A Jeep
04-23-2007, 04:13 PM
Talked to a friend today who rode his bike to Canyon lake and back. He said some built Jeeps with no fenders were coming out of a trail up there on his way back. I wondered who it might be. Now I know.

Awesome! That was Kenny, Juston and I. We were the last to leave. Juston and Kenny pulled out first and I pulled up and there was a single bike coming down the road. I waved him by and pulled out behind him. I felt bad that he got stuck in the middle of us but we moved pretty good and pulled off on Brown and he continued straight. That's cool that was your buddy. I'll be in touch about this coming weekend. Glad you got your rig together JD. :cool:

UNSTUCK
04-23-2007, 04:15 PM
Here's Tom on the tricky ledge.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/DSC07412.jpg[/QUOTE]

So how many more rain falls before that "tricky ledge" is impassable? Can't be to much longer. I guess you could build a rock ramp or something, otherwise you'll have to move down towards the right and winch out.

k7mto
04-23-2007, 04:22 PM
So how many more rain falls before that "tricky ledge" is impassable? Can't be to much longer. I guess you could build a rock ramp or something, otherwise you'll have to move down towards the right and winch out.


Used to be toward the right (closer to the camera) was the normal line down and back up, but so much sand is washed out now it's a bit too far a drop with a nice undercut.

If more sand is lost and the current line gets too nasty it may take backing in and winching down the rock face on the way in too :D Then again, it may only be impassable for our rigs but a nice ledge for buggies and become a buggy only trail :o

We had a discussion on "grain stacking" as we wondered if a work party to shovel some sand back in would be acceptable or not. Of course the next big rain would just wash it all back out.

mingoglia
04-23-2007, 04:32 PM
Here's Tom on the tricky ledge.
http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/DSC07412.jpg

So how many more rain falls before that "tricky ledge" is impassable? Can't be to much longer. I guess you could build a rock ramp or something, otherwise you'll have to move down towards the right and winch out.[/QUOTE]

So how was it initially going down this tricky ledge? Was there some pucker factor there? :) From the sounds of it did your group stay far to the right (going down)?

Tom Jacobson
04-23-2007, 05:05 PM
It's way worse "now" than it used to be a couple years ago. The old "normal" line that Matt referred to is indeed to the pass side of the (my) jeep in the pic above. It used to be a no brainer, cake walk...just drive right down. But the bottom was at least 2ft higher than it is now/recently.

The line I am taking up the ledge in the picture is the same line you take going down. And if you look closely, there are already rock-ramps forming. It takes me at least one 3pt turn to go over the ledge (either up or down)...but with a locked front and some current no-like-to-turn-left-that-good issues, I don't have a choice. Several in the group made it down in one shot...kind of getting a bit of a natural "front dig"/pivot from the rocks. But I think I can only recall 1 or 2 that have made it up in one shot.

I know the "old line" is crawlable (up) in a buggy. I haven't seen anyone try to go down it yet...but don't mean it hasn't been done!

Tom

UNSTUCK
04-23-2007, 06:32 PM
I think you have to do a 3 pt turn or so. If not you get pretty close to the ledge as you climb the wall with the driver side (going up) and you get way off camber. If you roll, it's a long fall off the ledge to the bottom of the wash.

Matt, not sure if you could back up to it and winch down. That under cut is pretty deep. I think your rollcage/spare tire would hit the wash first leaving you sitting vertical on that ledge. Then if you did get down, how would you get back up?

Be sure to invite me if you try it to I can watch and learn!!!

desertdawg
04-23-2007, 06:42 PM
I think you have to do a 3 pt turn or so. If not you get pretty close to the ledge as you climb the wall with the driver side (going up) and you get way off camber. If you roll, it's a long fall off the ledge to the bottom of the wash.

Matt, not sure if you could back up to it and winch down. That under cut is pretty deep. I think your rollcage/spare tire would hit the wash first leaving you sitting vertical on that ledge. Then if you did get down, how would you get back up?

Be sure to invite me if you try it to I can watch and learn!!!

You mean like this?
http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=10547&stc=1&d=1177379335

UNSTUCK
04-23-2007, 06:58 PM
That right! I remember that someone had flopped there. Did you climb the wall to high, or did you slip off the ledge?

desertdawg
04-23-2007, 07:10 PM
That's SpecialK, he climbed the wall too high. Of course I was spotting him at the time.:o

k7mto
04-23-2007, 07:22 PM
Matt, not sure if you could back up to it and winch down. That under cut is pretty deep. I think your rollcage/spare tire would hit the wash first leaving you sitting vertical on that ledge. Then if you did get down, how would you get back up?

True, especially being as short as my CJ is. And in my case (no rear bumper/spare carrier), I'd end up sitting on the rear of the body where the tailgate was. I suppose we could drill and insert an eye-bolt/winch point into the wall :rolleyes:

mingoglia
04-23-2007, 07:48 PM
I suppose we could drill and insert an eye-bolt/winch point into the wall :rolleyes:

Yeah, really. I spent a lot of time scouting some potential winching points while up there and it's a bit scarce. When Bryan bent his front bumper in on that obstacle we had to free it before he could move. I used his winch line, my winch line extension, two recovery straps, 1 tree strap, and a snatch block to get it all hooked up (we ended up just cutting it with a hacksaw after that was all said and done).

Mike

Lifes A Jeep
04-23-2007, 09:02 PM
This was an awesome run and there are a ton of outstanding pictures so I figured I'd make a new webshots album. I combined pics from FOUR different people! This took some work and some time. I think they are all organized in the right order. Oh, I also wrote descriptions. Yeah, I know...too much time on my hands.:cool:

Anyways, here's a link to my webshots page.
http://community.webshots.com/user/lifesajeep

I also have video. That will be another night.:)

jeff krause
04-25-2007, 09:39 AM
Go a little high side in the notch ????? in a couple of shots...

xFallen
04-25-2007, 03:00 PM
John,

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l59/Lifesajeep/Willow_Springs/IMG_0560.jpg

I only saw one picture of one rig going through the middle. Just curious how many went through that way each direction. Up the middle is the fun way.


Barry

Lifes A Jeep
04-25-2007, 03:07 PM
John,

I only saw one picture of one rig going through the middle. Just curious how many went through that way each direction. Up the middle is the fun way.


Rich was the one in the picture that took the middle line. I'm not sure about Tom & Matt because they were first and I was too far back to see. Most of us took the right line (looking at the picture above). I've gone middle before and agree...very fun line.:D I wanted to try the right this time because I haven't before.

This trail really is a jem! There are so many lines to choose from and can be as hard as you make it. You can also run it numerous times and it is never the same.

k7mto
04-25-2007, 03:40 PM
On the way in, Tom ran the middle while I ran the left side (right in that picture) at the same time. I didn't feel like waiting for Tom to finish ;) Mike (desertdawg) and Rich also ran the middle. Unsure if any others did. We would have had pics of Mike in the middle if Rich knew how to work a camera :rolleyes:

Tom in the middle notch...

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n275/roknrich/DSC02395.jpg

I don't think anyone ran the middle on the way out as it was late and we'd had enough problems already.

Tom Jacobson
04-25-2007, 04:19 PM
Hey Barry!

Yeah, Matt got the pic of me in the center notch. I started into it the same way I ran it the time you were with us...pass side higher and dropping in the driver. I NAILED my rocker guard that last time, and took a quick reminder from someone (Rich?) that I had to go high(er) on the driver side like you and Marty ended up doing.

On the way out, we were beat and ready to get back to the start, so took the easy way around that spot.

k7mto
04-25-2007, 04:28 PM
Yeah, Rich got the pic of me in the center notch.

Fixed it for ya :) (see 5th pic in Rich's first post of this thread)

desertdawg
04-25-2007, 04:35 PM
On the way in, Tom ran the middle while I ran the left side (right in that picture) at the same time. I didn't feel like waiting for Tom to finish ;) Mike (desertdawg) and Rich also ran the middle. Unsure if any others did. We would have had pics of Mike in the middle if Rich knew how to work a camera :rolleyes:

Yeah tell me about it.:rolleyes: :D

RokNRich
04-25-2007, 07:58 PM
Yup, I blew the pic's of Mike going through, I should have just hung onto my camera, I know how to operate it :(

Sorry